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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks V.

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Speaker 2: Is the Secret Key, Still in Your Hearts?

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Speaker 3: Your Oh So Good? A More and New Zealand You

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Speaker 3: were Jack Team. This is News Talk V. I'm here

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Speaker 3: through the midday today. Woman has all of the ingredients

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Speaker 3: for a good time. You got your food, you got

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Speaker 3: your dancing, your arts, and an incredible lineup of local

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Speaker 3: and international artists and even some who cover both of

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Speaker 3: those categories. The English slash ki we rock band the Vales.

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Speaker 3: We're announced this week in the first lineup of acts

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Speaker 3: to headline next year's Woe Mad Festival. The enigmatic indie

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Speaker 3: band have a reputation for intense live performances, and The

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Speaker 3: Vales front man Finn Andrews is with us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Could Finn thank you for being with us?

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Speaker 2: Calder Jack, nice to speak with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nice to be speaking with you. So Woe Mad

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Speaker 3: and the Veils are teaming up for a bit of

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Speaker 3: a collab right with some classical musicians Amalia Hall, Ashley

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Speaker 3: Brown and Sony Kim of Enzied Trio. So what's what's

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Speaker 3: the plan there? How does that work?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question. We've played together a couple

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Speaker 2: of times before in sort of smaller contexts. But they're

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Speaker 2: just the most amazing musicians I've ever played with, I think,

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Speaker 2: and they can kind of do anything you ask of them.

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Speaker 2: So it's been a lot of fun coming up with

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Speaker 2: new ways to sort of expand on the vales. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's and this is the thing time we've done it

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Speaker 2: with the full Veils band though as well. I've kind

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Speaker 2: of done it playing solo with them, but this is

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Speaker 2: the full band with them as well. So it's going

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Speaker 2: to be a pretty raucous affair.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Is it going to be raucous? That was going

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Speaker 3: to be my next question, because when you hear you know,

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Speaker 3: classical musicians getting involved, you think, oh, it's probably less

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Speaker 3: likely to be raucous, but that's not necessarily the case.

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Speaker 2: I think it gives you the option to, yeah, get

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Speaker 2: really big and scary, but also get really small and intimate,

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Speaker 2: which is kind of what the Veils have done on

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Speaker 2: these records throughout the years. We kind of like to

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Speaker 2: lean into the extremes. So yeah, it kind of it

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Speaker 2: just intensifies that even more. I think it's going to

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Speaker 2: intimate as well. That's that's the plan anyway.

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Speaker 3: Because and I'm going to get to es Fidel's in

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Speaker 3: a couple of minutes, which I think you have been

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Speaker 3: recorded it around here lately, and I think for as

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Speaker 3: Fidel's you also brought in some strings and some classical elements, right,

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Speaker 3: So I'm getting the sense that in the last couple

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Speaker 3: of years, between your solo work and the stuff with

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Speaker 3: the Veils, you have really kind of leaned into classical

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Speaker 3: influences and classical contributions. Is that a fair assessment.

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Speaker 2: I suppose We've always used a lot of strings in

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Speaker 2: our records. I've always loved that part of it, This

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Speaker 2: years and then on the last day in the studio

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Speaker 2: you get to bring in these incredible players and this

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Speaker 2: whole other texture gets brought in, and I feel like

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Speaker 2: that's always been a part I've really enjoyed. Actually, And

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Speaker 2: one of the great discoveries of moving back to New

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Speaker 2: Zealand a few years ago was Victoria Kelly, who wrote

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Speaker 2: all the arrangements for this record and the two previous

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Speaker 2: I guess meeting Victoria, who's been a real kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how has it been From a creative perspective coming home?

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Speaker 2: It's been great? Yeah. New Zealand's always been such a

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Speaker 2: for that twenty years.

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Speaker 3: Do you call the time?

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Speaker 2: Oh, very much so? Now, Yeah, I was, I was

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Speaker 2: sort of I don't know, I don't know if I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, compilations and from a creative perspective as well, it's

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Speaker 2: Oh, it is. I mean, I've always felt very fortunate

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it's twenty years since the Vails debut record,

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Speaker 3: or it's slightly more twenty one years. No one's counting,

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Speaker 3: don't worry, oh dear me, But I saw that you

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Speaker 3: said you felt a bit. Do you feelt kind of

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Speaker 3: Is that something you've been afflicted by or struck by?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm prone to those sorts of a

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Speaker 2: as it is. But someone uploaded a picture of all

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, tell me about that. This seems like

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It's weird, right you kind of. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's been the beautiful part of having a long hit

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of all of these songs from my

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Speaker 2: a very odd feeling. It's not something you think about

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Speaker 2: But occasionally it does get a bit overwhelming use of

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Speaker 2: oh god, I've been doing this quite a long time.

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Speaker 3: Now, because you guys took a break for a couple

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was important, I think. Yeah, through all the

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Speaker 2: kind of Yeah. I think I've I've found that again.

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Speaker 2: And all these various people, as they say, that I've

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Speaker 2: So far, I've always you know, you're always kind of

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Speaker 3: That's a very good analogy. What was it like when

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Speaker 3: you guys, you know, after the kind of COVID times

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Speaker 3: feel did it kind of feel like you'd reset a bit,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was. I mean, just since I

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Speaker 2: was nice to come back to it fresh, and that

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Speaker 2: the best times of my life, I think, sort of

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Speaker 2: you know, you forget anyone kind of cares about what

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Speaker 2: kind of the most motivating force in the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that felt amazing to be back over there

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Speaker 2: feel and all the people you know that you meet

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Speaker 3: Oh fantastic. So tell us what you can about s

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Speaker 3: Fidels because you've been recording that at round here right.

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Speaker 2: We recorded it last year and it's coming out early

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Speaker 2: next year. It was recorded in four days, so it

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Speaker 2: The last record took I think four years, so this

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Speaker 2: kind of antidote to how intense that was. This was

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Speaker 2: just songs that I'd been working on for a long time,

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Speaker 2: It's very live feeling, and yeah, I'm really proud of it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm really pleased. We've got a label now and

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Speaker 2: everything's lined up for early next year.

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Speaker 3: Now, Oh fantastic. So you're going to be touring Europe

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Speaker 3: from very start of next year, from January or so,

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Speaker 3: and then Womade is in March. Have you been to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went in twenty nineteen when I was doing

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Speaker 2: the sort of solo project.

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Speaker 3: All right, yeah, what was your impression of it? I

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Speaker 3: always think Mad is like a it's kind of hard

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Speaker 2: I mean, genuinely, it was one of the most beautiful

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Speaker 2: oh man, it was such a strange time. It was

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Speaker 2: a really beautiful weekend and I I'm really happy to

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Speaker 2: get to do it with the band, I was sort

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Speaker 2: of doing it and with the solo thing it was

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Speaker 2: a sort of quieter affair. But yeah, as I say,

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Speaker 2: I think this will just be the perfect place for

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Speaker 2: what we're going to do with this show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and am I right in thinking you are? As

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Speaker 3: well as touring with the band, you'd also doing some

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Speaker 3: new solo music pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've always got a few irons and fire,

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Speaker 2: but right now it's all about the Veils again and

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Speaker 2: I'm really enjoying being back in that in that world.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're delighted that you're going to be performing at Woman.

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Speaker 3: That is such exciting news. All the very best for

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Speaker 3: the months in between, for the release of Affidels, for

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Speaker 3: your tour through Europe, and we look forward to seeing

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Speaker 3: you performing in March.

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Speaker 2: Cheers, Jack, thanks very much, really.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate your time. That is Finn Andrews, the frontman of

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