1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talks ADB. 3 00:00:12,587 --> 00:00:17,827 Speaker 2: Cricket Meantime has a new Chief high Performance Officer and 4 00:00:17,867 --> 00:00:20,547 Speaker 2: it's a former All Black, Darryl Gibson. He is going 5 00:00:20,587 --> 00:00:23,507 Speaker 2: to start in the role next month, replacing the long 6 00:00:23,587 --> 00:00:28,187 Speaker 2: serving but now departing Brian Stronik. Daryl Gibson comes into 7 00:00:28,187 --> 00:00:31,067 Speaker 2: the job from his role as head of High Performance 8 00:00:31,107 --> 00:00:35,147 Speaker 2: Coaching at High Performance Sport New Zealand and Daryl Gibson 9 00:00:35,627 --> 00:00:38,267 Speaker 2: is with us on Weekend Sport. Daryl, thanks for taking 10 00:00:38,307 --> 00:00:41,867 Speaker 2: the time. Congratulations on the appointment. What was it about 11 00:00:41,907 --> 00:00:43,987 Speaker 2: this role that attracted you to it? 12 00:00:44,947 --> 00:00:47,547 Speaker 3: Well, thank first of all, thank you poney. That's quite 13 00:00:47,547 --> 00:00:53,187 Speaker 3: a mouthful. That title was what attracted me to the role. 14 00:00:53,227 --> 00:00:58,427 Speaker 3: I think obviously the role itself and the opportunity to 15 00:00:58,547 --> 00:01:03,987 Speaker 3: join an organization in New Zealand Cricket that is reshaping 16 00:01:04,067 --> 00:01:11,827 Speaker 3: itself to be fit purpose in an increasingly complex cricketing scene. 17 00:01:12,027 --> 00:01:15,107 Speaker 3: I think what we're seeing in sport, and I know 18 00:01:15,187 --> 00:01:18,547 Speaker 3: Rugby going through the same thing, is the way we're 19 00:01:18,587 --> 00:01:23,787 Speaker 3: consuming sport, how sport is funded and invested in is changing, 20 00:01:23,987 --> 00:01:25,987 Speaker 3: you know, with the way we consume sport with TV, 21 00:01:26,907 --> 00:01:29,987 Speaker 3: and it's making sure we're fit for purpose for that. 22 00:01:30,907 --> 00:01:34,187 Speaker 3: But then also, you know, cricket is ambitious, you know, 23 00:01:34,307 --> 00:01:38,467 Speaker 3: I really love that global nature. You know, MDT have 24 00:01:39,027 --> 00:01:44,867 Speaker 3: invested into Major League cricket in America, you know, so 25 00:01:44,907 --> 00:01:47,587 Speaker 3: it's it's sport that wants to go places, and you know, 26 00:01:47,587 --> 00:01:49,747 Speaker 3: I'm really really privileged to join. 27 00:01:50,107 --> 00:01:52,507 Speaker 2: I want to talk about about the complexity of the 28 00:01:52,707 --> 00:01:55,907 Speaker 2: of the global cricketing landscape in a moment, But what 29 00:01:55,987 --> 00:02:00,067 Speaker 2: do you perceive to be the most important parts of 30 00:02:00,107 --> 00:02:00,587 Speaker 2: this role? 31 00:02:02,747 --> 00:02:05,667 Speaker 3: For me, the most important part is ensuring that we 32 00:02:05,747 --> 00:02:11,427 Speaker 3: are dainable competitive cricket nation year on here and for me, 33 00:02:11,627 --> 00:02:13,907 Speaker 3: that comes down to making sure that our high performance 34 00:02:13,907 --> 00:02:18,347 Speaker 3: system is producing men and women at a very high 35 00:02:18,427 --> 00:02:24,707 Speaker 3: level to sustain our competitive edge. We're a small nation 36 00:02:24,867 --> 00:02:27,027 Speaker 3: in terms of cricket and so we've always had to 37 00:02:27,227 --> 00:02:33,347 Speaker 3: beat above our capability and we've consistently done that over 38 00:02:33,347 --> 00:02:36,627 Speaker 3: the last fifteen years. So first of all, we're really 39 00:02:36,627 --> 00:02:39,347 Speaker 3: curious to learn what is it that we're doing better 40 00:02:39,387 --> 00:02:42,147 Speaker 3: than any other cricket nation in the world, because there 41 00:02:42,147 --> 00:02:44,747 Speaker 3: will be strengths there that we've got to make sure 42 00:02:44,787 --> 00:02:48,387 Speaker 3: we maintain. But they're also coming in with a fresh 43 00:02:48,427 --> 00:02:51,147 Speaker 3: set of eyes to see, Okay, we have some performance 44 00:02:51,827 --> 00:02:55,307 Speaker 3: growth and gaps currently in our system in ways that 45 00:02:55,347 --> 00:02:55,987 Speaker 3: we can be better. 46 00:02:56,987 --> 00:03:00,627 Speaker 2: The cricketing landscape, as you've outlined there, has changed markedly 47 00:03:00,707 --> 00:03:03,827 Speaker 2: in recent times and we'll continue to do so, no doubt. 48 00:03:04,507 --> 00:03:07,707 Speaker 2: How do you ensure internation no success in the face 49 00:03:07,827 --> 00:03:11,827 Speaker 2: of the rise and rise of T twenty franchise cricket? 50 00:03:12,547 --> 00:03:15,107 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that is a challenge, isn't it, Because 51 00:03:16,227 --> 00:03:18,147 Speaker 3: we can all see the large sums of money that 52 00:03:18,187 --> 00:03:21,627 Speaker 3: are on offer for our young men women in terms 53 00:03:21,627 --> 00:03:24,987 Speaker 3: of playing in IPL leagues solely. So I think there's 54 00:03:25,027 --> 00:03:29,867 Speaker 3: a real job to make sure that playing for New 55 00:03:29,947 --> 00:03:35,227 Speaker 3: Zealand in cricket Internationals and the three formats still retains 56 00:03:35,347 --> 00:03:39,347 Speaker 3: a very special place and meaning for the players because 57 00:03:39,347 --> 00:03:42,867 Speaker 3: we know we're competing with a large sums of money 58 00:03:43,507 --> 00:03:46,907 Speaker 3: an opportunity that if we were in similar positions you 59 00:03:47,307 --> 00:03:50,507 Speaker 3: would make it very difficult. So first of all, making 60 00:03:50,507 --> 00:03:54,427 Speaker 3: sure the environments that we produce in all three formats 61 00:03:55,067 --> 00:03:57,427 Speaker 3: are very compelling and the players want to come back 62 00:03:57,467 --> 00:04:02,827 Speaker 3: and play for New Zealand. I still think that players 63 00:04:02,827 --> 00:04:05,347 Speaker 3: are always going to need a platform to be able 64 00:04:05,387 --> 00:04:09,027 Speaker 3: to pick up the deals and contracts around the world, 65 00:04:09,227 --> 00:04:10,747 Speaker 3: You're still going to have to play well for your 66 00:04:10,747 --> 00:04:13,067 Speaker 3: country and be of the very, very best cricketer you 67 00:04:13,107 --> 00:04:18,787 Speaker 3: can be. So certainly where that challenge, that complexity of 68 00:04:19,227 --> 00:04:21,867 Speaker 3: the amount of cricket that is on offer around the 69 00:04:21,867 --> 00:04:26,587 Speaker 3: global stage and making sure that New Zealand still retains 70 00:04:26,667 --> 00:04:27,507 Speaker 3: that special place. 71 00:04:28,987 --> 00:04:30,507 Speaker 2: Do you think it does at the moment? Is that 72 00:04:30,547 --> 00:04:32,507 Speaker 2: I know you're about to start in the role, but 73 00:04:32,667 --> 00:04:34,667 Speaker 2: it feels to me as though there is that. Yes, 74 00:04:34,707 --> 00:04:37,307 Speaker 2: there are players who are opting not to take up 75 00:04:37,347 --> 00:04:40,147 Speaker 2: central contracts, but it seems to me and I don't 76 00:04:40,187 --> 00:04:42,467 Speaker 2: think they're lying when you ask the players, they still 77 00:04:42,507 --> 00:04:46,507 Speaker 2: talk about the specialness of the international environment. Is that 78 00:04:46,547 --> 00:04:47,507 Speaker 2: your perception too? 79 00:04:48,267 --> 00:04:52,347 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I still think it retains that general and I 80 00:04:52,387 --> 00:04:56,107 Speaker 3: want to play for my country and I want to 81 00:04:56,107 --> 00:04:58,947 Speaker 3: perform and be part of the team and challenge on 82 00:04:58,987 --> 00:05:03,507 Speaker 3: the international sort of global stage. So our challenges for 83 00:05:03,827 --> 00:05:06,827 Speaker 3: the coaches administrators in the game to make sure that 84 00:05:06,827 --> 00:05:13,027 Speaker 3: that's retained. The values of what we stand for identified too, 85 00:05:13,387 --> 00:05:16,947 Speaker 3: need to be very strong and clear right through our 86 00:05:16,947 --> 00:05:21,587 Speaker 3: whole pathway. So that's also part of the challenge of 87 00:05:21,627 --> 00:05:23,267 Speaker 3: making sure that retains. 88 00:05:23,867 --> 00:05:25,867 Speaker 2: And you arrive into this role at around the same 89 00:05:25,907 --> 00:05:28,307 Speaker 2: time as a new Black Caps coach has just been appointed, 90 00:05:28,507 --> 00:05:31,347 Speaker 2: Rob Alter taking over from Gary Stead. Of course, just 91 00:05:31,347 --> 00:05:34,147 Speaker 2: the fact that you're new, he's new, and an extra 92 00:05:34,227 --> 00:05:36,667 Speaker 2: layer of challenge for you both or actually is it 93 00:05:36,707 --> 00:05:39,067 Speaker 2: a chance to look at things through two sets of 94 00:05:39,147 --> 00:05:39,747 Speaker 2: fresh eyes. 95 00:05:40,787 --> 00:05:42,747 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a bit of both there. There 96 00:05:42,787 --> 00:05:45,627 Speaker 3: is definitely an opportunity. What attracted me to this role 97 00:05:45,747 --> 00:05:47,227 Speaker 3: is the fact that I knew there would be an 98 00:05:47,227 --> 00:05:52,627 Speaker 3: incoming head coach and an opportunity to potentially reshape things 99 00:05:52,747 --> 00:05:54,747 Speaker 3: in the direction that we feel that we need to go. 100 00:05:56,267 --> 00:05:59,587 Speaker 3: But then also the challenge of you have two new 101 00:05:59,587 --> 00:06:02,547 Speaker 3: people into the system, and that's something I spoke about 102 00:06:02,787 --> 00:06:06,587 Speaker 3: at my interview with the chair and the CE the 103 00:06:06,627 --> 00:06:09,547 Speaker 3: captains around the role that they have to ensure that 104 00:06:10,467 --> 00:06:13,147 Speaker 3: what everything that has been great about New Zealand cricket 105 00:06:13,467 --> 00:06:17,107 Speaker 3: has retained and then the two new people into the 106 00:06:17,147 --> 00:06:21,787 Speaker 3: system get to learn that really quickly about our standards 107 00:06:21,827 --> 00:06:25,507 Speaker 3: and our valuers and so forth, our culture and making 108 00:06:25,507 --> 00:06:27,347 Speaker 3: sure that we integrate quickly. 109 00:06:28,587 --> 00:06:30,627 Speaker 2: If we just zoom out a bit, Daryl, regardless of 110 00:06:30,667 --> 00:06:34,467 Speaker 2: what sport it is are there key factors that apply 111 00:06:34,587 --> 00:06:37,547 Speaker 2: across all effective high performance environments? 112 00:06:38,707 --> 00:06:44,067 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I think there are principles because very simply, 113 00:06:44,107 --> 00:06:46,947 Speaker 3: I'm not from cricket. I am that fresh pair of 114 00:06:46,987 --> 00:06:50,107 Speaker 3: eyes that can come into a system and look at 115 00:06:50,107 --> 00:06:53,107 Speaker 3: it from a point of view of principles. We're very 116 00:06:53,187 --> 00:06:56,027 Speaker 3: lucky here in New Zealand and that our principles are 117 00:06:56,027 --> 00:06:59,307 Speaker 3: pretty clear around high performance. It firstly starts with people. 118 00:06:59,907 --> 00:07:02,547 Speaker 3: We're in a people business. How do we get people 119 00:07:02,547 --> 00:07:07,107 Speaker 3: together operating in a very clear direction and purpose around 120 00:07:07,107 --> 00:07:09,907 Speaker 3: a really clear defined set of values that are special 121 00:07:09,947 --> 00:07:14,987 Speaker 3: and unique to our country and form in such a 122 00:07:15,107 --> 00:07:20,827 Speaker 3: way that produces sporting performances that firstly people here in 123 00:07:20,827 --> 00:07:23,707 Speaker 3: New Zealand can identify with and be very proud of. 124 00:07:24,507 --> 00:07:28,867 Speaker 3: And I think the way our sports people and that's 125 00:07:28,947 --> 00:07:31,747 Speaker 3: one of the things I've admired about our cricket team 126 00:07:32,187 --> 00:07:35,627 Speaker 3: is the way they play the game. We play to win, 127 00:07:36,707 --> 00:07:40,187 Speaker 3: but we also when we win, we win well, we 128 00:07:40,227 --> 00:07:42,867 Speaker 3: win with money, and I think that's really important. So 129 00:07:43,587 --> 00:07:48,667 Speaker 3: it's cutos and brilliant for the work that Gary, Mike Hessen, 130 00:07:49,627 --> 00:07:53,467 Speaker 3: Ben Sawyer and the women's game have really installed a 131 00:07:53,547 --> 00:07:58,627 Speaker 3: culture around Hey Yep, we play hard. We expect that, 132 00:07:58,707 --> 00:08:03,107 Speaker 3: as keywis, but also you know, we play the game 133 00:08:03,147 --> 00:08:03,787 Speaker 3: in the right spirit. 134 00:08:04,627 --> 00:08:07,187 Speaker 2: Just back to black Cats coaching role. There was talk 135 00:08:07,227 --> 00:08:12,627 Speaker 2: that perhaps a split and responsibilities might occur between red 136 00:08:12,627 --> 00:08:14,747 Speaker 2: and white ball. That hasn't been the case. Rob will 137 00:08:15,107 --> 00:08:18,147 Speaker 2: oversee all formats. Can you see a time down the 138 00:08:18,187 --> 00:08:20,427 Speaker 2: track when that is revisited. 139 00:08:22,307 --> 00:08:25,507 Speaker 3: I think possibly, you know, I'm sure New's on a 140 00:08:25,547 --> 00:08:30,387 Speaker 3: Cricket discussed all the different advantages and disadvantages of splitting 141 00:08:30,387 --> 00:08:35,827 Speaker 3: white ball red Bull. Obviously, having two coaches, two chiefs 142 00:08:35,827 --> 00:08:39,707 Speaker 3: of different areas would provide its challenge but also an opportunity, 143 00:08:41,067 --> 00:08:44,267 Speaker 3: whereas if you have one leader or one coach setting 144 00:08:44,707 --> 00:08:48,667 Speaker 3: the culture and framework across all three teams, it's certainly 145 00:08:49,467 --> 00:08:53,027 Speaker 3: more consistent and clearer for the players. And I guess 146 00:08:53,067 --> 00:08:55,947 Speaker 3: at this point in time we've opted for that and 147 00:08:55,987 --> 00:09:01,067 Speaker 3: that it's better to have one coach across all three formats. 148 00:09:01,547 --> 00:09:03,667 Speaker 3: Of course, the detraction in that, and we've seen that 149 00:09:03,747 --> 00:09:07,027 Speaker 3: over time, and Pine I think you'd agree it's a 150 00:09:07,067 --> 00:09:10,867 Speaker 3: heavy workload for one coach. You know, it's a considerable 151 00:09:10,867 --> 00:09:15,707 Speaker 3: amount of time away committed to cricket and those three formats, 152 00:09:16,147 --> 00:09:20,987 Speaker 3: So I think building building enough time for the coach 153 00:09:21,067 --> 00:09:24,027 Speaker 3: to recharge and regenerate themselves is going to be important. 154 00:09:25,267 --> 00:09:26,987 Speaker 3: You know, the way we look after our coach in 155 00:09:26,987 --> 00:09:29,827 Speaker 3: that regard is going to be part of the work 156 00:09:29,867 --> 00:09:30,347 Speaker 3: that I do. 157 00:09:31,307 --> 00:09:33,747 Speaker 2: And we'll know about your rugby career. Nineteen Test matches 158 00:09:33,787 --> 00:09:37,947 Speaker 2: for the All Blacks, multiple Super Rugby Championships with the Crusaders. 159 00:09:37,987 --> 00:09:39,307 Speaker 2: Do you play any cricket growing up? 160 00:09:41,067 --> 00:09:46,427 Speaker 3: I certainly won't feature in the cricket b Rugmans play party. 161 00:09:46,467 --> 00:09:51,187 Speaker 3: I can assure you that just like many New Zealanders 162 00:09:51,187 --> 00:09:55,347 Speaker 3: grew up on a diet of when cricket was on 163 00:09:55,547 --> 00:09:58,787 Speaker 3: mainstream TV, you know those years where we're dominated with 164 00:09:58,827 --> 00:10:03,147 Speaker 3: Hadley and over in Australia, and obviously the money nineteen 165 00:10:03,147 --> 00:10:08,107 Speaker 3: World Cup features strongly in my mind. I've always admired cricketers. 166 00:10:08,307 --> 00:10:12,587 Speaker 3: I think getting on the pitch and facing someone who's 167 00:10:12,587 --> 00:10:16,267 Speaker 3: bowling at one, you know, it takes some courage and 168 00:10:17,267 --> 00:10:20,387 Speaker 3: bravery just to do that. So from that point of view, 169 00:10:20,787 --> 00:10:27,907 Speaker 3: certainly admire my cricket and it's all particularly five day 170 00:10:27,907 --> 00:10:33,947 Speaker 3: cricket Test match in terms of the consistency, the patients 171 00:10:34,267 --> 00:10:38,907 Speaker 3: and what character traits is required to win through five days. 172 00:10:39,467 --> 00:10:42,747 Speaker 2: Well, congrats and again on the new role. Exciting times 173 00:10:42,747 --> 00:10:45,587 Speaker 2: ahead and interesting challenging times ahead as well for the 174 00:10:45,587 --> 00:10:49,307 Speaker 2: game of cricket, both domestically and internationally. I hope it 175 00:10:49,347 --> 00:10:51,667 Speaker 2: starts well. We'll look forward to catching up once you've 176 00:10:51,667 --> 00:10:54,427 Speaker 2: got your feet under the desk in a couple of months. 177 00:10:54,187 --> 00:10:57,147 Speaker 3: Time or so. Brilliant Thanks Boone, no, thank you, Daryl. 178 00:10:57,187 --> 00:11:00,267 Speaker 2: Darrel Gibson. There he is the new New Zealand Cricket 179 00:11:00,547 --> 00:11:04,547 Speaker 2: Chief High Performance Officer, replacing Brian Stronach. Looking forward very 180 00:11:04,627 --> 00:11:06,867 Speaker 2: much to seeing what he brings to that role. 181 00:11:07,627 --> 00:11:10,827 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 182 00:11:10,907 --> 00:11:14,227 Speaker 1: to news talks at b weekends from midday, or follow 183 00:11:14,267 --> 00:11:15,867 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio