WEBVTT - Rugby Direct - Episode 182

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<v Speaker 2>Midweek and time to reconvene.

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<v Speaker 3>Elliot Smith with me all the way back from the

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<v Speaker 3>United States, the sleeping giant of world Rugby.

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<v Speaker 4>Leam Mapier, Welcome back, jeez one on Joe. Great to

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<v Speaker 4>see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, likewise, good trip, was it, wils Yep.

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't say well arrested, but it's good to be

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<v Speaker 5>back in tackling another big old.

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<v Speaker 3>Bladerslow indeed, Well, your Blakes have just named the team

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<v Speaker 3>four Saturday Night eleven change, sorry, eleven survivors from the

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<v Speaker 3>team that were beaten comprehensively, biggest ever defeat for the

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<v Speaker 3>All Blacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Liam.

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<v Speaker 3>Just looking at that team, I'm sure our listeners have

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<v Speaker 3>seen it by now. Are you expecting more changes?

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<v Speaker 5>Not really, I didn't know Scott Barrett was the big surprise.

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<v Speaker 5>Didn't know he was injured, didn't know he we didn't

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<v Speaker 5>weren't told. He finished that game with a shoulder injury.

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<v Speaker 5>Sounds like he trained on Tuesday and did everything he could.

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<v Speaker 5>So that was the big surprise. But Raises pretty consistently

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<v Speaker 5>maintained faith in his starters, asn't he I thought, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>lessifying a look who might come into the mix somewhere,

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<v Speaker 5>But I did expect Caleb Clark to come back. Can

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<v Speaker 5>Roy Guards, Cody Taylor was always going to be injected

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<v Speaker 5>back your starters, same with Cortez lastmile on the bench.

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<v Speaker 5>A bit of a surprise to see Peter Lucky injected

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<v Speaker 5>along with Patrick Tuopolota returning. So a couple of tweaks,

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<v Speaker 5>but there's certainly no radical changes there.

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<v Speaker 3>No, and those expecting radical change will be sorely disappointed

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<v Speaker 3>because the players that did suffer that defeat, the worst

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<v Speaker 3>ever bid an All Blacks team, largely back up again.

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<v Speaker 3>But some of those players they bring in have that experience.

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<v Speaker 3>Your Cody Taylor instantly makes the line out better. Can

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<v Speaker 3>Roy Guard is an instant lift into that back line

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<v Speaker 3>as well. Caleb Clark said to bide his time in

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<v Speaker 3>the NBC, which feels like a bit of an odd

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<v Speaker 3>one for the last couple of weeks, but he gets

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<v Speaker 3>his opportunity and hard to argue with too many of

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<v Speaker 3>those changes that they've made, especially probably for me at

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<v Speaker 3>hooker and half back and probably on the left wing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think Caleb Clark has been an oversight. I

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<v Speaker 5>think we've been talking for the best part of two

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<v Speaker 5>three weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>White.

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<v Speaker 4>Did he really need to play the NPC?

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe one game, certainly not too when you're glaring issues

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<v Speaker 5>are under the high ball. He's your best aerial exponent.

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<v Speaker 5>Get him in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Why wait, Well, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing I think, to be honest, Torolomax and Tobody

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<v Speaker 3>Williams have suffered from a lack of game time, perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>not going back to the NBC, whereas I think for

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<v Speaker 3>a outside back a wing it it's easier to slot in.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's a real lack of consistency there there is,

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<v Speaker 4>and Scott.

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<v Speaker 3>Rolls and see some of the calls and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But then you go out of the camp and you

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<v Speaker 3>go back into NPC. So I would have had Caleb

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<v Speaker 3>Clark and there're certainly for the Wellington set.

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<v Speaker 4>Same with Cam Royguard.

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<v Speaker 5>He played one game for Counties and he's straight back

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<v Speaker 5>in there, so Caleb Clark I would have given him

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<v Speaker 5>one game max and then he goes back to the

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<v Speaker 5>left wing. He was your incumbent at the back end

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<v Speaker 5>of last year. He played exceptionally well against the spring

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<v Speaker 5>Box last year, so I think that was one selection oversight.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, looking at that team, I don't think you

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<v Speaker 5>can underestimate, like you say, with Cody Taylor, how much

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<v Speaker 5>of a difference he should make to the line out.

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<v Speaker 5>And Cam Roygard he is among if not he's pushing

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<v Speaker 5>a bee, considered the best half back in the world

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<v Speaker 5>on his day. He upstairs DuPont last November. He has

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<v Speaker 5>running threat. His booming boots will take so much pressure

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<v Speaker 5>off Boden Barrett and the other kickers in that all.

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<v Speaker 4>Black back line.

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<v Speaker 5>He just poses so much more of a threat for

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<v Speaker 5>the defenders around the ruck. And you know Cortez Latima

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<v Speaker 5>has head. He's been a bit patchy, but he should

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<v Speaker 5>potentially lift the tempo when it comes on later in

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<v Speaker 5>that game. So the bench instantly looks strong as well,

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<v Speaker 5>with too Polo two bringing that physicality, adding that experience,

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<v Speaker 5>and I do like Larchey's inclusion. He's versatile and he's

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<v Speaker 5>a much bigger, more powerful, dynamic ball carrier than Dupless

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<v Speaker 5>and I think this should be more obviously the spring

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<v Speaker 5>box Blue the All Blacks off the Park and Wellington,

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<v Speaker 5>but the Wallaby style will generally be you would suspect

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<v Speaker 5>more wide, more open, because their strengths are in their

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<v Speaker 5>back line.

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<v Speaker 3>You mentioned can Roygad and Press taking some pressure off

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<v Speaker 3>Boden Barrett. I think we probably can't underestimate the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that the All Blacks got down to their fourth and

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<v Speaker 3>fifth choice half backs in recent weeks. I think we've

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<v Speaker 3>seen that there is a gulf clearly between first and

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<v Speaker 3>fourth and fifth. Roy Guard is world class, as you

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<v Speaker 3>pointed out, and I know was mentioned back into last

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<v Speaker 3>year that I think was Isaac Boss, who's coached him

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit in the age Grips could see him

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<v Speaker 3>potentially being a ten now with that ever happens is

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<v Speaker 3>by the bye. But he's got that playmaking mind and

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<v Speaker 3>I think the All Blacks have missed having that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of player come out of the back of the ruck

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<v Speaker 3>option taking wise mean those suffering games are real arm

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<v Speaker 3>wrestles and a lot of box kicking, but you know

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<v Speaker 3>Roga would have had we snipe I'm sure once or

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<v Speaker 3>twice in those games.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we look?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think the All Blacks certainly missed having his

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<v Speaker 3>presence at half back, just directing the team and keeping

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<v Speaker 3>the pulse of the team.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh massively.

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<v Speaker 5>The difference between him and Finlay Christie is hemispheres and

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<v Speaker 5>we've touched on some of his strengths there, but one

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<v Speaker 5>of them we haven't is his size.

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<v Speaker 4>And the All Blacks have struggled at times.

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<v Speaker 5>You go right back to France in July with their

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<v Speaker 5>their breakdown and if there's pressure on there, if the

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<v Speaker 5>ball not pristine, if the halfback's getting man handled, Royguard

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<v Speaker 5>has the presence of mind, the size of physicality to

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<v Speaker 5>go for a snight, to shake off defenders, to still

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<v Speaker 5>deliver under that sort of pressure. He's by far the

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<v Speaker 5>biggest half back the All Blacks have it and that

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<v Speaker 5>does make a big difference.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Lesku this week thought he may have seen him

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<v Speaker 3>potentially off the bench. They've stuck with the midfield or

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<v Speaker 3>especially the center. In terms of Billy Proctor, I thought

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<v Speaker 3>this week may have been the change to a week

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<v Speaker 3>to make a change there.

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<v Speaker 2>He hasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>He's had a lot of opportunities, and I mind the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that they've stuck with him through the last few

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<v Speaker 3>Test matches, but time is running out, I think, and

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<v Speaker 3>this week, you know, I thought he might have been

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<v Speaker 3>replaced this week, but the other week Limbs is a

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<v Speaker 3>major pivotal point in his career as test career.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for Billy Proctor, it's time to show up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that's fair. He's had a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>chances and.

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<v Speaker 5>That combination really hasn't gelled, which is surprising with Jordie

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<v Speaker 5>because they've had a lot of time. I'm together for

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<v Speaker 5>the Hurricanes, not this year, but prior to that, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>Billy's just hasn't made the step up at this point.

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<v Speaker 5>If there was one player in that team that was

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<v Speaker 5>under significant pressure to talk, you know, whether it was

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<v Speaker 5>going to be Antoonlina Brown or or leicesterifying Anook, who

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<v Speaker 5>there was, There's been a lot of conjecture around that

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<v Speaker 5>Raises held firm and I think credit to him because

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<v Speaker 5>one hundred percent there is a real temptation to bring

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<v Speaker 5>in Lester's power and he knows his game well. He's

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<v Speaker 5>coached them through the Crusaders so there could be an

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<v Speaker 5>underlying bias.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, he hasn't gone there, so Billy has to deliver.

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<v Speaker 5>But you could extend that out to other players within

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<v Speaker 5>that group because the heaviest defeat in history. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think I haven't been around earlier in the week, but

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<v Speaker 5>I think Cody Taylor spoke really well today about restoring

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<v Speaker 5>prior about players fronting about the hurts and.

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<v Speaker 4>The words that's stung that that have been around.

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<v Speaker 5>And when he said that, I was thinking of not

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<v Speaker 5>us in the media, but things that have been said

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<v Speaker 5>by people like Karen Reid who questioned basically the hearts, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>of the All Blacks team and the way they folded

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<v Speaker 5>under pressure when the boxerre on that rampage in the

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<v Speaker 5>last twenty comments from form more Black captains like that sting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they'll see more than columns written by you, I

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere else from our opposition, whatever I be. It's those

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<v Speaker 3>former players suggesting that that I think will really hurt

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<v Speaker 3>the All Blacks. Artie Suthing as captain not an unfamiliar role.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, he's already done it twice this year is

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<v Speaker 3>the third time he's captained the side this year. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not unfamiliar, as I said, but I think it's time

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<v Speaker 3>of Artie's stand up as a leader as well, because

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he did in the back end of

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<v Speaker 3>that game in Wellington, Chip and Chase in the last

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<v Speaker 3>two or three minutes and the game was gone by

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<v Speaker 3>that point, but not really the play that was needed.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he stood up in that game at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought he was very very quiet.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean a lot of people are clamoring Friday,

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<v Speaker 3>so I ve to be the full time captain of

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<v Speaker 3>this team rather than Scott Barrett. But I think there

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<v Speaker 3>has to be question marks around some of his leadership,

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<v Speaker 3>both as a vice captain. But you know he's going

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<v Speaker 3>to have to stand up as a player and as

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<v Speaker 3>a captain this week.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah that's fair too. He probably hasn't been at his

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<v Speaker 5>best for the All Blacks this year, different levels, but

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<v Speaker 5>could you look at his impact through Former one and

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<v Speaker 5>PACIFICA best player in the competition by a long way,

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<v Speaker 5>inspirational every single week. Maybe that season has taken a

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<v Speaker 5>bit of a toll. Not too sure, and you broaden

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<v Speaker 5>that out to the loose Ford trio. I think they

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<v Speaker 5>were very good at Eden Park. We saw Wallace Tacy.

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<v Speaker 4>Carrying really well.

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<v Speaker 5>Simon Parker is a real presence on defense and as

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<v Speaker 5>a trio. They were massively upstaged in Wellington. That's not

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<v Speaker 5>as easy when you're on the back foot and the

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<v Speaker 5>set piece is disintegrating the scrum. The line out went

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<v Speaker 5>to the packs. So I think there's some a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of onus on the All Black forward pack to front

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<v Speaker 5>different kettle of fish against the Wallabies. It will be

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<v Speaker 5>you suspect more, more up tempo. But there's no doubt

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<v Speaker 5>Joe Schmidt would have watched what's happened with the All Blacks,

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<v Speaker 5>some of their defensive frailties. I'm sure he's picked apart

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<v Speaker 5>a few little set piece plays and I've got got

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<v Speaker 5>to still target the All Blacks in the air, don't they.

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<v Speaker 3>They do because they've seen the frailties there, they've seen

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<v Speaker 3>the weaknesses. So as Joe Schmidt would have seen, he

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<v Speaker 3>would have watched that tape and gone, this is how

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<v Speaker 3>we can do it, and maybe they go away from

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<v Speaker 3>their game plan this week and go right. These guys

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<v Speaker 3>don't like it the under the in the air, so

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<v Speaker 3>let's just absolutely hamm with them. If I'm the Wallabies,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't know whether you can outrun the

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<v Speaker 3>All Blacks because they've tried to do it for twenty

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<v Speaker 3>odd years and have them on the blas the back.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe they just go back into their shells and

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<v Speaker 3>play spring box like rugby because the All Blacks don't

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<v Speaker 3>like it that way.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Schmidt as a high detail hours go right, so

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<v Speaker 5>he's catch pass, He's everything done to a very high precision.

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<v Speaker 5>He would have been pouring over footage. And I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think there's any doubt that the Wallaby strengths are in

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<v Speaker 5>their back line. Their midfield has a claim to be

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<v Speaker 5>the best in the world currently. Sui Lee and ikto

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<v Speaker 5>bouncing off each other. You want to get them the

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<v Speaker 5>ball in space. Max Jorgensen probably shift to fall back

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<v Speaker 5>with Andrew callaway out. I think that probably nullifies his

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<v Speaker 5>impact to weave it because I don't think you can

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<v Speaker 5>inject your pace as much from fullback. He will be

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<v Speaker 5>peppered with high balls, maybe not unleashed in the same capacity.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think the Wallaby strengths are in their back

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<v Speaker 5>line and they'll look to use those. But just on

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<v Speaker 5>the Wallabies, I think we've discussed it previously. There's no

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<v Speaker 5>Dutch Schmidz bought a depth of character, a resilience. We've

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<v Speaker 5>seen them come back even when they've lost, they've been competitive.

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<v Speaker 5>Talk a couple of the Australian journalists today, Ian Payton

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<v Speaker 5>and Jimmie Perrin panderam apologies and they made the point

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<v Speaker 5>that yeah, previous Wallaby's teams, even under Checker and co,

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<v Speaker 5>they'd be good one week, pounded the next, but now

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<v Speaker 5>they're competitive every single week. I'm pretty confident that All

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<v Speaker 5>Blacks will bounce back this week, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 5>we'll see the blowouts of previous years. This Wallaby's team

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<v Speaker 5>is still missing Will Skelton and Rob Valentini, and that's

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<v Speaker 5>predominantly why I reckon the All Blacks could well should

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<v Speaker 5>win because those are two huge presences in that Wallaby's

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<v Speaker 5>pack and they were front and center during the Lions

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<v Speaker 5>series when the Wallaby's played their best rugby and everyone

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<v Speaker 5>seems to be overlooking the fact that the Wallaby's actually

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<v Speaker 5>lost the last thay out to the Plumbers as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the comeback sort of overshadowed that a little.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're recording this before the Wallaby's team is officially announced,

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<v Speaker 3>but it sounds like James O'Connor is likely to be

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<v Speaker 3>a teen and according to a friend of the pod,

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<v Speaker 3>Christy Dorian, who has some pretty good male big in

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<v Speaker 3>for them in terms of getting that experience. They've got

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<v Speaker 3>some injuries and liner etc. But this is a guy

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<v Speaker 3>that is a super Raby champion not so long ago

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<v Speaker 3>and knows some of the ways the Crusader's boys in

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<v Speaker 3>that Crusader and that All Blacks team will play.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it probably goes both ways. They know him as well, and.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think it's necessary a compliment to Australian rugby though,

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<v Speaker 5>is it that you have to fly a guy back

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<v Speaker 5>from Europe to start a test match?

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<v Speaker 4>For you?

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<v Speaker 5>A very a guy that's probably over the hill play

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<v Speaker 5>beyond his best. It sure he's mature much.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the only player in the wall Becau this even

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<v Speaker 2>one anything.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, look, I would much rather have James O'Connor than

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<v Speaker 5>Tane Edmond, so that's why they're flying him back. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>not great depth at ten when you have to bring

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<v Speaker 5>a bloke. But when did it even a right?

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<v Speaker 2>I think Monday maybe into into Auckland.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so it's not idea passport is struct for.

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<v Speaker 2>Customers as Liam, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>As always, we will reconvene next week after the letters

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<v Speaker 3>low and our thanks to Last and Bars English and

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<v Speaker 3>Excess Solutions.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll catch you next time on Rugby Direct

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