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Speaker 1: Pressing the newswakers to get the real story. It's Andrew

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Speaker 1: Dickens on hither dupe to see Allen drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected new Stalk, said.

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Speaker 2: B First, barding to you and welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: It is the thirtieth of July. My name is Andrew Dickens.

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Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, the latest from the Polkinghorn trial, Philip

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Speaker 2: Polkinghorn's last night with his wife, Netflix and wine, and

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Speaker 2: then what Chelsea Daniels has been in the courtroom. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna talk about the new piece of kit that can

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Speaker 2: reduce fog cancellations. We've got racism and Hurley Burley in

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Speaker 2: the house, Jason Walls with details shortly and also even

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Speaker 2: shortly er Darcy Waldegrave on why on earth is happening

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Speaker 2: with that triathn at the Paris Olympics. We've got all

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Speaker 2: this and more. You can text me on ninety two

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Speaker 2: Newstalks atb dot co dot n C. A small charge

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Speaker 2: by the way for the text. It is eight minutes after.

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Speaker 1: Four News Talk, said B.

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Speaker 2: So this week we discovered that Health News Zealand has

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Speaker 2: bad systems for managing financial information. Therefore, the board did

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Speaker 2: not get an accurate picture of the finances. Therefore, the

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Speaker 2: ministers didn't get a snapshot, and nobody knew what was

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Speaker 2: going on. Now, look, I say bad because after a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks of routing around, the true picture was found.

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Speaker 2: So it can't have been all bad. It wasn't that

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Speaker 2: they had no information, but it was still pretty bad,

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Speaker 2: so bad that the board has now been replaced by

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Speaker 2: a commissioner, Dr. Lester Levy, and he's been told to

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Speaker 2: fix the poor financial management now. To be fair, all

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Speaker 2: Lester can do in his job is demand that the

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Speaker 2: Health New Zealand executive get it right, fix it up,

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Speaker 2: and if you don't, I'll sack you. Or you could

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Speaker 2: do what Christopher Luxon suggested today, which has sacked them now,

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Speaker 2: and get better managers. I'm actually when I look at

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Speaker 2: this in other cases, I feel sorry for politicians like

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Speaker 2: Andrew Little. So Andrew Little, once upon a time, asked

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Speaker 2: Health New Zealand to collapse twenty dhps into one organization.

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Speaker 2: The executive goes off and says, that's what the minister said,

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Speaker 2: and they start doing that and then they completely ignore

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Speaker 2: putting in financial management plans and that's their fault, is

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Speaker 2: it not. And Little was probably sitting there thinking, oh,

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Speaker 2: I suppose they've got that sorted and if it didn't,

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Speaker 2: the board will pick it up. But they didn't do

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Speaker 2: that either. And the question is is it the minister's

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Speaker 2: job to have to tell well paid professionals and the

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Speaker 2: executive their job as a former trade union official supposed

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Speaker 2: to know how to financially monitor our health system better

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Speaker 2: than full time health executive professionals. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: Andrew Little has now paid the price for the bad

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Speaker 2: idea and the bad execution. He's gone, the board's gone,

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Speaker 2: but the public servants the executive are still there now. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willis knows more about running stuff than Andrew Little

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Speaker 2: because she saw the problem and rooted it out. But

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Speaker 2: the public services had obviously been hiding it or they've

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Speaker 2: been ignoring it. And there's still a lot of those

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Speaker 2: public servants around that can make any government's plans fail,

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Speaker 2: even if they're Nicolo Wise's or Chrystper Luxeen's. So my

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Speaker 2: take on it is I get rid of them personally.

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Speaker 2: I think they've given bad advice to all the ministers.

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Speaker 2: And my take on that, why aren't they good enough

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Speaker 2: to do this? Why don't they know that you need

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Speaker 2: to monitor things financially. It's probably because they're just not

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Speaker 2: actually knows what they're doing are earning far more overseas

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Speaker 2: or they're working in the private sector, and what we're

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Speaker 2: left with is the third tier. And I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: I'm being brutal to those public servants, but you are

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Speaker 2: the third tier, the up and covers the intention, and

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Speaker 2: that's why we don't pay you so much. In Singapore,

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Speaker 2: the public servants CEOs are the highest paid in the

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Speaker 2: corporate world and the political world. Why because they're the

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Speaker 2: best talent and they're the ones who always kick the goals.

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Speaker 2: News Talk said, be still even after four thousands fewer

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Speaker 2: family cases are being investigated by police. In March, police

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Speaker 2: thousands fewer. In fact, official data shows nearly three thousand

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Speaker 2: So I'm joined now by Women's Refuge CEO dtr Ang Jury.

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Speaker 3: Hello, dr Ang, it's Ange actually Andrew and Tura and

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Speaker 2: I thank you. Was there a sign eamist? That doesn't matter? Hey?

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, there we go. Is this happening directly as a

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not entirely sure where the information has come

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Speaker 3: One thing, I I am a little bit worried about

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Speaker 3: the numbers that are being mentioned there comparing apples and oranges.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can't compare figures for June with figures

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Speaker 2: But the difference is three thousand, and that's still big

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Speaker 2: and and what is the point of that, Because what

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Speaker 2: we're seeing is less police turning up to family harm incidents,

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Speaker 3: The police haven't actually started implementing this policy yet, apart

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Speaker 3: from in two relatively small roof of concept sites. They

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Speaker 3: are still building the new system. Either that or I'm

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Speaker 3: being directly misinformed.

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Speaker 2: Have they asked to be involved? See that the call

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Speaker 2: has gone out in March, is will no longer have

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Speaker 2: to attend all family arm callouts. I would have thought

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Speaker 2: the next process was then to talk to interested players

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Speaker 2: with that, to make sure that agencies were involved, and

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Speaker 2: I would have thought that your agency, Women's Refuge would

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Speaker 2: be involved in that consultation process. So my question for

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've been talking to the commissioner about this policy

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Speaker 3: and we've had some robust discussions about it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously I've got concerns, and it would be fair to

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Speaker 3: say probably that police does as well. But the point

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Speaker 3: hasn't actually been removed. They've signaled that it's going to

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Speaker 3: I have some sympathy for them. We can't have decent,

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Speaker 2: And this is true, and this is why the change

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Speaker 2: was there mooted. The question is how much impact will

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Speaker 2: and as you mentioned, they are going to go for

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Speaker 2: a triage system whereby a call center operator then you know,

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Speaker 2: here's a call from somebody in the middle of a

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Speaker 2: Now is that a good system because that's putting a

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Speaker 3: It certainly is. And we haven't seen the risk framework,

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Speaker 3: the risk assessment framework that's been going to be used.

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously there are really niggly worries about it,

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Speaker 3: and I think the signal that themselves and their advice

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Speaker 2: Well, and we'll keep we'll keep our eye on it

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Speaker 2: because the parlicy is in process and we'll keep an

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Speaker 2: And I thank you so much. That's Doctor and Jury

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Speaker 2: Women's Refuge CEO. And this is news Talks here to

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Speaker 2: be and Darcy Waldegrave here at a moment. Much excitement

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Speaker 2: of course during the day because we thought, what the hell,

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Speaker 2: the French are going to do it anyway, They're going

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Speaker 2: to go what's the problem with the dirty water? You

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Speaker 2: want a gold medal? You go in the dirty water.

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Speaker 2: Come on, you'll live. What's what's with a little what's

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Speaker 2: with a little bit of vomits? After winning a gold medal?

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Speaker 2: Come on and play the game. We thought so of it.

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Speaker 2: Then they you know, I won't say, checked out, but

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Speaker 2: suddenly thought, perps, we should delay one day, and they

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Speaker 2: could possibly delay two days. And will they ever go

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Speaker 2: for the dw athen or Biathan or whatever they want

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Speaker 2: to call it. I think it's a dew athen. Well,

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Speaker 2: Darcy Walter Grave has been looking at this, and Darcy

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Speaker 6: Next, digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper

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Speaker 6: see allan drive with one New zealand one give leaf

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Speaker 6: for business?

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Speaker 2: U stalks at balks?

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Speaker 7: Does he world?

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Speaker 2: Grave joins us, Oh, my goodness me the great punt

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Speaker 2: to see if we can get the sand halfway clear

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Speaker 2: to have a swim in it. And it's come and

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Speaker 2: rained on their face and on their parade.

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Speaker 8: And to add to this, it was not only the

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Speaker 2: Coli, which is quite killy. This is because the storm

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Speaker 2: water and the wastewater are actually still all combined like

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Speaker 8: Awkland, just like so they haven't got like a surf

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Speaker 8: break there either. So, but the flow rate because the

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Speaker 8: rain was so heavy, the actual scene is going too fast.

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Speaker 8: It's going over a meter per second, which means that

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Speaker 8: they probably couldn't do it then anyone.

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Speaker 2: Now, you just do it the other way and then

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Speaker 2: you get a world You go back and forth. Oh

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Speaker 9: So you go into it, then you go out to it.

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Speaker 8: So when you when you're going with it, like a

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Speaker 8: two hundred meters world record.

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Speaker 2: Place, when you go the other way, you just they

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Speaker 2: still all go backwards.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So as being post, it supposed to be six o'clock

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Speaker 8: eight forty five sorry evenings, eight forty five tomorrow evening.

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Speaker 8: And that's hard on the heels of the women's race,

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Speaker 8: which is set to go at six tomorrow. So four

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Speaker 2: How long to do a triathon? Can they get what

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Speaker 2: what's three hours? Four hours?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: No, no, they've got enough.

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Speaker 2: They can't good enough time to do it that they can.

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Speaker 8: Fight and they're well monster in the water.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine this?

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Speaker 8: It's between them and I think i'd actually haven't seen

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Speaker 10: I don't think they're going to.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine how good this event would have been

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Speaker 2: in the south of France at the deserve, perhaps off

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Speaker 2: the beach of can or somewhere like that, How pretty

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Speaker 2: it would have been, how wonderful it would have been.

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Speaker 11: But that that's their call.

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Speaker 2: So it's been postponed one day, could be postponed two

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Speaker 2: and then they have to change it. Is that the

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Speaker 2: way it's going to work.

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Speaker 8: August the second is the last day for that, and

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Speaker 8: if that's the case, they're going to have to make it.

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Speaker 2: A jiathon, so which shortens it.

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Speaker 8: But I believe the case here Hayden Wild one of

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Speaker 8: our athletes, one of the guys that might actually meddle

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Speaker 2: There's a silver line.

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Speaker 9: It don't have a big asterisk next to it, but

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Speaker 9: that's okay.

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Speaker 8: Gold's gold, right, But yes, so that's all being And

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Speaker 2: We've got Hayden's coach on the show at ten past five,

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Speaker 2: so I'll find out exactly how the sin is and

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Speaker 8: Pete's the CEO of Trithon New hilland just by the way,

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Speaker 2: At ten past five, drone gate carries on and of

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Speaker 8: Wronghill to die on, guys like, take your medicine, like

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Speaker 2: It's collective responsibility as a team sport.

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Speaker 9: Well, this is it.

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Speaker 8: And I don't know how much information from the drone

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Speaker 2: how do you know they're going to do that? But

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Speaker 8: I think seven point thirty, Emma twig. Anything else up

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Speaker 2: You know what I saw it so going to be going.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand without an eate I think is a great,

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Speaker 8: Well it's a shame, but we got the joy of

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Speaker 2: All right, text through saying the triath and is the

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't climb down that route because that's a bit tasty.

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Speaker 8: But anyway, the text is quiet and we're going to

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Speaker 8: The Dave Curry, of course, is shift mission for three

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Speaker 7: Now going when are we gonna win? When are we

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Speaker 9: When are we gonna win?

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Speaker 2: Happens every game, So we'll.

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Speaker 9: Talk about the pretty well.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because like the last there were three consecutive like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great.

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Speaker 9: That it's good.

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Speaker 2: that at seven with Darzi Watergrave. Here on News Talks, b.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: It's Andrew Dickens on hither due to see Ellen drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talk as

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Speaker 2: Twenty six out of four. Barnaby Joyce has had to

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Speaker 2: a metaphor he called billet papers bullets, voting papers bullets.

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Speaker 2: Murray Old's about what Barnabe Joyce had to say is

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Speaker 2: the triathletes. Absolutely, they've trained all their all their time

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Speaker 1: as it be.

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Speaker 12: You've seen.

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Speaker 2: Proud Amaticlus twenty five to five. I'm Andrew Dickinson for

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Speaker 2: Hea that she's on a break, she's back on Monday.

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Speaker 2: It's about colorful language. Over the next half, we've got

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be drive to Venezuela, where security forces have dispersed

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Speaker 2: anti government protests in the country's capital. President Nicola Maduro

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Speaker 13: We have serious concerns that the result announced does not

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Speaker 13: It's critical that every vote he counted fairly and transparently.

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Speaker 2: Now to the horror that the whole world has recoiled from,

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Speaker 2: and that is two children killed in a stabbing attack

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Speaker 2: And finally, a domestic flight from Houston to Boston. Has

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Speaker 15: Is vomity and passengers all around are.

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Speaker 2: a deep.

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Speaker 1: Clean international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 2: So after Australia we go Murray Old's welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: How they was?

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Speaker 9: Andrew has things buddy.

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Speaker 2: Very good, very good. Immigration is the big topic. Tony Berg,

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Speaker 16: Well he is, yeah, but look it's water off Burg's pack.

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Speaker 16: Andrew Giles was the immigration minister, great friend of Anthony Albanize,

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Speaker 16: And he's a head kicker par excellence. I mean, Giles

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Speaker 16: But he simply failed to defend the government's position. Burke

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Speaker 16: He was a previous immigration minister under Kevin Rudd and

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Speaker 9: Just this flea in the Senate.

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Speaker 16: So it's on for one and all, and I don't

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Speaker 16: But the governments have been arguing its hands are tired.

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Speaker 16: That's what that's the that's the big problem the government's had.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right to Barnaby Joyce and his apology after

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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, look.

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Speaker 16: He's a serial buffet and opens his mouth to change

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Speaker 9: His electorate loves the guy.

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Speaker 16: He's up there in northern New South Wales and the

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Speaker 9: What he did at there was a.

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Speaker 16: and get ready to load your magazine. Goodbye Bowen, which

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Speaker 16: is the Energy Minister, Chris Bowen, and goodbye Elbow of

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Speaker 9: Well, that's not going to happen anytime.

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Speaker 2: Soon, got it. And I was just thinking about all

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Speaker 2: your you've said already in this thing. Head kick a

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Speaker 2: that's right, particularly with you Murray. And finally, a woman

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Speaker 2: an older man who later killed her.

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Speaker 16: Yes, six weeks into the marriage. Dreadful it's a horrible story.

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Speaker 16: It's a member of the Hazara community from Iraq forced

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Speaker 16: to flee the Taliban, came to Australia and settle in

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Speaker 16: Reginald Victoria.

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Speaker 17: Well.

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Speaker 16: The mother's been jailed for three years, at least twelve

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Speaker 16: months behind bars after the murder of her twenty one

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Speaker 16: year old daughter. The little girl believes the young woman

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Speaker 16: wanted to adopt a new life in Australia and study

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Speaker 16: and get married in her late.

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Speaker 9: Twenties, maybe even thirty. She wanted to have a career.

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Speaker 16: First, we mother forced her to marry this fellow from

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Speaker 16: w Way and the daughter basically was obliged to marry.

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Speaker 16: She went to live with his fellow in w Way

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Speaker 16: and as I say, he cut a throat.

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Speaker 9: Six weeks later.

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Speaker 16: He's been jailed for life and the court basically said, listen,

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Speaker 16: you can't bring your customs from Iraq and apply them

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Speaker 16: in Australia.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't work.

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Speaker 16: From twenty thirteen, there's been a law on the books

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Speaker 16: over here that forbid's forced marriage. The judge told us

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Speaker 16: she had abused to POWs as a mother to pressure

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Speaker 16: a daughter.

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Speaker 9: To get married, or she said, if you don't get married.

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Speaker 16: We're going to kick you out of the house. Well,

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Speaker 16: it's just ended in a disaster all round. She was

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Speaker 16: sobbing in court as you might expect. Led away minimum

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Speaker 16: twelve months in jail but sentenced to three years.

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Speaker 2: All right, Murray Olds from Australia. I thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for your time at a seven meet Good on

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Speaker 2: seventeen to five. The big story back home, the pulking

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Speaker 2: hornk case. It's got everything, hasn't it. I said that

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Speaker 2: Steve Braunius is there writing and that's going behind a

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Speaker 2: paywall ofcause Steve Brounius is our Gore Vidale. He writes

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Speaker 2: on crime. He loves it. He will write a book

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Speaker 2: on this whole thing. We've got Michael Mora there from

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Speaker 2: the Herald focused team with the video and he's telling

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Speaker 2: stories about it. And they're all in our case relying

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Speaker 2: on the reportage of one person, and that is Chelsea Daniels,

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Speaker 2: who's in the courtroom day in, day out watching this.

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Speaker 2: It is an extraordinary thing. We know that Philip Polkinghorn

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Speaker 2: is pleaded not guilty to murdering his wife Pauline Hannah

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Speaker 2: in their rem mirror home Easter twenty twenty one, he's

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Speaker 2: seventy one. He pleaded guilty, though to two meth related charges.

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Speaker 2: He pleaded not guilty to murder. The Crown alleges he

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Speaker 2: strangled his wife and then staged her death as a suicide.

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Speaker 2: They alleged he led a double life, having affairs and

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Speaker 2: using sex workers, and that he was controlling and sexually

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Speaker 2: demanding of Hannah. And this has all been said in

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Speaker 2: front of the jury yesterday. What was said today, Well,

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Speaker 2: we'll find out after five o'clock with Chelsea Daniels right

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Speaker 2: here on Newstalk z B. But next Jason Walls with

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Speaker 2: the racism in the House that we're dealing with, Tom

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Speaker 2: McLay telling a Mexican he's not in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Now, politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: As Jason Walls joins us, our political editor, Hallidays, Oh

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Speaker 2: good afternoon, thirteen to five. Racism in the House, Tom

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Speaker 2: McClay yelling at ricud him and endo match.

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Speaker 18: Indeed, it was quite the set of argibargie in the

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Speaker 18: House from a number of different areas. I'll get to

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Speaker 18: the accusations of racism soon, but there were some other

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Speaker 18: light zingers that came beforehand, such as this excellent Shane

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Speaker 18: exchange between Aischaviril and Shane RETTI have a listen.

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Speaker 19: Isn't it a bit rich to accuse others of being

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Speaker 19: poor governors when one week after his announcement he's still

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Speaker 19: not really clear what the management structure of Tifatura really is.

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Speaker 20: Mister speaker, what is not rich as Health New Zealand

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Speaker 20: because of the deficit that member left.

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Speaker 19: Does his private health insurance cover injury sustained while being

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Speaker 19: thrown under the bus by the PM.

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Speaker 18: I think doctor Shane got the better of doctor Verel there, but.

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Speaker 2: Of course he came back so fast. There is quick reflexes,

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Speaker 2: quick humor. That's very good done.

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Speaker 18: It is and you don't often see that from doctor Shane,

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Speaker 18: who's usually quite clinical and quite black and white in

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Speaker 18: what he says. But I thought it had quite a

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Speaker 18: bit you could hear in the background. But the real

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Speaker 18: problem today happened when a Green Party MP of Ricardo

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Speaker 18: Menendez March stood up in the house instead the following.

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Speaker 21: Just wanted to raise a matter of that it take

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Speaker 21: personal offense to just finished a matter that I took

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Speaker 21: personal offense to. Oh yeah, so after the point of

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Speaker 21: forwarder that I did in relationship to Tamotha Paul's question,

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Speaker 21: Todd McLay, the Minister of Trade, through a bar back, saying, quote,

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Speaker 21: as best as I can understand, you're not in mexicanal,

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Speaker 21: we don't do things like that here.

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Speaker 18: So, in case you didn't hear, he said, you're not

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Speaker 18: in Mexico now, we don't do that things here. Is

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Speaker 18: that what he alleged that Todd McClay said in the house.

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Speaker 18: Now Tod McLay, of course, being the Trade minister, and

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Speaker 18: Riccardo is from Mexico. So Speaker Jerry brownly did the

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Speaker 18: basically the one thing that he could in this instance

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Speaker 18: and asked Todd McLay, if he did do it, to

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Speaker 18: stand up, withdraw and apologize for the comment. So the

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Speaker 18: house watched as sheepish Todd McLay stood up and addressed

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Speaker 18: his peers, I withdrawal apologize so you can hear in

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Speaker 18: the backgrounds what you say. Oh my gosh, In fact,

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Speaker 18: Chris Hipkins saying good luck getting a trade deal with Mexico.

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Speaker 18: Now on that one. Now speaking to me to outside

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Speaker 18: the house, Riccardo called out McLay further follow.

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Speaker 21: Trade Minister, who represents this in the world stage. I

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Speaker 21: think those outright racist and cenaphobic comments I'm defending off

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Speaker 21: a trade minister and it was listen, it's.

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Speaker 18: Just plain stupid from McLay. I mean there's microphones everywhere.

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Speaker 18: He sits quite close to the opposition MPs, and of

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Speaker 18: course it's offensive and I think that he should have probably,

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Speaker 18: you know, he owes Riccardo more than just an apology here.

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Speaker 18: I think he should probably go and make amends. But

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Speaker 18: it's just as stupid distraction for the government, I think.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, and that's what the House is for. For

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Speaker 2: a bit of this fun speaking of the heightened levels

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Speaker 2: of tensions. Here some real stuff. The Maori Wards legislation

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Speaker 2: had its third reading today and how did that play out?

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Speaker 18: Indeed, that is correct. It is just went through the

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Speaker 18: House and that has been scrapped. It's been repealed. The

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Speaker 18: third reading went through. You can probably imagine how it

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Speaker 18: played out in the House today. Here's a bit of it.

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Speaker 22: This is a shameful day for our parliament, mister Speaker,

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Speaker 22: as we pass another piece of legislation that discriminates against Marty,

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Speaker 22: that treats Marty differently to other New Zealanders.

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Speaker 18: So I'll go through the legislation now because everybody's pretty

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Speaker 18: under clued up on what it is. But there was

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Speaker 18: a lot of opposition to it, including of course by

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Speaker 18: Tipati Marti. And here's what MP Mariameno Kappaccini said about

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Speaker 18: it just moments ago.

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Speaker 23: The removal of Marti Wards is merely another open invite

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Speaker 23: to race this across this fenua to the open season

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Speaker 23: against Ewie Madi. This open invite is welcomed by this

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Speaker 23: government and in fact it reinforces their agenda that would

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Speaker 23: see our open and upfront extermination as a people, in

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Speaker 23: whatever sense that may be.

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Speaker 18: So you know, extermination is probably a bit extreme here.

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Speaker 18: It's not really surprising given the use of inflammatory language

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Speaker 18: that's been used by Ti Parti Marti in the House before.

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Speaker 18: But the party you know there last week were the

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Speaker 18: ones that called for a bit more decorum in the house.

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Speaker 18: So again I said it was ironic at the time. Now,

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Speaker 18: one person who was not happy about this was National's

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Speaker 18: James Mega, who had had a guts full of the

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Speaker 18: opposition today.

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Speaker 24: So here's a message to the tens of thousands of individuals,

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Speaker 24: of children, of young people, of workers out there in

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Speaker 24: New Zealand who identify who fuck Papa Maldi, who don't

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Speaker 24: look like them, who don't think like them, who don't

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Speaker 24: share their worldview, and who they think don't count. Well,

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Speaker 24: those people do count, and we share the view that

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Speaker 24: their individual views count. Whether they share the views of

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Speaker 24: Willie Jackson or to Party Maldi, their views count.

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Speaker 18: So you can tell how worried the opposition is about

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Speaker 18: that certain MP with all the background noise. And I

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Speaker 18: tell you what, James Meagher gets up to speak, he

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Speaker 18: gets a lot of feedback from the opposition, so I

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Speaker 18: would say he's certainly one to watch good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Jason, Can I just say that I've found some of

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Speaker 2: the stuff that DEPARTI Marley have seen some of their

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Speaker 2: rhetoric to be far more aggressive than anything you've ever

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Speaker 2: reported on today.

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Speaker 18: This is unfortunately getting pretty par for the course, Like

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Speaker 18: this is not even the first time they've used the

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Speaker 18: word extermination in the house.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, pot kettle black and I thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for your time today. Jason Walls is coming up

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Speaker 2: seven minutes to five. This is News Talk zebby.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking

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Speaker 1: breakfast explim Minister crystalher lections telling this that members of

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Speaker 1: boards and executives and health couldn't get basic financial information.

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Speaker 7: Is that possible?

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 20: That's why we've made the interventions we have for what

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Speaker 20: actually happened. Let's be honest about it was a really

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Speaker 20: botched merger. We remember mergers and a quositions. Well, if

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Speaker 20: you buy a new company, you really identify the sinities,

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Speaker 20: get out the duplication and you build up proper organ

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Speaker 20: In this case, twenty one d actually being basically carried

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Speaker 20: on the glare of manasment over the top of it,

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Speaker 20: and no financial reporting and literacy provided to the board,

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Speaker 20: and didn't ask questions about information they needed to know.

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Speaker 20: So I no longer a board unless to leven and

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Speaker 20: it'll be great.

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Speaker 2: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 2: Jaguine Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 2: The news that has broken over the course of the

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Speaker 2: last hour, and it's good news but also very stat

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Speaker 2: of tragic news is that the remains of missing christ

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Speaker 2: Church where the agent Young They Boo, have been found.

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Speaker 25: While searching private farmland in the Green Park area this morning.

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Speaker 25: A shallow grave was discovered along a tree line.

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Speaker 2: Although police cannot formally identify the remains as Bow, they

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Speaker 2: are pretty confident it's her.

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Speaker 25: The remains are not immediately able to be formally identified,

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Speaker 25: and work is now underway to excavate and forensically examine them.

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Speaker 2: Been there since July last year. That's a long time,

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Speaker 2: and it was a shallow grave and it's all quite

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Speaker 2: creepy and quite icky. The other thing, of course, is

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Speaker 2: that they searched the area quite a lot over the

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Speaker 2: period of time. It's only now that they've founded so

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Speaker 2: that's going to be some relief to their family. More

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Speaker 2: details as the details come to hand in our news

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Speaker 2: next hour. Of course, the Polkinghorn trial. Chelsea Daniels is there.

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Speaker 2: We'll have audio at reportage. What was said in court

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Speaker 2: today last yesterday was electric Today I think will be

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Speaker 2: the same. And then we're talking to Craig Kirkwood. Here

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Speaker 2: is Hayden Wilde's coach, and Hayden Wilde is our main

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Speaker 2: chance in the triathlon and the triathon has now been postponed.

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Speaker 2: And Bill sent me a very good text earlier today

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Speaker 2: said what abomma for the athletes. If you've played serious sport,

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Speaker 2: you'll know your daily diet and training routine is aimed

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Speaker 2: at only one day, especially diet, and this throws a

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Speaker 2: bent spanner in the works for athletes who have been

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Speaker 2: focused on one day and one day only for years

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Speaker 2: and now Paris on a punt, have had to postpone

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Speaker 2: the triathlon, screwing up all the competitors. It's a silly

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Speaker 2: old punt, really, wasn't it anyway? How is and dealing

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Speaker 2: with it? What does the river smell like? And other

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Speaker 2: questions about Paris with Hayden's coach Greig Kirkwood coming up

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Speaker 2: in ten minutes time here on news Stalk ZIB.

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Speaker 9: You there are alone.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickins on hither due to see allan drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand Let's get connected.

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Speaker 11: News Talk ZIDB.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. The thirtieth of July

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Speaker 2: and the second day of Philip Polkinghorn's trial has begun.

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Speaker 2: The former Organdie surgeon is accused of murdering his wife,

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Speaker 2: Pauline Hannah in April twenty twenty one, although his defense

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Speaker 2: claims she took her own life. So today the court

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Speaker 2: began to hear from those who first attended the scene

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Speaker 2: at the couple's renu Were home. After Pokinghorn called one

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Speaker 2: one one as saying his wife was dead. We have

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Speaker 2: Daniel's there covering the trial. She's with us now, Hello, Chelsea,

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Speaker 2: hi Yah. What was the focus of today's evidence.

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Speaker 4: Well, just like he said, we heard from those who

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Speaker 4: first attended this scene the couple's renu Era home. It

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Speaker 4: painted a picture of what happened that morning, what poking

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Speaker 4: Horn told first responders, and what he says happened the

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Speaker 4: night before. The pair had a drink or two in

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Speaker 4: their upstairs library and she cooked dinner. They watched a

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Speaker 4: bit of Netflix together before going to bed around ten pm.

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Speaker 4: He got up early around seven forty five to make breakfasts.

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Speaker 4: He's toast and he used another stairwell to get to

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Speaker 4: the kitchen, the closest to the master bedroom and sleeping in.

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Speaker 4: But after that he went to go upstairs via another staircase,

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Speaker 4: and that's when he finds Hannah plumped leaning forward in

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Speaker 4: a chair with a belt around her neck.

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Speaker 2: What was it in the court about Pokinghorn's demeanor that morning?

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Speaker 10: Well.

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Speaker 4: Saint John's paramedic Hannah Mathieson was one of the first

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Speaker 4: ambulance members actually at the Outland Road scene. She told

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Speaker 4: Barrister Brian Dickie, as she was asking him questions about

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Speaker 4: that morning's event, he seemed to come.

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Speaker 11: Did he say anything about the patient?

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Speaker 26: That he knew that she was dead?

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Speaker 5: And yeah, that she was his wife?

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Speaker 27: And how did he appear at this time when you

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Speaker 27: were speaking.

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Speaker 26: With him reasonably calm? Wasn't crying, didn't seem distressed, was

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Speaker 26: answering our questions appropriately? Yeah, gave full name and date

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Speaker 26: of birth, said that the patient had depression, but was

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Speaker 26: unaware of the names of any medications that the patient took.

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Speaker 11: And he said the patient had depression.

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Speaker 10: That he.

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Speaker 11: Did he just say just that or did he say

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Speaker 11: more than that to describe beet.

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Speaker 4: I can only recall him saying that, so I should

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Speaker 4: say the other officers and those attending that morning, some

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Speaker 4: say he was calm, some say he was wailing and crying.

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Speaker 4: A defense lawyer Ron Mansfield told the court that Madison

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Speaker 4: must deal with all kinds of states of emotion in

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Speaker 4: her line of work, and I would have.

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Speaker 27: Thought there's no ideal or standard presentation of somebody, would

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Speaker 27: that be right?

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Speaker 11: That is correct?

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Speaker 26: Everyone responds differently.

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Speaker 27: Some people are broken down and can hardly speak, can

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Speaker 27: hardly move as one extreme yes, and then some people

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Speaker 27: are composed trying to deal with the situation and try

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Speaker 27: to ensure that they provide you with as much help

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Speaker 27: as they can.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Chelsea. Well, the responders also spoke about

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Speaker 2: some kind of wound on Polkinghorn's head.

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Speaker 5: Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So this was something that was alluded to yesterday

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Speaker 4: in the Crown's hours long opening. It seems like Karen

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Speaker 4: Anx and police officers at the scene all agree they

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Speaker 4: saw kind of that cut, a graze or something in

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Speaker 4: the middle of his forehead. Here's Constable Andrew Rowlands, like

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Speaker 4: pretty much right.

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Speaker 10: In the center of his forehead. How would you describe it, Ah,

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Speaker 10: It's probably about maybe no bigger than the size of

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Speaker 10: a golf ball in terms of the diameter, And it

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Speaker 10: was more like a graze. It didn't like as if

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Speaker 10: you know, you'd bang your head on concrete or something.

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Speaker 10: Didn't look like a deep cut or anything.

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Speaker 2: Chelsea did because we'll say anything else, because he was

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Speaker 2: the one who got poking Hern's first statement.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so he was. In that statement, which took about

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Speaker 4: forty odd minutes to take, he explained the events of

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Speaker 4: the night before and that morning. He had mentioned that

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Speaker 4: Hannah had his history of depression. She was taking antidepression.

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Speaker 10: Pauline has been on and off depressed for several years.

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Speaker 10: She takes some antidepressant medication. I'm not sure what it's called.

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Speaker 10: She has been taking it for several years. I'm not

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Speaker 10: sure if she still has been taking it recently. She

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Speaker 10: has also suffered from bolimia about five years ago. She

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Speaker 10: has been taking weight reduction medication. Also, Pauline has been

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Speaker 10: exhausted in recent times. This has been mainly from working

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Speaker 10: such long hours.

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Speaker 4: After Polkinghorn finished giving his statement, he read each cage

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Speaker 4: and he signed them a comfortable Roland then handed the

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Speaker 4: signed document over to his sergeant, Chris Duillian gave him.

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Speaker 10: All the papers and at that point Sergeant Chris had

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Speaker 10: written on his hand the number one in the letter

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Speaker 10: C and he showed it to me, which is basically

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Speaker 10: police code for suspicious circumstances.

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Speaker 4: So by late morning, before Polkinghorn's statement was finished, officers

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Speaker 4: were treating this seen as suspicious. We'll be hearing more

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Speaker 4: from the crown witnesses tomorrow as well.

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Speaker 2: And indeed, just a little while ago in the court

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Speaker 2: we heard a bit more detail about Pauline Hannah's body

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Speaker 2: and the injuries she had.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so Detective Comfortable Brook Everson gave evidence this afternoon.

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Speaker 4: She was in charge of Hannah's body. She was found

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Speaker 4: on the ground covered with a douvet with a pillow

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Speaker 4: under her hand, lying on her back. She was wearing

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Speaker 4: a white dress and down tied with a knot at

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Speaker 4: the waist. It's kind of like a robe waistband. Her

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Speaker 4: head was tilted to the left and there was obvious

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Speaker 4: markings on her neck about three centimeters in width in

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Speaker 4: a cliss cross kind of pattern. On the right side

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Speaker 4: of the front of her neck. There was a cut

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Speaker 4: on the left side of the bridge of her nose.

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Speaker 4: It was fresh, not scabbed over, she said, and there

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Speaker 4: was blood coming from her left to ear. There was

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Speaker 4: some bruising on her inner right side, and on her

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Speaker 4: left hand. There was blood between her four and middle fingers,

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Speaker 4: but that didn't appear to be a cut. It was

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Speaker 4: just so we'll hear more about that tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Chelsea Daniels, thank you. So much. Chelsea is in court

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Speaker 2: and for more coverage from Chelsea on this trial, you

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Speaker 2: can listen to the podcast it's called Accused, the polking

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Speaker 2: Horn Trial. It's on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your

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Speaker 2: podcast News Talk Sibby. So the men's triathon at the

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Speaker 2: Olympics has been postponed. The race was going to happen tonight,

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Speaker 2: I believe six pm our time. It's now scheduled to

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Speaker 2: take place at eight forty five pm tomorrow, New Zealand time.

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Speaker 2: This is after the women's Triathan ki we Haden Wilde

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Speaker 2: of course is hoping to get a medal in the

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Speaker 2: men's triathm when it does finally happen, and Hayden's coach

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Speaker 2: Craig Kirkwood joins me.

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Speaker 5: Now, Hello Craig, good, good morning or good evening for

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Speaker 5: news ELM.

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Speaker 2: So frustrating, yes.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, frustrating a bit of an annoyance, but we was

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Speaker 28: It had been forecast for a while that there could

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Speaker 28: be delays due to water quality, so it's not completely unexpected,

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Speaker 28: but we were really hoping.

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Speaker 5: We'd be race this morning.

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Speaker 2: What did they tell you about the river?

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Speaker 28: Just at the cola levels were too high based on

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Speaker 28: the rainfall that was occurred over the weekend, which didn't

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Speaker 28: seem like a huge amount of rain, but I think

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Speaker 28: any runoff causes a bit of a stir in the

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Speaker 28: river and causes the pollution levels to spike. So we've

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Speaker 28: had two days of fine weather now and we're on

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Speaker 28: to our third. So hopefully this is the last of

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Speaker 28: the high cola levels and it'll be good.

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Speaker 5: Person, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Look, you are a triath and coach and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to ask you for the weather forecast. So we've got

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Speaker 2: dry conditions for a while.

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Speaker 5: That's that's my understanding is that it's going to be nice.

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Speaker 2: Yet, what time were you told.

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Speaker 5: We had?

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Speaker 28: We got to report through about four o'clock this morning

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Speaker 28: local time, which we knew was coming.

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Speaker 5: They do a meeting of three point thirty am in.

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Speaker 28: The morning here and then report on the water quality

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Speaker 28: and what other things, any other that might occur.

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Speaker 5: Four o'clock.

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Speaker 2: What local time is a race? When local time was

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Speaker 2: the race supposed to go? What up was at six

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Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning or seven.

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Speaker 5: Eight this morning? So we had four hours four hours morning.

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Speaker 2: You had four hours warning and Hayden, of course, we

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Speaker 2: went to bed the night before, he'd done all the

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Speaker 2: dietary preparations. I would have presumed to get ready for

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Speaker 2: race the next day at four in the morning, I

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Speaker 2: presume he's still asleep.

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Speaker 5: He was still asleep. Yeah, he woke up.

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Speaker 28: He woke up about five o'clock, as did Dylan McCulloch,

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Speaker 28: and they came out of their rooms.

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Speaker 5: We've got a small apartment just close to the.

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Speaker 28: Race menu for the night before the race, so we

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Speaker 28: moved in yesterday afternoon and so yeah, they woke up

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Speaker 28: this morning at five and came out of the room

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Speaker 28: and I gat in the news and they promptly went

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Speaker 28: back to bed and felt went back asleep.

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Speaker 5: So're still in be able to sleep now?

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Speaker 2: Well, how debilitating is this for some of the most

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Speaker 2: finely tuned bodies on the planet who have spent four

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Speaker 2: years practicing, eating and working towards a particular day and

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Speaker 2: a particular race.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, it's funny you say it, because Hayden's comment was,

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Speaker 28: I've wasted all these mornings getting up at six am

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Speaker 28: for an eight am start when I you know, if

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Speaker 28: it was going to be ten forty five, I would

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Speaker 28: have got up later to all my training session. So

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Speaker 28: so I mean, I think one of the key things

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Speaker 28: about being an a lead athlete is that you're adaptable

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Speaker 28: and you're able to take these kind of things in

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Speaker 28: your stride and not let it bother you. So you know,

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Speaker 28: I'm sure both these two boys here will be We'll

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Speaker 28: be doing that for the rest of the day and

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Speaker 28: then we'll just get ready we have to go again tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: This is a fascinating story, but with terribly late. I've

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Speaker 2: got one big question for you. Would you be shocked

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Speaker 2: if the race was postponed again? And what would happen

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Speaker 2: if it becomes a de athlete? How do you feel

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Speaker 2: about that?

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be shocked.

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Speaker 28: I'd be disappointed if it was cancer again or postponed again.

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Speaker 28: They do have some other dates later in the in

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Speaker 28: the schedule for the Olympics to run the event, if

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Speaker 28: that's if it comes to that, so and the last

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Speaker 28: resorters it turns into a juazzalon. Personally, I think the

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Speaker 28: juasalone would suit Hayden really well, Like he's a real,

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Speaker 28: very strong runner and he'd better expose Alex Year on

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Speaker 28: the bike on a kind of one on one match

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Speaker 28: up almost so.

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Speaker 5: We've actually seen them really well. But no one wants

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Speaker 5: to win an Olympic duet.

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Speaker 2: No, this is right. I'll have an asterix beercide it.

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Speaker 2: So well said, mate, Look, pass on all our condolences

876
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Speaker 2: to Hayden and you and all the team and in

877
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Speaker 2: fact all the competitors are It's terrible that you're having

878
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Speaker 2: to put up with all of us, but as always,

879
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Speaker 2: all of New Zealand wish is to the very best.

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Speaker 5: Of like go well mate, yeah, thanks very much, appreciate it,

881
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Speaker 5: thank you.

882
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Speaker 2: Five eighteen. What are punt taken by France and it's

883
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Speaker 2: blown up in their phrase? How many times have you

884
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: been postponed to doing business because of fog? Okay, well,

885
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: guess what, We've got some kit that's going to stop that.

886
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Speaker 2: More to come.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: I think all of us have heard about scams. We're

889
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890
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Speaker 2: story about increasingly cunning scammers taking advantage of vulnerable New Zealanders,

891
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895
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Speaker 2: while learning to be more conscious, alert, and aware of scamming.

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Speaker 2: So what does all this mean, Well, it's a training video.

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Speaker 2: It's important to remember that you have the right too

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Speaker 2: ask questions when contacted by someone, be cautious of any

902
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Speaker 2: investment opportunity, hang up on anyone asking for urgent transfer

903
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Speaker 2: co dot nz. Forward slash scams send. Someone writes, Matt rights,

907
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: save for all of those at the event, Andrew, and

908
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: they're all disgusted. And some people will have a better

909
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: constitution and the ability to accept the changes to the

910
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Speaker 2: event than others. Stops it from being a level playing field.

911
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: This is the Olympics. We're not playing Tiley winks here.

912
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: Someone says four hours notice at four am in the morning.

913
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: It's outrageous outrageous, and someone else, Rob says, is this

914
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Speaker 2: a race on the White to Mata Harbor?

915
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Speaker 11: Could be?

916
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Speaker 2: It's embarrassing that me and Paris share very little except

917
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Speaker 2: the fact we both have filthy water systems. It's five eighteen.

918
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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Andrew Dickens on

919
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Speaker 1: heather due to see elan drive with one New Zealand

920
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Speaker 1: let's get connected and us talk.

921
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Speaker 2: Said b Yes, it's now five twenty five. Some good news,

922
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: some new kit to make life better. The government has

923
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: switched on some new satellite dishes which we are meant

924
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Speaker 2: to save us all from fog delays at the airport.

925
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: It's a new facility in Southend and that's going to

926
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Speaker 2: work along with another station in Australia. And it makes

927
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Speaker 2: GPS accurate to within a meter in this part of

928
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Speaker 2: the world, which means planes can fly can land and

929
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Speaker 2: can take off in fogs. Is the Land Information Minister

930
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Speaker 2: and joins me. Now, hello Chris, good afternoon. So does

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Speaker 2: this mean my plane will no longer be delayed by

932
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Speaker 2: the fog and Auckland airport?

933
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Speaker 29: Well, it should certainly reduce the number of delays and

934
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Speaker 29: cancelations as a result of bad weather, whether it's failed

935
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Speaker 29: or other restrictive visibility. So we're really excited if that

936
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Speaker 29: makes you more able to get around the country without

937
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Speaker 29: those destructions. In think search and rescue as well. There's

938
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Speaker 29: a whole heap of different applications that's going to help out,

939
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Speaker 29: even just in aviation, and then you've got a whole

940
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Speaker 29: heap of other uses for it as well. So that's

941
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Speaker 29: really exciting, I know.

942
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Speaker 2: But the planes right up and down the country wherever

943
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Speaker 2: there are fogs, that's a direct cost of productivity. So

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Speaker 2: if we get an increase in there, that's good for

945
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Speaker 2: New Zealand. In what sort of increase in productivity, increase

946
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Speaker 2: in the number of flights that we will go in

947
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Speaker 2: fog will we get.

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Speaker 29: Well, look, it's difficult to know the exact number because

949
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Speaker 29: the technology is improving all the time. And look the

950
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Speaker 29: difference between what you've cited as a meta accuracy and

951
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Speaker 29: what it actually might be In some cases down to

952
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Speaker 29: ten centimeters would you believe could make all the difference

953
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Speaker 29: between a flight being able to land safely or not.

954
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Speaker 29: So as the technology improves over time and we get

955
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Speaker 29: refined positions with various repeater stations around New Zealand and Australia.

956
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Speaker 29: The possibilities just become endless.

957
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Speaker 2: Well, I understand that er Young has already modeled this

958
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Speaker 2: and said sixty five percent drop in the number of

959
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Speaker 2: flights canceled.

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Speaker 5: That's good.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, that'll be incredible, won't it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 29: I mean any kind of change, like you say, from

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Speaker 29: a productivity point of view, and not having people sitting

965
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Speaker 29: around calling their heels in the airport, but also just

966
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Speaker 29: on a human level, you know, to have that certain

967
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Speaker 29: t that can get around much more confidently and suddenly

968
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Speaker 29: it's going to provide a huge boom.

969
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Speaker 2: So what is the cost? How much did this piece

970
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Speaker 2: of kit cost?

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Speaker 29: I don't know if you have a breakdown for the

972
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Speaker 29: individual bits of kit, but I mean suddenly a serious.

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Speaker 2: As a project. As a project, how much does this

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Speaker 2: project costs?

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Speaker 29: I don't actually a bit from in front of me,

976
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Speaker 29: which is remissive me. But what I will say is

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Speaker 29: that to give credit where it's too, it's been a

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Speaker 29: cost that's been committed to over successive governments. You know,

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Speaker 29: these are not long these these are our long run

980
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Speaker 29: investments that need to be made. So the fact that

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Speaker 29: the last government picked up our previous work in the

982
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Speaker 29: fact we're carrying Oh, I think this is good things

983
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Speaker 29: about the value of it to New Zealand. Inkame that

984
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Speaker 29: doesn't need to be a particularly political metter.

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Speaker 2: Therefore, very good Chris pink Land, Information Minister, and I

986
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Speaker 2: thank you for your time. Of course, we are talking

987
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Speaker 2: greatly about financial management. But unfortunately Chris can't tell me

988
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Speaker 2: how much this piece of kick cost, which is a

989
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Speaker 2: little awkward. And speaking of costs, the New Zealand Film

990
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Speaker 2: Commission had a couple of parties, one for saying goodbye

991
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: to a chief executive and one for saying hello to

992
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Speaker 2: the new one. And in both cases we're talking eight

993
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Speaker 2: grand And I don't know about you, but I seem

994
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Speaker 2: to notice that there's been hard times and things have

995
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Speaker 2: been canceled left, right and center, but not at the

996
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Speaker 2: New Zealand Film Commission, which has got some noses out

997
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Speaker 2: of joint today. And one of those noses is Jordan Williams.

998
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: We'll be talking to him right after the News the

999
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Speaker 2: Huddle with Tim Wilson and Allie Jones. I'm Andrew Dickins

1000
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Speaker 2: in for Heather Ellen, who's back on Monday, and this

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Speaker 2: is news Talk's been.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, love your neighbors.

1003
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Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers talk to Andrew first Andrew Dickens on

1004
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Speaker 1: Hither Duplessy Alan Drive with One New Zealand Let's get

1005
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Speaker 1: connected news talk as said be me.

1006
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Speaker 15: Day, been injust.

1007
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Speaker 2: After Welcome back to the program through the thirtieth of July.

1008
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Dickens. Heather is on a break and is

1009
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Speaker 2: back on Monday still to come. We're going to talk

1010
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 2: about in New Zealand, which has dished ditched their admission

1011
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: reduction targets and they pulled out of the science based targets,

1012
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: possibly because they can't reach them, possibly because they're trying

1013
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: to run a business that actually runs a profit. And

1014
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: so reality is starting to kick in a little bit.

1015
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: People are not mitigating their behavior, but what can they do.

1016
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 2: We've got a mathematics professor in to actually really quench

1017
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: the numbers and get down and get into it and

1018
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: look at the science. And his name is Robert McLachlin

1019
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: and he's joining us just after the six o'clock news.

1020
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: We've got the huddle on the way with Ali Jones

1021
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: and Tim Wilson. It's all go. It's twenty two to

1022
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: six zid B, so party gate public servant party gates.

1023
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 2: The New Zealand Film Commission has raised eyebrows for spending

1024
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: nearly seventeen thousand dollars on staff parties in this time

1025
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Speaker 2: and age. More than eight thousand dollars were spent on

1026
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Speaker 2: two farewell parties for the it's two farewell parties for

1027
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Speaker 2: the outgoing chief executive Maladen Avantsch that was approved by

1028
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: the incoming chief Executive, Annie Murray, and then of course

1029
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 2: Maladen Ivanitch, the outgoing executive, approved another eight thousand dollars

1030
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 2: for two welcome parties for the incoming chief executive Annie.

1031
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: The executive director of the Taxpayers Union is Jordan Williams

1032
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: that he joins me now, and you're obviously fulminating, mate,

1033
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: aren't you?

1034
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Speaker 15: Good day? Andrew, Look another week another adjoining your show

1035
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 15: or joining zb if to get another story of the

1036
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 15: Film Commission spaffing money up the wall. If I had

1037
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 15: that sort of behavior, the idea of me signing off

1038
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 15: on or scratching the back of my replacement and him

1039
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 15: scratching my back to sign off on each of these

1040
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 15: parties in any private sector organization, you'd be marched down

1041
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 15: the road, but not at the Film Commission. They seem

1042
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 15: to live on another planet funded by other people.

1043
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, sixteen four hundred and thirty one dollars is what

1044
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 2: they blew. There are fifty four staff. They don't actually

1045
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: make a film, They just wonder about whether a film

1046
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: should be made. Why is it these public servants haven't

1047
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: actually got the memo that says don't spend money for

1048
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: a bit survived till twenty.

1049
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 15: Five because the Film Commission actually don't think that the

1050
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 15: rules apply to them. I mean, let's you know, I

1051
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Speaker 15: wasn't exaggerating that. You know that we're always talking about

1052
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 15: the Film Commission. You know they've had two party. There

1053
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 15: was not just one party for the outgoing guy and

1054
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 15: one for the incoming you know, they had to have

1055
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Speaker 15: one in each of Wellington and Auckland. And if only

1056
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 15: they didn't go through many, so many CEOs. Of course,

1057
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Speaker 15: you remember David Strong cost taxpayers and the only seven

1058
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 15: hundred thousand to get rid of him, including a four

1059
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 15: hundred and forty thousand dollars golden good bye. You know,

1060
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 15: there's very clearly problems at the Film Commission. You know,

1061
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 15: they spend six and a half million dollars on staff costs,

1062
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Speaker 15: fifty four people to dole out only thirty million in grants.

1063
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 15: The films that they give money to the box office

1064
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 15: is less than the subsidies that taxpayers front up and

1065
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Speaker 15: pay for. You know that there's real questions here. Taxpayers

1066
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 15: Union were set up to sort of highlight government waste. Look,

1067
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 15: this whole organization is.

1068
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Speaker 2: So can we cut them some slack? For instance, the

1069
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: approval for the spending was done in mid twenty twenty three,

1070
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Speaker 2: arguably before this government's big savings drive, so they could

1071
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: argue ignorance.

1072
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Speaker 15: Couldn't they No whether it was wasted a year ago

1073
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 15: or today, it's still taxpayer money. I think even even

1074
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 15: the last government wouldn't for a moment defend this. I mean,

1075
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Speaker 15: the whole point of this agency, as best we can tell,

1076
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 15: is to use taxpayer funded champagne to cope another Lord

1077
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Speaker 15: of the Rings. But they're not even doing that.

1078
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Speaker 2: Do you think, though, that the government should actually send

1079
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: out a directive? I mean, the hinters obviously have been

1080
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 2: sent out loud and clear, but they have to do

1081
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: they have to put it out on paper and say

1082
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: just no more parties.

1083
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Speaker 15: Well it's yeah, I mean, Paul Goldsmith's the Minister of

1084
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 15: yards the Ministry uts to do his job. Call in

1085
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 15: the political appointments that sit on this board and say

1086
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 15: do your job. You have to your successive chief executives

1087
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 15: that what first got themselves into trouble. And now the

1088
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 15: middle one and the most recent are clearly showing they

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Speaker 15: can't read the room. You know, a year ago were

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Speaker 15: still under there, still under the cost of living pressure.

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Speaker 15: You know that we've previously called out the Film Commission

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Speaker 15: for sending half a dozen people to literally the purpose

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Speaker 15: of going to Alas to attend the after parties at

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Speaker 15: various awards and the hopes of schmoozing someone with our

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Speaker 15: money to come and set up and do something in

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Speaker 15: New Zealand. I mean this is this is literally a

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Speaker 15: government agency that just operates totally outside the rules. They're

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Speaker 15: allowed to have modest farewell parties.

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Speaker 2: I hope so okay had four of them. All right, Jordan,

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Speaker 2: I thank you. We've got to move on and I

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Speaker 2: thank you so very much. Jordan Williams as the executive

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Speaker 2: director of the Taxplayers Union. It is eighteen to.

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Speaker 1: Six the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty un

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Speaker 1: Parallel Reach and Results and.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle today is man about Town Tim Wilson

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Speaker 2: and also Ali Jones and Red Prday.

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Speaker 30: I don't know about man about town you with?

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Speaker 4: What does that make mean?

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Speaker 31: What does that make mean? I'm a woman about town?

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Speaker 2: Okay, woman, I say man about town because Tim Wilson

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Speaker 2: wears a bow tie.

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Speaker 30: Oh that's true. What about Ellie? Could you be a

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Speaker 30: woman on the rastaz? How about that?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 31: I would not be a woman on the rastas that

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Speaker 31: has a completely different meanings. Man about town, Allie?

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Speaker 2: Allie? Were you about town enough that you were invited

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Speaker 2: to a film commission party?

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Speaker 16: No?

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Speaker 31: But I just heard your interview with Jordan Williams that

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Speaker 31: man would only be happy if people wore fat cloth

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Speaker 31: and ashes to work. Honestly, I mean this is I

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Speaker 31: don't have a problem with this cost. And I'm sick

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Speaker 31: of the word party. If you ever wanted to color

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Speaker 31: something and get a response from people, call it a party,

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Speaker 31: I'm going to call them events. There were four events.

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Speaker 31: It is not a great look when you're tightening belts.

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Speaker 31: But for goodness sake, if you look at the breakdown

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Speaker 31: for the costs and the food and the venue and

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Speaker 31: some transport, it is not unreasonable This organization turned over

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00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 31: thirty four million dollars last year.

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Speaker 12: So let's keep this in perspective and not get.

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Speaker 2: Silly about my partner works in an organization. I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you a city council where in fact, everybody pays for

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Speaker 2: any event like this out of their own pocket.

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Speaker 31: I'm the same. I'm the same, Andrew. I'm a local

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00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 31: elected member. We bring our own biscuits. I'm looking at

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Speaker 31: six chocolate muffins.

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Speaker 2: Now that I so, why can't we do that for

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Speaker 2: a public servant?

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Speaker 31: Because it's a different organization. They turn over thirty four

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Speaker 31: million dollars a year, They have to work with people

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Speaker 31: like Jackson. They have to go to LA to meet

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Speaker 31: these people. And if Jordan wants to call it smooth,

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Speaker 31: we can. But he's really just got to stop making this.

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Speaker 2: At Tim Wilson. That's not It's not called it a party.

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00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: YT's not even call it an event. Let's call it

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00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: practicing for schmoozing for when they do schmoozing on the

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Speaker 2: big stages. How about that would that work for you?

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Speaker 30: Well, I I don't know, have you ever been to

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Speaker 30: one of these farewell and welcome parties that the word party?

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00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 30: Maybe you do might be more appropriate. So it's quite

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Speaker 30: ye know, it's quite making at an event, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 30: But maybe the team wrote four dues over two months.

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00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 30: Maybe they could have just amalgam at sixteen sixteen and

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Speaker 30: a half k. Maybe they just could have had the

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00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 30: one for five k and you really pushed out of

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Speaker 30: the boost budget or maybe put in the cash bar.

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Speaker 30: What I thought was interesting though the guy leaving was

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Speaker 30: thirty years service. I've got to say that if I

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Speaker 30: see a sort of TV with thirty years in the

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00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 30: same place, I'd ask some questions. But that establishes a

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Speaker 30: measure eight k for thirty years, So then if the

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Speaker 30: next CEO does three years, it can be ten percent.

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00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 30: And so you've got a budget of eight hundred bucks

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00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 30: spenters deaveloys and it finishes before the last bus of

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00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 30: Candala good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Tim Wilson and Alie Jones. I've always said that a

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Speaker 2: lot of public service these days of the young up

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Speaker 2: and comers and the indentured. So thirty years sounds a

1171
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Speaker 2: bit like that.

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Speaker 5: But there we go.

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Speaker 2: It's fifteen to six. We're back in a month.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International realty, exceptional marketing

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Speaker 1: for every property, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, not on the huddle, Tim Wilson and Alie Jones. Now,

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Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, I've seen the saddest white board on Earth.

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Speaker 2: I went into the control room just down the road

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Speaker 2: from the news talks at b for our commentary's team

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Speaker 2: at the Olympic Games, and there's a competition they like

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Speaker 2: to play amongst each other. It's like who gets to

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00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: call the most medals? So up there and there's a

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Speaker 2: table medal table there, and then it's got the names.

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Speaker 2: It's got the names Alders, Coops, Elliott, Malcolm, Nick, Compiney

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Speaker 2: our commentators. And then it's got gold, silver and bronze.

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Speaker 2: And there's not one medal, not one medal. Normally apparently

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Speaker 2: Malcolm Malcolm Jordan wins. He gets the most medals to call.

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Speaker 2: So you're chuckling already, are How are you feeling about

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Speaker 2: the total lack of metal in our in our larder?

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Speaker 30: Well, we had we had to wait a week. We

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Speaker 30: had to wait a week in Beijing, in Athens and Sydney.

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Speaker 30: Maybe maybe kiwis are just like starters anyway, sports about participation,

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Speaker 30: Like guys stop winning or losing. Are you saying winnings

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Speaker 30: for winners?

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Speaker 2: It was about branding and national pride and also to

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Speaker 2: make yourself feel better in the cost of living crisis.

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Speaker 31: Ali, No, No, I'm a Crusader supporter, and we know

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Speaker 31: how to pace ourselves down here and still come out winners.

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Speaker 31: So I'm not panicking.

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Speaker 2: You also learned how to lose this year. Can I

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Speaker 2: just say, hey, look.

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Speaker 31: Let's just look go there for the moment. I'm talking

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Speaker 31: about previous years, Andrew, you should know that. And actually,

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Speaker 31: is it about the meddle count as Tim just said,

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Speaker 31: you know, I would rather it be just as much

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Speaker 31: about the stories of the games and the athletes and

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Speaker 31: the opening ceremony and the naked blue guy. I mean,

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Speaker 31: I think that stuff is really important to give us

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Speaker 31: a flavor of the games. One thing you might know,

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Speaker 31: because I haven't been following them and don't follow them closely.

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Speaker 31: Are our best events still to come?

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Speaker 12: Is that part of this issue?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Rowing, sailing, Aaron Gates is cycling. Yeah, I think we've

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Speaker 2: got better events to come.

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Speaker 11: Yeah you can, you're going now, you're going.

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Speaker 30: Well, I just it's not really about the naked blue guy.

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Speaker 30: Can we not go there's nothing. There's nothing lazier or

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Speaker 30: silly of the blasphemy.

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Speaker 17: Let's oh you know I should know that.

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Speaker 31: Come, I'm sorry, this.

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Speaker 2: My agreeably, Tim, Tim, can I say, okay, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to disagree with you there because I as I understand it,

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Speaker 2: that naked blue guy was Dansis, who was actually part

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Speaker 2: of a takeoff of a French painting which is all

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Speaker 2: about the gods at Olympus, which was painted by a

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Speaker 2: painter who was inspired by the picture of the Last Supper,

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't in fact, that's first. How do you

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Speaker 2: feel about that?

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Speaker 30: Yeah, no, I've heard I've heard that theory. But the

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Speaker 30: Olympics did apologize about mocking the Last Supper, so if

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Speaker 30: they apologized for it, probably.

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Speaker 2: Doing it, they should really be apologizing for the absolute

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Speaker 2: lack of you know, swimmi our medals and the swim water.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's heartbreaking too, all right, Okay McDonald's

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Speaker 2: grappling with falling sails, now, Tim, you feed children, this

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Speaker 2: must be.

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Speaker 26: It is.

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Speaker 30: It is expensive, and they're they're they're doing this at

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Speaker 30: a time when I think out and Dominoes they're having

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Speaker 30: a price war. So you're looking at you can fill

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Speaker 30: a kid's gut for five bucks. There you go up

1243
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 30: market a bit six fifty for a popcorn snack, but

1244
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Speaker 30: box at KFC. But the kids always want a drink,

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Speaker 30: so discount the drink. That's what I'm saying to macs

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Speaker 30: free drinks.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I just asked our research department to

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Speaker 2: tell me how much it is for a big mac,

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01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 2: a medium coked medium phrase in other words, known as

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Speaker 2: the medium combo, because as I understand that that is

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Speaker 2: a standard for all currencies, just like gold and all

1252
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Speaker 2: sorts of other things you can compare internationally. You can

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Speaker 2: compare the state of the economies by the cost of

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Speaker 2: a big mac medium combo. And then our research department

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Speaker 2: says it changes in every restaurant nowadays, And I thought, well,

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Speaker 2: that's just wrong.

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Speaker 30: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 31: See I remember going overseas and going into restaurants, and

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Speaker 31: you were supposed to look at the price of the

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Speaker 31: big Mac. I don't know about the combo thing, but

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Speaker 31: certainly the big big Mac was an indication. Then you

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Speaker 31: know your takeaway food term, that is unbelievable. You should

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Speaker 31: have an eight hundred number.

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Speaker 32: I'm impressed.

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Speaker 30: Oh boy, this is so embarrassing sugg just stuff we

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Speaker 30: researched on the internet. Okay, guys, I have no personal

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Speaker 30: experience of this whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Term You're a great dad, a better late than never,

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Speaker 2: and I thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 2: And Ali you are magnificent and you are a woman

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Speaker 2: about town. And I thank you for your time as well.

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Speaker 2: And we'll see you guys a later time.

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Speaker 12: Okay, thank you, Andrew.

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Speaker 30: Thank you Andrew on.

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your

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Speaker 1: car on your drive home. Heather dupleic Allen drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News Talk ZIBBB.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Dickinson for Heather. She's back on Monday. We've

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Speaker 2: got the news coming up at six and then we're

1280
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Speaker 2: right into it. We'll look at the New Zealand ditching

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Speaker 2: the emission reduction targets, and then later we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk to Casey Costello about this interesting tobacco excise story,

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Speaker 2: which is a little a little confusing and a little complex.

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Speaker 2: The story goes that the government and Associate Health Minister

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Speaker 2: Casey Costello, who is also the Custom Minister, have decided

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Speaker 2: to make a fifty percent cut to the excise on

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Speaker 2: a thing called htps. Now, they are a new cigarette

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01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: that's where tobacco is heated into a vapor rather than burnt.

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Speaker 2: So it's apparently better for you, and the tobacco companies

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Speaker 2: are thinking, excellent, we can keep selling something and we

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Speaker 2: can keep making money even as everyone starts to give

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Speaker 2: up smoking. So we cut the XCIZE tax on those

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Speaker 2: products by fifty percent. Now, it has been found out

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Speaker 2: in a cabinet paper released without fanfare on the Health

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Speaker 2: Ministry's website that Cabinet has agreed to set aside two

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixteen million dollars to cover the lost revenue.

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Speaker 2: Now that is a lot of htps. So at the moment,

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Speaker 2: we sell about six million dollars worth of htps because

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Speaker 2: it's a new product. To get two hundred and sixteen

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Speaker 2: million dollars worth of XCIZE tax off the things suggests

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Speaker 2: that they're thinking that this is going to explode, that

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Speaker 2: the use of the htps is going to explode. Now,

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Speaker 2: the government, or Casey Costello in particular, will argue that

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Speaker 2: this is a tobacco sensation I shouldn't say sensation cesstation device.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, this is a very good

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Speaker 2: deal for the tobacco companies who are desperately looking to

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Speaker 2: make some money. So we'll ask Casey about this whole

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Speaker 2: thing which is causing some ructions about the place, whether

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Speaker 2: it's actually good for smokers, whether they've got the money,

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Speaker 2: whether it's the right thing to cut the tax on.

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Speaker 2: In about half an hour time, but next yes, the

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Speaker 2: Air New Zealand options. Right here on News Talks it

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Speaker 2: be I'm Andrew Dickins, some rock and roll, please thank you?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 9: What's down on?

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Speaker 1: What will the major calls and how will it affect

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Speaker 1: the economy of the big business questions on the Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Andrew Dickens and my Hr on us Talks

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Speaker 1: it be.

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Speaker 2: As Brad Olson's on the way. But right now with

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Speaker 2: the time at eight minutes of six, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: what's up with a New Zealand. They are ditching their

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Speaker 2: carbon reduction targets. So they're going to withdraw from a

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Speaker 2: science based target's initiative that they have only been in

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Speaker 2: for two years now. They plan to cut carbon intensity

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Speaker 2: twenty eight point nine percent by twenty thirty. But now

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Speaker 2: the airline says we're not going to do that. We're

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Speaker 2: not going to get our new fuel efficient planes until later,

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Speaker 2: and the affordability of alternative fuels is also an issue,

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Speaker 2: so it's off the table. So to talk about this,

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by Sam Dean, who is a principal scientist

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Speaker 2: for Climate from newha Sam. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 32: Good evening, Andrew Margot, it were you.

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Speaker 2: Surprised at this or was it writing pretty much on

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Speaker 2: the wall really because of many reasons?

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Speaker 32: Yeah, I mean many reasons. I think reducing emissions in

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Speaker 32: aviation is one of the biggest challenges.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 32: They don't have many choices. They're fundamentally their business is

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Speaker 32: about flying planes. And as they as they openly said,

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Speaker 32: they're dependent on a whole lot of the things that

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Speaker 32: are out of their control with new planes, whether they're

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Speaker 32: available to and access to buy a fuels that are

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Speaker 32: cheap enough rate that they can actually run their business economically.

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Speaker 2: And the fact of the matter is that New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: still want to fly. New Zealanders still want to get

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Speaker 2: on a plan and they want to go to Tuscany,

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Speaker 2: and they want to go all over the world. And

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Speaker 2: they have not they have not stopped their travel bug

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Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form and Air New Zealand

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Speaker 2: have responded to to the demand, which is a mandate,

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Speaker 2: which is kind of like a mandate for Air New

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Speaker 2: Zealand to go out there and burn.

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Speaker 12: In.

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Speaker 32: New Zealand's business is about flying people and the more

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Speaker 32: people that fly, the more money will make. They are

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Speaker 32: talking about their intensity, so you know how much is

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Speaker 32: you know, per person traveling?

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Speaker 2: What what what that that that.

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Speaker 32: Efficiency is and how much emissions are associated with it?

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Speaker 32: But yes, they're if they grow more people flying New Zealanders.

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Speaker 32: We're a small country at the you know, trade is

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Speaker 32: important to us, travel is important to us, into connectivity

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Speaker 32: is important to us. But that doesn't mean we don't

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Speaker 32: need to reduce submissions, right, So it's going to If

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Speaker 32: we don't do it in aviation, you know we're going

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Speaker 32: to have to do it in other sector of the economy.

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Speaker 2: We have a unique thing, quite right, Air New Zealand

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Speaker 2: and New Zealanders have no other options. You know, if

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Speaker 2: you're in Croatia, you can get somewhere on a train

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Speaker 2: and it's powered by electricity. But we are on three islands,

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Speaker 2: four if you count the Chathams, right in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the ocean. The only way where you can really

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Speaker 2: get out and about and do this stuff. Isn't a plane.

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Speaker 32: I agree, it's very difficult for New Zealand, but you know,

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Speaker 32: that's so reducing. It's good that the New Zealand is

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Speaker 32: being upfront and saying they they don't see how they

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Speaker 32: can meet those targets at the stage. They're being honest

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Speaker 32: and upfront and so flying remains an unfriendly climate activity,

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Speaker 32: but we're going to have to reduce submissions somehow, so

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Speaker 32: it just puts pressure on us to reduce them in

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Speaker 32: other ways. And there are things in transport, you know,

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Speaker 32: where we have technologies like electro vehicles on the shelf

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Speaker 32: that are you know, only marginally more expensive than petrol

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Speaker 32: vehicles and things like that where we can make productions

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Speaker 32: and emissions true.

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Speaker 2: It would help if we finished off the electrification of

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Speaker 2: the main railway, of course, which we started and then

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Speaker 2: stopped and have never finished.

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Speaker 32: But there we go.

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Speaker 2: But here's the things.

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Speaker 32: Completely air.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand has talked a lot about wanting to become

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Speaker 2: more sustainable. They hired a chief Sustainability officer. They've got

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Speaker 2: former Climate Change Minister James Shaw who's clipping the ticket

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Speaker 2: as an advisor but as you said, the entire model

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Speaker 2: is antithetic to ever achieving that. So you know there's

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Speaker 2: a bit of virtue signaling in the whole thing, don't

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Speaker 2: you think.

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Speaker 32: Well, I mean, in the long term, they may well

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Speaker 32: have options to reduce emissions. I guess they're signaling out

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Speaker 32: to two thousand and thirty. They don't see themselves achieving

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Speaker 32: the target they previously set. But this is a this

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Speaker 32: is a big question. I feel like this is the decade, right,

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Speaker 32: This is the time where the rubber's hitting the road,

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Speaker 32: where these great ambitions that people have put down on

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Speaker 32: the tables reducing emissions are coming up against the reality

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Speaker 32: of how hard that's going to be. I mean, New

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Speaker 32: Zealand has made in a commitment under the Paris Agreement,

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Speaker 32: and we don't expect to meet that as the reduction

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Speaker 32: of emissions in New Zealand. So we're the only way

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Speaker 32: to do that then is to buy offshore, and that's

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Speaker 32: going to be hideous expensive.

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Speaker 2: We don't want to do that as a present problem

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Speaker 2: here as well as a precedent though. This is quite

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Speaker 2: awkward really because other companies will look at what Air

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Speaker 2: New Zealand has done and possibly feel emboldened by that

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Speaker 2: pullback and says, well, look, any New Zealand's not doing it,

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Speaker 2: why should I?

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Speaker 32: Yeah, I mean that's it's a New Zealand wants it.

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Speaker 32: I think any New Zealand is genuine in its desire

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Speaker 32: and commitment to reduce its carbon intensity. It's saying it

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Speaker 32: doesn't have pull available CASKID, but you can't do so

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Speaker 32: economically at the moment in the short next five to

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Speaker 32: six years. I think we have to keep telling the

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Speaker 32: story that in other parts of the New Zealand economy

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Speaker 32: we do have options to reduce ambissions economically and can

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Speaker 32: do so. And yes, there is a risk, as you highlighted,

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Speaker 32: that people see this as you know that they can't

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Speaker 32: do it, why should I work in anyone? It's all hopeless.

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Speaker 32: I don't think we can look at it that way.

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Speaker 32: I think there are real opportunities. It's just going to

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Speaker 32: it just was always the case that aviation was extremely

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Speaker 32: difficult and it's probably the last problem we're going to

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Speaker 32: be able to solve because electric planes are not really

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Speaker 32: yet feasible.

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Speaker 2: Sam. Thank you so much. Thank you for your work.

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Speaker 2: Sam as the principal scientist for Climator for Climate at MIGWA.

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Speaker 2: The second word isn't part of his title in any way,

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Speaker 2: shape or form. It is six thirteen. This is news

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Speaker 2: Talks here. Big brad Olsen's on the way. Also some

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Speaker 2: good news for Smith and Coe which I'd like to

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Speaker 2: talk about and suggest some ideas to any venture capitalists

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Speaker 2: out there crunching.

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Speaker 1: The numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Dup for

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Speaker 1: c Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR,

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Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME on news talksb if it's

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Speaker 1: to do with money, it matters to you. The Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Andrew Dickens and my HR the HR platform

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Speaker 1: for SME.

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Speaker 2: Us talks, they'd be texts through ninety two ninety two.

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Speaker 2: Good point, Andrew. Why was the main trunk line not

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Speaker 2: completely electrified? Be because the government didn't believe in it.

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Speaker 2: So the idea of electric electrifying the main trunk line

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Speaker 2: was first started in November nineteen eighteen, and that was

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Speaker 2: because we had a coal shortage, so they said let's

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Speaker 2: electrify it. Then we started electrifying it after report in

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four. Now there are three sections of the

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Speaker 2: main trunk line which are electrified or conserveive network essential

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Speaker 2: a central section from past the north to Rapper and

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Speaker 2: the Wellington urban network in the rest aint because a

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Speaker 2: government didn't believe in it and then nobody ever talks

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 9: But there we go.

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Speaker 17: Right.

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Speaker 2: It is now seventeen minutes after six and the government's

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Speaker 2: tax cuts are coming into force tomorrow. Inflation has been

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Speaker 2: tracking firmly in the right direction recently, so the FEDS

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Speaker 2: Minister will be crossing her fingers and to's that these

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Speaker 2: tax cuts have absolutely no impact on inflation. Who knows

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Speaker 2: about that, Brad Olsen who joins me now, HALLI Brad

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Speaker 2: good evening any risk that these tax cuts are inflationary, I.

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Speaker 33: Mean, certainly, given the way they've been funded, I don't

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Speaker 33: think there's as much risk as as some people have

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Speaker 33: made it out to be previously. The government has of

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Speaker 33: course been or decided to spend less money itself and

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Speaker 33: instead let people effectively keep more of their own money,

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Speaker 33: and therefore, in a sense it's a switch in terms

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Speaker 33: of who's spending it, rather than sort of a huge

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Speaker 33: additional amount of stimulus into the economy. You're right though

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Speaker 33: as well, with inflation at three point three percent in

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Speaker 33: the latest quarter, things are trending in the right direction.

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Speaker 33: There might well be a slight boost in retail activity

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Speaker 33: because of the tax cuts, but I think that's probably

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Speaker 33: going to be far overshadowed by the high interest rates

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Speaker 33: that people are still dealing with. Shops are still not

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Speaker 33: going to be ringing off their hinges come tomorrow, and

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Speaker 33: so it's it'll make a bit of a difference, but

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Speaker 33: it's certainly not going to completely up end the economic track.

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Speaker 2: Listening to talk about this afternoon with Simon Barnett and

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Speaker 2: James Daniels, so I heard a lot of people complaining

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Speaker 2: about it and that the government is giving with one

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Speaker 2: hand and taking with the other. And they were talking

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Speaker 2: about how cuts to government services, like what subsidies towards

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Speaker 2: public transport all ends out with bills going into their pockets.

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Speaker 2: And the big one for them was rates. They were

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Speaker 2: complaining about rates all afternoon long, saying those rates are

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Speaker 2: going to sky high. They're the ones driving that's driving

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Speaker 2: inflation in a real term for New Zealanders in their wallets,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Well not in particular.

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Speaker 33: I mean, rates are only three percent of the total

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Speaker 33: inflation basket, so there's a lot of other things. I

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Speaker 33: mean the likes of insurance, I'd point a lot more

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Speaker 33: of a finger at than the likes of rates. But

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Speaker 33: also I think that also speaks to the decisions that

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Speaker 33: central government will have to make with the money that

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Speaker 33: it's got, you know, because we know, for example, that

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Speaker 33: local government's only collecting about ten percent of total sort

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Speaker 33: of taxation, both rates and central government taxes and similar

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Speaker 33: they're responsible for twenty five percent of the infrastructure. So

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Speaker 33: if we want decent infrastructure, someone's got to pay for it,

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Speaker 33: and at the moment that's got to come partly from

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Speaker 33: rates funding the debt on these sorts of things. But

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Speaker 33: I think probably a lot of households, and the point

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Speaker 33: they're right is that a lot of households will have

1517
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 33: effectively spent the tax cut before it even hits their

1518
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 33: back pocket because of those higher costs across the board. So,

1519
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 33: like I say, I mean, we've heard from retailers that

1520
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 33: aren't expecting a big boost.

1521
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 5: I think that's very much right.

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01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 33: We're not expecting sort of things to massively change. But

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01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 33: for some households, you look at those sort of figures,

1524
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 33: the like some minimum wage worker, for example, getting twelve

1525
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 33: dollars fifty a week, more. That's also important given that

1526
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 33: we haven't changed these tax rates for fourteen years, and

1527
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 33: that means that back when they were last set, someone

1528
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 33: on the minimum wage was earning about twenty seven K,

1529
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 33: far far away from the next tax bracket. On the

1530
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 33: current figures before tomorrow's change, the person on the minimum

1531
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 33: wage working a full time job but actually hit the

1532
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 33: top tax the thirty percent tax bracket.

1533
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 5: That seems pretty insane.

1534
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,560
Speaker 2: I don't even like cuting them to cuts with it,

1535
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 2: because these are changes to the threshold levels and they

1536
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 2: should have been CPI linked right from the start. In

1537
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 2: every government since what is it, for fourteen years, knew

1538
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 2: exactly what happened that every time that they text us,

1539
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 2: they got inflation up again, just quickly, wholesale rates, you know,

1540
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 2: plunging downwards. The retail banks are really starting to say,

1541
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 2: come on now, people are starting to talk about an

1542
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 2: OCR cut in August and not November and hoping that

1543
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank here is do you think they are

1544
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 2: hearing or do you think they're going to stick to November.

1545
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 11: I think they're looking at the data.

1546
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 33: I mean, remember they know they themselves haven't even uttered

1547
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 33: an idea about November. Their official last word on the

1548
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 33: matter as recently as May was they don't think it's

1549
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 33: happening till August next year. So if they do bring

1550
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 33: it forward, and I think they well could, they're also

1551
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,560
Speaker 33: going to have explain. Need to explain to all of

1552
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 33: us why they got it so wrong back in May

1553
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 33: and how they think they need to adjust their expectations

1554
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:54,839
Speaker 33: so quickly ten months in advance.

1555
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 2: Good stuff brand, always good to talk, Thank you so much.

1556
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 2: At A six twenty one, Jamie McKay is on the

1557
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: way and we're talking about a champion of the rural

1558
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 2: sector who has passed away. The rural sector is very

1559
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 2: own felicity fare. That's all still to come.

1560
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 1: The Rural Report on the Heather dupers Elan Drive with

1561
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: n's Kofoods New Zealand's Finest Beef and Lamb.

1562
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 2: Jamie McKay from the Country dot Co dot M said, Hey.

1563
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 17: Jamie, how are you good day, Andrew, how are you going?

1564
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 2: I'm good sad news the death of a great agri

1565
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 2: business journalist, David Anderson, young to just fifty seven. Tell

1566
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: us about his work.

1567
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 17: Yeah, while he was obviously a long time member of

1568
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 17: the rural media, had a real spark in his eye.

1569
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 17: I would call him the Felicity fair At Andrew of

1570
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 17: rural media because he used to run a column and

1571
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 17: it's still going since his passing, called the Hound and

1572
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 17: Rural News, where he would have a swipe at anyone

1573
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 17: deemed woke PC and or labor politicians, especially poor old

1574
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 17: Damien o'connoran. David Parker seemed to be in the sites

1575
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 17: of the Hound. But look he's He's a good bloke.

1576
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 17: Grew up on a sheep and bee farm, went to Lincoln,

1577
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 17: studied farm management, took finish that he went sharing working

1578
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 17: at the freezing works. He's incidentally the brother of Waytaki MP,

1579
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 17: Miles Anders and my older brother, and he managed Miles's

1580
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 17: election campaign last year. He spent time at Fonterra Deer

1581
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 17: Industry in Zed a couple of years or eighteen months

1582
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 17: as press secretary for Bill English. Even managed to squeeze

1583
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 17: in a Callogg's scholarship as well. So lock his wit

1584
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 17: and his glint and his eye will be missed from

1585
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 17: all of us in the rural media. This funeral will

1586
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 17: be held at Timaru's Sacred Heart, Basilica tomorrow. Rest in peace,

1587
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 17: David Anderson.

1588
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 2: Beautiful Church too. Now to other topics, and of course

1589
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 2: the big hope for New Zealand farmers in terms of

1590
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 2: emission reduction is reducing the methane in the fats and

1591
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 2: the boops. And now a new compound us farmers are

1592
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 2: a step closer.

1593
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1594
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 17: Well I just picked up on this one today. I

1595
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 17: think I saw it in Farmers Weekly. I better give

1596
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 17: them a bit of credits for that one. So because

1597
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 17: the government Andrew has talked about having tools because they're

1598
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 17: not going to charge for emissions till twenty thirty now,

1599
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 17: and they're talking about having tools available for farmers as

1600
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 17: soon as twenty twenty seven. Well, a company called a

1601
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 17: Room in eight, good name actually with the numeric eight

1602
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 17: on the end, registered its speed additives with the Agricultural

1603
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,799
Speaker 17: Compounds and Veterinary Medicines Board in Australia and New Zealand.

1604
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 17: I've got an organic compound. They claim it to be

1605
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 17: the most effective of all actives tested from methane reduction

1606
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 17: and livestock. They're conducting as we speak trials. They're doing

1607
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 17: one trial in the Whykado measuring the methane out put

1608
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 17: from lactating dairy. Carl cows being offered the supplement three

1609
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 17: times a day over forty five days. Now it's easy

1610
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 17: to op to offer dairy cows who are coming in

1611
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 17: and out of milking sheds supplements. They're much easier to

1612
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 17: treat than say, beef cattle out on an extensive grazing regime.

1613
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 17: So they've also got a beef trial being conducted at

1614
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 17: AG Research in Palmerston North. The company, interestingly, Andrew is

1615
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 17: backed by Bell Gates, so they're not going to be

1616
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 17: shorter money. I've already claimed an eighty percent reduction and

1617
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 17: methane outpot with its product when dosing live stock through

1618
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 17: water troughs. So as I've always as seen you to Andrew,

1619
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 17: science will be the winner.

1620
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 2: Science is always the winning. Jamie. Thank you so much.

1621
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 2: Jamie McKay from the Country dot co dot MZ and

1622
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 2: this is news Storks. But you may have heard that

1623
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 2: Smith and Coey's has a new plans so of just

1624
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 2: closing down, they're going to reduce the size of their

1625
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: land mark Queen Street building in Auckland and sell off

1626
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 2: their newmarket thing and have some online retail offering. All

1627
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 2: well and good, but I want to ask about what's

1628
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: going to happen to the tower. I've got a beautiful

1629
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 2: building built in nineteen twenty nine and they've got an

1630
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 2: eight story tower block behind which is currently showing the

1631
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 2: World Press Photo Exhibition. It will make a lovely the

1632
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 2: building or who are making even better character hotel right

1633
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 2: beside the Civic in Central Auckland, right beside the new

1634
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 2: train station, and then Smith and Coey's will be in

1635
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 2: the lobby. They'll have a regular stream of customers that

1636
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 2: will revive Midtown orcan which is currently stagnating. Now this

1637
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 2: is just my idea, but if you have some money,

1638
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 2: feel free to pick it up and run with it

1639
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 2: and save one of the most beautiful retail buildings in

1640
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 2: all of New Zealand.

1641
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 7: You always side that when you drink and.

1642
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 2: Wish it did maybe ten percent. News and Supports Next,

1643
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 2: it's a short.

1644
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: Beat crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Andrew

1645
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: Dickins with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the

1646
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 1: HL platform for SME on US talks.

1647
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 34: By Welcome to the program, Ahidioth of July.

1648
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 2: I'mandra Victims heads back on Monday. She's on leave. Right

1649
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,560
Speaker 2: about now, we should be watching Hayden Wild winning the

1650
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 2: triath and we're not because it's been postponed because the

1651
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: Senate is filthy. On the Olympics, Vincent Macavenny, our UK correspondent,

1652
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 2: is going to join us to talk about the UK,

1653
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 2: but he's going to be doing this from Paris because

1654
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: he's there covering the Olympics for other media as well.

1655
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 2: So we'll talk to him about Paris and of course

1656
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 2: the tragedy of the Southport stabbing that happened during a

1657
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift dance class.

1658
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 17: Um.

1659
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, very sad news. Also on the Olympics some of

1660
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 2: the things. One thing I'm really regretting is I was

1661
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 2: watching the Telly today and out came the eighth and

1662
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 2: there was USA leading the race, and I said there going, oh,

1663
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 2: do we have an eight? And so I went to

1664
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 2: Clay Wilson, out sports director, and said New Zealand doesn't

1665
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 2: have an eights in the Olympics and he said, no, no,

1666
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: we do not, which is tragic. We have won the

1667
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 2: eight so many times. Who won last time we won,

1668
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 2: of course famously back in seventy six, But no more

1669
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: eights in New Zealand and eight's have found. I think

1670
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: we should always have an eights maybe next time it

1671
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,759
Speaker 2: is our twenty three to seven zibby. So the government

1672
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:07,799
Speaker 2: has agreed to set aside two hundred and sixteen million

1673
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 2: dollars because it may need that money to pay for

1674
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 2: the tax cuts for heated tobacco products otherwise known as htps.

1675
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 2: Now htps is a new thing where the tobacco is

1676
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 2: heated to a vapor rather than burnt, so no oil,

1677
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 2: there is tobacco. It's heated to a vapor rather than

1678
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,759
Speaker 2: burnt and then ingested. So earlier this month, the government

1679
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 2: announced a fifty percent cut to the excise tax on

1680
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,480
Speaker 2: the heated tobacco products, which are seen as an alternative

1681
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 2: to vaping and regular cigarettes. They're good for cessation of

1682
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 2: tobacco use, they say. Cabinet agreed that they're likely to

1683
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 2: go be there's likely to be a huge uptake of

1684
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 2: these products, so much so that they had to put

1685
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 2: aside two hundred and sixteen million dollars in four gone

1686
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,560
Speaker 2: tax income over the next four years. So Casey Costello

1687
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 2: is the Associate Health Minister and Customs Minister and joins

1688
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 2: in Now hell, Casey.

1689
01:24:58,840 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 17: Hi, how are you good?

1690
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 2: See that two hundred and sixteen million dollar figure is

1691
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 2: pretty big, and you know, it presumes a big uptake.

1692
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 2: Do you believe that's going to happen?

1693
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,719
Speaker 12: No, And it was based upon the Treasury did some modeling.

1694
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 12: They used Japan's figures as a benchmark to apply it

1695
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 12: to Pen doesn't have vaping, So that's why the modeling

1696
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 12: wasn't particularly helpful. So I think to put some perspectives,

1697
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 12: we're talking about in total smokeless tobacco products in twenty

1698
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 12: twenty three was about six million dollars worth of egg size.

1699
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 12: That's that HTP is only a small component of that,

1700
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 12: So we're talking about a small number we're hoping of

1701
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 12: the two hundred and eighty five thousand people that are

1702
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 12: still smoking.

1703
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 2: Are you just presuming though, that people on vapes aren't

1704
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 2: going to go for htps because they're so happy with vapes.

1705
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 2: But even so, this is actually a tobacco product, and

1706
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 2: they might be saying to themselves, I'm missing the tobacco product,

1707
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 2: you know, and this apparently is still good for me.

1708
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: Do you think they're going to stay loyal to the

1709
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 2: vakes go to.

1710
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 12: The h I think it baits will remain shaper, which

1711
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 12: is the other component. But there's no excize on boats

1712
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 12: at all, so that it still remains a price differentials. Okay,

1713
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 12: And I think I think that's what's really helpful is

1714
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 12: to get some perspective around us. This is to try

1715
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,879
Speaker 12: and deal with those who are hard core addicted smokers

1716
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 12: who don't want to take up bathing.

1717
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 2: Here's a question for you. Then here's a question. Then

1718
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 2: if you do not believe it's true, why did cabinet

1719
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 2: and all your good colleagues agree to putting aside two

1720
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 2: hundred and sixteen million dollars.

1721
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 12: So this is over a four year period, and it's

1722
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,560
Speaker 12: a projection of you know, what might be forgone. So

1723
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 12: it's not money we have and we're not you know,

1724
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 12: we're not spending or anything. This is just a projection

1725
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 12: of what it's going to cost. Hopefully it will well,

1726
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 12: it won't be anywhere near thats aga.

1727
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard Mike hustling this morning

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Speaker 2: and he looked at that cabinet paper, and that cabinet

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Speaker 2: paper reckons that seven two hundred people will quit smoking

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01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,640
Speaker 2: in start on these alternative products instead, and then he

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01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 2: freaked out because that means it's going to cost eight

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars each to the taxpayer to pay for each

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Speaker 2: one of those two hundred people.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and it's yeah, it's I think it's it's kind

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01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 12: of false economy because you're talking about it. It's money.

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01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 12: This is about providing an alternative. We're doing a twelve

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01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 12: month trial to see if it impacts. If there is

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01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 12: take up a meeting next month with all the quick

1739
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 12: smoking providers to talk to them about how we're going

1740
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 12: to measure this and how how they sing the uptake

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01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 12: will be. It is less harmful. It is an opportunity

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01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,839
Speaker 12: to get those that are hardcore smokers to stop smoking,

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01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 12: and that's what we're focused on.

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Speaker 2: Right The fifty percent cut to the XCISE tax will

1745
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 2: make htps, which are mainly marketed by tobacco companies, a

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01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 2: lot cheaper. Now you have to wonder, are you making

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01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 2: this change as a favor to tobacco companies to give

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01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 2: them a replacement product as we get rid of cigarettes,

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01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 2: or are you actually truly trying to do this to

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01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 2: get smokers to quit.

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Speaker 12: And it's just such a distracting narrative. I have absolutely

1752
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 12: no relationship with tobacco, never met with them. I have

1753
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 12: no concern about what tobacco industry is doing. I have

1754
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 12: absolutely targeted to help people quit smoking, and that's the

1755
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 12: goal and objective. I want people to not smoke at all,

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01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 12: and everything I'm doing is to try and focus on

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01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,799
Speaker 12: that target. And this noise and distraction that's been thrown around.

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01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 12: I have absolutely beyond I have been scrutinized beyond anybody

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01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 12: that I know of around any possible connection. There has

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01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 12: been no connection between me and the tobacco industry. I

1761
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 12: have met all my obligations around conflicts of interest. I

1762
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 12: am focused on getting people to quit smoking and that's

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01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 12: my target.

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Speaker 2: Now, a lot of talk about the vapes, people start going,

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01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 2: are they really as a good tobacco cessation product? As

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01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 2: they say that there's awful a lot of respiratory stuff, popcorn,

1767
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 2: lung all that sort of thing. Do you believe these

1768
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 2: htps are in fact going to be an awful lot

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01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:11,480
Speaker 2: less harmful to smokers?

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Speaker 12: They are definitely a lot less harmful. That's what we know.

1771
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 12: Because the carcinogenic of smoking is the burning of the tobacco.

1772
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 12: It's that combustion that is the big issue. Now, that

1773
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 12: doesn't mean there isn't other risks of cancers around oral

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01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 12: tobacco products. And that's the whole thing we're going to

1775
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 12: look at as a separate discussion. We know with vaping,

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01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 12: two hundred and thirty thousand people quit smoking over the

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01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 12: last three years, so we know vaping has been a

1778
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 12: really good tool to get people to stop smoking. But

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01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 12: it's not safe and we know that we know that

1780
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 12: there are health issues around it, but it's a lot

1781
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 12: safer than smoking, and that's why we're looking at other

1782
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 12: products that might help those who who haven't been successful

1783
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 12: for this listing products and that's that's fully focused on.

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Speaker 2: Ohiksekasell I thank you very much for your time today,

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Speaker 2: Casey of course as the Associate Health Minister and the

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Speaker 2: Customers Minister. And that is the trick. If you give

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01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 2: up smoking and start vaping, the idea is then to

1788
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 2: move on and give up the vaping too, if you

1789
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 2: really want to live a long and healthy life. It

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01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 2: is seventeen to seven.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all

1793
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and my HR.

1794
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: The HR platform for sme us toxip it.

1795
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 2: Is fourteen to seven and Vincent mcavinny is our UK

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01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 2: correspondent and he joins us.

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Speaker 11: Now, Hello, Vincent, good afternoon.

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01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 2: The whole world is a gag. The two children did

1799
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 2: and the knife attech and Southport.

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Speaker 5: What do you know?

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01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is a horrific story. It is the summer

1802
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 11: holidays here in the UK now, and these children were

1803
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 11: attending a Taylor Swift themed dancervent in Southport, Merseyside, which

1804
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 11: is in the northwest of England. We understand that a

1805
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 11: seventeen year old from Lancashire, who was wearing a COVID mask,

1806
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:06,560
Speaker 11: was able to access the facility because they have to

1807
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 11: have the doors unlocked for fire safety reasons, and he

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01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 11: then went on a horrific rampage. He's believed he killed

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Speaker 11: two children. Nine were injured. Six are said to be

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Speaker 11: in a critical condition, and two adults who are thought

1811
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 11: to be those involved with running the class who were

1812
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 11: trying to protect the children and to stop the knifemen,

1813
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 11: have also been injured. They are said to be in

1814
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 11: a critical condition, all of them in hospital at the moment.

1815
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Speaker 11: The seventeen year old is under arrest. He has not

1816
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 11: been yet charged. Police say they do not know yet

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01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 11: the motive for the attack, but it has not been

1818
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:47,560
Speaker 11: treated as terror. Related and obviously the local community is

1819
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 11: incredibly shocked. The Prime Minister as well as the King

1820
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:55,600
Speaker 11: and Queen have led tributes offering their heartfelt condolences to

1821
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 11: what has a really horrible start to the summer holidays

1822
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Speaker 11: here in the UK.

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Speaker 2: Should have been a joyous day for young kids and

1824
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,639
Speaker 2: it ended up being a very, very terrible day. We'll

1825
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 2: follow their story very closely, and digerally want to know

1826
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 2: his motive. Now we have a far lift just to

1827
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 2: risk over the French railway vandalism.

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Speaker 11: Yes, that's right. Well, France has managed to recover from

1829
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 11: that damage quite quickly. They got their trains back up

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Speaker 11: and running by Monday. But of course it wasn't the

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01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 11: start that they wanted to their Olympics, having about eight

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01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 11: hundred thousand people have their journeys disrupted. Now, what's been

1833
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 11: strange is that the French government haven't come forward and

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01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 11: actually said who has done it, and no one has

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01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 11: claimed responsibility, So there was thoughts of is it a

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Speaker 11: political group, is it sort of an eco group, or

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01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 11: is it a foreign government, perhaps Russia deciding to be

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01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 11: a bit nefarious at the start of these games. But

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01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 11: it was curious that no one had come forward now.

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01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 11: Yesterday we learned that on Monday, a sorry on Sunday,

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Speaker 11: a Ultra Left militant was arrested in northwest France. He

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01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 11: had been behaving suspicion near a railway line and when

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01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 11: he was detained, officers who searched the man's car found

1844
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 11: technical guides, pliers, a set of universal keys, and literature

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01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 11: linked to the Ultra Left. He was twenty eight years

1846
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:17,839
Speaker 11: old from the city of Rua and he's now being questioned.

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01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,680
Speaker 11: So it is unclear yet whether or not he was

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01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 11: involved with the group that did this on Friday, or

1849
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 11: of this as someone else who's decided to try and

1850
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 11: take advantage of it, seeing that someone else has done

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01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 11: this and has also tried to get in on the act.

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01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 11: But now the Tejuve, the famous franch train system, does

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01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 11: seem to be back up and running at full strength,

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01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:39,719
Speaker 11: because that is the primary way of getting around France

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01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,600
Speaker 11: to all the events has come not in Paris for

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01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 11: the Olympics, for the spectators here.

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Speaker 2: You should and you should rule am perfectly. I think

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Speaker 2: you've got some French and you mate, I.

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Speaker 11: Might have grown up in Luxembourg for a couple of years, so.

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Speaker 31: There you go.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is you're in Paris right now,

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01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:57,879
Speaker 2: so how's your Olympics.

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Speaker 11: I am in Paris. I've been a fantastic few days.

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Speaker 11: I'm sad to go home. Today. We started with that

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01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 11: opening ceremony. It was unique. It's possibly the best way

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01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 11: to describe it. It was very very wet. I don't

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01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:12,799
Speaker 11: think I've ever been more soaked through.

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01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 2: And it was very very long.

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Speaker 11: It was very very long. Now as don't understand it.

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01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,639
Speaker 11: They'd never done a full technical rehearsal, and I think

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01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 11: it overran significantly by about thirty to forty minutes, because

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01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 11: you know, going about on boats isn't the quickest way

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01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 11: of travel sometimes that you're having to sort of wait

1874
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 11: for that horse to go through the entire length of

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01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 11: central Paris, and then you know that boat with Serena

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01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 11: Nadel where they were getting soaked and it was bumping

1877
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 11: in the wave that had to come back up. So

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01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 11: it was a bit long. I'm glad that I was

1879
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 11: just a reporter and managed to watch it for free,

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01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 11: because I'd be a bit disappointed if i'd paid. If

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01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 11: you were in a stadium and you pay, you know,

1882
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 11: you see everything in the round, don't you see the

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01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 11: whole couple of hours, whereas the people that I was

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01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 11: with that had paid tickets, they could just see, you know,

1885
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 11: one little bit of a performance, the performance where you

1886
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 11: saw the to a nette. We could sort of see

1887
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 11: that building and that was it, and then we saw

1888
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:05,600
Speaker 11: the boats of teams of course, but the rest of

1889
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 11: the time we were just standing in the rain watching

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01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:10,600
Speaker 11: the big screen together to get the whole experience. So

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01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 11: that was a little disappointing. But the weather has turned

1892
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 11: nice since then and all the events I've been to,

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01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 11: the rugby sevens at the South of France absolutely sold

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01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 11: out electric atmosphere. I think that's been something great actually

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01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 11: that we've had trouble. We know, we had this in

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01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 11: London where there were big seats, patches of seats that

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01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 11: were empty. I think they've cracked down a little bit

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01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 11: on the corporate hospitality. The seats were much more reasonably

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01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 11: priced this time. Every event I've been to has been packed. Today.

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Speaker 11: There are no tickets available apart from handball if you

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01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 11: want to go to anything last minute. But at the

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01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 11: beach volleyball of the Eiffel Tower on Sunday, and yes

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01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 11: there was a roll on Garrass for the tennis, it's

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01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 11: been really well managed, lots of friendly volunteers. They're doing

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01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 11: a real party atmosphere, lots of music and djaying in

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01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 11: the little breaks between sets or in between games of

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01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,680
Speaker 11: the sport that you're doing. And the French seem to

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01:35:58,680 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 11: have really got.

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Speaker 9: On board with it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Vincent McAvennie, I thank you, and hey, I want

1911
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:05,640
Speaker 2: to say something about the Paris Olympics. You've got to

1912
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 2: realize that the French are doing a big job on

1913
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,600
Speaker 2: this because a couple of reasons. Nobody else wants to

1914
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 2: do this, because it's too expensive. They want it to

1915
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 2: be sustainable, and they're trying to do it on the cheap.

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Speaker 2: That's why they're doing the stuff at Start de France.

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Speaker 2: They haven't built a new stadium, and if they don't

1918
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Speaker 2: get it right, there's some thought that maybe the Olympic

1919
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 2: Games as we know it will not be the same.

1920
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Speaker 2: So I wish them all the best of luck and

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Speaker 2: sell every ticket that you can. It is eight to

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Speaker 2: seven news Talk ZB.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

1924
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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Dupleicy Ellen and my HR.

1925
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:43,839
Speaker 1: The HR platform for SME used.

1926
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Speaker 5: TALKSB New Talks.

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Speaker 2: Heb I'm Andrew Dickens. Almost time for me to go,

1928
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Speaker 2: of course, Darcy Watergrave coming up after seven o'clock. Darcy

1929
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,600
Speaker 2: reported to me today that he's never been fitter and

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Speaker 2: healthier than he is right now, he said, going to

1931
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Speaker 2: the gym. His diet is bang on. He has lost

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Speaker 2: a lot of weight. He says, I am so gorgeous,

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Speaker 2: and I had to agree with him, so that is good.

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Speaker 2: He is also going to be talking to the head

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Speaker 2: of Triathan New Zealand after the seven o'clock news, and

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Speaker 2: this is because, of course the Triathan's being postponed. My parents.

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Speaker 2: This is their one big, big mistake. Apparently the water

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Speaker 2: in the center is too filthy. Who ever saw that coming?

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Speaker 2: We all did, anyway, some rock and roll to finish,

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Speaker 2: though it's possibly not rock and roll. Anthony millicit Oh

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Speaker 2: adjacent at best. I would say, Andrew to rock and roll.

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Speaker 2: I did ask you some rock and roll to finish

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Speaker 2: an hour, and you played Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 35: That's not right, No, you're right, No, that's I mean,

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Speaker 35: you'd struggle to even call a country. These days, we're

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Speaker 35: all about pop music on the show, Andrew. It's what

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Speaker 35: we love over here. Now this is World of our

1948
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Speaker 35: Own by Westlife. Westlife are not coming to New Zealand

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Speaker 35: next year. Boy's Life are coming to New Zealand next year.

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Speaker 35: So what's Boy's Life ans and why are you playing

1951
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Speaker 35: a West Life song? Well, Boy's Life is Brian McFadden

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Speaker 35: from Westlife and Keith Duffy from Boys Own, just the

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Speaker 35: two of them. But yeah, so the classic thing where

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Speaker 35: they have combined since he's from Boys Owned, he's from

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Speaker 35: West Life Boy's Life. They're going to be playing Westlife songs.

1956
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Speaker 35: They're going to be playing Boys Owned songs. They're apparently

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Speaker 35: going to be covering other songs as well, and they're

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Speaker 35: going to be performing in Dunedin, christ Church, parliston North Wellington,

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Speaker 35: Totlunger and Auckland next March.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's quite McFadden's a good bloke. He's actually spent

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Speaker 2: a lot of time out here. I've met McFadden. He's

1962
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Speaker 2: the bond one. He's a nice bloke. He's good and

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Speaker 2: Nick and sing's welcome back home. Thank you Anthony Ants

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Speaker 2: for everything you're done. Laura, Well you're just the best,

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Speaker 2: you know, I've told you that. And Kensey who's back

1966
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Speaker 2: from all of Europe, And I'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: You got a little world of my road. I tell

1968
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Speaker 7: you think that no one else knows. I let you

1969
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Speaker 7: win with no one else does whatever doing without you?

1970
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Speaker 7: Got about I say any things no one else. I

1971
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Speaker 7: let you no one else what ever doing without you?

1972
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Speaker 7: You know it's a business. Something about at the time, something.

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Speaker 36: Worry about, says the out starts. Some people talking about things.

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Speaker 36: I'm something about about something.

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Speaker 7: The God sat one e.

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