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Speaker 1: As the human tragedy at Mount Monganui continues, the timeline

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Speaker 1: around warnings and what authorities knew and when they knew

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Speaker 1: it was becoming a little bit clearer. So Fire and

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Speaker 1: Emergency FENS has confirmed that it received a one on

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Speaker 1: one call about landslides on the mount just before six

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Speaker 1: o'clock on Thursday morning. Now, as you would expect, FENS

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Speaker 1: has a robust record keeping system which records that call

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Speaker 1: as being at five forty eight am. The slips at

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Speaker 1: that time, though didn't impact life or property, and so

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Speaker 1: three minutes later, at nine minutes to six, FENS says

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Speaker 1: it notified Todung's Council as the landowner responsible. And here's

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Speaker 1: where it gets a little bit tricky. So todung A

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Speaker 1: City Council CEO initially said that the council didn't have

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Speaker 1: a record of the call at the council's end. Then

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Speaker 1: he was corrected. The council did actually receive that call.

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Speaker 1: But given all of the staff who were working in

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Speaker 1: the various calls they were receiving as they responded to

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Speaker 1: weather problems across the city in the region that morning,

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Speaker 1: it is going to take a bit of time and

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Speaker 1: the Independent review to work out the timeline at the

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Speaker 1: council's end. Personally, I had no idea until this week

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Speaker 1: that landslides kill more people in New Zealand than any

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Speaker 1: other natural disaster. But as the changing climate makes these

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Speaker 1: burg big weather events and storms much more common, the

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Speaker 1: question of liability is going to become more precient than ever.

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Speaker 1: In addition to responding to the myriad problems that extreme

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Speaker 1: weather might cause. In addition to modeling for flooding and

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Speaker 1: high winds, councils and land owners need to have a

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Speaker 1: system for assessing landslide risk in different areas and responding

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Speaker 1: in real times as conditions dictate. And one of the

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Speaker 1: critical questions in the independent review will be weather. Receiving

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Speaker 1: that call from Fens about a slip on the mount

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Speaker 1: would have been enough for the council to actually evacuate

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Speaker 1: the campground. Did they have an adequate real time extreme

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Speaker 1: weather risk management system? Should staff have had to wait

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Speaker 1: for a landslip to be reported, or should heavy rain

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Speaker 1: have been enough to get people out? The question of

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Speaker 1: liability looms over everything in this tragedy, and it is

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Speaker 1: my hunch that many councils and land owners around the

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Speaker 1: country will be looking at the terrible events in Mount

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Speaker 1: Monganuy and realizing that actually their own systems for assessing

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Speaker 1: real time landslide risk are woefully inadequate. Totung A Council

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Speaker 1: hopes to have the terms of reference and more detail

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Speaker 1: about the independent inquiry confirmed later this week. But just

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Speaker 1: as Pike River was a catalyst for huge health and

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Speaker 1: safety law reforms, the Mount Mongonui disaster is fast shaping

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Speaker 1: up as a watershed moment for property owners and councils

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Speaker 1: when it comes to liability around the country. For more

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