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Speaker 1: Pressing the newspakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. Do

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Speaker 2: survivors want the police to start chasing the perpetrators and

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Speaker 2: that abuse and care report? We're going to speak to one.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to go to a Canadian journalist who's

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Speaker 2: actually in Paris for just a bit of a sense

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Speaker 2: of how the Canadians are reacting to the drone cheating.

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Speaker 2: And apparently one in five young people nowadays have hearing

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplessy Ellen look.

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Speaker 2: On first blush. That punishment that New Zealand is asking

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Speaker 2: for in relation to Canada's drone spying may seem a

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Speaker 2: little harsh, was actually not. I actually think this is

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Speaker 2: exactly what needs to happen. The Canadian football team should

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Speaker 2: be forced to forfeit any points that they earn if

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Speaker 2: they win the match against the football Ferns tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 2: which they probably will because they are the defending Olympic

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Speaker 2: champions and our team are ranked twenty eighth in the world.

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Speaker 2: But why I think the needs to happen is to

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Speaker 2: stop them, right or anyone else, but predominantly them from

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Speaker 2: doing this kind of thing again, because as I predicted yesterday,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't a one off. Turns out they spied twice

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Speaker 2: with the drone the occasion that we've found out about,

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Speaker 2: and then also three days before. And let's be honest

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Speaker 2: about it, if they're prepared to do this to a

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Speaker 2: team that's ranked twenty eighth in the world, doesn't take

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Speaker 2: a massive leap of logic to assume they'd be prepared

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Speaker 2: to do it to a team ranked much higher, which

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Speaker 2: actually may pose an actual threat on the field to them.

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Speaker 2: So this is not actually really about punishing them for

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Speaker 2: spying on the football ferns, although there is a tiny

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Speaker 2: element of justice there. It's really about getting them and

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Speaker 2: others to suffer sufficiently to cut out this kind of

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Speaker 2: nonsense because if you do not punish them properly, and

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Speaker 2: giving up points is punishing them properly. If you do

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Speaker 2: not do that, they will just keep doing it because

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Speaker 2: the incentive to to do it remains. Now it's also

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Speaker 2: actually in the best interests of the Olympics and of

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Speaker 2: FIFA to do this, to be seen to be taking

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Speaker 2: a hard line on cheats because for the Olympics, they've

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Speaker 2: got a real problem convincing audiences nowadays that the games

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Speaker 2: are fair when just look the Russians are back. They

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Speaker 2: had an industrial doping effort being run out of the state,

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Speaker 2: but they're back. They're just rocked up under a different flag.

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Speaker 2: Fever has got a massive problem convincing anyone that they're

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Speaker 2: not corrupt. Now the Canadians have been caught red handed

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Speaker 2: here right. The guy running the drone has been given

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Speaker 2: a suspended jail sentence by the French justice system, So

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Speaker 2: there is no question over whether they were cheating. They

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Speaker 2: were cheating. The only question is whether the Olympics and

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Speaker 2: FIFA are going to punish them properly for it.

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Speaker 3: Together do for c Ellen, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: To away in nine two ninety two as the text

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Speaker 2: number standard techs fees apply. Now to politics, the opposition

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Speaker 2: is joining forces to stop what they are calling dangerous

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Speaker 2: changes to the early childhood sector. Labor and the Greens

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Speaker 2: and the Maori Party and also the Union NZDI have

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Speaker 2: have joined together to say they are going to start

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Speaker 2: a tour around the country to hear concerns from the

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Speaker 2: public and teachers. And parents about David Semol's plan to

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Speaker 2: cut what he calls stupid rules in the sector. Anthonity

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Speaker 2: is Labour's education spokesperson, a jan Hi Heather. So, what

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Speaker 2: is dangerous about what David Seymour wants to cut.

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Speaker 4: First of all, regulation is necessary to ensure young children

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Speaker 4: is being carried out in a really short time frame,

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Speaker 4: and we've heard from educators that they are really concerned

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Speaker 4: that their voices are not being heard. They have they've

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Speaker 4: quality of education, and it's really important to hear all

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Speaker 4: to be dangerous. We are going to put our kids

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Speaker 2: What rules are they planning to cut that you think

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Speaker 4: Well, in opposition, David Seymour talked a lot about many

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Speaker 4: And if a teacher is doing that and then that's

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Speaker 4: It's not the only of course, that's just an example,

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that's a good example. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've got a kid who's just coming out of nappies.

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Speaker 2: If the teacher was putting a lot of nappy rash

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Speaker 4: But you would have that conversation with the teacher at

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Speaker 4: the same time. Now, where I've recently been to a

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Speaker 4: they must be fair and they must be proportionate, but

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Speaker 4: children's experiences do need to be at the center of

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Speaker 4: all of that. And she also said she's very disappointed

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Speaker 4: we have to ensure it.

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Speaker 2: Why did Karl die?

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Speaker 4: In some cases it's around that particular case was around

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Speaker 2: Is that a rut?

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Speaker 4: No, that's part of the regulation review that we've got

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Speaker 2: Of the rules that I would like to see cut

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Speaker 2: too right. That place was shut down briefly because it

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Speaker 2: Is that a rule that you want to keep or

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Speaker 4: So, Heather, as I've said before, and I've said this

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Speaker 2: Involved in Here's another one. David Seymour reckons that one

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Speaker 4: Rule if that was the rule? Now, what I am

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Speaker 4: going to say to that particular case and others like

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Speaker 4: it is that sometimes centers interpretations of regulations are the

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Speaker 2: Jan, is it not possible. I mean, so you and

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Speaker 2: I both agree that some rules may need to change, right,

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Speaker 2: are are you guys not maybe putting the horse that

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Speaker 2: it becoming dangerous. We don't even know what he's going

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Speaker 4: No, absolutely not here that. As I said, we're going

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Speaker 5: Voices are heard.

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Speaker 4: This is to add to what we're doing here. It's

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Speaker 4: gets that right, then that's exactly what we will do.

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Speaker 4: Because our kids are far too important. They are little

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Speaker 4: he's a bit flustered at the moment because he put

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Speaker 2: Jan, thank you. Very much. Really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Go Well, that's Jan Tinetti, Labour's education spokesperson. Hither it's

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Speaker 2: for the parents that don't change nappies after daycare. I

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Speaker 2: it looks like the Auckland mayor Wayne Brown's war on

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Speaker 2: she did say, look, I still want everybody to be safe,

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Speaker 2: aren't we. Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New Zealand one giant leap for

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Speaker 1: business used talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be Heather of Tory thinks it's a good idea.

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Speaker 2: That's a worry Allen. No, I thought that as well,

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Speaker 2: But then I thought Tory only half thinks it's a

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Speaker 2: it as a good idea. Nineteen past four Darcy Watergrave

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Speaker 2: Sports Talkhoasters with us. He does, Hello, Heather. So the

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Speaker 2: OLiS have started well for us, haven't they.

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Speaker 7: I like that a positive and uplifting start as opposed

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Speaker 7: to the drone controversy. Well don't Yes, they have two

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Speaker 7: to one over Guinea. Wayne marvelous, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: That's in the football and it was a game.

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Speaker 7: For the Olie Whites that essentially they would have been

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Speaker 7: targeting as a win. They've got it done. Great way

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Speaker 7: to start off, and of course overnight the sevens, the

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Speaker 7: means Sevens got done against Japan and the South Africans early.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, okay, the score didn't scream convincing, but not

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Speaker 7: either Japanese game yeah pretty good. Not convincing, convincing, South

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Speaker 7: that that was overnight. That was great, And of course

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Speaker 7: I can't answer that, but I expect that FIFA will

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Speaker 7: Of course, what it is going to affect is the

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Speaker 2: You were right, I was wrong. It wasn't football who

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Darcy. Darcy will be back with Sports Talk

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Speaker 1: C Allen drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected

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Speaker 3: Z be.

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Speaker 2: Heather is punishment for the football for the Canadian team,

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Speaker 2: She's with us ten past five. Murray Old shortly headlines next.

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 1: Heather Dup to c Allen Drive with One New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Gathered colds the weather.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna go to politics in about ten

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Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure if they're named but the perpetrators

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Speaker 2: it'll be after five o'clock. We seem to have a

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Speaker 2: And apparently what's to blame for this, and this won't

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on news talks. He'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden's made his first Oval Office address since abandoning

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Speaker 9: I review of this office, but I love my country more.

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Speaker 9: It's been the honor of my life to serve as

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Speaker 2: Two ministers in the Ossie federal government have announced they

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Speaker 2: plan to retire at the next election, Indigenous Australians Minister

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Speaker 2: Linda Burnie and Skills Minister Brendan O'Connor will both step

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Speaker 10: No government in living memory has had these cabinet and

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Speaker 2: And finally, a dog in Las Vegas that went missing

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Speaker 2: for nine years has been reunited with his owner, Gizmo,

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Speaker 2: the Chihuahua tiuaha mix. Excuse me, got to get that

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Speaker 3: They told me, yep, we have him here.

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Speaker 8: We're giving him about right now.

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Speaker 11: And I just started.

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Speaker 1: Bolling international correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of

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Speaker 2: Well it sounds like he was bawling as well, not

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Speaker 2: loving that bath after nine years living rough. Murray olds

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Speaker 2: OSSI corresponds with us, heymus.

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Speaker 8: Well, both veterans.

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Speaker 12: For example, Linda Bernie has been a parliamentarian for over

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Speaker 12: twenty years. She spent thirteen years at State parliament then

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Speaker 12: made the switch to Federal Parliament. Both long serving, both

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Speaker 12: members of the left faction, and we all know that

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Speaker 12: labor is driven by factions. Indeed, the Prime Minister Anthony

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Speaker 12: Albaniz he's a Lefty as well. So look surprising, perhaps not,

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Speaker 12: given the experience that they've both had.

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Speaker 8: They've been there a long time.

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Speaker 12: But it is time, I think, in fact it's over due.

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Speaker 12: I reckon and a lot of other people are saying

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Speaker 12: the same thing for a bit of a rejig of

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Speaker 12: his cabinet. You know, last year was bruising with the

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Speaker 12: Indigenous referendum that failed. But there's another Indigenous woman, very

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Speaker 12: very capable from the Northern Territory. She's a Senator Melan

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Speaker 12: Derry McCarthy. She's tipped to take over Linda Berney's Indigenous

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Speaker 12: affairs portfolio. The other big question here how extensive will.

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Speaker 8: This reshuffle be?

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Speaker 12: Because they've been one or two maybe more a pretty

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Speaker 12: much non performers Heather at the Albanezy cabinet table. So

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Speaker 12: it's going to be very interesting to see how big

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Speaker 12: he goes.

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Speaker 2: Well, is Andrew Giles in trouble.

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Speaker 12: Well, that'd be very interesting. I mean they are joined

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Speaker 12: at the hip. They are apparently besties. And you know,

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Speaker 12: to me, I hand on heart, I've never ever heard

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Speaker 12: of Andrew Charles. He'd never made a murder, he had

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Speaker 12: risen without a trace, as they say, and I've never

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Speaker 12: heard of the fellow, and here he is.

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Speaker 8: Apparently they are besties.

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Speaker 12: I don't know if they have sleepovers or whatever, but

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Speaker 12: I'll be interested.

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Speaker 8: It'll be very interesting. Indeed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we'll keep an eye on that one.

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Speaker 1: Hey.

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Speaker 2: So how much longer does Bruce Lehman want before he

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Speaker 2: has to pony out the cash?

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Speaker 12: Not sure, because he had a lawyer in court today

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Speaker 12: the Federal Courts, indicating that he wants to appeal against

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Speaker 12: that two million dollar judgment from the Federal court. He

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Speaker 12: wants to go to the full bench of the Federal

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Speaker 12: Court and say, listen, I shouldn't have to pay a

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Speaker 12: Network ten two million dollars after his failed defamation case

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Speaker 12: for its part. Network ten says, listen, you've got to

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Speaker 12: give us a couple of hundred thousand just, you know,

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Speaker 12: to be going on with as an indication I suppose

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Speaker 12: of security if nothing else. The Court's already been told

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Speaker 12: mister Luhrman quote is a man of modest means unquote. Well, hello,

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Speaker 12: you don't need a rocket science degree to tell you that.

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Speaker 12: And interestingly he too, you may have heard of this.

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Speaker 12: The woman he allegedly rate Britney Higgins, has reported him

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Speaker 12: been forced to sell the home she bought in the

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Speaker 12: South of France with that two four million dollar payout

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Speaker 12: to help fund the legal action that's been pursued by

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Speaker 12: the former boss.

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Speaker 8: Of Britney Higgins, Lenda Reynolds.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, all was very complicated, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 2: They managed to get that surfers league is it washed ashore?

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Speaker 2: Have they managed to stitch you back on?

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Speaker 8: That was what we heard only a couple of hours ago.

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Speaker 12: There's a a great family friend who has posted on

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Speaker 12: social media that, yeah, look the surgery's over.

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Speaker 8: And this young fellow, Kai McKenzie.

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Speaker 12: Twenty three years old, apparently tough as nails, tough as

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Speaker 12: hob nail boots this kid and look he lost his leg.

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Speaker 12: He managed to surf for sure, and there's the leg

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Speaker 12: washes up alongside him.

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Speaker 8: They whack that in an eski full of.

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Speaker 12: Ice and they fly both leg and the previous owner

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Speaker 12: of the leg down to Newcastle. Now that's obviously extremely

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Speaker 12: extensive surgery, but the latest social media posting from this

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Speaker 12: family friend said, look he's stable and resting after surgery.

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Speaker 12: It's going to be some days, maybe a bit longer

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Speaker 12: until doctors know if they've succeeded or not.

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Speaker 2: Oh jeez, well, best of Like, hey, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Mars appreciated the murray Olds Australia correspondent. Hither, my son's

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Speaker 2: got the same problem with the headphones. But it's actually

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Speaker 2: not the headphones because back in the day, women only

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Speaker 2: spoke when they were spoken to, and now they're constantly screaming.

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Speaker 2: Women have been wanting to scream for generations. Let me

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Speaker 2: tell you that they've just got the financial independence to

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Speaker 2: be able to scream it. You know, there is a

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Speaker 2: bit of a scandal, by the way, not just in

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Speaker 2: the football at the Olympics, but there is another skin

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Speaker 2: in the Australian Olympic swimming team because one of their

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Speaker 2: coaches turns out has been helping a swimmer from South Korea.

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Speaker 2: So this guy, Michael Poulfrey, is one of eight Ossie

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Speaker 2: swim coaches that they've taken over to Paris to help

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Speaker 2: the team, and gets busted by Australian media standing in

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Speaker 2: his Ossie uniform at the side of the pool giving

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Speaker 2: an interview to South Korean media in which he says

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Speaker 2: that he hopes the South Korean swimmer Kim Woomn wins gold.

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Speaker 2: But in order for Kim woman to win gold, he's

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Speaker 2: got to beat two Ossie swimmers, Elijah Winnington and Sam

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Speaker 2: Short who you would assume that the Aussie like, why

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Speaker 2: is the Aussie swim coach not rooting for his own swimmers,

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Speaker 2: Why is he rooting for the South Korean guy? He's

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Speaker 2: been training the South Korean kai, it turns out, while

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Speaker 2: taking his money from the Australian swimming team. Anyway, the

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Speaker 2: Ossies are flipping out about it. They've been having a

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Speaker 2: series of late night meetings in the camp try to

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Speaker 2: figure out what to do, presumably whether he should even

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Speaker 2: stay or not. So this one's off with a bang.

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Speaker 2: This Olympics game Olympic Games, by the looks of things

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Speaker 2: coming up.

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Speaker 1: Quarter to m politics, credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I don't know if you remember this from a

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Speaker 2: few years back, but I've been warning you about Tamara

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Speaker 2: or te Why right, We've got I'm gonna explain what

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Speaker 2: that is to you in a minute. But but what

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Speaker 2: I need to tell you is we've possibly got one

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Speaker 2: of the first case of why this actually is the

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Speaker 2: big problem that we were being warned it was. Now

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Speaker 2: what to mona to? Why is? It's a concept that

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Speaker 2: David Parker put into the National fresh Water Statement, so

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Speaker 2: it basically applies to the whole country now and tomnaw

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Speaker 2: with their y basically lets local EWI wherever they are

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Speaker 2: in the country decide how water is managed in any

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Speaker 2: in their local part of the country. Looks like it

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Speaker 2: could turn into quite an expensive problem in Otago specifically,

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Speaker 2: because that is the area that there's some leaked information

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Speaker 2: coming from and if it's a problem in Otago, it's

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Speaker 2: going to be a problem elsewhere. So have a listened

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Speaker 2: to this. The local ewi is night Tahoo. In Otago.

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Speaker 2: Night Tahoo gets to decide what temana or uai means

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Speaker 2: in Otago. They have taken quite a radical position. Apparently.

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Speaker 2: What they've decided is that no water from one body,

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Speaker 2: from one water body can be put into water in

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Speaker 2: another water body. So for example, I've been told of

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Speaker 2: a vineyard that takes water from one stream, uses the

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Speaker 2: water for whatever, I don't know, irrogate whatever, and then

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Speaker 2: puts the water into another water stream when it's finished

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Speaker 2: with it. They can't do that anymore. They're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to change how that works. That will cost the money. Also,

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Speaker 2: no water that has passed through a human body, apparently,

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Speaker 2: according to the Naita who can be returned to a

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Speaker 2: water body. So for example, if you've done your wheeze

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Speaker 2: and you flushed it down the toilet and it goes

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Speaker 2: off to get treated perfectly clean water, you can drink

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Speaker 2: it probably probably if it's done properly, absolutely fine. But

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Speaker 2: now can no longer be put into the local stream

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Speaker 2: because bad juju or whatever. Anyway, FAED farmers. This is

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Speaker 2: going to affect farmers in a big way because they

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Speaker 2: are going to be the ones who are going to

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Speaker 2: bear the brunt of it. But so a local rapayers

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Speaker 2: FAED farmers have gone public with us. They reckon there

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Speaker 2: are two small otargo towns. The cost to just those

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Speaker 2: two towns will be more than one hundred and ten

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Speaker 2: million dollars, which means fifty thousand dollars per rate player

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Speaker 2: in that town. We're going to speak to Federative Farmers

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Speaker 2: after half plus five about that with me right now.

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Speaker 2: We've got Jason Wall's political leaders to Hey, Jason afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Hother in light of that massive report yesterday, is the

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Speaker 2: government going to review any of its policies?

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Speaker 13: You know, there were some interesting comments by Erica Stamford today.

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Speaker 13: She's the minister that's been in charge of this report

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Speaker 13: and basically just having a look at that exact question

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Speaker 13: in terms of the government's current legislative agenda in light

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Speaker 13: of that report. Now, the government has received a lot

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Speaker 13: of praise this and the last government actually have received

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Speaker 13: a lot of praise for the report and the work

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Speaker 13: behind it, but there have also been a number of

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Speaker 13: questions raised by critics, including this one by the Greens

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Speaker 13: that was raised in the House yesterday.

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Speaker 14: And to get really real and frank, what that means

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Speaker 14: and what survivors this morning told us is that that

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Speaker 14: means no military style boots camps.

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Speaker 13: Let's have a question and more of a statement actually,

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Speaker 13: and it's they say that it's basically tone deaf for

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Speaker 13: the government to roll out the pilot of this program

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Speaker 13: this weekend when the report has just been tabled. Now,

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Speaker 13: Chris Luxen was strongly pushing back on the insinuations being

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Speaker 13: made by the Greens.

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Speaker 15: Well, I want to be very clear about that, because

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Speaker 15: what we're proposing is something very very different. Having read

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Speaker 15: the full accounts, I've read all the eighty one accounts

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Speaker 15: of the individuals, and I've.

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Speaker 3: Read the five case studies of the.

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Speaker 15: Senders as well, and what we're doing is something very

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Speaker 15: very different.

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Speaker 3: That was about unvetted staff.

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Speaker 15: We have in this case senior psychologists and two social

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Speaker 15: workers working with ten young people consistently.

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Speaker 13: So his argument is that this is just too crude

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Speaker 13: of comparison from the opposition. It's not apples to apples.

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Speaker 13: But the wider question does remain, how much does the

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Speaker 13: government need to change its current plans in light of

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Speaker 13: the report. And here's how Stamford responded to that question

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Speaker 13: on the Bridge run today.

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Speaker 16: The Royal Commission makes a number of recommendations about around

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Speaker 16: quite wide ranging structural organizational change and a lot of

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Speaker 16: legislation change, and we will take a look at those

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Speaker 16: in due course.

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Speaker 2: You except the need there would be there would be

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Speaker 2: a need for wide changes.

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Speaker 16: They as well be a need for wide changes and

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Speaker 16: legislative change. But we haven't considered yet all of the recommendations,

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Speaker 16: but we will do so in good faith over the

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Speaker 16: coming months.

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Speaker 13: So she hasn't and she wouldn't go into specifics here

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Speaker 13: as to what those quote wide changes might be. But

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Speaker 13: the timeframe, she said, is in the coming months. But

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Speaker 13: so that means don't expect to see something like a

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Speaker 13: one to eighty on the boot camps for example.

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Speaker 2: Jason very quickly, because I only have about forty five seconds.

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Speaker 2: But what's going on with child poverty numbers?

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Speaker 17: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Geed okay, I'll try and get it in a quick

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Speaker 13: amount of time. So essentially the government has come out

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Speaker 13: or the Greens have come out swinging saying it was

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Speaker 13: the government that they've they've quietly watered down the child

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Speaker 13: poverty statistics, and this was kicked off by Ricardo me

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Speaker 13: Mendez March in the House and it was essentially a

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Speaker 13: battle about the numbers here. Now what the numbers it

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Speaker 13: comes down to is that the previous government's child poverty

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Speaker 13: reduction target was nine percent. However in the last time

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Speaker 13: we saw the report that number was up to twelve

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Speaker 13: point five percent. Now this government has is not doing

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Speaker 13: the nine percent target that the government had, but it's

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Speaker 13: actually doing an eleven percent target. So technically, yes, it's

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Speaker 13: higher than the last government, but also technically the last

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Speaker 13: government wasn't going to meet this target at all. So

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Speaker 13: it's a bit of jiggery pokery going on in the

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Speaker 13: house here. In terms of those numbers, I thank you.

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Speaker 2: You did that in forty five seconds. Yes, it's quite impressive.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Jizing Wolves, political leader in for Burry

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Speaker 2: Sooper coming up seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: Plaice leaving the new Health Commissioner is Willison.

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Speaker 18: We've got a hundred and stirty million and overspend. We

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Speaker 18: needed fiscal control and we need to be efficient to

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Speaker 18: refector out the resources we currently have.

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Speaker 11: Let's keep this as simple as we can. Are there

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Speaker 11: fourteen layers of management.

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Speaker 18: A small hospital, there's seven between a nurse, for example,

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Speaker 18: and the chief secutor. In a bigger hospital it could

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Speaker 18: be ten, and in some other areas it could be twelve.

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Speaker 8: Any excuse for that.

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Speaker 18: That's a where the organization has been structured. I personally

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Speaker 18: think that the organization looks more like a public sector

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Speaker 18: agency and health delivery organization.

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Speaker 17: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: Jaguar News Talk said v By.

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Speaker 2: The way, still no statement from Andrew Hoggard's office Rea

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Speaker 2: what's happened with the infant formula. So the longer it

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Speaker 2: drags on the more the more I'm convinced that what

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Speaker 2: I've heard is right that it hasn't gone very well

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand unfortunately. In that meeting, will keep you

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Speaker 2: posted on that listen. One of the things that came

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Speaker 2: out of yesterday's State abuse inquiry, and this is quite

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Speaker 2: quite bizarre, is suspicion that there was a pedophile ring

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Speaker 2: involving politicians in the nineteen eighties. So, according to the report,

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Speaker 2: the people who were conducting it heard allegations that back

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Speaker 2: in the eighties there was a pedophile ring of not

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Speaker 2: only politicians but also prominent public servants who would have

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Speaker 2: kids brought in from the care institutions just up the

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Speaker 2: road in Horde Fenua like living and stuff, and have

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Speaker 2: them brought into Wellington for them. So the Abuse and

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Speaker 2: Care Lot investigated it in the cops and bestigated it.

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Speaker 2: And what they found is that the evidence is quote

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Speaker 2: deeply suspicious, but they didn't find enough evidence to actually

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Speaker 2: say it happens. So they had a couple of people

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Speaker 2: who claimed sexual abuse by different form of government politicians.

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Speaker 2: They interviewed potential witnesses throughout the country. They reviewed historical records.

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Speaker 2: They found one witness with first hand of evidence of

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Speaker 2: the alleged organized abuse. They found others who had second

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Speaker 2: or third hand in foe but they couldn't corroborate it.

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Speaker 2: They had several alleged victims who had died or were

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Speaker 2: too sick to speak or couldn't be found. And they

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Speaker 2: also found others who didn't want to speak because they

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Speaker 2: were scared of quote repercussions due to the powerful position

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Speaker 2: formally or still held by their alleged abuser. In other instances,

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Speaker 2: the information provided indicated that organized abuse may have occurred,

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Speaker 2: but no survivors could be identified. Isn't that creepy. We're

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Speaker 2: going to speak to an abuse survivor next about whether

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Speaker 2: the coppers need to start investigating and start actually punishing

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Speaker 2: the perpetrators. Stand by for that. Newstork ZBI.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis. Heather,

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Speaker 1: due to Celan Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get

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Speaker 1: connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 2: One of the questions now that the abuse and care

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Speaker 2: reporters out is will the perpetrators that in that report

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Speaker 2: be held to account? The three thousand page report released

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Speaker 2: yesterday detailed countless allegations of, among other things, abuse, neglect

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Speaker 2: and sex trafficking that was carried out against people, young people,

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Speaker 2: kids in state and religious care. Now, Jim Goodwin is

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Speaker 2: an abuse survivor who was on the Royal Commissioned Survivor

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Speaker 2: Advisory Group and he's with me. Now, Hey, Jim, Hi, Heather,

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Speaker 2: do you want the police to investigate and charge alleged perpetrators?

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Speaker 6: Oh? Yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Are they still alive?

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Speaker 6: Some of them are? Some of them are?

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Speaker 2: What proportion do you reckon are.

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Speaker 6: Oh? Either I would have no idea.

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Speaker 2: Are we talking a majority, maybe half or just a handful?

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Speaker 6: I have no idea. Nineteen fifty to ninety ninety nine. Obviously.

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Speaker 6: The other thing is here the abuse has continued since

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Speaker 6: nineteen ninety nine. It's still going on. So those ones

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Speaker 6: are mostly best still alive.

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Speaker 2: Why haven't Why haven't these people been chased by the

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Speaker 2: cops yet?

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Speaker 6: Lots of reasons. In the early days the cops went

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Speaker 6: resourced to do it, they didn't know how to interview

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Speaker 6: people for sexual offending. They didn't they how to interview survivors,

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Speaker 6: so much better at it now. Survivors didn't come forward

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Speaker 6: a whole lot of reasons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is one of the things that we've

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Speaker 2: heard is that even if given the opportunity, a lot

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Speaker 2: of survivors didn't talk to police because they don't trust police.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that they would be Did you think

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Speaker 2: that's an ongoing problem?

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Speaker 6: It is an ongoing problem. It's getting better. The police

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Speaker 6: are doing a much better job now than they were

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Speaker 6: even five years ago. But yeah, a lot of survivors

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Speaker 6: don't trust authority at all.

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Speaker 2: Would you talk to police about your abuse?

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Speaker 6: I did, I already have what happened. So they interviewed

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Speaker 6: the alleged perpetrators and decided not to proceed because they

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Speaker 6: felt that the perpetrators would invoke I think it's a

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Speaker 6: section in the Crimes Act saying it was too long.

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Speaker 2: Since a statute of limitations. Like, how do you feel

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Speaker 2: about that?

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Speaker 12: Ah?

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Speaker 6: Okay, I mean we gave the perpetrators a pretty good

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Speaker 6: rattle up. You know, they were interviewed by detectives and

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Speaker 6: they layed up pretty quickly. So, yeah, they know who

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Speaker 6: they are and they know what they did.

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Speaker 2: On the subject of redress, which is obviously going to happen.

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Speaker 2: The government's made that pretty clear. Do you think that?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that survivors should have money given to

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Speaker 2: them directly as compost?

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Speaker 6: Yes? How much it depends on the nature of the offense.

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Speaker 2: Would you think in some cases, I mean, Sonya Cooper

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Speaker 2: was talking to us the lawyer yesterday about potentially up

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Speaker 2: to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Would that be.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely for some people?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, Jim, thank you very much. I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: you talking about it mate. That's Jim Goodwin, who is

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Speaker 2: abuse survivor.

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Speaker 3: Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Now it turns out the Canadian football team didn't just

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Speaker 2: spy on the football ferns once. They actually flew a

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Speaker 2: drone over the New Zealand training on two occasions. The

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Speaker 2: Canadians have responded by sending home the person who was

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Speaker 2: flying the drone and also the assistant coach. Here's David Shoemaker,

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Speaker 2: the CEO of the Canadian Olympic Committee.

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Speaker 3: There's no room for that in Team Canada.

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Speaker 19: It doesn't conform to our standards of fair play and

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Speaker 19: our values at the Canadian Olympic Committee.

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Speaker 2: The two teams are going to play each other tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Levitt is a reporter with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Speaker 2: and is in Paris. Hey Sarah, Hello, Hey, how have

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Speaker 2: Canadians responded to this?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 20: Deep shame? I would say the overall response to this

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Speaker 20: has been just how is it that the first Olympic

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Speaker 20: scandal of these Paris Games involves Canadians. Lots of people

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Speaker 20: worried and wondering why this even happened in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Well, because our team is quite sucky.

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Speaker 20: I would just say, when we look at the FIFA standings,

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Speaker 20: Canada placed eighth. They're the reigning gold medalists. And yes,

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Speaker 20: I assume the idea is that New Zealand, you know,

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Speaker 20: is ranked twenty eight, so it's kind of a why

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Speaker 20: would you worry about this?

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Speaker 2: Well, Sarah, the obvious answer is because the Canadian football

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Speaker 2: cheat football team. I just cheat, right, it won't be

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Speaker 2: the first time they've done it.

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Speaker 20: Well, I don't know about that. What they have said

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Speaker 20: is that this is isolated to two people, As you said,

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Speaker 20: two people sent home, one of them saying that they

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Speaker 20: didn't know this was happening. And that's so far what

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Speaker 20: we know right that in fact police uh like got

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Speaker 20: the guy and then took the drone from him, and

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Speaker 20: so that the coaches of the staff never actually ever

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Speaker 20: got access to the video.

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Speaker 6: So hopefully that.

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Speaker 20: Tampers any idea of cheating. But yes, it's quite the

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Speaker 20: scandal here in Canada, and I'm sure in New Zealand

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Speaker 20: as well.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand has officially asked that the punishment mate out

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Speaker 2: to Canada is that Canada forfeits all points even if

821
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Speaker 2: they win all draw Do you think that's fair?

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Speaker 20: Whether I think it's fair or not, I think what

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Speaker 20: happens now is up to the International Olympic Committee. They're

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Speaker 20: looking into to it. What they have said is that

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Speaker 20: they're really happy with how Canada's Olympic Committee has dealt

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Speaker 20: with this, with the swift sanctions, and whether or not

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Speaker 20: we're going to see points given today. In fact, the

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Speaker 20: game is going to play. I guess in your time

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Speaker 20: it'll be a little bit during the night, but.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to see.

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Speaker 20: The IOC, though, seems very happy with how this was

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Speaker 20: handled internally, so I don't suspect that we'll see anything coming.

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Speaker 2: Sarah. Thank you. I really appreciate your time. That Sarah Levett,

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Speaker 2: that is who is a reporter in Paris with the

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Speaker 2: Canadian Broadcasting.

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Speaker 3: Corporation, Heather due for Cee Allen.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like Rob Pennies kept his job as the Crusaders coaches.

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Speaker 2: Is not official, it's just being reported as being understood.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like the Crusaders have done their review of

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Speaker 2: how poorly the team played and obviously the fact that

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Speaker 2: they failed to make the playoffs for the first time

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Speaker 2: since twenty fifteen and so on, and it's being reported

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Speaker 2: that they will confirm Rob Penny as keeping the job

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Speaker 2: next week when they hold a press conference apparently on Wednesday. Now,

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Speaker 2: that shouldn't be a surprise for two reasons. Number one,

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Speaker 2: Rob Penny signed a contract for two years, so this

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Speaker 2: will be his second year. And number two, it's not

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Speaker 2: his fault because all of these veterans left the squad, right,

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Speaker 2: so if you have this, you've got all the young

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Speaker 2: ones to work with. Of course you're not going to

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Speaker 2: do that well, but I am sure that that's not

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Speaker 2: going to satisfy many Crusaders fans. Let just keep an

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Speaker 2: eye out for that one fourteen past five. Hey, if

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Speaker 2: your business has got multiple branches throughout the country, you're

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Speaker 2: is the same high standard for every one of your stores,

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Speaker 2: both inside and out, not a different shade of orange

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Speaker 2: or of green or something with the logo that you

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Speaker 2: were using ten years ago in one site. Now you're

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Speaker 2: not going to have that problem with speedy signs. I mean,

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Speaker 2: these guys have been around for over twenty five years.

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Speaker 2: They've got close to thirty locations across New Zealand. So

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Speaker 2: let's say that you've got stores from Fargaday's Inbicago. One

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Speaker 2: point of contact a. Speedy Signs will project manage all

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Speaker 2: maintaining your brand integrity and ensuring that customers get to

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Speaker 2: a call. The number is oh eight hundred Speedy. We

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Speaker 2: can check them out at their website which is Speedy

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Speaker 2: Signs dot co dot mzgether do for see Alix, whether

876
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Speaker 2: Thomas Mead will rip his panties with a snooze Rob

877
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Speaker 2: Penny to stay the right call? Do you reckon Andy

878
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: that they're gonna send Thomas. I mean you'd have to,

879
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't you? When they call the press conference on Wednesday,

880
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 2: You've got to send Thomas Mead along and just see

881
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: how Robb reacts to that. Just just to give us,

882
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: like the next installment in that particular soap opera, eighteen

883
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: past five now sounds like, we've got a big problem

884
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: with hearing loss in young people. Apparently, across the world,

885
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: about one in five young people are currently diagnosed with

886
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Speaker 2: hearing issues. In New Zealand, nearly a quarter of year

887
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Speaker 2: nine students report having TENAITUS or tonightis Natasha Galado is

888
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: the CEO of the National Foundation for Deaf and Hard

889
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: Hearing and is with us now, Hey Natasha, oh hi,

890
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: how are you very well? Thank you? Can we blame

891
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: the headphones, the earphones for this?

892
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 21: It's certainly looking that way. Yes, When we look at

893
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 21: that one in five globally young people having hearing US,

894
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 21: it's mainly due to preventative issues relating to headphone use.

895
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 21: So yes, it certainly looks that way.

896
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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess the problem is that the young

897
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: people are using these headphones and devices much more than

898
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: when I was a young person. So how do you

899
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Speaker 2: help them to keep the levels down?

900
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

901
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 21: Absolutely they are. I think the key thing is education.

902
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 21: We've been running a make Listening Safe education program in

903
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 21: secondary schools since twenty twenty and the aim of that

904
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 21: program is to provide information to the students and parents.

905
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Speaker 21: I'm still enjoying listening to your personal devices and using headphones.

906
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 21: But what's the safest way that you can do that

907
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 21: to protect your hearing?

908
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 22: Yeah?

909
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, young people make dumb decisions. So as a parent,

910
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: how do you know if it's too loud? Like, do

911
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: you do you need to stick your head close to

912
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: the headphone? Be like, if you can hear it yourself,

913
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: it's too loud.

914
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 21: Absolutely, yes, that is one gauge that you can tell

915
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 21: that if you can hear it, even music or anything

916
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 21: coming through the headphones, it's definitely too loud.

917
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Speaker 2: I look forward to that battle. Does it always lead

918
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Speaker 2: to hearing losses they've got tenatus?

919
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 4: Not always?

920
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 21: No, It's really around whether that tinatus is permanent or

921
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 21: it's something that is just temporary. Many people will go

922
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Speaker 21: to a concert and walk out with bringing in the years,

923
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Speaker 21: but that could be just something that just lasts for

924
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Speaker 21: a few days. It's mainly whether or not that tinatus

925
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Speaker 21: is ongoing and really what are your listening habits as

926
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Speaker 21: they contributing to that tenatus and that potential for it

927
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Speaker 21: to become more permanent.

928
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Speaker 2: Natasha's good to talk to you. Thank you for that.

929
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Speaker 2: Natasha Galada, the chief executive of the National Foundation for

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Speaker 2: the Deaf, listen on the redress for people in abused

931
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Speaker 2: care right, I think I just want to point something

932
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: out to you. I think most of us with you know,

933
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: who are decent, would probably have heard Yep, there's going

934
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: to be some compo. That's fair enough if if you've

935
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: been through what you've been through in these these state

936
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Speaker 2: institutions are so only fair that there's some sort of

937
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: a redress, whether that be I don't know, you know,

938
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Speaker 2: providing you with housing or getting your teeth fixed, or

939
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: getting your tattoos removed or whatever, compo directly, whatever, But

940
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: what about this? How do you feel about making a

941
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: direct payment to a gang member to say sorry for

942
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: what happened to you? Because if we start handing out

943
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: money to people, if we start handing out COMPO to

944
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: people who have been abused, we are going to be

945
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Speaker 2: handing out money to gang members. Because basically all of

946
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Speaker 2: those founding members of Black Power and the Mungrel Mob

947
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Speaker 2: and stuff like that, they came out of these these

948
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 2: care institutes, they will have been abused. So if we're

949
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Speaker 2: talking about, like Sonya Cooper was last night, the lawyer,

950
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars, how do you feel

951
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: about giving old mate from the mongrel mob hundreds of

952
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars to say, SOZ, We're going to talk

953
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Speaker 2: to the huddle about that when they're with us very shortly.

954
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Speaker 2: Five twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Find your smart speaker on the iHeart app and in

956
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home either dupless a drive

957
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected and news talk

958
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Speaker 1: as they'd be.

959
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Speaker 2: Five twenty four. Listen. There was a question that I

960
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: asked I think pretty much everyone I talked to yesterday

961
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Speaker 2: about the abuse and care report, and I never really

962
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: got a satisfactory answer to it. And the question was,

963
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: how do we stop this kind of thing from happening again?

964
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: How do we stop adults in positions of power from

965
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: hurting kids who they are supposed to be looking after?

966
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Speaker 2: And I think the reason I didn't get a satisfactory

967
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Speaker 2: answer is probably because we can't really stop these kinds

968
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Speaker 2: of people. I mean, I think we can do our

969
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: best to try, but I think we all know that

970
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 2: we cannot ever really stop evil adults who are intent

971
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Speaker 2: on hurting kids from being able to hurt kids. I mean,

972
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Speaker 2: they will find a way. I mean, look at how

973
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Speaker 2: many kids have died just in the last few years

974
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Speaker 2: at the hands of their own parents. If you can't

975
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Speaker 2: trust their parents, then can you really trust any other

976
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Speaker 2: adult anyway. So I thought about it a lot overnight.

977
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Speaker 2: I reckon one of the things that we do have

978
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Speaker 2: to do is at least try to find and punish

979
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Speaker 2: the perpetrators in this report. There are bad people in

980
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Speaker 2: this report. It's you know, from talking to Jim, you

981
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: could hear you can't really quantify how many of them

982
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: are still alive, but there will be plenty who are

983
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Speaker 2: still alive. I mean, there are girls in the Jehovah's

984
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: Witnesses or who were in the Jehovah's Witnesses who say

985
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: that men abuse them in the eighties. That's not that

986
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: long ago. Those guys may still be alive. There is

987
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Speaker 2: abuse that was happening as recently as five years ago.

988
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: Those perpetrators probably most likely will still be alive.

989
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 8: Now.

990
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Speaker 2: I respect the fact that the government is going to apologize,

991
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: but it wasn't the state actually doing this. Now. I'm

992
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: not letting the state off the hook here. The state

993
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: does need to apologize. It's sanctioned and enabled and ignored

994
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: the abuse. But it's one thing for the states to apologize.

995
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: I really want the people who did this stuff to

996
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: be held accountable and be made, if possible, to say sorry,

997
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: but definitely, if possible, will be put behind bars. I

998
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: don't think that doing that, I mean, let's be honest again,

999
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: I don't think that doing that is going to stop

1000
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Speaker 2: future abuse by adults. But I think it's going to

1001
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: tell future abuses that there is no hiding. If the

1002
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 2: victim is brave enough to talk, justice will follow, and maybe,

1003
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: just for some the threat of that potential justice maybe

1004
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: enough to stop or at least temper the abs use

1005
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: that they're happy to meet out now. To be honest

1006
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: about this, the practicalities are that the cops are too

1007
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 2: stretched at the moment even to do their jobs properly.

1008
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 6: Right.

1009
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: They're not turning up to burglaries, They're not turning up

1010
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: to robberies and stuff like that. So if you're going

1011
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: to add this extra workload onto the coppers, you have

1012
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: to be prepared to fund them. You have to be

1013
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: prepared to give them more people. But I think that

1014
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: is the right thing to do. I think give the

1015
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: police the resources and then let them loose on the perpetrators.

1016
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 2: Heather do for see Alan Heather Bs. Sorry for using

1017
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 2: that word, but one or more of the coaches should

1018
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: have been sent home. The drone controller ain't making a

1019
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: home movie. Of course, the coaching staff would have been involved,

1020
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: of course, thank you will for saying that. Listen, the

1021
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: fact that the Canadians immediately send home old mate on

1022
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 2: the drone but also an assistant coach is like the oldest,

1023
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: the oldest trick in the book for how to stem

1024
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: the damage. Right, So what you do is you get

1025
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: somebody to be the scapegoat, and then you go, look,

1026
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: we've taken it seriously. You don't need to do anything more.

1027
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 2: And then, of course FIFA and the Olympics go, oh, look,

1028
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: how seriously they've taken it. That's an admission of guilt

1029
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: right there. Not for one second believe that the coach

1030
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: didn't know. And I don't think that anybody should be

1031
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: sucked in like the journal before, to be fair, she's

1032
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: Canadian and go oh, they've done enough. They don't need

1033
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: to be punished. Oh hell yeah, they need to be punished.

1034
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: Take their points off them. By the way, not the

1035
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: first time they've been involved in alleged drone flying. I'll

1036
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: run you through that at some stage. Let's talk to

1037
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: fed farmers next about the temno or to why snuff headlines?

1038
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: Now Heather duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get

1039
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: the facts.

1040
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 3: It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand.

1041
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk, said Bunny on the.

1042
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 8: Double side of whiskey.

1043
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: Then I need.

1044
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 8: There's a party downfown near fair Stream.

1045
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 23: Everybody yet buet okay, how'd I standing?

1046
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: By this evening? We have got Matt Heath and clear

1047
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: de law with us. Still no statement from the Food

1048
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: Minister about what happened in that meeting today with the

1049
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: Aussie food ministers. Now, if you haven't been across this,

1050
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: let me just quickly update you we were. There was

1051
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: a meeting today. There was a meeting today between the

1052
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: Aussie Food Ministers and the New Zealand Food ministers and

1053
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: they needed to talk about these absolutely ridiculous dumb rules

1054
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: around infant formula. The rules which include all of the

1055
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: beautiful pictures and information on the can being taken off

1056
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: and you're just getting a white can that' says baby

1057
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: formula stage three or something like that, because you know

1058
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: they don't want you. They don't want you to give

1059
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: your baby baby formula. They want you to give your

1060
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 2: baby breast milk until they're twenty five years old. Also,

1061
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: anything that's special like lactose free, you can't even get that.

1062
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: You won't be able to get that at the supermarket.

1063
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: You have to go to the pharmacy for that, or

1064
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: the doctor or the dietician, because you know, you might

1065
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: just start pumping lactose free formula into your baby because

1066
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 2: you know, you think it's awesome, and they don't want

1067
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: you to do that. They want you to breastfeed your

1068
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: baby until they're eighteen. Anyway, So it sounds like, as

1069
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: I told you before, sounds like our ministers have been

1070
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: rolled by the Aussie ministers, and it sounds like we

1071
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: might be in a bit of trouble hair and the

1072
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: reason that's what we've heard. But also the other thing

1073
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: that's kind of confirming that that may be a problem

1074
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: is that we were expecting a statement between three and

1075
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: four this afternoon hasn't arrived. By that still still hasn't arrived.

1076
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: So Laura the producer, checked in with the minister's office

1077
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: and they're now not going to send a statement this evening.

1078
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: They're going to be a statement tomorrow. So this doesn't

1079
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: sound good at all. I'm going to talk to Jonathan

1080
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Speaker 2: Chew from the Infant Nutrition Council after six o'clock. Stand

1081
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: by for that twenty three away from.

1082
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 3: Six, Heather Duplicy Ellen.

1083
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Speaker 2: Now, farmers are demanding that Otago Regional Council front up

1084
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: and be honest about how much the new water rules

1085
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: are going to cost. It turns out, as predicted that

1086
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Speaker 2: tomna or to y concept which has been put into

1087
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Speaker 2: the water rules, which allows the local EWE to tell

1088
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Speaker 2: local government how to protect the manna of the water,

1089
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: is going to be really expensive. With me right now

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Speaker 2: is Luke Caine, the president of Federated Farmer's Otago.

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Speaker 24: Hi, Luke, Hi, how are you doing so?

1092
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you mate. How much have you heard

1093
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: it's going to cost?

1094
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 24: Yes, sir, that's a tricky thing, right. We're working on

1095
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 24: some older information because no one seems to have an

1096
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 24: up to date figure. The last we heard for a

1097
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 24: couple of small towns in a target as they study

1098
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 24: with around one hundred and million, which equate still around

1099
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 24: that fifty odd thousand.

1100
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: Per which are these two towns.

1101
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 24: They're in the central Otago.

1102
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Speaker 6: District.

1103
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 24: Yeah, so there are of that size of around that

1104
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 24: four or five hundred people. Yeah, and are they.

1105
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: Affected now, My understanding is they are affected by the

1106
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: local ewe's rule and being nai tahoo that water that's

1107
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: passed through a human body cannot be put back into

1108
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: a waterway. So for example, you know, the whees that

1109
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: have been treated cannot be put into the local stream.

1110
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: Is that what is affecting them?

1111
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 24: Yeah, and it's it's it's the point where even if

1112
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 24: this water is actually treated to the point where it

1113
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 24: is then cleaner, clearer than the naturally flowing water, it

1114
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 24: still can't go in there. Why it's not a debate

1115
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 24: on whether where you know, it's not around wanting to

1116
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 24: discharge raw sewage by any means that you know, that's

1117
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 24: another argument, but it's well notment that just can't be done.

1118
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 24: But yes, it's it's based on the more spiritual believing of.

1119
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 6: The water spiritual stuff.

1120
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 2: Okay, And so is this going to the cost comes

1121
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: into what having to build new new water treatment infrastructure

1122
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: or something like that.

1123
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 24: Well, it would have to be discharged to land, which

1124
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 24: of course, okay, we could possibly do that, but under

1125
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 24: all of the food producing rules we cannot as farmers.

1126
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 24: You aren't allowed to harvest any any pasture or anything

1127
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 24: and feed it back to an anal animal if it's

1128
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 24: had that water applied to it. So, and we're a

1129
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 24: wet climate down here in places right, ability to actually

1130
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 24: discharge any water during a winter period is non existent

1131
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 24: because water holding capacity of the soils not there.

1132
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, now this is obviously going to affect the rate pays.

1133
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: How is this going to affect farmers?

1134
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 24: So farmers obviously also either in some cases on town

1135
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 24: supply for sewage and that sort of thing, or work

1136
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 24: the private schemes adviseeptic tanks and that sort of thing.

1137
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 24: But also quite big in the central Nigo area where

1138
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 24: a lot of irrigation and North Otago these issues there

1139
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 24: where they cannot take water from one tributary, mix it

1140
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 24: with another and then possibly put it back into the tributary.

1141
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 24: So in there's cases there where there's been mining channels

1142
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 24: or water conveying channels for over one hundred years, which

1143
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 24: might make two creeks together for simple terms and discharge

1144
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 24: it back to the river, even though the river was

1145
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 24: where the water would naturally end up. It just means

1146
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 24: that there's con creek in the middle.

1147
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Luke, you have you gone to the Otago Regional

1148
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: Council asked them how much this is going to cost?

1149
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 24: So we've left bet without yesterday. We understand that some

1150
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 24: of the district councils are really serund of these rules

1151
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 24: and they you know, obviously everybody is in a financial

1152
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 24: pinch at the moment, especially counsels, and deciding how and

1153
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 24: where to spend their money. So you know, talking billions

1154
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 24: across the target if we used that you know, those

1155
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 24: couple of case studies. What, Yeah, it's just not viable.

1156
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: No, it really isn't. Luke, thank you very much for

1157
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 2: talking us through. That's Luke Cane, President of Federated Farmers Otager.

1158
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: We've got a statement from the Otaga Regional councilor get

1159
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 2: you across the detail. Shortly nineteen away from.

1160
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: Six the huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty exceptional

1161
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: marketing for every property on the huddle with.

1162
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: Me this even we've got Matt Heath of Radio HOARKI

1163
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: and Clear de lawd journalist. Hell are you too good?

1164
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: All right?

1165
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: What punishment do you want? Meeting out to the Canadian

1166
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: football team.

1167
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 23: Matt Wow, Well, collective punishment, So all the whole team

1168
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 23: that have been training for four years, the reigning champions.

1169
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 23: Punishment for them, I don't know, like I think morally

1170
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 23: are probably no punishment. But from a purely patriotic, biased

1171
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 23: New Zealand side, sure we'll push for the two points

1172
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 23: because we're not going to get them in a normal

1173
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 23: play by play fashion.

1174
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 2: We're not going to get them by winning.

1175
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 3: No, we're not getting by the winning.

1176
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 23: What I think strange about it is what were they

1177
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 23: looking to find from our strategy?

1178
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 2: That's the football fans? What are you doing?

1179
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 23: Night at the back kicking as far away from the

1180
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 23: goal as you possibly can. I hope it doesn't come.

1181
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: Back, It says to me. Look, I mean, it's the

1182
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: fact that they're spying on us. Says to me that

1183
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 2: they just spy as a matter of course, right, and

1184
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 2: for that reason they to be punished quite severely to

1185
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: stop this.

1186
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 5: Who did they think we were and what did they

1187
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 5: think they have stood to gain as champions? It's really

1188
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 5: pretty weird chieving and sports seems to be in demic

1189
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 5: and maybe they just thought, oh well, maybe it's that

1190
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 5: a turn to have it go. But it defies our

1191
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 5: kind of conceptions about Canadians. We think they're like us, Yeah,

1192
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 5: warm friendly, you know, we're all and Laura bating people

1193
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 5: compared to the you know, more stroppy Americans and Australians.

1194
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 5: But it turns out they're not. I think take the

1195
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 5: points off them, make them play the game, and make

1196
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 5: them and I drink warm beer and have KFC.

1197
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: Towards a hater us for that too, right, I think

1198
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 2: they do need to be punished. Okay, listen, what are

1199
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: we going to do here? We obviously, Matt, obviously the

1200
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 2: compo idea is flying right with the government because they're

1201
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 2: looking at the redress. Do you think they will get

1202
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: away paying redress to gang members?

1203
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1204
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 23: It's an incredibly complex issue, isn't it, Because obviously there's

1205
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 23: a cause for every crime. There's a cause for everything

1206
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 23: and an effect. And if that's caused you to be

1207
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 23: in a gang member, how do you evaluate that? And

1208
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 23: I reckon some problems in our society don't have a

1209
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,479
Speaker 23: clean black and white solution. Do they know some things

1210
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 23: are just gray?

1211
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 8: And while some.

1212
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 23: People deserve compensation, I'm sure if compensation is actually what's

1213
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 23: going to help you, I don't think of money. If

1214
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 23: you've got those deep set problems that have caused you

1215
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 23: to go into a life of crime, that money is

1216
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 23: going to solve that problem. So are there other things

1217
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 23: we can do? But sometime you've just got to go

1218
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 23: This problem is so incredibly freaking complex, And if you

1219
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 23: start not blaming people by virtue of what's happened to

1220
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 23: them in the past, then the whole justice system completely collapses,

1221
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 23: doesn't it, because everything is based on something that's happened

1222
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 23: in your past.

1223
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: So, of course, so I don't know.

1224
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 23: I don't know, But if someone's been abused in state care,

1225
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 23: then I don't know whoever they are. Are we going to

1226
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 23: nickel and dine them and getting some money. Look, I'll

1227
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 23: tell you what, I've been thinking about this all day,

1228
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 23: and I've been listening to it, and I can honestly

1229
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 23: say I don't know if there's a correct answer for it.

1230
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've wondered about this as well, clear because it

1231
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: is a little complicated to be paying compensation to pick

1232
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: to some of these people. Right, Some of them, like

1233
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: as we know, have got alcohol and drug issues. If

1234
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: you give direct money to them, they're just going to

1235
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: blow it on that. That's not helping the situation. And

1236
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: then from a political perspective, giving money to gang members

1237
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: is probably not a great thing as well, So what do.

1238
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 5: You do politically? There's also not a good thing to

1239
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 5: be ticking between survivors of abuse right to decide who deserving.

1240
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 5: They all deserve compassion, they all deserve redress as it happens. Now,

1241
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 5: that's quite right. You know, money can't make up what's

1242
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 5: happened to them. But how do you pick and choose?

1243
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 5: I know, for example, to do with scam. I think

1244
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 5: it's two hundred thousand dollars per person, and there's no

1245
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 5: limit on the number of their survivors who can apply

1246
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 5: for that, and some people will have drug and alcohol problems.

1247
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 5: Maybe one hundred k of it will go really quickly.

1248
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 5: Maybe there are people who will stand by and give

1249
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 5: them advice on like how can you actually maximize this

1250
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 5: to make this painful life a bit better later.

1251
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: In your life if you don't have to pay the money.

1252
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: That's the other thing as well, right, what they're talking

1253
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: about is potentially just redressing other forms like paying for

1254
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: new teeth, paying for tattoos being removed, giving them housing.

1255
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 5: Well, I think that's going to be quite difficult to

1256
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 5: work out a formula of it that gives everybody the

1257
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 5: same degree of respect. I think choosing between them is

1258
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 5: going to be extremely difficult. You know, yesterday Parliament was

1259
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 5: in great agreement that a terrible wrong had happened to

1260
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 5: all these people and that we would stand by them.

1261
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 5: And to then say, well, we're not sure about your lifestyle.

1262
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 5: I mean I would have the same misgivings you have,

1263
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 5: But I don't think that justifies us saying you're going

1264
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 5: to have to past some sort of test and be

1265
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 5: satisfied with you having your teeth done. I don't think

1266
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 5: it's going to fly.

1267
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 8: So we want the.

1268
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 23: Best outcome for the people, don't we? So we need

1269
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 23: to find that out. Are we handing out cash to

1270
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 23: make ourselves feel better as a nation and to make

1271
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 23: ourselves feel better? I think probably you need to do

1272
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 23: all the work you can around it to say what's

1273
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 23: going to be the best thing for the people that

1274
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 23: have faced this terrible, terrible thing. And if the money's

1275
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 23: not going to help them, then what else will? But

1276
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 23: something needs to be done.

1277
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, something does need to be done. I would

1278
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 2: agree with that. All right, we'll take a break thirteen

1279
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: away from six.

1280
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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty unparalleled reach

1281
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: and results.

1282
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 2: Right back to the Huddle, clear to law Matt Heath,

1283
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: now Claire. Apparently the Republicans have been told to stop

1284
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 2: calling Karmela a diversity higher. Do you think that's a

1285
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: good idea?

1286
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, who would have thought you'd have to

1287
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 5: be telling them that? But look at them stop smacked.

1288
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 5: I mean, she's been there hiding and playing sight the

1289
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 5: whole time Biden's being president. She's been a very quiet

1290
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 5: and conspicuous sport advice president. But she has really changed

1291
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 5: the game. And now they're saying, for example, you know

1292
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 5: she's too bad, she's two Asian, too liberal, she laughs

1293
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 5: too much apparently, and of course there's been a lot

1294
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 5: of focus on what they call her word sellers. But

1295
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 5: I don't think that I'm having changed the game. The

1296
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 5: Republicans are now scrambling Tory and have a streak of

1297
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 5: decency in the campaign which was clearly going to be

1298
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 5: aimed at taking Joe Biden apart, and so now they're

1299
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 5: having to look at themselves and work out how are

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Speaker 5: they going to continue in their merry way without alienating

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Speaker 5: are the women who It was surprising to me the

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Speaker 5: number of women who voted to Crump when he asked

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Speaker 5: became president. Astonishingly, he attracted a lot of voters. And

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Speaker 5: so this time around, I think she has changed it

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Speaker 5: a game that is political game.

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Speaker 2: I think the reason, Matt, why they've been told to

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Speaker 2: stop calling her diversity higher is because actually the fact

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Speaker 2: that she is a black lady and a lady is

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Speaker 2: actually some of her best attributes. Yeah, what's exciting her voters?

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Speaker 23: I know, But it's a classic playbook, isn't it from

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Speaker 23: the Washington Post, who's deeply biased, And it's a classic

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Speaker 23: line for them to blame a whole side for the

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Speaker 23: You find the worst people from one side and blame

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Speaker 23: the whole side for it. And it doesn't really work

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Speaker 23: because all those people that you're saying, oh, you Republican

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Speaker 23: Republicans are like that. That's half the country and most

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Speaker 23: of them know they aren't what they're being told they

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Speaker 23: are so deplorable.

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Speaker 2: Argument, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 23: So if you know, until the Democratic Party realize that

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Speaker 23: there's something of worth on the other side and not

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Speaker 23: just picking the worst examples and ragging on it, then

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Speaker 23: they can continue to have problems as a party, and

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Speaker 23: that goes for the other side as well. Just picking

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Speaker 23: the worst examples doesn't work because the people that are

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Speaker 23: voting for Republicans, many of them know they're not that

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Speaker 23: person that you describe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair point, Now clear, listen to you use headphones.

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Speaker 5: Not very much. I lose them a lot, but I

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Speaker 5: don't use them as much as those.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you've got perfect hearing, then you won't have

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Speaker 2: a problem at all.

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Speaker 5: Well, I've got pretty good hearing. My husband used to

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Speaker 5: say I mumbled a lot, but when he got hearing it,

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Speaker 5: my mumbling was sure.

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Speaker 2: What a surprise you though, Matt. This is your industry, right.

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Speaker 2: You have to every day, for hours on and end,

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Speaker 2: have headphones on your head. Are you aware of keeping

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Speaker 2: that volume down?

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Speaker 23: It's terrifying. How much of abuse my hearing over the years.

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Speaker 23: I can't believe I can hear it at all. Some

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Speaker 23: bands for years. I never took any steps at all

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Speaker 23: to protect my hearing. On the radio every day for

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Speaker 23: ten years now, I've had it on ridiculously loud.

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Speaker 2: You have it on laud.

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Speaker 3: I know it.

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Speaker 8: I know.

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Speaker 23: And my dad's got terrible hearing and he's got hearing

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Speaker 23: aids on. But further to that point about the things

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Speaker 23: that you hear when you get hearing aids. My dad

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Speaker 23: had to get a new car when he got his

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Speaker 23: hearing aids in because he thought his car had been

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Speaker 23: showing off about how well it run got his hearing

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Speaker 23: aids in and then it was realized it was a

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Speaker 23: rattling piece of crap and had to invest in a

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Speaker 23: new vehicle. So there's downsides of that as well. But yeah,

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Speaker 23: I'm going to pay. I'm going to pay the piper

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Speaker 23: for it. And I think if anyone has the discipline

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Speaker 23: to look after their hearing, do it, and do it well,

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Speaker 23: do it while you're young. But how do you tell

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Speaker 23: kids to turn their How do you tell kids to

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Speaker 23: turn their personal headphones down when you don't even know

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Speaker 23: what volume they've got in their headphones. So you can

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Speaker 23: go into the phone and put the limit or on,

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Speaker 23: but they're going to turn it off, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And it's just another thing to nag them about, which

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Speaker 2: is irritating.

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Speaker 8: Guys.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to both of you, appreciate it. Matt Heath

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Speaker 2: radiohod I could cleared the Lord journalist.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home Heather dupleic Allen drive

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Speaker 1: with one New zealand one giant leap for business news

1374
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Speaker 1: talk as it be.

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Speaker 2: Heathern. Matt was great. He was thoughtful, and he was

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Speaker 2: absent of the same old glib woke bs generalization's breath

1377
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Speaker 2: of fresh air. I'll make sure that to pass. No,

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Speaker 2: I won't. He's got a gigantic ego. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: guys already written a book. He doesn't need any more

1380
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Speaker 2: pumping of the ego, by the way, on the headphones thing, right,

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Speaker 2: And I do worry about kids for this because because

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Speaker 2: I've been around people who have been in broadcasting for

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Speaker 2: a very very long time, and so it was lucky

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Speaker 2: enough when I got into broadcasting in radio to kind

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Speaker 2: of be aware that you have to keep your headphones

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Speaker 2: turned down a little bit, you know, so you don't

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Speaker 2: actually start like I don't want to be I don't

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Speaker 2: want to lose my hearing unnaturally early. Let me tell you,

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Speaker 2: Darcy Watergrave, Andrew Dickens and Barry Soper did not get

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Speaker 2: that memo. Their headphones are shockingly loud, Like it is

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Speaker 2: shocking how loud these men have their headphones if they

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Speaker 2: are in the studio with me, right and they plug

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Speaker 2: their headphones in and then and then walk away from

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Speaker 2: them sometimes in order to just get a bit of peace,

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Speaker 2: because it's just constant noise. Sometimes in you know, in

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Speaker 2: my line of work, I will turn down the mon

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Speaker 2: in the studio, but as if they were on loud,

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Speaker 2: I can still hear it coming out of those men's headphones.

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Speaker 2: Now obviously I know this because Darcy is in the

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Speaker 2: studio with me, and Barry is in the studio with me,

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Speaker 2: and then they leave with these things blaring that I

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Speaker 2: can hear across the room. And Andrew. I think, how

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01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 2: do I know this about Andrew? Maybe because I've worked

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01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 2: in the studio after him or something like that and

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01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: being shocked when I put the headphones on. But anyway, look,

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01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: somebody needs it to be there, like an intervention. Help

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01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: them out, because those guys definitely going to need If

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01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 2: they don't already need, they're definitely going. I suspect they

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Speaker 2: already need it them. Is why the headphones are turned

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Speaker 2: up that loud. Heither do not laugh. My grandfather was

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Speaker 2: breastfeed until he was eight years old. It was during

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Speaker 2: the Depression and his lifelong nickname was Tuddy. I know

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Speaker 2: a woman who is roughly my age who was breastfed

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Speaker 2: until So we're not talking great depression here, like relying

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01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: on your mother's bast milk to survive. Look, we are

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Speaker 2: talking about somebody who's raised in the eighties and nineties

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Speaker 2: breastfeed until she was eight years old. That's weird. I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you, like I find it weird if you're still

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Speaker 2: breastfeeding it two and a half, I'm be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: But at eight or what's going on? Anyway, let's talk

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Speaker 2: about the old infant formula. Next day Newstalk st B.

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Speaker 1: If we're Business Insight the Business hour we're headed due

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Speaker 1: to c Allen and my Hr on New stalks B.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up in the next hour, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: chat to Howard Dan Now he's a former chair of

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Speaker 2: the Democratic National Convention. He's also a former governor of Verumont.

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Speaker 2: He'll talk us through Biden's speech today, Liam Dan Jamie McKay,

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Speaker 2: and then we'll head to the UK with one day

1429
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: to go until the Olympics kicks off right now at

1430
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Speaker 2: a seven past six. Now, unfortunately, it's not sounding very

1431
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 2: good for New Zealand on the issue of the infant formula.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand and Australian ministers met today to try to

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Speaker 2: figure out whether they wanted to accept new regulations for

1434
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Speaker 2: infant formula. We are yet to hear officially what happened,

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Speaker 2: but it's understood Australian ministers voted to adopt the rule

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Speaker 2: changes with me now as Jonathan Chew from the Infant

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Speaker 2: Nutrition Counsel. Hey, Jonathan, how are you going. I'm very well,

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Speaker 2: thank you. What have you heard?

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Speaker 25: I've heard the same thing. We're waiting for the official

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01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 25: communicator come out. But my understanding is the New Zealand

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Speaker 25: Minister Minster Hoggard did what he said he was going

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Speaker 25: to do. He asked for a review that was rejected

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Speaker 25: by the Australian ministers. So my understanding he has announced

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01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 25: that New Zealand will seek its own modification for the

1445
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Speaker 25: relevant standards right and.

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Speaker 2: Does that mean that we will we will be able

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Speaker 2: to do our own thing or not.

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Speaker 25: Yes, that's my understanding that New Zealand will exercise its

1449
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 25: right to seek its own modification for the standards relating

1450
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Speaker 25: to the labeling issues that we've been talking about and

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Speaker 25: possibly the restriction on sales for the low risk medical

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Speaker 25: purpose products as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so from your understanding, absolutely can opt out of

1454
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: the white labeling, which is where ever can has to

1455
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 2: look the same. But you're not sounding quite as confident

1456
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: about the sale and the supermarkets.

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Speaker 25: Why not, only because we haven't had the official word yet.

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Speaker 25: It's certainly open to the New Zealand government to opt

1459
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 25: out of both, and are really just waiting to see

1460
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Speaker 25: what the Communicat says and waiting for the Minister to

1461
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Speaker 25: let us know what the direction the New Zealand government's

1462
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Speaker 25: going to take. But they certainly have the option to

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Speaker 25: do both.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so problem solve, right, we're unaffected.

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Speaker 25: Well, I'm hoping that's the outcome again. You know, New

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Speaker 25: Zealand's sovereign country has the ability to do its own

1467
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Speaker 25: standards if it notifies the Zans it's not happy with

1468
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Speaker 25: the proposal as is. And the government stood up and

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01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 25: said that's what we were going to do. And we

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Speaker 25: welcomed the fact that they listened to industry and took

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Speaker 25: our concerns seriously and tried to get the reviews. And

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Speaker 25: because they were unsuccessful in convincing the Australians are now

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01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 25: looking to go their own way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, Jonathan, does this have any impact on us

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01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 2: in terms of our product on Australian's Australians supermarket shelves.

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Speaker 25: Again, there's a little bit of devil in the detail.

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01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 25: But my understanding news under the TTMRA agreement, if the

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01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 25: New Zealand product is manufactured in New Zealand for sale

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01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,520
Speaker 25: in New Zealand, then it can be exported to Australia

1480
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Speaker 25: as is. It doesn't need to have further modifications.

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Speaker 2: Why are the Australians going along with something as patently

1482
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 2: stupid as this?

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Speaker 25: Unfortunately, I think that there's an understanding or a belief

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Speaker 25: with some Australian ministers and officials that in order to

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Speaker 25: protect breastfeeding you have to make formula feeding as complicated

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Speaker 25: or as unappealing as possible. We say that you can

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Speaker 25: protect and promote breastfeeding by helping women who want and

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Speaker 25: can breastfeed have to have, you know, whatever barriers that

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Speaker 25: are stopping them removed, without creating complications and confusion for

1490
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Speaker 25: parents who have to rely on formula.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan, thank you very much for talking us through it.

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Speaker 2: As Jonathan Chew, the Infant Nutritional Council. Well, if the

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Speaker 2: Australians want to go down this wacky path, good, all

1494
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 2: power to them and hopefully we hold out forever on it.

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01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 2: I've got a little bit more fallout for you on

1496
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 2: the gas supply shortage, which we've been talking about a

1497
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: fair bit on the program. As you know, we are

1498
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 2: running into some serious problems getting gas out of the

1499
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Speaker 2: ground at the moment. This is a little bit about that,

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Speaker 2: but also just also the general mess that the electricity

1501
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 2: market is and in general electric key We is now

1502
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 2: not accepting any new customers for the time being. Raw

1503
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 2: Energy has closed, Flick isn't offering wholesale pricing at the

1504
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: moment anymore, and an outfit called Energy Club end Z

1505
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: has also closed and it's given its customers to contact now.

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Speaker 2: The reason that this is happening, apparently is that the

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01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 2: wholesale market has quote completely blown up. So what's happened

1508
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 2: is that apparently in the last six months, wholesale electricity

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01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: prices have gone up by nearly fifty percent, which is massive.

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Speaker 2: Some say it's maybe gone up by another quarter just

1511
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 2: in the last week, which means for some of them

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01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 2: that what they're paying for electricity is now more than

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 2: what they are charging us, so they're basically making a

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01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 2: loss by supplying electricity to us. And the reason for

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01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 2: that is because a the gas supply shortage problem. There

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01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 2: is that instead of burning gas like we would have

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01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: or could have, we are now burning more coal. Coal

1518
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 2: is more expensive, pushes up the price of electricity. But

1519
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: also the hydro lakes are lower than they normally would

1520
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: be at this time of the year, so than the

1521
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 2: hydro generators are conserving their storage so they can get

1522
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 2: through the winter demand. That's putting up the price of

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01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: electricity as well. And also the usual problem there is

1524
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: an underbuild of power supply, which is, you know, decades

1525
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 2: in the making. It probably will last for decades as well.

1526
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 2: So anyway, the point of all of this is to

1527
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: tell you brace yourself, because it looks like electricity is

1528
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 2: just going to get more and more pricey unfortunately.

1529
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:37,480
Speaker 1: Twelve past six, crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: It's Heather duplic Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to

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01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 1: my HR, the HR platform for SME on us talksb.

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01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 2: Right, it's quarter past six. Liam Dan, the Herald's Business

1533
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 2: editor at largeres with me at the moment Hey, Liam, Good,

1534
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 2: So the INSIDEX fifty is up about six percent in

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01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 2: the past month.

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Speaker 26: Why, Yeah, well, I guess it's all to do with

1537
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 26: the interest rates starting turn and all that optimism and

1538
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 26: green shoots that we're talking about. So what happens is,

1539
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 26: you know, the last time it really boomed was with

1540
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 26: all that COVID stimulus money was there and interest rates

1541
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 26: were extremely low, and it's been tracking sideways since about

1542
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 26: twenty twenty one. But yeah, it's finally gone past the

1543
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 26: point about twelve zerousand odds on the index where it

1544
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 26: was on February twenty one, twenty twenty when it collapsed.

1545
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 26: So we started going weird with COVID, and it's at

1546
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 26: its highest point in two years. And yeah, it's suddenly

1547
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 26: looking like a more interesting place. You've got the Warehouse

1548
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 26: takeover play. Obviously, Stephen Tindall's got a big plan and everything,

1549
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 26: but still the timing is not a coincidence. Warehouse was

1550
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 26: very cheap, and you've got Vida, the retirement village operator

1551
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 26: that's often related to property retirement villages, and so that's

1552
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 26: a play. And look, there are people in the market

1553
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 26: suggesting that we may see more of this because you know,

1554
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 26: in these cycles. Yeah, because what happens is the smart

1555
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 26: money sits on the side during the bit when interest

1556
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 26: rates are high and you're doing all right with it

1557
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 26: sitting in the bank, and the share price the shares

1558
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 26: don't do so well, and then as soon as they

1559
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 26: see the first glimmer of hope that that's turning, which

1560
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 26: is ahead of you know, the economy is terrible still,

1561
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 26: but there are signs of life out there. The signs

1562
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 26: of life are what they're looking for in the turn

1563
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 26: of the cycle. And then countercyclical, I guess is what

1564
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 26: you call it. They're starting to come in.

1565
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,480
Speaker 2: Do we know what sectors we're going to be talking about.

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01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 26: Well, I think anything with like people are talking about

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01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 26: the retirement for the sector of the or other player,

1568
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 26: retail and property. These are sectors that have really struggled

1569
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 26: and there is presumably some bargains out there in the

1570
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 26: eyes of shear market investors. It is complicated a little

1571
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 26: bit by the US because they've got a tech bubble.

1572
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 26: The same things happen in the US with the bulk

1573
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 26: of the stock. So if you look at the bulk

1574
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 26: of the S and P five hundred, it's also been

1575
01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 26: in the doldrums and should start pick up. But there's

1576
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 26: about seven stocks in the US and Video and Meta

1577
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 26: and Tesla and Google Alpha, the amazing seven or magnificent

1578
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 26: magnificent seven. Yeah, and they have really propped up everything

1579
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 26: for the last two years, and so they're unfortunately they're

1580
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 26: on the brink of everyone talking about a bubble and

1581
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 26: so so you could see them collapse, but you should

1582
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 26: also hopefully they don't collapse. Hopefully they just come off

1583
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 26: gently and we see the real world stocks, you know,

1584
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 26: the retailers and the manufacturers and all that sort of

1585
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 26: thing ought to start coming back in the US as well.

1586
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 26: So yeah, it's just just suddenly noticed that there's a

1587
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 26: bit of action out there, and there's a bit of

1588
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 26: excitement in the markets about this because this is what

1589
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 26: this is what the Shehaer investors wait for, you know

1590
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 26: that the really sharp players.

1591
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Hey, listen, by the way, on interest rates,

1592
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 2: which you mentioned just before, when are you picking the cup?

1593
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 6: Then?

1594
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 26: Well, I don't think it can be August, I think,

1595
01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 26: but I look the just the banks of movie already

1596
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 26: a little bit and that might have done a.

1597
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 2: Little bit of a job. Not August. Are you saying

1598
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 2: October could be. I just want to remind you that

1599
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 2: I've been saying November to you, Liam for the longest time,

1600
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: and me you'd be telling me I'm wrong, and now look.

1601
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 26: Yeah, well, yeah, the things turned fad in No, I think,

1602
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 26: I think. Yeah, I mean, if if you go through

1603
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 26: all the ups and downs, it's about where we started,

1604
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 26: where we thought it would be at the start of

1605
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 26: the year.

1606
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 2: Oh oh, is that what you're doing? Are you saying

1607
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 2: you called this ages go and then changed your mind.

1608
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 2: Now you're going back to your original one.

1609
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, oh okay, yeah, absolutely.

1610
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 2: Well I can't disprove that, so I'm going to have to.

1611
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 26: Just probably could you'd probably go through all my columns.

1612
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 2: Actually, now that I've thought, now, I'm going to do

1613
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 2: a word search of your columns and find fine.

1614
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 26: No, I'll tell you what I did call I called

1615
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 26: a seven percent interest rate peak about two years ago,

1616
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 26: and that's where we landed.

1617
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 2: Okay, well you can have that one then, thank you.

1618
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 2: Le I don't know why this has turned into a

1619
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 2: weird competition between us, but I am to blame for that. Liam.

1620
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 2: Thank you. Liam Dan the Herald's Business editor at large,

1621
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 2: in the fact that he is the business editor at

1622
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 2: large has listened to him, not me. Nineteen past six. Hey,

1623
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 2: I mentioned in the show earlier on five twenty two.

1624
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: By the way, I six twenty two, I mentioned in

1625
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 2: the show earlier on that Joe Biden's given his first

1626
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 2: speech since pulling out of the presidential race. It's pretty

1627
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 2: formal affairs, addressing the nation. Sitting behind the was it

1628
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 2: the what is it the resolute desk or something like that?

1629
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 2: What it is here behind you know, in the Oval office?

1630
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 2: And he kind of rewrote history because he tried to

1631
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 2: paint himself as a martyr who sacrificed his personal ambition

1632
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 2: for the greater good of the nation and democracy, when

1633
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 2: actually we know that he had to be dragged kicking

1634
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 2: and screaming for three weeks from his plan to run.

1635
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 2: But here he is.

1636
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 9: I reviewed this office. But I love my country more.

1637
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 9: It's been the honor of my life to serve as

1638
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 9: your president. But in the defensive democracy, which is a stake,

1639
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 9: I think it's more important than any title.

1640
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 2: Jason, he sounded old. Well he's not old, is it?

1641
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 2: He's got Parkinson's? He sounded like he's got it, hasn't he?

1642
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 9: Someb of the words of Benjamin Franklin's hanging on my

1643
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 9: wall here in the old office, alongside the bust of

1644
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 9: doctor King and Rosa Parks, and says O Chavez when

1645
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 9: Van Franklin was asked as he emerged from the.

1646
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,759
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's enough. I can't handle it anymore. Anyway,

1647
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Howard. Had to stop it.

1648
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 2: It gets worse, but it's just you don't need any

1649
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:07,759
Speaker 2: more of that. We've had enough of it, haven't we. Anyway,

1650
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 2: Howard Dean, who's the former chair of the National Democratic

1651
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 2: Convention and also the former governor of mont is going

1652
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 2: to be with us just after the news was just

1653
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 2: coming up the half our six news. We'll have a

1654
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 2: chat to him about what was going on there and

1655
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 2: if people going to buy this nonsense from Joe Biden.

1656
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

1657
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: A rural report on the Heather Duper see Alan Drive

1658
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:28,480
Speaker 1: with Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's Finest Beef and Lamb Jamie.

1659
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: Mckaie, Host of the Countries. It has been our Hey, Jimi,

1660
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 2: Hello Heather.

1661
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 22: I watched his speech from the Resolute disc God didn't

1662
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 22: realize it was called that either the poor old bugger

1663
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 22: couldn't even read the autoqu promptly. He should have gone

1664
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 22: months ago. Anyhow, that is what it is, and Carmela's

1665
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 22: sort of put a bit of spark into the race again.

1666
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 2: Yeah for now, for now, Jamie, I think it's going

1667
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 2: to wear off, because then everybody's going to be reminded

1668
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 2: very shortly of why they didn't like her in twenty twenty.

1669
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 2: But anyway, we'll just let them go through that lit

1670
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 2: the process by themselves. What do you make of this

1671
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 2: situation with the tamanow to why statement in the Otago

1672
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 2: Regional Council and the potential cost of like fifty thousand

1673
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 2: dollars a ratepayer.

1674
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 22: Hey, just before we go to that, Heather, and I'm

1675
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 22: not ducking for cover hair. I'm just going into bat

1676
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 22: for Barry Soaper, Darcy water Grave and Andrew Dickins and

1677
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:15,759
Speaker 22: those other.

1678
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 2: How a your Headphonesmie.

1679
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 22: Well, look, I'm not like Winston Peters who wears headphones underneath,

1680
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 22: so he wears the bit that goes over the top.

1681
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 22: He wears it underneath his chin so as not in

1682
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 22: the hair here. But I have all and all my

1683
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 22: thirty years in radio, I've just been on one air

1684
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 22: man so that has given me an issue in one air.

1685
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 22: I'm a bit deaf in one ear all the time. Yep,

1686
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 22: same air left there all the time. So my riot

1687
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 22: has got much better hearing because I find it there's

1688
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 22: someone in the studio, it's actually better to one ear

1689
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 22: on them. But anyhow, I digress. Are we But the

1690
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 22: other reason I'm slightly deaf, my wife would say totally deaf,

1691
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 22: is because as a young twenty year old I spent

1692
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 22: all winter on a chainsaw chopping down trees and we

1693
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 22: didn't wear ear musk.

1694
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 2: You really, one winter was enough to do that damage?

1695
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 22: What's that?

1696
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if your joke he

1697
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 2: picked up on my joke.

1698
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 22: You picked up on my joke.

1699
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 2: Okay, good, thank god. Okay, listen, tell me what you

1700
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 2: think about the cost for the tomno or to wipe statements.

1701
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 22: Oh look, I see. I probably can't tell you what

1702
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 22: I raally think because I would be canceled. Look someone's

1703
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 22: got to stand up, and I think David Semo was

1704
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 22: doing this and say look, enough is enough when it

1705
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 22: comes to this sort of stuff. I heard Luke Cain

1706
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 22: talking to you at five thirty, one hundred and ten

1707
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 22: million for a couple of small towns four to five

1708
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 22: hundred people fifty thousand dollars per right payer, obviously not

1709
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 22: sustainable over the Otago region that would mean billions of

1710
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 22: dollars effectively. Look, this is the Otago Regional Council and

1711
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 22: I don't know how did they actually get around to

1712
01:19:59,320 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 22: giving you a state?

1713
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 2: Yes, but and I was actually going to get around

1714
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 2: to talking about it. In the statement, they don't really

1715
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 2: answer the question. So we've asked will the cost of

1716
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: this be released to the public, and their answer is

1717
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 2: that there is not a separate cost of applying tem

1718
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: on all TiO y, which is just b Yes, there

1719
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 2: obviously is a separate cost. They just don't want to

1720
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 2: talk about it.

1721
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 22: This is an organization that's dysfunctional, you know, and they

1722
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 22: would be better off rather than worrying about this, try

1723
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 22: and do something about their rates, which were projected to

1724
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Speaker 22: be twenty one point three percent. They have slashed them

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01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 22: heather the good for the goodness from the goodness of

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01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 22: their heart, to just eighteen point six percent for the

1727
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 22: current year. They run the buses here in Dunedin and

1728
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 22: literally they couldn't run a bath. But getting back to

1729
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 22: the other one. Look, all this nonsense about water going

1730
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 22: can't be put into a waterway if it's passed through

1731
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 22: a human body. And the other one, what's the other one?

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01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 2: The other one is you can't take it from one

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01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: water body like one stream and put into the other.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, which is a load of bollocks because the likes

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01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 22: of I think it's the the Manahirakia water races have

1736
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 22: been going for a century now and they draw water

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01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 22: from one water body and discharge to another. Look, it's

1738
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 22: just got out of control. And I hope the Otago

1739
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 22: I just hope the ratepayers and the people of Otago

1740
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 22: get stuck into the Otago Regional Council. There a disgrace.

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Speaker 2: If you ask me, I agree with you, Jamie, Thank

1742
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 2: you very much, Jamie mckaye, Host of the Country from

1743
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 2: Steve Heather Slow clap for David Parker water Muppet headlines.

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01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 17: Next, everything from SMEs to the big corporates of a

1745
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 17: Business Hour.

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01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: With Heather Duple c Allen and my HR the HR

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01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 1: platform for sme US talks.

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Speaker 8: They'd be.

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01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 18: Mee.

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01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 2: I regards to the UK shortly because we are one

1751
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 2: day away from the opening ceremony. Well, I mean it

1752
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 2: it's stay and a half right because for us it's

1753
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 2: Saturday morning, but it's one day away from the Olympic

1754
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 2: opening ceremony. But here we are at twenty four to seven,

1755
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 2: and we need to talk about Joe Biden. So US

1756
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 2: President Joe Biden this afternoon. It's made his first oval

1757
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 2: office speech since he announced he wouldn't run for president again.

1758
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 9: I review of this office, but I love my country more.

1759
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 9: It's been the honor of my life to serve as

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01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 9: your president, but in the defense of democracy, which is

1761
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 9: a stake I think is more important than any title.

1762
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 2: Now it comes as Republicans have started have been told

1763
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 2: by their bosses that they should no longer attack Karmala

1764
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 2: Harris for what they're calling it being a di DEI higher.

1765
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 2: That's DEI stands for diversity, equality inclusion. They're essentially calling

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01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 2: her basically a person who's been picked because of her

1767
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 2: color and her gender. Dean is a former chair of

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01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 2: the Democratic National Convention, also former government governor of Vermonte.

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Speaker 11: Howard Hi, thanks for having me.

1770
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're welcome.

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01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 8: Listen.

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01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 2: Joe Biden's doing a very good job of acting like

1773
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: he's a victim here who's sacrificing his own ambition for

1774
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 2: the good of the country. Do you reckon people are

1775
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 2: going to buy it?

1776
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 19: Well, the people who like him are, and the people

1777
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 19: who are don't like him aren't going to buy it.

1778
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 8: But I buy it.

1779
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 19: I mean to give up your political I can't. Can

1780
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 19: you imagine Trump doing something like this. He doesn't have

1781
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 19: a bone of self sacrifice in his body.

1782
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:30,759
Speaker 2: The reason I don't buy it is because I watched

1783
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 2: him take three and a half weeks and he didn't

1784
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 2: really he didn't really want to write. He held out

1785
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 2: as long as he couldn't as long as he could.

1786
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 2: So it seems to be like a slight rewriting of history.

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01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 19: Well, you may end up in this job, you're in

1788
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 19: a similar situation yourself one day, and you won't think

1789
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 19: so how much how it? Well, I had to go

1790
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 19: through the same thing when I lost a race that

1791
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 19: I was expected to win the nomination for. And it's

1792
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 19: incredibly painful when you've come as long as he had

1793
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 19: and then your dream is over, and it takes a

1794
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 19: while to recognize that.

1795
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 2: I mean, he's doing a pretty good job of making sure,

1796
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 2: sort of setting up the narrative for his presidency isn't he.

1797
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Speaker 19: Yeah, And I think it's correct I personally, and I

1798
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 19: don't know Biden particularly well, I personally believe that Biden

1799
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 19: has been the most effective president since Lynnon Johnson on

1800
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:27,879
Speaker 19: a domestic agenda, Well, he's pretty extruct the first president

1801
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 19: of seriously tackled climate change. He has totally redone the

1802
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 19: manufacturing business. He's put hundreds of thousands of jobs, mostly

1803
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 19: into states that are not going to vote for him,

1804
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 19: such as chip jobs, battery jobs, electric car jobs. Brought

1805
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 19: those home. He got us through COVID after Trump screwed

1806
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 19: it all up in advised everybody to drink bleach and

1807
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 19: that would fix their to fix them right up. So

1808
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 19: I think he's a guy of tremendous accomplishments. Is he

1809
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 19: a guy of tremendous ambition? Sure, but it's pretty easy

1810
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 19: to for give that when you're the president of the

1811
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 19: United States.

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01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 2: Well, a thing that was pointed out to me that

1813
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 2: was missing from the speech was like a really full throated,

1814
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 2: wholehearted endorsement of how awesome Kamala Harris was. Why was

1815
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 2: that missing?

1816
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 19: Because it's not appropriate if you're given time by the

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01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 19: networks to terrest the whole country. It's not expected to

1818
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 19: be a partisan speech. I actually thought it was a

1819
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 19: little bit more partisan than I expected. But you're really

1820
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 19: not expected to give a point. They would have had

1821
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 19: to give equal time to Trump to make a speech

1822
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 19: if she had gone off on politics.

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01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 2: That's a really good point. What do you make of

1824
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 2: the excitement around Kamala Harris's campaign? Is it surprising you?

1825
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 19: No, She's young, and I think it's long overdue to

1826
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 19: switch generation from my generation and Trump's generation and Biden's

1827
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 19: generation to the next generation. Harris is I think fifty

1828
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 19: nine years old, more than twenty years younger than Biden

1829
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 19: and almost twenty years younger than Trump. So now that

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01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 19: she was on the other foot, do we want an

1831
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 19: old coajure of declining mental capacity like Trump or do

1832
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 19: we want somebody who's younger and and more ready to

1833
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 19: take on the responsibilities. The other issue is that I

1834
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 19: think is incredibly helpful is young people have been totally

1835
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 19: disinterested in this election, partly because of the age of

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01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 19: the contestants.

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01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 11: Now they have somebody that they can relate to.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the excitement that she's got on the

1839
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 2: kind of honeymoon period of her campaign will last.

1840
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 19: I think it will, but not the way it is today.

1841
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 19: You know, this is going to be this is a

1842
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 19: tough slog It's the most powerful job in the world,

1843
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 19: and you know there's going to be a lot of

1844
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 19: blood on the tracks before we get done with this,

1845
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:33,799
Speaker 19: on both sides.

1846
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 11: So it'll be a tough, brutal race.

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01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 19: But it is incredibly you know, the United States has

1848
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 19: never had a woman running the show, and this is

1849
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 19: the first chance. They turned it down with Hillary and

1850
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 19: put Trump in, which was of course turned out to

1851
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 19: be a bad mistake, and now we'll have a chance

1852
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 19: to do something different, and I do think that's going

1853
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 19: to be incredibly appealing to young people.

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01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 2: Do you reckon that Americans are ready for a female president.

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01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 11: I think they are, but we'll I goin to find

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01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 11: that out in November.

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01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1858
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, how will we even know, because it

1859
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 2: may be that they're just not ready for a female

1860
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 2: black president.

1861
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,719
Speaker 19: Well, they may not be ready for a black president.

1862
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 19: The Republicans certainly aren't. They're always using a user and

1863
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 19: a race to get to the presidency. The Republican's basic

1864
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 19: platform is hate and anger, and there are a lot

1865
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 19: of people flying into that these days because they don't

1866
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 19: have jobs, they don't have college educations. But Biden actually

1867
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 19: comes from that class. He came from a working class family,

1868
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 19: and I think he's done a lot for working class people.

1869
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:35,640
Speaker 19: But Trump, you know, I think Trump is probably a lunatic,

1870
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 19: but he is a very skillful lunatic in the sense

1871
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 19: that he knows how to push the anger button and

1872
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 19: take advantage of people who haven't done so well and

1873
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 19: are upset about it. Plus the usual right wing crackpot

1874
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 19: conservatives and all that stuff.

1875
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 11: So it's an interesting coalition Trump has.

1876
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 19: I think people are going to want to move on

1877
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 19: from that, and I think having a fifty nine year

1878
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 19: old black female president is a great way to do it.

1879
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 2: Hey, So what fascinates me is that the Republicans have

1880
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 2: been told to stop calling her a dei higher Now.

1881
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 2: That suggests to me that they want to stop that

1882
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 2: because they realize that actually being a black woman is

1883
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 2: a point for her that's actually a good point, not

1884
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 2: a negative point. Is that how you read it?

1885
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 19: Well, I think it probably is a is that's part

1886
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 19: of it. But I think the real issue is there

1887
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 19: are a lot of middle class women in the suburbs

1888
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 19: who used to ly in Republican now have been turned

1889
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 19: off by Trump. That's why Biden won in Georgia, which

1890
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 19: was really unexpected last time. So I think it's more fear.

1891
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 19: I mean, I think the Republican leadership is just as

1892
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 19: racist as the Republican backbenchers. It's just that they are

1893
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 19: understanding that if they lose Republican women in the suburbs,

1894
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 19: they lose the election, which is exactly what happened when

1895
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 19: Biden won. And it's exactly how Raphael, we're not. We

1896
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 19: have a black man and a Jewish man as senators

1897
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 19: from Georgia in the Deep South. That would not have

1898
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 19: happened had it not been for Trump and the decay

1899
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 19: of the Republican descent to the Republican Party and to

1900
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 19: hate and anger.

1901
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 2: Howard, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for

1902
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 2: your time, mate, look after yourself. That's Howard Dean, the

1903
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: former chair of the Democratic National Convention, also the former

1904
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 2: governor of Vermont. Heather, it's okay to admit you're a

1905
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 2: secret fan of Trump. No critique of Trump's and coherent

1906
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 2: speech at the Republican Convention from you, But Biden you're

1907
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 2: all over it, mate. That's because it's all anybody's talking

1908
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 2: about in American politics today. But I'm not a secret

1909
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 2: fan of Trump, but I am going to tell you

1910
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 2: the truth. I do want Trump to win because it's

1911
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 2: just going to be more fun. Like I've never I've

1912
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 2: never hid in this fact, right. I find Trump hilarious.

1913
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 2: And also I think that people who complain about Trump

1914
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 2: need to get a grip. He's not as bad as

1915
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 2: people have said, Like there have been some wins for example,

1916
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to back this up now,

1917
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 2: So here we go. Okay, who was it who pulled

1918
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 2: out of Afghanistan? Just like that? Left people behind? It

1919
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 2: was a complete cluster, left behind, billions of dollars worth

1920
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 2: of equipment, left interpreters who'd been helping the Americans to

1921
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 2: basically be at the mercy of the Taliban. Who did that?

1922
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 2: Who did that? Who made that massive, enormous, calamatous mistake.

1923
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 2: That's right, Joe Biden. If it was Trump, we would

1924
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 2: be talking about what a moro on the guy is.

1925
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 2: But because it's Joe Biden, we're like, ah, what a

1926
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 2: strategic error. No, that's like, how there is no there

1927
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 2: is no there is no fairness in the way that

1928
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 2: we judge these two men. On the other hand, if

1929
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 2: you go and read various accounts of how Trump actually

1930
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 2: treated Afghanistan, you will find that there is a reasonable

1931
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 2: amount of evidence to suggest that he actually did a

1932
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 2: much better job of managing up to that point, up

1933
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 2: to the point that he was there the slow withdrawal

1934
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 2: from Afghanistan and was said to have actually followed his

1935
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 2: general's advice. So between the two of them, who was

1936
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 2: better in the Afghanistan situation? Trump by a mile. So

1937
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Speaker 2: I think that I just have this tiny little thing,

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Speaker 2: and I think that people have got a bit of

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Speaker 2: Trump derangement syndrome. So so I don't think Trump's as

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Speaker 2: scary as everybody else. And I also think he's hilarious,

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Speaker 2: So we heaps more fun than Kamala Harris Aresma case

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Speaker 2: sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it manice to you

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Speaker 1: the Business Hour with hither duplicy Allen and my HR

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Speaker 1: the HR platform for sme US talk.

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Speaker 2: Said b Vincent mcavinie is our UK correspondent this evening, Evansent.

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Speaker 27: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Do we know yet why that guy stabbed the British

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Speaker 2: Army officer?

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Speaker 27: No, we don't know yet this was a British Army

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Speaker 27: officer who was stabbed near his barracks in Kent on Tuesday.

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Speaker 27: We are told in hospital that he is in a

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Speaker 27: serious but stable condition. He was in his uniform. He's

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Speaker 27: in his forties and he was attacked.

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Speaker 8: And near his home.

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Speaker 27: A twenty four year old man has been arrested on

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Speaker 27: suspicion of attempted murder. There were lots of public witnesses

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Speaker 27: to this. It was a pretty horrific incident. He was

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Speaker 27: stabbed multiple times. It's not entirely sure, but the police

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Speaker 27: say they are exploring the possibility of a mental health

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Speaker 27: related offense crisis as it were.

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Speaker 2: All right, listen, what were these Just Stop Oil activists

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Speaker 2: doing at the airport?

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Speaker 27: Well, Heathrow Airport is not only Britain's but Europe's busiest

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Speaker 27: airport as well, and Just Stop Oil of course have

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Speaker 27: been trying to do direct action protests for some time

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Speaker 27: and they were arrested a group of ten of them

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Speaker 27: at Heathrow where they were detained near the airport and

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Speaker 27: taken into custody on suspicion of conspiring to interfere with

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Speaker 27: a site of key national infrastructure under the public Order Act.

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Speaker 27: So what they think is going to happen was they

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Speaker 27: were going to do something to try and disrupt directly

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Speaker 27: the grounds, the two runways. They're perhaps breaking through the

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Speaker 27: fences and then trying, as we've seen with other protests

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Speaker 27: around the world, to sort of glue themselves or attach

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Speaker 27: themselves to runways to try and stop the flights of

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Speaker 27: the planes. But this happens after a number of Just

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Speaker 27: Stop Oil protesters received pretty strong prison sentences, long jail

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Speaker 27: terms for five members of that group, sentences of four

1980
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Speaker 27: and five years for disrupting the M twenty five motorway

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Speaker 27: back in twenty twenty two, which has led to some

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Speaker 27: shock in the group about how strong the justice system

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Speaker 27: has come down on them.

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Speaker 2: That makes me more happy than I can tell you

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Speaker 2: that there shots they're getting in trouble from a pr perspective.

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Speaker 2: And so why do these people keep doing this? I mean,

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Speaker 2: they are not winning friends, No.

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Speaker 3: They're not.

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Speaker 27: On Some say they're sort of hurting the group, I think,

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Speaker 27: especially earlier this summer when the group broke through and

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Speaker 27: spray painted Stonehenge. They used what they said was the

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Speaker 27: non damaging sort of concoction of paint and powder to

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Speaker 27: spray it, but many people were completely alarmed by that.

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Speaker 27: In fact, a Japanese tourist that was there just simply

1995
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Speaker 27: ran over and tried to pull them off. And though

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Speaker 27: the paint has washed off, there was a sort of

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Speaker 27: special kind of a fauna that is on the stones

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Speaker 27: that scientists did think might have been damaged by the spray,

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Speaker 27: but it completely backfired on them. There wasn't anyone that

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Speaker 27: was thought it was a good idea to go to

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Speaker 27: such a sensitive site and trying to face it like that.

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Speaker 2: No too right, Hey, listen, this is quite said, so

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Speaker 2: Andy Murray, that's it.

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Speaker 27: This is it, the Paris Olympics. I will be there

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Speaker 27: from this weekend, hopefully see him playing on a Monday. Actually,

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Speaker 27: if he manages to get through to the second round.

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Speaker 27: After a two decades long professional tennis career, it is

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Speaker 27: going to be his final professional tournament. He's played in

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Speaker 27: all the Olympics since Beijing. He's won gold medals, and

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Speaker 27: it's somewhere that he's always clearly, you know, sometime some

2011
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Speaker 27: professional sorts people don't really like Olympics, but he's always

2012
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Speaker 27: seemed to really enjoy it. And it will be the

2013
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Speaker 27: end of his career. After he lost outs in Wimbledon.

2014
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Speaker 27: Recently he was playing in the doubles with his brother.

2015
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Speaker 27: He was going to play in the mixed doubles with

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Speaker 27: ed around Akanu and then she called time on that

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Speaker 27: because of an injury. But no, this will be his

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Speaker 27: sort of final swan song. And everyone here in Europe

2019
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Speaker 27: getting pretty excited about the prospect of those Olympics kicking

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Speaker 27: off tomorrow, the big opening ceremony on the Sene River

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Speaker 27: as well, unlike any that's been attempted before, big security

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Speaker 27: concerns for it, but if they pull it off, it

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Speaker 27: could be pretty spectacular. And rumors as well of some

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Speaker 27: of the acts being spotted in the city. Lady Gaga

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Speaker 27: is thought to be performing Leaned You On as well,

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Speaker 27: her first performance in years, as she recovers or attempts

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Speaker 27: to sort of get back to some form of normality

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Speaker 27: from her stiff person syndrome that she has been suffering from.

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Speaker 2: Vincent, thank you appreciate it. You're off there very shortly,

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Speaker 2: if not tomorrow, so go well and enjoy it. That's

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Speaker 2: Vincent mcaviney, a UK correspondents listen on the Olympics. This

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Speaker 2: is what's happening overnight so I watched the rugby this morning,

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Speaker 2: did you. The two year old loves watching rugby, so

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Speaker 2: we had to watch the rugby. It was a treat

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Speaker 2: which immediately regretted because it's very hard to get his

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Speaker 2: breakfast into him at that point. But anyway, you know,

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Speaker 2: we tried. So tomorrow two thirty rugby seven's men's pool

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Speaker 2: match versus Ireland. So that's the New Zealand game versus Ireland.

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Speaker 2: Then three am you've got football that says the controversial

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Speaker 2: game football Ferns versus the Cheetahs Canada. And then at

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Speaker 2: seven am to eight am you've got the rugby sevens

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Speaker 2: men's quarterfinal. If we qualify, we will be in that.

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Speaker 2: Heads up if you're an Auckland or Ye cuttle Since

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Speaker 2: has just put out a bit of a warning, bit

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Speaker 2: of a worrying statement. They say, if you want an

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Speaker 2: ambulance in Auckland or y couple, you're not going to

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Speaker 2: be able necessarily to get one straight away. They say

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Speaker 2: that there is a significant surge in respiratory illnesses, including covid,

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Speaker 2: influenza and other viruses. It's affecting them and it is

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Speaker 2: just putting extreme demand on them. At no point that

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Speaker 2: I can see. Let me just quickly scan now. At

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Speaker 2: no point that I can see in the statement do

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Speaker 2: they mention the fact that they also have a significant

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Speaker 2: strike going on that almost certainly will be affecting their

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Speaker 2: ability to respond to you. But yeah, it's the respiratory illnesses. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you want an inspirational story, standby, I've got a

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Speaker 2: great one for you seven away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macrove micro or just plain economics, it's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,

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Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME used talksp Whether it's macro,

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Speaker 1: MicroB or just plain economics, it's all on the.

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Speaker 3: Business Hour with Heather Duplicy.

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Speaker 1: Allen and my HR, the HR platform for SME US

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Speaker 1: talk SPA.

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Speaker 2: You think Trump is fun? Loving him because he's more fun? Wow,

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Speaker 2: go read Project twenty five. I thought you were better

2067
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Speaker 2: than that. Bye bye, Tony. I do think he's more fun.

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Speaker 2: I don't have to deal with his nonsense do I

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Speaker 2: am not in America. I can just view him and

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Speaker 2: laugh at him from afar. He has an inspirational story

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Speaker 2: for you. Okay, listen to this. Two nineteen year olds

2072
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Speaker 2: have just bought their first home in Topor and it's

2073
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Speaker 2: got a lake view. How about that for a first home.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a first home with a lake view. Well,

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Speaker 2: it didn't have a first home. I had a first

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Speaker 2: apartment and it sucked. But still they paid seven hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty thousand dollars for it. Charlie, nineteen year old.

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Speaker 2: Charlie works at Pack and Save and his nineteen year

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Speaker 2: old girlfriend, Courtney, also works at Pack and Save. He's

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Speaker 2: a grocery supervisor, she's in the deli, and between the

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Speaker 2: two of them, just working at Pack and Save, they

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Speaker 2: have managed to save the one hundred and sixty thousand

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01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 2: dollar deposit that they needed. And they've done that by themselves, right.

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Speaker 2: This kid is incredible. He's been working since he was

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Speaker 2: twelve when he had a paper run. Sometimes when he

2086
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 2: was at high school, he worked as many as twenty

2087
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Speaker 2: hours a week and it didn't really seem to affect

2088
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Speaker 2: his studies because he still finished year thirteen and got

2089
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Speaker 2: proximai a kiss it, which is second to Ducks. Right,

2090
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Speaker 2: So he was right up there and the smartest kids

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Speaker 2: in his school for his year. He credits his dad.

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Speaker 2: He says his dad is basically a financial advisor to him,

2093
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Speaker 2: and his dad is obviously doing something right because this

2094
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Speaker 2: is his third son to buy a house young. The

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Speaker 2: two older boys bought a place together when they were

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Speaker 2: nineteen and twenty one. And Charlie doesn't want to go

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Speaker 2: to university because he says he quite likes, even though

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Speaker 2: he's as smart as he is, quite likes the supermarket

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Speaker 2: industry and wants to do that as a career and

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Speaker 2: he wants to own his own store one day. How

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Speaker 2: impressive is that?

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Speaker 28: Ants I can't even pronounce proxima dad if. Spotify has

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Speaker 28: put out a global Impact list for New Zealand artists.

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Speaker 28: So this is which New Zealand artists who really songs

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Speaker 28: in twenty twenty four, by the way, so we don't

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Speaker 28: we're not including everybody are getting the most popular play

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Speaker 28: overseas on their Spotify. Yeah, the winner was Cambra managed

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Speaker 28: to beat Lord Lord has No. Two and three. But

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Speaker 28: Kimber was actually on a song in like ten years ago,

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Speaker 28: not this song?

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Speaker 25: Is it?

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Speaker 28: This song something something somebody that I used to know

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Speaker 28: by her and Goacher has been redone this year by

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Speaker 28: Chris lake Fisher and Sony Smsny. So that has been

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Speaker 28: the really big one. So that's why she snuck.

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Speaker 3: To the top of the list. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Oh good. Yesterday Darcy and I were singing the song

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Speaker 2: just randomly in the kitchen.

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Speaker 28: Because it is a very good song. I can see

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Speaker 28: why they remissed it like it's good good.

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Speaker 2: Hey, enjoy your evening. Back with you tomorrow. Go the

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Speaker 2: Olympians Overnight, go the football. Ferns Boom has to the

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Speaker 2: Canadians cheats, He's Talk Zippy.

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