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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Edb Rebikeener has shed her tag as a one Slam wonder,

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Speaker 2: upstaging two time champion Arena Sablenka in a high octane

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Speaker 2: Australian Open Women's final last night.

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Speaker 3: Championship point for Alanna Rebuccaner.

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Speaker 2: Sales are with it a Alena Rebucconer the Australian Open

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Speaker 2: chat here all six six four. He had the big

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Speaker 2: serving Kazakh fifth seed for back from three love down

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Speaker 2: in the deciding set to win six four four six

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Speaker 2: sixty four in two hours and eighteen minutes, A bit

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Speaker 2: a payback for her after Sabolenka beat her in the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Australian Open final. Dave Worsley watched on

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Speaker 2: at Rod Laver Arena and joins us now from Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: Tell us a story of this final, Dave Well, I guess.

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Speaker 3: The story is in your summary there that from a

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Speaker 3: love three down, my Baconer really was able to come

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Speaker 3: back in the sense that she kept herself strong because

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Speaker 3: most other people, again Sabolanka, would struggle to hold their nerves.

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Speaker 3: Most people would actually go, oh you know, she's just

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Speaker 3: too strong mentally and physically. Rebaccana. You don't see too

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Speaker 3: much emotion from her, but she's just a quiet achiever

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Speaker 3: in that sense with that big, powerful serf, and I,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't mind saying that I was a

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Speaker 3: little surprised that she did actually come back because most

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Speaker 3: people just get overpowered mentally and physically by Sabolanka. So

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Speaker 3: the strength that got shown through from the cauthark was her. Well,

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Speaker 3: that was what actually won of the match.

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Speaker 2: And just on Sebolenka. Then you know, once she was

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Speaker 2: three love up, you feel you must be able. I

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Speaker 2: have never been in the situation, but you must feel

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Speaker 2: as though, hey, it's there for me on three love up,

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Speaker 2: I'm up a break in the deciding set when she

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Speaker 2: What would that have done to her mentality? Were you

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Speaker 2: able to pick anything up in that regard?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a little bit hard to tell with sebilenecause

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Speaker 3: because she's been relatively well not relatively, she has been

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Speaker 3: How dare I even think that way, or you even

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Speaker 3: I am going to win. And it's almost like Serena

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Speaker 3: Williams I had for a long time. I don't lose.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to lose to you forget that. But

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Speaker 3: you came up. She came up against someone who is

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Speaker 3: telful in the sense that I think Rabakana was never

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Speaker 3: to be the issue, if anything, rather than your bigger,

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Speaker 3: and it was a little bit of a well, it's

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Speaker 3: you know, just for a moment of many of the

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Speaker 3: that she did go down early, But I think she

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Speaker 3: she needed that. You know, you can be down in

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Speaker 2: More than how much confidence, how much resilience, how much

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Speaker 2: how much positivity would would Rye Bakan I have got

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Speaker 2: from beating the second seed Fonceech and straight seats in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm you must feel the strength of beating IGAs Fiontech.

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Speaker 3: But I mean we've got to realize Thatonceek had never

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Speaker 3: It's a really curious case because she just shows nothing,

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Speaker 3: the WTA for well, yeah, it's an interesting case. He

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Speaker 3: I'm sure the WTA was really gripping their teeth on

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Speaker 3: that one. But hey, he managed to coach his player

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Speaker 3: to the actual title. But I think beating Egos Fiontek

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Speaker 2: Rebeccaha won Wimbledon in twenty twenty two, maybe the the

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Speaker 2: in the time since until last night. Now that she's

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Speaker 2: won a second major, Dave, could she and should she

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Speaker 3: The opportunity is there. I mean, she doesn't probably feel

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Speaker 3: I think she's better on hard court and grass, particularly

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Speaker 3: as egosiontech is better on the clay. Also Seberlenka, she's

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Speaker 3: the big service the weapon for Rabakna, and it is

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Speaker 2: And just on sableinca clearly a brilliant, brilliant player. But

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Speaker 2: I know I'm splitting. Here's here, Dave. But she's only

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Speaker 2: won one of her last four Grand Slam finals, runner

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Speaker 2: up two years in a row now at the Aussie Open,

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Speaker 2: beaten in the French Open final last year by Coco Golf.

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Speaker 2: Any concern that she is making finals for not winning

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Speaker 3: Well, this is where you get with top athletes, and

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Speaker 3: we're talking about the top athletes the little bit of

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Speaker 3: And when she comes to finals, we've seen it with Zverev, well,

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Speaker 3: In fact, she knows she can win. However, it's just

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Speaker 2: Where was the weight of support last night? Who were

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Speaker 3: Initially, I think it was a bit of a fifty

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Speaker 3: always like the should we put it, the aggressiveness of Sablenka.

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Speaker 3: She's got all these quirky sort of things that she

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Speaker 3: so I don't know. I feel sometimes she can be

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the Means final tonight. Carlos el Karez

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Speaker 2: ever to complete a career slam against Novak Djokovic, who

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Speaker 2: is looking for his eleventh Australian Open title in his

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Speaker 2: eleventh final. It would be his twenty fifth major win.

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Speaker 2: El Karez's favorite, isn't.

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Speaker 3: He decided that he was dictating terms full stop.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 3: I am the person, I am number one, I am

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Speaker 3: on that, like you guys said that I've been chasing

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Speaker 3: Sinner and al Carez, they're chanting me.

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Speaker 2: Love that el Carez. There was a lot of controversy

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Speaker 2: regards to the medical timeout that he took when it

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Speaker 2: just appeared as though he had cramp. Has there been

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting one because I mean, how do you

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Speaker 2: Well, you've knowed about my football team, if that's any

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Speaker 2: Yeah, an intriguing funnel to finish a very interesting couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks. Dave, thanks for joining us, mateve enjoyed your

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Speaker 3: No worries, fines. Thank you all the.

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Speaker 2: Best, mate, Dave Worsley at his fiftieth, his fiftieth major

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Speaker 2: tournament and well, a depth of knowledge that we greatly

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Speaker 2: appreciate here on News Talk, said b so Alcaraz and

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Speaker 2: Alcarz is paying at our tab a dollar thirty three

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Speaker 2: say Alcarez is a firm favorite. In terms of sets betting,

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Speaker 2: The favored way is Alcarez to win it in straight

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Speaker 2: paid out nine dollars on that. So Ossie Open Final

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Speaker 2: Men's Final Carlos el Karez Novak Djokovic tonight, looking forward

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Speaker 2: to seeing how that plays out, and another night of

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