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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: Us folk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today, Philip Polkinghorn

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Speaker 3: is not guilty. We're going to go to our reporter

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Speaker 3: who's been in court for this. The government has just

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Speaker 3: ordered the public servants back into the office sort of,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get you across that and coo at

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Speaker 3: Torrifano interview. A is it time to get the crown

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Speaker 3: observer into the council. We'll speak to one councilor who.

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Speaker 1: Thinks so, Heather Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: So, after eight weeks in court and more than three

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Speaker 3: years of living under suspicion, Philip Polkinghorn is not guilty today.

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Speaker 3: Now the verdict today will come as absolutely no surprise

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Speaker 3: to anyone who's been following this trial closely. The Crown

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Speaker 3: just actually did not have a good case. At no

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Speaker 3: point in time over the last eight weeks was that

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Speaker 3: case actually convincing. But when it came to the closing

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Speaker 3: arguments last week became really obvious just how the case

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Speaker 3: against him was. I mean, the best piece of evidence

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Speaker 3: that they had and this is according to them in

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Speaker 3: the Crown, was that Pauline Hannah had told someone one

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Speaker 3: time that he tried to strangle her about a year

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Speaker 3: before she died. That was the best that they had.

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Speaker 3: That's not much as it so it's really no surprise.

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Speaker 3: It took the jury only ten hours, which is a

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Speaker 3: very short amount of time, only ten hours to decide

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Speaker 3: that he was not guilty. I don't know where this

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Speaker 3: leaves Philip Polkinghorn though, because the jury made it clear

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Speaker 3: today with that question to the judge that most of

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Speaker 3: them do not think that Pauline Hannah killed herself, but

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Speaker 3: some didn't think that there was enough evidence against him.

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Speaker 3: Philip Polkinghorn and frankly, after eight weeks of his intimate

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Speaker 3: details being aired to the country, he must be completely humiliated.

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Speaker 3: We know about his extensive drug use, that he was

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Speaker 3: seeing hookers regularly, and how much he was spending on

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Speaker 3: those hookers and drugs, his intimate messages to women. You know,

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Speaker 3: I often wonder how other people who've been accused of

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Speaker 3: very high profile murders managed to keep living here in

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Speaker 3: such a small country. Afterwards, I feel like with him

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Speaker 3: it's even more pronounced because not only was this case

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Speaker 3: extremely high profile, it was often the most read story

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Speaker 3: on news websites every day, but then there was everything

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Speaker 1: Heather due for see Allen.

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Speaker 3: Is the text number standard text fees supply And yeah,

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Speaker 3: lot's coming out of that case today, so I'll get

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Speaker 3: you across the details. Now, the group that held the

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Speaker 3: key we hostage Philip Mersons in West Papoor says that

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Speaker 3: a bribe was paid to secure his release. Now they

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Speaker 3: say that a local politician paid the bribe. Foreign Minister

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters this morning was outraged at the suggestion.

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Speaker 4: Not from the point of view of New Zealand, for

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Speaker 4: any of the people involved at all.

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Speaker 5: And I'd like to see the evans before you run it.

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Speaker 5: And in Pune the names of good New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: Catherine Dellahunty is a spokesperson for the West Papoa Action

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Speaker 3: networking with US. Now, Hey, Catherine, sure enough, what do

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Speaker 3: you know about this bribe?

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Speaker 6: I think that the Minister Foreign Affairs needs to realize

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Speaker 6: that nobody has implied or fought that New Zealand bribed

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Speaker 6: anybody to get Philip Mutons free. I don't think that

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Speaker 6: is what the story was about. I think if a

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Speaker 6: bribe happened, it happens between local people within the area

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Speaker 6: of West Papa where Philip Mutons had been held by

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Speaker 6: the Liberation Army. It there's nothing to do. No one

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Speaker 6: I'm not quite sure why he's got so hot on

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Speaker 6: that Philip Mutons is safe, but also that many people

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Speaker 6: who live in West Papoa are around that area are

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Speaker 6: not safe, and that there were bombings up to three

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Speaker 6: So it's a very dangerous area because the Indonesians occupied

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Speaker 6: I just wish the foreigners it doesn't need to worry.

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Speaker 6: No one's implying that this country somehow bought its bought

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, why would a local politician over their pay

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Speaker 3: a bribe. What's in it for them?

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Speaker 6: It's much more complex than that. If it happened. So

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Speaker 6: one of the liberation army people has said that it

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of politics and a lot of local

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Speaker 6: lot of issues which we don't necessarily understand. And maybe

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Speaker 6: also what matters is what the people as Papa are

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Speaker 3: Catherine, is it possible that the guy, the local politician

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Speaker 3: who paid the bribe to allegedly allegedly paid the bribe

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Speaker 3: some reputational enhancement for himself, like his reputation would be

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Speaker 6: It's hard to know. I mean, there's quite a few

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Speaker 6: forces at play here. So the Liberation Army had a

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Speaker 6: plan for Philip's rescue that didn't involve anybody bribing anybody,

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Speaker 6: the stories is that this man's handed He went and

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Speaker 6: then he handed him over to the Indonesians, which is

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Speaker 6: not what the liberation underwanted. But whether there was any

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Speaker 6: I think we're out of our league here. We don't

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you know anything about the situation that he

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Speaker 4: Is he well, I'll phil it well.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 6: All media commentary and all the interviews that they've done

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Speaker 6: And if you look at him, I know that he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Catherine, listen, thank you very much. I really appreciate

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Speaker 3: your insight there. That is Catherine Della Hunty, the spokesperson

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Speaker 3: for the West Pa Poor Action Network Hither. I don't

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Speaker 3: know why this is a story, bribe ll not. Nobody cares.

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Speaker 3: He's free and that's all that matters. Well, to some extent,

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Speaker 3: you're right, but you're also wrong. So if this was

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Speaker 3: so when it first broke, it sounded like it was ransom, right,

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Speaker 3: And if you do pay ransoms, if there's even a

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Speaker 3: then are that others they don't take Kiwi's hostagecause ain't

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Speaker 3: too poor, we don't pay ransoms. But if people start

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Speaker 3: be absolutely sure that the bribe wasn't paid for us

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Speaker 3: to then reimburse later on, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know. It just sounds to me like

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Speaker 3: it's some dudes just handing cash over to each other. Listen,

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Speaker 3: got some good news for you. I've been banging on

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Speaker 3: They're just answering questions right now at the post cabinet

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Speaker 3: but this is wooly as all hell. So it sounds

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Speaker 3: just basically guidelines, Like our expectation is that you're back

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Speaker 3: days a week minimum, you're in the office, none of that.

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Speaker 3: It's working from home arrangements are not an entitlement and

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Speaker 3: Agencies must actively monitor the prevalence and impact of working

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Speaker 3: Do we not understand this? Because there's fewer people in

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Speaker 3: the office means you don't have to heat the office

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Speaker 3: youre less. So I'm not at all convinced by this anyway.

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Speaker 3: Nikola Willis is going to be with us after six o'clock,

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Speaker 3: we'll ask you some questions. Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen Drive with one New Zealand one Giant Leaf for Business,

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Speaker 1: US talks at b Sport with Dab get your bed

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Speaker 1: on our adem bet responsibly, Adam.

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Speaker 3: Cooper Sports Talk. Hoosters have been our cups, hey, Heather. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so the All Blacks? What are we going to do

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Speaker 3: about Damien McKenzie.

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Interesting question, isn't that. We've got one game to go

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Speaker 7: year tour, and I do wonder whether do they actually

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Speaker 7: get much out of dropping Damien McKenzie for this final

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Speaker 7: letter slow cup test, Heather. We want him to be

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Speaker 7: as good as possible for the end of view too.

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Speaker 7: We know what Boden Barrett's capable of if he needs

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Speaker 7: to slot into that number ten jersey, which could happen

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Speaker 7: this weekend. But I just wonder do the selectors here

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Speaker 7: go now right, let's put a bit of heat on

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Speaker 7: Damien McKenzie. They've backed him so well this year and

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Speaker 7: they've given him their confidence today. Say right, Damien, you

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Speaker 7: eighty minute performance, you help the team turn around its

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Speaker 3: Oh jeez, talk about being negative. Coops, thank you, We'll

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Speaker 3: see you probably right, Adam Cooper, sports talk host, Hither

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Speaker 3: you're joking. D Mac made the space for those three opportunities.

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson is going to be with us in twelve

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Speaker 3: minutes out of Australia, Coles and Woolworth's, the supermarkets and in

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 3: the three points. Most of the agencies have relinquished many

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Speaker 3: Get the public servants back into the office. So some

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Speaker 3: how about the quality of life and mental health and

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Speaker 3: Are you crazy? What makes you think that sending me

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Speaker 3: The UN is warning the Middle East is on the

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Speaker 3: And finally, underpants.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 3: Hither the Wellington man needs to resign from misleading the

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Speaker 1: Get a head.

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Speaker 3: How much trouble are the supermarkets them?

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Speaker 3: Here you go. So Coles and Woollies are both.

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Speaker 11: Here for Woolworths, they recommend it on two hundred and

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Speaker 11: Australia is going to take them on. They're going to

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Speaker 11: lots of other different grocery stores as well, they're all

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Speaker 11: doing They're all doing it like these guys have been stung.

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Speaker 11: But I'm sure plenty of the supermarkets and grocery stores

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Speaker 11: in New Zealand are doing it as well, and.

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Speaker 3: They've just been caught out. Yeah, but I think they

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Speaker 3: say that it's just a mistake because they've got so

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Speaker 3: many line items and they've got so much going on

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Speaker 3: at any one time they can keep track of everything.

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Speaker 1: Well they might, but I mean, well, you know, did

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Speaker 1: you know what.

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Speaker 3: There's a thing you can buy called a computer?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does take you know how good it is?

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Speaker 11: Now?

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Speaker 13: Right?

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Speaker 11: Because I use my Woolworths every Day reward card to

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Speaker 11: try and accumulate frequent fly points, and it knows what

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Speaker 11: I buy. So I get emails every week saying Ollie,

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Speaker 11: buy the same kids yoga again, by the same milk,

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Speaker 11: by the same bread.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know what I do every moment, every day.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of freaky, a it's a little bit. It's

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Speaker 3: kind of helpful.

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Speaker 12: Though.

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Speaker 3: Do you order online?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: I like to the shop.

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Speaker 3: Do you just to get away from the family?

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: It's a good break enough, fair enough, I get that.

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Speaker 3: So I like to order from the shop. And often

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Speaker 3: I forget that when I'm doing my online order, I'll

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Speaker 3: forget the bread or forget the milk, le whatever. And

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Speaker 3: because it knows what I buy every week, it's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: you forgot to get them. Oh, thank you, second brain.

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Speaker 3: It's actually quite helpful.

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Speaker 2: It's good.

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Speaker 3: So it's how you choose to see it. Ollie. Hey,

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Speaker 3: this car that was involved with the hit and run,

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Speaker 3: it's got heaps of myth in it. That doesn't feel

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Speaker 3: like a smart thing to do when you've got lots

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Speaker 3: of myth in your car.

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Speaker 11: No, and he's happening in Perth over the weekend. So

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Speaker 11: we're talking here about a hit and run of a

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Speaker 11: police officer. And of course you know the force has

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Speaker 11: come out in full swing with this because they wanted

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Speaker 11: to try and catch the driver. But it turns out

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Speaker 11: the reason he made the bolt. He's got one million

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Speaker 11: dollars worth of myth in that car. So the driver,

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Speaker 11: they say his name's Brendan Ross Green, age thirty seven,

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Speaker 11: accelerated when the police officer approached his car and injured

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Speaker 11: him in the process.

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Speaker 3: He's in hospital, he's okay.

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Speaker 11: The police officer he's currently under observation and he should

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Speaker 11: survive this. But how's that a million dollars worth of

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Speaker 11: myth in the car? And I wonder he didn't want

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Speaker 11: to hang around with the cop. But that doesn't excuse

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Speaker 11: the hit and run.

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Speaker 3: Right, Hey, how are you going to get your free

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Speaker 3: your cheap beer? Well, we're going to vote national that

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Speaker 3: that's not David little proud the Nationals going to give

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Speaker 3: you a cheap beer.

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Speaker 11: Though, well they're not really, They're just going to freeze

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Speaker 11: the beer tax, which is a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Cheers to that.

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Speaker 11: Beer goes up in price in Australia twice a year.

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Speaker 11: Fifty percent of beer now is taxed, and David Little

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Speaker 11: Proud says, vote for the Nats and we're going to

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Speaker 11: freeze beer prices. And I you know what, it's probably

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Speaker 11: the most sensible policy of any political party in Australia

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Speaker 11: in some time. But sure, on the other foot, that

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Speaker 11: bloke was back in government only you know, three years ago.

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Speaker 11: He didn't mind when it went up twice a year.

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Speaker 11: It's it's populous. It's going to work though, I means

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Speaker 11: like cheap beer or cheaper beer. So if you can

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Speaker 11: get rid of that. The government says, we're focused on

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Speaker 11: cheaper medicines, not cheaper beer.

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Speaker 3: I can do it, both can't. Here's a text says

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Speaker 3: ask him about the All Blacks. I was hoping you

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Speaker 3: just avoid that.

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Speaker 1: I thought I got away with it. You know what.

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Speaker 11: The fact that the All Blacks can't score a point

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Speaker 11: in the last twenty minutes for the last three games.

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Speaker 11: You guys are in big story.

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Speaker 2: Should have won?

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Speaker 3: You should But does it not make you feel better

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Speaker 3: that we're both as crappy as each other? Oh we're bad,

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Speaker 3: aren't we Like?

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Speaker 1: We're real bad?

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Speaker 3: But how good? You know what it was really like?

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Speaker 11: All jokes aside to see you know the stadium packed.

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Speaker 11: Everybody says in his country rugby is dying.

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Speaker 14: Well it's still got a little bit of life in it.

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Speaker 11: When you get an all black Swallowbies clash and you

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Speaker 11: feel the Olympic stadium.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, right, And how do you feel about the

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Speaker 3: fact that one of the best teams in the world

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Speaker 3: currently may be Argentina.

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Speaker 11: Well we beat them once, right, then they flogged us

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Speaker 11: a second week, so hey, South Africa, Argentina, they can

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Speaker 11: take it this year.

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Speaker 1: We'll be bad. You know what, We're going to be

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Speaker 1: friends when the British and.

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Speaker 11: Irish Lions come out next year because we've got that

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Speaker 11: ans AC test in Adelaide, so we've got to be

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Speaker 11: on the same team for five minutes or eighty of us.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you. Ollieber Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter

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Speaker 3: except Andy the producer's first day, first day on the

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Speaker 3: job with us Today said in my ear cricket. Why

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Speaker 3: who's out ratchet? Oh no, so it's a jazz pertell

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Speaker 3: and whom and well o'rourk hey, but we don't know.

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Speaker 3: Willow Rook sucks with the bat. He's really good with

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Speaker 3: the bowl with the ball, and that was amazing to us,

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Speaker 3: wasn't it. Is he that bad with the bat? Probably

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Speaker 3: that bad with the bat? Okay? So how many do

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Speaker 3: we need to win?

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Speaker 15: Still?

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Speaker 3: Sixty odd? Okay, so rattion anyway, listen, will keep you posted. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So we've got one wicket in hand and we need

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Speaker 3: to get sixty odd and we've got two bowlers in there,

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Speaker 3: and it's going to be okay, don't worry. Barrie Soper's

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Speaker 3: next sixteen Away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barry so Per, Senior political correspondence with US Now, Barry, Hello,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon, hither. So the government's ordered them back into

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Speaker 3: the office, the public servants.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's taken some time, hasn't it really?

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Speaker 16: When you consider that, I guess I've always been staying

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Speaker 16: away from the office, though, but it became it was

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Speaker 16: much much worse during COVID yeah, and they sort of

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Speaker 16: had the permission. And it was interesting because they've never

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Speaker 16: kept any records in the Public Service of how many

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Speaker 16: actually turn up to work.

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Speaker 2: That's not and how many work from home.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's more true because you can go on to

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Speaker 3: you can go onto the Public Service commission website and

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Speaker 3: you can actually look at the agencies. Not all of

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Speaker 3: the agencies do it, but you can look at the

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Speaker 3: agencies to see how many of them are turning up

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Speaker 3: to work. For example, ninety four percent at.

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Speaker 2: The well where you were working. But I tried to

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Speaker 2: throw show you later that's really good.

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Speaker 16: Well, it seems that Nicola Willis doesn't know that side either,

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Speaker 16: because she said that the last time a survey was

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Speaker 16: done was in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: That's the regular Public Service Commissioner survey that they.

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Speaker 2: Do, right.

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Speaker 16: Well, anyway, well, I just thought I'd allow her to

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Speaker 16: have her say on it, because she said it hard

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Speaker 16: and fast records of those working from home aren't kept.

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Speaker 16: But she says she's seen a survey like I said,

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Speaker 16: out in twenty twenty one, and these are the figures

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Speaker 16: she read.

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Speaker 8: Around fifty eight percent of participants made use of working

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Speaker 8: from home. Arrangements of not only sixty five percent of

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Speaker 8: public serments actually took place took part in that survey.

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Speaker 8: I've also surveyed the agencies that I work directly with.

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Speaker 8: The Public Service Commission, for example, advises that sixty six

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Speaker 8: percent of their employees have working from home arrangements, with

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Speaker 8: about a third working from home one day a week

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Speaker 8: and another third working from home two days a week,

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Speaker 8: so only a third of their employees are in the

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Speaker 8: office five days a week. The Social Investment Agency sees

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Speaker 8: that on average, across a week, more than four out

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Speaker 8: of five are working in the office, and Treasury says

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Speaker 8: it does not centrally keep information that allows it to

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Speaker 8: confirm any overall trends and working from home.

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Speaker 3: See, it was very very very rarely very willing.

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Speaker 2: Yes it is.

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Speaker 16: But the point that she makes is, and the point

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Speaker 16: that Christopher Luxon standing alongside it made, was that working

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Speaker 16: from home isn't an entitlement. It should be an agreement

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Speaker 16: between the employer and the employee. And I'd know about you, Heather,

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Speaker 16: but when I walk down Lampton Key and talk to

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Speaker 16: businesses down there, but post COVID, they really are suffering.

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Speaker 16: And it's because these public servants are spending far too

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Speaker 16: much time at home. They can see themselves doing their

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Speaker 16: job from there. They are very highly paid as a

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Speaker 16: rule public servant, and I think they should go where

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Speaker 16: the job is, sitting at a desk where everyone else

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Speaker 16: normally has to go when they geat too right.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm pleased with the kind of vibe from it,

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Speaker 3: but that's all it is. And I want to see

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Speaker 3: something a little bit harder on that. We'll talk to

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Speaker 3: the clause.

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Speaker 2: She's going to publish results apparently.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when she's with us. After six o'clock, just quickly,

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Speaker 3: Sri Lanka has won the cricket by sixty three runs.

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Speaker 3: Will o'rourck is not quite as good with the bat

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Speaker 3: as he is with the ball and he's out. Now,

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Speaker 3: what's happened with the Greens now that the court has

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Speaker 3: ruled against Darling Tana.

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Speaker 16: I know a number of questions have been asked about that,

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Speaker 16: because you know, the Greens have got what they want

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Speaker 16: now and they should, one would think, invoke the waker

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Speaker 16: jumping legislation. But as I understand, what they're doing now

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Speaker 16: is they're waiting in case Darling Tana launches an appeal

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Speaker 16: again against the court's finding and that's a possibility, so

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Speaker 16: they don't want to jump the gun. I don't know

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Speaker 16: how the how long they're prepared to wait, but they

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Speaker 16: are waiting the Greens. They were awarded costs. You probably

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Speaker 16: know from the court case last week. Who's paying Darli

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Speaker 16: in Tana's bills.

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Speaker 2: Well, apparently wealthy.

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Speaker 16: Green, unnamed green, a Green donor, a Green donor is.

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Speaker 2: Paying her bills.

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Speaker 16: But the interesting thing is the walker jumping legislation has

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Speaker 16: never really been tested, and the argument is from some

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Speaker 16: that MP's are actually sworn into Parliament by name, they're

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Speaker 16: not sworn by a party, and you'll be aware of

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Speaker 16: how they always go to the front of Parliament and

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Speaker 16: sworn in. So that's never really been put to the test.

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Speaker 16: So if they do invoke the walker jumping legislation, I'm

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Speaker 16: sure there will be some legal argument about that as well.

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Speaker 16: So this could extend well out of the future of

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Speaker 16: d'arli in Tana. I'm not working at Parliament but fighting

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Speaker 16: for their existence to be there.

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Speaker 3: So this standoff where they're waiting the Greens, they're not

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Speaker 3: calling a meeting until they're sure she's not going to

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Speaker 3: appeal to one for ages because she might only appeal

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Speaker 3: once they call the meeting. Well true that, do you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean? Her whole thing has been to

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Speaker 3: frustrate the efforts to get rid of it, so she

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Speaker 3: may wait, so this could go on for ages. And

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Speaker 3: also barry the fact that a wealthy Green Party donor

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Speaker 3: is backing her against their own party. Does that not

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Speaker 3: tell you that the party is divided on this?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think the party is divided.

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Speaker 16: But from whom I've talked to in the party, they

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Speaker 16: say that they are one hundred percent sure that if

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Speaker 16: it's put to the party membership now they have the

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Speaker 16: numbers to invoke the Walker jumping in.

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Speaker 3: Very quickly, very very quickly. Whenston peters off to New.

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Speaker 16: York, he's on the same page as Helen Clark, although

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Speaker 16: he said I heard him say this morning and to you,

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Speaker 16: I really don't know where Helen Clark is on it.

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Speaker 2: It's basically her back argument is the.

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Speaker 16: UN Security Council can never pass a resolution because you've

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Speaker 16: got China and Russia and the United States as permanent

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Speaker 16: members on it, vetoing, vetoing everything that goes out there,

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Speaker 16: and it is a disgrace. I mean, the UN is

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Speaker 16: a greater morphous body. Does some good work obviously around

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Speaker 16: the world, but when it comes to the big international

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Speaker 16: issues like wars, they can't make any decisions.

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Speaker 3: Arry, thanks very much, very so for senior political correspondent

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Speaker 3: eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking.

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Speaker 10: Breakfast the target sept by the previous labor government a

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Speaker 10: run child poverty reduction. It turns out, according to Treasury

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Speaker 10: quote unquote, no longer realistically achievable the child poverty reduction.

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Speaker 10: Minister Louis Upston is with us on this.

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Speaker 17: Well, the reality is they threw lots of money at

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Speaker 17: it and a number of children in material hardship with

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Speaker 17: our four thousand, one hundred extra children living in material hardship.

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Speaker 10: But she is a labor So when Mende's March has

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Speaker 10: quoted saying it's a choice and all you have to

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Speaker 10: do is write a check, he's wrong as well, isn't he.

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Speaker 17: Well, the reality is we know that children do best

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Speaker 17: when the economy is going well, when they've got parents

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Speaker 17: and work, they're attending school, and they've got great opportunities

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Speaker 17: ahead of them. That's why we're taking practical steps to

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Speaker 17: grow the Economy.

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Speaker 10: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 10: the Jaguar f paces used talk ZB Heather, Is.

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Speaker 3: There any truth to the rumor that Tory Farno sold

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Speaker 3: her car to pay Darlings legal fees? Hmm on that subject.

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Speaker 3: Five Away from five turns out that, what a surprise,

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Speaker 3: Tory Farno did not pay sell her car to pay

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Speaker 3: her own personal bills after all. Because she was on

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Speaker 3: Q and A yesterday, she finally told the truth that

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Speaker 3: was obvious to everyone.

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Speaker 1: Did you need to actually sell a car to pay

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Speaker 1: the bills? No?

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Speaker 10: I actually didn't.

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Speaker 18: It's a shame because it was taken out of context.

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Speaker 9: Was that?

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Speaker 3: Was it taken out of context? You decide this is

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Speaker 3: the original?

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Speaker 18: You decide I've just sold my car recently to kind

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Speaker 18: of help pay the bills.

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Speaker 3: Was that taken out of context? No, it wasn't. It

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Speaker 3: wasn't taken out of context. Tory just Tory just loves

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Speaker 3: a fib doesn't she. She love spinning a yarn, doesn't she. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: that's not even the worst of it. I mean, like

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Speaker 3: nobody thought that she sold the car to pay her bills.

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Speaker 3: What a numpty? Why do you even say stuff like

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Speaker 3: that age is it like, is that work case of

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Speaker 3: just saying it before the brain's engaged? I suspect so?

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Speaker 3: Or does she run it through the what sounds awesome filter?

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Speaker 3: Right now? That sounds awesome, It's not true. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter it sounds awesome anyway. The worst of it is

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Speaker 3: that she also got quite confused about a quite important

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Speaker 3: thing that's happening to Wellington City Council at the moment.

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Speaker 3: So the council is going to go back and decide

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Speaker 3: again whether they sell the airport shares. If they don't

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Speaker 3: sell the airport shares, they're not going to be able

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Speaker 3: to pass their long term plan because they don't have

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Speaker 3: money for it, and that's basically their one big job,

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Speaker 3: right that they would be failing to do. So Jack

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Speaker 3: Tayme asked her, are you going to pass your long

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Speaker 3: term plan?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 18: I'm talking to other counselors to see what ways we

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Speaker 18: can still continue with our solid long term plan but

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Speaker 18: make up that that insurance and is there another way

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Speaker 18: with them look at the airport side.

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Speaker 3: Right, So she doesn't think they're going to pass the

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Speaker 3: long term plan, But then a few minutes later, she

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Speaker 3: just says completely the opposite.

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Speaker 18: I think we will continue selling the shares. We will

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Speaker 18: continue having a solid long term plan.

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Speaker 3: What so at this point you're obviously like, what happened?

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Speaker 17: I'm sorry?

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Speaker 18: I thought you were asking the other question in reverse.

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 18: I'm confident that we will continue to move forward and

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Speaker 18: work on our long term plan and that includes selling

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Speaker 18: the shares.

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Speaker 3: You didn't even ask her meant what is it when

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Speaker 3: you ask a question in reverse? What does it even

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Speaker 3: mean when you ask a question in reverse? What does

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Speaker 3: that statement actually even mean? Anyway? I think we're all

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Speaker 3: just stoked that old mates across her job. Ay, we'll

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Speaker 3: talk about that later on again. Phillip Polkinghorn verdict Next.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, by the facts, and give the analysis

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Speaker 1: together due to Celan Drive with One New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon Auckland I surgeon Philip Polkinhorn was found not guilty

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Speaker 3: of murdering his wife Pauline Hannah.

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Speaker 19: This afternoon, Duri, have you reached a unanimous verdict on

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Speaker 19: which all eleven of you agree on charge one, the

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Speaker 19: charge of murder. Do you find the defendant, Philip John

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Speaker 19: Polkinhorn guilty or not guilty?

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Speaker 1: Not real?

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Speaker 3: Philip Polkinghorn spoke to media outside shortly after that verdict

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Speaker 3: was ready.

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Speaker 2: To outcome of a huge turning point in our lives.

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Speaker 4: His posts has taken a massive.

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Speaker 2: Toll on so many of us.

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Speaker 4: But now we've a grieve.

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Speaker 12: Let Paul in.

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Speaker 4: Rest in peace.

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Speaker 20: You know there's the best different than possibly give more.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Herald journalist Michael Morrow was in the High Court earlier

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Speaker 3: to hear that it is with us now. Ho Michael,

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Speaker 3: what was Philip Polkinghorn's reaction when that verdict was read out?

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Speaker 14: He stood with his head bowed, his eyes were closed.

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Speaker 14: It was quite tense in the courtroom. You know, everyone

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Speaker 14: was there, The jury was, you know, all focused on

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Speaker 14: the chairperson who was reading the verdict, and the public

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Speaker 14: gallery was pretty much full. When that not guilty verdict came.

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Speaker 14: There were audible gasps from the public gallery. Some people

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Speaker 14: in the public gallery were in tears. Polkinghorn himself just

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Speaker 14: stood still, head down and was pretty much expressionless when

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Speaker 14: that verdict of not guilty was read out.

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Speaker 3: What did you make of the question that the jury

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Speaker 3: asked earlier today.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think this was really really interesting and I

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Speaker 14: think it was a massive turning point in the deliberations

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Speaker 14: for the jury. So they had been deliberating for about

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Speaker 14: ten hours. This was day two because they had a

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Speaker 14: day of leave on the Friday, And this was a

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Speaker 14: critical moment in my mind, because they came and said

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Speaker 14: to the judge that essentially they were having problems, and

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Speaker 14: what they articulated was that they were pretty much split.

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Speaker 14: They didn't know what decision to make, and they said

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Speaker 14: that most of the jurors believed that this was not

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Speaker 14: a case of suicide, but at the same time they

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Speaker 14: felt the Crown had not provided enough evidence to prove murder.

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Speaker 14: And what the judge said at that point I think

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Speaker 14: was critical, and that was that you must be sure

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Speaker 14: to convict, you must be sure to be found guilty.

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Speaker 14: You must be sure.

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Speaker 3: It has to be beyond reasonable data.

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Speaker 14: Absolutely, it could not be a case. The judge said,

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Speaker 14: if you think it's likely murder was committed, or even

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Speaker 14: very likely, it has to be a certainty. And at

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Speaker 14: that point he directed the jury to go away continued deliberations.

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Speaker 14: They had some subway at lunch time, and then it

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Speaker 14: was only straight after lunch that they came back with

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Speaker 14: this not guilty verdict just around quarter past two this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: And how did Pauline Hannah's family react to this?

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Speaker 14: They came outside court. Bruce Hannah, Pauline's brother, was visibly

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Speaker 14: upset in tears, essentially said that this was not the

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Speaker 14: right decision. At the same time, he said he felt

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Speaker 14: that the court proceedings were fair and we needed to

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Speaker 14: accept this even though it's so disappointing, and he acknowledged

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Speaker 14: how difficult the last eight to nine weeks has been

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Speaker 14: for him and all of Pauline's other Faunily members.

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Speaker 3: And also Madison Ashton, who was Polkinghorn's hooker mistress. She's

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Speaker 3: also reacted to the verdic day.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, she has. She actually refused to give evidence in

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Speaker 14: this trial, and she's been away on an overseas trip

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Speaker 14: visiting Morocco London. It has been in Athens, but she

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Speaker 14: has told my colleague Carolyn Menye, who's been speaking regularly

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Speaker 14: with her throughout this trial, that she claims Madison Ashton

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Speaker 14: claims that the police botched this murder investigation by not

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Speaker 14: taking her seriously and omitting crucial evidence she provided. She

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Speaker 14: also revealed that she had discussed getting married, buying a

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Speaker 14: house and having children with doctor Poulkinhorn. So quite a

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Speaker 14: bombshell of an interview there that my colleague Carolyn men

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Speaker 14: Yee has got from the Herald. However, of course she

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Speaker 14: was not in court. She was, in her own words,

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Speaker 14: shaking and shocked by the decision that the jury reached,

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Speaker 14: you know, but she didn't front up in court. Has

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Speaker 14: been away overseas.

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Speaker 3: Michael, thank you, thanks very much for talking us through.

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Speaker 3: That's Michael Morra, the Heralds journalist who's been in court.

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Speaker 3: It's twelve past five, Heather, do to see ellen. Public

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Speaker 3: servants have been given the hard word from the government

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Speaker 3: to stop working from home. Cabinets told them that working

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Speaker 3: from home is not an entitlement and must be agreed

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Speaker 3: to if it doesn't compromise and only if it doesn't

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Speaker 3: compromise work output. Public Service Association National Secretary Dwayne Leo

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Speaker 3: is with me.

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Speaker 4: Now, hey, Dwayne, Hi, goodness and Liver.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to forgive you that one day. Why are

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Speaker 3: you guys opposed to this?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think what we've got here is of distraction.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is a desperate reaction blaming public servants

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Speaker 4: for a problem the government's created. I mean, if the

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Speaker 4: government really cared about the Wellington economy, then why do

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Speaker 4: they sex five thousand public servants this year. That's the effect,

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Speaker 4: that's the reason why one of the issues that the

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Speaker 4: Wellington economy is struggling at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but what's wrong with public servants getting back into

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Speaker 3: the office.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean what we've got is we've got public servants.

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Speaker 4: And I just want to predate here that public servants

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Speaker 4: have been have flexible working for a number of years now.

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Speaker 4: It predates COVID, and that's something that really came about

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Speaker 4: in terms of modern workplaces that private and public sector

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Speaker 4: companies around the world have embraced in terms of flexible working.

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Speaker 4: So it's not a matter of simply saying you've all

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Speaker 4: got to go back into the office. A lot of

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Speaker 4: members would have employment agreements and arrangements whereby that's part

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Speaker 4: of their contract as such, to work from time to

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Speaker 4: time from home.

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Speaker 3: How would it be in the like, would it be

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Speaker 3: prescriptive in the contract it would say you get to

877
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Speaker 3: work from home one day a week or something like that.

878
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Speaker 4: Well, you would have to have I kind of understanding.

879
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: It's not just a blanket you can work whenever you

880
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 4: want from home. There would be either through an employment agreement,

881
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Speaker 4: a collective agreement, or possibly workplaces also have policies that

882
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 4: run around these things, so there are structures in place

883
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Speaker 4: for this to occur.

884
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Speaker 3: And from out Duane, what proportion of workers in the

885
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Speaker 3: public sector would have that in their contract?

886
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Speaker 4: Oh, well, that's something we want this because it might

887
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 4: not necessarily just be a contract either. It could be

888
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 4: a policy, so it could be a policy wide arrangement

889
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: that policies. So policy conchage is for the ones who have.

890
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Speaker 3: It in their contracts, fair game, it's in their contracts.

891
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: But for the rest of them, what's wrong with them

892
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Speaker 3: going into the office.

893
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Speaker 4: Well, and we're not saying necessarily that they don't go

894
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Speaker 4: into the office, but what we're saying is where there

895
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Speaker 4: are arrangements that are working, where there are arrangements that

896
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Speaker 4: they are actually getting more efficient work done, Where there

897
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 4: are arrangements that's because of those situations that helps them

898
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Speaker 4: to retain experienced staff with institutional knowledge. Those things need

899
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Speaker 4: to be taken into account. Simply saying that the Wellington

900
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 4: economy has been hammered by working from home. Is just

901
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 4: not factual. The fact is, as I said before, we've

902
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Speaker 4: had thousands of public service workers made redundant. And might

903
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 4: I say that that's not the end of it. We

904
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Speaker 4: understand we've got another two budget rounds that could potentially

905
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 4: impact on this. That's where the issue is. It's not

906
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Speaker 4: simply a public service worker coming in and buying a

907
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Speaker 4: cup of coffee.

908
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Speaker 3: Insight, Can I give you an insight put into something

909
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: outside of Wellington? If they don't go into the office,

910
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: you're going to find very little sympathy outside of Wellington

911
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: for the public service cuts.

912
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Speaker 4: Well in terms of that hither, I'm not saying necessarily

913
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Speaker 4: that they don't go into the office because these arrangements

914
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Speaker 4: very dramatically. You can have someone that works from home

915
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Speaker 4: one day a week, you can have someone had has

916
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 4: flexible time. These arrangements there's a broad spectrum.

917
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Speaker 3: I'm just what I'm saying with Wayne is they might

918
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Speaker 3: want to haul button into the office that I want

919
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: to get fired. You know what I mean?

920
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 4: Well, you know I don't think that's fair and I

921
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 4: actually think that's disrespectful for public service workers who do

922
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Speaker 4: a hard job, and a lot of them. We're not

923
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Speaker 4: talking about workers that actually get paid a large amount

924
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 4: on your program. I think last week we had our

925
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Speaker 4: feedback in relation to our civilian workers in the Ministry

926
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Speaker 4: of Defense. They maybe not for a zero percent pay

927
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 4: rise this year. So there's no money at all for

928
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Speaker 4: anyone on any form. And so you've got them bringing

929
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Speaker 4: them back in from home.

930
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: Mate, are they sorry?

931
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Speaker 4: I'm bespiking.

932
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Speaker 3: I don't think people in uniform are w f H

933
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Speaker 3: working from home.

934
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Speaker 4: No, I'm talking about civilian staff, Heather. So we've got

935
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Speaker 4: civilian side varies. You can have administration workers, you can

936
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Speaker 4: have logistics support, payroll, it varies. No, there is a

937
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 4: distinct difference between pavilion, which are our members, and uniformed.

938
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Speaker 3: All right, Dane, listen, thank you. We'll leave it there,

939
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Speaker 3: but I'm sure we'll talk about it again at some stage.

940
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Speaker 3: Don Leo, National Secretary of the Public Service Association, sixteen

941
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Speaker 3: past five. Heather, when talking about public servants needing to

942
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 3: get back to work, stiff shite comes to mind quite Heather.

943
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: Believe me, these public servants are taking the piss. Funny

944
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: how Mondays and Fridays are the days when there is

945
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 3: zero traffic in empty car park buildings. The very long

946
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: weekend is well and truly entrenched with the public services

947
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 3: quite nineteen past five. Now the government's announce is going

948
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Speaker 3: to crack down or is cracking down on the sale

949
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Speaker 3: of nangs for getting high now. Nangs are nitrous oxide.

950
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: Shops sell them for baking purposes, but if they sell

951
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Speaker 3: them for the purpose of getting high now, that will

952
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: carry a penalty of up to two years in jail

953
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 3: or a fine of half a million bucks, and personal

954
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: possession of nangs will be punishable by a fine of

955
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Speaker 3: up to five hundred bucks. Glenn Dobson is the CEO

956
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Speaker 3: of the Drug Detection Agency. Hey Glenn, Hi you, how

957
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: are you very well? Thank you Glenn. This one strikes

958
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: me as being particularly hard to enforce because police will

959
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 3: have to prove that someone sold these things for getting

960
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 3: high rather than for baking.

961
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Speaker 21: Right.

962
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 12: It will definitely be trickier than your other I guess

963
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 12: illicit drugs. You know that the police with a burden

964
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 12: of proof that they'll need to prove around where it's

965
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 12: legitimate or elitimate use, and that really comes down to time, place, circumstances,

966
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Speaker 12: and even if they creak around that.

967
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you prove that the punter came

968
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: in even not even that, how do you prove that

969
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 3: the person the retailer thought that they knew that they

970
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 3: were selling it to someone for getting high.

971
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Speaker 12: Look, that may come down to the circumstances of the sale.

972
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Speaker 12: It may come down there, and there may be some

973
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Speaker 12: burden of the retailers. They actually get a bit more

974
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 12: information on to who they're selling it too. There are

975
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 12: legitimate reasons for this to be used, you know, whether

976
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 12: it's in baking or cooking, for paying rate and so on.

977
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 12: But we're seeing a huge increase in the illegitimate use

978
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Speaker 12: of it, and that's obviously what the author is are

979
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 12: trying to control.

980
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: And fair enough, But what if I go in like

981
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Speaker 3: I I wouldn't obviously because I'm a grown up. But

982
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 3: what if I went in and said to them I

983
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: was going to do some awesome baking this weekend, and

984
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Speaker 3: they believed me, and then I went and got high.

985
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: Can you hold them to account for that?

986
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 12: Well, I think there'll be a challenging for the police.

987
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 12: As I say, it really is around the burden of proof.

988
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 12: It's sersonally. Obviously they're targeting the suppliers. They see that

989
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 12: the suppliers are a good way to try and restrict

990
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 12: the illegitimate use of it, but there's also the charge

991
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 12: of using it for position as well to get high

992
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 12: as well.

993
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 13: Yeah.

994
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: So the reason I'm asking you all these questions, Glenn,

995
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: is because this one feels like like a virtue signaling law.

996
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: It's sort of like, yeah, look, we're cracking down on it,

997
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: but in reality you're not really going to be able

998
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: to ow.

999
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 12: I'm not sure i'd completely agree with that as a

1000
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 12: challenging Yes, it is, but does that mean it shouldn't

1001
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 12: be done. No, I don't think it should.

1002
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 16: You know.

1003
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 12: The Global Drug Survey head not listed is the thirteenth

1004
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 12: most popular recreational drug globally. It's a problem. We've seen

1005
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 12: increased use amongst our youth and it has dangerous effects

1006
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 12: on mental health and also their brain development, and I

1007
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 12: think the authority should be doing right.

1008
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: The danger is it basically starves the brain of oxygen,

1009
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: doesn't it.

1010
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 12: Yeah, exactly, it does do that, you know, And it

1011
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 12: has short term effects. There's inneration to gin high. There's

1012
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 12: long term need effects in relation to all sorts of

1013
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 12: bad things to the brain that nerves itself.

1014
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 3: Glenn, thank you really appreciate on This's Glenn Dobson, Drug

1015
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: Detection Agency CEO. Hither are you where that the average

1016
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 3: public servant is earning ninety seven thousand dollars per annum.

1017
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 3: That's approximately twenty five thousand dollars more than the average worker.

1018
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 3: At least they can just go into the US to

1019
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 3: pretend to work. Dave's quite right, just go in there

1020
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 3: and pretend to make us all feel better. We'll talk

1021
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: to Nicola Willis about that after six o'clock. She's ordered

1022
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 3: them in. Next up, let's talk about Tory five twenty

1023
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 3: two Heather du.

1024
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: Toicy Allen, cutting through the noise to get the facts.

1025
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive with One New Zealand. Let's

1026
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as they'd be.

1027
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: Twenty five past five. Now to Tory Fino with Wellington

1028
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 3: City Council. I feel like it's got to the point

1029
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: where the council need to do the wrong thing and

1030
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: blow everything up in order to do the right thing

1031
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: by the city, in order for the good of the city. Okay,

1032
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: so let me explain this. The next most important thing

1033
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: that's going to happen is that they can discuss the

1034
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 3: sale of the airport shares. The right thing for the

1035
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: council to do is to stick with the plan to

1036
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: sell the airport shares because there is really little little

1037
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: point in Wellington City Council owning shares in the airport.

1038
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: They only have thirty four percent. It's not enough to

1039
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 3: have a controlling say. They may as well put their

1040
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: money in any other asset. And actually their plan is

1041
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: to take the money out of the airport and put

1042
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: it into a long term investment fund like Aucklint has done,

1043
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: and that is a really smart plan. I support that,

1044
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: but Wellington City councilors should vote against it because if

1045
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 3: Wellington City Council cannot sell its airport shares, then it

1046
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: cannot pass its long term plan. And if it cannot

1047
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: pass its long term plan, it has failed to do

1048
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 3: its core job. And at that point, failure to do

1049
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: your core job. Simmey and Brown, the Local Government minister

1050
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: can send in a council observer. Do you see what's

1051
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: just happened here? So if they basically set off a

1052
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: whole bunch of things in motion, they will be able

1053
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 3: to get a Crown observer in that is what Wellington

1054
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: City Council needs. That's for the good of the city

1055
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: Council here the city basically because this place is a

1056
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: mess you can set. I mean, you've got a mayor

1057
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 3: who is such a hot mess she can't even tell

1058
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: the truth about why she sold her car. You've got

1059
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 3: a council hiding things from the public, trying to frustrate

1060
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: the democratic process with counselors trying to help a Nasdaq

1061
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: listed company pay for a building rento. You've got a

1062
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 3: council spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on the wrong

1063
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: things bike racks, and spending less than any other council

1064
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: in the Greater Wellington region on the right things like

1065
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: fixing the water pipes. If this was any other situation,

1066
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 3: I would back the sale of the airport shares because

1067
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: I think it's the right thing to do. But this

1068
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: time I reckon they should blow that up and block it,

1069
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: if only to force the government to send some grown

1070
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: ups into Wellington to run this place properly.

1071
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: Hell du see, Ala, there is a counselor who.

1072
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: Wants a Crown observer. Diane Calvit. She's going to be

1073
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 3: with us next shortly after the news I've got to

1074
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: talk to you about speeding ticket story. You're not going

1075
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: to believe this, but quickly Madison Ashton, this is the

1076
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 3: hooker mistress of Philip Polkinghorn, has finally explained why she

1077
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: didn't turn up to give evidence in court. She says

1078
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Speaker 3: she didn't turn up because she was frustrated with how

1079
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Speaker 3: the police treated her. They would dismissive of her. The

1080
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: New Zealand police's view of me was already tainted. They

1081
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: treated me like I was nothing. Now this is I

1082
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: don't know how you feel about her, but I would

1083
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: call her an unreliable witness because she cares enough to

1084
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: say that they botched the case, but not enough to

1085
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: turn up in court and help them right headlines next.

1086
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: Hard Questions, Strong opinion. Heather Duper see Ellen drive with

1087
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Speaker 1: one New Zealand Let's get connected. The news talk said.

1088
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 22: Feels like Goody just.

1089
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 3: Ran Middle Willis is going to get us after six o'clock.

1090
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Speaker 3: She's the minister, ordering all these lazy public servants back

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Speaker 3: into the office. The huddle is standing by. Trisharson is

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Speaker 3: back from Europe. She's been traveling, and also Joseph Garaney

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Speaker 3: is with us. Now, do you remember our mate Peter Scott.

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Speaker 3: Our mate Peter Scott is the guy who's the chief

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00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: executive of he Can who got in trouble because he

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Speaker 3: was on our show and then he admitted he was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's a safe place. So he admitted that he was

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Speaker 3: doing some illegal farming and breach of his resources, consenting

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Speaker 3: and so on and so on. He has just been

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Speaker 3: busted speeding in his council car. How many times do

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Speaker 3: you think since January? How since January this year? How

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Speaker 3: many times has been busted speeding in his council car?

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Speaker 3: Six hundred and seventy eight times, six one hundred and

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Speaker 3: seventy eight times. There have only been two hundred and

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Speaker 3: sixty six days this year. So even if he got

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Speaker 3: that council car in the first January, he was doing

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Speaker 3: it about two and a half times a day now

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00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 3: to be fair to him, to be fair to him,

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00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: these are not tickets. This is the GPS tracker. So

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking that it is like I think, I think

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Speaker 3: it may I don't know how you set the sing up,

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Speaker 3: but maybe it's set up like you're one hundred k zone,

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Speaker 3: you go one hundred and one, you speed. I don't

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Speaker 3: think that's speeding. I think that's normal behavior. I think

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00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 3: anything up to one hundred and nine is tolerable in

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00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 3: one hundred k zones, you know what I mean. But

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Speaker 3: he did get up to speeds of one hundred and

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00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 3: fifty seven, so there is a gray zone. Anyway, Peter's

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00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 3: given up his council car, which I think, under the

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Speaker 3: circumstances is wise. Twenty three away from six Heather Duplasy

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Speaker 3: Ellen Wellington Mayor Tory Farno has caused a bit of

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00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 3: a commotion over the weekend because in an interview with

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Speaker 3: Q and A she admitted, yeah, she backtracked on the

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00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 3: claim that she made a few days earlier that she'd

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Speaker 3: sold the car to pay the bills.

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Speaker 18: No, I actually didn't. It's a shame because it was

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Speaker 18: taken out of context. There was an hour long interview.

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Speaker 18: You get a bit relaxed. I mean the main reason

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00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 18: actually was because it's a walkable city.

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Speaker 3: And then afterwards, in another twist on a twist, the

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00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 3: mayor's office sent a statement to Q and A saying, Nola,

1132
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Speaker 3: actually she did sell the car to help with the

1133
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: mortgatory payments. So who knows what's actually the truth Wellington

1134
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Speaker 3: City Councilor Diane Calvert is with us. Now, Hi, Dianne

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00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 3: I hada. She's obviously the laughing stock of the city today,

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00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: isn't she.

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Speaker 23: Well. I have to say that a lot of people

1138
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 23: have either rung me, text me or stopped me in

1139
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 23: the street. Really sad about what's happening about our city.

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00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 23: You know, it needs strong leadership and it's not there.

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00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So do you think it's time for the Crown observer?

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00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 23: Well, I think an observer with a specific role of facilitation,

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Speaker 23: you know, basically helping the mayor be able to engage

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00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 23: with all the elected members, you know, helping the council

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00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 23: better engage with the community and with the government and

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00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 23: with our regional partners such as other councils in the region.

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00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: Okay, how do you trigger that council observer, that Crown

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00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 3: observer coming in?

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Speaker 23: Well, you can do it two ways. You can Either

1150
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 23: the council can ask the government for help, which I

1151
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 23: don't think our council will come because the majority don't

1152
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 23: you know, don't understand, I don't realize. Or the government itself,

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Speaker 23: the Minister of Local Government can he doesn't.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like he wants to. I mean, your

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00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: third option actually is that you guys can tank that

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00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: airport Airport shares sales vote in order to basically set

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00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: off a domino effecting kind which kind of forces sam

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Speaker 3: In Brown's hand. Is that possible?

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Speaker 23: I mean, I suppose that that could be the outcome

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Speaker 23: of what if we agree not to sell the shares?

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Speaker 23: But I think key to that is the council's lost

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Speaker 23: the public's trust and confidence. So you know a lot

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00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 23: of people have said to me, look on paper, just

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00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 23: like you said before, it's a good idea to sell

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00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 23: the shares. However, we don't trust the council to do

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00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 23: the right thing. We haven't been given all the information

1167
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Speaker 23: all at the same time, it's been drift fed. So

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Speaker 23: the Council's lost the public's trust and confidence. And it's

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Speaker 23: the public's asset, not our asset. It's a public's asset.

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Speaker 3: So has Tori got a mayoral car?

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00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 23: Oh? Yes, she does.

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Speaker 3: So when she said that she sold her car in

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Speaker 3: the Q and A interviews because she can just walk

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Speaker 3: around the city, she actually has another car that she

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Speaker 3: can use.

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Speaker 23: Well, all I know is that their mayor has a

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Speaker 23: car for their exclusive use.

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Speaker 3: Okay, cool, that's really interesting, Diane. Thanks very much appreciated,

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Speaker 3: Diane Calvert, Wellington City Council. It's coming up twenty away

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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Sutherby's International Realty, local and

1182
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: global exposure like no other.

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00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: I'm the Huddle with us this evening. Tris Sharson of Shearson,

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00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 3: Willis Pago Spaghani of Child Fund, the CEO, Hello you too. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 3: So Trisha, you come home. You've been out in the

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Speaker 3: wide world and we're talking about Tory's car. Is this

1187
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 3: like a shock to you, shock to your system?

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Speaker 1: Can I?

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Speaker 3: Firstly, can I answer that question in reverse? Please do

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00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: tell me what that means?

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00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 15: No, huh.

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00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: Let me just say this.

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00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 15: There's two ways you can come home to New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: I've thought about this.

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Speaker 15: One is you go, oh gosh, you know, still looks

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00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 15: a bit you know, down in its cups and a

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00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 15: bit you know. Or the other way you can come

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Speaker 15: home as you go. I've spent four weeks watching international

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Speaker 15: news and man, other places have some massive problems that

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Speaker 15: we don't have. And actually if a few two you know,

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00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 15: I haven't got enough roads. It's kind of a first

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00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 15: world problem that we can still folks. So I'm going

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00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 15: with the glass half full.

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Speaker 3: At least we're not we're not a threat of bombing.

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00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 3: We've just got Tory exploding on us. Now, now, Josie,

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00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 3: what do you think of the Tory situation? Would you

1207
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: want to make a call on whether she did sell

1208
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: the thing for her bills or what?

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00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 21: Oh my gosh, well, can I start by saying, well

1210
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 21: done Wellington? You did a Gwyneth Paltrow. You consciously decoupled

1211
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 21: from the rest of the country and the last selection

1212
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 21: you voted for a Green mayor and two Green MP's

1213
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Speaker 21: and the rest of us didn't. Now you've got twenty

1214
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 21: eight kilometers of cycle ways, no cafes, empty hotels, no jobs,

1215
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 21: and we're talking about Tory Farno's car. So yeah, well done.

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00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 3: I like how you did the thing where you were

1217
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 3: like the rest of us didn't. But you are still

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Speaker 3: in Wellington, aren't you?

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Speaker 21: Are you trying to cut I didn't vote for her,

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Speaker 21: so don't come whining to meet Kington. I didn't vote

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00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 21: for it, but no, I mean it's a mess, isn't it.

1222
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 21: And I think it's just another example of the lack

1223
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 21: of political instincts that she has. I mean the fact

1224
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Speaker 21: that you think you can go on do a radio

1225
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Speaker 21: interview and say one thing, a TV and SID interview

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Speaker 21: and say another thing. I mean even when she goes

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Speaker 21: public about things like she went public about her drinking

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Speaker 21: problem and good honor, but then she goes public again

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Speaker 21: for her diagnosis of AD eight and autism.

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Speaker 8: And even that.

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Speaker 21: You know you're sympathetic, but it starts to feel like,

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00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 21: my god, you're making all these excuses for the fact

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00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 21: that you're just not delivering on the stuff that you

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00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 21: said you were one unify the council hasn't done that. Second,

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00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 21: get willing to moving. It's in a dead stop. So

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00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 21: it's just it talks to her lack of political instincts,

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Speaker 21: and now that is a real problem.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I think you bang on there, Trish. Is it at

1240
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 3: the threshold? Like I think that it really needs a

1241
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 3: Crown observer because it's such a mess. But what do

1242
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 3: you think.

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00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 15: It's funny? Isn't it if an interview over what you

1244
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 15: did with why you sold your car is a topping

1245
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 15: point for a Crown observer. I think you are right,

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00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 15: and for the reason not just because of the issues

1247
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 15: with the leadership, but overall the state that Wellington is

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00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 15: in and the urgency with which those serious issues need

1249
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 15: to be addressed. And you know, so if you can't

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00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 15: pass a long term plan, if you can't get the

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00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 15: sale of the airport away properly, which is really fundamental

1252
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 15: to getting the council finances back into a sustainable form,

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00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 15: then there.

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00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: Is a serious issue there. And I have to say,

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00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: you know, as a.

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Speaker 15: Watcher of media interviews and I've heard you this afternoon

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Speaker 15: and you know you've had a great summation of it.

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00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 15: This was one of the worst performances I think that

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00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 15: I have seen. And if you were a rate payer

1260
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 15: watching this, you would come away with a feeling that

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00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 15: you just can't trust the person in charge.

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Speaker 21: You know what I would say though, that I think

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Speaker 21: that rather because it's a big thing to remove or

1264
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Speaker 21: set in a control mechanism for an elected official way

1265
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Speaker 21: And look, I want her gone just like anybody and Willington,

1266
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 21: but I think you've got to wait till next year

1267
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 21: the local elections. It's not that long away voting.

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Speaker 17: But that's how we do it.

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00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 3: But Josie, you know you don't have to remove it. Ray,

1270
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 3: you just put a grown up in there to kind

1271
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: of like sit down and make sure everything's going okay.

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Speaker 3: They all get to keep their jobs.

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00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 21: That's right. But you can do that, but at a

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00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 21: great expense. And one of the things that we've the

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00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 21: problem we've had Wellington is that, I mean, I've just

1276
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 21: spent so much money doing absolutely you know overall. So

1277
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 21: I think just you know, next year the elections, this

1278
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 21: is your chance, Wellington to get it right. Don't muck

1279
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 21: it up again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 15: I guess my point on that would be that's still

1282
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 15: a whole year away when these but you know that

1283
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Speaker 15: is a whole year away at Wellington. I think the

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Speaker 15: Observer is a good middle path and you know, I

1285
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Speaker 15: did like the comment around the Observer. At the very

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Speaker 15: least they could try and facilitate to get some stuff done.

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Speaker 3: Just so they don't fight so much. All Right, We'll

1288
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: take a break, come back to you guys in the

1289
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Speaker 3: Tech Quarter two.

1290
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Speaker 1: The huddles with New Zealand Sotheby's International Realty Elevate the

1291
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: marketing of your home.

1292
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 3: Right, we're back with the hardle Trisius and Joseph Guanny Josie,

1293
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 3: what do you think about the public servants being sent

1294
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: back into the office good or bad.

1295
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Speaker 21: Well, I do feel like the pendulum swung a bit

1296
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 21: too far the way towards flexibility, and you feel a

1297
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 21: little bit like as an employer that you show a

1298
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 21: contract you go, look does say you've got to come

1299
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Speaker 21: to Wook every day, And the employer will say, but

1300
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 21: but what if I've got something else to do? You know,

1301
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Speaker 21: this is a sense of it's just become normalized to go.

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Speaker 8: I've got a heck out.

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Speaker 21: I just don't feel like it. But but the other

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Speaker 21: thing I would say is as an employer, you know,

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Speaker 21: I've got staff that do a lot of flexibility when

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Speaker 21: when you've got the right people on the bus, I

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Speaker 21: will do anything to rearrange the seats to keep the

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Speaker 21: right person in that organization right. And if it means

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Speaker 21: that they need flexibility, you know, I've got staff who

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Speaker 21: have commute from from I myself commute from Carpody up

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Speaker 21: to Auckland every couple of weeks, you know. So I

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Speaker 21: think that if you've got the right people, you would

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Speaker 21: do anything to keep the right people. And so I

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Speaker 21: do think it's a balance. But I think, you know,

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Speaker 21: I think the government's right that it has gone too

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Speaker 21: far the other way, and there's a sense that it's

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Speaker 21: a it's an entitlement rather than a privilege or an agreement.

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Speaker 8: But I also feel a bit uncomfortable.

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Speaker 21: With the government telling us, you know, I know, it's

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Speaker 21: public servants and we're paying for it out of our

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Speaker 21: taxpayers money and they are in a sense the boss.

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Speaker 21: But I do feel about uncomfortable government telling people, you know,

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Speaker 21: they can or can't do flexibility and when they should

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Speaker 21: and shouldn't come to work. It's like, can you just

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Speaker 21: focus on maybe growing the economy and get to.

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Speaker 17: Go with you?

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Speaker 3: This is part of it. Like, I mean, look, you'll

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Speaker 3: know a public servant who takes them mackey. I knew

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Speaker 3: a public servant love them dearly, renovating their house on

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Speaker 3: work time. Like that's it's a complete it's a complete rule.

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Speaker 21: But my point, my point, Heather, though, is it's not

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Speaker 21: the government's. It's not luxe and you know Prime Minister

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Speaker 21: or Minister of Finance's job to tell them it's their

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Speaker 21: their direct employer who should be saying.

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Speaker 3: Think it is, No, I think it is because these guys,

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Speaker 3: these guys in the public sector have completely lost any

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Speaker 3: kind of sense of what it means to work hard,

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Speaker 3: and that includes right up to the top. And if

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Speaker 3: they need to be told by their employers the government,

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Speaker 3: then they have to be told by their employers.

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Speaker 15: What do you think, Trisha, Well, ministers send out letters

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Speaker 15: of expectation all the time and I see this in

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Speaker 15: the same thing. And in fact, in the postcap press

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Speaker 15: conference that was one of the comments either from the

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Speaker 15: PM or willis that managers aren't doing this. And the

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Speaker 15: opening line from the government around this was about ill

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Speaker 15: managed working from home. So this isn't what Josie's talking about.

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Speaker 15: When you manage this stuff, well, because you want to

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Speaker 15: keep a person this.

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Speaker 3: This is ninety five percent of the SFO, ninety four

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Speaker 3: percent of the Ministry for Environment all on flexible works.

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Speaker 15: Well, that's right, and there's no not only is the

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Speaker 15: sort of a lack of data around it, which means

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Speaker 15: no one's really worried about it, and so there's adult

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Speaker 15: saying if you can't measure it, you can't manage it.

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Speaker 15: I think also this is smart retail politics from the

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Speaker 15: government because he's long been this feeling that the public

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Speaker 15: sector they locked everyone else at home. During COVID went

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Speaker 15: off to the wided appet to spend time at the

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Speaker 15: back and they've never really come back, but everyone else has,

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Speaker 15: so I think it's good from that perspective, but it's

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Speaker 15: there are two separate issues here. One is which is

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Speaker 15: the real issue. It's around performance in productivity in the

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Speaker 15: public sector. The separate issue is about the slow death

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Speaker 15: of Wellington and the two are very separate issues and

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Speaker 15: need to be seen as such. But I think the

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Speaker 15: government is doing the right thing. The one thing that

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Speaker 15: did interest me though, not doing a humble brag about

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Speaker 15: skyving off for a few weeks, but talking to friends

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Speaker 15: in London where there's still a huge amount of flexibility,

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Speaker 15: like you know, they are in the office really only

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Speaker 15: about three days a week. But I think in that

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Speaker 15: case a lot of it is about the commute and

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Speaker 15: making it easier for people who might have a two

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Speaker 15: hour commute.

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Speaker 21: But I think it's also the right saying that I

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Speaker 21: suppose I'm saying. I think it's good politics. You're right, Trish,

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Speaker 21: But what I'm saying is that I wish the government

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Speaker 21: was saying, actually, you know, MB whatever department it is,

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Speaker 21: what are you doing to actually increase productivity in New Zealand?

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Speaker 21: You grow our economy, invest in R and D, invest

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Speaker 21: in skills. I don't know, but are you actually delivering outcomes?

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Speaker 21: And I don't care if you're sitting at home doing that,

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Speaker 21: as long as you're not renovating or sitting.

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Speaker 1: In the office.

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Speaker 21: And I think that's the letter of expectation I would.

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Speaker 21: I mean, I want to see far more of a

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Speaker 21: of a revolutionary reform of the public sector than just

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Speaker 21: going Are you at home in the office or are

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Speaker 21: you at.

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Speaker 8: The office in the office.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, guys, listen, really appreciate it. It's really good

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Speaker 3: shorts you and it's very nice to have you back. Trish,

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Speaker 3: thank you, And yeah, you can probably humble brag a

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Speaker 3: few more weeks. No, I think one week, one more.

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Speaker 15: I think I've probably got one more day in my

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Speaker 15: office and then I'm done.

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Speaker 3: Because have you been doing that art? Did you know

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Speaker 3: what I just came back from France?

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Speaker 21: Things, Trish, work from home, work from home, and then

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Speaker 21: you won't annoy.

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Speaker 3: If everybody's mental health. Hey, guys, thank you, Trish Sharson

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Speaker 3: and JOSEPEGANI a huddle this evening eight away from six

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Speaker 3: on your.

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Speaker 1: Smart speaker, on the iHeart and in your car on

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Speaker 1: your drive home. Heather Duplicy Alan drive with one New

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Speaker 1: zealand one giant leap for Business News Talk said, be

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Speaker 1: oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: By the way five away from six. Fletcher Building has

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Speaker 3: announced it went to into a trading halt today has

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Speaker 3: announced that it is going to raise seven hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollars it wants. It's doing an equity raise as a

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Speaker 3: prudent measure, it says, to strengthen the company's balance sheet

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Speaker 3: and improve financial stability and resilience in the current challenging

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Speaker 3: environment paid down debt, stuff like that. I've been looking

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Speaker 3: for a way to waste money. I've been I've been thinking, jeez,

1417
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Speaker 3: I've got too much money. What can I just waste?

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Speaker 3: What can I what can I throw my money at

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Speaker 3: so I never get it back?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Look there, Fletcher needs money. Why don't we do that anyway? So, dude,

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Speaker 3: I'm not a registered financial advisor. Don't listen to what

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Speaker 3: I say at all, but I'm you know, anyway, That's

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Speaker 3: how I feel about it. Shane Solly, who is actually

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Speaker 3: an expert on this, will be a thus in around

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Speaker 3: about twenty minutes twenty five really, if we're completely honest,

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Speaker 3: and he'll talk us through what he makes of that situation. Now,

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Speaker 3: I I'm a little bit worried about what the courts ah,

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Speaker 3: here we go, No hold on, I have to get

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Speaker 3: to your feedback on what's going on here Hither. What

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Speaker 3: are the odds that Tory gets COVID this week? Quite high,

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Speaker 3: I think actually, because as it will be four weeks

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Speaker 3: now since Tory's had COVID, so I think it's probably

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Speaker 3: probably due. In fact, she could just be honest because

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Speaker 3: she lives in Wellington and just stop pretending she's getting COVID.

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Speaker 3: Just go I'm WFH today working from home. So that'll end.

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Speaker 3: Everybody will be like, that's fine, it's Wellington, You're allowed

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Speaker 3: Hither what you need to do, and Wellington has just

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01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 3: insist that working from home cannot be taken on a

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Speaker 3: Monday or a Friday. That is what my work did

1441
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 3: and it made a huge impact. What a surprise here

1442
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 3: that what you need to do is treat public service

1443
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 3: attendants at work like school attendants. Set a target of

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Speaker 3: ninety five percent in the office or zero bonuses for

1445
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 3: senior management. Angus, I'm loving these ideas. Hither. These ladies

1446
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 3: are crazy. That'll be trishing Josie the employer is me

1447
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Speaker 3: the taxpayer, and I want the lazy swine at work,

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01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 3: not at the cricket all the footy, and I'm paying

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Speaker 3: agreed totally. I don't. I feel like there is no

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Speaker 3: downside politically to the government doing this. However, as I said,

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Speaker 3: it's a bit woolley. So we're going to talk to

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Speaker 3: Nickolouillis about this shortly now. But worried about what the

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Speaker 3: courts are doing here with six climate protesters. I think

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Speaker 3: they go a bit soft here. So these six are

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Speaker 3: extinction rebellion numpties who back in twenty twenty one blocked

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Speaker 3: a train. There were twelve wagons of coal. They were

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Speaker 3: coming from Nightcaps. They were going to the Fontira plant

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Speaker 3: and so these guys and they climbed on the tracks

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Speaker 3: and then they climbed all over the trains and stuff.

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Speaker 3: It stopped that train, and it also stopped stopped an

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Speaker 3: excursion train that was going to be going to Omaru.

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Speaker 3: These guys have all basically been found guilty of various

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Speaker 3: charges of obstruction or trespass or whatever. The judges indicated

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Speaker 3: that when they come back for sentencing on December seventeen,

1465
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Speaker 3: they will get a discharge without conviction. Why why some

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Speaker 3: of these guys have been doing this multiple times. Why

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Speaker 3: why are you going to give them a discharge without conviction?

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Speaker 3: Commit them? Also, there is a reparation of sixty thousand

1469
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Speaker 3: dollars being sought, but that's being assessed. Why get the

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Speaker 3: money off them? Make him pay?

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Speaker 24: Headlines next, if we have business insight the business hour,

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Speaker 24: We're headed Duplessy Allen and my Hr on newstogs A B.

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Speaker 3: You've been coming up in the next hour. Shane Soley

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Speaker 3: on Fletcher's planned equity raise, Zesprie on the key fruit

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01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 3: market doing very well. And Gavin Gray out of the

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Speaker 3: UK for US right now seven past six, and Nichola

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Speaker 3: Willis the Finance Minister and also the public sector ministers

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Speaker 3: with US right now. Hey Nicola, Hi Heather. I'm very

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Speaker 3: excited about you sending these guys back to work. Are

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Speaker 3: they crying?

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Speaker 8: Well, Look, there are many public servants who come into

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Speaker 8: work every day already. Others I think we'll be having

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Speaker 8: another look at their arrangements. We want to see more

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Speaker 8: public servants coming in to the office each day, and

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Speaker 8: our message to all of them is pretty clear. If

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Speaker 8: it's possible for you to work in the office. You

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Speaker 8: should how we've tuned up the expectations.

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Speaker 3: Right, and how many days would you like them in

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Speaker 3: the office.

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Speaker 8: Well, that is going to very considerably from person to person.

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Speaker 8: The number one test for us is can it be

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Speaker 8: demonstrated that you will be performing one hundred percent? And

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Speaker 8: you have to think about performance in the broadest sense,

1494
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 8: because it's not just about what how many emails you're

1495
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 8: sending or whether you've written a report. It's are you

1496
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 8: available to your colleagues to answer their questions? Are you

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01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 8: collaborating with your team, are you helping support other workers,

1498
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 8: are you engaging with people in other parts of the agency.

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Speaker 8: All of those things are more likely to happen if

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Speaker 8: you're physically present.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you haven't actually set them any directives

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01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 3: like this is how many days you've got to be

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Speaker 3: in the office, this is how many of your staff

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01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 3: were expect in the office five days a week. What's

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Speaker 3: to stop them just carrying on the way they are

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Speaker 3: and say we are working at one hundred percent.

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Speaker 8: Well, we've set three very clear expectations. The first expectation

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01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 8: is that these arrangements are no longer and to be

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01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 8: seen as an entitlement. They are by agreement only, explicit

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Speaker 8: agreement that is explicitly monitored in overseen by your manager

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Speaker 8: and chief executive. Second, where those agreements exist, they should

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Speaker 8: it can be demonstrated that performance isn't going to be

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Speaker 8: effected in any way. And that's performance in the broader

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Speaker 8: sense of the term. And Third, here's the thing I

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01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 8: think is going to have a big impact. We are

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 8: going to require public sector agencies to report how many

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01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 8: people have these arrangements for how many days, and how

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01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 8: many people are working from home on any given day

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Speaker 8: of the week. And once we ask chief executives to

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01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 8: report that, and then we can compare one agency with another,

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01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 8: that's when we can really take a close look at

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Speaker 8: whether this is working the way people would expect, because, Heather,

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01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 8: if everyone's taking Fridays off, we're going to have some questions.

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Speaker 3: That's a way, isn't it. Oh my goodness? How long

1525
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 3: is it going to take for them to actually get

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Speaker 3: the starter to you?

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Speaker 8: Well, I want it in place early next year. I've

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01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 8: said to the Public Service Commission that they need to

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01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 8: make these exp spectations clear to chief executives. That in

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01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 8: fact written to chief executives today and that I expect

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01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 8: them to refresh the guidelines and to start collecting the

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01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 8: start as soon as possible in a way that means

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Speaker 8: we can compare it. I think chief executives should know

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Speaker 8: how many workers they have in the office on a

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01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 8: given day. But the truth is right now, in the

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01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 8: public sector they can't tell us, and we've got to

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Speaker 8: tune that up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, what proportion of the public sector have this

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Speaker 3: in their contracts?

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Speaker 8: Well, that's a good question. I've made clear that all

1541
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 8: contractual arrangements, of course, need to be upheld. New Zealand

1542
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 8: employment law actually allows employees to ask for flexible arrangements

1543
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 8: and people can expect those to be accommodated unless their

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01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 8: employer and employer can give a good reason, and the

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01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 8: reasons are stated in law and they do relate to

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01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 8: performance and quality, so that legal expectation remains. But the

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Speaker 8: key thing here is some jobs just completely aren't suited,

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01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 8: of course, to working in the offer. In fact, most

1549
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 8: New Zealand workers don't have that option, because if you're

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01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 8: working in a supermarket, if you're a nurse, if you're

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01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 8: working on the roads, you don't have this option. No,

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01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 8: and many many jobs in the public service are the same,

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Speaker 8: and our view is that actually, if you're an office worker,

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01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 8: you shouldn't have this view that you have a special entitlement.

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01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 8: Actually you've got just as much of a need to

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01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 8: be physically present for work in many cases as any

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01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 8: other way.

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Speaker 3: What are you going to do, though, because there are

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01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 3: some agencies that have already started to downsize and either

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 3: move into new buildings that are smaller because they don't

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Speaker 3: have everybody there all the time, or they're giving up floors.

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Speaker 8: What happens then, well, this is one of the reasons

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01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 8: I want the data, because I'll tell you what. I've

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01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 8: had more than one minister say to me, Nicola, I

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01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 8: went and did a floor walk of my agency and

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Speaker 8: I can't believe how many empty desks there were. And

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Speaker 8: so what we had observe across the public service is

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Speaker 8: that there does appear to be spare capacity in offices.

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Speaker 8: I know for a fact that the Government Property Group

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Speaker 8: has excess capacity across its life, so I don't think

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Speaker 8: that that's going to be a problem. Of course, all

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Speaker 8: government departments are asked to ensure that their leases are appropriate,

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Speaker 8: and they'll continue to do that, But I don't think

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Speaker 8: we've got a problem with a lack of space.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now you obviously did this today because I wrote

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01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 3: a column about it yesterday and you read it.

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Speaker 8: No, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but this is something

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01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 8: we have been working on for sometime. It's very good

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01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 8: timing by you.

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Speaker 3: Very Look, if anybody asks you, just say, it's that

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01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 3: just I just need a but I need to bump

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01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 3: up my street crew just a little bit. And it

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01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 3: turns out a fib here and there in Wellington's not

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Speaker 3: a problem. Do you think it's time not? Actually, no, no,

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Speaker 3: before we get to that. Did you see the Q

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Speaker 3: and A interview?

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Speaker 8: I did, and thoughts it was quite painful to watch, Heather, it.

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Speaker 3: Was which bit was more painful? Do you think the

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Speaker 3: bit about not having sold the car or the bit

1590
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 3: about being confused about what's actually going to happen with

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01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 3: the airport shares and the long term plan.

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Speaker 8: I found the airport one particularly troubling because I thought

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01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 8: there had been many attempts by the interviewer to get

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01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 8: a clear answer, and the answer did seem to move

1595
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 8: around the full three hundred and sixty degrees. So it

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01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 8: was not particularly excellent. But look here that I'm hesitating

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01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 8: here because you know, sure, sure as the eggs, I'm

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01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 8: going to have a car crash of an interview one day.

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Speaker 8: That will be the case. It happens to all politicians,

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Speaker 8: and so do I hesitate to be the first Tha Nicola.

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Speaker 3: I feel like this is a special case.

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Speaker 8: I think I'd be having a bit of a chat

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Speaker 8: with the PM if that happened to me.

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Speaker 3: I think we'll be having a chat with PM at

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01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 3: that stage. What's going on?

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01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 12: Though?

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Speaker 3: Do you think that there needs to be a Crown observer?

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01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 3: Have we got to that stage?

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Speaker 8: I am really worried about our council. The city just

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01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 8: clearly has major issues right now. We need a council

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01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 8: focused on doing the basics properly. Instead, it seems to

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01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 8: be quite focused on infighting on cycle ways, on speed bumps,

1613
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 8: on road cones. And I also see the dysfunction over

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 8: the long term plan and votes around the table and relationships.

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Speaker 8: Even just the way the Mayor spoke about our fellow

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01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 8: counselors in that interview was quite concerning. So I am

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Speaker 8: concerned about it. Ultimately, the Minister for Local Government has

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01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 8: a range of statutory powers available to him should those

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01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 8: concerns reach quite a high bar, and I know that

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Speaker 8: Minister Simon Brown is watching Wellington City Council very closely.

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Speaker 3: I'm pleased to hear that. Now, look on the GDP right,

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01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 3: we are in a bit of trouble here. We've obviously

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Speaker 3: had a recession for two years. If you look at

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Speaker 3: GDP per capita, do you see this turning around anytime soon?

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Speaker 8: Yes, I do, but I acknowledge how tough the situation

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Speaker 8: has been, which is that we had a significant spike

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Speaker 8: in inflation, big cost of living crisis, interest rates jumped

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01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 8: up and had got to very high levels, and of

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Speaker 8: course we didn't actually see any hutton interest rates until August,

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Speaker 8: and so the data for the GDP last week was

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Speaker 8: the period before that happened. What I'm pleased to see

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Speaker 8: is that we've now got forecasts for interest rates coming down,

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Speaker 8: inflation being back and band and that's what you want

1634
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 8: to see to see businesses feeling confident again. And some surveys,

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Speaker 8: the A and Z survey for example, show that many

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01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 8: businesses are feeling more confident about the future now, which

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01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 8: is good to see. It's not to say it's all

1638
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 8: roses for everyone, but I think we're turning a corner.

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01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but now the trouble we've got coming at us

1640
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 3: is that migration's about to fall off a cliff and

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01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 3: that's going to cause all kinds of troubles as well,

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01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 3: isn't it.

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01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 12: Well.

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Speaker 8: I think New Zealanders want to see growth happening in

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01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 8: a real way. So we talk about per capita GDP,

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01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 8: which is per person GDP, and that is the number

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01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 8: that I think is ultimately really important. So even if

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01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 8: you don't have really high numbers of people coming into

1649
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 8: the country, you can still get productive growth and that's

1650
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,879
Speaker 8: what we want to see. We want to see businesses investing.

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01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 8: We want to see them confident about hiring more people,

1652
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:07,440
Speaker 8: exporting to new markets, trialing new products, buying new manufacturing

1653
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 8: kit and all of those things can happen without high immigration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, right, Nichola, listen, thank you, Always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: That's Nicola Willis, the Finance Minister and the Public Sector

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01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 3: Minister as well. Shane Soli's are this next sixteen past

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01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 3: six crunching the.

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01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,600
Speaker 1: Numbers and getting the results. It's Heather du for se

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01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: Ellen with the Business Hours. Thanks to my HR, the

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Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on news Talks MB.

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Speaker 3: Heather, how did the agencies downsize if they don't know

1662
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 3: how many flexible arrangements there are and how many seats

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01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 3: they needed? Smells like in competence to meet keV fairpoint. Also,

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01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 3: maybe like whether if we pretend we don't know what's

1665
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 3: going on here because some of the agencies, and I

1666
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 3: have pointed this out earlier, some of the government agencies

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01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 3: do have the data online. You can go and look

1668
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 3: at it, so some of them are fully aware of

1669
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 3: what's going on. Others are just like no, no, no,

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01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 3: hither you could probably leave the desks empty, won't make

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01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 3: a difference, would agre with that?

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01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 9: Here?

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01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 3: The who cares where you work as long as you're

1674
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 3: doing the work, And that is the problem. We don't

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01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 3: know that they're doing the work. And here the how

1676
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 3: so the public service attendance rates are now being reported

1677
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 3: just like student attendants. How did the public service allow

1678
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 3: it to get to this point? Rachel by taking the

1679
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 3: mickey and needing grown ups to watch them. That's how

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01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 3: twenty past six, Shane solely harbor asset management is with

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01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 3: us right now? Shane, Hey, Heather, what do you make

1682
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 3: of this news that Fletcher Building has got the begging

1683
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 3: bowl out.

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01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 5: Mmmm.

1685
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 20: Looks so here the Fletcher Buildings raised seven hundred million

1686
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 20: today of new equity, very much about trying to pay

1687
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 20: down some debt, give it a bit of strength in

1688
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 20: this balance sheet. So then I'll view the reset because

1689
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 20: a bit more strength financial strength at least to allow

1690
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 20: for improving its operational performance, while training activity remains pretty tough.

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01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 20: So it gives them a bit of a cushion. I

1692
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 20: guess outside the capital raise, they've talked about raising or

1693
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 20: reducing costs one hundred and eighty million, and the course

1694
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 20: that may include some more job blusses. Certainly the resetting

1695
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 20: the balance sheet, new chief executive officer, new financial chief

1696
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 20: fundshoe officer, getting back on the tools maybe after the

1697
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 20: reset this balance sheet. So yeah, certainly it's a big jump,

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01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 20: a little bit of a surprise. Market hadn't quite anticipated this, So.

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Speaker 3: It seems to me kind of risky because they've got

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01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 3: the litigation probably coming out in the class action. But

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01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 3: then on the other hand, seventeen percent discount on the

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01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 3: share price seems okay. Does it kind of balance out

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01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 3: to you?

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01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 20: Yeah, Look, it's interesting that we've seen the company really

1705
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 20: raise quite a lot of capital to try and give

1706
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 20: it a position where some of these risks are addressed.

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01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 4: So we'll see through time.

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01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 20: You know, we can't. We don't actually know that things

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01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 20: are necessarily going to turn around in a hurry, but

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01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 20: certainly they've taken a pretty aggressive stance and raising capital

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01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 20: to give the business a bit of a chance.

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01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 3: Now, I mean we've obviously had this one and then

1713
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 3: we had last week Aukland Airport's one point four billion

1714
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 3: dollar capital raise. You reckon, this is going to become

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01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 3: a thing or a bunch of company is going to

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01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 3: try and do this.

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01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 20: So interesting, we can't really rule it out. There's a

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01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 20: bit of difference between Awkward Airport of Ledger Building Orkord

1719
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 20: Airport raising capital predominator support this massive infrastructure development they're

1720
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 20: doing pledge building more about So we're going to get

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01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 20: a bit of a financial concushion. But you know, we

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01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 20: think perhaps there's other companies maybe they'll be tended to

1723
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 20: raise new equity to support growth. But we can't rule

1724
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 20: out other businesses saying hey, look we need to the

1725
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 20: economy is not getting better. We're in a tough place.

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01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 20: We need to reinforce the bone shoot so we can't

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Speaker 20: rule it out either.

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01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 4: Yees.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of which, we had some more weak economic data today,

1730
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 3: didn't we.

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01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 20: Yeah, Look, unfortunately we can't catch a trick here in

1732
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 20: New Zealand, and it's probably telling us just how bad

1733
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 20: things have got today. We had the Bacon August job

1734
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 20: as index and nets based on data on seeks. If

1735
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 20: you go and seek, you can see the number of

1736
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 20: ads go down and they dropped one point three percent

1737
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 20: for the August month on the July month. Doesn't sound

1738
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 20: like a lot, but if we aggregate that over the

1739
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 20: last twelve months, we're actually down thirty one percent. Massive

1740
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 20: drop in the number of job adds. Certainly we're seeing

1741
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:07,759
Speaker 20: more application applicants and more people applying for jobs. Really,

1742
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 20: you come back to what does it mean. We also

1743
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 20: had a really quite a weak trade deficit, so we're

1744
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 20: basically imported more than we exported. We're deficit of nine

1745
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 20: point three billion dollars. Big number, right, really disappointing, and

1746
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 20: that was driven a little bit by one large a craft.

1747
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 2: But still a weak number.

1748
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 20: It all aggregates back to the reserve bag and zone

1749
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 20: starts to need to think about cutting interest rates even more.

1750
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 3: What are you going to be looking at out of

1751
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 3: the overseas markets tonight.

1752
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 20: Interesting, there's some data points out of the US in particular,

1754
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 20: which is activity economic activity, and of course the Federal

1755
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 20: Reserve recently cut rates and they said, look, we're going

1756
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 20: to go again if we think interest rates sorry, if

1757
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 20: activity is going to drop more. Tonight, we've got the

1758
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:57,879
Speaker 20: Chicago FEARED National Activity Index and USMP Global Composite Purchasing

1759
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 20: Manager Industry, and you got to go who cares. They're

1760
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 20: very good lead indicators for employmentages. So that's what the

1761
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 20: US for the Reserve is worried about. They want to

1762
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 20: make sure unemployment rates don't go through the roof, and

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01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 20: perhaps sisters gives them more ammunition to keep cutting rate. Similarly,

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01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 20: we have our number out in Europe, which is the

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01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 20: European Purchasing Managerity, and we've seen the European Central Bank

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01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 20: go we need to cut rates again too.

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Speaker 3: There.

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01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 20: But going on tomorrow, we've got a bit of activity

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01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 20: in the Australian economy where the Reserve Bank of Australia

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01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 20: is due to come out with their cash right decision.

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01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 20: Expectation is pretty.

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01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 2: Low of a cut.

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Speaker 20: In fact, perhaps the Australian economy is going through where

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01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 20: we were six to twelve months ago. So low expectations

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01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 20: of cuts from the IRBA, but hey it's it's not

1776
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 20: our it's not totally a zero, but odds are very low.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, Shane, thank you so much. As always appreciate it.

1778
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 3: Shane solely Humber management here. There's some pockets of health.

1779
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 3: New Zealand are actively encouraging staff to work from home

1780
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 3: as we don't have enough space six twenty four.

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01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

1782
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my Hr.

1783
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: The HR Solution for Busy SMEs us DOGSB.

1784
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 3: Twenty seven past six. Now we're going to talk Kiwi

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01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 3: fruit shortly because Kiwi fruit exports, she's the Kiwi fruit

1786
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 3: business is doing well. Kee We fruit exports are the

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01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 3: highest they've ever been. They hit in the year to

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01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 3: August they hit three point one billion dollars, which is

1789
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 3: an increased year on year of twenty percent. And it's

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01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 3: largely driven by the gold. And you've got to admit

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01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 3: the gold is the one right because it's not as

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01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 3: pricey as the red one. I mean, who's that rich

1793
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 3: and it's also not as furry as the green One

1794
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 3: is a really sweet spot there with the Gold's nice.

1795
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 3: You could just eat the whole thing. Also, if you're

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01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 3: one of those people who like like me, who likes

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01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 3: to just eat everything in the fruit a minimum fuss,

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01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 3: you can gobble that whole thing and skin and all

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01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 3: in snow. Problem at all. Now, if you're speaking of money,

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01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 3: if you have spent a lot of money on Oasis tickets,

1801
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 3: I don't want to kill your excitement. But Liam Gallagher

1802
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 3: played at Wembley Stadium over the weekend and the critics

1803
01:22:55,120 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 3: hated it. We're trying to decide if it's that bad

1804
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 3: because I don't think it's that bad. I mean, I

1805
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 3: think I know I can kind of follow what he's

1806
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 3: doing here, right He's singing a song that's got to

1807
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 3: work out whatever anyway, And when you go to a

1808
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 3: show it neven really sounds like the album. If there's

1809
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 3: a problem with that, listen to the album. It's not

1810
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 3: a pop song, is it, anyway? Let me know if

1811
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 3: it's I don't think it's that bad, let me know.

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01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 3: Nine two nine two.

1813
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 1: Everything from S's to the Big Corporates. The Business Hour

1814
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: with Heather dupless ales and my HR the HR solution

1815
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: for busy sms on news talks.

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01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 9: It be.

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01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 3: All right, Gavin Gray is going to be at us

1818
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 3: in ten minutes time. Very happy news for people in Britain.

1819
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 3: Up to now, people who've had asthma or acne were

1820
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 3: not allowed to join the Armed forces. They have now

1821
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 3: they have now unwound that. So if you've gotten that,

1822
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 3: you obviously because you're not going to join it because

1823
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 3: you're here. But if you're over there and you've got

1824
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 3: asthma and acne you are now able to join the

1825
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 3: armed forces. That doesn't make any sense. Get the asthma thing,

1826
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,560
Speaker 3: because nobody wants old mate, who's you know, supposed to

1827
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 3: be carrying a body all of a sudden you're like

1828
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 3: dragging somebody out of the battlefield and they're like, oh, no,

1829
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 3: I'm having an asthma attack. Nobody needs that to be happening.

1830
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 3: But severe acne seems are really bizarre thing to keep

1831
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 3: yourself out of the Armed Forces for, don't you think

1832
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 3: I mean in a no, I'm trying to figure it out.

1833
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 3: I can't on the spot, cannot figure it out. So anyway,

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01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:50,799
Speaker 3: he's going to talk us through that and maybe explain

1835
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 3: why that is even there in the first place. It's

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01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 3: twenty three away from seven ever do for c Allen here,

1837
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 3: we through the exports are the highest they've ever been,

1838
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 3: hitting three point one billion dollar for the year to

1839
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 3: the end of August. It's an increase of twenty percent,

1840
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 3: as I was telling you earlier year on year, and

1841
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 3: it's driven by the gold variety. Michael Fox is Zespriy's

1842
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 3: head of global public affairs and with us Michael.

1843
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 2: Hello, hy here, how are you very well?

1844
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: Thank you?

1845
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 3: Guys must be absolutely thrilled with us.

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01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 5: We are, and it's really great to see Grohlers have

1847
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 5: their tails up just the largest ever crop up about

1848
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 5: forty five percent on last year, outseending fruit quality in

1849
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 5: the markets performing really well. So it's good to see

1850
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 5: gross for confidence.

1851
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 3: Why are people loving the gold at the moment, or rather,

1852
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 3: who is loving the gold?

1853
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 2: Well?

1854
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 5: This We export more than fifty markets around the world,

1855
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 5: and gold is certainly a real growth category. But green's

1856
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 5: also performing really strongly as well, and also having a

1857
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 5: really good season.

1858
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 12: In the market.

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01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 3: Is there anybody in particular in the world's who's into it?

1860
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 3: Was just everybody?

1861
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,839
Speaker 5: Oh, I think I think lots of people and hopefully

1862
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 5: more to come, but certainly China is a large market.

1863
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 5: And what we do say is is that you know,

1864
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 5: the swinger tasting fruit is more suited to the Asian

1865
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 5: and the Asian countries genuinely do love sun gold but

1866
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 5: we also see really strong growth, our growth and the

1867
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 5: likes of the UIs is a really strong growth market

1868
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 5: for US as well as as well as Europe.

1869
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 3: And how's the red coming along?

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01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 5: It's coming along. Yes, that's Onny sort of two or

1871
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 5: three years into commercialization and still small volumes, but it

1872
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 5: generates a huge amount of excitement and market people are

1873
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 5: really excited about that red color and the taste of it,

1874
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 5: and they're really confident in that category as well.

1875
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1876
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 3: I mean the thing about it is because I haven't

1877
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 3: actually tried a red Michael, so you've got to tell

1878
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 3: me about this. The thing that I get excited about

1879
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 3: is the color as well. What's the taste like?

1880
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 5: It depends on how you ask. I've heard guava, I've

1881
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 5: heard berries, I've heard a mix of sun golden berries.

1882
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 5: So the beauty is in the beholder a little bit.

1883
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 5: But it does taste good. It's different to green and gold,

1884
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 5: and that's kind of what we do as as we

1885
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 5: are looking for new varieties to bring new consumers to

1886
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 5: the category. But like I said, it is pretty extraordinary

1887
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 5: how it excited people get about the red piece of

1888
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 5: fruit and it gives us real confidence.

1889
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty weird that it tastes like guava. Hey, Okay,

1890
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 3: like weird in a good way. Weird in a good way.

1891
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:03,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to be disparaging of the thing. It

1892
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 3: sounds awesome. How are we Yeah, how are you feeling

1893
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 3: after all of the stuff that you guys have been through?

1894
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: Are you?

1895
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 3: Are you through it? The stuff with the bad crops

1896
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,719
Speaker 3: and the mishandling and the mice and all that stuff.

1897
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good point you makee. So, it has

1898
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 5: been a couple of tough years if you go back

1899
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 5: to COVID and the labor shortage, and that drove real

1900
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 5: significant fruit quality issues, and that took a lot of

1901
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 5: value out of the industry. Last year we were down

1902
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 5: about twenty percent on where we thought we'd bee and

1903
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:28,799
Speaker 5: that was just a range of sort of bad weather events.

1904
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 5: But I think, you know, you talk to a lot

1905
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 5: of people who have been around the industry for a

1906
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 5: long time. And while it's you know, while it's it's

1907
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 5: you know, they're still rebuilding and they're still challenges. You know,

1908
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 5: the outlook from Grows is a lot more optim the

1909
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 5: signum it's been and I think this year the spring,

1910
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 5: you know, the orchards are looking great, the weather's great.

1911
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 5: So that's very early days in Touchwood, but hopefully that

1912
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 5: confidence continues.

1913
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 3: Good stuff, Michael, thank you, appreciate your time and best

1914
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 3: of luck with the season. That's Michael Fox. Who's zizbriezehead

1915
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 3: of Global public Affairs now Amazon. Amazon's been a little

1916
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 3: bit of being with the subject of a fair amount

1917
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 3: of chat this show recently because they have already done

1918
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 3: the thing that the public service is sort of sort

1919
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 3: of going to try and do, which as they've gone

1920
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 3: back to the office, right because the old the boss

1921
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 3: over at Amazon said to them was the chief executive

1922
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 3: I think, who doesn't like working from home, said to them,

1923
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 3: you're all back in the office five days a week

1924
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 3: from the second of January. Now, one of the things

1925
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 3: that was missed in that, because everybody was like word

1926
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 3: and dealt with that. One of the things that was

1927
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 3: missed in that is that he has also decided to

1928
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 3: cut needless meetings, pointless meetings, so when they do go

1929
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 3: back into the office, they will have He promised them

1930
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 3: no more pre meetings for the pre meetings for the

1931
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 3: decision meetings. He says, there are artifacts that he would

1932
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 3: like to change and get rid of, and you would

1933
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 3: have to. I mean feels to me like these guys,

1934
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 3: well see how it goes, right, because you'll see how

1935
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:45,679
Speaker 3: it goes. But it feels to me like these guys

1936
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 3: are doing the right thing here because hands up. Who

1937
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 3: has sat in a meeting at work and been like,

1938
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 3: why am I actually here?

1939
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 17: What is?

1940
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 3: And you just all you want, all you're thinking about

1941
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 3: is trying to finish your word or word in your head,

1942
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Speaker 3: just to try and keep yourself interested in the situation.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? Like the number of meetings,

1944
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Speaker 3: I don't mind being at the For some reason, we're

1945
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Speaker 3: actually quite efficient here at work, and I can't explain why,

1946
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Speaker 3: but I think we just don't have a cultural problem

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Speaker 3: with the meetings at ZB, which don't have a lot

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Speaker 3: of meetings, thank god, thank the dear Lord for that.

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Speaker 3: But how many times have you been in a meeting

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Speaker 3: which is a meeting where you decide how you're going

1951
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Speaker 3: to pitch the idea to somebody else at the next meeting. Well,

1952
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 3: all of this has gone by the way, there are

1953
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Speaker 3: ways if you do have problems like this in your workplace,

1954
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Speaker 3: and clearly a lot of people do, there are ways

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Speaker 3: to actually try and get around this right because some

1956
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Speaker 3: pre meetings are important, but there is sometimes an abundance

1957
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Speaker 3: of them. One way to do it is what Slack does.

1958
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 3: Slack is a business that does like internal workplace communications.

1959
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Speaker 3: Twice a quarter, they just do a purge kind of

1960
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Speaker 3: like a spring cleaning. They just cancel all the meetings

1961
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Speaker 3: for an entire week normal meetings, and they eliminate all

1962
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Speaker 3: of them on Fridays and have any meetings on Fridays,

1963
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Speaker 3: and it basically causes people, by the looks of things,

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Speaker 3: to come kind of reset. Shopify has a different way

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Speaker 3: of doing it. They have a tool embedded in your

1966
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Speaker 3: calculator and your calendar sorry at work, that estimates the

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Speaker 3: cost of each meeting. So when you go into your

1968
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Speaker 3: meeting and it's like Laura and Heather are going to

1969
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Speaker 3: have a meeting about what should we have a meeting

1970
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Speaker 3: about today? Laura, next week, let's have a meeting about

1971
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Speaker 3: next week. Should we have a meeting about next week.

1972
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Speaker 3: We're just going to have a meeting about next week.

1973
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Speaker 3: So what we'll do is I'll be like, I'm going

1974
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Speaker 3: to invite Laura to the meeting about next week forty

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Speaker 3: five minutes, and then it will put a little tool.

1976
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Speaker 3: Then it'll be like, you guys just wasted the company

1977
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Speaker 3: twenty million dollars or whatever it is, and that would

1978
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Speaker 3: basically quantified and make you not do it anymore. I

1979
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Speaker 3: love this place. If I'm finished working at ZB, I'm

1980
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Speaker 3: going to go and work at m Amazon. So I

1981
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 3: feel like they're not going to want me, but I'm

1982
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Speaker 3: gonna want them because they are like the way they

1983
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Speaker 3: think seventeen away from seven.

1984
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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1985
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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duperic and my HR the

1986
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Speaker 1: HR solution for Busy SMS on Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 3: And Gavin Gray is our UK correspondent. Heykevin, Hi, there,

1988
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Speaker 3: So this budget that you guys have looming is going

1989
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Speaker 3: to be one that's going to rebuild Britain apparently.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, So the budget doesn't until the end of October,

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Speaker 13: just over five weeks time, but the government important today

1993
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Speaker 13: will be setting out its plans for the future. This

1994
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Speaker 13: is the first speech by the new Chancellor, Rachel Reeves

1995
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Speaker 13: at a party conference. So every year the political parties

1996
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Speaker 13: go away and discuss their manifestos, discuss their plans proposals

1997
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Speaker 13: among the party membership and Rachel Reeves, the new Chancellor,

1998
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Speaker 13: do you to give her speech in a little over

1999
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Speaker 13: four hours time and saying that she's going to rebuild

2000
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Speaker 13: written it comes to me quite a bit of a

2001
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 13: row saying effectively, the government has been so pessimistic about

2002
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Speaker 13: the economic situation here in the UK, saying it has

2003
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 13: inherited this twenty two billion pound almost fifty billion New

2004
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Speaker 13: Zealand dollars black hole in the economy is what they're

2005
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 13: say that many people saying you are driving investment out

2006
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Speaker 13: of Britain. So what we're expected to hear today perhaps

2007
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Speaker 13: a little bit of talking things up, but definitely the

2008
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Speaker 13: message will be no return to austerity. She will say.

2009
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Speaker 13: The previous government had austerity at its center and it

2010
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Speaker 13: was destructive. They say they've got to deal with that

2011
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Speaker 13: and that'll mean some tough decisions. So it's going to

2012
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Speaker 13: be a budget with real ambitions now They've already ruled

2013
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Speaker 13: out numerous different tax rises, which is interesting. No major

2014
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Speaker 13: increase in national insurance, income tax, normal income tax and

2015
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Speaker 13: value added tax here in the UK. So what does

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Speaker 13: that leave. Well, lots of people think inheritance tax, the

2017
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Speaker 13: tax on what you leave after you die, along with

2018
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Speaker 13: maybe another one called capital gains tax, which is a

2019
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Speaker 13: tax on a profit that you make from buying something

2020
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Speaker 13: and then selling it more expensively, could come into play.

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Speaker 13: But I don't think we're going to hear the detail.

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Speaker 13: They're going to keep that till the end of October.

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Speaker 3: How one earth has France ended up with the right

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Speaker 3: wing government.

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Speaker 13: It's absolutely astonishing, actually, so it is the oddness the

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Speaker 13: way in which they pick their cabinets and the way

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Speaker 13: in which their politics worked. You will remember that the president,

2028
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Speaker 13: Emmanuel Macron, chose a snap election back in July, an

2029
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Speaker 13: election which he thought would strengthen his position. It didn't.

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Speaker 13: It weakened it, and in the end the right wing

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Speaker 13: parties did very well, and to block them, a group

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Speaker 13: of left wing parties got together and said, look, vote

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Speaker 13: for us, because we are effectively the only way to

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Speaker 13: stop the right and far right getting in Well. Emmanuel

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Speaker 13: Macron has appointed a centrist prime minister by the name

2036
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Speaker 13: of Michelle Barnier. He was the eu Brexit negotiator and

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Speaker 13: has now unveiled a right wing or right of center

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Speaker 13: party for his ministers in the cabinet. It's extraordinary because

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Speaker 13: most people voted left wing, so already there are demands

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Speaker 13: for people to have a vote and no confidence. Their

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Speaker 13: first cabinet meeting will be this afternoon, but within hours

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Speaker 13: of announcing his choice of people to elect as ministers,

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Speaker 13: they are already facing this no confidence vote, which we

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Speaker 13: expect to take place quite soon, and that incidentally could

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Speaker 13: be the first of many no confidence votes even if

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Speaker 13: they survived that. It is an extraordinary choice, but many

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Speaker 13: think will he got himself into this model and now

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Speaker 13: he's going to have to try and get out of it.

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Speaker 3: Devin, can you explain to me why, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: understand why people with esthma were kept out of the

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Speaker 3: armed forces, but why echnic.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's well, it's a very very good reason that

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Speaker 13: the reason behind it is often some of the medications

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Speaker 13: that people with actniely have to take lead them to

2055
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 13: different side effects. But you're right, it's a ridiculous thing.

2056
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Speaker 13: But for many many years now people with acne and

2057
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Speaker 13: asthma have been kept out of the British Army.

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Speaker 1: Not so from now.

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Speaker 13: The reason is a recruitment crisis. It's said that the

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Speaker 13: British Armies and its smallest size in two hundred years.

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Speaker 13: They did already say a six percent pay increase should

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Speaker 13: hope boost recruitment, but it wants to speed up the process.

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Speaker 13: This current government, with outdated restrictions being are really thrown

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Speaker 13: on the scrap peep And so now although you still

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Speaker 13: have to pass a tough medical people with heart problems,

2066
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 13: back hood problems, hearing or vision issues and other issues

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01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 13: will struggle to make the grade, but a range of

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Speaker 13: other conditions that might have affected your chances will now

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Speaker 13: be accepted. And also, interestingly, in this they're saying, you know, certainly, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 13: if your frontline asthma will be an effect, but what

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Speaker 13: happens if you're a great gamer. They're even saying, you know,

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Speaker 13: if you're a gamer, we are looking for top cyber

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Speaker 13: defense experts. So it is a wide ranging call to arms.

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Speaker 3: Interesting the nerds get jobs as well. Gevin, thanks very much,

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Speaker 3: which is good. It was always going to pay off heaven.

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Speaker 13: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray, a UK correspondent here, the people will stop

2078
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 3: from joining the armed forces with acne because there was

2079
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 3: and is a risk of skin infection when serving in

2080
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Speaker 3: field conditions, and the acne could be further inflamed by

2081
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 3: certain pieces of equipment that will warn or I used.

2082
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 3: I suppose, like if you put a mask on at

2083
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Speaker 3: It's a fair point, Heather. Oasis sucked. Liam sucks harder

2084
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 3: than my electrolas electrolux, Heather. They are a mirage and

2085
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 3: in an oasis, he couldn't sing his way out of

2086
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 3: a paper bag. Hither. That was bad from le and

2087
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 3: it sounded like a pub band that's been paid in pints. Hither,

2088
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 3: I'd rather hear you interview Jcinda again than hear that

2089
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 3: awful voice, and that is saying a lot, Heather. Have

2090
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 3: a look at the Oasis video. It's very lackluster for

2091
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 3: the money they are asking for the teckers. I suppose

2092
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 3: that's a fair point, right. I mean, if you're just

2093
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 3: going down to the local band, paying fitty bark or

2094
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 3: whatever you have, fifty dollars sorry, speak English, Heather, it's

2095
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 3: paying fifty dollars to go to the local band. And

2096
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like he's on the album. You can

2097
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 3: kind of put up with it. But these guys are

2098
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 3: charging what's like seven hundred bucks fair enough nine a way.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro MicroB or just playing economics. It's all

2100
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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Dupless and my HR,

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Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME used toxip.

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Speaker 3: I just I've just read an email, and I said

2103
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Speaker 3: to producer Laura, I said, oh, what's this. Look the

2104
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Speaker 3: bosses email does. So we've got we've got a strategy meeting. Yeah,

2105
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 3: we've got a strategy meeting next week at two ten

2106
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 3: a week and ago. And she was like, yeah, go,

2107
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 3: you don't have to go. And I was like, oh no,

2108
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Speaker 3: I might come. I might come along to it. And

2109
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Speaker 3: then she was like, oh no, you're you're I'm filling

2110
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Speaker 3: in for Hosking next week, so I'm going to be

2111
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Speaker 3: doing jet lag hours. So she's like, oh, you can

2112
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Speaker 3: come cause you're not going to be working, and I

2113
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Speaker 3: was like no, actually no, I've got better things to do.

2114
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:35,839
Speaker 3: Suddenly I've got an appointment, don't you. I've got an appointment.

2115
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Speaker 3: I'm going to be working from home. Hey, listen, this

2116
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 3: is cool. If you're a trade, if you're a particularly

2117
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Speaker 3: if you're a carpenter, there is a job going in Antarctica.

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't sound like it's just one carpenter's job.

2119
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 3: It sounds like it's multiple carpenter's jobs. To go down

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Speaker 3: to the American base of the McMurdo station and do

2121
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 3: some work there starting January next year. The hourly rate

2122
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 3: is sixty four dollars an hour, and that's not bad,

2123
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 3: is it. And you have to work fifty four hours

2124
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Speaker 3: a week, but that's okay because literally there's no nighttime, like,

2125
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 3: it's complete day all the time. So you're just going

2126
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 3: to be wanting to work because you'd have so much energy,

2127
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 3: so much vitamin D and you have to work six

2128
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 3: out of the seven days. But you would be getting

2129
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 3: before tax and income of around about what Tori gets

2130
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 3: and still can't make the bills. You can't pay the

2131
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 3: bills on it, but you'll probably be able to about

2132
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 3: three thy five hundred bucks. And obviously they pay for

2133
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 3: your food and your accommodation and your flights and stuff

2134
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Speaker 3: like that. I tell you what, if I was a

2135
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Speaker 3: Kiwi carpenter and I didn't have a child, I'd go

2136
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Speaker 3: down to this because this is a once in a

2137
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Speaker 3: lifetime experience. Antarctica is so awesome. We over use the

2138
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 3: word awesome. It is awesome. When you get there, it's

2139
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:49,599
Speaker 3: just deadly quiet, like the most amazing still you will

2140
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:53,560
Speaker 3: ever experience. The air is so clear, so fresh, and

2141
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 3: because it still has you know, Scott'space and all those

2142
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 3: places like that, you can almost transper like it's almost

2143
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 3: like an old the way the world used to be

2144
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Speaker 3: before we started stuffing it up with you know, petrol

2145
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 3: fumes and noises and beeping lights and the whole you

2146
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 3: know everything. You can sort of imagine what it was

2147
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 3: like back in the day to be anywhere. It's remarkable.

2148
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 3: Take the you should be paying them sixty four dollars

2149
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Speaker 3: an hour to go down Andy.

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Speaker 22: Heah, because you're not going to the meeting next Monday,

2151
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Speaker 22: Does that mean I've got in now cancel our pre

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Speaker 22: meeting meetings meetings on top of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of which, actually, what about this? So then

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Speaker 3: Jason says to me the boss that we have to

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Speaker 3: have a meeting at quarter past nine on Wednesday this

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Speaker 3: week to talk about next week's work. So I'm having

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Speaker 3: a pre meeting before I do so you are having

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Speaker 3: a next week's I'm having a pre meeting. I am, actually, Laura,

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Speaker 3: I'm having a meeting this week about next week, but

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Speaker 3: not with you. I'm having it with Jason about next

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Speaker 3: week to tell me how to do a radio show.

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Speaker 22: That's Paul planning from us. We needed to schedule a

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Speaker 22: meeting last week anyway. Jimmy Barnes, he's shared a health update.

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Speaker 22: He's revealed he's back rehearsing with Cold Chisel after his

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Speaker 22: incident earlier this year. So just in time for the

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Speaker 22: fiftieth anniversary tours from around Australia and three shows in

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Speaker 22: New Zealand. So Cold Chisel to see yourself.

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Speaker 3: Which one have you got for us? I've got Casan

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, why'd you choose that one?

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Speaker 22: Because I know it?

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Speaker 3: Don't you know any other one?

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Speaker 20: No?

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Speaker 3: No, that's okay, there's okay. We've got a low bar

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Speaker 3: for Andy this week, and he's Andy's fresh with us,

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Speaker 3: He's not the other and he's like, we've got all

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Speaker 3: the boys in the office, and Andy's and all the

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Speaker 3: girls are. Laura's just makes it easy for people like

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Speaker 3: me to know who I'm talking to. So thank you Andy.

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Speaker 3: Number two good choice. I'm going to give it to you.

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Speaker 3: See you tomorrow. News Talks it'd be.

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