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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Duplessy Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Hey, get afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 2: unemployment numbers have come in better than expected. We'll speak

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Speaker 2: to Kiwibank's chief economists. We'll speak to the College of

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Speaker 2: Midwives about this pay equity situation. Plus Gregor Paul, the

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Speaker 2: sports writer for The Herald, on why we should ditch

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Speaker 2: postmatch interviews to avoid the F bomb.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me make a prediction for you on this

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Speaker 2: pay equity drama that's been playing out for the last

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Speaker 2: twenty four plus hours. The government is going to pay

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Speaker 2: for this in a big way. I reckon that this

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Speaker 2: could become one of the defining moments of this government

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Speaker 2: when we look back on it in years to come,

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Speaker 2: kind of like the Mother of All Budgets came to

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Speaker 2: define Ruth Richardson and Bulger's government, and the way the

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Speaker 2: Cup of Tea came to define David Longi's government. I

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Speaker 2: think this is a moment for this government, not because

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Speaker 2: it's the wrong thing for this government to do, but

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Speaker 2: because of the underhand and sneaky and cowardly way that

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Speaker 2: they have done it. Now, I personally think that the

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Speaker 2: pay equity system did need an overhaul. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think it is ridiculous to have librarians, as I said yesterday,

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Speaker 2: I do not think that it should have been rushed

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Speaker 2: An Act in particular, has spent so much time in

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Speaker 2: It should have been flagged with people because it affects

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Speaker 2: so many people, And yet no indication whatsoever until yesterday

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Speaker 2: It's taken everybody by surprise. And what's more, they need

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Speaker 2: This is being done in a hurry to save money

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Speaker 2: It's not a bad decision, but they're making it feel

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Speaker 2: to Pakistan and India. The conflict there has escalated today,

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I think also given that people have died

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Speaker 5: Strangely, even though both sides have nuclear weapons, am I

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Speaker 2: He's probably doing it to wind up the Iranians because

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Speaker 2: Iran is so touchy about this that about thirteen years

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Speaker 2: it's not a massive shift. But he's having a crack,

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Speaker 2: us Heather, Heather, I want to talk to you about

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Speaker 2: Gregor Paul. Did you read his opinion piece in the HERA?

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Speaker 7: I did?

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Speaker 7: I think he has a point to a degree, But

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Speaker 7: how many people care about F bombs.

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Speaker 2: No, no one cares. We haven't ever cared about F bombs.

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Speaker 2: We love swearing in New Zealand.

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Speaker 7: When you start looking at C bombs or N bombs,

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Speaker 7: I get what he's saying about bringing the level down,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that I know that I've got his arguments

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Speaker 7: that's a better way of putting it. Like I can't

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Speaker 7: to get what respect.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is it.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't bother me, and the players go, whoa or

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Speaker 2: This is so frustrating to me, Dars, because this is

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Speaker 2: that we have too much sanitization of what these players think.

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Speaker 2: It's already too boring, and I am so bored of

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Speaker 7: Half and they gave it one hundred and or credit

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same nonsense from these boring, wooden people

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Speaker 7: Is some egregious swearing. It's like that I opened the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who does that? And who has ever done that?

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Speaker 7: Nobody except UFC. When Israel Jasnya has made a.

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Speaker 2: What is Gregor just getting old? Do you know what

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Speaker 2: When Gregor was with us in an hour so I'm

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Speaker 7: Well, I Gregor, and I don't want to speak out

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Speaker 8: As I do.

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Speaker 7: We like being I think the word in scott remember

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Speaker 7: that the term, oh that's grouse from back in the day.

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Speaker 7: It probably don't mean. The verb to complain in Scottish

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Speaker 2: What the hell?

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Speaker 2: What they're worried about is Grace does it, then everybody

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Speaker 3: But they're the rules.

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Speaker 7: They tell the rules. This is what's happening. Because there

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Speaker 7: it's one hundred caps. But there's no law in the

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Speaker 7: and it's it's okay, You're allowed to bend things. It's

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Speaker 2: Any right, what's on your show tow me quickly?

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Speaker 7: Well, we've got Anna Stanley joining us to talk exactly that.

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Speaker 2: Oh brilliant.

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Speaker 7: There's somebody who understands the ebbs and flows of international net.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff. Darcy water Grave Sports Coast War back

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Speaker 1: Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's hither duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 2: That'd be either your mother of all budgets analogy doesn't

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Speaker 2: So there's that for God's sake, heither, why can't we

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Speaker 9: Headline's next as you.

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Speaker 7: Over again.

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Speaker 1: Putting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart

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Speaker 4: Favorite dodging me sad name, Craig.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain why you think pay equity being scrapped

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on News Talks, Evy Drive.

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Speaker 2: So, as we said at the start of the program,

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Speaker 2: India has launched air strikes on Pakistan and Pakistan Administered Kashmir.

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Speaker 10: Pakistan has responded back in retaliation to this Indian aggression.

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Speaker 11: We're going to be friends with Canada, regardless of anything.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be friends with Canada. Canada is a

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Speaker 2: And finally, a zoo in Tennessee has recaptured both of

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business Dan.

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Speaker 2: Mitchison, US correspondent with US Now, Hey Dan, Hey, Heather, So,

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Speaker 2: Karnie and Trump was friendly. It was lovely. Everybody's happy.

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Speaker 2: It's a jug.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 12: Most of us would say yes, does the president take

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Speaker 2: If he's taking it seriously, how is he going to

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Speaker 12: That is the million dollar question that I wish I

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Speaker 2: At the moment, he's repeating it it's a joke.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's hope it is. Let's hope it is.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Dan, it's obviously a joke, and you

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Speaker 12: Why would he keep repeating a joke that doesn't have

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Speaker 2: Well, because he's laughing because he didn't care what an

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Speaker 12: I guess, so I guess anyway, they both they both

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Speaker 12: Text here. So that was the main and you know

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Speaker 2: This Trump joke thing is a bugbear of mine. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to deal with us again when Dan

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Speaker 2: isn't listening. But hey, this is good, right that the

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Speaker 2: US and the hohofi's have agreed to stop bombing each other.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's uh.

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Speaker 12: That was another thing that came out of this meeting today.

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Speaker 12: The President announced that, you know, they don't want to

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Speaker 12: fight anymore. He said that you know that we're going

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Speaker 12: to honor that, we being the US, and he said

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Speaker 12: that he also informed the military to stop its attacks

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Speaker 12: a little while ago. We're going to see how this

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Speaker 12: comes together right now, but the President says this, this

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Speaker 12: announcement isn't quite a deal, but they're working on making

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Speaker 12: it a deal. So take that for whatever it may

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Speaker 12: or may not mean at this point. But like you said,

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Speaker 12: I mean, it's at least it's a good you know,

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Speaker 12: first in.

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Speaker 2: The right direction.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Hey, So, what's Caroline Leavett's problem with CNN apart from

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Speaker 2: all the problems that the White House has with CNN.

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean, this is because they had a reporter

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Speaker 12: that traveled south of the border to get the perspective

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Speaker 12: of an infamous drug cartel that continues to get you know,

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Speaker 12: human trafficking and drugs into the country, and it was

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Speaker 12: designated as a terrorist group at the start of the

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Speaker 12: second term for the president. Yeah, and so the White

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Speaker 12: House Press Secretary was scrolling through that she had no

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Speaker 12: idea this was going on, and she said, I was

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Speaker 12: going through my Instagram feed came across the interview and

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Speaker 12: she said, this is just blowing us away that they're

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Speaker 12: designated as a foreign terrorist organization by the US government,

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Speaker 12: and the nature of the questions and the fact that

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Speaker 12: CNN would be doing this as just atrocious. Well, I

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Speaker 12: mean Fox would have done the same thing, any network

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Speaker 12: would have done the same thing. Sixty minutes would have

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Speaker 12: done the same thing.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's just what Dan, is her problem

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Speaker 2: with the fact that they interviewed these guys at all,

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Speaker 2: or is it with the way they interviewed them in

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Speaker 2: the tone and the treatment.

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Speaker 12: I think it's a little bit of both.

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 12: I think she found the nature of the questions perhaps

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Speaker 12: more offensive than she did the actual interviewing of this organization.

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Speaker 12: Right now, and she's saying that this just you know,

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Speaker 12: throws the trust of the so called legacy media you know,

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Speaker 12: under the bus once again, which she claims is at

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Speaker 12: an all time low. Hey, Dan, just for just so

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Speaker 12: you know, I will be listening a little bit later

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Speaker 12: to hear what you have to.

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Speaker 2: Say, Dan about this joker. Are you going to okay?

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Speaker 2: Tune in at five twenty five, Dan, Paul has text

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Speaker 2: and said it's a bloody joke and I'm laughing. And

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Speaker 2: Aaron has text in and said that he's laughing at

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Speaker 2: you because you don't think it's a joke. So there's

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Speaker 2: at least two people plus Donald Trump.

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Speaker 12: You know what, I'm married with two kids. I'm used

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Speaker 12: to be laughed at, So you know, take your best shot.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you, Dan, Okay, we'll talk about it later.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it made as always Dan Mitchinson US correspondencies,

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Speaker 2: that guy puts up with a lot from me. By

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Speaker 2: the way, Mark Lundy is out of the jail today.

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Speaker 4: So what was it?

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Speaker 2: I think, Oh, yeah, no, there it is, there it is.

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Speaker 2: I knew I printed this off. So this is the

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Speaker 2: third time that Mark has been before the parole board,

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Speaker 2: and it appears and other two times they didn't let

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Speaker 2: him out, but they've led him out this time, and

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Speaker 2: it appears maybe the difference is that this time he

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Speaker 2: provided a safety plan where basically he and his lawyer

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Speaker 2: sat down and thought about some triggers you know, that

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Speaker 2: he might encounter outside of prison that may set him off,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know, fill in the blank as to

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Speaker 2: what you think he would do once he was set off.

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Speaker 2: So they had these theoretical situations and then presumably I

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Speaker 2: guess they've they've figured out how he would you deal

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Speaker 2: with these triggers and stuff. But it's some interesting interesting

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Speaker 2: information about him. He has a healthy bank account, apparently

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Speaker 2: he has good family support. He has some pretty strict

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Speaker 2: conditions on coming out of jail, like he's not allowed

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Speaker 2: to initiate any media contact directly or indirectly via social

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Speaker 2: media or blogs or anything not allowed social media not allowed, poor,

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Speaker 2: not allowed dating sites. So you're not going to get

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Speaker 2: him on end zed dating or whatever, a Tinder whatever,

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Speaker 2: You're not going to find him there has to tell

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Speaker 2: his probation officer of any relationship that starts. But here's

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Speaker 2: the interesting thing, right he said he has no plan

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Speaker 2: to enter into any relationships, but said that if he did,

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Speaker 2: he would be open and honest with a partner about

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Speaker 2: his convictions. Mate, there's literally nobody in the country who

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Speaker 2: doesn't know. You don't have to be open and honest.

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Speaker 2: Everybody already knows. Sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Jason Woolls zb's political editors with us. Now, Hey, Jason,

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Speaker 2: so we still don't have a final vote on this

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Speaker 2: pay equity situation.

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Speaker 3: We do not.

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Speaker 13: Indeed, it's still in what's called the Committee of the

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Speaker 13: Whole House phase. I don't usually hear about this because

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Speaker 13: it's not really that worthy of reporting. A sandwich right

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Speaker 13: between the third reading and the second reading, and it's

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Speaker 13: essentially a way for members of the House to query

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Speaker 13: the minister who's in charge of the Bill on any

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Speaker 13: questions that they have and any slight amendments that they

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Speaker 13: might want as well. Now this has been going on

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Speaker 13: for a number of hours. Last actually was I thought

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Speaker 13: this was going to be wrapped up last night, but

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Speaker 13: the houses in urgency where it started at nine am

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Speaker 13: this morning, they had a quick lunch break and it's

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Speaker 13: been going ever since. They stopped for question time. But

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Speaker 13: we're still in the Committee of the whole House phase,

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Speaker 13: so it's really taking quite some time. But I'll tell

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Speaker 13: you one person who hasn't been here today, and that's

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Speaker 13: the Prime Minister. He was in Rotrua speaking at a

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Speaker 13: tourism event at around nine point fifteen am and despite

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Speaker 13: question to time being at two pm, Luxon wasn't able

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Speaker 13: to make it into the house. Now, it's quite unusual

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Speaker 13: on a Wednesday for the Prime Minister not to be

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Speaker 13: here and this was noted by Chris Hipkins.

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Speaker 14: Thank you, mister Speaker to the Prime Minister. Maybe the

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Speaker 14: Prime Minister show up during this one. Does he stand

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Speaker 14: by all of his government's.

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Speaker 13: It's a fair play to Chris Hipkins getting a bit

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Speaker 13: of a lick on the Prime Minister there, but that

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Speaker 13: means that Winston Peters was filling in for the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 13: which always makes for quite a fun afternoon because remember

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Speaker 13: when Winston is speaking in the House for the Prime minister,

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Speaker 13: technically that is coming from the office of the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 13: So although Winston's speaking, technically it's the comments can be

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Speaker 13: attributed to the Prime Minister and no guesses for what

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Speaker 13: was being talked about today.

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Speaker 14: Why did Nikola Willis call the pay equity process a

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Speaker 14: sign of success last year if it now needs dismantling

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Speaker 14: and is the government's real motive to balance the books

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Speaker 14: at the expense of working Kiwi woman?

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Speaker 13: So of course it was pay equity Now. Winston was

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Speaker 13: quite keen to play the man, not the ball. Excuse

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Speaker 13: the phrase in this legislation.

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Speaker 14: Now, dare I say, when you start talking about pay equity,

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Speaker 14: the first thing you must understand where a woman is

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Speaker 14: concerned is what a woman is?

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Speaker 15: Now?

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Speaker 13: Of course that is a reference to the question that

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Speaker 13: Chris Hipkins got when he was Prime Minister, where he

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Speaker 13: took a while to actually define what he thought a

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Speaker 13: woman was. But he was more prepared today to clap

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Speaker 13: back at Winston.

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Speaker 14: Is his definition of a woman someone who's paid less

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Speaker 14: than a man.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, So it's a bit of a political football in

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Speaker 13: the House today, so we keep an eye on this one.

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Speaker 13: It's still going and maybe maybe maybe we'll get a

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Speaker 13: third reading tonight.

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Speaker 2: Because the troublers. We've got David Parker's valedictory at twenty

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Speaker 2: to six, don't we, so nunder an hour's time. So

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Speaker 2: what happens if they haven't finished it yet? Do they pause,

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Speaker 2: do the valedictory and then come back to it.

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Speaker 13: So they pause, do the valedictory, then they break for dinner,

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Speaker 13: then they come back for it. So I'm all going smoothly,

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Speaker 13: will this will still be going on?

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Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't the opposition it's best interest to

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Speaker 2: drag this on as much as possible, right, So it

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Speaker 2: basically creates more headlines.

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Speaker 13: Yes, but I mean the flip side of it as

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Speaker 13: well is the Opposition will argue and they have been

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Speaker 13: arguing that they haven't got a Select Committee process to

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Speaker 13: be able to explore these arguments and get some information

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Speaker 13: from the minister. So this is essentially sort of technically

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Speaker 13: this the Select Committee process, and that's why the chair

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Speaker 13: who is the Deputy of the House is letting this

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Speaker 13: go on so long.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you know, fair enough, fair enough, absolutely, Now what

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Speaker 2: has the Maori Party apologized for?

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Speaker 13: No, So we talked about it last night. But it

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Speaker 13: was that post about where they asked their followers how

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Speaker 13: long they think their MPs will be suspended for. Alongside

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Speaker 13: the post was an excerpt from the Privileges Committee which

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Speaker 13: discussed if they should be suspended for seven, forteen or

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Speaker 13: twenty one days. So this was from the Privileges Committee.

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Speaker 13: Judith Collins wasn't happy at all about this, so we

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Speaker 13: asked Debbie Nadi, a packer, about this this afternoon. Have

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Speaker 13: listened to what she had to say.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I just want to while we've got your attention.

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Speaker 16: We were aware that an instagram put up last night

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Speaker 16: created a little bit of tension for the chair of

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Speaker 16: the Privileged Committee. We acknowledged that no MP including the

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Speaker 16: co leaders, were responsible for that. It is a mistake

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Speaker 16: that's happened internally which we're reviewing. So we had sent

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Speaker 16: an apology to the cheer to say, no, you're right,

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Speaker 16: you've got us on that and that was a mistake

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Speaker 16: and we'll review it.

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Speaker 13: So their review it, it was an emotional junior staffers aga.

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Speaker 2: Whoa why are they apologizing for this, Like, after all

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Speaker 2: of their behavior, this is the least degregious thing that

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Speaker 2: they're done. That sound funny, So are they apologizing for it?

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Speaker 2: Why is this the thing that they think is so bad?

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Speaker 13: I honestly thought they would own this and say that,

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Speaker 13: oh well, you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 13: this is what's going to happen to us. But you know,

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Speaker 13: we'll find out in a couple of hours. We've got

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Speaker 13: our intrepid reporter Azaria Howell, who's staying late for the

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Speaker 13: Privileges Committee, which starts at eight thirty and should wrap

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Speaker 13: up at about nine thirty.

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Speaker 2: So messing with my head man.

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Speaker 13: Yes, keep an ear out, to keep an ear out

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Speaker 13: to z B for the outcome of that one will

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Speaker 13: be all across it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, do you reckon David park is

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Speaker 2: going to get the snark in over the Welsh text

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Speaker 2: that he didn't get.

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Speaker 13: Yes, absolutely, And I always think that this happens. I

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Speaker 13: think that these these MPs that you know, I mean,

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Speaker 13: in David Parker's defense, he did have a bit of

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Speaker 13: a crack when he was an MP. But I get

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Speaker 13: so sick of these MP's and their valedictory speeches talking

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Speaker 13: about what they wish they could have done when you

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Speaker 13: were the one that was in power. I mean Grant

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Speaker 13: Robertson was a particularly bad case when he was talking

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Speaker 13: about some tax changes and I was like, my man,

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Speaker 13: you were the finance minister. But I think park is

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Speaker 13: going to be a bit better.

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Speaker 2: That I want him to spill the tea. Hey, thanks

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Speaker 2: very much appreciated. Jason Wall's news Talk ZB political editor

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Speaker 2: eight away from.

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Speaker 1: Five, putting the term questions to the newspeakers the mic

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Speaker 1: asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: An overhaul of the pay equity system. Rook van Velden,

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Speaker 17: Minister of Workplace Relations, is with us.

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Speaker 18: The current government doesn't believe that we can genuinely hand

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Speaker 18: on Heart's say.

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Speaker 19: The outcome of these claims.

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Speaker 18: Is to rectify genuine sex based undervaluation.

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Speaker 17: As much as I support what you're trying to do,

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Speaker 17: because what we're doing currently is wrong, you can't because

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Speaker 17: you will never compare apples with apples. Everybody loves people

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Speaker 17: who work in rest simes. They're kind, they're loving, they're

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Speaker 17: there for the right reasons. They don't happen to get

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Speaker 17: paid a lot of money. Comparing them to mechanics was pointless.

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Speaker 18: It is always going to be difficult, you're right, but

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Speaker 18: the government is committed to having a system for pay equity.

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Speaker 17: Back Tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: a Veda News Talk ZB right.

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Speaker 2: We're going to speak to on the pay equity thing.

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Speaker 2: We're going to speak to the midwas after five o'clock

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Speaker 2: just to see what's going on then that there are

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Speaker 2: but midwives are in a bunch of different phases because

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Speaker 2: there are different groups of midwives. So you've got the

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Speaker 2: publicly you know, the publicly employed ones, you got the

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Speaker 2: privately employed ones, and so on and so on. So

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Speaker 2: one group of midwives had submitted a claim but hadn't

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Speaker 2: yet been accepted. Another one had submitted a claim had

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Speaker 2: been accepted. We're in negotiations and a different group all

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Speaker 2: together were at the High Court about pay equity. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: we'll have a chat to them to see how what's

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Speaker 2: going on there. Transpower, Now, if you were a regular

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Speaker 2: listening to the show for some time, you will know

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Speaker 2: that Transpower and I have a interesting relationship with each other.

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Speaker 2: Transpower hasn't been on this show for considerable length of

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Speaker 2: time because we played don't play it ants don't even

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Speaker 2: think about it. Take your finger away from it. We

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Speaker 2: played clown music because you may remember that what happened

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Speaker 2: was that they took the bolts off the nuts and

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Speaker 2: then the pylon fell over and it was just it

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Speaker 2: was just an absolute disaster, and it was hilarious because

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Speaker 2: that's the only thing you can do is laugh at

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Speaker 2: a situation like that, otherwise you cry. So we laughed

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Speaker 2: at it and we played clown music. They have a

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Speaker 2: guy who works in their media team who has no

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Speaker 2: sense of humor and thought it was just horrific, Like

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Speaker 2: he couldn't let it go. It really upset him. It

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Speaker 2: deeply upset him. It deeply upset him, and so he

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Speaker 2: wouldn't let Alison the CEO come on the show. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: we called him today because what's happened as Transpower is

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Speaker 2: going to replace the cable between it was cables between

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Speaker 2: the North and South Island, and it's going to cost

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Speaker 2: us a lot of money. It turns out one point

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Speaker 2: four billion dollars and you and I are going to

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Speaker 2: pay for it. So we said, can we have the

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Speaker 2: new CEO, a new guy called James Kime of James

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Speaker 2: On and the media man said no, because you're unprofessional

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Speaker 2: because we played the clown music. So then he changed

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Speaker 2: his mind, but we have struck a deal with him.

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Speaker 2: We struck a deal we will not play the clown

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Speaker 2: music if James comes on the show. So the clown

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Speaker 2: music is being retired. James is going to be on

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Speaker 2: the show after half past five, and we're going to

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Speaker 2: be completely professional about this. We're not going to mention

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Speaker 2: anything about this case. I just want you to because

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Speaker 2: I'm try transparent with you. We've struck a deal. We

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Speaker 2: have with our hands are editorially tied by Transpower, so

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Speaker 2: they insisted editorial control over this and we gave it

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Speaker 2: to them. And he's going to be on the show

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Speaker 2: later on. But next up, let's talk about the unemployment number.

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Speaker 2: News Talks. They'd be.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected.

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Speaker 3: News Talks. They'd be.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon. We have some good news on the employment front.

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Speaker 2: Despite expectations that the unemployment rate would go up, but

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Speaker 2: it's actually come and unchanged for the first three months

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Speaker 2: of the year five point per Jared kurt Is Kiwibank's

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Speaker 2: chief economist Aye Jared, Hey, how are you very well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? So can we put this down to people

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Speaker 2: not losing their jobs, but just taking fewer hours instead.

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Speaker 20: Yes, exactly, that's the main message. It's great that people

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Speaker 20: aren't losing their job. That total hours worked is down

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Speaker 20: three percent over the year, so that's quite a contraction.

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Speaker 2: I see that we have about twenty one percent of

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Speaker 2: the people who are in the workforce actually in part

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Speaker 2: time work. Does that seem like a high number to.

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Speaker 20: You, Yeah, it is. We've seen part time work increasing

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Speaker 20: as full time work is decreasing, So businesses are clearly

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Speaker 20: cutting hours to reduce costs and fight their way through

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Speaker 20: what's quite an awkward period. And that's weighing on households,

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Speaker 20: and some households are struggling.

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Speaker 2: Can we just assume that the hours will go up

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Speaker 2: again as the economy picks up.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, And we really do need to see the economy

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Speaker 20: bounce back, and we think that happens over the second

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Speaker 20: half of the year and into next year. So things

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Speaker 20: will get better, but it does take time, and it

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Speaker 20: will take time for the labor market to strengthen.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that this is the height of what

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Speaker 2: we were going to reach. I guess it's not going

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Speaker 2: to go up later. We haven't delayed it.

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Speaker 20: This is it we're hoping that's the case. I mean,

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Speaker 20: our forecast was for an unemployment rate to reach about

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Speaker 20: five point three five point four. Sitting at five point

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Speaker 20: one is obviously better than that, but it is a

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Speaker 20: big glist from the three point two where we're at

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Speaker 20: a year or so ago. If we peak this year,

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Speaker 20: then I think we'll see the unemployment rate falling over

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Speaker 20: twenty twenty six, which will be good news for many.

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Speaker 2: So how do you think this is going to affect

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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank's decision on the OCI later in the month.

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Speaker 20: Look, we are sitting here having been through a deep recession,

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Speaker 20: with a rising unemployment rate, falling hours, all these indicators,

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Speaker 20: and the Reserve Bank still has interest rates at restrictive levels.

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Speaker 20: They're still restraining the economy. It's not needed. They should

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Speaker 20: be cutting aggressively. Two and a half. We're at three

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Speaker 20: and a half at the moment we were at five

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Speaker 20: and a half. We've had a decent move, but we've

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Speaker 20: got to get below three percent, which is the believed

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Speaker 20: neutral rate.

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Speaker 2: Jared, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Jared kerchief economist at Kiwibankgever. We are still waiting for

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Speaker 2: the pay equity law to be passed under urgency. Thought

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Speaker 2: it would have happened by now, but the opposition is

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Speaker 2: dragging it out in parliament. One of the affected groups

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Speaker 2: is midwives and New Zealand College of Midwives Chief Executive

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Speaker 2: Allison Edio is with us. Now, hey, Allison, hi there,

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Speaker 2: how are you? I'm very well? Thank you?

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Speaker 21: Now?

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Speaker 2: Am I right in thinking that midwives are at various

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Speaker 2: stages with us? Some will be affected but some will not.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 18: We have had pay group claim for employed midwives that

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Speaker 18: the Health New Zealand employed ones. It was concluded some

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Speaker 18: time ago, so that's been through the process and as

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Speaker 18: far as we understand, that's a done deal, but you know,

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Speaker 18: we don't know for sure until as you said, the

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Speaker 18: legislation hasn't been passed. There are some other midwives affected

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Speaker 18: of much the non Health New Zealand employed ones, much

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Speaker 18: much smaller in number. But maris the Midwives Union as

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Speaker 18: the best point of contact to really understand that what

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Speaker 18: it's meant for that force. We have advocacy in a

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Speaker 18: role for the self employed midwives. So they are still

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Speaker 18: publicly funded fully public defunded service, but there's self employed

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Speaker 18: to tax purposes, and we've had to take a completely

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Speaker 18: different route. We've had to go through the High Court

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Speaker 18: and we're waiting for their action to be decided by

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Speaker 18: the judge. But we're pretty confident that this change in

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Speaker 18: legislation won't impact that midwives.

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Speaker 2: Who are what's the comparator for the midwives? Who are

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Speaker 2: the midwives comparing themselves.

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Speaker 18: To Ah, Well, you see that's the but I couldn't

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Speaker 18: speak on behalf of the union. They would need to

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Speaker 18: talk to you about for the employeed midwives that we've

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Speaker 18: had to do some comparative work for our case, and

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Speaker 18: we have used health sector workers as our comparators all

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Speaker 18: the time. We haven't gone outside. We've used employed news practitioners. Employed.

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Speaker 18: This is for self employed caseloading midwives. So they're the

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Speaker 18: ones that we're gone call twenty four seven looking after

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Speaker 18: women in the community, getting up in the middle of

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Speaker 18: the night, you know, all of that, providing constentive care.

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Speaker 18: So it's a really specialized job. There's a lot of

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Speaker 18: responsibility and they have to managed all their own needs

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Speaker 18: and business needs, you know, professional needs because it's a

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Speaker 18: self employed model. So we've looked at news practitioners, we've

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Speaker 18: looked at employed caseloading midwives who do the same job

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Speaker 18: that might be employed by an organization, and we've also

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Speaker 18: used employed GPS. So we did it a kind of

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Speaker 18: a comparator across because no one's perfect. That's and that's

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Speaker 18: the issue that this government's struggling with it. They're really

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Speaker 18: difficult to find it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, news practices and GPS don't feel like outrageous.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like the librarians trying to compare

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Speaker 2: themselves to engineers like that.

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Speaker 18: That's no, No, we and I think you know we

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Speaker 18: but yeah, I don't know. I couldn't comment on the

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Speaker 18: employed midwives process.

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Speaker 2: Some midwives are comparing themselves to plumbers. Have you heard that?

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Speaker 18: No, I haven't heard that one. No, No, I couldn't.

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Speaker 18: I couldn't. I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you.

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Speaker 18: That's not been my experience.

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Speaker 2: Because I woul I would have argued that a plumber

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Speaker 2: should be paid less than a midwife. What about you?

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Speaker 18: Well, I mean I think this is the thing that yeah,

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Speaker 18: it's just that value of women's works. Uf you know,

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Speaker 18: that's what this is all about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now listen at the end of the day. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So if the claim that you are involved in is successful,

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Speaker 2: how much does it raise the pay of midwives.

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Speaker 18: By Well, look, we have to wait for the court

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Speaker 18: to decide that. What you know, we don't think we've

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Speaker 18: reached fair and reasonable pay. We think we've still got

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Speaker 18: some way to go from the sigas we presented. But

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Speaker 18: it's you know, I couldn't put a figure onte for

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Speaker 18: you at this point. Sorry, okay, with confidence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Allison, thanks very much, really appreciate Alison Eddie, New

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Speaker 2: Zealand College of Midwives Chief Executive. I mean, midwives and

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Speaker 2: plumbers both get called out at weird hours, both go

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Speaker 2: to your house, both deal with lots of water, but

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Speaker 2: one of them is dealing with life and death. So

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Speaker 2: that's definitely a pay rise, right there, isn't it ever?

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Speaker 2: Do see, Alan, conclave is about to get underway of fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I love the conclave. I love this because this is

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Speaker 2: what there are I get there's a lot of people

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Speaker 2: who criticize this whole process in the media's fascination and

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Speaker 2: people's fascination with it, right, because it's just the Catholics. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's not just the Catholics, let's be honest about even

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Speaker 2: though even though the Catholics and you know, there's obviously

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Speaker 2: I mean, we don't need to go through the whole

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Speaker 2: Protestant versus Catholic thing again. However, as a Protestant, I'm

873
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Speaker 2: fascinated by what is going on because I feel like

874
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Speaker 2: there's still kind of a little bit of a a

875
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: there's still a figurehead thing for all of all Christians there,

876
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Anyway, not everyone's going

877
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: to agree with that. However, I'm going to tell you

878
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: what's going on. There are one hundred and thirty three

879
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: cardinals and there's a housing problem because there's only one

880
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five rooms at the hotel. So last

881
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: time we chucked them in the place with the donkey,

882
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 2: and that didn't end well. Well, it did end well,

883
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: didn't it. But we don't need to repeat that anyway.

884
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: So they're going to be sent to another building, which

885
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: is called the Santa Martavicia, which is a more austere

886
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: building normally used by the Vatican officials, and some may

887
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: find themselves sleeping in repurposed staff quarters or in the sacrists.

888
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: How do I pronounce that ants sacristy? I just have

889
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: to go to my local Catholic sacristy, which is where

890
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: the sacred vestaments are stored. So is what we're doing

891
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: once again? Like for how long have Christians not been

892
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: able to source.

893
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 8: The sacred investments? So they're sleeping in the wardrobe, then

894
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 8: that's exactly right, the walk in wardrobe.

895
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: It's better than last time where they sit with the dog.

896
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Speaker 8: I wonder if they got the choice of that or

897
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Speaker 8: like a bunk bed, because if there's only one hundred,

898
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 8: surely two guys can show hit.

899
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: A bunk because did you watch Conclave and see those rooms?

900
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: They're awesome? Like they were like it's not a great hotel. Hello,

901
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 2: it was marble lined. I wouldn't mind it at all.

902
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: Quarter past. Now you may have heard me speak about

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904
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905
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906
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909
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Speaker 2: to allow a few minutes for the message to be delivered. Now,

911
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Speaker 2: the One New Zealand team are pitching it as peace

912
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Speaker 2: of mind in your pocket, which I actually quite like.

913
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Speaker 2: It's an additional layer of communication when in the most

914
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Speaker 2: remote parts of New Zealand, but also when dare we

915
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Speaker 2: say it, a natural disaster strikes of the cell towers

916
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Speaker 2: go temporarily, you can literally text in the middle of nowhere.

917
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Speaker 2: Sea Alan eighteen past five now Black Ferns sevens captain

921
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: Sarah hid And he has become the latest sporting superstar

922
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: to drop an F bomb live on TV. Right and

923
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Speaker 2: don't worry parents, because we're going to CeNSE of the

924
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 2: actual word. But here's what she said shortly after winning

925
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Speaker 2: the sevens World Championship in La earlier this week.

926
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Speaker 23: After the Olympic Colemeto. We wanted to show that we're

927
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Speaker 23: a great team and to us that was bring it

928
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Speaker 23: winning the league and winning the series. And we did it,

929
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Speaker 23: and obviously I was excited about it.

930
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Speaker 2: Now The heralds Rugby writer Gregor Paul has some thoughts

931
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Speaker 2: on this is written a column for The Herald this morning.

932
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Speaker 2: As with me.

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Speaker 24: Now, hey, Gregor, good afternoon.

934
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Speaker 2: Now tell me if I'm mischaracterizing what your argument is.

935
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Speaker 2: But basically, are you arguing that we need to stop

936
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Speaker 2: these breathless halftime and and on pitch interview because otherwise

937
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: we're going to have too many of these if bombs.

938
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Speaker 21: Yeah, you've characterized that perfectly. I don't know why I

939
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Speaker 21: bothered writing a thousand words. You just did it in

940
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Speaker 21: about eight.

941
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Speaker 3: Thank you.

942
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, because what you're being apprude about the youth bomb?

943
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Speaker 21: Oh look, I'm not being apprude about it. I think

944
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Speaker 21: I'm not a big fan of sports stars or anyone

945
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Speaker 21: really swearing in public as part of an entertainment package.

946
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Speaker 21: I think it's unnecessary. I think we're trying to encourage

947
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Speaker 21: children to play. There's probably children watching. I think it's gratuitous.

948
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Speaker 21: You know, I know that these guys are tired, they're

949
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Speaker 21: emotional when they get microphones put under them. I know

950
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 21: they've invested a huge amount to get to where they've

951
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 21: got to. And I understand it's natural for them at

952
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 21: times to forget who they're talking to and they just

953
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Speaker 21: let all that stuff out. But they're also professional athletes,

954
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Speaker 21: and my concern is that it gets a little bit

955
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Speaker 21: glorified by the media. You know, it also reduces the

956
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 21: amazing performance of the black Phones over two days to

957
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 21: win that title kind of gets reduced to headline. You know,

958
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 21: Sarah Hereny swears and we get that new that we

959
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 21: audio clip that you played there, and that's it. You know,

960
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 21: we're actually stupid.

961
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Speaker 2: I mean, gregl that's just stupid headline writing, because do

962
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 2: you I mean, I don't know about you. I certainly

963
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Speaker 2: do not look at that and go, oh, she swore,

964
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Speaker 2: let me click on that. Arn't care if she swore.

965
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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to watch it because of that.

966
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Speaker 4: Are you?

967
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Speaker 21: Well no, But clearly there's an industry and clickbait plenty

968
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Speaker 21: to be a little bit careful here, because the industry,

969
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 21: you know, pays.

970
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Speaker 2: Now, don't worry about it. You're allowed to criticize your

971
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Speaker 2: employer on the show.

972
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Speaker 21: But yeah, but there's an industry around that. And the

973
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Speaker 21: point I made in the column be a little bit careful.

974
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Speaker 21: But the point I'm made in the column here is

975
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Speaker 21: that there's this whole sort of peripheral media storyline that

976
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Speaker 21: gets told now around the edges of big sport and

977
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Speaker 21: a player swearing or you know, someone streaking, or you know,

978
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Speaker 21: a wardrobe malfunction during the game. These these things have

979
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Speaker 21: all become sort of big business for media because you

980
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Speaker 21: can drive viral the side stories around them. But the

981
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 21: swearing thing is controllable. Yeah, and these guys are under contract,

982
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Speaker 21: and I would you know, I don't want to be

983
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Speaker 21: all parental or prude as you as the lad that

984
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Speaker 21: you use, but I just think someone needs to remind them.

985
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Speaker 21: When you've got a microphone in front of you, our

986
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Speaker 21: expectations are you are not going to swear interesting?

987
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Speaker 2: Okay, Gregor listen, thank you for running us through that.

988
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. We'll discuss a little bit more on

989
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 2: the huddle. Let's Gregor Paul, the Herald's Rugby writer here.

990
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: The midwifery training is so much shorter than GPS and

991
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 2: nurse practitioners. They can't seriously compare themselves to either of

992
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: those healthcare professionals. Five twenty two.

993
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Speaker 3: Checking the point of the story.

994
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Speaker 1: It's hither duplicyl and drive with one New Zealand let's

995
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: get connected and use dogs.

996
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: They'd be.

997
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: We get in quite the reaction to Gregor, and let

998
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: me tell you, a lot of it is in agreement

999
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 2: with them. Hither I totally agree with him. Sorry, you're

1000
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: out of line. Talent is entertainment, not ugly man. Thank you.

1001
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: Sarah five twenty five. Listen, I am so frustrated today

1002
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: at how the media report what Donald Trump says. Okay,

1003
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: because I was reading the Guardian this morning. This was

1004
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Speaker 2: the headline Trump says, we just want to be friends

1005
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: as Canadian MP torpedoes fifty first state idea. Now that

1006
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: headline is basically pretending that Donald Trump was really going

1007
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: to annex Canada, like that was really a threat, like

1008
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: he was going to get as military out and he

1009
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: was going to annex Canada, or he was gonna buy it.

1010
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: But thank god for Mark Carney turning up at the

1011
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: White House and torpedoing it. I mean, come on. It

1012
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: wasn't just the Guardian, by the way, I don't want

1013
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: to be unfair to them. It was also similar and

1014
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: less egregious headlines on the BBC SkyTV local news here

1015
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. The list goes on Donald Trump. Just

1016
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: for the record, for everybody who took that seriously, Donald

1017
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: Trump was not going to take over Canada. It was

1018
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: a joke. We all know that because seriously, think it through.

1019
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: How was he gonna do it? Just like him posing

1020
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: a picture of himself as the Pope was a joke,

1021
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: but people got angry about it, just like him talking

1022
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: about running for a third term, which people got angry

1023
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: about as well. He is doing this deliberately to troll you.

1024
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: You do realize that, right, And he's admitted this. He

1025
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: said the other day that the reason that he talked

1026
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: about running for a third term was to troll the media.

1027
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: Now the media are going to have to start using

1028
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 2: a little bit of discernment here and start running Start

1029
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 2: treating Trump like what he is basically, which is a buffoon,

1030
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: not a serious person. Stop running everything that he says

1031
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: like it's a real threat because it's not. Because what's

1032
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: happening is that by running it like it is serious

1033
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: and a real threat, the media is making themselves look

1034
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: bad because they are deliberately misrepresenting what they know to

1035
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: be jokes. Right, and it means that he wins because

1036
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: he's trolling for a reason. He is trolling to bait

1037
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: the media and prove that they are out to get him,

1038
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 2: and that's what he has done today. Heather Doup the Outlet,

1039
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: as I told you we haven't got through to the

1040
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: third reading of this, well, I think we're on the

1041
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: third reading now of this pay equity thing. This is

1042
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: because the opposite opposition MP's are filibustering. Here is the

1043
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: kind of thing they're doing speaking. Here is the deputy speak.

1044
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: Barbara Kuruger.

1045
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 15: Francisco Hernandez's table. Amendment to clause one to change the

1046
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 15: title to unequal pay Entrenchment Bill is out of order.

1047
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 15: Change the title to equal pay, War on Workers' Amendment

1048
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,479
Speaker 15: Bill is out of order. Change the title to equal pay.

1049
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 15: Thoughts and prayers, but your salary won't get higher. Amendment

1050
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 15: bill is out of order as merely an attempt to

1051
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 15: criticize the bill. Doctor Lawrence Eunan's table amendment to clause

1052
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 15: one to change the title to equal pay punch down

1053
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 15: on low paid New Zealander's Amendment bill is out of

1054
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 15: order as being merely an attempt to criticize the bill,

1055
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 15: Doctor Lawrence UNUS Table amendment to Clause one to change

1056
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 15: the title to equal pay or on Woman Amendment Bill

1057
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 15: is out of order.

1058
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: Oh thank god, there'ill be grown up in there. Thank

1059
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 2: god for that. Thank god. They're not wasting their time

1060
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: and there are they No, No, they're being grown ups,

1061
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: just like like our mate Donald Trump. Heather, it's not

1062
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: a joke, it's a threat. What do you think he

1063
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: was going to do? Do you think he was going

1064
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: to get the soldiers who was going to pull the

1065
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: soldiers around from around the world and get them to

1066
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 2: line up on the border and just march through Canada

1067
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: and take it over. Do you think that's what I

1068
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: think it's through? Jeez, Transpouer.

1069
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 4: Next, Ah, this.

1070
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 3: Lean talking after making the news.

1071
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: The newsmakers talk to Hither first, it's Hither due to

1072
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: see Ellen drive with one New Zealand.

1073
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: Let's get connected and news talks. They'd be.

1074
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: Can talk about the fairies. After six we got the

1075
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: huddle standing by just really quickly. Did you know this guy?

1076
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: This is a big conference going on in Auckland to

1077
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: discuss the super city because it's fifteen years since the

1078
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: supercity and this shocked me. Simmey and Brown said, I

1079
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: think it was Simmy and Brown might have been actually

1080
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Speaker 2: Wayne Brown. I don't know. I just saw Brown. Come

1081
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 2: to think of it as probably Wayne Brown. Anyway, never mind,

1082
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: there is get a load of this one hundred and

1083
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: forty nine elected members in Auckland. I double checked it

1084
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Speaker 2: with Simeon Brown's office. Is absolutely correct. There are one

1085
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty nine members who are elected in the

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Speaker 2: city of Auckland, which has got like have we even

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Speaker 2: got two million people here? This is counselors and local

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Speaker 2: boards and stuff like it. Isn't that the problem with

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Speaker 2: the super city. It's that it's way too complicated. I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't even know I Number one, I didn't know that

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Speaker 2: there was that many, and number two I couldn't name

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Speaker 2: any of them. So there's your problem, right that needs

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Speaker 2: to be scaled right back anyway, and just the wage cost. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk to a chap called Graham Quirk

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Speaker 2: who used to be the Lord Mayor of Brisbane. He's

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Speaker 2: going to be with us in an hour's time, just

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Speaker 2: get his take on whether that's too many. Twenty three

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Speaker 2: away from six now Transpower. Transpower wants to replace the

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Speaker 2: Coock Straight power cables that link the North and South Island.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing that comes with the huge price

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Speaker 2: tag one point four billion dollars and if the Commerce

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Speaker 2: Commission approves this, the cost will be passed on to

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Speaker 2: us the customers. James Keilty is the new chief executive

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Speaker 2: of Transpower.

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Speaker 25: Hey James, hello, how are you very well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you now, James, I that this thing was going

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Speaker 2: to cost about four hundred and fifty million, So why

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Speaker 2: has it gone up so much in price?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, talking about two different numbers there, head. So the

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Speaker 26: four hundred and fifty million was neven to be very

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Speaker 26: transparent prey Christmas. Around the estimated cost for the cable

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Speaker 26: portion of the project. The project includes at the one

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Speaker 26: point four billion we're talking about today, which is a

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Speaker 26: lot of money.

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Speaker 24: I know.

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Speaker 26: It includes the cables, but also all of the associated

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Speaker 26: works which are a lot around the rest of the projects.

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Speaker 26: There's about five or six projects included in that in

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Speaker 26: that scope, Heather. It's all laid out in our consultation

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Speaker 26: document including the costs, so people can can have.

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Speaker 3: A look at that.

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Speaker 2: So what do we get for one point four billion.

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Speaker 26: Well, you get a continuation the sort of two elements.

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Speaker 26: You get a continuation of the ability to move electricity

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Speaker 26: between the two islands for another forty years. The current cables,

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Speaker 26: there's three cables actually, Heather, coming to the end of

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Speaker 26: their life. They and the associated works are all coming

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Speaker 26: to the end of their life and we need to

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Speaker 26: replace those. That is the vast majority.

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Speaker 3: Of the cost.

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Speaker 26: We're also suggesting that we add one more cable, a

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Speaker 26: fourth cable. And remember these are the cables that offer

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Speaker 26: access to the very best resources around the country to

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Speaker 26: supply electricity at the most affordable, reliable and secure way

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Speaker 26: to customers across New Zealand. And that's what this investment

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Speaker 26: in New Zealand's future is all about. It's another forty

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Speaker 26: year investment and we're suggesting that, planning for the future,

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Speaker 26: we should add a fourth cable to add additional resilience

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Speaker 26: and incapacity between the islands.

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Speaker 2: Right, So, if you get the approval from the com Com,

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Speaker 2: how much is it going to cost me?

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Speaker 26: You won't see anything for a number of years because

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Speaker 26: it will be delivered.

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Speaker 3: We have to book.

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Speaker 26: These things are in such demand internationally, Heather, that we'll book.

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00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 26: We've booked out a Parson's cruise and everything, but you

1147
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 26: won't see it built until twenty thirty and twenty thirty one.

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Speaker 26: After that, over the forty year life of the set,

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00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 26: you'll see a small cost in your bill at home

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Speaker 26: associated with this project. Do you for cover it over

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Speaker 26: forty years?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You spread it out over forty years, do you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yes.

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Speaker 26: The Commuist Comission regulation of US ensures that all our

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00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 26: costs are covered over the life of the asset. And

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00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 26: this is a forty year asset. Hey, maybe it's forty five. Well,

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00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 26: you know, we'll be working very hard to make sure

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Speaker 26: it delivers securely for the long term.

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Speaker 2: Can you say small? What do you mean?

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Speaker 3: Very hard?

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Speaker 19: To put a number on it?

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Speaker 26: To be a few dollars a few dollars a year.

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Speaker 26: By the time it's spread across every connection in the

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Speaker 26: country and spread over forty years, it'll be a reasonably

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Speaker 26: small amount. Remember, your transmission costs are about eight percent

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Speaker 26: of your electricity bill. That's our costs, and we expect

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Speaker 26: that out that proportion, that eight percent proportion of your

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Speaker 26: electricity bill for transmission will remain pretty stable through this project.

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Speaker 2: James Listen, thanks very much for your time. Appreciated. The

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Speaker 2: James Keilty, the chief executive of Transpower.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find your

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Speaker 1: what of a kind?

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Speaker 2: On the huddle of this this evening we have Jack

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Speaker 2: tame Q and a host and host of Saturday Mornings

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Speaker 2: here on ZB and Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union.

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Speaker 2: Hire you too, Jack. I think that the pay equity

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Speaker 2: thing is going to cost the government in political capital.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree?

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Speaker 25: Maybe around the margins, but I think you would have

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00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 25: to dispel any degree of cynicism whatsoever not to link

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Speaker 25: the announcement yesterday and the subsequent actions with the budget

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Speaker 25: and what a two weeks time fifteen days time? And

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Speaker 25: I think for although it might cost them some support

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Speaker 25: for those people who are most likely to be caught

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Speaker 25: up in these deals or affected by these deals.

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Speaker 24: If the government is.

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Speaker 25: Able to argue successfully throughout the budget that ultimately this

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Speaker 25: is going to be spending that is redirected into other areas,

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Speaker 25: then I don't think it will necessarily interesting.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So do you think so this is not a

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00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: bad move political from the government? If so, why is

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Speaker 2: that on? Let me think just want to finish this thought.

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Speaker 2: If so, why is the National Party iffye on it

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Speaker 2: and scared.

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Speaker 24: Well, it's such bad lawmaking.

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Speaker 25: Surely we can all agree like to come out of

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Speaker 25: to come out of nowhere without or the usual kind

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Speaker 25: of democratic framework that you would have for a law

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Speaker 25: change of this substance, like a select committee process.

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Speaker 24: And without a regulatory impact statement.

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Speaker 25: I mean, we don't know what this law change is

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00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 25: necessarily going to achieve because we haven't actually had an

1204
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Speaker 25: opportunity to consider any of that. And I think, you know,

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00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 25: there is a certain irony given you know, some of

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Speaker 25: the some of the members of the act Party who

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00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 25: have I think quite rightly talked about the importance of

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00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 25: regulatory standards in lawmaking making, to come out with zero

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00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 25: notice whatsoever and drop this as that had yesterday, I

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Speaker 25: don't think set's a great standard for lawmaking.

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Speaker 2: Why are you making that funny noise, Jordan Oh, I

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00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: mean it's returning the law to back to what it was.

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Speaker 27: We've been having this chat inside the Taxpayers Union that

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00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 27: the Tea you have taken the principal position that we

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00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 27: actually don't you know, we think even a truncated select

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00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 27: committee would.

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00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 3: Have been better than nothing.

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00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 27: But we had a former Minister of Finance joining us

1219
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Speaker 27: today on the staff call, and she was saying, look

1220
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 27: that this is simply this could have easily been a

1221
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 27: budget measure.

1222
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: What the change in the law.

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00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 27: Yes, it's bad politics. Yes there's probably a political cost

1224
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 27: with the NATS terrified about it.

1225
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 3: Was actually inevitable.

1226
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 27: But the thing is is this law and it's not

1227
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 27: about protecting people from nasty employers that are paying men

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Speaker 27: more than women.

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Speaker 3: It is quite literally.

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Speaker 27: Justifying enormous pay increases by the public sector unions. We

1231
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 27: are getting nurses compared to engineers or what was the

1232
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 27: that nurses compared to lawyers. It's bonkers, and we've got

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00:56:59,200 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 27: no money heither.

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Speaker 2: No, I totally agree. Look, I think that this is

1235
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 2: the right thing to do, Jordan, but I think that

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00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: they're doing this the wrong way right. First of all, ACT,

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00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: as I said at the very start of the program,

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Speaker 2: ACT has been criticizing the previous labor government for doing

1239
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 2: things under urgency because basically it gets around process. Yet

1240
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: they're doing exactly the same thing, and then this comes

1241
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: without any announcement whatsoever. We pretend it's got nothing to

1242
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: do with the budget. All of that shiftiness and cowardice

1243
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: and stuff that's what makes it look bad rather than

1244
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: just owning the decision.

1245
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: No, that can all be true.

1246
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 27: Okay, let me put my constitutional lawyer hat on back

1247
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 27: in the day that you know, used to be a lawyer. Yeah,

1248
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 27: you're absolutely right. You know, a bad process, you know, terrible.

1249
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 27: Let me put the real politic on. Yes, that the

1250
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 27: government could go through even a truncated select committee process

1251
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 27: and play into the public sector union's hands with a

1252
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 27: scare mongering campaign that you know that the government wants

1253
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 27: to keep wages low. The reality is this decision was inevitable.

1254
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 27: It was classic labor party pass the law, don't fund

1255
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 27: the consequence. It's been used and we can see it

1256
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 27: literally in the figures of enormous pay increases in the

1257
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 27: public sector, with a lot more to come. We are

1258
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 27: borrowing forty five million dollars a day. Nikola Willis is

1259
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 27: borrowing more than a billion dollars a month. It was

1260
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 27: inevitable this happened. The question is what is the best

1261
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 27: way to do it. This is at least better than

1262
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Speaker 27: what I would have expected, which it would have been

1263
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Speaker 27: a budget day or budget night measure. At least they

1264
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 27: are getting out ahead and stark in that conversation.

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Speaker 24: Can I just add one little caveat?

1266
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 25: I mean, one of the things that makes the events

1267
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 25: of the last thirty six hours or so unique is

1268
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 25: that this is retrospective. This goes back and changes stuff

1269
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 25: that's already in place. And so at the very least,

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00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 25: I mean, there's retrospective, isn't it. I mean we can't dipute.

1271
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 27: Well, I think that there's a more legitimate criticism there,

1272
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 27: and that's this our ageous change in the banking regulation

1273
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 27: to protect the banks from us.

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00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 2: Don't get me started.

1275
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not named all though, right, it can,

1276
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't does effect.

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Speaker 27: You know that the negotiations that are midway through, or

1278
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 27: the claims that are midway through, but that you know,

1279
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 27: the unions are licking their lips over like this is

1280
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 27: a fiscal decision because, as I say, it was classic labor,

1281
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 27: you know, past the law. Good intention sounds wonderful, you know,

1282
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 27: unicorn and fairies, but there's simply.

1283
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 3: No bit money. Yes, think select Yeah that's true. I

1284
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 3: totally agree with that.

1285
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 27: And into the select committee process.

1286
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, were you going to defend it or was

1287
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: that the end of that sentence?

1288
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 24: We lost them?

1289
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: I think you explained to me what just happened. Jeez,

1290
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Speaker 2: he's a bit he's a bit young to be a boomer,

1291
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: isn't it. Anyway, We'll take a break and see if

1292
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 2: we can get that boomer back on the front. By

1293
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: the way, David Parker is doing his valedatory statement at

1294
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: the moment. We'll keep an eye on that to see

1295
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: if there's anything juicy in that. And I want him

1296
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: to spill the T fourteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve

1298
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: extraordinary results with unparalleled reach.

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Speaker 2: Right back with the huddle, Jack Tame Jordan Williams, Jordan,

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Speaker 2: when you're back with us?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, public interest journalism fun cuting off.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen, Jordan, I guess to tell me what do

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Speaker 2: you make again? I'm gonna read your text right here.

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Speaker 2: The stop down playing Trump's risk. Yes, he's unhinged. He's

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Speaker 2: already proven that by what you call a joke today

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Speaker 2: may be an executive order tomorrow. This is because I

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Speaker 2: was arguing, when you stop reporting this stuff like annexing

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Speaker 2: Canada as if it's serious, because it's not. It's a joke.

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Speaker 2: But evidently some people find it serious. What do you

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Speaker 2: actually believe he's gonna do it? What do you think?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, but do you think that actually suggesting that your

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Speaker 27: profession ramp up trump rhetoric to eleven just to get

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Speaker 27: more eyeballs. Oh, you couldn't possibly be suggesting that.

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Speaker 2: Could No, not at all. I do not think that

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Speaker 2: they report everything as if it's actually a real life threat,

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Speaker 2: just for the clicks.

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Speaker 27: The problem is for me, Trump's a third rail because

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Speaker 27: if I say something supportive of Trump, my email fools

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Speaker 27: with tax by union supporters saying, you know, the world

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Speaker 27: is at risk. If I say something against him, my

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Speaker 27: inbox also feels. But to be honest, I've straddled that fence.

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Speaker 3: Like there's some that I will admit.

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Speaker 27: I decided midway through the American election campaign that Kamala

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Speaker 27: was so bad and Trump is such a buffern that

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Speaker 27: I had to be rather than sad of either winning,

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Speaker 27: I was going to be happy whoever won. And there

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Speaker 27: is some stuff on the on the policy side, at

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Speaker 27: least first time round, that actually Trump was pretty good

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Speaker 27: at He was a lot more moderate in terms of

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Speaker 27: moderate Republican than Kamala would have been in terms of

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Speaker 27: right out there deem the thing is though, and then

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Speaker 27: but then you get to the tariffs and there's more

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Speaker 27: of the unhinged stuff coming out. It's a it's a

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Speaker 27: real worry. I thought that always the third term stuff

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Speaker 27: was always just rhetoric. But of course that plays up

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Speaker 27: if you are, you know, purist, of course that's going

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Speaker 27: to terrify you. It's a real question of is it

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Speaker 27: all a game for him or or does he mean it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's part okay. So it's part of the

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Speaker 2: problem Jack, that some things are obviously a joke, but

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Speaker 2: some things maybe a joke but maybe serious, and we

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Speaker 2: just can't tell the difference, and so we just decide

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Speaker 2: in the media that everything has to be treated seriously.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I think it is just I think you pretty

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Speaker 25: much hit the nail on the head there. It can

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Speaker 25: just be hard to distinguish what is a joke and

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Speaker 25: what isn't a joke. And the truth is that often

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Speaker 25: once facts are born out, over time the goalposts seem

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Speaker 25: to shift. So for example, remember like Donald Trump was

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Speaker 25: saying that he would like sort out peace.

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Speaker 24: In Ukraine within one day. I think he said it

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Speaker 24: would take him twenty four hours, and now he says

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Speaker 24: that that was a joke. Well, it's funny, Joe.

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Speaker 3: Do you think he knows what? Do you think he

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Speaker 3: just flies kite's?

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Speaker 24: I think he flies kite'es. I think that's exactly what

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Speaker 24: he does.

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Speaker 25: I think he flies kites, throws everything up, and then

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Speaker 25: season wait, somebody comes down.

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Speaker 2: You can't be serious about the jack because then what

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Speaker 2: you're suggesting that he's flying a kite that he that

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Speaker 2: he says so he says this about Canada and the

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Speaker 2: hope that maybe Canada goes it's a great idea. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we'll be part of the US.

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Speaker 24: No.

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Speaker 25: I think I think he's happy to say that it's

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Speaker 25: a joke now. But I think if the response had

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Speaker 25: been slightly different in Canada, then he would pursue a

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Speaker 25: different path.

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Speaker 24: That's how I think he. I think he was.

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Speaker 2: A different path that he annexes Canada.

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Speaker 25: No, no, no, that that he encourages some sort of

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Speaker 25: enormous constitutional shift. I don't think he thinks that he's

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Speaker 25: I don't think he's he's not giving a key for consideration.

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Speaker 24: I mean, the tariffs were a joke. One minute, he

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Speaker 24: was going to put tariffs on the whole world. Hahaha,

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Speaker 24: what a funny idea next minute.

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Speaker 25: I just I think I think a lot of the

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Speaker 25: time he comes out with stuff, I think often he

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Speaker 25: just thinks of it in the moment.

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Speaker 24: When he's standing in front of cameras, there's.

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Speaker 25: All sorts of outrage around the world, and then he

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Speaker 25: waits to see, with a little bit of time how

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Speaker 25: it's actually digested and decides what is a joke and

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Speaker 25: what is a joke. And that's why it kind of

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Speaker 25: feels like such a volatile moment. So but to answer

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Speaker 25: your question whether or not we should treat it all seriously,

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Speaker 25: that's that's perhaps a different question. I mean, I think

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Speaker 25: it seems extremely unlikely Canada's going to become the fifty first.

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Speaker 2: Say yeah, but maybe we won't treat it all seriously. Guys,

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Jack, Dame Jordan Williams. Seven Away

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Speaker 2: from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: at My Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Five away from six David Parker leaving Labor giving his

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Speaker 2: valedictory statement at the moment.

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Speaker 28: I was elected for Labor on twenty seven July two

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Speaker 28: thousand and two, when I won the Otago seat campaign

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Speaker 28: of extraordinaire Pete Hodgson trained me. When I chaired as

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Speaker 28: Electric Committee park Parker in Parliament, I wore a purple

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Speaker 28: checked shirt and every photo and every day people said

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Speaker 28: I'd stolen a tablecloth from a greasy spoon, a fashion crime.

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Speaker 2: We are still waiting for the gossip. He better not

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Speaker 2: let us down, because let's be honest about it. All

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Speaker 2: we want to know is what happened when he quit

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Speaker 2: his job. Do you remember when he did that thing

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Speaker 2: when he was the revenue Minnisot and he's like, I

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Speaker 2: don't want to be the revenue in ministere anymore. And

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Speaker 2: everybody thought it was because I think we all know

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Speaker 2: it was because he didn't get as wealth tax across

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Speaker 2: the line. That's all we want to know. And I

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Speaker 2: want him to spill the beans on that, and I

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Speaker 2: put my money on it that he will because David Parker,

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Speaker 2: like every MP, wants to be known for, you know,

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Speaker 2: being principled and doing all these great things and trying

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Speaker 2: to change the country stuff. And even when they don't

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Speaker 2: change the country, like to talk about how they tried to.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like he's going to have to get

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Speaker 2: to that stage. It's at that point it's some say

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Speaker 2: suit anyway, we will keep you across that because I

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Speaker 2: want the dirt on that obviously. Yeah. Interesting, Okay, So

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Speaker 2: there is an organizers of a long running ann Zac

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Speaker 2: Day parade have come out and talked about the cost

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Speaker 2: that was imposed on them this year and so why

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Speaker 2: they didn't do it. So this is the one in

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Speaker 2: Mount Eden in Auckland. The organizer there says she's been

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Speaker 2: running the thing for twenty years, never had a cost

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Speaker 2: attached to it. But this year when she went to

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Speaker 2: Auckland Council to make sure that the road was blocked

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Speaker 2: because the officers didn't show up last year, the council

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Speaker 2: said it would cost her between seven and thirteen thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars to close the thing down, and so as a result,

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Speaker 2: they decided not to parade on the road. They had

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Speaker 2: to scale it back and they had to parade on

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Speaker 2: a footpath. Now isn't that everything that's wrong with traffic

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Speaker 2: management in this country? Isn't that it right there? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I can understand why the council's charging them because apparently

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Speaker 2: the traffic management plans have to be completed by a

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Speaker 2: site traffic management super things are and then that has

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Speaker 2: to be approved by Aukland Transfer and that comes with

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Speaker 2: a cost. Ah you know, ah, struves you crazy and

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Speaker 2: somebody has to pay that cost. And frankly, obviously, rather

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Speaker 2: than it being us the rate payers, I would much

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Speaker 2: rather that whoever wants to parade pays it. But why

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Speaker 2: do you need that cost? Why don't they just send

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Speaker 2: somebody out there with a couple of road tones and

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Speaker 2: one of those road closed signs, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Just do it on the cheap. Anyway, Hopefully this is

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Speaker 2: the kind of thing that we can deal with when

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Speaker 2: when David Cmore is doing his red tape stuff. News

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Speaker 2: is next that we're going to talk about the ferries.

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Speaker 3: Keeping track of where the money is flowing. The business hour.

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Speaker 1: With hither due for clan players, insurance and investments, Grow

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01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: your wealth, protect your future news talks that be.

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Speaker 2: All right evening coming up over the next hour. The

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Speaker 2: former Lord Mayor of Brisbane is going to talk us

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01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 2: through how we can improve the super city of Auckland

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01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 2: after fifteen years Milford asset management on results from Briscoes

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Speaker 2: and main Freight and so on, and Gavin Gray is

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01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 2: with us out of the UK. David Parker still doing

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Speaker 2: his valedictory statement finally got onto the.

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Speaker 28: Tax and New Zealand now is a tax haven for billionaires.

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Speaker 28: The ssets commonly sit and intergenerational trusts. Pakeerty was right.

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01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 28: The wealthy earn much more than they spend, and they

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Speaker 28: hoover up much more each year. It's always been difficult

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Speaker 28: to convince the other side on tax times. I've found

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Speaker 28: it surprisingly hard on my own side too.

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Speaker 2: Probably hard to convince the public as well. I would

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Speaker 2: have thought eight past six.

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Speaker 3: Here the duplicy Ellen, a little update of.

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Speaker 2: The ferries for you. Six shipyards have been shortlisted and

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Speaker 2: we'll be invited to tender for the chance to build replacements.

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Speaker 2: Chris mackenzie is the chair of Ferry Holdings Limited. Now

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Speaker 2: this is the company that's doing the negotiations for us,

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Speaker 2: and he's with us.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Chris, that night evening.

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Speaker 2: Can you name the six?

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Speaker 19: No is one of them. There are six shipyards and

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Speaker 19: the reason that I wouldn't name them is because the

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Speaker 19: other shipyards will try and do bidding, which you know

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Speaker 19: is not helpful to the process.

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Speaker 2: What do you what do you mean by that? What

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Speaker 2: harm is it?

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Speaker 3: That is?

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Speaker 19: If someone for you used Hoyundi. If the others know

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Speaker 19: Hyundos there, they may very well have the attitude, well

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Speaker 19: why are we doing it? And so to be fair

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Speaker 19: to all of the shipyards that are shortlisted, we are

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Speaker 19: not naming any of them.

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Speaker 2: Because because is that if if Hyunda is one of

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Speaker 2: the six, then everybody will will know that we're most

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Speaker 2: likely to go with Hyundai, so that we don't pray

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Speaker 2: pay the break fee.

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Speaker 19: That's no. What I said is if Hyundai was one

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Speaker 19: of the six and we made that public, and we're

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Speaker 19: not making anything public, then the other shipyards would start

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Speaker 19: to question whether they were in with a chance. And

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Speaker 19: so we will not announce who the six are. We

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Speaker 19: will be announcing the successful shipyard further down the track.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what I was saying. But wouldn't

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Speaker 2: it be helpful to have the name Hyundai out there,

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Speaker 2: because then the other five will know that Hyndi probably

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Speaker 2: has the edge because we don't want to pay the

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Speaker 2: break fee, and so then they will really make good

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Speaker 2: effort and come in low with their price.

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Speaker 19: All right, I can tell you this off my hand

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Speaker 19: on the Bible, Hiondi will not be negotiating the break

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Speaker 19: free as part of this exercise HYONDI if they are

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Speaker 19: in the process a clean sheet Like the other shipyards,

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Speaker 19: the break fee is being negotiated between q Rail and

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Speaker 19: the shipyard and has nothing to do with ferry holdings.

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Speaker 19: We will negotiate with the six shipyards, all of them

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Speaker 19: on the basis that they are all within with a chance,

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Speaker 19: and they will put together the package that they want

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01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 19: us to consider.

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Speaker 2: But Chris, you do realize that you have just confirmed

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01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 2: that Hayundi is part of it. I mean by confirming

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01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: that the break fee is being dealt with separately, you

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01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 2: just confirmed that they're wanted the six though.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not.

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01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 19: What I'm saying is if Hyundai is in the MACS,

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01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 19: the break fee will not enter into our discussions because

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01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 19: that is an issue between qu Rail and Hyundai, and

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01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 19: so that's completely outside the picture. The six shipyards are

1525
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 19: all entering into it with a clean sheet of paper.

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01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 2: Hey, Chris, you're not doing the negotiations yourself, are you.

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01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 19: No, I'm not doing negotiation myself.

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01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 2: Okay.

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01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 19: Our board has gone through pages and pages of information

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01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 19: from the shipyards and we have now put together the

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01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 19: six and our ships program director is now going to

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01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 19: visit those six shipyards.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon?

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01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 24: Right?

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01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 2: So if we're still at the stage where we're just saying, hey,

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01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 2: if you want to be if you want to build

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01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 2: us some ships, send us in your quotes and stuff

1538
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 2: like that, we're at that stage. We're halfway through twenty

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01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 2: twenty five. Are we really going to get boats by

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01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine?

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01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 19: The six shipyards that are shortlisted have all undertaken to

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 19: have the ships here by twenty twenty nine.

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01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but my builders out the back told me they

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01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 2: would have my deck built within three weeks and it's

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01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 2: been seven. So do we actually believe it?

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01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 19: With shipyards they are reasonably accurate with their building timetables.

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01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 2: All right? Yes, right, listen and Chris, thank you. I

1548
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,759
Speaker 2: feel like that that was productive and I really enjoyed

1549
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 2: that very much. That's Chris mackenzie, Faerry Holding's Limited chair.

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01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 2: I mean, Hyunda is part of it now, right, we

1551
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 2: know that. I mean that's pretty obvious. Hey, did you

1552
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,879
Speaker 2: know that India is the world's biggest whiskey market by volume?

1553
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 2: I I did not know that or expect it. Now

1554
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: obviously they have got the numbers. They've got an aedge

1555
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 2: on numbers compared to the rest of us, right, because

1556
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 2: they are the world's most populous country. So obviously, like

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01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: if only ten percent of them drank whiskey while they're

1558
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 2: beating everybody else. But I did not expect that they

1559
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 2: would be huge whiskey drinkers to the extent that they are.

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01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: They drink more than anyone else. And the interesting thing

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01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 2: about it, we know this, by the way, obviously because

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01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 2: of the India UK FTA which has been sided. But

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01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 2: the interesting thing is they are just hovering back that

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01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 2: whiskey despite the tariffs they they they pay duties right

1565
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 2: of up to one hundred and fifty percent for their

1566
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 2: whisky and thus still sucking it back the way they are.

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01:12:58,040 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 2: And that's going to get half to seventy five percent,

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01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: which I think is a brilliant deal. That's just going

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01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 2: to make them drink more whiskey. Also, did you know

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Speaker 2: that India is the third biggest producer of King prawn's

1571
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 2: and that the king Multiple facts coming at you right now.

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Speaker 2: And did you know that king prawns are also known

1573
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Speaker 3: That'd be Hea.

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Speaker 2: The Hyundo purchased steal for the previous ships, so they

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 2: will win. That's from Malcolm Hither. It's going to be Whyunda,

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01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: I've been there and I've seen the operation there. There's

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01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 2: only one place to get ships done. How do you

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01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 2: think the others are going to feel with the other

1605
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: five when when we do actually confirm the very people

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01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 2: that everybody thinks is going to be confirmed in the end, Hyunda,

1607
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 2: do you feel it? I think they're going to feel used.

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01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 2: So I suspect they might be seventeen past six now

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01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 2: Jeremy Hutton Milford Asset Management is with me right now. Hey, Jeremy.

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Speaker 29: Good evening, Heather.

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01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 2: Now, what did you make of the COMMUS Commission clearing

1612
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 2: Contact Energy's acquisition of Manowa Energy.

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01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 29: Yeah, it was somewhat surprising news this morning with the

1614
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 29: Commics Commission approving their acquisition ahead of schedule. So for reference,

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01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 29: Contact Energy they're one of the big four electricity gent

1616
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 29: tailors and they applied last year to acquire Manoa, who

1617
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 29: are the fifth largest player in the generation market. So

1618
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 29: there is a key difference between generation and the retail markets. Now,

1619
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 29: a large generator El Gentaylor acquiring a smaller player on

1620
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 29: the surface could make people a little bit nervous from

1621
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 29: a competition perspective. But the COMMIS Commission went away, they

1622
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 29: did their analysis and review and they said today that

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01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 29: they were satisfied that the acquisition is unlikely to lessen

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01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 29: competition in the retail market and then also unlikely to

1625
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 29: push up electricity prices for consumers.

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01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,480
Speaker 2: So that would imply that increased regulation for the electricity

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01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 2: sectors low.

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01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 29: Yeah, I'd say unlikely. I mean, the pressure is always

1629
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 29: going to be on for more regulation. And the Commis

1630
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 29: Commission did point out in its release that they still

1631
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 29: have some concerns about lack of competition in the market

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01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 29: and there are still a number of reviews underway which

1633
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,560
Speaker 29: the COMMIS Commission is a part of. But under the

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01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 29: law and under competition law, if the Commission did their

1635
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 29: analysis and they believed that the deal wouldn't reduce competition,

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01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 29: then they really have no option but to approve the transaction. Now,

1637
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 29: what I will say is that politicians, they're always going

1638
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,719
Speaker 29: to have a view on this, and we are heading

1639
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 29: into an election next year and the sector does become

1640
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 29: very political, So I do expect a lot more commentary

1641
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 29: on this competition in the run up to the election

1642
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 29: next year.

1643
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about Maine fright now. Main Freights had

1644
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: a very start, a strong start to the main mouth.

1645
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 2: What's going on.

1646
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 29: Yeah, so the main freight's year price that had been

1647
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 29: hit really hard on fares of lower earnings expectations, and

1648
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 29: that's primarily driven from reduced global growth and effectively the

1649
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 29: Trump tariff turmoil. Now, Main Freight they released the trading

1650
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 29: update on Friday and it was a pretty emphatic rebuttal

1651
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,839
Speaker 29: of some of these market expectations of a downgrade. Currently,

1652
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 29: they're only seeing impacts in their Transpacific freight lane, so

1653
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 29: that's the China to US freight lane that we're very

1654
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 29: familiar with. In the US division as well. Now there's

1655
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 29: quite a small part of Main Freight's earning, so it

1656
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 29: doesn't move the dial too much. But most importantly their

1657
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 29: Crown duel divisions, which is Australia and New Zealand, they're

1658
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 29: not seeing any impact at the moment and that was

1659
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,799
Speaker 29: quite surprising to the market. It took it quite positively

1660
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 29: and the share price was up thirteen percent. So if

1661
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 29: that contagion doesn't come down to the side of the

1662
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 29: world so much and keeps limited to the US, then

1663
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 29: the main freight share price should continue to be very strong.

1664
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 2: And then what about Briscoes. They had a trading update today.

1665
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 2: I mean, they had been doing really well, but then

1666
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: they've taken a has and Q one have they.

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01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 29: Yeah, one of widely perceived is one of New Zealand's

1668
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 29: leading retailers, and they reported their start of the year

1669
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 29: sales numbers and just continued to I like to me

1670
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 29: how tough the retail market still is in New Zealand.

1671
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,799
Speaker 29: And then just you know, some of these green shoots

1672
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 29: that we've been expecting, you know, continuing to get pushed out,

1673
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 29: mainly in their homewhere division. You know, they saw their

1674
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 29: sales down almost five percent versus last year. But most importantly,

1675
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 29: they just have some confidence in returning or stronger profits

1676
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 29: in the second half of this year and their forward guidance.

1677
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 29: And I think a lot of other retailers in New

1678
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 29: Zealand will be holding out hope for that as well.

1679
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Jeremy, thanks is always this really good to talk

1680
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 2: to you. That it's Jeremy Hutton Milford Asset Management here.

1681
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 2: That you do know that ninety five percent of the

1682
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 2: whiskey that's consumed in India is domestically produced. I worked

1683
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 2: in whiskey in Scotland and they sell absolutely very little

1684
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 2: to India. Well, that would explain things, wouldn't it. Because

1685
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 2: if you're going to because the rate of coffing is

1686
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 2: just a little bit, it's a bit wild considering the tariffs.

1687
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 2: But if you're actually not getting the good stuff in

1688
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 2: from Scotland and you're just drinking your locally made stuff

1689
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 2: which might be good, which might be good, then that

1690
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 2: would explain that news. You're not paying the terrist. By

1691
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:05,799
Speaker 2: the way, huge whiskey drinker. Myself have taken actually weirdly

1692
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 2: to behaving like my grandmother, and I realized it's weird

1693
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 2: eight As you get older, you become like your mother,

1694
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: and then you start becoming like your grandmother, and then

1695
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 2: you see the patterns my grandma. Because I didn't realize

1696
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 2: this until my little brother pointed this out to me.

1697
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 2: We must have been on holiday or something and I

1698
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 2: took a whiskey to bed, and he was like, oh,

1699
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 2: you're just like Grandma. And I'm like, oh, that's right,

1700
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 2: she used to do that. And it's not like drinking,

1701
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 2: like getting boozed in bed type jobboh, it's like just

1702
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a very specifically woman thing to do.

1703
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 2: It's like when you're in bed, all your jobs end right,

1704
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: nobody can reach you there, nobody. You can't see any

1705
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 2: other work that needs to be done, so you go

1706
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 2: as like a safe haven and you got to take

1707
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 2: your little whiskey. Anyway, loving whiskey, having a wonderful time

1708
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: sipping a little whiskey in bed. And there is a

1709
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 2: whiskey that was suggested to me by my midwife, which

1710
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 2: makes it okay. And right now I cannot I can't

1711
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 2: remember that. Oh Scapegrace. Did you know that scape Grace

1712
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 2: does a whiskey. Their whiskeys are excellent. I just want

1713
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 2: to say, if you are a whiskey drinker and you're

1714
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 2: thinking that New Zealand doesn't do particularly good whiskey, well,

1715
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 2: well have a crack at that. Obviously, sip it and

1716
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: drink it responsibly, and I'll tell you what, Well impressive

1717
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 2: very well impressive. Six twenty three. By the way, ACC

1718
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 2: News hot off the press from the Herald. ACC has

1719
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 2: backtracked on those Maori and Pacifica targets. Do you remember

1720
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 2: that we were talking about it on the show. They

1721
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 2: had put out the tender for cleaning up the manufacturing

1722
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 2: sector's accident rate, but they specifically wanted, you know, like

1723
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 2: this many Maori accidents to be reduced in this many

1724
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 2: Pacifica accidents and stuff. And after act Party had a

1725
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 2: crack at it, it's all gone. So there you go.

1726
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 2: There's a win for the ACT Party on that one.

1727
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 2: Michelle Obama, Can I just talk about Michelle Obama just

1728
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 2: for one second really quickly. Michelle Obama, the former First Lady,

1729
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 2: has revealed that she's in therapy, and I love that

1730
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 2: she's talked about it. This is her talking about it

1731
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 2: in the podcast. I'm sixty years old.

1732
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 22: I've finished a really hard thing in my life with

1733
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 22: my family intact, I'm an empty nester. My girls are

1734
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 22: in you know, they've been launched. And now for the

1735
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 22: first time, as I've said before, every choice that I'm

1736
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 22: making is completely mine. I now don't have the excuse of, well,

1737
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 22: my kids need this, or my husband needs that, or

1738
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,799
Speaker 22: the country needs that. So how do I think about

1739
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 22: this next phase? And let me get some help, let

1740
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 22: me unwind some old habits, let me sort through some

1741
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,919
Speaker 22: old guilt that I've been carrying around.

1742
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 2: So what I love that she's admitted this therapy is

1743
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: a great thing. I think therapy is like, you know,

1744
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 2: like a warrant of fitness for your car, but you

1745
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 2: just go get a little warrant fitness for your brain

1746
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 2: from time to time where you just get frustrated at

1747
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 2: things right. And so what she's learning to do at

1748
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 2: the moment, she was saying is basically say no. Say

1749
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 2: no to things she doesn't want to do, because she's

1750
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 2: basically said yes her whole life. She's looked after the children,

1751
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 2: she looked after the husband, played the role, blah blah blah.

1752
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 2: And to the extent that she said that she's talked

1753
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: about this because remember she skipped Trumpey's inauguration and everybody

1754
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,679
Speaker 2: was like, oh, they're getting divorced. She's like, no, we're

1755
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 2: not getting divorced. I just didn't want to go. And

1756
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 2: she said she's so used to doing what everybody else

1757
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 2: wants that she actually had to tell her team not

1758
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: to get an outfit ready just in case she changed

1759
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 2: her mind, because she was like, if they get an

1760
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 2: outfit ready, just in case I changed my mind, I

1761
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 2: will change my mind and then do the right thing.

1762
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 2: So she made it as impossible for herself to change

1763
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 2: your mind as possible. I just I just think we

1764
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 2: need to we need to learn to say no a

1765
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 2: little bit more. I'm trying to teach the husband that heither.

1766
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 2: If you like Scapegrace, then do yourself a favor and

1767
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 2: try the Pocono. Hands down the best dram coming out

1768
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 2: of New Zealand at the moment. What do you take

1769
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 2: me for, Matt. Of course I've tried the Pocono. I'm

1770
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 2: a two cow girl. It was I hit it immediately,

1771
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 2: just for you know, patriotic reasons. Headline's next, we can dance.

1772
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 3: We can dance on that everything from SMS to the

1773
01:22:59,439 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 3: big corp.

1774
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: It's a business hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Ma

1775
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: has insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

1776
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 3: These talks a b.

1777
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 2: And I am disappointed, but not altogether surprise to tell

1778
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 2: you that, in fact, David Parker revealed nothing at all

1779
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: about the business between himself and Grant Robertson, which is

1780
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 2: the only thing that we cared about. So that was

1781
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 2: that was ultimately a waste of everybody's time and everybody

1782
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 2: who has watched the speech has described it as boring.

1783
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 2: So there you go, don't worry about it. The BBC,

1784
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 2: by the way, this is post that Harry interview. The

1785
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: BBC has had to it's kind of blown back on them.

1786
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: They've admitted they had a lapse and standards over the

1787
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 2: BBC interview. The key thing, the key problem there this

1788
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 2: is the one with Harry. The key problem is that

1789
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 2: Harry accused the establishment of a establishment stitch up in

1790
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 2: not giving him his security and removing the security from him. Now,

1791
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 2: what the BBC should have done, that's the responsibility of

1792
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,679
Speaker 2: the Home Office. And also he's obviously impugned his own

1793
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 2: family in that. So what the BBC should have done

1794
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 2: was gone to the Home Office and then got a

1795
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: statement and said what their version of that is, and

1796
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 2: also gone to Buckingham Palace and said what their version

1797
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 2: of that is. And they didn't do either of those things,

1798
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 2: and so they're getting blowback for that. Twenty three away

1799
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 2: from seven ever, do for ce Ellen Gavin Gray is

1800
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 2: going to be with us out of the UK in

1801
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,719
Speaker 2: about ten minutes time, onto something else. It's been fifteen

1802
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 2: years since Auckland became a super city, and prominent Aucklanders

1803
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 2: have been debating how to shape the city over the

1804
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 2: next fifteen years. Today at a conference various views, support

1805
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 2: for a bed tax and so on. Graham Quirk is

1806
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 2: the former Lord Mayor of Brisbane who was there. He

1807
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,759
Speaker 2: spoke to the conference today about his experience in bringing

1808
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 2: the twenty thirty two Olympics to Brisbane.

1809
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 11: Hi Graham, Hello, Hello, how are you very well?

1810
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 24: Thank you?

1811
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 2: So what did you tell the conference? What was your message?

1812
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 11: Well, I mean fifteen years as a significant milestone for Auckland.

1813
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 11: Brisbane this year will celebrate one hundred years since it

1814
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 11: was a multimated from twenty councils into a single local authority,

1815
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 11: and so today's message was really about looking to identify

1816
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 11: those things that Auckland needs. Public surveys are great, we

1817
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 11: need to find out what people want, but we also

1818
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 11: need to look I think beyond that, and that is

1819
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,839
Speaker 11: what does the city actually need to progress its future?

1820
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 11: And so some of those answers, of course will be

1821
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 11: within the public surveys, but there will be other things.

1822
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 11: And I was outlining some of the things that I

1823
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 11: undertook as Lord Mayor which weren't obvious to the general public,

1824
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 11: but which became very successful parts of our city and

1825
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 11: which has helped to shape us and position us to

1826
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 11: be ready for a twenty thirty two Olympic and Paralympic Games.

1827
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: Like what did you do well?

1828
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 11: One of the things that we do discovered was we

1829
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 11: hadn't had a new four or five star hotel built

1830
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 11: in the city ten years just after I became mayor,

1831
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 11: and so in order to rectify that, I needed to

1832
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 11: put out an incentive. Now, I decided to remove all

1833
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 11: infrastructure and develop a contribution charges for anyone that built

1834
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 11: a new four or five star hotel in the city. Now,

1835
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 11: normally if you go out and asked ratepayers could you

1836
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 11: do that, they'd say, by hell you can. But I

1837
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 11: did it and the result was astonishing. We had twenty

1838
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 11: five new hotels built in the next five year period.

1839
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 11: You know, everything from international investors from the UK, Singapore,

1840
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 11: Taiwan and many from around Australia came and invested and

1841
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 11: we as a result, had this brand new set of

1842
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 11: hotels in the city, and not only in the central

1843
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 11: part of the city, but also in some of the

1844
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 11: suburban areas. Four and a half star hotels were built

1845
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 11: there and so I've proven to be successful. So what

1846
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 11: it was about was multiplying the accommodation, giving a modern

1847
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 11: tourism opportunity and offering, and it proved to be very successful.

1848
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 2: Do you have a view on what Auckland needs, what

1849
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 2: are we missing to make ourselves a great city?

1850
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Speaker 11: Well, I didn't come to this morning's conference with a

1851
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 11: perspective of knowing about Auckland. We've had a sister city

1852
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 11: relationship with Auckland now Brisbane and Aukland for a long time,

1853
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 11: but it's been six years since I left office, and

1854
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 11: I didn't pretend in any way to be on top

1855
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 11: of Auckland's issues. Today there was some discussion, certainly around

1856
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 11: traffic congestion, and I did sort of talk about some

1857
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 11: of the things that we had done in Brisbane to

1858
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 11: address those issues. Things for most councils around the world

1859
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 11: probably would be beyond reach. But we're a similar size

1860
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 11: to the council now the Amalgamated Council in Auckland, and

1861
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 11: we took some brave steps of building you know, five

1862
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 11: kilometer tunnels. We've built several of those. We've we've undertaken

1863
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 11: several cross river bridges for both vehicular movement and public transport,

1864
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 11: pedestrian and cycling opportunities, and we've been able to fund those,

1865
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 11: not just get approval and do them, but to actually

1866
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 11: fund them. So we've come to the table with a

1867
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 11: fairly strong agenda and we outline outline this morning some

1868
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 11: of the ways in which that can be done.

1869
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 2: Now, Graham, there is an interesting thing that's going on

1870
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 2: at the moment, which it appears is that the punters

1871
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 2: of Auckland, having gone for the super city, are now

1872
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 2: not altogether happy with the super city. And I think

1873
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 2: part of it is probably you know, they don't feel

1874
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: represented or whatever. But the thing that struck me reading

1875
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 2: about this today is we have one hundred and forty

1876
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 2: nine elected members for a city that's about two million people.

1877
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 2: That sounds like way too many.

1878
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 30: What do you think, Yeah, We've I've got you know,

1879
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,919
Speaker 30: one point five million people in the Brisbane City Council

1880
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 30: and we have twenty six representatives. You know, look back

1881
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 30: back one hundred years ago when they amalgamated twenty and

1882
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 30: to one here. Yeah, I was pretty brave whoever did that.

1883
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 30: But look it's not even questioned here in Brisbane telling

1884
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 30: me if.

1885
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 2: You only have twenty six elected members, do you not

1886
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 2: have local boards and wards and all that kind of

1887
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 2: carry on.

1888
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 11: No, really, the local representatives they have a similar size electorate.

1889
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 11: So we have state governments here in Australia of course,

1890
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 11: and the ward councilor as local councilors have the same

1891
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 11: size elector to say a state member of Parliament. So

1892
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 11: it is big. They have, you know, about twenty five

1893
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 11: to thirty thousand elected representatives in each of their electoral divisions,

1894
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 11: their wards we call them. And but people accepted here

1895
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 11: there is you know, still the ability to get around

1896
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 11: to the sco rule of pncs and the sporting clubs

1897
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 11: and do all those things you need to do. You

1898
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 11: do you get the same access that you might have

1899
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 11: had where you have a council of representing say three

1900
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 11: or four thousand people, as perhaps the pre amalgamation will

1901
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 11: know you don't. But that's a price you pay for

1902
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 11: the economy of scale and the bigger things you can

1903
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:23,879
Speaker 11: do with an amalgamated council.

1904
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 2: Graham, how fascinating it. Thanks very much, really appreciate it.

1905
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 2: Graham Quirk, former Lord Mayor of Brisbane. The survey out

1906
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 2: today showed that only eighteen percent of Aucklanders felt that

1907
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 2: they had influence over council decisions. Eighteen percent, like, what's that?

1908
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 2: Not even one in five? That probably, I think is

1909
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 2: the very reason that we have the low voter turn

1910
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 2: out at local body elections, don't you think because it

1911
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter. People think it doesn't really matter. It

1912
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who you vote for. You don't get a

1913
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 2: say over it. Hither have you tried the peanut butter whiskey.

1914
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 2: There are a couple of brands in the market. It

1915
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 2: just takes it to the next level. No, Jenny, thank you.

1916
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: Seventeen away from seven.

1917
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1918
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:06,440
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Hinder Dupliclen and who Mayor's Insurance

1919
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future?

1920
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 3: News talks v.

1921
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 2: Kanye by the way, I mean to talk about Kanye

1922
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 2: and I haven't got around to or do that very shortly.

1923
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 2: It's fourteen away from seven with me right now? Is

1924
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray out of the UK. Hey, Gevin, hi there

1925
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 2: head listen this business about the Indian workers through on

1926
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 2: the FTA. How do you think this is going to

1927
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 2: go down?

1928
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 31: Yeah, it's interesting. So the government really herald in this

1929
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 31: free trade agreement yesterday saying how much it'll add to

1930
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 31: the economy and it has taken three years to get here.

1931
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,600
Speaker 31: So there would have been other MPs who were in

1932
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 31: the government now on the soup position side, who were

1933
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 31: thinking we should have got this through because of the

1934
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 31: good publicity. But as people have been pouring over some

1935
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Speaker 31: of the fine detail, some of them are saying, now,

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Speaker 31: actually there's lines in it which will mean that British

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Speaker 31: workers are seriously undercut. So one aspect of this free

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Speaker 31: trade agreement is that there will be an exemption on

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Speaker 31: paying national insurance contributions from one to three years. Nationally

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Speaker 31: insurance contributions are something that often the employer will pay

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Speaker 31: for every employee they have. The government recently put it

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Speaker 31: up for everyone and that has led to several large

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Speaker 31: national chains saying well, I'm afraid we're probably either going

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Speaker 31: to have to put our prices up now or get

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Speaker 31: rid of people make them redundant, because these are costing

1946
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Speaker 31: in some instances roughly twenty thousand New Zealand dollars per

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Speaker 31: employee per year. So it's big beer and the idea

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Speaker 31: that Indian workers maybe had to come in and not

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Speaker 31: pay that means of course there'll be much cheaper to

1950
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Speaker 31: hire effectively for the employer. And so yeah, Liberal Democrats,

1951
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Speaker 31: the Conservative Party and Reform are saying this is a

1952
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Speaker 31: massive mistake. We've opened the doors here and although Labour

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Speaker 31: has said no, there's no change in the immigration law,

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Speaker 31: I think it will lead to many people thinking that's

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Speaker 31: going to be a cheaper person to employ because I

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Speaker 31: don't have to pay those an actual insurance contributions.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin, can I just keep it up to at

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Speaker 2: me on something?

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Speaker 19: Right?

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Speaker 2: So yesterday we were being told that Labor was not

1961
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Speaker 2: was potentially going to reverse the situation with the winter

1962
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Speaker 2: energy payments. What is it now?

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Speaker 31: Yeah, No, they're saying they're not going to reverse that. Indeed,

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Speaker 31: the Guardian is reporting one of the big papers here

1965
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Speaker 31: that they're raising the earnings threshold to qualify for the payment.

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Speaker 31: That might be something they're looking at, but the actual

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Speaker 31: scrapping of it is not going to happen. So these

1968
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Speaker 31: winter fuel payments there are a lump sum of roughly

1969
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Speaker 31: four hundred and forty New Zealand dollars a year for

1970
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Speaker 31: pensioners under the age of eighty, it's six hundred and

1971
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Speaker 31: sixty New Zealand dollars for the over eighties. It's paid

1972
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Speaker 31: in November and December, and it is effectively paid to

1973
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Speaker 31: try and help them with their heating bills. And Labor

1974
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Speaker 31: really cracked down on it and effectively scrapped it for

1975
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Speaker 31: almost most pension as anyway, in a bid to save

1976
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Speaker 31: three and a bit billion pounds year. But that has

1977
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Speaker 31: affected roughly nine million pensioners. And for a party that

1978
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Speaker 31: says it's the party of the people and was going

1979
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Speaker 31: to look after those who are the most vulnerable in society,

1980
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Speaker 31: this seemed to fly directly in the face of that,

1981
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Speaker 31: which was why the Health Secretary over the weekend said that, yeah,

1982
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Speaker 31: we did badly in the local council elections last week,

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Speaker 31: predominantly because people did not like that measure. However, the

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Speaker 31: leader of the Labor Party, the Prime Minister, is saying

1985
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Speaker 31: we're not changing that. It's money we can't afford. We

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Speaker 31: have to make these upcuts for the good, the overall

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Speaker 31: common good. Even though many pensioners. Yes, won't like it.

1988
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's getting a bit missy, isn't it. No new Listen,

1989
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Speaker 2: how long have we got before the cardinals hit into

1990
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Speaker 2: the conclive.

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Speaker 31: Well, at the moment the cardinals are getting ready to

1992
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Speaker 31: effectively go into mass. That mass is like the precursor

1993
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Speaker 31: to the start of the whole first day, and that

1994
01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 31: begins in an hour and ten minutes when sent Peter's Silica.

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Speaker 31: It'll be televised and then in the afternoon the mobile

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Speaker 31: phone signal within the territory of the Vatican will be deactivated,

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Speaker 31: and indeed the cardinals will be asked to leave their

1998
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Speaker 31: mobile phones to one side. No radios, no televisions, no Internet,

1999
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Speaker 31: and the one hundred and thirty three electors of the

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Speaker 31: new Pope will then process later this afternoon, in roughly

2001
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 31: eight hours time to the Sistine Chapel. There they'll sing

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01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 31: a litany and then the business starts, and that is

2003
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 31: effectively where the doors are locked, the conclave begins and

2004
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Speaker 31: we wait to see who is going to be voted

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Speaker 31: in as the next Pope, and everyone of course looking

2006
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 31: up at the chimneys from outside the building in order

2007
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:46,599
Speaker 31: to see when the white smoke is issued indicating there

2008
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 31: has been a successful election. Incidentally, in the last two

2009
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 31: elections it hasn't taken more than two days, but in

2010
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 31: the past it has taken several days.

2011
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Speaker 24: So we'll see where this goes.

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Speaker 31: A very very interesting election because so many of the

2013
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 31: cardinals were appointed by the previous pope, meaning not many

2014
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 31: of them this time around are European. In fact, less

2015
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Speaker 31: than half and that is the first time in history.

2016
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Speaker 2: Interesting. Hey, Gevin, thanks very much, appreciate it. Gavin Gray,

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Speaker 2: UK Correspondent. So I watched Conclave. That's been controversial in

2018
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Speaker 2: this particular amongst my group of friends and colleagues because

2019
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Speaker 2: I would look, I'm not going to give you any spoilers,

2020
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 2: but if you haven't watched Conclave, you should watch Conclave.

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Speaker 2: As half of my friends and colleagues think the ending

2022
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 2: is just ridiculous, like lines like four fifths of the

2023
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 2: movie were absolutely great and I loved it, but they

2024
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 2: didn't have to go that ridiculous at the end of that.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't think the ending was ridiculous at all.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like if you think the ending was ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: it's because you don't understand the poetry of the ending

2028
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 2: and the meaning of the ending, and the point that

2029
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 2: the book, now a film, was trying to make. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I strongly recommend you watch it. You've got eight hours

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Speaker 2: to watch it before the actual conclave starts. Away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB six.

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Speaker 2: Away from seven. Now Kanye West. Okay, so Kanye West

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Speaker 2: has stormed out this afternoon of an interview with Piers Morgan.

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Speaker 2: The interview was going for two minutes. Two minutes and

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Speaker 2: two minutes is all it takes to get on the

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Speaker 2: goat of Piers of Kanye West, and out he goes.

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Speaker 2: And it basically so it starts off with I just

2040
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Speaker 2: think Kanye was in the mood to be irritated. Started

2041
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Speaker 2: off with Piers Morgan calling him Kanye West, and then

2042
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Speaker 2: Kanye is like, no, I don't call me Kanye West.

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Speaker 2: You have to call me Yee because I don't want

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Speaker 2: to be called West because it's a slave name. And

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Speaker 2: so then Piers Morgan calls him Yee. But then Pierce

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Speaker 2: offends him by talking about how many followers he's got

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Speaker 2: on social media.

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Speaker 3: This is what you get for now, we can.

2049
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 2: We can circle back when you can count.

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Speaker 6: I watch what you put are on at you got

2051
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Speaker 6: thirty two million followers, so you're one of the most

2052
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Speaker 6: followed people.

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Speaker 14: See wait now, look look at look right now.

2054
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Speaker 2: You're not going to take You're not going to take

2055
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Speaker 2: inches off my bro.

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Speaker 3: Like, how many followers do you have.

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Speaker 6: Or how many?

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01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 3: Is it? I think you could do the study. You

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Speaker 3: got a whole staff over there.

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Speaker 6: I'm telling you're thirty three million now, so congratulations, you're

2061
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 6: slightly bigger following than I thought.

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Speaker 2: No, congratulations, your information is correct. Oh my gosh, I mean,

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Speaker 2: who cares when you're a grown up how many followers

2064
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Speaker 2: you've got? And if you've got thirty three million follows,

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Speaker 2: what does it matter? If Piers Morgan thinks you've got

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Speaker 2: thirty two million, you've still got more than the average

2067
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Speaker 2: bloke anyway, then Piers Morgan, because he's a grown up

2068
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 2: as well, isn't He went on social media and said

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Speaker 2: Kanye West is a sniveling little coward who didn't want

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01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 2: me to ask him why he's become a vile hitler

2071
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 2: loving Nazi slathering anti simmit, happy to continue the enemy

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01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,680
Speaker 2: when and if you grow a pair at Kanye West honestly,

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Speaker 2: Jay's and.

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Speaker 8: Shaker Tail Feather from the film The Blues Brothers to

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Speaker 8: play us out tonight, Heather. The band is getting back together.

2076
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:10,559
Speaker 8: The Blues Brothers are getting a sequel to the film

2077
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 8: sort of. There's going to be a comic book that

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01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,719
Speaker 8: the families of dan Aykroyd and the late John Belushi

2079
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 8: are putting together. It's going to be a sequel and

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01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 8: a love letter to the film. It's going to be

2081
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 8: called The Return of the Blues Brothers The Escape of

2082
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 8: Joliet Jake. And if it does well, they want to

2083
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:26,720
Speaker 8: do a whole cinema at Universe with this thing. They

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01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 8: want to do more films, more TV shows, more everything.

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Speaker 2: So there you go, yay, and thanks very much, appreciate it. Hey,

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Speaker 2: enjoy your evening and we will be back with you tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: He's still zip b.

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Speaker 3: For more from Hither duplessy Alan Drive.

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