1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZEDB. 3 00:00:12,827 --> 00:00:15,067 Speaker 2: Grace week is Eligibility. Let's bring in one of our 4 00:00:15,147 --> 00:00:19,467 Speaker 2: absolute netball greats. World Champion, Commonwealth Games gold medalist, member 5 00:00:19,467 --> 00:00:21,827 Speaker 2: of the New Zealand Order of Merit for services to Nepple, 6 00:00:22,227 --> 00:00:24,747 Speaker 2: seventy nine cap, former Silver Fern And New Zealand captain 7 00:00:24,747 --> 00:00:28,707 Speaker 2: and since her retirement, hugely respected Skysport Netble commentator and 8 00:00:28,827 --> 00:00:33,867 Speaker 2: analyst and part of the new Inside Netball podcast available 9 00:00:33,907 --> 00:00:37,347 Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio. Adean Wilson, of course, Adean, thanks for joining us. 10 00:00:37,587 --> 00:00:41,307 Speaker 2: Let's start with your personal view. Should Nepble New Zealand 11 00:00:41,347 --> 00:00:43,947 Speaker 2: allow Grace Wiki to play for the Silver Ferns this year? 12 00:00:43,987 --> 00:00:47,187 Speaker 3: In your view, I would love to see her play 13 00:00:47,187 --> 00:00:50,067 Speaker 3: for the Silver Ferns. I think when you look at Grace, 14 00:00:50,587 --> 00:00:53,627 Speaker 3: she's a once in a generation player. There's no doubt 15 00:00:53,707 --> 00:00:56,267 Speaker 3: the sal Ferns can win without her, but if she's 16 00:00:56,307 --> 00:00:59,107 Speaker 3: on court, they've got a much better chance of winning. 17 00:00:59,147 --> 00:01:01,827 Speaker 3: She's an iring Van Dyke of my era. She is 18 00:01:01,867 --> 00:01:04,707 Speaker 3: someone special, but I do think you have to be 19 00:01:04,747 --> 00:01:07,627 Speaker 3: careful that you don't change Rawle Rus for just one 20 00:01:07,707 --> 00:01:09,707 Speaker 3: player and that's why you're going to look at that 21 00:01:09,827 --> 00:01:13,147 Speaker 3: wider eligibility chat and I think that's what New Zealand 22 00:01:13,187 --> 00:01:15,307 Speaker 3: is starting to do. They just need to do it 23 00:01:15,427 --> 00:01:17,587 Speaker 3: quickly because we need some decisions made. 24 00:01:17,707 --> 00:01:19,907 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. I think time is a little bit 25 00:01:19,907 --> 00:01:21,907 Speaker 2: of the essence here. The fair as we all know, 26 00:01:22,027 --> 00:01:24,547 Speaker 2: is that if they say yes to Grace that they 27 00:01:24,627 --> 00:01:29,107 Speaker 2: fear it'll cause a huge exodus of players overseas. Do 28 00:01:29,147 --> 00:01:30,547 Speaker 2: you think that's a valid concern. 29 00:01:32,227 --> 00:01:34,427 Speaker 3: I think it's a valid concern, But I think there's 30 00:01:34,467 --> 00:01:37,027 Speaker 3: a couple of ways, and you need to look wider 31 00:01:37,067 --> 00:01:40,547 Speaker 3: than just the here and now. I think, look, if 32 00:01:40,587 --> 00:01:43,587 Speaker 3: you're looking at what the criteria are now, and they're 33 00:01:43,587 --> 00:01:46,747 Speaker 3: worried about setting a precedent, again, she is a once 34 00:01:46,827 --> 00:01:49,947 Speaker 3: in a generation player, I think she's setting a pretty 35 00:01:50,027 --> 00:01:53,507 Speaker 3: high precedent if you're looking at the criteria for exceptional 36 00:01:53,587 --> 00:01:56,667 Speaker 3: talent and the like. So I think they shouldn't be 37 00:01:56,707 --> 00:02:00,427 Speaker 3: worried about that, President, But why not look wider? Why 38 00:02:00,467 --> 00:02:04,267 Speaker 3: not look wider that contractual model? Look what other sports 39 00:02:04,267 --> 00:02:08,027 Speaker 3: are doing. Cricket for example. You know you may choose 40 00:02:08,067 --> 00:02:09,867 Speaker 3: at the start of the season not to go on 41 00:02:09,947 --> 00:02:12,467 Speaker 3: to a Sauer third retainer and get paid across a 42 00:02:12,507 --> 00:02:15,147 Speaker 3: whole year. Do you change the models? You could be 43 00:02:15,307 --> 00:02:17,667 Speaker 3: like cricket and only come back and be on a 44 00:02:18,587 --> 00:02:21,507 Speaker 3: casual contract on match fees for two months of the year. 45 00:02:21,947 --> 00:02:24,947 Speaker 3: Then you're having these conversations. Right at the start, people 46 00:02:25,027 --> 00:02:29,027 Speaker 3: were making informed decisions about what competitions they may like 47 00:02:29,107 --> 00:02:33,307 Speaker 3: to play in, but knowing the consequences of making those decisions. 48 00:02:33,387 --> 00:02:38,067 Speaker 3: So first and foremost, change that contracting model. Have the conversations. 49 00:02:38,307 --> 00:02:40,787 Speaker 3: Look what other sports are doing and what we can 50 00:02:40,867 --> 00:02:41,507 Speaker 3: learn from them. 51 00:02:42,027 --> 00:02:43,787 Speaker 2: I know you've heard a chair of the board matt 52 00:02:44,307 --> 00:02:46,827 Speaker 2: on a earlier this hour. Do you have confidence that 53 00:02:46,827 --> 00:02:48,347 Speaker 2: they'll make a decision quickly on this? 54 00:02:50,107 --> 00:02:52,987 Speaker 3: I hope so. But again they're obviously having a lot 55 00:02:52,987 --> 00:02:56,507 Speaker 3: of conversations about a lot at the moment, Network New Zealand, 56 00:02:56,627 --> 00:02:59,187 Speaker 3: what next year you're going to look at? And again, 57 00:02:59,267 --> 00:03:01,787 Speaker 3: if you look at the wider context, this is an 58 00:03:01,827 --> 00:03:04,987 Speaker 3: amazing opportunity. In some ways, you turn, you know, a 59 00:03:05,067 --> 00:03:07,507 Speaker 3: moment that you know pretty tough on that we New 60 00:03:07,587 --> 00:03:11,747 Speaker 3: Zealand and do something wider. Change the timing of the competition. 61 00:03:12,467 --> 00:03:15,427 Speaker 3: Have the competition so you can play in New Zealand 62 00:03:15,747 --> 00:03:19,867 Speaker 3: and you can play in sun court line up these competitions, 63 00:03:20,027 --> 00:03:23,347 Speaker 3: so then this eligibility issue is not even an issue 64 00:03:23,387 --> 00:03:27,547 Speaker 3: to me. That's the most simplest way of solving all 65 00:03:27,587 --> 00:03:31,587 Speaker 3: of this. And then also allows these players to top 66 00:03:31,667 --> 00:03:34,347 Speaker 3: up their income. They're not getting paid a huge amount 67 00:03:34,387 --> 00:03:37,187 Speaker 3: of money to play in one of these competitions. Why 68 00:03:37,227 --> 00:03:40,067 Speaker 3: not be able to play a boat because their timing 69 00:03:40,107 --> 00:03:43,307 Speaker 3: lines up. We then might see players from Australia come 70 00:03:43,347 --> 00:03:46,587 Speaker 3: here and also want to play in our competition. So 71 00:03:46,707 --> 00:03:50,787 Speaker 3: you're then enhancing too. Again, look at other sports. What 72 00:03:50,827 --> 00:03:55,187 Speaker 3: are other sports doing? Cricket, rugby, there is basketball. You 73 00:03:55,267 --> 00:03:59,427 Speaker 3: can play in multiple competitions, not just one. I think 74 00:03:59,507 --> 00:04:02,667 Speaker 3: these are the wider conversations of love and I hope 75 00:04:02,707 --> 00:04:03,747 Speaker 3: that we New Zealand are having. 76 00:04:03,867 --> 00:04:05,587 Speaker 2: I love that, I love that one. I love that 77 00:04:05,627 --> 00:04:08,507 Speaker 2: you just push the back a little bit and line 78 00:04:08,547 --> 00:04:10,707 Speaker 2: them up. I love that you talked about Grace being 79 00:04:10,707 --> 00:04:14,267 Speaker 2: a generational player and she's you know, this generation's arene 80 00:04:14,307 --> 00:04:17,427 Speaker 2: Van Dyker? How much confidence did you have playing in 81 00:04:17,427 --> 00:04:19,987 Speaker 2: a team with Irenea? How much confidence will the current 82 00:04:20,027 --> 00:04:22,267 Speaker 2: team have playing in a team where Grace wikis in 83 00:04:22,307 --> 00:04:23,067 Speaker 2: the shooting circle. 84 00:04:23,947 --> 00:04:26,947 Speaker 3: Oh look, there are special people that you get to 85 00:04:26,987 --> 00:04:30,427 Speaker 3: play with, and Grace is one of them. There is 86 00:04:30,587 --> 00:04:33,707 Speaker 3: no doubt, especially in that winger tack position, if you 87 00:04:33,827 --> 00:04:36,467 Speaker 3: have an Iron Van Dyke a Grace Wiki that you 88 00:04:36,547 --> 00:04:39,827 Speaker 3: can turn off the center pass and have the option 89 00:04:39,987 --> 00:04:42,667 Speaker 3: of firing that ball in straight away. That is a 90 00:04:42,787 --> 00:04:45,747 Speaker 3: game changer. And what I love about Grace and this 91 00:04:45,867 --> 00:04:48,347 Speaker 3: is why I think Grace has been exceptionally brave to 92 00:04:48,427 --> 00:04:52,347 Speaker 3: go to Australia. She's she's gone there because she wants 93 00:04:52,387 --> 00:04:54,667 Speaker 3: to grow her game, so she wants to be better 94 00:04:54,667 --> 00:04:55,467 Speaker 3: for the Saward furn. 95 00:04:55,547 --> 00:04:56,347 Speaker 2: She is really. 96 00:04:56,187 --> 00:04:59,227 Speaker 3: Proud of that Saward furn and that's where I really 97 00:04:59,227 --> 00:05:01,707 Speaker 3: take my hat off to her. You know, can't have 98 00:05:01,787 --> 00:05:04,947 Speaker 3: been an easy decision, but she made it anyway, and 99 00:05:05,187 --> 00:05:07,587 Speaker 3: you know that's why I love to see her in 100 00:05:07,627 --> 00:05:10,747 Speaker 3: that black dress. But again, make it a wider conversation, 101 00:05:10,907 --> 00:05:14,027 Speaker 3: so it's not just about Grace. Make it while we're 102 00:05:14,027 --> 00:05:17,227 Speaker 3: having all these other conversations about what netball is going 103 00:05:17,307 --> 00:05:19,987 Speaker 3: to do in New Zealand right at this moment, and 104 00:05:20,067 --> 00:05:22,307 Speaker 3: make the change, because there's no doubt I want to 105 00:05:22,347 --> 00:05:25,987 Speaker 3: see her in that black dress. Come tiny, Jamison Adan. 106 00:05:25,747 --> 00:05:28,347 Speaker 2: You've had a great context to our discussion this afternoon, 107 00:05:28,387 --> 00:05:30,267 Speaker 2: just before you go. The U, A and Z Premiership 108 00:05:30,307 --> 00:05:33,107 Speaker 2: seasons underway this afternoon in PALMEI do you think my 109 00:05:33,227 --> 00:05:36,067 Speaker 2: Central Pulse are the favorites not just for today but 110 00:05:36,067 --> 00:05:38,347 Speaker 2: for the whole thing? I love? 111 00:05:38,747 --> 00:05:41,147 Speaker 3: Do you know what? I love the Central Poles. I 112 00:05:41,147 --> 00:05:44,067 Speaker 3: think they've got a brilliant team, but they've got so 113 00:05:44,187 --> 00:05:47,467 Speaker 3: many injuries right at the moment, and so I actually 114 00:05:48,027 --> 00:05:51,907 Speaker 3: my pick this week was actually the Magic but mostly 115 00:05:51,947 --> 00:05:54,707 Speaker 3: because of those injuries. But I'm very excited about seeing 116 00:05:54,707 --> 00:05:58,347 Speaker 3: Gabby Simpson. That's cool again in Australian coming to New Zealand, 117 00:05:58,627 --> 00:06:01,067 Speaker 3: adding something different. So I think it will be a 118 00:06:01,187 --> 00:06:02,067 Speaker 3: very very good game. 119 00:06:02,707 --> 00:06:04,787 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. Adan, thanks for taking the 120 00:06:04,827 --> 00:06:06,347 Speaker 2: time for a channel on hear this after time. 121 00:06:06,747 --> 00:06:07,467 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 122 00:06:07,627 --> 00:06:09,627 Speaker 2: That's a Dane Wilson on News Talks EDB. 123 00:06:10,107 --> 00:06:13,307 Speaker 1: For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live 124 00:06:13,427 --> 00:06:16,827 Speaker 1: to News Talks EDB Weekends from midday or follow the 125 00:06:16,867 --> 00:06:18,347 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.