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Speaker 1: Britain Rod little morning, make good morning to you mate.

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Speaker 1: Once net Pole, I read posted debate fifty one forty

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Speaker 1: nine to Rishie was it worth a watch? Would it

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Speaker 1: have changed any of the votes? Or are we all

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Speaker 1: made up our minds?

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Speaker 2: The usual thing to say is that it doesn't change

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Speaker 2: any of the votes. That may be true. That may

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Speaker 2: be true. However that fifty one forty nine ignores the fact.

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Speaker 2: Well it doesn't ignore the fact, but I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you look at that figure, you've got to take into

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Speaker 2: account that Richie Sunac is on twenty three percent in

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Speaker 2: the polls, twenty four percent in the polls, so that

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Speaker 2: is a quite remarkable sort of vote. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: watched the debate because I have a sad, empty life.

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Speaker 2: Five million other people did it, so it did get

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Speaker 2: out there, and Richie Sonac won. I was counting the

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Speaker 2: scores as we went through by about ten to two

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Speaker 2: nine three tend to he won easily and convincingly. And

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Speaker 2: the thing which he won most convincingly on was the

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Speaker 2: fact that if Labour gets in, you are going to

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Speaker 2: pay more for everything. You know, it's going to be taxes,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be fatuous green schemes, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be vat on things you're not paying v eight on

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Speaker 2: at the moment, and so on, and it worked. It worked,

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Speaker 2: And the other way it worked was that the other

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Speaker 2: way in which this debate worked in favor of Richisunac

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Speaker 2: was that Starma has no vision for the country and

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Speaker 2: would not elucidate as to what he was going to

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Speaker 2: do if he got in now. But that was matched

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Speaker 2: by Richisunac equally refusing to concede that the Conservatives hasn't

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Speaker 2: been the ideal party of government for the last ten years.

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Speaker 2: Sure was wrong there, but this notion that Starma couldn't

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Speaker 2: actually say what Labor was going to do on any

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Speaker 2: single issue really resonates with the public. And I think

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Speaker 2: fifty one forty nine, I think that Sunaku won by

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Speaker 2: a mile, and I think that has had some resonance,

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Speaker 2: not enough to reverse the poles, but enough maybe to

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Speaker 2: shove two or three percent.

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Speaker 1: Have we got any seats at all? Because since we

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Speaker 1: last talked, there was the Messi series of poles, these

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Speaker 1: projections where they interviewed teams of thousands of people. I

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Speaker 1: know there's one out this morning that says reforms within

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Speaker 1: a couple of points a you got poll Conservatives nineteen,

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Speaker 1: Reform seventeen. Do we have any sense whether these poles

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Speaker 1: are real or the poles just feed into the poles

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Speaker 1: And when you see the Tories being wiped out into

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Speaker 1: sixty six seats or whatever, it's it's just a thing

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Speaker 1: that becomes a thing in and of itself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a time lack with the poles. And I

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Speaker 2: have to say, if you'd ask me and you did,

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Speaker 2: I think as three a week or so ago, you

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Speaker 2: know what was going to happen in the general election,

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Speaker 2: I would have said it's going to be a lot

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Speaker 2: closer than people suspect, and I wouldn't rule out a

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Speaker 2: hung parliament. I think the advent of Nigel Farage joining

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Speaker 2: the campaign standing for MP being at the forefront of

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Speaker 2: reform has substantially changed that in favor of the Labor Party,

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Speaker 2: because the Reform Party will do great damage now to

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Speaker 2: the Conservatives, especially up here where I am in the

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Speaker 2: Red Wall seats of the northeast of England and indeed

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Speaker 2: the Northwest, they will cause very very great damage. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: whether it's fifteen or sixteen percent, I think that's probably

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Speaker 2: pushing it. When it comes to an actual poll rather

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Speaker 2: than an opinion poll. But you know, you take ten

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Speaker 2: percent off in all of these seats and that's a

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Speaker 2: toury is wiped out. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But here's the interesting thing. And once again we've talked

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Speaker 1: about your first past the post system. So you get

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Speaker 1: your twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen percent whatever it is, and

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Speaker 1: it comes from the Tories. But do you win a

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Speaker 1: seat or do you just play exactly so you play

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Speaker 1: the spoiler Labor get all the seats and you've got

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Speaker 1: nothing to show for it other than you're stuck it

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Speaker 1: up the Tories.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, yeah, except you see, I had a meeting

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Speaker 2: two two weeks ago with the local reform people in

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Speaker 2: the constituency in which I'm standing, and the thing we

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Speaker 2: were talking about was, you know, would they support the

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Speaker 2: SDP when we stand And the thing would shone through

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Speaker 2: from them, and there were three of them, was that

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Speaker 2: they were motivated almost entirely by a hatred for the

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Speaker 2: Conservative Party. You know, it was rancorous. I don't like

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Speaker 2: the Conservative Party very much, but this not really hated them,

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Speaker 2: and I think you're going to see a bit more

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Speaker 2: of that. So the question will come down to for

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Speaker 2: the voters vote reform and get labor reform. Will say, well,

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Speaker 2: so what, it's no worse than having the Conservatives in power.

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Speaker 2: But I think a few conservative voters will think twice.

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Speaker 2: But nonetheless, I think the Toys are in a far

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Speaker 2: worse position now. The Farage, who is a supremely competent

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Speaker 2: and charismatic politician. Whatever you may think of his policies,

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Speaker 2: he is very very adept at tapping in to the

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Speaker 2: concerns and worries of the average, particularly working class voter.

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Speaker 2: That's hugely damaging for the tours. It's pretty damaging for

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Speaker 2: my party, to tell you the truth, and it will

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Speaker 2: have an effect on election day.

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Speaker 1: Good on, you might well catch up on Excuesday. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: it very much. Sky A Sky TV by the way,

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Speaker 1: Rod little Bit, SkyTV have announced her this morning that

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Speaker 1: they're running what it's not quite a third debate. There

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Speaker 1: were two debates, one of which was held ninety big.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming the second ones on BBC. But Sky have

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Speaker 1: announced this morning that this coming Thursday today we in

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Speaker 1: other words, they're going to hebe what they call an

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Speaker 1: in depth interview with Russian Kia and then they're going

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Speaker 1: to put questions to the audience. There's also been announced

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Speaker 1: overnight a deputy leaders sort of get together our headline today,

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Speaker 1: Angela Grangela Rayner, Poundland, Penny Mordant and Nigel Mister Milkshake

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Speaker 1: Farage are going to go head to heads next week

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Speaker 1: as well, so that may or may not be worth

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