WEBVTT - "Is It Over Yet?" 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:10.080 I'll get to New Zealand and welcome back to the 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.360 Mad Monday Podcast, brought to you, as always by the 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.640 four and twenty PI. The perfect at home snack for 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.800 watching rugby league, or the perfect snack at the ground 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.680 to have whipped off the back of your head by 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.439 a half US sporting commentator. My name is ten of 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:25.960 us saw A Monday Awi. I'm joined by Toy Hurley 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.840 this afternoon. Get a ben here? You getting on? Mate? 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.520 Can it be over the yet? Is it over? Yeah? 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:34.760 I just want I just want it to end. I 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.320 just want we just need to take this season out 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.520 the back and put a bullet in its head. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:41.360 Chuck it in a sack with a couple of bricks 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:42.960 and toss it off the nearest bridge you reckon. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.880 It's no, I'm going to distance myself from that one. 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.280 I think it needs to be humanely dealt with. But definitely, 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.800 definitely it's it's it's a long and slow death as 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.959 the twenty twenty four NRL seasons for the Mighty Warriors. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.640 And I just feel like that game, Sewan Johnson's Last 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.880 at Home, it sort of went about it was like 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.319 almost a beautiful summary of the season. It was a 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:12.080 lot of emotion. There was a lot of build up 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.639 to that game, all the vision of Sean Johnson before 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:17.399 the game. You know, her tears in his eyes when 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.840 he's running out onto the field as he should, and 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:21.840 emotion is just a little bit too hot. And I 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.520 think that, like you saw that clearly when he knocked 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.880 the ball on with his first touch, was like, okay, 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:31.160 now you've just spelled the the jitters. But the game 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.959 just went exactly how every Warriors game has so far 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.360 this season. You know, there's like twenty thirty minutes of 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.360 us being like, shit, we're on here. Then all of 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.280 a sudden, it just gets taken away from us, isn't it. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.360 Well yeah, then there's then there's always generally one moment 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.160 in the game, one key moment, And I think that 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:51.559 was probably the highest shots on Roger tu vasa sheek 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:55.400 that Stephen Crichton just for some reason did not go 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:59.400 to the bin for it was eighteen sixteen at that point. 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.440 You know, a ten minute power play thirteen on twelve 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.360 would have been fantastic at that point. 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.040 There needs to be some sort of I mean, there 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.480 needs to be an investigation obviously, first off, but also 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.360 there's gotta be like if a player, I know you 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.600 can't judge on the outcome of a tackle, but if 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.320 a player has to go for an HIA, there's no 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.920 way that another player doesn't go to the band. You 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.120 don't get hiad unless someone's hit you in the head. 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.040 And then we saw it later on in the game, 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.120 Mitch Barnet got head in the head so hard I 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:34.360 think it was Preston that it split his eyebrow and 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.160 he just stood there, looked at the riff and he's 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.280 just like blood passing out over his eyes. He's like, 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.359 he is sious, How could that be nothing? I saw? 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.800 Yeah, not only was it high, but it was a 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.040 shoulder charge as well. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.280 Yeah, it was like point to the shoulder to the cheek, 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.600 slash eye socket. Andrew Jennings is in the Mad Monday 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.760 Mondays group on Facebook. He reckons he's got a solution 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.880 to the inconsistencies coming from the bugger. He said, why 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.520 can't the same person do all the games in a round. 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:06.799 If I can manage to watch them all and I'm 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.600 not even getting paid to do it, why wouldn't this work? 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.920 I mean, you're potentially paying for it with your marriage. 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:18.520 But yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm also a massive fan. And 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.160 this goes for the other rugby code as well. There 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.440 should be a five minute send off. There should be 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.840 a five minute bin for what is deemed accidental contact 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:30.880 with their head. If we're going to be serious about 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.000 head contact, then that's fine. They're five minutes. If it 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:38.480 looks like there's intent, that's ten, or carelessness that's ten. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.680 And if it looks like it's just out and out 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.720 dangerous play, then obviously you're off. I think there should 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:45.560 be three levels. 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.160 Yeah, that's a good point because we've changed how we're 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.200 efficiating it, but we haven't changed the punishments that are 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.920 available to the referee. I've always said in rugby union, 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.080 at least, I've been a big proponent of what I 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.960 call the Donald Duck cart, which is for incidental contact 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.080 with the head, so you know you didn't mean to 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.200 do it, you should be allowed to play on, but 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.840 you have to remove your pants. So it's like there's 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.960 you know, the fans don't get punished. The game plays on. 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:13.520 You still have the same guy, but he's going to 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.680 be a bit apprehensive hidden the ruck and that kind 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.200 of stuff because he's got to tackle out. But yeah, 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.200 there has to be some sort of other thing at 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.440 the reff's discretion, doesn't it. You can't just be ten 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:25.440 or yeah. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.520 I mean I guess what I would say, just to 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.760 play devil's advocate. At least in rugby league, you know, 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.440 the it isn't a hard and fast role contact with 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.839 their head just being sent off like it is in 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.320 rugby union. And and the ref did say in that 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:44.200 circumstances said there are mitigating circumstances, which there wasn't. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:45.080 I don't think no. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.400 But still at least he's trying to judge it tackle 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:51.120 by tackle, whereas in rugby union there were there were 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.080 permas players that were just leading with their head into 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.480 tackles like just like a rhino. And then and then 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.159 they all blacks your penalized for contact with their head. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.440 I mean yeah, so at least there is still some 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.360 judgment in rugby league. Yeah, yeah, we'd love to see 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:07.200 some consistency. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.000 I know, you're right, Like a couple of weeks ago 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.359 when Ethan Blackett I got bumped off and got binn 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.359 for his if it's as well because they lived with 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.320 their heads. It's like, what are you supposed to do 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.599 about that? Despite and I feel like poor Weby was 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.960 so passed off from the postmatch press conference talking about 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.120 the inconsistencies and that despite all of that, we were 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.280 lucky enough to commentate from the ground and being there 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.640 for that game was fucking awesome. Like, you know, they've 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.240 all been sellouts this year, but a lot of them 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.840 are like, you know, they've sold out all the tickets. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.160 Some people on the night decide not to turn up, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.200 or people show up late. This was packed out basically 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.160 from the second half of the New South Wales Cup game. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:49.800 The people were filing in and it was that environment 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.880 there was The atmosphere was wild. The South stand was 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:57.160 fucking heaving. They're packed in like sardine's there. And then 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.479 on the seventh minute they tried a little bit of 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.200 forced fun with like a standing ovation for Seawn Johnson 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:07.800 because he wears the number seven. But yeah, I don't know, Yeah, 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:09.760 it didn't really work because a lot of people they 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:11.520 put it up on the screen and everyone's like, oh wait, 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.080 what what are we doing? Standing ovation? Okay, but for 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:15.960 how long? And then it's in the middle of the 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.839 game they're still playing. Then I think we knocked it 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.320 on during that period as well deflated us a little bit. 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.440 The only other thing I note from the game for 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.560 me was that was the first time I'd been to 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.240 Lily World after the game, and oh yeah, it was loose. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.720 It was going off, there was a DJ going, everyone 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:40.240 was maggot that was in there responsible and they got 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.960 the big screen playing the games. It's the best ticket 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:45.880 in town. Still. People were asking me like, do you 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.120 reckon Everyone's going to stop going to the games next year, 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.240 And I don't think they will because it's still the 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.400 best sporting event you can go to in New Zealand 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.520 because you go there, go to the game, you know, 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.200 you have yourself for four and twenty PI, have a 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.800 couple of Export Ultras and then watch the game after 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:03.599 it's going to Lily World, wait for the traffic to 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.279 die down. It's just it's just a good time, you know. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.720 Is it still going to be that Warriors bar in Kingsland? 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:10.600 Is that still happening? 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.280 Yeah? It is. Which I was talking to a couple 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.320 of people about it the game and they're like, do 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.120 you know how hard it is to get from Kingsland 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.400 to Mount Smart, Like there's no direct train, you have 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.920 to go to New Market, so you catch in two 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:28.080 and change two different trains which were out of town. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:29.880 I mean, I live in Auckland. I don't think I 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.920 could do that and I don't think I could pull 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.960 that off. And then, but I guess is it for 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.480 people who aren't going to the game? Is what it is? 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.000 I think it's probably both right. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:45.120 I think they do need a place for the team to, 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:50.920 you know, descend on the adoring crowd at about eleven pm. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.840 Yeah, after a win, and that's probably going to be it. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.240 Yeah, I suppose take a couple of trains where you 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:01.720 half cut. You're right, though, I think that there's been 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:06.040 like a since we were mathematically eliminated. Then, you know, 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.520 we had a bit of artificial inflation because we were 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:13.640 so hyped up for Sean Johnson's last game. But now, like, honestly, 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.320 are we playing the Sharks this week? 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.360 Yeah? We started with the Sharks or ending with the Sharks. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.960 I wasn't entirely certain that that's who we're playing this 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.960 weekend because I think like a lot of people were 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.040 all just sort of focused on next year. Now. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:29.720 Yeah, so let's talk a little bit, a little bit 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:34.559 about next year. We haven't made a lot of signings 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:41.439 I would say, obviously we're losing SJ. But I feel 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.880 like we have quite a lot of backup in that role, 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.800 in the halves role. We do get Jet Cleary as 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.199 well next year, who. 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:50.480 I don't know. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.640 I don't think he'll roll straight into the first grade 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.400 side because he is, you know, fourteen years old or whatever. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.760 But yeah, we have we have covered there. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.040 You know, arguably Tomato Martin was better in that jersey 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.319 than SJ was this year, certainly had more success on 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.560 the you know, just out of pure numbers. So yeah, 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.040 where do you think we need to make some signings. 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:15.440 In the off season? 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.640 Uh, I don't know. Who kicks goals for us next 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.559 year is my biggest problem. So Sean will be gone. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.480 I don't think c HT will be if you certainly 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.520 won't be starting. So I know, I actually think that 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.320 Adam Pompey it gets it. You know, it's a big 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.000 tick in his favor. But then you're paying Roger to 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.000 have us a sheck, however much you're paying him. Rock 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.840 o'berry will be back next year. I don't think we 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:46.840 like we're losing AFB, but we gain James Fisher Harris, 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.800 we lose Jazz Tavanger, But they've just announced Aaron Clark, 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.840 who's I don't know much for muchness And if anything, 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.800 Kieren Ford's three hundredth game was on the weekend and 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.840 guess who was leading the Hocker for that. It was 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.240 Aaron Clark. So I feel like we've got a bit 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.839 of an influx of money coming our way next year. 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:11.200 I really, I really don't think we're losing that much, 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.160 you know what I mean. If Shawn Johnson left at 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:14.480 the end of last year, I'd have been like, fuck, 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.360 that's huge. We just lost the Delian player of the 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.600 year by rights, But that time around on I don't know. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.439 I think health is going to be the biggest issue. 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.200 We've got enough players. I mean, Jackson Ford hasn't ever 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:27.360 been playing for the last month. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.360 You know, well that was that was actually going to 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:30.200 be the position. 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.240 I thought we could do what we could do with 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.840 another really solid back rower. 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:40.040 Yeah we Yeah, what kind of feels like because we got. 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.960 Forward up front, right, we're good upfront, which with Mitch 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.440 Barnett and James Fisher Harris, that's a pretty good front 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:52.760 row each each Ford's I mean, who is fit, like 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.040 actually fit, because I don't think he's been fit all 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.400 year really, even though he's been on the park. Then 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:03.079 that's fine. But and Ford is hot and cold. Yeah, 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.000 and yeah, I just think and we lose Dylan Walker 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.840 and Jazz who cover it in those positions as well. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:14.240 So yeah, I think I think another ball playing back 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:18.200 ra Big a Big would be great. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.200 I don't know who that is when I look around 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.360 the leg I'm just trying to wreck my brain for 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.880 who would feel that for us. I also think just 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.760 like one massive game breaker which could be Look, Metcalff. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:33.120 I'm banking on that next next year because it's you know, 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.840 your game breakers are either your halves or your fallback. Really, 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.640 and Charms, as solid as he is and as great 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.719 as he is, isn't that kind of fallback. So we 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.040 need Metcalf to be the game breaker for us next year. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:45.440 I reckon. 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:46.800 Yeah, that's what I thought. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.800 I was actually watching the Titans game yesterday and it 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.800 was a Camperrera who basically scored a ninety meter try 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.959 and I thought watching that, I thought, there's no one 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.920 in the Warriors that can do that at the moment. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.600 Yeah, and there's conversely, those are the guys that carve 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.199 us to bits as well, those whipp it quick outside backs. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:09.360 We could be one short of those. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:11.319 Yeah, you're right. 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.600 I mean, you know, I'm a fan of Adam Pumpey, 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.760 and I think the Warriors centers have been not great 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.440 in the past on defense, but with him and Roccoberry 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:24.800 in there, I have a reasonable amount of faith in 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:25.360 those two. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.160 But yeah, another even Dollan, I don't know that Dallon 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:30.440 could run ninety meters. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.120 Like he's a great finisher, great winger, but he's not 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:34.040 that kind of winger. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.600 No, he does. He's made a couple of intercept tries 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.520 more last year than he did this year. But even then, 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.200 you're like, I don't know if he's going to get there. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.720 I don't know if he's away. Like it's not shut 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.120 the gate when Dw's he hits An in now. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.040 And I met Wang. You know, we've had the Cossi 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:50.720 Club in there. 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.840 I'm not sure he's quite the star that he promised 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.000 to be a couple of years ago. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:57.880 So yeah, there you go. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:03.480 Someone who could cover, you know, wing slash center, who 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:08.960 could who's who's a speedster would be fantastic. Unfortunately, Vale 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.080 Holmes went to the Dragons. But I think if we 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.800 can enjoyed the Worriors, we have some salary cap issues. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.559 Yeah, yeah, you're right. I don't really know. I still 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.720 think that I reckon the RTS thing would have taken 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.160 a toll on the team this year, and I don't 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.400 think we've solved it. I think it's still a problem 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.520 going into next year. And you hear all these interviews 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.440 with him talking about the difference when he plays fullback 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.840 to when he plays center or wing, and he says, 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.520 when he's playing fullback, all he's thinking about is being 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.840 the best player in the world, and when he's playing 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:44.000 center or wing, he's thinking about, you know, defensive coverages, 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.000 is he in the right place, is he's winger like this, 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.440 you know, second row like that, And he's sort of 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.559 got all these things in his head, whereas when he's 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.920 at fullback, it's like, how do I be the greatest 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:55.720 player of all time? 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:57.760 Well? 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.520 That's interesting, isn't it. I mean, yeah, do we do 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.680 we let one of them go? One of our fullbacks? 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:07.120 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:07.640 to solve it. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:09.719 I don't know, I don't know. I don't want to 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:10.480 let any of them go. 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:11.440 No, No, it's. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.560 Amazing, and I think that's the biggest issue. We have 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.520 two fantastic players who really only play one position. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.760 Yeah, and then I don't know, I've been saying for 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.760 a while, I really want them to swap. I wouldn't mind. 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.840 I reckon chants will be great in the centers. Oh yeah, 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:32.480 And I think we all agree. Roger does that Roger 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.440 still exist? I don't know. You know, the delim player 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.040 of the Year? Is he still? Is he still the guy? 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:39.160 Should he be? Honest? 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:43.040 Tell you what? Who comes back from union and is better? Almost? No? One, 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.520 m No, it's weird like Benji. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.680 I mean, Benji was pretty good towards either of his 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.440 career still, but he was he was called or Benji 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:52.360 by that point. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:57.800 Yeah, what way around, Lord Takiri go? Did he go 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:58.880 back to Lake? Don't think so? 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:03.680 And I don't know, not right, but he Joey Man 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.960 who you know, will he ever go back and be 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:07.280 the great Joey Man? 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.520 Who rugby league player over again? Ye? 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.040 I don't know. Adam's just raised a good point. Brad Thorne. 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.760 But brad Thorne was going to be brad Thorne wherever 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.520 he went. Whatever he did, he didn't go back to league, though, 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:21.360 I feel like he did now. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.640 We played for the All Blacks until he was like fifty. 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:29.120 He during the All Blacks, by the way, he used 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:33.720 to make Stephen Donald and Conrad Smith have bench pressing 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.280 competitions to decide who was the weakest All Black in 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:43.680 the squad. Beaver reckoned, he got him anyway. Yeah, look, 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.000 I don't know. I don't think we've solved a lot 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.880 of the problems that have plagued us this year going 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.160 into next year. But also I don't think we're losing 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.840 too much in the in the squad, and like you 0:15:55.880 --> 0:16:00.800 don't just pluck a competition winning fullback or half out 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:05.160 of thin air anyway. So no, but again, I just 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.760 think we were a few sort of health issues this 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:09.960 year away from the form of last year. I saw 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.920 a stat that absolutely broke my heart about goalkicking and 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:14.680 that we'd be almost in the top four if we 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.400 kicked one hundred percent. You could probably say that about 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:21.480 most teams, but I don't think we're that far off, 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.640 you know, I don't think it's deerm and gloom. But anyway, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.000 as your what's your excitement level for the Shark's game 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:27.680 this week? 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.560 As I say, put a bullet in the back of 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:32.400 the season's here. 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:33.800 No, look, it'll be nice. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.520 It'll be nice to record a when I would like 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.720 it not to be like the season two years ago 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.320 where we lost by forty points to the Titans and 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:46.920 had Matt Lodge walking off give her the fingers to 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:47.360 the crowd. 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.000 So yeah, just if we could just improve on that, 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:50.600 that'd be great. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:54.320 That's the baseline. All right, we'll take a quick break, 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.200 we'll come back and we're going to discuss the Stonker 0:16:56.280 --> 0:17:00.960 of the Round. If you're keen to joined the Alternative 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.239 Commentary collective team for a massive Rugby League weekend in 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.800 March of twenty twenty five, you can text Vegas to 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.480 three two three six to book your spot. 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:08.680 Now. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:10.440 I'm not sure that there are still spots in there. 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:12.399 I've heard that it may be sold out, but anyway, 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.840 text Vegas to three two three six to have a look. Said. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.480 If you can book your spot to Vegas now it 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:24.280 is time for the Stogger of the round and you 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.400 put it into the group chat. This morning, Ben had 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.240 to be the Pande Raiders against the Panthers twenty two 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.320 points to eighteen. But it wasn't just the tight score line. 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.040 It was the way that it was won, wasn't it 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.480 intercept try leak of the field stuff? 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:38.200 Yeah? Yeah, it was great. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.320 I mean I love an afternoon game anyway, and when 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.840 the afternoon game is arguably the best of the week end, 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.919 then you know, that's just great watching. 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:48.440 That's just great rugby league. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.560 And you're going to say, of all the fans in 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.840 the NRL, could you say that the Raiders fans are 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.920 the most passionate. There is a lot of green sparkle 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:02.359 in that crowd and I'd love to see it. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.280 Yeah, they do go harday, I would obviously put them 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.000 sick into the Warriors fan base. 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.440 But there is yeah, true, true, there is something. 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.960 About the dress up thing, that fake horn they blow. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.440 They were Viking clapping at the end as well. There's 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.600 a little bit of a rivalry there with the Panthers. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.479 I seem to remember that their home crowd was doing 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.600 a Viking clap last year or the year before, and 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.600 they were spanking the Raiders and their whole fans. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:32.080 Oh yeah, I think that that probably stems from the 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.760 early nineties. That's when I first started watching leg actually 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.879 early nineties, and that was the Grand Final I think 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.840 three years in a row was Panthers Raiders. 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.639 Right, is that the Ricky Stewart here. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:49.240 Yeah, yeah, and and Panthers. I think two out of 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.399 three went to the Panthers of those of those Grand finals. 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.760 So it's where it comes from. But you know, Canberra 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.840 is a weird place. If you've ever been there, it's 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:02.600 it's not it's not a tourist destination. You certainly don't 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.159 need to go through it, like you have to go 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.479 out of your way to go through it. So obviously 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.840 the capital, it's it's kind of a boring place. So 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.240 I think they're very very passionate about their league team 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:20.240 and that gives them some respite from their boring hundrum 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:21.920 public servant lives. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.280 Yeah, government jobs. The stadium is quite cool as well 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.480 there that they play out. There's a long history with 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.840 that club. Quite a lot of Chevy fans, the Raiders. 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.160 They had a lot of great KIVI players throughout the years. 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.959 I love watching the games at the stadium, but like 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.639 I said before, the only thing that really does my 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:39.800 head on is that fake horn, Like either blow a 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:40.960