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Speaker 1: More questions this morning over the future of our screen sector.

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Speaker 1: New Zella OnAir has dropped nearly three million dollars in

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Speaker 1: taxpayer cash on new seasons of Celebrity Treasure Island and

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Speaker 1: The Traitors comes hot on the heels of a two

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Speaker 1: and a half million dollar bailout for Shortland Street just

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Speaker 1: last week. Dame Julie Christie's a television producer and creative

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Treasure Island with me this morning, Dame Julie, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Is this it's an ungodly hour. I appreciate you being

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Speaker 1: here with me.

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Speaker 2: Should should I am Club? It's called isn't it?

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Speaker 1: That's right?

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Speaker 2: She's a very good book. Actually, there was a good

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Speaker 2: book called the five Am Club which helps with the

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Speaker 2: early mornings.

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Speaker 1: Well, I should have read that a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: Should we taxpayers be putting money into unscripted reality shows?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean one of the side effects of the

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Speaker 2: movement of ed revenue away from traditional TV has been

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Speaker 2: the loss of actually the most popular shows because you know,

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Speaker 2: mostly because of their costs. I mean, for many years

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Speaker 2: drama has almost all New Zealand drama has been ordered

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Speaker 2: by government funding. And these shows actually deliver a big audience,

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Speaker 2: and bigger audience than any drama. We are facing having

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Speaker 2: no entertainment television at all on our screens, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we can't just have British, Australian and American shows. We

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Speaker 2: don't have the we don't have the the the I

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Speaker 2: guess the legislation which demands that you've got to make

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Speaker 2: so much local content in order to have a license

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Speaker 2: in this country to even be a broadcaster. So there

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Speaker 2: is no protectionism. So I think it's inevitable. It's a

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Speaker 2: really good short term decision, but we've got to find

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Speaker 2: a way to make it a hand up, not a handout.

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Speaker 2: So the long term sustainability is a challenge.

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Speaker 1: Really, we're all going on Netflix and watching American stuff

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Speaker 1: or British stuff, foreign stuff. Could you make an argument

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Speaker 1: that that's where we get our entertainment. But we also

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Speaker 1: now have social media. We see key we characters on

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Speaker 1: social media and we follow them and they entertain us,

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Speaker 1: and it's done in a different way perhaps to traditional television.

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Speaker 2: It is, But the great thing about these shows is

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Speaker 2: they are a shared experience. You know, I like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Treasure has been around since nineteen ninety seven, so twenty

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Speaker 2: eight years I think. And one of the other decisions

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Speaker 2: which you probably didn't notice about the latest thing was

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Speaker 2: the return of My House, My Castle, which is you know,

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Speaker 2: I was twenty four years old, it ran for ten years.

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Speaker 2: It was actually TV two's answered to Fair Go on

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Speaker 2: TV one, which we produced way back then. So I

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Speaker 2: think these shows which enable people to sit down together

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Speaker 2: are actually really good for us, I feel. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the question is, you know, it's going to be much

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Speaker 2: harder decision for a New Zellin heir when the block

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Speaker 2: the Bachelor married at first site and those shows say

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Speaker 2: me too, So how do you decide which of these

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Speaker 2: sort of shows to fund? Is going to be a

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Speaker 2: much harder decision than funding this one. Normally New Zealand

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Speaker 2: on here would have what would always cite reflecting our

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Speaker 2: cultural identity as being a criteria for funding. But this

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Speaker 2: time they appear to have made a commercial decision, which

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Speaker 2: is pretty much needed.

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Speaker 1: God that's said, isn't it. But the thing that I

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Speaker 1: saw I saw you sterday that the Traitor is not

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Speaker 1: even one of our formats. It's a foreign one.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, it's not it's not Treasure Onland is

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Speaker 2: original ip I mean, what does an ideal situation look

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Speaker 2: like to me anyway? And it's just my opinion. Is

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Speaker 2: it an ideal situation looks like is that we start

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Speaker 2: developing more New Zealand formats. We haven't had one for

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Speaker 2: many years actually, with exception of Guy Montgomery's unspelling B

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Speaker 2: which I think is now in Australia and New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: we're not developing those formats. So perfection looks like you

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Speaker 2: develop a New Zealand format, you create a hub like

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Speaker 2: a place where it can be made and all different

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Speaker 2: countries come in and make that show here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: therefore providing long term sustainability. We own the IP. There's

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Speaker 2: something of value, you know, that's a that's a that's

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Speaker 2: the what the ideal looks like. So to me, that

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Speaker 2: has to be the next step. If you're going to

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Speaker 2: go down this road, you've got to we've got to

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Speaker 2: look at New Zealand IP, We've got to look at

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Speaker 2: improving the things with things within our own industries. So

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Speaker 2: we're back creating those sort of shows which we used

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Speaker 2: to create a bit.

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Speaker 1: Of DIY don Julie Christie, I appreciate your time this

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