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Speaker 1: Now, net Safe has just launched the new tool to

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Speaker 1: deal with scammers. It's an AI chatbot and basically how

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Speaker 1: it works is you forward them the scam email. They

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Speaker 1: then strike up a never ending conversation with a scammer

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Speaker 1: using chat GPT. And obviously what they're trying to do

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Speaker 1: is waste as much time as possible of the scammers

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Speaker 1: in order to stop them targeting other people. Brink Carry

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Speaker 1: is the net safe CEOs with us. Now, Hey, Brent,

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Speaker 1: hey Eva, do you know if this is going to

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Speaker 1: work as anybody else doing this?

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Speaker 2: Are we didded in twenty seventeen and wasted five years

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Speaker 2: of scammers time? And we know that it works already.

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Speaker 2: We've sent it one nine hundred and sixty seven emails

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Speaker 2: and wasted six days of scammers time day one.

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Speaker 1: How long before the scammers just give up on the

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Speaker 1: conversation and realize it's wasting their time?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got one on the hook which come up

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Speaker 2: to sixty two back and forwards, so it takes them

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Speaker 2: a wild to com on. So I think that's the

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Speaker 2: never ending game with cat and mouse, which sort of

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Speaker 2: a else to the are you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you taking a perverse pleasure out of

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Speaker 1: dipping in occasionally just to see how much time they're

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Speaker 1: spending on this.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would like to create lots of different personas.

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Speaker 2: The one I'm using at the moment is called very

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Speaker 2: contrary because she just says the opposite and has them

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Speaker 2: on the hook. So, yeah, you two have a little

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Speaker 2: bit of fun, but there's a serious message to around

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Speaker 2: what are the scammers tactics and can we get more

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Speaker 2: information out of the end to bust the scammers.

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Speaker 1: Oh so you're actually also bleeding them for info to

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Speaker 1: understand what they are doing.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we're able to give individuals their own individual link,

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Speaker 2: and you too can follow along under replay at re.

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Speaker 1: Scam, you can watch your scammer being scammed.

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Speaker 2: You can, and that's an advant that's a development from

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Speaker 2: when we first launched it back in twenty seventeen, so

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Speaker 2: you can play along as well.

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Speaker 1: Sagine that at some point the scam is going to

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Speaker 1: cotton on that this is happening and find a work around.

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Speaker 2: AI is getting really good at limoking your personal behaviors,

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Speaker 2: so we just need to gather more information, try and

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Speaker 2: stay one to step ahead of them. There will be

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Speaker 2: bot on bot scams we can see that as well,

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Speaker 2: and that's entertaining in itself.

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Speaker 1: Brient, thank you so much for talking us through, and

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Speaker 1: best of luck with enjoying. That's Brent, carry Net Safe CEO.

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