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Speaker 1: Afternoon. Police are today defending the fact that they are

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Speaker 1: still prosecuting the woman at the center of the Gevin

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Speaker 1: Mcskimming saga. Now it's not for the emails that she

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Speaker 1: sent him and other officials. Those charges have been dropped.

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Speaker 1: It's related to alleged harrising emails she later sent the

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Speaker 1: officer who originally arrested her, and also emails she allegedly

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Speaker 1: sent that officer's wife. Richard Chambers is the police commissioner

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Speaker 1: and with us High Richard, Hello Heather Richard. In some

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Speaker 1: people's eyes, this is not a good look for police.

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Speaker 1: Are you confident you're doing the right thing?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we police have instructed as Sing your criminal

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Speaker 2: barrister to deal with us for police, and it's obviously

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Speaker 2: highly inappropriate for me to comment about it. You know,

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Speaker 2: some of the stuff that we've been dealing with this

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Speaker 2: week relate to seeing your officers interfering in processes. But

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Speaker 2: one thing I can say heither is that, of course

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Speaker 2: I have reassured myself and assured myself that the proper

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Speaker 2: processes have been followed in bringing this case. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I've just got to let that take its course. It's

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Speaker 2: a judicial process. And I cannot get involved.

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Speaker 1: What does it mean that you've hired a senior criminal barrister?

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Speaker 1: Does that mean it's been done independently of police?

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Speaker 2: Well, that does help. It's always good to have whilst

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Speaker 2: we've instructed our seeing a barrister, it's always good to

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Speaker 2: have that opinion across it as well. And that's the

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Speaker 2: right thing to do. To take it away from police,

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Speaker 2: albeit they are instructed on behalf of this, But take.

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Speaker 1: It away now. Are you telling me that this is

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Speaker 1: a decisions are being made about prosecution here by the

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Speaker 1: barrister rather than by officers.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, not at all heither. No, I understand

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Speaker 2: that input was sought from independent people and on behalf

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Speaker 2: of Crown law. And you know that's the right thing

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Speaker 2: to do in a situation like this.

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Speaker 1: Do you mean it's like a second set of eyes

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Speaker 1: to say, yep, this this meets whatever test it needs

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Speaker 1: to be.

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely, absolutely, that's the process. And that's what I

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Speaker 2: mean when I talk about seeking some assurance that the

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Speaker 2: proper processes have been followed, because look, I it would

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Speaker 2: be very very concerned if proper process hadn't been followed,

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Speaker 2: because that's one of the things that I've been fronting

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Speaker 2: the media this week to just don't explain on my

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Speaker 2: in respect of my predecessors. So you know that we

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Speaker 2: have to be very very careful as we step through

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Speaker 2: that obviously.

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Speaker 1: Now look, please just feel free to say you can't

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Speaker 1: answer questions if you can't answer questions, but I am

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Speaker 1: going I'm going to try and ask you some questions. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So what I want to know is there will be

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Speaker 1: people who say that this woman should be let off

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Speaker 1: the hook because the reason that she is behaving the

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Speaker 1: way that she's allegedly behaving is because she's been driven

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Speaker 1: mad by police. What do you say to that?

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Speaker 2: Yes, look, I can't. I don't want to get drawn

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Speaker 2: into that, Heather, as much I appreciate people will want.

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Speaker 1: You, can you tell me whether you've done a public like,

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Speaker 1: whether you've done a public interest test on prosecuting her?

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Speaker 2: Of course? Is that that's that's absolutely that's the case.

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Speaker 2: That's very important when we make decisions around prosecution.

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Speaker 1: Have you investigated the allegations she made against HIV and mcskimming,

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Speaker 1: the stuff about you know, wanting to blackmail who with

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Speaker 1: photos and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Like that, Well, that's all been part of the work

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Speaker 2: that police has done once in November last year, once

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Speaker 2: everything was put in place in the way that it

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Speaker 2: should have been right at the very beginning. Once that

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Speaker 2: was done and there was a lot of all the

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Speaker 2: right things were put in place, independent oversight from the

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Speaker 2: i p C, a support from Crown Law.

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Speaker 1: All sorts of charge with any of that.

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Speaker 2: No, there are still aspects of that that are being

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Speaker 2: followed up, but the primary allegation has been dealt with

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Speaker 2: and the decision balancing that against you.

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Speaker 1: Guys are obviously still looking into the stuff about him

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Speaker 1: using his credit card and all that kind of like

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Speaker 1: police problems, police policy. But what about the criminal stuff

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Speaker 1: that she's alleged. Has that been in charge?

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Speaker 2: Yes, of very very authority. That's what That's what was

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Speaker 2: put in place in November last year, when it was

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Speaker 2: done properly. Once we put the proper things in place.

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Speaker 1: Can I say no charges have come about as a

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Speaker 1: result of her allegations against him read the criminal stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that decision and we've said that publicly. That has

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Speaker 2: come out earlier that those decisions have been made. Once

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Speaker 2: the thorough investigation was completed and independent advice was sought

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Speaker 2: and taken them that has all been part of the decision,

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Speaker 2: maybe to ensure that.

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Speaker 1: It is it because there wasn't enough evidence or because

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Speaker 1: it wasn't true.

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Speaker 2: Look, I don't want to. I cannot comment on the

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Speaker 2: detail of that hither. I'm sorry. I appreciate this interest,

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Speaker 2: but I can't. I can't comment on that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you intend because look, there are a bunch

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Speaker 1: of police officers here who have been been implicated in

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Speaker 1: the IPCA report, but who have gone on to retire.

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Speaker 1: A couple of them, ones gone off to work at

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Speaker 1: the CIA, just basically off got on with their lives.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to investigate them or is someone going

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Speaker 1: to investigate them with a view to potentially charging them either.

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Speaker 2: Look, if they were still members of the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Police then obviously employment investgations would be a consideration. But

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Speaker 2: when you're no longer a member of police, that's not possible.

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Speaker 2: But that said, we are progressing with three employment investigations

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Speaker 2: at the moment. If we identified if something was identified

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Speaker 2: of a criminal nature on the face of it, yes,

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Speaker 2: of course we would do that, whether you're a member

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Speaker 2: of police or not.

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Speaker 1: Is this not perversion of the course of justice?

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Speaker 2: Well, I have already asked for my specialist investigators were

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Speaker 2: senior oversight to have a look at that, because I

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Speaker 2: want to be reassured that there's nothing more to see here.

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Speaker 2: So I've asked that. I haven't got that answer yet

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Speaker 2: because they'll just take a little bit while for.

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Speaker 1: Right, they're having a look at it, and as a

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Speaker 1: result of what they determine, there may be charges in

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Speaker 1: an investigation, or they may not.

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Speaker 2: If it suggested that there's something that we may need

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Speaker 2: to look at here, then of course we would do

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Speaker 2: that because that's our job.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, what about the pensions?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Because Geevin mc skimming is going to be on a

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Speaker 1: sweet little wicket the rest of his life as a

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Speaker 1: result of working for the cops. Can you take that often?

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Speaker 2: No, it's not something that I can do. It's not

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Speaker 2: what I do as a Commisioner of Police. It's not

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Speaker 2: my jurisdiction. So well, it's certainly not the polics. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we have it. We have a very good pension scheme

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Speaker 2: in police, but it's not managed and led by police.

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Speaker 2: It's for police.

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Speaker 1: It's not those guys who do the MP pay. Is

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Speaker 1: it the rem authority? Is it them?

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Speaker 2: No, it's a police superuo.

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Speaker 1: How much does he do to get I wouldn't have.

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Speaker 2: A clue either. Actually, I don't really care, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: it's not my problem. He's moved on from the police.

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Speaker 2: That's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: I feel like you have enough to care about it

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Speaker 1: at the moment. How about your speeding fine, I.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't Wasn't that a shocker? Look, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: have had a laugh at my expense, Heather, And I'm

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Speaker 2: okay with that. I've owned it. You know, it shouldn't

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Speaker 2: have happened. I've holt terrible because I put my colleagues

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Speaker 2: in that position. But you know, hey, on these things, right.

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Speaker 1: Is it true? Then you were cruising down the road

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Speaker 1: and you saw the lights behind you, and you pulled

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Speaker 1: over to let them through, and was surprised when they

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Speaker 1: pulled over behind you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I absolutely was, Heather, And yes, I was going

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Speaker 2: about my daily duty and pulled over to do the

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Speaker 2: right thing. It's what you do when you see lights

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Speaker 2: and sirens behind you, and was a little bit shocked

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Speaker 2: when they pulled them behind me.

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Speaker 1: I thought, now you know how the rest of us feel.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, not good. But anyway, there's only one

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Speaker 2: person to blame and that's myself too.

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Speaker 1: Right, Richard, thanks very much, appreciate your time. Richard Chambers,

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Speaker 1: Police Commissioner, fourteen past five. For more from Hither Duplessy

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