1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Twenty away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: International Realty, a name you can trust locally and globally. 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: On the Huddle of Us this evening, Ali Jones read 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: PR Morris Williams and Auckland Councilor for the National Party Minister. 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 3: Hell are you too, hiever? Ali? Are you okay with that? 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 4: Well? Not? 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 5: I don't agree with Alex Pink. I think AX changes 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 5: as I understand them, won't make anyone do anything they 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 5: can't really do. 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 3: Now. 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 5: I mean, I do understand that point that you were making. 12 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 5: I think was very valid that that six months could 13 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 5: be six months of a horrendous, revolting time for people, 14 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 5: you know, suffering a terminal illness. Of course, you can't 15 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 5: always be one hundred percent right that someone has a 16 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 5: terminal illness, but I haven't seen the stats. I think 17 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 5: they've probably pretty much on the money these days when 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 5: they say someone's got a terminal illness. And I think 19 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 5: to your point too, people should be able to make 20 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 5: that choice. I don't see any problems with this, and 21 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 5: I support from what I can see AX changes. 22 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 4: Marris, Yeah, totally support, But I'm at the very end 23 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 4: of this debate. I've just had one hundred and one 24 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 4: year old mum die and for most of that years, 25 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 4: right up until three or four months before the end, 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 4: perfectly in great condition, totally in control. But in the 27 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 4: last three months and such pain and agony at work 28 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 4: at hospital and pleading with me to find a way 29 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 4: she could move on. I've seen people when I was 30 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 4: in the Health ministry of a number of people who 31 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: had completely lost who they were, where they were, and 32 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 4: what they were. And I promise you can put on 33 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 4: the show and keep the record if I'm ever in 34 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: that state, and sometimes a counsel I feel like I am, 35 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 4: I'd rather shuffle off the planet really quickly. 36 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 3: Right if they put you down, Morris will use. 37 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 4: This good defense, they'd be as a reference. I'm okay 38 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 4: with it. I just think it's the perfect way to go. 39 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 4: I think that's a big debate between those with very 40 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 4: strict religious beliefs and those of us that are more 41 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 4: sort of I don't know, not that fussed about all 42 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 4: the religious stuff anymore. 43 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: Well, I think even some people who are fuss about 44 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: religious stuff are not really that stressed out about this. 45 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: And you know, as it should be, because you're going to 46 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: go meet your maker, which is what you want the 47 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: whole time, isn't it Allie? 48 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: The infrastructure plan. 49 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: You looked at this, you saw how much money had 50 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: to be spent, You saw how little we are spending 51 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: in the right places, and your first reaction was what, Well. 52 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 5: My first reaction was, ah, who Look, I don't know 53 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 5: whether this infrastructure plan is what we need. I obviously 54 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 5: haven't read the whole thing framework to deliver infrastructure for 55 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 5: New Zealand over the next thirty years. But I think 56 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 5: we need to know two things. Seriously, why are we 57 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 5: so inefficient? I mean, we're spending you know, five point 58 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 5: eight percent of GDP, We're up there, but our inefficiency 59 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 5: is you know, we're right down the bottom. So I 60 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 5: think we need to find out why we are so inefficient. 61 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 5: That actually is more important to me than signing off 62 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 5: some of the stuff in this report. And I think 63 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 5: the other thing we need when we hear stuff like 64 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 5: we need more hospitals, yeah, of course we do, and 65 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 5: we have to invest in our health system. But I 66 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 5: think we have to look at the health system holistically. 67 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 5: If we actually address some of the issues with primary health, 68 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 5: that will stop people having to go into hospital. To me, 69 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 5: this just seems like a kind of a let's throw 70 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 5: something at a wall and see how it sticks and 71 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 5: goes along with what most people want. It doesn't steal 72 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 5: right to me. It doesn't feel robust. 73 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: Maurice. 74 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 4: Well, you do all the planning in the world, but 75 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 4: it's delivery that matters. I mean, labor had this big 76 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 4: plan to build a cycle way across the wide amount 77 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 4: of Harbor, and they were going to put a light 78 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 4: rail down Dominion Road and all sorts of None of 79 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 4: it happened. The problem has too. We've got two serious 80 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 4: issues with New so And first of all, we're not 81 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: the wealthy country we would like to think we are, 82 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: so we can't afford some of the standards of infrastructure. 83 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 4: I just spent the Christmas break in Dubai. They're going 84 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 4: to be building thirty kilometers of rail in the next 85 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 4: three years. We couldn't build three kilometers of rail in 86 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 4: six or nine years and we still haven't got it open. 87 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 4: So I think Ali's right the inefficiency of our delivery. 88 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: You know, we're going to build the International Convention Center 89 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 4: and happened open in twenty twenty one. It's only just opened, 90 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 4: and there is a plethora of examples where the budget 91 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 4: has been more than twice or three times and the 92 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 4: delivery has been three or four times what was supposed 93 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 4: to be, And so we're not a wealthy country. And 94 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 4: the thing that really got to me was Treasury's forecast 95 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 4: that if we carry on just as we are, this 96 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: is not spending more, the debt at GDP RATIOW will 97 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 4: be two hundred percent to GDP by twenty sixty five. 98 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: That's only a generation from now, two hundred and thirty 99 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 4: seven thousand dollar debt for every person in the country. 100 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, massive, isn't it. 101 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: You're right, we just aren't healthy. 102 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're totally right, not wealthy enough, all of the stuff. Okay, 103 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: take me break, come back shortly. 104 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international real team, the 105 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: only truly global brand. 106 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: You're back with the huddle, Morris Williamson and Allie Jones. 107 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: Morris, you see those interesting stats about how many babies 108 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: are now not being born to mums who are under 109 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: twenty five. 110 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 4: I did, and I think that they missed the real 111 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 4: big point here. Those stats suggest that the number of 112 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 4: births were about the same two generations ago. In nineteen 113 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 4: sixty five as they are today. But I've got some 114 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 4: numbers I just did before we come on the program. 115 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 4: The female population in New Zealand back in ninety sixty 116 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 4: five was one point three. Now it's two point seven. 117 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 4: So the female population of New Zealand has more than 118 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 4: doubled in that time. But we've had about the same 119 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 4: number of births. And then when you look at the 120 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 4: number of twenty five year olds, it was about two 121 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 4: point one percent of the female population and now it's 122 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 4: point three. What that just suggests is that you know, 123 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 4: in the old day, see I'm old enough to remember 124 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 4: all this in ninety sixty five, but you used to 125 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 4: get married, get pregnant, and then have a baby. Every 126 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 4: now and then it was get pregnant and get married 127 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 4: and have a baby, but not not the sort of standard. 128 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 4: But now it's anything goes and you can buy the 129 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 4: morning after pill whenever you want it, however you like. 130 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 4: And so the young women of today have got all 131 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 4: sorts of flexibility. And one last thing from ninety sixty five. 132 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 4: You won't believe it, but I promise you can check 133 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 4: it out. The vast bulk of occupations made women have 134 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 4: to quit work if they got married. And I've thought 135 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 4: about it. He was coming next, even the teaching profession, 136 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 4: air hostesses, so no wonder it was my only option 137 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 4: in life is I'll have babies. And now women have 138 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 4: got so many more avenues of full time career. Sometimes 139 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 4: don't want to have children, mostly don't even want to 140 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: bloke around nowadays, and so it's up to them, and 141 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: good on them. But it's a fantastic change happened in 142 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 4: only two generations. 143 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: Yes, that is the remarkable thing, Allie, is how quickly 144 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: it has happened, just in sixty years. 145 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 5: Yeah right, I mean I had mine older. 146 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 6: I was just over thirty one when I had my first, 147 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 6: and I was thirty five when I had my second. 148 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 6: My mother was twenty four, so you know that was 149 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 6: It's incredible. But I think there's more to it than 150 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 6: I do agree with what Morris is saying with you 151 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 6: know the fact that it was very traditional and women 152 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 6: stopped work and you know all these things. 153 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 4: But I think we stopped they had to stop work. 154 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, well exactly. But I think a change 155 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 5: in traditional roles as well. You know, we've got women 156 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 5: out working, men at home. Kids are expensive cost of 157 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 5: living plays a part in this as well, and also 158 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 5: something that our girlfriend and I were talking about the 159 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 5: other day. People having babies older means that grandparents may 160 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 5: not be around to help, you know, as much as 161 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 5: they did in the past, so you don't have that 162 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 5: extra help that you'd normally have, So you might just 163 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 5: settle for one or two instead of three or four. 164 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 5: But yeah, amazing how that's changed in that period of time. 165 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 5: Colord's expensive though, aren't they expensive? 166 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: But you know what I reckon if I could have 167 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: changed things, like if I could have had my cake 168 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: and eaten at too, it would have been that I 169 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: would have had my kids abou about ten years earlier, 170 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: just so that my mum could see more of what 171 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: they get up to, and then I can see more 172 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: of what their kids get up to, don't you think. 173 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 5: No, you're right, And I remember again discussing this with friends. 174 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 5: You know, there were so many advantages to having babies early. 175 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 5: There's never a perfect time financially or whatever, but also 176 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 5: some really good reasons to have it a bit later. 177 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 5: But don't leave it too late. No, I agree with 178 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 5: you too, Heather. 179 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally all right, Now, how do you feel about this? Polyme. 180 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: I can't, Morris, I can't help but feel that the 181 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: poly market. 182 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 6: Year. 183 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: Sure, it's illegal, but Jesus's twenty twenty six and it's 184 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: the Internet. Do we really have to police what people 185 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: are gambling putting their money on. 186 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 4: No. I don't think so, and I don't think you can. 187 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 4: I think in the end there will be virtual private 188 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: network providers and all sorts of people that can put 189 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: you under the radar and allow you to go. You know, 190 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 4: the horse has bolted And I don't want to use 191 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: that expression and gambling, but the horse has bolted with 192 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 4: regards to oh, we can control what our populace does 193 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 4: and sees and his and it was starlink satellites going 194 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 4: above you and putting phenomenal bandwidth down virtual private networks. 195 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 4: We would love to control a whole lot of things. 196 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 4: We would love to stop a whole lot of things. 197 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 4: I don't know whether you saw the news in Iran, 198 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: but the number of people in Iran who are now 199 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 4: getting starlink kits into their properties and being able to 200 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: go back on the Internet. I'm one of these people 201 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 4: who don't think will ever get to control it. 202 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon? Ellie? 203 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think you'll be able to stop it either. 204 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 5: I'm more concerned to hear that you can still gamble 205 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 5: using a VPN, but I can't access TV and Z 206 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 5: or my Netflix account to go to Australia. 207 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: And that's right. We should get them running the old 208 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 3: gambling system. That will sort it out. 209 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 4: Eight. 210 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: Thanks guys, as always. That's Morris Williamson and Ali Jones 211 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: a huddle this evening. 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