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Speaker 1: Daily bespoke content that you won't find on the radio

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Speaker 1: show The Hurdarchy Breakfast Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Sue win Shaffer joins us on The Hurdarcy Breakfast Podcast today.

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Speaker 2: What a great pleasure. Thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 2: him back.

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Speaker 3: It's good to be here, you know, it's been in

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Speaker 3: the Huraki station for a long long time.

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Speaker 2: Where did you come in from today?

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Speaker 3: Where are you?

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Speaker 2: Where are you at the moment? Where are you based?

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Speaker 3: Based in Red Beach and so I live with my daughter.

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Speaker 3: We sold our big house and I moved in with

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Speaker 3: my daughter and my wife. We've got another house down

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Speaker 3: in Thames so that they get away place. Even the

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Speaker 3: kids end up going down the all the time to

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Speaker 3: think getting away. So my brothers and Wi, my brothers

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Speaker 3: and sisters, sister, they use it if they wanted the

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Speaker 3: house down in Thames to get away from them.

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Speaker 2: And oh that's nice you're in today. Because a testicular

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Speaker 2: cancer is something that Kiwi men. It's very preventable, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It is very preventable.

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Speaker 2: And it's a message that's that is dear to your heart,

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Speaker 2: and it's dear to a lot of people's hearts actually,

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Speaker 2: and it's one of.

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Speaker 3: Those things that many years ago. When I come back

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Speaker 3: from overseas and you know, I had my cancer. While

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Speaker 3: I was going through chemo, I was actually in the

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Speaker 3: chemo area where I was in norse Youll Hospital. There

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Speaker 3: was nothing about men's health on the walls. It was

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Speaker 3: all female. And that's why I joined up with prostate cancer.

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Speaker 3: Now it's gesticular cancers with prostate as well. In their

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Speaker 3: month is April. And this is all about getting the

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Speaker 3: younger guys because it's a younger man's cancer, so between

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Speaker 3: teenage years and forty. So it's about looking after our

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Speaker 3: boys and our young men and making sure they get

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Speaker 3: through a good life.

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Speaker 4: Why why are we so bad at checking this kind

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Speaker 4: of stuff as Kievy did?

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe it's because of Wes staunch and we're so

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Speaker 3: staunched that I'm tough airs and I'll get through. You know,

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Speaker 3: nothing's going to hurt us. If you don't get checked,

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Speaker 3: you don't know, you know, and then before you if

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Speaker 3: you do have it, if you get it late, the

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Speaker 3: chances are you're going to die because once it gets

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Speaker 3: out of side of any cancer gets outside of where

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Speaker 3: it is, it's going to go through your body and

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Speaker 3: then all of a sudden a few months later you

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Speaker 2: That question that me and I just asked here is

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Speaker 2: such an interesting one because it's tricky, isn't it. There

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Speaker 2: is something great about the just get on with it

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Speaker 2: mentality that a lot of New Zealand New Zealand as

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Speaker 2: men and women actually both have. I think it's definitely

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Speaker 2: a part of our DNA is that we don't like

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Speaker 2: to make a fuss, which is actually a great thing

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Speaker 4: In some aspects of your life. I think that's what

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Speaker 4: makes us so good at like sport. We were overrepresented

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Speaker 2: You'll be right.

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Speaker 4: You know, whatever aches and pains or whatever's going on

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Speaker 4: with you, you'll get by. But it's a bit of

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Speaker 4: you've still got that same attitude to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: your health is the only thing you have. When you

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Speaker 3: get old, you know, all your kids have grown up

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Speaker 3: in God, you've got the grandkids and the great grandkids.

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Speaker 3: The only thing that you've got left is your health.

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Speaker 3: And if you don't look after yourself when you're a

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Speaker 3: lot of our mighty Polynesian people are actually dying very

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm very proactive for our people, your Mory

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Speaker 3: They've got mighty health problems down in the Hodaki huge, right,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you go to the doctor now genuinely, there's a

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Speaker 4: now everything's so bloody expensive. If you look at it,

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Speaker 4: you get seventy five bucks. Alf I'll be right for

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Speaker 4: another week or two, you know, so I'll hold onto

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Speaker 4: that seventy five bucks.

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Speaker 2: I won't go this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that all the time.

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Speaker 2: I think they're too and I think a big part

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Speaker 2: of it is taking responsibility for your health. So you're

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Speaker 2: the one that ultimately has to look after yourself. And

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Speaker 2: if you're not going to look after yourself, there's not

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Speaker 2: going to be some other person that's going to be out.

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Speaker 2: This is the I think this is a tough message

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Speaker 3: It is, but I would like to see it, you

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Speaker 3: know myself. And it's another just another thing in the

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Speaker 3: everyone should be regulated in regards to their health. You know,

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Speaker 3: go and get your health check every year, and that

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Speaker 3: way there, we'll probably cut the bloody health bills in half.

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Speaker 3: A New Zealant, Yeah, because it's regulated. You go and

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Speaker 3: for your car or your track or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: But we lose over three hundred and fifty people a year,

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Speaker 3: and we are you're losing prostate cancer six hundred and

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Speaker 3: six hundred and forty people a year in this one here,

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Speaker 3: particularly cancer for young men, you know, over one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in some countries. I feel like South

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Speaker 3: The foot fall. Well, the thing is, aren't they lucky?

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Speaker 3: You know, really we haven't got a health system like that,

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Speaker 3: And so thing is to actually get into a health

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Speaker 3: actually say to them, make sure you bring me that

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Speaker 2: We asked our listeners. We told our listeners that you

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Speaker 2: were coming in for the podcast, and we said, do

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Speaker 2: you know there's any questions that you want Puck to answer?

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Speaker 2: And look, there were hundreds hundreds of questions. Some of

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter any questions a question I just would

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Speaker 2: I know, so be it with me. Nineteen eighty six

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Speaker 2: who did it rucked you?

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Speaker 3: It was I was standing, I tackled them, put them

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Speaker 3: Daniel did not take one?

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Speaker 3: And was it a sprugue? Yeah? What were the spring

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Speaker 4: Like if that was a winger, that might not have

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well you know we were wearing twenty three middle

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Speaker 3: sprigs in those days. They didn't know wed bloody plastic.

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Speaker 3: He'd come in and you'd have to stand and show

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Speaker 4: Did they Yeah? Did they check the French changing rooms

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Speaker 4: the biggest difference between rugby now and then? I know

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Speaker 3: Well, some of the new rules that they've just brought

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Speaker 3: There's the young Polonesian will But are you call Clark? Yeah, Caleb, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, by going to a free kick off scrums

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And then you said that they'll basically run

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Speaker 3: But the thing is, if you look at the game

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Speaker 3: Little things like that. Now we turn them like that,

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Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is when you watch when you

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Speaker 2: The scrum sit man, Like I watched that eighty seven

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Speaker 2: That just basically sorted it out, you know. The front

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Speaker 3: Nowadays, oh my god, well you you hardly have any

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Speaker 4: Eight yeah, yeah, but they reset them about four times each.

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Speaker 2: And everyone's trying to get so low. You know, obviously

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Speaker 2: R I reckon still though, and I'm sure you'll have

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Speaker 2: You know out why and I think when they use it,

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Speaker 3: Well. After our dominance through the eighties late eighties, they

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Speaker 2: I love the rolling bloody more.

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Speaker 3: But rolling more the crowd goes on. People don't like it, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But nowadays you go along to a game, if the

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Speaker 3: But you know, every team around the world changed, and

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Speaker 4: Nowadays you've got hookahs just about leading the Super Rugby

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Speaker 4: and tri scored because of all the rolling malls off

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Speaker 2: Did you see that?

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Speaker 4: Was it Italy and the sixth Nations the other day

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Speaker 3: Yes, well nine feet.

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Speaker 4: But they were because there was no one in the breakdown.

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Speaker 4: They were just standing basically what looked like in an

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Speaker 3: It wasn't calling it, well, it's if they've you've got

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Speaker 3: he's up really quickly. Yeah, and he just sets the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'll be noticing more and more least less.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, they all best doing that a little

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Speaker 3: Yeah, straight away.

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Speaker 4: It was weird you mentioned before, and one of the

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Speaker 3: Because well, it's part and parcel of probably the modern game.

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Speaker 3: just says, let me, I love it because you guys

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden you've got less backs to play into.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, you know, So you're sucking them in.

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Speaker 3: You're sucking them over to one side of the field,

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Speaker 3: and they have to get there because if we break

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Speaker 3: can't stay out there for really, because we're going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cheer any Wells and Mania Stuart find them on

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Speaker 1: Instagram at Hidarki Breakfast. Kerri and Manaia joined the complate

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Speaker 1: the Hidarki Breakfast discussion group on Facebook for more.

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Speaker 2: I look at all those players that you play, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Grant Fox like I Actually it was it was kind

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Speaker 2: of the micro skills as well that a lot of

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Speaker 3: Has scored a try in his life?

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Speaker 2: No, no, but that has passing always there. And Dan

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Speaker 2: It just gives you that extra tiny little bit of

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Speaker 3: I suppose you're going to look at it and say,

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Speaker 3: do you want is it? How? How long is the pass?

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Speaker 3: You see? So if the passes in the air for

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Speaker 3: tenis standing away too far away. He had get it

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Speaker 3: going a little bit closer. He cut down the time

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Speaker 3: and he can play another part. And missed the center,

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Speaker 3: It very quickly. So little things like that. And Foxy

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Speaker 3: Kirk and Brucey Dean's because BRUCEI used to actually do

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Speaker 3: It's easier to catch. Yeah, So you know, just little

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Speaker 3: high kick. We'd punt the point at the ball, and

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Speaker 3: that when he got the pass from me, he'd actually

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Speaker 2: That's funny when you're saying all these things, I'm picturing

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Speaker 2: it sort of thing is.

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Speaker 3: So easy because these guys who were really good at

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Speaker 3: You think, so at the moment, even the tens, the

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Speaker 3: and yet they're only up to probably eighty eighty something percent. Yeah,

439
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,719
Speaker 3: eighty three percent, you know for most of our kickers.

440
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 3: But even Barrett, you know he's been there a long time.

441
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 3: He swings between fifty five percent and seventy eight percent something.

442
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 3: Rather there, he swings a lot.

443
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,879
Speaker 2: All of a sudden we changed to this kind of

444
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 2: running first five thing for a while there. I mean

445
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 2: the South Africans they would always make sure that they

446
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 2: had an amazing kicking first five.

447
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, very really missed a kicker. Yeah, you know

448
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 3: he was close to close to you know, ninety five

449
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 3: percent kicker. Fano'bodica, who didn't get a lot of football

450
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 3: time as his test mats because of Foxy. When he

451
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 3: went to England went to Wigan, he said, how am

452
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 3: I going to make money if I'm not in the

453
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 3: starting lineup? So you get a contract, but the wind

454
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 3: bonuses were pretty pretty big and if you're not on

455
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 3: the team, you didn't get it, you know. So he

456
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 3: for him, he actually decided to bug it. He went

457
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 3: down to the field every day and just kicked and

458
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 3: kicked and kicked, and his wife just take the wall

459
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 3: the balls back, kicked it. He was kicking that team

460
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: to wins. From Justice Boot winning by a two point

461
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 3: penalty and he was just winning the winning by one

462
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 3: point two points win, you know, because it was just

463
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 3: so close back in these days in the rug Belieue,

464
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 3: because you had Wigan who was the top team, and

465
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 3: St Helen's was right next door. They're not far away,

466
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 3: but Leeds was right next door, sorry to Bradford, and

467
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 3: Wigan was on the other side. But man, they kicking,

468
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 3: they were very good kickers. So during that last year,

469
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 3: I suppose no one knew this. But in eighty nine,

470
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 3: after that that tour we got back from overseas, I

471
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 3: think it was about seven all blacks defected to rugby League.

472
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 3: Daryl Halligan, Sean, John Rando, Bodka, Yeah, Craigness, Matthew Richie,

473
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 3: Matthew Ridge, a couple more. But they're all outside backs.

474
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

475
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 3: And so so we had a big hole here for

476
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 3: a while, you know.

477
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: Johnny t Johnny John Shuster, No he didn't, John Shuste

478
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: went later.

479
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 3: He went later.

480
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a good.

481
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 3: Player, Johnny Schuster, Johnny team they went, you know, and

482
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 3: so we lost a lot of players. Yeah, and then

483
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 3: then come building up for worl C Cup ninety one.

484
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 3: I wasn't there.

485
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: No, I remember the sites.

486
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, you know, they

487
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: picked the team and they were they were terrible.

488
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: Did you get a call from anyone to say that

489
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: because you were the All Black captain in nineteen ninety

490
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: did you do a call from anybody in that ninety

491
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: one situation saying you're not going to be the captain anymore?

492
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 3: No?

493
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: What they just you just found out when they named

494
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: the team.

495
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 3: Well, Grizz and I talked about it, and I said, well,

496
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 3: where's you o the coach? What can I do? Nothing?

497
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 3: Good luck to you? Really? So what Gris disappeared?

498
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 4: But did you read it in the paper or hear

499
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 4: it on the radio?

500
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 3: How we talked about it right right? Yeah, we talked

501
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: about it. And so at the end of the day,

502
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 3: it's the politics was huge between Auckland and Canterbury with

503
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: the ends that are you because Grizz couldn't get his

504
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 3: own team, like his own coaching stuff. He said, no,

505
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: you're going to have the person we give you, and

506
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 3: that was John Hart. They co coached that that World

507
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 3: Cup in ninety It wasn't And the thing is Gris

508
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 3: was doing his thing and Hardy was doing his thing,

509
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 3: and they just never jelled well toge.

510
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: But wasn't Grizz looking after the forwards and John Hart

511
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 2: was looking after.

512
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 3: The bad That's right, But there was no you know,

513
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: the head coach. You know, Hardy's got his style of

514
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: coaching and Grizz has got his. Chris is not a dummy.

515
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: Everyone thought he was a dummy and a drunk and

516
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 3: things like that, but he was a very smart rugby coach.

517
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: What and you got to look at how Cannarby played

518
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: over those years and if you had any trouble with

519
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: players you again, Bloody sorted out himself.

520
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, I mean the All Blacks record under

521
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 2: him was great. Yeah, it was until the ninety one

522
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: World Cup. Was that weird to watch that and know

523
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 2: that you were part of that setup and then all

524
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: of a sudden you weren't.

525
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 3: Well, I went to the opening dinner and because I

526
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 3: was over there, I was living over there anyway. So

527
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: opening dinner and the closing dinner, and they come in

528
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: the closing dinner and the All Blacks were just like trash,

529
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: absolutely passed, you know, full of full of full of

530
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: bulls and they came over. Their ties are Undonne and

531
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 3: some of them didn't have their ties on. The shirts

532
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: had never been ironed straight out of a bag?

533
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: Is this the opening dinner closing?

534
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: And basically they were they were They were very poor.

535
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: It was very very poor. He had a completely divided

536
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: teams Hardy all the Auckland is against the rest. Yeah,

537
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: so it's quite a divided too, and you know, it

538
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 3: was sad, but this is the politics of the game,

539
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: you know. And and so grizz never took Gris got

540
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: Hearty because he's you know, the Aukland coach and won well,

541
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 3: you know over the period of time, especially in the

542
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: mid nineties, No, not mid nineties, mid eighties, so that's

543
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: when Auckland took over.

544
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 4: Really, do you see any similarities with the because obviously

545
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: there's been the whole coaching debacle this year with the

546
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 4: all back. Do you think there are any similarities there?

547
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, well, let Dave Rennie have his own choice

548
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: of player coach, the ones he feels good with, because

549
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 3: he wouldn't work with them if they weren't any good.

550
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: And so then as he's come through the system really

551
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: really well, and you know, he got he got shafted

552
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: by Australia by Eddie Jones over there, that's for sure,

553
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: and I reckon they would have actually got through the

554
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: pool play easy if he would have stayed on. He's

555
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 3: a good coach. He's better than what Dave Rennie is

556
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: a very smart coach. And don't underestimate him. You know,

557
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 3: he's you know, he'll drop you just like that if

558
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 3: you don't front up.

559
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: But how much and you know this from playing under

560
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: numerous coaches, how much of it as coaches when it

561
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: comes to the All Blacks, particularly because look, Steve Hanson

562
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: was clearly a great coach, and people who played underhim

563
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 2: liked him. And you know, Graham Henry great coach, but

564
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: also Steve Henson. I mean, he had some great players

565
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: and he had a team there that were he inherited

566
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: a great team. You do, but so did oh Raser,

567
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: Ian Foster.

568
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: I Ian Foster and heard a great team too. But

569
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: I said to myself, this is what I expect of

570
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: these people is because he was there for eight years

571
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: and then he done his tenure, which was twelve, but

572
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: he never added to the dynamics of the team. I

573
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 3: wanted to see at least ten to twelve percent, but

574
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: left lift and everything. Yeah, you know, the dynamics of

575
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: new moves, but there's no moves in the backline, no

576
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: moves in the scrum. You just throw the ball around.

577
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: That's all you're doing. You're expecting, you know, to live

578
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 3: off the mistakes of other people. The other team was

579
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: not always going to happen. You know. South Africa don't

580
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: give the board up easily, do They don't make a

581
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: lot of mistakes. Game that we lost badly, you know,

582
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: by fifty points. You know, they never change their dynamics

583
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: of their game halftime. So the reckord did and took

584
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 3: us one up front and smashed the shit out of us. Yeah, yeah, basically,

585
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: and then they started running it late in the last

586
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes.

587
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: Or was that that one? Was that two years ago

588
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: or something? Was it in New Zealand? That was the

589
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: one in New Zealand and they played well that day.

590
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 3: They walloped us. Yeah, you know, but the thing is,

591
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: we can't come back from it because we haven't trained it.

592
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 4: Do you think that's what there is?

593
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: Sure? With Razor was as well.

594
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: They thought he was going to add that ten twelve

595
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 4: percent on top and it didn't seem that he had

596
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 4: in those two years.

597
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: Or was he actually coaching. What I've read, he wasn't

598
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: coaching the other players were the other coach was doing

599
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: all coaching. He might have just you know, listening to

600
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: what he was saying. Yeah, you know, I just doing

601
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: the culture, looking after the culture. Yeah, well, you know,

602
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: how is the culture team dynamics. It should be run

603
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: by the team dynamics theoretically is run by the team. Yeah,

604
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: either you're your senior players and basically they just report.

605
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: Senior players report to the coach. You know.

606
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 4: Do you like this current coaching set up? They just

607
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 4: announced who they have the gut Well.

608
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: I know them personally, but they're all, you know, younger guys,

609
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: which is cool, you know. And and Dave Rennie would see,

610
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 3: he's days but younger than me. He's or six six

611
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: years younger than me. But he's been around a long time,

612
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: you know. And that's he's played a lot of rugby himself,

613
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: and as we all know, and but but he's coached

614
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: around the world too. He's got a bit of offshore stuff.

615
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: And Jamie Joseph, well I picked Jamie and Brownie to

616
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: be with them, you know, before Robinson actually really really

617
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: that was my pick. Yeah, talking all the who's your

618
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: pick back, And I said, they've ready to be the

619
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: leader forward coach, coach.

620
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the other thing. The other thing back is

621
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: that they've got they have got arguably the most difficult

622
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: assignment that any All Black teams maybe ever had, with

623
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: this team going and touring South Africa, because you're up

624
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 2: against not only not only touring South Africa, which I

625
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: know or you didn't do in your career. Did you

626
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: never got to tour because they were out with Apardeit

627
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: during your tenure the Cavaliers in eighty five, but which

628
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: would have been tough. But they're not only up against

629
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: South African side in South Africa, but they also are

630
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: up against a very very good, well organized South African

631
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: side in South Africa. How stuff do you think that

632
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: assignment's going to be.

633
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they're playing it supersides. Outside of that, all

634
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: the games that were against supersides except for the four Tests, right,

635
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: so they're not used to playing four two games a week. No, no,

636
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: you know, And so thing is all we did was

637
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: play two games a week and so there's a little

638
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: bit more less time for training, so you get a

639
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: little bit of rest. So the a team in my

640
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 3: times are the top team. Well, we would actually you

641
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: play the game on a Saturday and probably about six

642
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: of us wouldn't make the team for the Tuesday game.

643
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: Would give it to all the guys on the beach,

644
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: the only heads. You know, we had what five, six,

645
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: six players on the beach in those days. Now they've

646
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: got eight. Yeah you know, so yeah, So that that's

647
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: what happened. All the all the the dirty dirties.

648
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: Who were the dirt trackers, dirt trackers.

649
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: They actually played the midweek games and that's how they

650
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: played their way into the team is by performing in

651
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: those games. So we never lost any We never lost

652
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: any games during my room.

653
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: But I think it's going to be tough, I reckon,

654
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: I think I think it's going to be tough.

655
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: No, see other African tour is bloody easy.

656
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: No, and not only that, you're coming against a very

657
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: organized South African team who know their game well but

658
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: but and know how to beat us and smell they

659
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: know where our weaknesses are. And also you've got a

660
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 2: coaching set up who Look, you can't judge Dave rennie

661
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: on on the performance of what happens in South Africa.

662
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: I mean he said no time, how many games does

663
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: he get before he even gets over there for four

664
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: tests to prepare, So you know that's all that's going

665
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: to be tough.

666
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: But the midweekers are actually another challenge as well because

667
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: they'll stack their teams. Yeah true.

668
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least they have got South African referees.

669
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: I hope not. But at the end of the day,

670
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: you know, it's test matches, a test match, but playing

671
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: a Test match in South Areca is a lot harder

672
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: than them, and probably it's it's playing in Auckland like that.

673
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: With that record they've got, they just won't lose the

674
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: You're blacks. Yeah, they do everything to safeguard their record,

675
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: so at least they're coming up with something a record

676
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: of Eden Park. Yeah yeah.

677
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to the games though, because I

678
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: do like, I love an all blacks South Africa game,

679
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: especially the ones that are over in Africa. Something about them.

680
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: You know, fifty players overseas well, more than that, a

681
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: lot more of Brogie players, but they've got about fifty

682
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: South African players overseas and they bring them back for

683
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: trainings in South Africa and so that's basically what they're doing,

684
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: is South Africa allowing the rest of the world to

685
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: actually pay their contracts where they make all their money,

686
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 3: and they bring them back and keep them involved in

687
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: this in the top fifty players, and they picked their

688
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 3: team out of the top fifty players.

689
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: All right, we don't come to do that, do we,

690
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: because our guys can't aren't eligible.

691
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 3: No, well, that's that's the weakness in ours that we

692
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: don't do it.

693
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 4: Do you think we would in the future.

694
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: Well, women, black fans are doing it. Black fans have

695
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: got a couple of players that they're allowing to play

696
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: for New Zealand have been playing to England. Yeah, overseas.

697
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: But it's one of those things that you know, we

698
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: might have to look at it, you know, like Dave

699
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: Renny if he wants to have the big lock back

700
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: from Kobe, well I'd bring him back. Yeah.

701
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: Well the All Backs coach, what do you care? You know,

702
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: you want the best players on the planet that's eligible

703
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: to play for your country.

704
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: Game Muwang might have been picked by you know, by

705
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: the last coach. But the thing is, you know, I

706
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 3: think he's already got a contract for that.

707
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 4: Yeah he's coming back, yeah, yeah, yeah.

708
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: So he's coming back. But even even listening to Dave

709
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: on some of the talk things. Yeah, see podcasts and

710
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: things like that, that he's basically Muwang is actually playing

711
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: really really good football up there. But at the end

712
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: of the day, playing in Japan and playing.

713
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: In bloody different whole different things, different things. Yeah, hey,

714
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 2: lovely to chat to you back. Always always a great pleasure.

715
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 5: And we're going to be talking about this or I

716
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 5: felt like we talked about it at the beginning a

717
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 5: little bit at a little bit of stuff there, but

718
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 5: I mean the main message, the main messages are, you know,

719
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 5: make sure you check yourself.

720
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: It's it's a good idea and it's a simple check

721
00:34:59,239 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: that you can do.

722
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: Simple check. Learn how to do it online, go on

723
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: line to the website and it talks you through it

724
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: and then basically you go into the draw to win

725
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: that jack ute. Yeah, it's nice, big cards. It's like

726
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: those what was the bm W whatever that be? If

727
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 3: that new one it's a b if something. I haven't

728
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 3: seen it.

729
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it, but I can always do with

730
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: the free ute, be honest.

731
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's worth about bloody fifty thousand,

732
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 3: you know. So, yeah, some young man's going to walk

733
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 3: away with a ute and and I think that basically, hopefully,

734
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: you know, we can inspire our young people to actually

735
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: go and get checked. And one of the weaknesses in

736
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: the system that I saw years ago was that men

737
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: do not talk to their sons about health and well being.

738
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 3: Talk about rugby and rugby injuries, but they don't talk

739
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: about the health ones that we actually have to endear

740
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: ourselves to, specially going to for prostate cancer. You can't

741
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: see it, gesticulate cancer, you can feel it. And the

742
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: woman are way ahead of us in that department where

743
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: they checked. They've been checking their breast for the last

744
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: twenty years. Yeah, you know, and and their stats are dropping.

745
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: Ours are not. Ours are going up and up and

746
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: up for our health and well being, especially for prostate cancer.

747
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 3: We were a lot of over three hundred and three

748
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: hundred and forty people dip them for that and early detection,

749
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: early deteil.

750
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: You can sort it out. You can sort it out.

751
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: Well. I had my cancer, what was it, nineteen nineteen

752
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: or twenty two thousand and seven. I went through through

753
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: cancer and basically I've been free ever since. I test

754
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: myself some earlier, so ten years ago, I was testing

755
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: myself twice a year with bloods and nothing's come up yet.

756
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: And so the thing is, but mine will come back,

757
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: they said, as you age, what could come back quite easily.

758
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 3: But it'll come back either hard and fast or really

759
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 3: slow and small and it grows slowly.

760
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, but either way you'll know early.

761
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: I'll get my blood steak and every year and yeah,

762
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 3: I've got my date. That's when I go there. Heah.

763
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: You just want more people to have to have a

764
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: scare to then start the prevention. You want them just

765
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: to prevent it without the scare.

766
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the scare could actually be the last last

767
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: one they do. Yeah. Yeah. So if you get checked regularly,

768
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: you know, every year, and get checked, I'll tell you what,

769
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: it's a lifesaver. Yeah, you know. And it's worth while.

770
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 3: You're paid for. You pay it for your bloody car,

771
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 3: that bloody thirty bucks to get the thirty five dollars

772
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 3: to get the warrant for your car. You pay that,

773
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: but you won't pay it for your life. I just

774
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 3: I just think it's a it's a no brainer. And

775
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: for our young kids out there, lead the way, lead

776
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: the way, because you're the future of New Zealand. On

777
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: the rugby, fielding off the rugby, and then the dynamics

778
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: of what they do in their life, you know, because

779
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: the health affects everybody.

780
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: Sir wain Shelford, thank you so much for coming and

781
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: it's always a great pleasure. Good on you.

782
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: Thank you guys, nice to talk.

783
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: Thank you appreciate it's the jac Youth by the way, fellos,

784
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 4: I've looked it up.

785
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: J A. C. Yeah, big, it's a big wagon.

786
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: Jerry and manyah. We hatched the radio show from six

787
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Speaker 1: tho ten weekdays, The Hadarky Breakfast