1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:18,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:19,133 --> 00:00:20,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, take it on the pad. 4 00:00:20,573 --> 00:00:22,533 Speaker 3: Now it's your answer. 5 00:00:23,213 --> 00:00:23,813 Speaker 4: It is out. 6 00:00:24,093 --> 00:00:24,933 Speaker 5: The test is over. 7 00:00:27,173 --> 00:00:29,653 Speaker 3: Goodness smoke, oh wow, follow us a beauty. It is 8 00:00:29,693 --> 00:00:31,493 Speaker 3: out and here he goes. 9 00:00:31,573 --> 00:00:33,533 Speaker 6: This delivery has in user. 10 00:00:33,413 --> 00:00:39,653 Speaker 1: Revolved on the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney, 11 00:00:39,973 --> 00:00:44,773 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks. 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As ever, and the socials, I 21 00:01:19,773 --> 00:01:23,453 Speaker 5: guess would have been setting fire to the internet across 22 00:01:23,493 --> 00:01:28,333 Speaker 5: the Tasman going to make Jerry Jim Maxwell, ABC commentator 23 00:01:28,373 --> 00:01:34,093 Speaker 5: who Bleeds Screen and Keratana Yellow had this to say, 24 00:01:34,133 --> 00:01:37,693 Speaker 5: what are shambles? They did lose three out of three 25 00:01:37,733 --> 00:01:41,373 Speaker 5: against Pakistan, So what do you expect from an out 26 00:01:41,373 --> 00:01:48,653 Speaker 5: of form, wounded, disabled, understrength, overplayed lesser team. Why does 27 00:01:48,773 --> 00:01:49,653 Speaker 5: he say what he means? 28 00:01:51,693 --> 00:01:53,813 Speaker 7: Well, that's Jim, isn't it. I mean he likes to 29 00:01:54,013 --> 00:01:58,253 Speaker 7: he doesn't hold back. I've noticed on a number of 30 00:01:58,293 --> 00:02:01,253 Speaker 7: issues and that's obviously the one that's close to his 31 00:02:01,333 --> 00:02:04,373 Speaker 7: heart at the moment. It's quite unusual to see them 32 00:02:04,413 --> 00:02:07,973 Speaker 7: not making well is it? Did they not make? I 33 00:02:08,013 --> 00:02:10,813 Speaker 7: mean they didn't make some other ones in the tea twenties. 34 00:02:11,173 --> 00:02:13,733 Speaker 7: I mean Australia have missed out before and. 35 00:02:13,693 --> 00:02:16,453 Speaker 5: They've been beaten by Zimbabwe twice two from two of 36 00:02:16,533 --> 00:02:22,653 Speaker 5: the T twenty competition. Peter Hollen very happily dressed in 37 00:02:23,613 --> 00:02:28,773 Speaker 5: we'll call it gold, obviously in sympathy with our brothers 38 00:02:28,773 --> 00:02:30,053 Speaker 5: across the Tasman. 39 00:02:32,693 --> 00:02:36,253 Speaker 8: Despite the fact that they are definitely undermanned as it 40 00:02:36,293 --> 00:02:40,213 Speaker 8: were a missing a number of players. But we did 41 00:02:40,293 --> 00:02:46,613 Speaker 8: raise it in last week's podcast, Absent Smith, who can't 42 00:02:46,693 --> 00:02:49,493 Speaker 8: help but think and he may not be my most 43 00:02:49,493 --> 00:02:53,533 Speaker 8: favorite player, but my god, can he play. But you 44 00:02:53,613 --> 00:02:56,053 Speaker 8: can't but think that in those conditions back when they 45 00:02:56,093 --> 00:03:00,373 Speaker 8: were playing Zimbabwe, I don't think they'd have lost that game. Look, 46 00:03:00,453 --> 00:03:04,053 Speaker 8: this is all great twenty twenty hindsight, but the fact 47 00:03:04,053 --> 00:03:07,013 Speaker 8: that he wasn't there and I can understand why why 48 00:03:07,053 --> 00:03:08,933 Speaker 8: they thought they had enough there be because they had 49 00:03:09,453 --> 00:03:13,333 Speaker 8: They've got considerable depth. But if they're not in form 50 00:03:13,493 --> 00:03:16,653 Speaker 8: the well clear they haven't because they're not in there. 51 00:03:16,933 --> 00:03:21,213 Speaker 8: They no good point. I think they missed marsh very much. 52 00:03:23,293 --> 00:03:25,213 Speaker 3: Oh yes, they did at the start. 53 00:03:25,893 --> 00:03:30,493 Speaker 8: Very very much missed him. And you take that sort 54 00:03:30,493 --> 00:03:33,013 Speaker 8: of stability out out of a side and then it's 55 00:03:33,013 --> 00:03:36,453 Speaker 8: sort of being run by Maxwell who was a freakish talent. 56 00:03:36,973 --> 00:03:39,933 Speaker 8: Stoin Us on their day are fine, but you wouldn't 57 00:03:39,973 --> 00:03:43,813 Speaker 8: say you can lock it down. And they all, like 58 00:03:43,893 --> 00:03:46,213 Speaker 8: Smith would Travis Head can win a game for you, 59 00:03:46,333 --> 00:03:50,333 Speaker 8: but really didn't buy it. So they all the stuff 60 00:03:50,333 --> 00:03:51,773 Speaker 8: that they had got to win it, and my god, 61 00:03:51,773 --> 00:03:53,893 Speaker 8: they should have got through the pool. I mean that 62 00:03:54,013 --> 00:03:57,253 Speaker 8: is just yeah, but that's the nature of twenty twenty cricket. 63 00:03:57,293 --> 00:04:01,213 Speaker 8: And then Zimbabwe I think, well, hey, they're going to 64 00:04:01,253 --> 00:04:02,813 Speaker 8: go through wonderful. 65 00:04:02,813 --> 00:04:07,213 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's through yah and Smith has actually been added 66 00:04:07,213 --> 00:04:10,853 Speaker 5: to the squad. Their replacement for Hazelwood. So I guess 67 00:04:10,893 --> 00:04:12,133 Speaker 5: he's going to go off his long run. 68 00:04:12,413 --> 00:04:16,173 Speaker 7: Yeah, he'll be nipping it back, and I mean he 69 00:04:16,253 --> 00:04:20,173 Speaker 7: would certainly. I mean Australia seem to load themselves with 70 00:04:20,253 --> 00:04:23,093 Speaker 7: these kind of one dimensional twenty players. You know, the 71 00:04:23,133 --> 00:04:25,493 Speaker 7: hard hit is the power hitters, they call them, don't they, 72 00:04:26,053 --> 00:04:29,653 Speaker 7: you know, Tim David, those sorts of players, and that 73 00:04:29,773 --> 00:04:32,973 Speaker 7: may have worked in India and in Chennai that we've 74 00:04:32,973 --> 00:04:37,293 Speaker 7: been watching a bit and Indian other Indian venues where 75 00:04:37,293 --> 00:04:40,053 Speaker 7: the pictures haven't done a lot. The Sri Lanka is 76 00:04:40,093 --> 00:04:43,133 Speaker 7: a bit different, you know, especially the two Colombo venues, 77 00:04:43,853 --> 00:04:47,893 Speaker 7: that it's harder to hit through lenks. You can't really, 78 00:04:48,013 --> 00:04:53,013 Speaker 7: I mean more batsmanship is required sometimes on those surfaces 79 00:04:53,053 --> 00:04:56,653 Speaker 7: and planting your foot and hitting through the line is 80 00:04:56,733 --> 00:05:00,653 Speaker 7: no longer possible. And so that's where they've gotten a 81 00:05:00,653 --> 00:05:03,093 Speaker 7: bit of trouble with their batting. Their top order has 82 00:05:03,173 --> 00:05:07,413 Speaker 7: failed with English and Head, and then you've they tried 83 00:05:07,413 --> 00:05:11,413 Speaker 7: to manufacture Green into a number three and then number four. 84 00:05:11,453 --> 00:05:15,133 Speaker 7: They've tried Tim David and they've all basically not quite 85 00:05:15,173 --> 00:05:18,133 Speaker 7: done the job, and so it's been left to others 86 00:05:18,173 --> 00:05:21,373 Speaker 7: to you know, the guys like Renshaw, who they haven't 87 00:05:21,373 --> 00:05:25,653 Speaker 7: played that much cone to try and pick up the 88 00:05:25,693 --> 00:05:29,533 Speaker 7: pieces and it just seemed to me that was one 89 00:05:29,533 --> 00:05:32,293 Speaker 7: of their issues. The other one is they're not taking wickets. 90 00:05:32,853 --> 00:05:36,253 Speaker 7: They're a bit like New Zealand in that sense. Two 91 00:05:36,333 --> 00:05:42,413 Speaker 7: wickets against Zimbabwe Brian Bennett Opener anchored the whole innings. 92 00:05:42,453 --> 00:05:45,493 Speaker 7: He was not out at the end and you know 93 00:05:45,653 --> 00:05:50,933 Speaker 7: he had little sort of flyers around him. Burl got 94 00:05:50,973 --> 00:05:53,653 Speaker 7: a few, Secundaraza got a few, the other guy as 95 00:05:53,693 --> 00:05:57,693 Speaker 7: well at the top getting twenties and thirties and they 96 00:05:57,733 --> 00:05:59,493 Speaker 7: only got to one hundred and sixty nine. But it 97 00:05:59,533 --> 00:06:03,733 Speaker 7: was enough, you know, because then the bowler is it 98 00:06:04,253 --> 00:06:09,173 Speaker 7: Mazrabarni or something, he just the big tall guy from Barbwe. 99 00:06:09,733 --> 00:06:13,813 Speaker 7: He got about three two or three early wickets. And 100 00:06:13,893 --> 00:06:16,053 Speaker 7: also the other guy too, I mean he got a 101 00:06:16,053 --> 00:06:19,253 Speaker 7: couple as well. So but then Sri Lanka, I mean 102 00:06:19,293 --> 00:06:24,173 Speaker 7: they really put them to the store, didn't they. For 103 00:06:24,253 --> 00:06:27,373 Speaker 7: a quarter of the game of Australia, a quarter of 104 00:06:27,413 --> 00:06:29,213 Speaker 7: the game, they were looking like they were going to 105 00:06:29,293 --> 00:06:32,973 Speaker 7: get in, you know, an excess of two hundreds. But 106 00:06:33,013 --> 00:06:36,733 Speaker 7: then as soon as marsh and Head that were dismissed. 107 00:06:37,173 --> 00:06:41,733 Speaker 7: They lost wickets immediately, so that's been an issue that 108 00:06:41,773 --> 00:06:44,813 Speaker 7: the batting has been an issue, and also the Hazelwood injury. 109 00:06:45,093 --> 00:06:47,733 Speaker 7: I mean he gets wickets in the powerplay. That's when 110 00:06:47,733 --> 00:06:51,253 Speaker 7: you want wickets. You put teams behind yourself in a tea, 111 00:06:51,453 --> 00:06:54,613 Speaker 7: you know, behind in a T Twentydaus just wasn't picked. 112 00:06:55,413 --> 00:06:58,413 Speaker 7: He's another one who's got a few wickets. So they 113 00:06:58,453 --> 00:07:02,293 Speaker 7: were exposed I think in powerplay bowling. Remember Conway and 114 00:07:02,373 --> 00:07:05,693 Speaker 7: Finellen did it to them in twenty twenty two. Remember 115 00:07:05,733 --> 00:07:09,493 Speaker 7: over there in Assi Berbars and Ibrahim did it to 116 00:07:09,533 --> 00:07:11,573 Speaker 7: them as well. Rot Sharma did it to them in 117 00:07:11,613 --> 00:07:15,213 Speaker 7: twenty twenty four. So and I think Stark was dropped 118 00:07:15,253 --> 00:07:15,733 Speaker 7: after that. 119 00:07:15,973 --> 00:07:16,413 Speaker 3: I would have. 120 00:07:16,413 --> 00:07:19,653 Speaker 7: Thought one of the point you have mentioned moose Smith 121 00:07:19,653 --> 00:07:22,453 Speaker 7: would have made a difference because he would have he 122 00:07:22,453 --> 00:07:25,973 Speaker 7: would have seen the conditions on the day from the surface, 123 00:07:26,053 --> 00:07:29,093 Speaker 7: he would have seen the game situation, and he would 124 00:07:29,133 --> 00:07:33,293 Speaker 7: have made himself appropriate to those two things. These are 125 00:07:33,333 --> 00:07:36,013 Speaker 7: the shots I can play, these are the bats, these 126 00:07:36,093 --> 00:07:39,133 Speaker 7: are the bowlers I'll attack. And Rensure, I think is 127 00:07:39,173 --> 00:07:42,773 Speaker 7: the other one. So there's been some selection issues as well. 128 00:07:42,813 --> 00:07:46,733 Speaker 7: So power hitting, power no power play bowling, and I 129 00:07:46,773 --> 00:07:48,493 Speaker 7: think also selection issues. 130 00:07:48,933 --> 00:07:51,973 Speaker 8: Yeah, on the on the Wrenshoal point, he's an interesting 131 00:07:52,013 --> 00:07:55,693 Speaker 8: one because he's been informant pretty much all of the 132 00:07:55,813 --> 00:07:58,853 Speaker 8: versions of cricket in Australia and was the one who 133 00:07:58,893 --> 00:08:01,573 Speaker 8: looked half decent and it would look like getting them 134 00:08:01,573 --> 00:08:05,853 Speaker 8: through against him by way, But they don't seem to 135 00:08:05,893 --> 00:08:08,053 Speaker 8: know what to do with them. But he's looked, he's 136 00:08:08,053 --> 00:08:10,973 Speaker 8: looked one of their better players, but they seem reluctant 137 00:08:10,973 --> 00:08:14,013 Speaker 8: to sort of stay and stick with them, whereas Green, 138 00:08:14,573 --> 00:08:16,933 Speaker 8: who I hope does well but just can't seem to 139 00:08:16,933 --> 00:08:19,293 Speaker 8: get it together these days. So they've they've had out 140 00:08:19,293 --> 00:08:24,813 Speaker 8: of form, They've they've lost really critical players such as Hazwold. 141 00:08:24,813 --> 00:08:27,333 Speaker 8: Does you point out Jerry and then and then they 142 00:08:27,333 --> 00:08:29,693 Speaker 8: didn't peck people who would have got them through it. 143 00:08:29,733 --> 00:08:33,133 Speaker 8: And I agree with you absolutely. Playing in Sri Lanka 144 00:08:33,533 --> 00:08:39,333 Speaker 8: is a very different proposition that it is playing in 145 00:08:39,413 --> 00:08:42,693 Speaker 8: some of the better, shall we say, conditions of India 146 00:08:42,733 --> 00:08:45,453 Speaker 8: that seem to be apparent to me anyway, And you'd 147 00:08:45,493 --> 00:08:47,693 Speaker 8: know that's far better than I would. But I think 148 00:08:48,293 --> 00:08:50,093 Speaker 8: you know, if the bulk of their games are going 149 00:08:50,093 --> 00:08:51,853 Speaker 8: to be in strie lanked. Surely you were taking that 150 00:08:51,933 --> 00:08:57,093 Speaker 8: into a point because Benners is the slower decks. It's 151 00:08:57,133 --> 00:09:00,213 Speaker 8: it's the ability that actually to adjust your play was key, 152 00:09:00,333 --> 00:09:03,813 Speaker 8: rather than just as you say, those ones who just 153 00:09:03,853 --> 00:09:06,333 Speaker 8: to go go out and go hard and smash it. 154 00:09:06,813 --> 00:09:09,973 Speaker 8: That ain't going that's not gonna work in and so 155 00:09:10,093 --> 00:09:11,053 Speaker 8: it's proven. 156 00:09:10,933 --> 00:09:12,453 Speaker 3: To be there, not all the time. 157 00:09:12,493 --> 00:09:15,813 Speaker 7: Anyway, I think that team would go quite well if 158 00:09:15,853 --> 00:09:17,813 Speaker 7: you put them in England, if you put them in 159 00:09:17,853 --> 00:09:21,253 Speaker 7: New Zealand, if you put them in Australia, and maybe 160 00:09:21,293 --> 00:09:24,093 Speaker 7: even South Africa, maybe even slightly to a lesser extent, 161 00:09:24,173 --> 00:09:27,053 Speaker 7: but places where the ball is quick and where it's 162 00:09:27,093 --> 00:09:30,973 Speaker 7: more bounce, which is not like Sri Lanka, you know 163 00:09:31,653 --> 00:09:35,973 Speaker 7: the pictures there are slightly more crumbly, there's more gaps 164 00:09:36,013 --> 00:09:38,293 Speaker 7: and so water gets into them. So therefore they're a 165 00:09:38,333 --> 00:09:41,653 Speaker 7: little bit more slow and they and then they start 166 00:09:41,693 --> 00:09:44,533 Speaker 7: to grip a little bit as well. So I just 167 00:09:44,533 --> 00:09:47,573 Speaker 7: think just a few little errors. They also didn't they 168 00:09:47,653 --> 00:09:52,813 Speaker 7: prioritize the BBL finals ahead of a few sort of 169 00:09:52,853 --> 00:09:55,973 Speaker 7: build up warm up games, which has certainly helped New Zealand. 170 00:09:56,733 --> 00:10:00,053 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Ozzies can get their passports out now give 171 00:10:00,053 --> 00:10:03,053 Speaker 5: them to the manager. They can go to the departure. 172 00:10:03,133 --> 00:10:07,133 Speaker 5: Loungs bang, thank you for coming, go home and enjoy 173 00:10:07,213 --> 00:10:10,893 Speaker 5: coming outside. I had the top eight at the Tea 174 00:10:10,893 --> 00:10:14,333 Speaker 5: Tritty World Cup. Speaking of Sri Lanka, the black Caps 175 00:10:14,333 --> 00:10:16,613 Speaker 5: are going to be playing there. I think they've had 176 00:10:16,613 --> 00:10:19,773 Speaker 5: a pretty good warm up. They've finished where we predicted. 177 00:10:20,773 --> 00:10:23,453 Speaker 5: They lost to the South Africans. Have they got the 178 00:10:23,493 --> 00:10:28,493 Speaker 5: confidence to make it to the last four. It's going 179 00:10:28,533 --> 00:10:32,213 Speaker 5: to be tough, but you know, a good positive win 180 00:10:32,893 --> 00:10:38,013 Speaker 5: over the Canadians. The batting was strong. Good to see 181 00:10:38,093 --> 00:10:43,533 Speaker 5: Ravendra Beck Phillips is dynamic. But I still have reservations 182 00:10:43,653 --> 00:10:46,373 Speaker 5: about our bowling attack. As you said earlier, Jerry. 183 00:10:46,933 --> 00:10:49,893 Speaker 7: Yeah, the best part of the night for me was 184 00:10:49,933 --> 00:10:55,493 Speaker 7: watching Revendra start his innings, not flicking, not looking to 185 00:10:55,653 --> 00:11:01,013 Speaker 7: sunk from ball one. You know, if Allen or Cipher 186 00:11:01,053 --> 00:11:02,853 Speaker 7: there going to obviously one of those two will be 187 00:11:02,933 --> 00:11:05,333 Speaker 7: there when he goes in. You need to have a 188 00:11:05,373 --> 00:11:08,093 Speaker 7: thoughtful player. You need to have someone like the smith 189 00:11:08,093 --> 00:11:11,293 Speaker 7: Witch talking about don't you yes, be aggressive when required 190 00:11:12,333 --> 00:11:15,493 Speaker 7: because you can't sit back for too long. But there 191 00:11:15,573 --> 00:11:18,533 Speaker 7: is time to spend say eight balls, getting to ten 192 00:11:18,653 --> 00:11:22,813 Speaker 7: or twelve, isn't there. I just feel Ratchen has been 193 00:11:22,853 --> 00:11:26,533 Speaker 7: a little bit hyper throughout the matches and in Sri 194 00:11:26,613 --> 00:11:29,373 Speaker 7: Lanka where batsmanship is going to be needed, and particularly 195 00:11:29,453 --> 00:11:34,053 Speaker 7: in Colombo. Palakelli, which is near Candy looks a little 196 00:11:34,133 --> 00:11:34,893 Speaker 7: better surface. 197 00:11:36,293 --> 00:11:37,453 Speaker 3: But I do agree with you. 198 00:11:37,533 --> 00:11:39,693 Speaker 7: I think the bowling is for New Zealand is a 199 00:11:39,693 --> 00:11:40,613 Speaker 7: bit of a concern. 200 00:11:41,373 --> 00:11:41,613 Speaker 3: Now. 201 00:11:41,653 --> 00:11:45,493 Speaker 7: I know the two better bowlers, Santna whose sides actually, 202 00:11:45,493 --> 00:11:49,253 Speaker 7: it seems to me, have milked a lot more. He's 203 00:11:49,293 --> 00:11:51,653 Speaker 7: only got one wicket in the twelve overs he's bowled 204 00:11:51,693 --> 00:11:55,613 Speaker 7: and three overs and three matches and Ferguson. 205 00:11:55,373 --> 00:11:57,533 Speaker 3: Four wickets, our highest wicket taker. 206 00:11:57,573 --> 00:12:00,373 Speaker 7: I think at the moment maybe he's only played three 207 00:12:00,413 --> 00:12:02,773 Speaker 7: matches now, but at least he's one with a bit 208 00:12:02,813 --> 00:12:05,133 Speaker 7: of pace and he's got that slower leg roller that 209 00:12:05,213 --> 00:12:07,773 Speaker 7: comes out, and he can also bowl around the wicket 210 00:12:07,773 --> 00:12:08,093 Speaker 7: a bit more. 211 00:12:08,413 --> 00:12:09,733 Speaker 3: Seen him do that much before. 212 00:12:10,333 --> 00:12:12,973 Speaker 7: So the New Zealand attack, while it was diminished to 213 00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:17,933 Speaker 7: have Nichum bowling in the power play, says we aren't 214 00:12:17,933 --> 00:12:21,333 Speaker 7: the strong A strong side, I'd have to say with 215 00:12:21,413 --> 00:12:25,133 Speaker 7: the ball and you know we've all arrested the bowlers. 216 00:12:25,133 --> 00:12:27,613 Speaker 7: I don't know what you guys think, but Duffy Henry 217 00:12:27,733 --> 00:12:33,253 Speaker 7: Jamison are all about one thirty to one thirty six perhaps, 218 00:12:33,693 --> 00:12:37,093 Speaker 7: and it gets too similar, you know. And then we 219 00:12:37,133 --> 00:12:40,413 Speaker 7: had Phillips and McConkie. So really it wasn't a strong 220 00:12:40,413 --> 00:12:43,813 Speaker 7: attack I thought for a Canadian side. While the joapner 221 00:12:44,213 --> 00:12:47,613 Speaker 7: Samra was got you know, he batted well, batter hit 222 00:12:47,653 --> 00:12:51,013 Speaker 7: the ball cleanly, always went to the leg side to 223 00:12:51,093 --> 00:12:54,973 Speaker 7: open up the off. We need to be better than 224 00:12:54,973 --> 00:12:58,133 Speaker 7: that because we will get at some point, guys. It 225 00:12:58,213 --> 00:13:01,093 Speaker 7: already has happened, hasn't it against South Africa. We'll get hammered. 226 00:13:01,493 --> 00:13:05,373 Speaker 7: We'll get hammered. How we've done that, how we have 227 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:09,533 Speaker 7: actually got there. We've had good little periods of overs, 228 00:13:09,573 --> 00:13:11,933 Speaker 7: two or three of them here, and another one there 229 00:13:11,973 --> 00:13:14,933 Speaker 7: and another two there, and it's kept the score down 230 00:13:15,013 --> 00:13:18,213 Speaker 7: under two hundred. I don't know how you feel about that, 231 00:13:18,333 --> 00:13:22,333 Speaker 7: but I think we simply just don't take wickets. We 232 00:13:22,373 --> 00:13:26,493 Speaker 7: wait for people to get themselves out. We could have 233 00:13:26,533 --> 00:13:30,533 Speaker 7: taken forty potential wickets in four games. We've taken less 234 00:13:30,533 --> 00:13:35,413 Speaker 7: than half seventeen. We don't get wickets in the power play. 235 00:13:35,413 --> 00:13:38,413 Speaker 7: We've had four in the powerplay so won a match 236 00:13:39,493 --> 00:13:42,693 Speaker 7: overs seven to twelve. We've taken three wickets over the 237 00:13:42,773 --> 00:13:48,053 Speaker 7: four matches so far. That's point seven five between those 238 00:13:48,093 --> 00:13:52,493 Speaker 7: overs seven and twelve. In the game between overs thirteen 239 00:13:52,573 --> 00:13:55,853 Speaker 7: and eighteen, as sides attack more, we've taken more wickets. 240 00:13:55,853 --> 00:13:59,813 Speaker 7: We've taken six. So that's one point five per match 241 00:13:59,893 --> 00:14:03,373 Speaker 7: on average. So between all that you add those up, 242 00:14:04,093 --> 00:14:06,693 Speaker 7: it actually means that New Zealand by the eighteenth over 243 00:14:07,053 --> 00:14:10,973 Speaker 7: or the end of it and three point two five wickets. 244 00:14:11,613 --> 00:14:12,653 Speaker 3: It's not much, is it. 245 00:14:13,493 --> 00:14:16,813 Speaker 8: And Jerry, this has been against Putting putting in South 246 00:14:16,813 --> 00:14:21,813 Speaker 8: Africa side and they flogged us, let's not forget. And 247 00:14:23,013 --> 00:14:27,573 Speaker 8: that was very comfortable win by them. But against the 248 00:14:27,653 --> 00:14:33,053 Speaker 8: lesser so called lesser sides, they haven't looked at troubled 249 00:14:33,053 --> 00:14:37,653 Speaker 8: against our bowls and and that's the thing that strikes me. 250 00:14:38,213 --> 00:14:41,773 Speaker 8: Can I also add in there the filming has been 251 00:14:41,933 --> 00:14:44,693 Speaker 8: a little bit abs not so flash either, you know, 252 00:14:44,933 --> 00:14:50,493 Speaker 8: drop catch or two yesterday yeap, not hard. I would 253 00:14:50,493 --> 00:14:55,173 Speaker 8: have expected better. But it's really is this apparent ease 254 00:14:55,333 --> 00:14:59,973 Speaker 8: with which should we say, those lesser teams so called 255 00:15:00,533 --> 00:15:03,893 Speaker 8: are playing us, and yes we've been able to keep 256 00:15:03,933 --> 00:15:05,893 Speaker 8: them down to the sort of one seventies one eighties 257 00:15:05,933 --> 00:15:08,853 Speaker 8: and then go out and and and and smack them around. 258 00:15:09,093 --> 00:15:12,693 Speaker 8: But against those better sides in the South Africa particular, 259 00:15:14,213 --> 00:15:16,893 Speaker 8: those are the two things which I would concern me 260 00:15:17,013 --> 00:15:20,853 Speaker 8: more than say West Indies in England based on their 261 00:15:20,853 --> 00:15:21,413 Speaker 8: current form. 262 00:15:23,333 --> 00:15:27,693 Speaker 5: Have we sacrificed Have we sacrificed a bowler for an 263 00:15:27,733 --> 00:15:31,093 Speaker 5: extra power hitter? I mean the top six, there's someone 264 00:15:31,213 --> 00:15:33,213 Speaker 5: there that can do the business and all and have 265 00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:36,973 Speaker 5: done a little bit here and there. Do we need 266 00:15:37,013 --> 00:15:40,093 Speaker 5: a bowling all round or yet another bowler or do 267 00:15:40,133 --> 00:15:43,493 Speaker 5: we just not have the bowling resources that you know 268 00:15:43,773 --> 00:15:48,773 Speaker 5: make the difference the likes of Mazaraba. 269 00:15:50,173 --> 00:15:53,013 Speaker 7: Just someone might make. Have we got another spinner? Or 270 00:15:53,013 --> 00:15:55,813 Speaker 7: should they be playing Sody? Will they play Sody in 271 00:15:55,853 --> 00:15:59,453 Speaker 7: Sri Lanka? Fellas to me, that's where. 272 00:15:59,853 --> 00:16:02,533 Speaker 8: You well, if you're not playing them there, then why 273 00:16:02,573 --> 00:16:03,213 Speaker 8: did you take him? 274 00:16:03,453 --> 00:16:06,133 Speaker 7: Well, then why haven't they played him against Canada? It 275 00:16:06,173 --> 00:16:08,333 Speaker 7: looks to me as if they, I mean, we're clearly 276 00:16:08,493 --> 00:16:12,213 Speaker 7: missing Bracewell or some other things. If they value a 277 00:16:12,253 --> 00:16:18,533 Speaker 7: finger spinner more than the than the wrist spin of Sody, 278 00:16:19,373 --> 00:16:21,413 Speaker 7: we ain't got it. 279 00:16:21,653 --> 00:16:25,053 Speaker 5: Sody is a bit like Ferguson to a certain extent, 280 00:16:25,093 --> 00:16:29,093 Speaker 5: a wicket taker can be expensive but does take wickets. 281 00:16:29,293 --> 00:16:33,053 Speaker 5: And without Ferguson, of course we didn't take that wicket. 282 00:16:33,093 --> 00:16:38,933 Speaker 5: He's back at home on maternity leave, which is justified. 283 00:16:38,933 --> 00:16:41,853 Speaker 5: Hopefully he's back for the next game that New Zealand play. 284 00:16:42,213 --> 00:16:45,173 Speaker 5: But Sody at least does take wickets. He's our top 285 00:16:45,573 --> 00:16:46,533 Speaker 5: wicket taker, isn't he. 286 00:16:48,133 --> 00:16:51,453 Speaker 8: The reluctance of not not not not the plan. Yes, 287 00:16:51,493 --> 00:16:53,853 Speaker 8: it goes for a bit, but then some of the 288 00:16:53,893 --> 00:16:59,973 Speaker 8: other bowlers it's well it will And I think, as 289 00:17:00,013 --> 00:17:03,533 Speaker 8: you I may have said, Brian, it does seem to 290 00:17:03,533 --> 00:17:08,053 Speaker 8: be a batter's tournament somewhat, so everyone's going to go. 291 00:17:08,173 --> 00:17:10,973 Speaker 8: But do you think wickets is going to be critical? 292 00:17:11,053 --> 00:17:12,813 Speaker 8: And I think if we're going to be we're going 293 00:17:12,813 --> 00:17:16,373 Speaker 8: to be in Sri Lanka, then it would be puzzling 294 00:17:16,493 --> 00:17:18,533 Speaker 8: if Sodi does not play. 295 00:17:19,613 --> 00:17:22,853 Speaker 7: Yeah, a couple of points just quickly about the bowling. 296 00:17:22,893 --> 00:17:25,573 Speaker 7: I think we should bowl a few more Yorkers, or 297 00:17:25,653 --> 00:17:30,053 Speaker 7: try them or work at them. Because we saw Nism 298 00:17:30,053 --> 00:17:32,533 Speaker 7: get an lbw right at the end last night. We 299 00:17:32,573 --> 00:17:35,573 Speaker 7: saw Duffy get away with a couple of Yorkers in 300 00:17:35,613 --> 00:17:38,893 Speaker 7: his last over, the twentieth over. I think as long 301 00:17:38,933 --> 00:17:41,253 Speaker 7: as it's straight, the line of it is straight and 302 00:17:41,333 --> 00:17:45,333 Speaker 7: at the stumps and not wide of the stumps, it's 303 00:17:45,453 --> 00:17:47,813 Speaker 7: not a bad ball. Even if it's a low full toss, 304 00:17:48,093 --> 00:17:50,693 Speaker 7: not a bit, it generally only goes for one or 305 00:17:50,733 --> 00:17:55,213 Speaker 7: two as long as they can't get underneath it. The 306 00:17:55,333 --> 00:17:57,093 Speaker 7: other thing we seem to bowl is a lot of 307 00:17:57,293 --> 00:17:58,413 Speaker 7: short balls. 308 00:17:58,093 --> 00:17:58,453 Speaker 3: Don't we. 309 00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:01,613 Speaker 7: All the guys are bowling, but I think with that 310 00:18:01,773 --> 00:18:05,733 Speaker 7: pace that I've talked about, it's too short, and they 311 00:18:05,773 --> 00:18:10,413 Speaker 7: often make it a slow bouncer as well. So I 312 00:18:10,693 --> 00:18:15,773 Speaker 7: just feel when we bowl too short, I just think 313 00:18:15,813 --> 00:18:18,493 Speaker 7: with the lack of pace that they are supplying and 314 00:18:18,533 --> 00:18:21,933 Speaker 7: they're making it a slower delivery, the element of surprise 315 00:18:22,733 --> 00:18:25,773 Speaker 7: which a slower ball is supposed to do is lost 316 00:18:26,413 --> 00:18:30,293 Speaker 7: because a batsman can adjust and they have time to 317 00:18:30,373 --> 00:18:33,973 Speaker 7: therefore change their shots slightly. And a ball coming down, 318 00:18:34,053 --> 00:18:37,413 Speaker 7: if it's coming down rather than you know it's already 319 00:18:37,413 --> 00:18:40,053 Speaker 7: reached its height from a bouncer and is coming back 320 00:18:40,093 --> 00:18:43,933 Speaker 7: down again, that can still be hit. You can get 321 00:18:44,013 --> 00:18:47,853 Speaker 7: underneath that and still hit that hard. So I think 322 00:18:48,133 --> 00:18:51,733 Speaker 7: we're bowling when we bowl short. We bowl too short. Okay, 323 00:18:51,813 --> 00:18:54,893 Speaker 7: So that's I guess my points there, and I just 324 00:18:54,933 --> 00:18:58,053 Speaker 7: hope Srilanka office has a bit more movement and a 325 00:18:58,093 --> 00:19:03,053 Speaker 7: bit more variable bounce and a bit of same we might. 326 00:19:02,893 --> 00:19:03,373 Speaker 3: Be all right. 327 00:19:03,573 --> 00:19:07,293 Speaker 1: Brian Waddle, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot. 328 00:19:07,453 --> 00:19:10,133 Speaker 5: The White Fans have new skipper, as was always going 329 00:19:10,173 --> 00:19:13,053 Speaker 5: to happen. Then Sophie Devine called it quits and it's 330 00:19:13,093 --> 00:19:16,613 Speaker 5: no surprise. It's congratulations really, Kurt. 331 00:19:16,933 --> 00:19:21,053 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. It's very very special. I think, you know, 332 00:19:21,133 --> 00:19:23,213 Speaker 4: as a kid wanting to grow up and play for 333 00:19:23,333 --> 00:19:25,173 Speaker 4: New Zealand, and a lot of kids in New Zealand 334 00:19:25,213 --> 00:19:29,493 Speaker 4: want to represent whatever sport they love for New Zealand 335 00:19:29,533 --> 00:19:32,053 Speaker 4: and so to be able to do that and then 336 00:19:32,093 --> 00:19:34,813 Speaker 4: to be able to captain it's something that not many. 337 00:19:34,613 --> 00:19:35,453 Speaker 5: People get to do. 338 00:19:35,613 --> 00:19:38,173 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's very very special and a huge privilege. 339 00:19:38,573 --> 00:19:38,773 Speaker 9: Yeah. 340 00:19:38,773 --> 00:19:42,053 Speaker 4: I think I've been fortunate enough to have had some 341 00:19:42,253 --> 00:19:45,253 Speaker 4: experience with the White Ferns and a couple of well 342 00:19:45,253 --> 00:19:47,093 Speaker 4: a couple of games with the White Ferns and for 343 00:19:47,173 --> 00:19:52,413 Speaker 4: Wellington here at the basin. So I think for me, 344 00:19:52,533 --> 00:19:54,813 Speaker 4: I've just got great people around me to learn from. 345 00:19:54,813 --> 00:19:58,453 Speaker 4: We've still got leaders within the White Ferns, Sophie and 346 00:19:58,533 --> 00:20:01,533 Speaker 4: Susie who have kept in the side, and it's just 347 00:20:01,533 --> 00:20:04,493 Speaker 4: about I guess, still being myself and learning and growing. 348 00:20:04,533 --> 00:20:07,173 Speaker 4: And for me, I guess the key is getting the 349 00:20:07,213 --> 00:20:09,533 Speaker 4: best out of the people around you, and through that, 350 00:20:09,973 --> 00:20:12,853 Speaker 4: I think I'm an encourager and want to build belief 351 00:20:12,893 --> 00:20:16,053 Speaker 4: in people and help people get the best out of themselves, 352 00:20:16,133 --> 00:20:19,053 Speaker 4: both on and off the field. I think when I 353 00:20:19,093 --> 00:20:20,813 Speaker 4: was a kid, I always had the dream to play 354 00:20:20,813 --> 00:20:23,293 Speaker 4: for New Zealand and keptain the side. One day I 355 00:20:23,333 --> 00:20:25,253 Speaker 4: think I wrote it in a little notebook when I 356 00:20:25,293 --> 00:20:29,693 Speaker 4: was really young, and yeah, I think just making the 357 00:20:29,693 --> 00:20:32,453 Speaker 4: White Ferns first and playing I just wanted to enjoy 358 00:20:32,533 --> 00:20:35,013 Speaker 4: my cricket. And I think now it's come at a 359 00:20:35,053 --> 00:20:38,613 Speaker 4: really nice time. I think if it came any earlier, 360 00:20:38,773 --> 00:20:40,773 Speaker 4: it wouldn't have been the right time in my career. 361 00:20:40,933 --> 00:20:43,493 Speaker 4: And I'm still young and want to play for New 362 00:20:43,573 --> 00:20:46,293 Speaker 4: Zealand for a long time and want to wanted to 363 00:20:46,293 --> 00:20:48,653 Speaker 4: make sure I'm really ready when I did take on. 364 00:20:48,693 --> 00:20:52,053 Speaker 4: This role is a big job and it's not something 365 00:20:52,093 --> 00:20:56,733 Speaker 4: I take lightly, so I'm excited. They'll obviously be nerves 366 00:20:56,773 --> 00:20:58,733 Speaker 4: because it is a big job, but most of all 367 00:20:58,893 --> 00:21:01,453 Speaker 4: just excited and know that I have great people around 368 00:21:01,453 --> 00:21:04,573 Speaker 4: me to help that I can lean on in times 369 00:21:04,573 --> 00:21:05,213 Speaker 4: when it's tough. 370 00:21:06,253 --> 00:21:09,173 Speaker 5: It seems a little strange to think of care at 371 00:21:09,173 --> 00:21:12,093 Speaker 5: age twenty five has been a white firm for ten 372 00:21:12,173 --> 00:21:13,253 Speaker 5: years now. 373 00:21:13,333 --> 00:21:16,773 Speaker 4: My debut was out at Lincoln University on a live 374 00:21:16,893 --> 00:21:20,173 Speaker 4: stream with about ten people there, which was probably all 375 00:21:20,213 --> 00:21:20,773 Speaker 4: my family. 376 00:21:20,933 --> 00:21:24,053 Speaker 5: So to think of the game back then. 377 00:21:23,933 --> 00:21:27,253 Speaker 4: To where it is now and the opportunities to support 378 00:21:27,413 --> 00:21:30,453 Speaker 4: the crowds, how much more professional it is. And that's 379 00:21:30,493 --> 00:21:33,453 Speaker 4: only in my teen year curiosity think of I think 380 00:21:33,493 --> 00:21:36,093 Speaker 4: of the people I play alongside, like Susie who's been 381 00:21:36,133 --> 00:21:39,053 Speaker 4: around a whole lot longer, and. 382 00:21:38,613 --> 00:21:39,773 Speaker 5: You know they've paved the way. 383 00:21:39,813 --> 00:21:42,093 Speaker 4: The people before us have paved the way for us 384 00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:45,093 Speaker 4: to be standing here now getting to live out our 385 00:21:45,213 --> 00:21:47,653 Speaker 4: dream and for our dream to be our job. It's 386 00:21:47,693 --> 00:21:48,173 Speaker 4: pretty cool. 387 00:21:48,733 --> 00:21:50,733 Speaker 5: How do you describe your captaincy approach? 388 00:21:51,413 --> 00:21:53,453 Speaker 4: For me, it's all about the people, and one of 389 00:21:53,493 --> 00:21:57,213 Speaker 4: my favorite quotes is the hit tungitar, hit tungait hit tunga, 390 00:21:57,493 --> 00:22:00,813 Speaker 4: And for me, I guess we're people first. I think 391 00:22:00,933 --> 00:22:04,933 Speaker 4: it's also about who we represent, being from New Zealand, 392 00:22:04,973 --> 00:22:08,453 Speaker 4: we always punch above our weight and your represent in 393 00:22:08,613 --> 00:22:11,853 Speaker 4: our whole country as well. And for me, I think 394 00:22:12,653 --> 00:22:14,813 Speaker 4: again it's getting the best out of people. I think 395 00:22:15,093 --> 00:22:18,733 Speaker 4: feeling a sense of belonging and feeling valued helps people 396 00:22:18,853 --> 00:22:24,253 Speaker 4: strive towards something greater than themselves as well. And again 397 00:22:24,453 --> 00:22:27,853 Speaker 4: being a small country, I just guess there's so much 398 00:22:27,893 --> 00:22:30,093 Speaker 4: talent in our group and that's what excites me and 399 00:22:30,613 --> 00:22:33,333 Speaker 4: if we can stick to I guess a strengths based 400 00:22:33,333 --> 00:22:36,453 Speaker 4: approach and a lot of the stuff I think has 401 00:22:36,493 --> 00:22:38,773 Speaker 4: been said before by Sophie. 402 00:22:38,373 --> 00:22:39,853 Speaker 9: And it's continuing on. 403 00:22:40,093 --> 00:22:43,173 Speaker 4: The legacy she's built, and then I guess adding my 404 00:22:43,173 --> 00:22:46,093 Speaker 4: own twist to it. Over the last few years, you've 405 00:22:46,093 --> 00:22:49,493 Speaker 4: seen you know, the likes of India takeoff and different 406 00:22:49,973 --> 00:22:53,413 Speaker 4: teams around the world, and I know that their resources 407 00:22:53,453 --> 00:22:56,213 Speaker 4: and there's leagues around the world that they get access 408 00:22:56,253 --> 00:22:57,813 Speaker 4: to and get to play in a lot. But I 409 00:22:57,853 --> 00:23:01,293 Speaker 4: think the investment we've had from New Zealand Cricket over 410 00:23:01,333 --> 00:23:04,733 Speaker 4: the last few years with the A program, the development 411 00:23:04,773 --> 00:23:07,773 Speaker 4: of Super Smash, I think there's so much talent in 412 00:23:07,853 --> 00:23:11,493 Speaker 4: New Zealand and people are working really hard. It's some 413 00:23:11,533 --> 00:23:14,333 Speaker 4: of the hardest workers I've seen in cricket being in 414 00:23:14,373 --> 00:23:17,613 Speaker 4: this environment, and I think if you look at the 415 00:23:17,813 --> 00:23:20,093 Speaker 4: average age of our group, we're all pretty young. And 416 00:23:20,413 --> 00:23:23,333 Speaker 4: that's what excites me is that you know, over the 417 00:23:23,373 --> 00:23:25,373 Speaker 4: next five to ten years we're going to be able 418 00:23:25,373 --> 00:23:28,413 Speaker 4: to build something pretty special with a core group that 419 00:23:28,453 --> 00:23:31,933 Speaker 4: are only going to keep getting better. And that's exciting 420 00:23:31,973 --> 00:23:34,613 Speaker 4: that you know, we're not near our full potential, but 421 00:23:35,053 --> 00:23:37,493 Speaker 4: we've got people who are willing to do everything to 422 00:23:37,573 --> 00:23:37,933 Speaker 4: reach that. 423 00:23:38,853 --> 00:23:42,533 Speaker 5: You're one of the few white fans with franchise group experience. 424 00:23:42,733 --> 00:23:45,173 Speaker 5: Would it be good to have more players qualifying? 425 00:23:45,493 --> 00:23:48,693 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would love to see more white fans playing 426 00:23:48,693 --> 00:23:51,693 Speaker 4: in franchise comps. And I think, you know, after the 427 00:23:51,693 --> 00:23:55,653 Speaker 4: T twenty World Cup win, seeing different players and the 428 00:23:55,693 --> 00:23:57,973 Speaker 4: white fans step up and perform, I thought there was 429 00:23:58,013 --> 00:24:01,173 Speaker 4: an opportunity for more white fans to get a chance 430 00:24:01,213 --> 00:24:03,733 Speaker 4: to go play in those leagues. And I think the 431 00:24:03,773 --> 00:24:06,933 Speaker 4: first step is, you know, playing for New Zealand representing 432 00:24:06,933 --> 00:24:09,573 Speaker 4: New Zealand, and if we can be successful as a 433 00:24:09,613 --> 00:24:13,693 Speaker 4: group and individuals, then are successful. If we compete and 434 00:24:13,733 --> 00:24:18,133 Speaker 4: you start creating a winning environment, that's only going to 435 00:24:18,173 --> 00:24:21,853 Speaker 4: help people get I guess extra call ups in other leagues, 436 00:24:21,893 --> 00:24:25,133 Speaker 4: but yeah, the number one priority is putting the New 437 00:24:25,213 --> 00:24:28,533 Speaker 4: Zealand shirt on and performing for them. At the moment 438 00:24:29,453 --> 00:24:33,213 Speaker 4: it's been the franchise stuff is all pretty much based 439 00:24:33,253 --> 00:24:37,573 Speaker 4: around international cricket, so it hasn't impacted I guess, like 440 00:24:37,573 --> 00:24:41,613 Speaker 4: the men's game yet, but I'm sure within time it's 441 00:24:41,613 --> 00:24:43,733 Speaker 4: only going to get busier and busier. So I think 442 00:24:43,813 --> 00:24:47,213 Speaker 4: for me again, number one priority is playing for New Zealand. 443 00:24:47,293 --> 00:24:50,533 Speaker 4: That's why I'm contracted to and it's about making sure 444 00:24:50,573 --> 00:24:52,973 Speaker 4: I'm the best prepared as I can be to play 445 00:24:53,013 --> 00:24:56,093 Speaker 4: for New Zealand. And sometimes that's going to be going 446 00:24:56,133 --> 00:24:59,493 Speaker 4: and playing franchise comps because you get game time, you 447 00:24:59,533 --> 00:25:02,253 Speaker 4: get a train and play with world class cricketers. But 448 00:25:02,373 --> 00:25:04,973 Speaker 4: sometimes it's going to mean that I have to turn 449 00:25:05,053 --> 00:25:07,413 Speaker 4: things down and stay at home to train if I 450 00:25:07,453 --> 00:25:10,893 Speaker 4: think a training block better. And that's something I've done 451 00:25:11,173 --> 00:25:14,573 Speaker 4: throughout my whole career and so that doesn't change too 452 00:25:14,653 --> 00:25:18,613 Speaker 4: much as my priority has always been New Zealand's and 453 00:25:18,653 --> 00:25:21,493 Speaker 4: again it's each year just balancing out what's going to 454 00:25:21,493 --> 00:25:24,693 Speaker 4: be best time at home or playing cricket. 455 00:25:25,293 --> 00:25:27,973 Speaker 5: Like Finnish coach has Ben Sawyer, who joins on the 456 00:25:27,973 --> 00:25:30,693 Speaker 5: front foot, and Ben, I imagine the choice of Merely 457 00:25:30,773 --> 00:25:32,853 Speaker 5: Kerr wasn't a hard one for it. 458 00:25:32,853 --> 00:25:36,173 Speaker 10: It's been something that we've been obviously speaking about internally 459 00:25:36,213 --> 00:25:38,373 Speaker 10: for a long time. You know, we knew for a 460 00:25:38,413 --> 00:25:41,053 Speaker 10: while we saw exactly the steps that Sophie was going 461 00:25:41,093 --> 00:25:44,413 Speaker 10: to take in terms of stepping down. So yeah, we've 462 00:25:44,413 --> 00:25:47,053 Speaker 10: been having these chats with Merely, yeah, for quite a 463 00:25:47,053 --> 00:25:51,413 Speaker 10: while now. So yeah, for us, she's a standout candidate 464 00:25:51,453 --> 00:25:54,413 Speaker 10: and yeah, really looking forward personally to getting to work 465 00:25:54,453 --> 00:25:57,573 Speaker 10: with hers as captain and coach. So you know, I'm 466 00:25:57,613 --> 00:25:58,573 Speaker 10: excited for it as well. 467 00:25:59,773 --> 00:26:02,493 Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess it's a sort of long term thing, 468 00:26:02,573 --> 00:26:05,213 Speaker 5: but it's it's not a single appointment. Is that you 469 00:26:05,333 --> 00:26:08,893 Speaker 5: have a senior leadership group, I suppose as well. 470 00:26:10,053 --> 00:26:13,413 Speaker 10: Yeah, we and even that we've been talking about that 471 00:26:13,573 --> 00:26:17,773 Speaker 10: and and potentially how that might change with Merely's appointment, 472 00:26:17,933 --> 00:26:23,053 Speaker 10: So even discussing things like maybe having a younger leadership group, 473 00:26:24,493 --> 00:26:27,453 Speaker 10: like you said, to look into the future. So yeah, 474 00:26:27,453 --> 00:26:29,933 Speaker 10: this was the first step of that. But yeah, the 475 00:26:30,213 --> 00:26:33,013 Speaker 10: leadership group we have at the moment will be there 476 00:26:33,053 --> 00:26:35,333 Speaker 10: to support Merely and how that may change in the 477 00:26:35,333 --> 00:26:38,613 Speaker 10: next twelve months though, is something that we are chatting about. 478 00:26:39,413 --> 00:26:41,613 Speaker 5: Yeah, I suppose that decision was made before she scored 479 00:26:41,613 --> 00:26:44,653 Speaker 5: one hundred over the weekend as well, so that just 480 00:26:44,693 --> 00:26:46,933 Speaker 5: sort of added to the selection to it. 481 00:26:47,973 --> 00:26:51,173 Speaker 10: Yeah, look, obviously, I think it's really important Number one 482 00:26:51,293 --> 00:26:54,573 Speaker 10: for your captain to probably be someone that's you know, 483 00:26:55,013 --> 00:26:58,973 Speaker 10: almost guaranteed selection every time, and that's the number. You know, 484 00:26:59,373 --> 00:27:02,773 Speaker 10: A huge quality of Merees is that you know just 485 00:27:02,813 --> 00:27:06,133 Speaker 10: how good a player she is, and she's outstanding with 486 00:27:06,173 --> 00:27:08,013 Speaker 10: both bat and ball, and he's going to be a 487 00:27:08,093 --> 00:27:12,693 Speaker 10: huge part of our team even without the captaincy. So yeah, 488 00:27:12,813 --> 00:27:14,413 Speaker 10: things like she did on the weekend where she got 489 00:27:14,413 --> 00:27:16,653 Speaker 10: another hundred just just cements that as well. 490 00:27:17,493 --> 00:27:20,053 Speaker 5: Are you ever concerned that when somebody is appointed captain 491 00:27:20,093 --> 00:27:23,253 Speaker 5: officially like that is somebody of great skill, that it 492 00:27:23,333 --> 00:27:25,933 Speaker 5: might detract a little bit from their game or does 493 00:27:25,973 --> 00:27:29,213 Speaker 5: she have the balance in her game that will cover 494 00:27:29,613 --> 00:27:34,293 Speaker 5: any possible you know, drop and form or something along 495 00:27:34,333 --> 00:27:34,813 Speaker 5: those lines. 496 00:27:35,373 --> 00:27:38,573 Speaker 10: No, I completely understand what you're saying. Yeah, not not 497 00:27:38,653 --> 00:27:40,933 Speaker 10: that I'm concerned about it, but definitely, yeah, you do 498 00:27:41,093 --> 00:27:43,293 Speaker 10: think about it because it is a it is a 499 00:27:43,413 --> 00:27:48,133 Speaker 10: huge added I guess pressure but yeah, I think Merely 500 00:27:48,413 --> 00:27:51,093 Speaker 10: and the chats that we've had is really excited for 501 00:27:51,133 --> 00:27:54,493 Speaker 10: the opportunity. So look, I don't think it, you know, 502 00:27:54,573 --> 00:27:57,733 Speaker 10: will detract from her game in any way. But that's 503 00:27:57,813 --> 00:28:00,773 Speaker 10: again to your point about like a leadership group and 504 00:28:01,133 --> 00:28:05,493 Speaker 10: how we could potentially take some of the pressures, especially 505 00:28:05,493 --> 00:28:08,613 Speaker 10: those off the field, maybe off a new cap and 506 00:28:08,653 --> 00:28:13,213 Speaker 10: to play. It's been really easy for me with Sophie 507 00:28:13,293 --> 00:28:16,373 Speaker 10: as the captain and just how good a job she's 508 00:28:16,413 --> 00:28:19,653 Speaker 10: done with that. But I would assume that when Sophie 509 00:28:19,653 --> 00:28:23,093 Speaker 10: started as well, she probably wasn't the leader she was 510 00:28:23,253 --> 00:28:25,853 Speaker 10: at the end of her time, and that's something that 511 00:28:25,933 --> 00:28:28,813 Speaker 10: we've got to help merely with as well, you know, 512 00:28:29,813 --> 00:28:33,053 Speaker 10: particularly in that first probably twelve months, is just help 513 00:28:33,093 --> 00:28:36,773 Speaker 10: her out with navigating all the extra responsibilities that she has. 514 00:28:36,853 --> 00:28:39,973 Speaker 10: But to your point, that's part of the leadership's group 515 00:28:40,053 --> 00:28:42,133 Speaker 10: job as well and staff. 516 00:28:41,853 --> 00:28:43,213 Speaker 3: To give her that assistance. 517 00:28:44,573 --> 00:28:47,613 Speaker 5: Does a signal a likely change in approach from you 518 00:28:47,653 --> 00:28:49,613 Speaker 5: and the team or will you continue on the way 519 00:28:49,893 --> 00:28:52,573 Speaker 5: you've been developing over the last. 520 00:28:52,333 --> 00:28:53,613 Speaker 3: To two or three years. 521 00:28:54,853 --> 00:28:59,333 Speaker 10: I don't think it signals any change. No, she's got 522 00:28:59,373 --> 00:29:01,533 Speaker 10: a few she already told me A few things that 523 00:29:01,573 --> 00:29:03,693 Speaker 10: she wants in the team in terms of lineups and 524 00:29:04,453 --> 00:29:07,413 Speaker 10: potentially what we might take into the T twenty World Cup, 525 00:29:07,773 --> 00:29:11,573 Speaker 10: mainly around like number of frontline bowlers and things like that. 526 00:29:11,733 --> 00:29:15,773 Speaker 10: So she's got definite, I guess, opinions on the team 527 00:29:15,813 --> 00:29:19,053 Speaker 10: that she wants to lead. But it's not I guess 528 00:29:19,093 --> 00:29:21,813 Speaker 10: deferring too much from how we've played in the in 529 00:29:21,853 --> 00:29:23,293 Speaker 10: the last twelve or eight months. 530 00:29:24,453 --> 00:29:27,973 Speaker 5: You've got messages coming up both T twity and Odie Eyes. 531 00:29:28,373 --> 00:29:31,413 Speaker 5: Have you been encouraged with the quality and the form 532 00:29:31,453 --> 00:29:33,693 Speaker 5: of players that you're likely to select for that? 533 00:29:35,333 --> 00:29:38,373 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think from memory, I think in terms of 534 00:29:38,733 --> 00:29:42,373 Speaker 10: the Super Smash at the final point there, I think 535 00:29:42,373 --> 00:29:45,853 Speaker 10: it was white the top five batters were all White 536 00:29:45,853 --> 00:29:48,653 Speaker 10: Ferns or had played for the White Ferns in the 537 00:29:48,693 --> 00:29:52,333 Speaker 10: last eighty months, So that's probably something that, yeah, we 538 00:29:52,373 --> 00:29:54,973 Speaker 10: haven't quite done in the last few years, but I 539 00:29:54,973 --> 00:30:00,373 Speaker 10: think a number of our batters stood up really enjoying. Yeah, 540 00:30:00,453 --> 00:30:02,493 Speaker 10: and the way that a number of our quicks in 541 00:30:02,533 --> 00:30:05,813 Speaker 10: particular bowl during that Super Smash I thought was impressive. 542 00:30:05,973 --> 00:30:11,373 Speaker 10: So yeah, I'm very much excited about what Super Smash 543 00:30:11,453 --> 00:30:14,533 Speaker 10: did and and I think the scores were elevated and 544 00:30:14,533 --> 00:30:17,733 Speaker 10: and that hopefully well will tie into and lead into 545 00:30:18,773 --> 00:30:21,453 Speaker 10: a really I guess aggressive way of playing the next 546 00:30:21,453 --> 00:30:22,173 Speaker 10: two series. 547 00:30:23,133 --> 00:30:25,173 Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess it's a challenging time coming up as 548 00:30:25,213 --> 00:30:28,613 Speaker 5: well too, because if you look back on recent form, 549 00:30:28,653 --> 00:30:31,333 Speaker 5: you want to achieve a lot more consistency from the 550 00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:34,373 Speaker 5: team it both forms of the game, don't you. 551 00:30:35,333 --> 00:30:39,253 Speaker 10: Yeah, and that's I guess the next step. And you 552 00:30:39,333 --> 00:30:42,293 Speaker 10: spoke about it before, like you know, we have been 553 00:30:42,293 --> 00:30:45,213 Speaker 10: developing this team, and now I think we're at a 554 00:30:45,253 --> 00:30:48,813 Speaker 10: point where a number of those younger players have now 555 00:30:48,853 --> 00:30:51,213 Speaker 10: had quite a few games, and that's our challenge is 556 00:30:51,213 --> 00:30:55,413 Speaker 10: to now be more consistent. We've understood that, you know 557 00:30:55,453 --> 00:30:57,893 Speaker 10: in the I guess since my time here that maybe 558 00:30:57,933 --> 00:31:01,093 Speaker 10: that consistency was was something that was difficult to achieve. 559 00:31:03,213 --> 00:31:07,053 Speaker 10: A number of young players find their feed in international cricket. 560 00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:10,333 Speaker 10: But yeah, those players have been given a number of 561 00:31:10,373 --> 00:31:14,133 Speaker 10: opportunities now and yeah, to be more consistent on the 562 00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:16,333 Speaker 10: world stage is something that we're all striving for. 563 00:31:17,413 --> 00:31:19,133 Speaker 5: I'm not wanting you to give away any names at 564 00:31:19,133 --> 00:31:22,333 Speaker 5: the moment, but are there any younger or is there 565 00:31:22,533 --> 00:31:24,893 Speaker 5: any sign of more youth coming to the forefront for 566 00:31:24,973 --> 00:31:27,333 Speaker 5: your selection of your team or squad that's coming up. 567 00:31:28,293 --> 00:31:32,413 Speaker 10: Yeah, there will be a couple of new players and those, yeah, 568 00:31:32,413 --> 00:31:35,533 Speaker 10: a couple of younger players, especially against for that series 569 00:31:35,533 --> 00:31:38,173 Speaker 10: against Zimbabwe. So yeah, I don't think that's been released, 570 00:31:38,333 --> 00:31:42,293 Speaker 10: Eddie will tell me, but yeah, yeah, but there will 571 00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:43,773 Speaker 10: be a few new names in there. 572 00:31:44,413 --> 00:31:46,933 Speaker 5: And then of course there's a South African visit later 573 00:31:47,013 --> 00:31:48,573 Speaker 5: in the well the next month. 574 00:31:49,413 --> 00:31:52,933 Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, and I see that really as I guess 575 00:31:53,653 --> 00:31:56,853 Speaker 10: Zimbabwe gives us an opportunity to look at a few 576 00:31:56,853 --> 00:32:00,173 Speaker 10: players and then for me, South Africa is that last 577 00:32:00,173 --> 00:32:02,413 Speaker 10: real hit out before we go to the World Cup 578 00:32:02,453 --> 00:32:05,213 Speaker 10: against you know, a team that I think has made 579 00:32:05,293 --> 00:32:12,013 Speaker 10: the finals the last three World Cups, obviously in the 580 00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:14,853 Speaker 10: ODI World Cup as well, So they're an extremely strong 581 00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:19,693 Speaker 10: team at the moment. They're playing great cricket, people like 582 00:32:19,813 --> 00:32:23,413 Speaker 10: Nadana Clerk you know, killed it during the WPL as well, 583 00:32:23,493 --> 00:32:27,293 Speaker 10: So they're a really strong outfit and will really give us, 584 00:32:28,093 --> 00:32:30,493 Speaker 10: you know, a real good test leading into that World Cup, 585 00:32:30,533 --> 00:32:34,933 Speaker 10: which hopefully, yeah, reflects what happened to the last World 586 00:32:34,933 --> 00:32:37,453 Speaker 10: Cup where we had some really tough cricket leading in 587 00:32:37,533 --> 00:32:40,853 Speaker 10: against England. So we're going to have South Africa and 588 00:32:40,853 --> 00:32:43,013 Speaker 10: then we head over to England before the World Cup. 589 00:32:43,733 --> 00:32:46,973 Speaker 10: So against two world class nations. I think it's a 590 00:32:47,013 --> 00:32:48,973 Speaker 10: really good prep for the World Cup. 591 00:32:49,933 --> 00:32:50,133 Speaker 3: Yeah. 592 00:32:50,213 --> 00:32:53,613 Speaker 5: So that's the reaction of Ben Sewer, coach of the 593 00:32:53,653 --> 00:32:59,053 Speaker 5: White fans. Firstly, the choice of Amelia Ker hands up 594 00:32:59,093 --> 00:33:04,253 Speaker 5: those who would have had anybody else. The hands stayed down. 595 00:33:04,773 --> 00:33:09,613 Speaker 5: Easy meeting, not a hard job. Ben Sewer makes a 596 00:33:09,653 --> 00:33:14,013 Speaker 5: lot of points. Obviously he was the power behind the decision. 597 00:33:14,533 --> 00:33:17,373 Speaker 5: The point I take out of what he says and 598 00:33:17,773 --> 00:33:21,173 Speaker 5: he acknowledges it readily. And we've talked black and blue 599 00:33:21,173 --> 00:33:24,413 Speaker 5: about this, Jerry, I know, and most we've had, at 600 00:33:24,413 --> 00:33:28,093 Speaker 5: odd times consistency from that team. You're not going to 601 00:33:28,173 --> 00:33:31,293 Speaker 5: win every game, you're not going to be the World 602 00:33:31,373 --> 00:33:34,373 Speaker 5: champions every day of the week while you're a developing side. 603 00:33:34,533 --> 00:33:37,933 Speaker 5: But you've got to look for consistency of performance. And 604 00:33:38,053 --> 00:33:40,813 Speaker 5: even if you lose that, consistency is still going to 605 00:33:40,813 --> 00:33:41,893 Speaker 5: come to the Ford, isn't. 606 00:33:41,733 --> 00:33:46,653 Speaker 7: It, Ben Sawyer. Okay, so he's an absent coach. He's 607 00:33:46,653 --> 00:33:48,213 Speaker 7: not in New Zealand now as he was. 608 00:33:48,853 --> 00:33:51,253 Speaker 5: No, he comes to and from because he does big 609 00:33:51,293 --> 00:33:53,613 Speaker 5: best teams and I think he does IPL teams and 610 00:33:53,733 --> 00:33:55,893 Speaker 5: women's IPL right, Yeah. 611 00:33:55,693 --> 00:33:58,333 Speaker 7: So he's the heads off to do franchise work elsewhere 612 00:33:58,333 --> 00:34:01,093 Speaker 7: and then he comes back when it's required for New Zealand. 613 00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:07,493 Speaker 7: Who was looking after? Who's responsible for developing? Because we 614 00:34:07,533 --> 00:34:11,013 Speaker 7: are in a developed phase, aren't we. Surely there are 615 00:34:11,053 --> 00:34:13,733 Speaker 7: some players who have played there for a long time 616 00:34:13,773 --> 00:34:16,613 Speaker 7: who have now retired. There are some players who have 617 00:34:16,653 --> 00:34:19,013 Speaker 7: been there for a long time who may be retained 618 00:34:19,573 --> 00:34:23,973 Speaker 7: because there are not the other players coming through that 619 00:34:24,053 --> 00:34:27,493 Speaker 7: you might hope for. Is that fair comment? 620 00:34:28,773 --> 00:34:32,293 Speaker 5: Yep, no argument there most would. 621 00:34:32,093 --> 00:34:34,453 Speaker 3: You agree with that? Well? 622 00:34:34,493 --> 00:34:35,493 Speaker 8: I would? I would. 623 00:34:37,533 --> 00:34:41,053 Speaker 7: So where where is the coach, the main coach to 624 00:34:41,613 --> 00:34:47,973 Speaker 7: provide the leadership for this development phase? He's away at 625 00:34:47,973 --> 00:34:55,093 Speaker 7: the moment doing franchises, right, I'm assuming someone else will 626 00:34:55,093 --> 00:34:58,813 Speaker 7: be taking is placed or do you know performing that role? 627 00:34:59,333 --> 00:35:02,933 Speaker 5: Probably the domestic coaches were their various teams. 628 00:35:02,733 --> 00:35:09,693 Speaker 8: Firstly, is so clearly the obvious choice. I have some 629 00:35:10,053 --> 00:35:14,293 Speaker 8: I have some concerns and sympathy for her to be 630 00:35:14,373 --> 00:35:18,733 Speaker 8: taking this on because players who have been fantastic for 631 00:35:18,813 --> 00:35:23,493 Speaker 8: the for the women's game in New Zealand are departing 632 00:35:23,653 --> 00:35:26,893 Speaker 8: or were about to depart and she's going to be 633 00:35:26,973 --> 00:35:32,893 Speaker 8: left with a pretty a pretty inexperienced and largely underperformed 634 00:35:33,213 --> 00:35:37,373 Speaker 8: group of people, which seems to me to be a 635 00:35:37,453 --> 00:35:40,773 Speaker 8: very tough job, and a lot will be placed on 636 00:35:41,093 --> 00:35:44,333 Speaker 8: the one person. Albeit there there are some other decent players, 637 00:35:44,333 --> 00:35:47,853 Speaker 8: whose sister included, but it's not going to be a 638 00:35:47,853 --> 00:35:51,933 Speaker 8: strong side, and there seems to be unrealistic expectations about 639 00:35:52,173 --> 00:35:56,413 Speaker 8: how the New Zealand women's cricket team is going to perform, 640 00:35:56,933 --> 00:35:59,333 Speaker 8: because I don't think they're that strong and I don't 641 00:35:59,373 --> 00:36:03,413 Speaker 8: think there is the depth there based purely on results 642 00:36:03,533 --> 00:36:09,573 Speaker 8: of recent times, but also when you take out the 643 00:36:09,653 --> 00:36:12,253 Speaker 8: couple of the older players who are going to be retiring, 644 00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:15,893 Speaker 8: I think it's going to be a very tough job, 645 00:36:16,093 --> 00:36:19,973 Speaker 8: which it will be will be very difficult for still 646 00:36:19,973 --> 00:36:22,453 Speaker 8: a very young person. And I think Brian, as you 647 00:36:22,493 --> 00:36:25,693 Speaker 8: pointed out, it's hard to believe that she's been playing 648 00:36:25,773 --> 00:36:30,213 Speaker 8: cricket for New Zealand for ten years. Yeah, and do 649 00:36:30,973 --> 00:36:35,973 Speaker 8: well that makes her what fo twenty five? I mean 650 00:36:36,333 --> 00:36:39,093 Speaker 8: twenty five? I mean that in itself. I mean you're 651 00:36:39,133 --> 00:36:42,333 Speaker 8: still a very young person and you're taking a lot 652 00:36:42,333 --> 00:36:47,293 Speaker 8: on and she's already had a challenge, as we're quite understandable. 653 00:36:47,293 --> 00:36:47,533 Speaker 5: But I. 654 00:36:49,213 --> 00:36:52,093 Speaker 8: Wish her well. She's a fabulous player, seems a wonderful 655 00:36:52,133 --> 00:36:55,773 Speaker 8: person as well, just as an individual putting cricket to 656 00:36:55,813 --> 00:36:58,613 Speaker 8: one side. But by god, it's going to be a 657 00:36:58,653 --> 00:37:01,093 Speaker 8: tough gig and you're going to need as you rightly 658 00:37:01,133 --> 00:37:04,973 Speaker 8: point out, Jerry, you need that support around you. And 659 00:37:05,933 --> 00:37:09,093 Speaker 8: I wasn't aware of that situation with the coach, which 660 00:37:09,133 --> 00:37:11,693 Speaker 8: is a start contrast to the Mets coach. I don't 661 00:37:11,693 --> 00:37:16,773 Speaker 8: think Walter's a part time guy, So why the difference 662 00:37:16,933 --> 00:37:22,413 Speaker 8: is it? I no, that won't ever know. But I 663 00:37:22,413 --> 00:37:27,613 Speaker 8: think I wish them well, but I don't have great expectations. 664 00:37:28,733 --> 00:37:32,333 Speaker 7: No, I think that's a very fair, very fair summation Moose. 665 00:37:33,253 --> 00:37:35,293 Speaker 5: We'll have a look and see what they pick in 666 00:37:35,413 --> 00:37:37,933 Speaker 5: terms of the squad which is due to be announced 667 00:37:37,933 --> 00:37:42,333 Speaker 5: soon for the series against them Babwe. But yeah, you're right, Moose, 668 00:37:42,373 --> 00:37:44,613 Speaker 5: it's going to be tough road ahead because they've got 669 00:37:44,613 --> 00:37:49,733 Speaker 5: a World Cup in the middle of the year. On coaching, 670 00:37:49,853 --> 00:37:52,573 Speaker 5: should we could be concerned that another New Zealand coach 671 00:37:52,653 --> 00:37:55,893 Speaker 5: is hitting over seas. Peter Fulton off to Middlesex a 672 00:37:55,933 --> 00:37:59,853 Speaker 5: three year deal, not the fact that he's going. But 673 00:38:00,853 --> 00:38:04,453 Speaker 5: as he points out here, he wasn't even interviewed for 674 00:38:04,493 --> 00:38:05,333 Speaker 5: the black Caps role. 675 00:38:06,053 --> 00:38:08,613 Speaker 6: It comes to John. I'd love to coach John. But yeah, 676 00:38:08,693 --> 00:38:12,733 Speaker 6: as as I found out when I suppose the Black 677 00:38:12,773 --> 00:38:15,213 Speaker 6: Chats job was up sort of during the middle of 678 00:38:15,253 --> 00:38:18,653 Speaker 6: the winter, just because you want something doesn't doesn't mean 679 00:38:18,693 --> 00:38:21,053 Speaker 6: that that's necessarily going to happen. So I didn't get 680 00:38:21,053 --> 00:38:23,173 Speaker 6: a I didn't get an interview for that for the 681 00:38:23,293 --> 00:38:25,613 Speaker 6: job then, So I suppose that was probably about the 682 00:38:25,613 --> 00:38:27,573 Speaker 6: time I started to sort of think, well, you know, 683 00:38:27,573 --> 00:38:29,853 Speaker 6: if I couldn't couldn't get an interview, then I suppose 684 00:38:29,893 --> 00:38:31,773 Speaker 6: I'm going to do what's do what's best for me 685 00:38:31,813 --> 00:38:34,053 Speaker 6: and my family, and and like I said, hopefully at 686 00:38:34,093 --> 00:38:38,133 Speaker 6: some point down down the track that might become an 687 00:38:38,133 --> 00:38:38,853 Speaker 6: option against. 688 00:38:39,373 --> 00:38:45,653 Speaker 8: I heard that yesterday that Fulton wasn't included in the 689 00:38:45,733 --> 00:38:50,333 Speaker 8: in the group just remind me of here. But I 690 00:38:50,693 --> 00:38:54,493 Speaker 8: think Canterbury has been pretty successful, haven't they. They've certainly 691 00:38:54,493 --> 00:38:57,053 Speaker 8: developed a lot of very good players who seem to 692 00:38:57,093 --> 00:39:01,573 Speaker 8: be making their way through to New Zealand A and 693 00:39:01,613 --> 00:39:05,413 Speaker 8: the and the New Zealand team the black Caps. Understanding 694 00:39:05,493 --> 00:39:08,893 Speaker 8: that he did, he wasn't included because thought he has 695 00:39:08,893 --> 00:39:10,933 Speaker 8: a credentials, not least of which I think he was 696 00:39:11,253 --> 00:39:14,413 Speaker 8: also the batting catch coach at one point. So either 697 00:39:14,493 --> 00:39:17,173 Speaker 8: they had done a New Zealand Rugby thing which had 698 00:39:17,253 --> 00:39:20,133 Speaker 8: already pointed that the coach and just went through a 699 00:39:20,213 --> 00:39:23,613 Speaker 8: charade of a of a of a selection process, which 700 00:39:24,253 --> 00:39:27,653 Speaker 8: I doubt that would ever happen, would it in New 701 00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:34,773 Speaker 8: Zealand sport? But but I think, But then isn't it 702 00:39:34,853 --> 00:39:37,933 Speaker 8: interesting that he goes on to get a head coach 703 00:39:38,053 --> 00:39:42,333 Speaker 8: job at the proverbial home of cricket at Middlesex. I mean, 704 00:39:42,373 --> 00:39:45,413 Speaker 8: that's that's a that's a pretty plumb job. I would 705 00:39:45,413 --> 00:39:50,693 Speaker 8: have fought a fantastic one. So I applaud him, and 706 00:39:51,013 --> 00:39:53,213 Speaker 8: he's obviously said, well, I'm not going to be around 707 00:39:53,253 --> 00:39:54,653 Speaker 8: for a while, so I'm not gonna be need it 708 00:39:54,693 --> 00:39:57,053 Speaker 8: for a while, so I'm going and that's his that's 709 00:39:57,053 --> 00:40:01,853 Speaker 8: his career. So good on him, but it leaves a 710 00:40:01,853 --> 00:40:03,693 Speaker 8: few question marks, really. 711 00:40:04,373 --> 00:40:08,093 Speaker 7: Waded how long has he been a first first class 712 00:40:08,133 --> 00:40:09,173 Speaker 7: coach for Canterbury. 713 00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:14,173 Speaker 5: Well, he took the job after he left the batting 714 00:40:14,253 --> 00:40:17,853 Speaker 5: coaches role with the Black Caps, so three, three, four 715 00:40:17,933 --> 00:40:19,773 Speaker 5: years something like that when. 716 00:40:19,733 --> 00:40:22,773 Speaker 3: He took that role on, right, So he took that 717 00:40:22,853 --> 00:40:23,133 Speaker 3: role on. 718 00:40:23,373 --> 00:40:26,253 Speaker 7: He's been batting coach for the Black Caps as well. 719 00:40:26,813 --> 00:40:29,693 Speaker 7: He is presumably the head coach at Canterbury now, is 720 00:40:29,693 --> 00:40:30,293 Speaker 7: that correct? 721 00:40:30,613 --> 00:40:30,893 Speaker 5: Yep? 722 00:40:31,613 --> 00:40:36,213 Speaker 7: So he organizes the bowling coaches and the batting coaches 723 00:40:36,253 --> 00:40:39,573 Speaker 7: and so on as an overseer does he I'm assuming 724 00:40:39,613 --> 00:40:41,653 Speaker 7: also he does a bit of the batting as well. 725 00:40:42,373 --> 00:40:45,813 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's got support coaches. I think Brendan Donkers 726 00:40:45,933 --> 00:40:50,293 Speaker 5: is the bowling Yeah, so he's got he's got support there, 727 00:40:50,293 --> 00:40:52,293 Speaker 5: but you know, he runs the cutter. 728 00:40:53,853 --> 00:40:58,333 Speaker 7: So what we're talking about the coaches around New Zealand. 729 00:40:58,373 --> 00:41:02,573 Speaker 7: I guess Shane Jurgensen is Did he get an interview? 730 00:41:02,613 --> 00:41:02,933 Speaker 3: Odds? 731 00:41:03,573 --> 00:41:03,973 Speaker 8: Not sure. 732 00:41:04,053 --> 00:41:05,973 Speaker 5: I'm not sure who got interviews. That's why I was 733 00:41:06,013 --> 00:41:08,133 Speaker 5: supprised that Fulton didn't. 734 00:41:08,453 --> 00:41:11,093 Speaker 7: So yeah, so he's off to Middlesex for three years. 735 00:41:11,133 --> 00:41:14,453 Speaker 7: I'm guessing they are in the second division now. They 736 00:41:14,493 --> 00:41:19,653 Speaker 7: have been just easing their way down in the championship 737 00:41:20,373 --> 00:41:25,533 Speaker 7: in England. They for such a large and wealthy county, 738 00:41:28,053 --> 00:41:30,893 Speaker 7: so that's a bit of a that's going to be 739 00:41:30,893 --> 00:41:33,853 Speaker 7: a challenge for him and probably a very good one. 740 00:41:33,893 --> 00:41:37,373 Speaker 7: He'll come back with a lot more experience, a lot 741 00:41:37,413 --> 00:41:41,973 Speaker 7: of a vast amount of hearing different people's views. They 742 00:41:42,013 --> 00:41:45,613 Speaker 7: see the game slightly differently in England than we do here, 743 00:41:46,413 --> 00:41:50,413 Speaker 7: and so he will come back and he'll certainly gain 744 00:41:50,453 --> 00:41:53,053 Speaker 7: as a coach if that's what he's interested in doing. 745 00:41:53,373 --> 00:41:58,973 Speaker 8: If he can. If he one survives and hopefully prospers, 746 00:41:59,013 --> 00:42:02,133 Speaker 8: and I really hope he does. What I do think 747 00:42:02,213 --> 00:42:04,613 Speaker 8: is very good if one he gets out of the 748 00:42:04,653 --> 00:42:07,613 Speaker 8: New Zealand bubble, it's very important to do that, but 749 00:42:07,693 --> 00:42:10,493 Speaker 8: importantly get out of the Canterbury bubble. I don't want 750 00:42:10,533 --> 00:42:13,093 Speaker 8: to be too critical, but I'm sure they do speak 751 00:42:13,133 --> 00:42:15,053 Speaker 8: to each other a lot down there and believe their 752 00:42:15,093 --> 00:42:20,133 Speaker 8: own numb own version of the world. Being unkind of course, 753 00:42:20,853 --> 00:42:24,773 Speaker 8: but no, but I think that going over there, and 754 00:42:24,813 --> 00:42:28,453 Speaker 8: also he's going to have to deal with a different 755 00:42:28,493 --> 00:42:31,813 Speaker 8: type of person, there'll be politics that he has to 756 00:42:31,813 --> 00:42:35,613 Speaker 8: sort of manage and understand. So if he does get 757 00:42:35,653 --> 00:42:38,413 Speaker 8: there and prospers, and I really hope he does, because 758 00:42:38,453 --> 00:42:40,613 Speaker 8: it will be good for the New Zealand cricket. Assuming 759 00:42:40,613 --> 00:42:45,053 Speaker 8: he returns, then he's certainly going to come back. I 760 00:42:45,173 --> 00:42:48,853 Speaker 8: really find a fine coach and would all go well 761 00:42:48,853 --> 00:42:49,453 Speaker 8: for New Zealand. 762 00:42:50,253 --> 00:42:53,053 Speaker 5: That's the thing that coaches have always tried to do. 763 00:42:53,093 --> 00:42:54,813 Speaker 5: Have then they get a bit of overseas experience and 764 00:42:54,853 --> 00:42:57,773 Speaker 5: then come back here and hopefully that might well be 765 00:42:57,853 --> 00:42:58,253 Speaker 5: the case. 766 00:42:59,293 --> 00:43:02,453 Speaker 7: I would just I'm sure he was disappointed once that 767 00:43:02,613 --> 00:43:05,213 Speaker 7: he don't get a crack, or at least that they 768 00:43:05,253 --> 00:43:08,773 Speaker 7: had a chat to him to acknowledge the work that 769 00:43:08,853 --> 00:43:09,413 Speaker 7: he's done. 770 00:43:10,173 --> 00:43:12,813 Speaker 5: Quick finished. This week, forty eight years ago, I went 771 00:43:12,853 --> 00:43:14,893 Speaker 5: over England at the base in reserves. 772 00:43:15,413 --> 00:43:18,733 Speaker 9: The drama started very early when I think I bowled 773 00:43:18,733 --> 00:43:21,333 Speaker 9: the first ball of the match to John Wright, which 774 00:43:21,373 --> 00:43:25,013 Speaker 9: he edged in front of second slip and Bob Taylor 775 00:43:25,413 --> 00:43:29,293 Speaker 9: took a magnificent diving catch to his left, but the 776 00:43:29,373 --> 00:43:32,853 Speaker 9: umpire was unmoved and John Wright went on to battle 777 00:43:33,053 --> 00:43:35,293 Speaker 9: day which proved a very valuable innings. 778 00:43:35,573 --> 00:43:38,013 Speaker 2: Yeah, then comes Collins now running into Bold to Boycott 779 00:43:38,013 --> 00:43:38,333 Speaker 2: and falling. 780 00:43:38,413 --> 00:43:39,053 Speaker 5: They keep up. 781 00:43:46,853 --> 00:43:50,453 Speaker 2: The scene a match. The crowd is unbelievable. The scene 782 00:43:50,573 --> 00:43:55,253 Speaker 2: out in the middle is up to vlation. Colline has 783 00:43:55,413 --> 00:44:00,213 Speaker 2: bowld Jeffrey Boycott a bore well tossed up moving in. 784 00:44:00,493 --> 00:44:04,253 Speaker 11: Boycott over the top of it. Concentration, you might say, 785 00:44:04,293 --> 00:44:08,573 Speaker 11: almost lacking and it was through his defenses and wreck 786 00:44:08,733 --> 00:44:13,653 Speaker 11: of thumb England the two for one Boycot out Bold 787 00:44:13,853 --> 00:44:17,453 Speaker 11: Collins for one. 788 00:44:18,013 --> 00:44:23,013 Speaker 2: Evenly contested, and even being evenly contested. Now as incomes 789 00:44:23,173 --> 00:44:25,173 Speaker 2: Richard Handy running into Bold. To Edmondson, this will of 790 00:44:25,293 --> 00:44:26,253 Speaker 2: carry the firstlip. 791 00:44:26,613 --> 00:44:27,493 Speaker 11: There's an a power. 792 00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:33,013 Speaker 9: Part of the cat in those words, it's outside the 793 00:44:33,013 --> 00:44:33,533 Speaker 9: off stump and. 794 00:44:33,573 --> 00:44:36,493 Speaker 11: Well skills, a thought set, and we fought by a power. 795 00:44:40,453 --> 00:44:43,893 Speaker 5: Quick comment, Jerry, you were there when watching on the beach. 796 00:44:43,933 --> 00:44:46,533 Speaker 7: I was watching with the New Zealand selector of the time, 797 00:44:46,573 --> 00:44:49,973 Speaker 7: Frank Cameron, and he took me by the I felt 798 00:44:50,013 --> 00:44:53,173 Speaker 7: there's pressure beside me on my arm, and he took 799 00:44:53,213 --> 00:44:56,173 Speaker 7: me around to the end and we watched Richard Hadley 800 00:44:56,653 --> 00:45:00,693 Speaker 7: take those wickets in the in the fourth innings, and 801 00:45:00,973 --> 00:45:04,333 Speaker 7: he was more much more excited than I was. 802 00:45:04,573 --> 00:45:04,933 Speaker 3: I was. 803 00:45:05,093 --> 00:45:07,653 Speaker 7: I had a measure of disappointment that I wasn't there, 804 00:45:09,773 --> 00:45:13,573 Speaker 7: but I put it to one side stoically, and then. 805 00:45:15,773 --> 00:45:18,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, we watched New Zealand. 806 00:45:18,573 --> 00:45:21,693 Speaker 7: Well, of course mainly KLINGI wasn't it running from the 807 00:45:21,733 --> 00:45:25,653 Speaker 7: far end and getting Boycott out early on? And I thought, wow, 808 00:45:25,773 --> 00:45:30,053 Speaker 7: this is on, this is on, and the crowd, which 809 00:45:30,213 --> 00:45:34,613 Speaker 7: was fairly small at the start, you know, a mediocre 810 00:45:34,653 --> 00:45:38,333 Speaker 7: crowd for the basin days when the old bank was there, 811 00:45:38,773 --> 00:45:41,613 Speaker 7: you know, and you changed in the old changing rooms 812 00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:44,493 Speaker 7: and you sat up on the sat up on the 813 00:45:44,573 --> 00:45:45,573 Speaker 7: hill waiting. 814 00:45:45,253 --> 00:45:48,493 Speaker 3: To go in. Yeah, and. 815 00:45:50,133 --> 00:45:54,453 Speaker 7: Suddenly the crowd, I mean Willington react quite quickly to 816 00:45:54,533 --> 00:46:00,373 Speaker 7: those sort of situations, and officers were cleared and they 817 00:46:00,493 --> 00:46:03,493 Speaker 7: arrived and people running you could see them with their 818 00:46:03,533 --> 00:46:08,213 Speaker 7: ties floating behind them, running up Cape rich Terrace. 819 00:46:08,813 --> 00:46:13,173 Speaker 5: Forty people said they were there that day. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, 820 00:46:13,453 --> 00:46:14,013 Speaker 5: most quickly. 821 00:46:14,053 --> 00:46:15,493 Speaker 7: It was a bit of a shame that finished the 822 00:46:15,533 --> 00:46:19,013 Speaker 7: next day, didn't it? In the in the in the morning, 823 00:46:19,013 --> 00:46:23,093 Speaker 7: But never mind. A very exciting session of New Zealand 824 00:46:23,573 --> 00:46:24,293 Speaker 7: history there. 825 00:46:25,133 --> 00:46:30,093 Speaker 8: I will always remember Richard Collins nailing Jeff Boycott LBW 826 00:46:30,573 --> 00:46:34,133 Speaker 8: and yes, and then I left the halls of academia 827 00:46:34,653 --> 00:46:38,853 Speaker 8: at Victoria University to scurry down there, and I too 828 00:46:39,013 --> 00:46:43,653 Speaker 8: was there, and so yeah, memorable, memorable and bloody good 829 00:46:43,733 --> 00:46:45,773 Speaker 8: day for New Zealand cricket. It was. 830 00:46:46,493 --> 00:46:48,653 Speaker 5: That's how old we are now. It was forty eight 831 00:46:48,773 --> 00:46:53,773 Speaker 5: years ago and we were all there enjoying it. I 832 00:46:53,853 --> 00:46:57,453 Speaker 5: understand that Parks. It was a tea. Tayler even had 833 00:46:57,493 --> 00:47:02,133 Speaker 5: a little champagne, I'm told after that game, So that 834 00:47:02,533 --> 00:47:05,133 Speaker 5: that was an interesting story that came out of the 835 00:47:05,173 --> 00:47:07,893 Speaker 5: coverage of that event. This weekend, We've. 836 00:47:07,693 --> 00:47:09,093 Speaker 3: Got it was lemonade. 837 00:47:09,653 --> 00:47:13,053 Speaker 7: Don't worry that that. It looks the same as far 838 00:47:13,093 --> 00:47:14,173 Speaker 7: as Parks is concerned. 839 00:47:14,213 --> 00:47:15,533 Speaker 3: That's good. Oh well, that's got. 840 00:47:15,533 --> 00:47:20,533 Speaker 7: He took a catch actually, even though it bobbled. 841 00:47:18,453 --> 00:47:19,533 Speaker 9: And he did. 842 00:47:21,053 --> 00:47:21,693 Speaker 3: Right, we're bad. 843 00:47:21,773 --> 00:47:22,813 Speaker 5: We're about to go, guys. 844 00:47:24,133 --> 00:47:28,533 Speaker 3: We've got the Ford Trophy and Heli and. 845 00:47:28,533 --> 00:47:33,413 Speaker 5: Johnson and I'll be at the basement watching good Boy Cheers, 846 00:47:33,453 --> 00:47:38,533 Speaker 5: Good summer. 847 00:47:45,373 --> 00:47:48,253 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks b listen live on air 848 00:47:48,493 --> 00:47:51,133 Speaker 1: or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you 849 00:47:51,253 --> 00:47:53,613 Speaker 1: go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.