1 00:00:06,855 --> 00:00:10,695 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resonant Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp 2 00:00:10,895 --> 00:00:12,015 Speaker 1: from News Talks at b. 3 00:00:19,495 --> 00:00:25,335 Speaker 2: Our House Sizzle, even when it's done, even when the 4 00:00:25,375 --> 00:00:30,415 Speaker 2: grass is over grown in the arm, even when it 5 00:00:30,495 --> 00:00:32,415 Speaker 2: does listen to all to Bar. 6 00:00:33,975 --> 00:00:37,855 Speaker 3: And when you're sitting at the table trying to starve. 7 00:00:39,455 --> 00:00:39,895 Speaker 4: Caesar. 8 00:00:41,615 --> 00:00:43,095 Speaker 1: Even when we are. 9 00:00:43,095 --> 00:00:50,615 Speaker 2: Then we are well, we're late, No, not at all, 10 00:00:50,695 --> 00:00:54,895 Speaker 2: We're perfectly on time. Commentary of course of that fantastic 11 00:00:54,935 --> 00:00:57,215 Speaker 2: test match between All Black and the England's brought to 12 00:00:57,295 --> 00:01:00,895 Speaker 2: us England brought to us live and we waited for 13 00:01:00,935 --> 00:01:04,495 Speaker 2: that to wrap up, and so that's underway. Now it's 14 00:01:04,495 --> 00:01:06,615 Speaker 2: a chance for us to talk all things but building 15 00:01:06,615 --> 00:01:09,015 Speaker 2: and construction this morning on the program. A very good 16 00:01:09,015 --> 00:01:11,855 Speaker 2: morning and welcome along to the show. My name's Pete Wolfcamp, 17 00:01:11,895 --> 00:01:16,335 Speaker 2: the resident Builder, and this to be Frank is a 18 00:01:16,455 --> 00:01:19,135 Speaker 2: show all about your place. It is really all about 19 00:01:19,575 --> 00:01:22,535 Speaker 2: the maintenance that needs to be done the ow maybe 20 00:01:22,535 --> 00:01:25,135 Speaker 2: the extension that you'd like to add, or the compliance 21 00:01:25,135 --> 00:01:29,095 Speaker 2: issues that you need to resolve, or the selection of tradespeople, 22 00:01:29,215 --> 00:01:34,815 Speaker 2: or the choosing of products and items for extensions, renovations, alterations, 23 00:01:35,015 --> 00:01:38,015 Speaker 2: maintenance of your place. So if you've got a building 24 00:01:38,095 --> 00:01:41,215 Speaker 2: question of any description. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten 25 00:01:41,295 --> 00:01:43,455 Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call. You can text as 26 00:01:43,575 --> 00:01:47,535 Speaker 2: always nine to nine two, which is ZEDBZB from your 27 00:01:47,655 --> 00:01:50,055 Speaker 2: mobile phone. And if you'd like to send me an email, 28 00:01:50,175 --> 00:01:53,535 Speaker 2: you're more than welcome. It is Pete, Pete Pete at 29 00:01:53,575 --> 00:01:57,735 Speaker 2: newstalksb dot co dot nz. Trust you've had a good 30 00:01:57,775 --> 00:02:02,175 Speaker 2: week politically, another interesting week in terms of building. And 31 00:02:02,215 --> 00:02:04,335 Speaker 2: I know that I've said this a couple of times, 32 00:02:04,335 --> 00:02:08,255 Speaker 2: but it keeps being proven to be true in that 33 00:02:08,895 --> 00:02:11,975 Speaker 2: I think I've never I can't really recall a time 34 00:02:12,055 --> 00:02:14,175 Speaker 2: in the last ten years, certainly in the ten years 35 00:02:14,175 --> 00:02:17,535 Speaker 2: that we're doing this show we're building has been as 36 00:02:17,655 --> 00:02:21,255 Speaker 2: political as it is right now. So what could be 37 00:02:21,375 --> 00:02:25,495 Speaker 2: quite a significant change in the way that buildings get consented. 38 00:02:26,735 --> 00:02:30,815 Speaker 2: It was mooted announced by the government during the course 39 00:02:30,855 --> 00:02:33,735 Speaker 2: of the week. This is around self certification for certain 40 00:02:33,815 --> 00:02:36,615 Speaker 2: types of buildings. We might talk a little bit more 41 00:02:36,615 --> 00:02:39,095 Speaker 2: about that. If you've got a comment about that, you're 42 00:02:39,095 --> 00:02:41,335 Speaker 2: more than welcome to join me. I was actually at 43 00:02:41,375 --> 00:02:44,015 Speaker 2: home doing a bit of paperwork on Wednesday, I think 44 00:02:44,015 --> 00:02:48,415 Speaker 2: it was when Kerry's producer called and said no, would 45 00:02:48,415 --> 00:02:51,135 Speaker 2: you like to offer up a comment? Certainly after that, 46 00:02:51,215 --> 00:02:53,895 Speaker 2: had a number of conversations with other people in the sector, 47 00:02:54,615 --> 00:02:59,455 Speaker 2: building surveys, building compliance offices, actually owners of a couple 48 00:02:59,455 --> 00:03:02,695 Speaker 2: of building companies around what that might look like, this 49 00:03:02,775 --> 00:03:07,055 Speaker 2: whole self certification. At this stage, I think it's really 50 00:03:07,095 --> 00:03:10,095 Speaker 2: just a headline. This is an idea that we're looking at, 51 00:03:10,095 --> 00:03:12,255 Speaker 2: but I don't know that there is a great deal 52 00:03:12,255 --> 00:03:15,895 Speaker 2: of detail behind that announcement. So if you want to 53 00:03:16,135 --> 00:03:18,695 Speaker 2: comment on that, that'd be absolutely great. If you've got 54 00:03:18,695 --> 00:03:21,335 Speaker 2: a project like I do, that you've got to get 55 00:03:21,455 --> 00:03:23,895 Speaker 2: underway or is underway, and maybe you just need a 56 00:03:23,935 --> 00:03:25,935 Speaker 2: little bit of advice on it, well the lines are 57 00:03:25,975 --> 00:03:28,295 Speaker 2: open for you right now. Oh eight hundred and eighty 58 00:03:28,495 --> 00:03:31,375 Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call. The other thing, 59 00:03:31,495 --> 00:03:33,815 Speaker 2: and this has been it's been on my sort of 60 00:03:33,895 --> 00:03:36,815 Speaker 2: list to do list for quite some time. Every now 61 00:03:36,815 --> 00:03:39,895 Speaker 2: and then, fairly frequently, actually, we end up talking about 62 00:03:40,015 --> 00:03:43,255 Speaker 2: fences and boundaries and the Fencing Act and these sorts 63 00:03:43,295 --> 00:03:45,895 Speaker 2: of things, and I've often said, look, I'm going to 64 00:03:45,935 --> 00:03:47,935 Speaker 2: go out and find someone who's an expert in this 65 00:03:48,095 --> 00:03:49,815 Speaker 2: and get them on the show. Well I've done it. 66 00:03:50,175 --> 00:03:53,455 Speaker 2: I've done it. I've finally cracked it. Ben Thompson from 67 00:03:53,455 --> 00:03:57,055 Speaker 2: Pigeon Judge Lawyers, he's director there, will join me after 68 00:03:57,135 --> 00:03:59,775 Speaker 2: eight o'clock and I sent him a brief list of 69 00:03:59,975 --> 00:04:02,735 Speaker 2: sort of pretty common questions that I've picked up from 70 00:04:02,775 --> 00:04:06,095 Speaker 2: all of your questions over the years to him during 71 00:04:06,135 --> 00:04:08,175 Speaker 2: the course of the week. He came back very succinctly 72 00:04:08,215 --> 00:04:10,175 Speaker 2: and said, Yep, that'd be great. We'll talk about that 73 00:04:10,575 --> 00:04:14,415 Speaker 2: after eight o'clock today. So if you have a specific 74 00:04:14,735 --> 00:04:17,815 Speaker 2: question either about fencing or the Property Act, so we'll 75 00:04:17,815 --> 00:04:20,815 Speaker 2: start with fencing. I think that'll take us most of 76 00:04:20,895 --> 00:04:22,775 Speaker 2: the time that we've got from eight to late thirty 77 00:04:22,855 --> 00:04:26,295 Speaker 2: or thereabouts, but then we could also start getting into 78 00:04:26,295 --> 00:04:31,775 Speaker 2: some of the Property Act legislation that impacts often on 79 00:04:31,855 --> 00:04:35,615 Speaker 2: relationships between neighbors. You know, if my neighbor's tree falls 80 00:04:35,655 --> 00:04:39,135 Speaker 2: over and damages my property, is that my responsibility in 81 00:04:39,175 --> 00:04:42,255 Speaker 2: terms of insurance? Is it my neighbors? Can I go 82 00:04:42,375 --> 00:04:44,255 Speaker 2: to a neighbor and say, hey, look, I'd like you 83 00:04:44,295 --> 00:04:46,695 Speaker 2: to cut that tree down or trim that tree because 84 00:04:46,695 --> 00:04:49,015 Speaker 2: it's blocking the view that I once used to enjoy. 85 00:04:49,175 --> 00:04:50,535 Speaker 2: We'll see if we get to that. But we're going 86 00:04:50,575 --> 00:04:54,295 Speaker 2: to start with the Fencing Act today. What is it? 87 00:04:54,615 --> 00:04:58,415 Speaker 2: How do I go about? You know, if you want 88 00:04:58,415 --> 00:05:02,015 Speaker 2: to approach a neighbor, for example, to add a new 89 00:05:02,055 --> 00:05:06,775 Speaker 2: fence or to replace a fence that's in an import condition. 90 00:05:07,215 --> 00:05:10,295 Speaker 2: What are your requirements in terms of the Fencing Act? 91 00:05:10,335 --> 00:05:12,735 Speaker 2: What do you have to do in order to get 92 00:05:12,735 --> 00:05:15,335 Speaker 2: that contribution? Because that's set out in the law as well. 93 00:05:15,495 --> 00:05:19,335 Speaker 2: What's the contribution? What's a typical fence in New Zealand. 94 00:05:19,335 --> 00:05:21,455 Speaker 2: We'll do all of that, all of those sorts of 95 00:05:21,535 --> 00:05:26,095 Speaker 2: questions with Ben Thompson Lawyer after eight o'clock this morning. 96 00:05:26,095 --> 00:05:28,775 Speaker 2: We'll touch base with Mike Olds before eight. But if 97 00:05:28,855 --> 00:05:32,215 Speaker 2: you've got questions, the number is eight hundred eighty ten 98 00:05:32,375 --> 00:05:35,935 Speaker 2: eighty slightly different start to the morning. Obviously, I was 99 00:05:35,975 --> 00:05:38,655 Speaker 2: going to say our kickoff was a bit later because 100 00:05:39,055 --> 00:05:41,015 Speaker 2: well we had the rugby which was awesome and a 101 00:05:41,135 --> 00:05:44,775 Speaker 2: fantastic result and certainly nail biting and can I say 102 00:05:44,895 --> 00:05:47,575 Speaker 2: just quietly there was some very loud language here in 103 00:05:47,615 --> 00:05:50,255 Speaker 2: the studio in the in those last couple of minutes 104 00:05:50,295 --> 00:05:53,615 Speaker 2: of the game. Anyway, the All Blacks have ended up 105 00:05:53,615 --> 00:05:56,615 Speaker 2: being victorious in that we will have a full bulletin 106 00:05:56,935 --> 00:06:00,135 Speaker 2: at seven o'clock for you. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty 107 00:06:00,255 --> 00:06:01,935 Speaker 2: is the number to call if you've got a project 108 00:06:01,975 --> 00:06:04,215 Speaker 2: on that you would like to talk about. The lines 109 00:06:04,255 --> 00:06:08,375 Speaker 2: are open. Eight hundred eighty eighty is the number taking 110 00:06:08,495 --> 00:06:11,775 Speaker 2: your texts as well nine two ninety two and your 111 00:06:11,815 --> 00:06:15,695 Speaker 2: emails on Pete at newstalksb dot co dot nz. It 112 00:06:15,735 --> 00:06:17,855 Speaker 2: is twenty six and a half minutes after six. We'll 113 00:06:17,855 --> 00:06:20,015 Speaker 2: take a break. We'll come back with your calls. Call 114 00:06:20,095 --> 00:06:22,135 Speaker 2: me now. We're going to get busy later in the show. 115 00:06:22,295 --> 00:06:25,335 Speaker 2: Now's the perfect time to call. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. 116 00:06:25,975 --> 00:06:28,495 Speaker 2: You're with News Talks HEDB, Pete Wolfcamp resident build out 117 00:06:28,535 --> 00:06:30,455 Speaker 2: with you this morning. The lines are open. Now is 118 00:06:30,495 --> 00:06:32,335 Speaker 2: a great time to call because we're going to get 119 00:06:32,335 --> 00:06:35,135 Speaker 2: busy later on the show. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty 120 00:06:35,255 --> 00:06:36,095 Speaker 2: is that number to call. 121 00:06:36,375 --> 00:06:36,655 Speaker 5: Quick. 122 00:06:36,655 --> 00:06:42,375 Speaker 2: Couple of texts that have come in. Short question, potentially 123 00:06:42,455 --> 00:06:46,255 Speaker 2: long answer is my response to Shane. So the text 124 00:06:46,335 --> 00:06:51,935 Speaker 2: is recess or not windows for thermal efficiency cost versus benefit. 125 00:06:53,615 --> 00:06:57,615 Speaker 2: Great text, very succinct. Look. I would say that one 126 00:06:57,615 --> 00:07:00,535 Speaker 2: of the things that in sort of I suppose the 127 00:07:01,055 --> 00:07:05,175 Speaker 2: building science discussions that we have at the moment are 128 00:07:05,215 --> 00:07:08,095 Speaker 2: all about where we play the windows, and that's all 129 00:07:08,095 --> 00:07:12,335 Speaker 2: about the insulation. So if you think about our typical 130 00:07:12,455 --> 00:07:16,535 Speaker 2: timber framing, our typical timber construction in New Zealand, we've 131 00:07:16,535 --> 00:07:18,975 Speaker 2: got a wall, we packed that full of insulation. Then 132 00:07:19,015 --> 00:07:21,815 Speaker 2: typically we have a cavity baton on the outside. Then 133 00:07:21,855 --> 00:07:24,935 Speaker 2: we have some sort of cladding, and again typically we 134 00:07:24,975 --> 00:07:28,255 Speaker 2: put our windows over the cladding. And that kind of 135 00:07:28,335 --> 00:07:32,815 Speaker 2: building methodology has come in large part from the leaky 136 00:07:32,855 --> 00:07:36,015 Speaker 2: building crisis. So when that happened, we changed the way 137 00:07:36,015 --> 00:07:38,975 Speaker 2: that we did cladding, often added cavities that allow for 138 00:07:39,055 --> 00:07:41,495 Speaker 2: drainage and drying and those sorts of things, and then 139 00:07:41,535 --> 00:07:43,815 Speaker 2: we just kept on doing what we'd always done and 140 00:07:43,855 --> 00:07:46,775 Speaker 2: pluk our windows in on the outside. Particularly when you're 141 00:07:46,775 --> 00:07:50,015 Speaker 2: talking often with aluminum extrusions, so you've got that profile 142 00:07:50,855 --> 00:07:54,295 Speaker 2: of the extrusion that covers the opening. Let's say, so 143 00:07:54,375 --> 00:07:57,295 Speaker 2: you push that into the opening and do it that way. 144 00:07:57,455 --> 00:08:00,415 Speaker 2: But what that does do is it creates a gap 145 00:08:00,455 --> 00:08:04,175 Speaker 2: around the perimeter where if you've got decent glazing I 146 00:08:04,415 --> 00:08:08,015 Speaker 2: double glazing, and it's good double glazing, that's your insulation 147 00:08:08,135 --> 00:08:11,135 Speaker 2: for you glass. And then what happens is that sits 148 00:08:11,215 --> 00:08:14,215 Speaker 2: outboard of where your insulation is in your wall, and 149 00:08:14,255 --> 00:08:17,575 Speaker 2: that's what we're talking. That's the conventional way of installing joinery. 150 00:08:18,335 --> 00:08:21,175 Speaker 2: The other way of doing it is to recess the window, 151 00:08:21,215 --> 00:08:23,695 Speaker 2: to push the window back towards where you've got all 152 00:08:23,735 --> 00:08:26,375 Speaker 2: of that insulation. If you're building in a conventional sense, 153 00:08:28,735 --> 00:08:30,855 Speaker 2: to ensure that you don't have this big gap around 154 00:08:30,895 --> 00:08:34,215 Speaker 2: the outside which has little to no insulation value at all. 155 00:08:34,495 --> 00:08:37,135 Speaker 2: So if you can keep your glazing close in line, 156 00:08:37,175 --> 00:08:40,135 Speaker 2: your double glazing unit with all of that insulation in 157 00:08:40,215 --> 00:08:43,135 Speaker 2: line with the insulation that's typically in your wall framing, 158 00:08:43,535 --> 00:08:45,855 Speaker 2: that is better. And yes, in order to do that, 159 00:08:45,895 --> 00:08:48,815 Speaker 2: you need to have a different flashing suite around the 160 00:08:48,855 --> 00:08:51,455 Speaker 2: perimeter of the window that allows the cladding to be 161 00:08:51,615 --> 00:08:54,295 Speaker 2: out and your window to be in. That's what a 162 00:08:54,335 --> 00:08:58,455 Speaker 2: recess window is. Look, I think I don't know that 163 00:08:58,575 --> 00:09:02,295 Speaker 2: there is actually a tremendous additional cost in doing that. 164 00:09:03,255 --> 00:09:06,655 Speaker 2: It might be some additional flashings, but most manufactor is 165 00:09:06,695 --> 00:09:11,135 Speaker 2: now have got flashing sweets that allow for that. So 166 00:09:11,215 --> 00:09:16,455 Speaker 2: it's not like it's new. It's not a new idea anymore. 167 00:09:16,495 --> 00:09:21,575 Speaker 2: So I think there is some there's enough, it's become 168 00:09:21,655 --> 00:09:24,775 Speaker 2: common enough that a solution, i e. A cost effective 169 00:09:24,775 --> 00:09:28,095 Speaker 2: solution has been found for that. So and then what 170 00:09:28,175 --> 00:09:30,895 Speaker 2: you do get, and this is my long winded way 171 00:09:30,895 --> 00:09:34,135 Speaker 2: of saying, the greatest benefit is you get the benefit 172 00:09:34,175 --> 00:09:37,975 Speaker 2: of that every single day in that house for the 173 00:09:38,015 --> 00:09:40,975 Speaker 2: life of that house. So if you look at a 174 00:09:41,015 --> 00:09:45,655 Speaker 2: cost benefit over twenty years, thirty years, forty fifty years 175 00:09:45,655 --> 00:09:48,415 Speaker 2: of occupation in that building, and you don't have that 176 00:09:48,415 --> 00:09:51,135 Speaker 2: thermal loss around your joinery because we've done it in 177 00:09:51,135 --> 00:09:54,455 Speaker 2: a conventional way, then hand on heart, I'd say, yes, 178 00:09:54,495 --> 00:09:56,615 Speaker 2: there is a massive benefit to doing it. Oh eight 179 00:09:56,735 --> 00:10:00,655 Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Funnily enough, 180 00:10:00,695 --> 00:10:05,335 Speaker 2: I'm actually going to see a joinery fabricator tomorrow who's 181 00:10:05,535 --> 00:10:08,735 Speaker 2: joinery sweet is designed to do exactly that. So I'll 182 00:10:08,775 --> 00:10:10,935 Speaker 2: have a chance to look around the showroom and play 183 00:10:10,975 --> 00:10:12,775 Speaker 2: with some ideas when I'm out there tomorrow. I'll let 184 00:10:12,775 --> 00:10:14,775 Speaker 2: you know how that gets on next week. Oh eight 185 00:10:14,895 --> 00:10:17,335 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Chris, 186 00:10:17,695 --> 00:10:27,895 Speaker 2: Very good morning morning. It's a bit windy, to be fair, Yeah, 187 00:10:28,015 --> 00:10:34,935 Speaker 2: I tell you what, hang on, I wonder if we 188 00:10:35,935 --> 00:10:38,935 Speaker 2: how does it sound as are it's okay, it's no good, 189 00:10:39,095 --> 00:10:41,255 Speaker 2: it's not good. Okay. We might try and get you 190 00:10:41,295 --> 00:10:44,775 Speaker 2: back with another connection rather than something that I can 191 00:10:44,815 --> 00:10:46,695 Speaker 2: hear all the wind and that, but I can't really 192 00:10:46,695 --> 00:10:49,695 Speaker 2: hear you, Chris. Unfortunately, for those people who might be 193 00:10:49,695 --> 00:10:52,135 Speaker 2: doing the marathon this morning, good luck to you. I 194 00:10:52,175 --> 00:10:54,855 Speaker 2: know that the first runners took off at about six o'clock. 195 00:10:55,495 --> 00:10:57,415 Speaker 2: I know that get down to Devonport, where I happened 196 00:10:57,415 --> 00:11:00,215 Speaker 2: to live, was a particularly torturous route this morning, with 197 00:11:00,255 --> 00:11:06,175 Speaker 2: the various road closures that combined with the the roadworks 198 00:11:06,535 --> 00:11:08,695 Speaker 2: or the infrastructure upgrades that have been going on for 199 00:11:08,735 --> 00:11:10,535 Speaker 2: a while. So it took a little while to get 200 00:11:10,575 --> 00:11:13,695 Speaker 2: out out of the shryer this morning. But anyway, good 201 00:11:13,735 --> 00:11:15,655 Speaker 2: luck to you if you're out doing the marathon this morning. 202 00:11:15,935 --> 00:11:18,415 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I can't imagine someone doing the marathon 203 00:11:18,495 --> 00:11:21,375 Speaker 2: and listening to talk back on the way. If you are, 204 00:11:22,375 --> 00:11:25,895 Speaker 2: great and good luck to you. But I would have 205 00:11:25,935 --> 00:11:28,295 Speaker 2: thought you'd have pumped up music or something like that, 206 00:11:28,415 --> 00:11:31,055 Speaker 2: or something very calming to keep you going while you're 207 00:11:31,295 --> 00:11:34,375 Speaker 2: running over the Harbor Bridge, which you'll be running up 208 00:11:34,615 --> 00:11:38,095 Speaker 2: and heading south into a reasonably stiff southerly breeze. I 209 00:11:38,135 --> 00:11:41,295 Speaker 2: can assure you looking at the flags as I drove 210 00:11:41,375 --> 00:11:43,095 Speaker 2: over this morning. But good luck to you if you're 211 00:11:43,135 --> 00:11:45,975 Speaker 2: out there doing the marathon. Beautiful sunrise as well as 212 00:11:46,055 --> 00:11:49,295 Speaker 2: you leave Devenport, head through Takapoona, up and over the bridge, 213 00:11:49,335 --> 00:11:52,815 Speaker 2: out along the waterfront and then back into the city. 214 00:11:52,855 --> 00:11:54,615 Speaker 2: Good luck to you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten 215 00:11:54,695 --> 00:11:56,535 Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call. A couple of other 216 00:11:56,575 --> 00:11:58,695 Speaker 2: texts that have come through. Hey, just got a quote 217 00:11:58,695 --> 00:12:01,535 Speaker 2: for some building repair, two workers at one hundred and 218 00:12:01,575 --> 00:12:04,815 Speaker 2: sixty dollars per hour, but I know the apprentice gets 219 00:12:04,855 --> 00:12:08,295 Speaker 2: paid thirty dollars an hours. This normal funny. I got 220 00:12:08,295 --> 00:12:12,495 Speaker 2: a text from from Ends yesterday as well along similar lines. Gosh, 221 00:12:12,695 --> 00:12:15,615 Speaker 2: I didn't know that such and such was as expensive, 222 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:17,775 Speaker 2: and you know, I'm not sure that we can afford it, 223 00:12:17,815 --> 00:12:22,815 Speaker 2: and things like that. Look, in the end, that's why 224 00:12:22,815 --> 00:12:23,615 Speaker 2: we've got competition. 225 00:12:23,735 --> 00:12:23,895 Speaker 6: Right. 226 00:12:24,535 --> 00:12:26,055 Speaker 2: If you don't think that's a good price, so you 227 00:12:26,055 --> 00:12:28,095 Speaker 2: don't think you're getting value for money, then you can 228 00:12:28,135 --> 00:12:32,855 Speaker 2: get another price. But certainly hourly rates at around seventy 229 00:12:32,895 --> 00:12:35,495 Speaker 2: dollars an hour, eighty dollars an hour for a leading 230 00:12:35,735 --> 00:12:40,735 Speaker 2: carpenter it's probably about right. Apprentice gets paid thirty, they're 231 00:12:40,735 --> 00:12:43,815 Speaker 2: probably charged out at forty. You know, it's probably not 232 00:12:43,855 --> 00:12:47,455 Speaker 2: that far off. It really does depend on what sort 233 00:12:47,495 --> 00:12:49,535 Speaker 2: of work they're doing, how long they're going to be there, 234 00:12:50,215 --> 00:12:53,495 Speaker 2: and do you have some guidance as to you know, 235 00:12:53,535 --> 00:12:56,455 Speaker 2: how long. Like one hundred and twenty dollars an hour 236 00:12:56,495 --> 00:12:59,215 Speaker 2: for two workers is fine if it's a week's work, 237 00:12:59,255 --> 00:13:01,575 Speaker 2: but what happens if it comes two weeks work or 238 00:13:01,615 --> 00:13:03,975 Speaker 2: four weeks work or something like that. So I think 239 00:13:04,015 --> 00:13:06,855 Speaker 2: talk to your contractor and see what you can do. 240 00:13:06,935 --> 00:13:09,455 Speaker 2: It seems like we've got Chris as Mike sorted out. 241 00:13:10,375 --> 00:13:14,415 Speaker 2: But Chris is gone. He's back. We'll come to Chris 242 00:13:14,415 --> 00:13:16,415 Speaker 2: in just a moment. We'll take it. Actually, another text 243 00:13:16,415 --> 00:13:19,135 Speaker 2: that's just come through. I'm replacing my ceiling insulation in 244 00:13:19,215 --> 00:13:22,695 Speaker 2: my Telpo home. What rating would you recommend for maximum 245 00:13:22,775 --> 00:13:26,815 Speaker 2: results before the benefits start to tail off? Look, I 246 00:13:26,895 --> 00:13:32,295 Speaker 2: think from all of the reading that I've done is 247 00:13:32,335 --> 00:13:35,295 Speaker 2: that I think that anywhere above sort of four point 248 00:13:35,375 --> 00:13:39,455 Speaker 2: eight or five and the benefits are marginal. Now, Topo 249 00:13:39,695 --> 00:13:43,135 Speaker 2: does get quite cold over the winter, so there is 250 00:13:43,655 --> 00:13:47,015 Speaker 2: you know, definitely some benefit in going over and above 251 00:13:47,175 --> 00:13:51,055 Speaker 2: the minimum requirements. But you know, at the moment the 252 00:13:51,095 --> 00:13:54,615 Speaker 2: code says all at ceiling insulation. This is the upgrade 253 00:13:54,655 --> 00:13:56,735 Speaker 2: to H one that came in in November of last year, 254 00:13:56,735 --> 00:13:59,935 Speaker 2: so it's basically a year old. Now, is that you 255 00:13:59,975 --> 00:14:02,735 Speaker 2: need to go six point six in the ceiling? 256 00:14:04,015 --> 00:14:04,375 Speaker 4: I don't. 257 00:14:05,335 --> 00:14:08,615 Speaker 2: I've struggled to find anyone who says that R six 258 00:14:08,655 --> 00:14:13,615 Speaker 2: point six is of significant improvement over something like R five. 259 00:14:13,895 --> 00:14:16,615 Speaker 2: So I think if you're doing a retrue perspective upgrade, 260 00:14:16,615 --> 00:14:18,575 Speaker 2: you've got some insulation in there, you want to add 261 00:14:18,575 --> 00:14:20,295 Speaker 2: some more. I think if you aim to get to 262 00:14:20,335 --> 00:14:23,535 Speaker 2: around R five, you'll have plenty of benefit. Bearing in 263 00:14:23,615 --> 00:14:26,135 Speaker 2: mind that what you're trying to create as a thermal 264 00:14:26,215 --> 00:14:29,015 Speaker 2: envelope so the whole building. So if all you're doing 265 00:14:29,095 --> 00:14:31,735 Speaker 2: is adding more insulation to the ceiling but not doing 266 00:14:31,735 --> 00:14:35,495 Speaker 2: anything anywhere else in the building, there's not that much benefit. 267 00:14:35,575 --> 00:14:38,455 Speaker 2: But if it's well insulated everywhere else and you add 268 00:14:38,495 --> 00:14:40,655 Speaker 2: to the ceiling, that will give you some benefit. So 269 00:14:40,735 --> 00:14:42,895 Speaker 2: good luck on that one, Chris, We've got your back. 270 00:14:42,935 --> 00:14:45,575 Speaker 2: How are you doing way better? 271 00:14:45,655 --> 00:14:49,495 Speaker 5: Way better? 272 00:14:50,615 --> 00:14:50,935 Speaker 4: Yeah? 273 00:14:51,055 --> 00:14:54,735 Speaker 5: Yeah. I'm looking at purchasing a property and it's got 274 00:14:54,815 --> 00:15:00,095 Speaker 5: a basically a three bait implement shed that's got two 275 00:15:00,095 --> 00:15:02,295 Speaker 5: of the baits closed, and I'm wondering what sort of 276 00:15:02,375 --> 00:15:04,975 Speaker 5: nightmy would it be to turn that into a dwelling. 277 00:15:06,335 --> 00:15:08,055 Speaker 2: Well, you need to get a building consent and then 278 00:15:08,095 --> 00:15:11,535 Speaker 2: you need to comply with the building code. So that's 279 00:15:11,575 --> 00:15:16,095 Speaker 2: all about you know that it's it's suitable for habitation. 280 00:15:16,295 --> 00:15:20,095 Speaker 2: Let's say it becomes a safe habitable space, so to 281 00:15:20,135 --> 00:15:23,055 Speaker 2: be you know, is there waterproofing underneath the slab or 282 00:15:23,135 --> 00:15:24,495 Speaker 2: is there a slab at all? If you're going to 283 00:15:24,535 --> 00:15:27,455 Speaker 2: do one, you'd want vapor control. You'll need insulation in 284 00:15:27,495 --> 00:15:30,495 Speaker 2: the exterior walls, you need the right amount of ventilation 285 00:15:31,095 --> 00:15:34,055 Speaker 2: and extraction in the building. You'd need to have you know, 286 00:15:34,255 --> 00:15:37,575 Speaker 2: sanitary fittings done to the code, all of those sorts 287 00:15:37,575 --> 00:15:41,935 Speaker 2: of things. But yeah, it's a building consent, that's all. 288 00:15:42,375 --> 00:15:46,775 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just well I understood all that, all 289 00:15:46,775 --> 00:15:49,495 Speaker 5: that sort of you know, because it's basically at the 290 00:15:49,535 --> 00:15:51,575 Speaker 5: moment that's just a dirt's law. So that's no problem. 291 00:15:51,575 --> 00:15:54,575 Speaker 5: I can I can work from that insulation, you have 292 00:15:54,575 --> 00:15:59,055 Speaker 5: no problem. But that's just an exterior clouding. Yes, I'm 293 00:15:59,095 --> 00:16:04,135 Speaker 5: more worried about things like the possibility of not having 294 00:16:04,175 --> 00:16:08,775 Speaker 5: any like barrier in the in the poles in the 295 00:16:08,775 --> 00:16:14,135 Speaker 5: ground themselves, and the fact that it doesn't have like 296 00:16:14,175 --> 00:16:16,655 Speaker 5: a building paper like that on exterior clouding. 297 00:16:16,775 --> 00:16:18,815 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just thinking about that. That is where 298 00:16:18,855 --> 00:16:21,055 Speaker 2: it's going to get tricky, isn't it that you've essentially 299 00:16:21,095 --> 00:16:26,695 Speaker 2: got I presume is it timber or steel poles? Timber poles, 300 00:16:26,935 --> 00:16:30,295 Speaker 2: timber poles, some sort of whalings or you know, running 301 00:16:30,375 --> 00:16:34,055 Speaker 2: over those, and then metal cladding fixed the outside of it. Look, 302 00:16:34,895 --> 00:16:37,255 Speaker 2: you know, if it is metal cladding, and hopefully it 303 00:16:37,335 --> 00:16:41,535 Speaker 2: might be screw fixed rather than fixed with nails, you 304 00:16:41,655 --> 00:16:44,575 Speaker 2: might find that in the you know, given all of 305 00:16:44,615 --> 00:16:46,455 Speaker 2: the work that you're going to do in order to 306 00:16:46,495 --> 00:16:50,375 Speaker 2: turn it into a habitable space, actually just unscrewing the 307 00:16:50,415 --> 00:16:55,415 Speaker 2: cladding and maybe string and just putting the building paper on, 308 00:16:55,495 --> 00:16:58,575 Speaker 2: which is the vapor barrier that you need on the outside, 309 00:16:58,615 --> 00:17:02,095 Speaker 2: and then refixing the cladding. In the biggest scheme of things, 310 00:17:02,135 --> 00:17:03,655 Speaker 2: it's actually not that much work. 311 00:17:04,855 --> 00:17:09,415 Speaker 5: No, No more concerned about the poles and how they're 312 00:17:09,415 --> 00:17:12,935 Speaker 5: in the ground and whether or not they could be 313 00:17:13,175 --> 00:17:15,735 Speaker 5: like a woking issue with moisture coming up? 314 00:17:16,735 --> 00:17:19,495 Speaker 2: Are the poles set in concrete. 315 00:17:20,255 --> 00:17:22,175 Speaker 5: I'm not one hundred percent sure. 316 00:17:22,335 --> 00:17:27,975 Speaker 2: Okay, that's interesting. 317 00:17:29,975 --> 00:17:31,975 Speaker 5: What sort of difference would that make it it's concrete 318 00:17:32,055 --> 00:17:33,335 Speaker 5: or just just dug into the dirt. 319 00:17:33,535 --> 00:17:36,135 Speaker 2: Well, what I'm thinking is, let's say they've you know, 320 00:17:36,175 --> 00:17:38,815 Speaker 2: they've drilled a five hundred diameter hole and they've dropped 321 00:17:38,815 --> 00:17:41,095 Speaker 2: a three hundred mili pole in there, and then they've 322 00:17:41,095 --> 00:17:43,495 Speaker 2: concreted it around it, and then that concrete comes all 323 00:17:43,535 --> 00:17:46,375 Speaker 2: the way to the surface. So when you pour your 324 00:17:46,415 --> 00:17:50,375 Speaker 2: new slab, you could effectively pour it onto the concrete. 325 00:17:50,415 --> 00:17:55,015 Speaker 2: So the concrete is protecting the pole from whacking up 326 00:17:55,055 --> 00:17:59,055 Speaker 2: moisture out of the ground, right, you know, in that sense, 327 00:17:59,135 --> 00:18:03,335 Speaker 2: it's it's ceiling and you can do There's there's various 328 00:18:03,415 --> 00:18:06,895 Speaker 2: bonding agents that you can use between the two pause. 329 00:18:06,935 --> 00:18:09,655 Speaker 2: So the original paw for the posts, the grouting of 330 00:18:09,695 --> 00:18:12,215 Speaker 2: the post, and then you slab and that'll stop moisture 331 00:18:12,335 --> 00:18:16,775 Speaker 2: from coming through that join there. And then if there 332 00:18:16,815 --> 00:18:19,255 Speaker 2: is concrete around it, then you could probably get some 333 00:18:19,295 --> 00:18:22,975 Speaker 2: advice to say, look, the actual chance of moisture wicking 334 00:18:23,015 --> 00:18:25,895 Speaker 2: through there is limited. The other thing would be is 335 00:18:26,015 --> 00:18:29,015 Speaker 2: if there was a potential for moisture to be waking 336 00:18:29,135 --> 00:18:32,375 Speaker 2: up through the post. Is that if you then allowed 337 00:18:32,455 --> 00:18:34,855 Speaker 2: a little bit of ventilation, you could manage that. But 338 00:18:35,895 --> 00:18:40,935 Speaker 2: I think in all reality it's such a low risk 339 00:18:41,055 --> 00:18:43,775 Speaker 2: that I'd like to think that in terms of compliance 340 00:18:43,815 --> 00:18:47,775 Speaker 2: there would be a pathway through that, right, I mean, 341 00:18:47,855 --> 00:18:50,975 Speaker 2: is there any evidence right now of moisture at the 342 00:18:50,975 --> 00:18:51,935 Speaker 2: bottom of the posts? 343 00:18:53,215 --> 00:18:53,255 Speaker 6: No? 344 00:18:53,415 --> 00:18:56,695 Speaker 5: Well, the shed itself is it's not even a year old. 345 00:18:57,175 --> 00:18:58,655 Speaker 7: Yeah, so. 346 00:19:01,615 --> 00:19:05,135 Speaker 5: Slightly raised area, so it's in quite a well situated 347 00:19:05,175 --> 00:19:10,095 Speaker 5: places water drainage, and it's a very very very well 348 00:19:10,135 --> 00:19:10,895 Speaker 5: quick to give a shed. 349 00:19:11,015 --> 00:19:14,775 Speaker 2: So it would be interesting to go if the shed's 350 00:19:14,815 --> 00:19:16,575 Speaker 2: only a year old, would be interesting to go back 351 00:19:16,575 --> 00:19:19,215 Speaker 2: to the manufacturer and say, hey, look, do you ever 352 00:19:19,455 --> 00:19:23,295 Speaker 2: make these into habitable spaces and and do you have 353 00:19:23,375 --> 00:19:27,735 Speaker 2: a compliance pathway for that? They may already have plans 354 00:19:27,815 --> 00:19:28,655 Speaker 2: and specification. 355 00:19:29,575 --> 00:19:32,375 Speaker 5: Yeah, yes they do, because I originally looked at a 356 00:19:32,375 --> 00:19:35,095 Speaker 5: property with the other sheet all right, and I run 357 00:19:35,175 --> 00:19:38,255 Speaker 5: the company up and it happened to be the same manufacturer, Fantastic, 358 00:19:38,295 --> 00:19:40,455 Speaker 5: and they actually, yeah, when you order it, you can 359 00:19:40,495 --> 00:19:44,935 Speaker 5: actually order it, right, it's a dwelling and there they've 360 00:19:44,935 --> 00:19:46,535 Speaker 5: got certain things that they change. 361 00:19:49,335 --> 00:19:51,455 Speaker 2: Back to my point about the way in which the 362 00:19:51,455 --> 00:19:53,975 Speaker 2: clouding is fixed. So if it's a year old, guaranteed 363 00:19:54,015 --> 00:19:58,135 Speaker 2: it's been screw fixed, right texture, So you're backing your 364 00:19:58,135 --> 00:20:01,495 Speaker 2: text screw out and adding your vapor barrier and then 365 00:20:01,535 --> 00:20:04,095 Speaker 2: putting you could you could reuse all the sheets, right 366 00:20:04,535 --> 00:20:08,335 Speaker 2: So I I would say, yes, you need a consent, 367 00:20:08,415 --> 00:20:11,015 Speaker 2: but hopefully the consent shouldn't be too problematic. 368 00:20:11,975 --> 00:20:16,015 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah? And would would the majority of 369 00:20:16,055 --> 00:20:19,695 Speaker 5: that work have to be done by am. 370 00:20:20,975 --> 00:20:24,975 Speaker 2: What's the new tube building practitioner? If it's a consent, 371 00:20:25,895 --> 00:20:28,015 Speaker 2: if you need a consent for it, which you will do, 372 00:20:28,335 --> 00:20:30,735 Speaker 2: then that work needs to be done or supervised by 373 00:20:30,855 --> 00:20:34,775 Speaker 2: an LBP. However, there is an owner builder exemption, so 374 00:20:34,895 --> 00:20:36,735 Speaker 2: if you're the owner of the property, which you are, 375 00:20:37,415 --> 00:20:40,455 Speaker 2: you can apply or you can notify counsel that you 376 00:20:40,535 --> 00:20:43,615 Speaker 2: intend to use this exemption and then do the work 377 00:20:43,695 --> 00:20:49,055 Speaker 2: yourself if that was your intention, and and then it 378 00:20:49,135 --> 00:20:51,495 Speaker 2: just gets recorded on the limb that the work was 379 00:20:51,535 --> 00:20:54,215 Speaker 2: done by someone who's not an LVP. But you do 380 00:20:54,575 --> 00:20:55,935 Speaker 2: have an exemption. 381 00:20:55,615 --> 00:21:00,095 Speaker 5: For that, right okay? And would that just entil having 382 00:21:00,415 --> 00:21:01,935 Speaker 5: more inspections. 383 00:21:01,415 --> 00:21:03,295 Speaker 2: Or it should? 384 00:21:03,535 --> 00:21:03,615 Speaker 6: It? 385 00:21:03,655 --> 00:21:05,935 Speaker 2: Should? You still have to build it in accordance with 386 00:21:05,975 --> 00:21:09,015 Speaker 2: the plan and to the Building Code. But it just 387 00:21:09,095 --> 00:21:11,215 Speaker 2: means that when the Council Inspector comes out, you just 388 00:21:11,335 --> 00:21:14,175 Speaker 2: show them the certificate and say, in this instance, I'm 389 00:21:14,215 --> 00:21:17,015 Speaker 2: going to be the builder. What they've done is I 390 00:21:17,015 --> 00:21:19,855 Speaker 2: guess when the LBP scheme came out, a lot of 391 00:21:19,895 --> 00:21:23,415 Speaker 2: people myself included, were you know, worried a bit that 392 00:21:23,455 --> 00:21:28,255 Speaker 2: it would end that ability for New Zealanders to do 393 00:21:28,295 --> 00:21:31,415 Speaker 2: their own work, right, to build their own house. And 394 00:21:31,455 --> 00:21:33,775 Speaker 2: that was never the intention of the Act right or 395 00:21:33,775 --> 00:21:36,615 Speaker 2: to the changes to the Building Act, so it's there. 396 00:21:37,215 --> 00:21:40,855 Speaker 2: The I suppose the thing that stops people using that 397 00:21:40,975 --> 00:21:43,495 Speaker 2: as a way of not bothering to get licensed is 398 00:21:43,535 --> 00:21:45,415 Speaker 2: that you can only do it. I think you can 399 00:21:45,455 --> 00:21:48,855 Speaker 2: only use it once every three years or something like that. 400 00:21:48,975 --> 00:21:51,655 Speaker 2: So it stops people. You know, if you said, well, look, 401 00:21:51,735 --> 00:21:54,095 Speaker 2: I can't be bothered becoming a lot an LBP, but 402 00:21:54,175 --> 00:21:55,535 Speaker 2: I do want to go and build a whole bunch 403 00:21:55,575 --> 00:21:57,815 Speaker 2: of houses where you can't do that right, you have 404 00:21:57,855 --> 00:22:00,095 Speaker 2: to be an LBP for that. So yeah, if you 405 00:22:00,215 --> 00:22:02,935 Speaker 2: wanted to do the work yourself, you can apply for 406 00:22:02,975 --> 00:22:05,735 Speaker 2: an exemption. I guess the other pathway that I know 407 00:22:05,815 --> 00:22:08,495 Speaker 2: a number of people have taken is you may well 408 00:22:08,535 --> 00:22:11,495 Speaker 2: contract an LBP to do, you know, some of the 409 00:22:11,535 --> 00:22:15,015 Speaker 2: building work, even if they are contracted to you as 410 00:22:15,055 --> 00:22:18,175 Speaker 2: a supervisor, and then they're prepared to sign it off 411 00:22:18,175 --> 00:22:21,335 Speaker 2: for you. But they have to be able to confidently 412 00:22:21,415 --> 00:22:24,375 Speaker 2: say I supervise the work so that I'm sure that 413 00:22:24,415 --> 00:22:26,135 Speaker 2: it meets the requirements of the code. 414 00:22:26,975 --> 00:22:28,935 Speaker 5: Perfect, Okay, good luck. 415 00:22:29,055 --> 00:22:32,335 Speaker 2: It sounds awesome. Every time someone rings me and goes, oh, 416 00:22:32,335 --> 00:22:34,575 Speaker 2: I've got this shed, you know, and it's three bays 417 00:22:34,615 --> 00:22:36,615 Speaker 2: and I'm just looking at my little shed at home going, 418 00:22:37,455 --> 00:22:40,695 Speaker 2: I get shit envy. I get shit envy. All right, 419 00:22:40,895 --> 00:22:45,975 Speaker 2: that sounds awesome. All right, Please do take care, Chris, bye, 420 00:22:46,495 --> 00:22:49,255 Speaker 2: I do. It's probably not many things that I get 421 00:22:49,335 --> 00:22:52,695 Speaker 2: envied about, but that's one of them. Radio eight hundred 422 00:22:52,735 --> 00:22:54,735 Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you've 423 00:22:54,735 --> 00:22:57,135 Speaker 2: got a question. The lines are open. The number is 424 00:22:57,415 --> 00:22:59,775 Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. In the next hour. Will 425 00:22:59,815 --> 00:23:03,415 Speaker 2: catch up with my colds from Razine Construction Systems. You 426 00:23:03,495 --> 00:23:05,255 Speaker 2: know that a couple of weeks ago, two weeks ago, 427 00:23:05,295 --> 00:23:07,855 Speaker 2: we ran a comp petition tied in nicely with the 428 00:23:07,855 --> 00:23:12,935 Speaker 2: America's Cup for three Lego models of the Emirates Team 429 00:23:12,975 --> 00:23:17,015 Speaker 2: New Zealand Yacht. Fantastic Lego kits. They've even had like 430 00:23:17,415 --> 00:23:20,455 Speaker 2: moveable you could move the sale. It always had all 431 00:23:20,495 --> 00:23:24,135 Speaker 2: the mechanics in it. Anyway, three very happy winners. So 432 00:23:24,255 --> 00:23:27,295 Speaker 2: those Lego kits have been sent out by the good 433 00:23:27,295 --> 00:23:30,335 Speaker 2: people at Razine Construction to our three lucky winners. So 434 00:23:30,855 --> 00:23:32,815 Speaker 2: thanks for taking part. We had a tremendous number of 435 00:23:32,975 --> 00:23:37,095 Speaker 2: entries and enjoy putting those Lego kits together. Eight hundred 436 00:23:37,175 --> 00:23:39,655 Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Will come 437 00:23:39,695 --> 00:23:42,655 Speaker 2: back to building well, not with Lego but with real 438 00:23:42,655 --> 00:23:44,895 Speaker 2: stuff in just a moment. Your news talk sai'd be 439 00:23:44,935 --> 00:23:47,375 Speaker 2: if you've got a building question, the lines are open. 440 00:23:47,375 --> 00:23:50,175 Speaker 2: The number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. So 441 00:23:50,215 --> 00:23:53,575 Speaker 2: we talked a little bit this morning about recessing windows 442 00:23:53,575 --> 00:23:58,135 Speaker 2: for thermal efficiency. It's one of those things that it's 443 00:23:58,175 --> 00:24:00,655 Speaker 2: there is a lot of information online at the moment, 444 00:24:00,655 --> 00:24:04,695 Speaker 2: whether it's on the brand's website, whether it's in the 445 00:24:04,735 --> 00:24:08,575 Speaker 2: super home movement. There's a lot of sort of threads 446 00:24:08,895 --> 00:24:13,855 Speaker 2: of discussion about it on various platforms. So it's if 447 00:24:13,855 --> 00:24:18,215 Speaker 2: you're looking at building and it's interesting I saw a 448 00:24:18,295 --> 00:24:21,295 Speaker 2: sort of an initial set of drawings for a building 449 00:24:21,335 --> 00:24:24,655 Speaker 2: consent for a brand new build the other day, and 450 00:24:24,815 --> 00:24:29,055 Speaker 2: one of the things that I the client, the owner 451 00:24:29,095 --> 00:24:30,975 Speaker 2: of the property, said, I'll just have a look at 452 00:24:30,975 --> 00:24:33,735 Speaker 2: the drawings and let me know any thoughts, and it 453 00:24:33,775 --> 00:24:35,815 Speaker 2: was classic. One of the things that they hadn't done, 454 00:24:35,815 --> 00:24:40,575 Speaker 2: which kind of surprised me, is to recess the joinery 455 00:24:40,775 --> 00:24:43,535 Speaker 2: so that you get more thermal efficiency. So this is 456 00:24:43,575 --> 00:24:46,495 Speaker 2: all about trying to keep your insulation that you get 457 00:24:46,495 --> 00:24:50,215 Speaker 2: from your double glazing, because it's pretty much standard these 458 00:24:50,295 --> 00:24:53,015 Speaker 2: days in line with the insulation that you might have 459 00:24:53,055 --> 00:24:55,055 Speaker 2: in your walls. Now it's slightly different if you end 460 00:24:55,135 --> 00:24:59,175 Speaker 2: up with a system where you've got outsulation, then potentially 461 00:24:59,215 --> 00:25:02,015 Speaker 2: it's not as much of an issue there. But ideally 462 00:25:02,255 --> 00:25:05,135 Speaker 2: our windows should be recessed so that we keep it 463 00:25:05,175 --> 00:25:08,655 Speaker 2: in line with where the is typically in the wall space. 464 00:25:09,695 --> 00:25:13,775 Speaker 2: But obviously building consents you're still seeing them with I 465 00:25:13,775 --> 00:25:18,775 Speaker 2: guess not necessarily the best practice involved. And then other questions, 466 00:25:18,935 --> 00:25:21,175 Speaker 2: A lot of question about sort of insulation this morning, 467 00:25:21,455 --> 00:25:24,575 Speaker 2: in a sense replacing the sealing insulation in the home 468 00:25:24,695 --> 00:25:29,055 Speaker 2: in Tupo. What would you do in terms of maximum 469 00:25:29,055 --> 00:25:31,375 Speaker 2: amount of insulation. Is there any benefit of going to 470 00:25:31,495 --> 00:25:34,095 Speaker 2: R six point six as required by the code? No, 471 00:25:34,215 --> 00:25:36,695 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think that once you get 472 00:25:36,695 --> 00:25:40,615 Speaker 2: above about R five you've probably got the maximum benefit 473 00:25:40,695 --> 00:25:45,375 Speaker 2: that you would expect out of your ceiling insulation. Certainly 474 00:25:45,415 --> 00:25:48,135 Speaker 2: there is a benefit of having more than just two 475 00:25:48,215 --> 00:25:51,015 Speaker 2: point seven, which used to be the old standard, more 476 00:25:51,055 --> 00:25:53,935 Speaker 2: than three point six. Yes, there's probably some benefit, much 477 00:25:53,935 --> 00:25:56,215 Speaker 2: more than five, Not really, And then a couple of 478 00:25:56,615 --> 00:26:02,015 Speaker 2: texts come in around the costs of construction these days. 479 00:26:02,255 --> 00:26:04,375 Speaker 2: In fact, I went and cleared out my post office 480 00:26:04,375 --> 00:26:08,615 Speaker 2: box the other day. The Brands magazine or the build magazine, 481 00:26:08,615 --> 00:26:12,615 Speaker 2: which comes out from Brands every month. The big topic 482 00:26:12,815 --> 00:26:17,655 Speaker 2: there is building affordability or housing affordability and some of 483 00:26:17,695 --> 00:26:20,975 Speaker 2: the complexity around that, and thankfully we've acknowledged the fact 484 00:26:21,015 --> 00:26:24,655 Speaker 2: that it is actually quite complicated. But there should still 485 00:26:24,695 --> 00:26:28,935 Speaker 2: be some solutions to building affordability. So one hundred and 486 00:26:28,935 --> 00:26:31,775 Speaker 2: twenty bucks, someone's just been quoted to workers one hundred 487 00:26:31,775 --> 00:26:34,935 Speaker 2: and twenty dollars an hour. They what they've said in 488 00:26:34,975 --> 00:26:37,055 Speaker 2: the text is, but I know the apprentice gets paid 489 00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:41,175 Speaker 2: around thirty dollars an hour. Is this normal? Well, if 490 00:26:41,175 --> 00:26:43,975 Speaker 2: the apprentice is getting paid thirty, he's probably being charged 491 00:26:44,055 --> 00:26:46,215 Speaker 2: or she is being charged out at I don't know, 492 00:26:46,335 --> 00:26:50,535 Speaker 2: maybe forty. That leaves the other worker being charged out 493 00:26:50,575 --> 00:26:55,055 Speaker 2: eighty dollars an hour. Depending on the qualification and the 494 00:26:55,095 --> 00:26:58,495 Speaker 2: competency of the person, that might be an acceptable rate. 495 00:26:59,135 --> 00:27:00,295 Speaker 2: That's why you get more than one. 496 00:27:00,375 --> 00:27:00,695 Speaker 6: Quote. 497 00:27:00,735 --> 00:27:03,055 Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 498 00:27:03,095 --> 00:27:06,095 Speaker 2: If you've got a building question, that'd be great to 499 00:27:06,135 --> 00:27:09,415 Speaker 2: hear from you. If you've got a specific question about 500 00:27:09,455 --> 00:27:12,615 Speaker 2: the Fencing Act, for example, then feel free to text 501 00:27:12,655 --> 00:27:16,295 Speaker 2: those questions through to me as well, because and it 502 00:27:16,375 --> 00:27:18,495 Speaker 2: is something that we talk about a fair amount on 503 00:27:18,535 --> 00:27:22,095 Speaker 2: this program in terms of the Fencing Act. What is 504 00:27:22,135 --> 00:27:24,575 Speaker 2: the Fencing Act? How do you use the Fencing Act? 505 00:27:24,615 --> 00:27:27,295 Speaker 2: How do you respond to a neighbor who perhaps approaches 506 00:27:27,375 --> 00:27:30,095 Speaker 2: you and says, hey, look, I want this contribution to 507 00:27:30,655 --> 00:27:34,055 Speaker 2: the cost of replacing the fence. What's a standard fence? 508 00:27:34,895 --> 00:27:37,655 Speaker 2: How do you use the Fencing Act to get a contribution. 509 00:27:37,815 --> 00:27:39,735 Speaker 2: How do you respond to a neighbor who might be 510 00:27:39,775 --> 00:27:43,175 Speaker 2: seeking a contribution. What's the maximum amount that you need 511 00:27:43,215 --> 00:27:45,895 Speaker 2: to contribute? What's a standard fence? All of these are 512 00:27:45,935 --> 00:27:49,335 Speaker 2: actually legal questions, So joining me after eight o'clock this morning, 513 00:27:50,055 --> 00:27:54,095 Speaker 2: I've got Ben Thompson, who is a lawyer specializing in 514 00:27:54,135 --> 00:27:57,415 Speaker 2: property law, in particular the Fencing Act. He's going to 515 00:27:57,455 --> 00:27:59,735 Speaker 2: join me. We're going to have a general chat around that. 516 00:28:00,015 --> 00:28:03,535 Speaker 2: But if you've got any specific questions about the Fencing Act, 517 00:28:04,335 --> 00:28:07,655 Speaker 2: maybe even about some property issues. You know a neighbor 518 00:28:07,695 --> 00:28:10,055 Speaker 2: that plants a tree and then decides they're never going 519 00:28:10,055 --> 00:28:12,775 Speaker 2: to trim it, and you lose a view that you've 520 00:28:12,895 --> 00:28:16,175 Speaker 2: enjoyed for a number of years. What are your rights 521 00:28:16,255 --> 00:28:19,335 Speaker 2: or under the Property Act in terms of going to 522 00:28:19,375 --> 00:28:21,375 Speaker 2: the neighbor and saying, hey, look, how would you feel 523 00:28:21,375 --> 00:28:24,295 Speaker 2: about keeping that tree trimmed so that I can keep 524 00:28:24,335 --> 00:28:30,255 Speaker 2: my view? What's your actual rights in terms of enjoying 525 00:28:30,255 --> 00:28:32,175 Speaker 2: a view? So we might talk about that as well. 526 00:28:32,175 --> 00:28:35,455 Speaker 2: But we will definitely be talking about the Fencing Act 527 00:28:35,855 --> 00:28:39,015 Speaker 2: with Ben Thompson after the News at eight, and if 528 00:28:39,055 --> 00:28:41,855 Speaker 2: you've got any specific questions about that, feel free to 529 00:28:42,135 --> 00:28:44,895 Speaker 2: text them through. I mentioned this morning that leaving my 530 00:28:45,015 --> 00:28:49,295 Speaker 2: place the marathon, the Auckland Marathon is underweigh now. I 531 00:28:49,335 --> 00:28:51,575 Speaker 2: think the first runners took off at about six o'clock. 532 00:28:52,615 --> 00:28:55,095 Speaker 2: I think people in my household. Could hear the hooter 533 00:28:55,295 --> 00:28:57,935 Speaker 2: go at about six? Certainly there are a number of 534 00:28:58,015 --> 00:29:01,295 Speaker 2: road closures around. And then I was thinking. I sort 535 00:29:01,335 --> 00:29:04,135 Speaker 2: of said to people, hey, good luck for the marathon. 536 00:29:04,175 --> 00:29:06,495 Speaker 2: But I'm not sure that many people would listens talk 537 00:29:06,535 --> 00:29:08,855 Speaker 2: back what you would listen to? I hope you do. 538 00:29:08,975 --> 00:29:11,415 Speaker 2: But would you be listening to that while running a marathon? 539 00:29:11,455 --> 00:29:13,815 Speaker 2: I'm not so sure. Anyway. A couple of texts I 540 00:29:13,855 --> 00:29:16,095 Speaker 2: always run with news Talk SAIDB I get that, I 541 00:29:16,135 --> 00:29:17,895 Speaker 2: get going for a run, I listened to it when 542 00:29:17,935 --> 00:29:19,695 Speaker 2: I'm going for a walk, and those sorts of things. 543 00:29:20,415 --> 00:29:23,175 Speaker 2: But do I would I run with zid B? Would 544 00:29:23,175 --> 00:29:24,575 Speaker 2: I run a marathon listening to ZIDB? 545 00:29:24,695 --> 00:29:25,015 Speaker 5: Why not? 546 00:29:25,415 --> 00:29:26,735 Speaker 2: You want to tune into the news. You want to 547 00:29:26,735 --> 00:29:29,015 Speaker 2: see what happens with the all Blacks. Anyway, if you're 548 00:29:29,055 --> 00:29:31,455 Speaker 2: out there slogging your way through the marathon, good luck 549 00:29:31,495 --> 00:29:35,415 Speaker 2: to you today. It looks like a fairly decent old 550 00:29:35,455 --> 00:29:38,575 Speaker 2: day to be doing it, but a reasonably stiff breeze. 551 00:29:38,615 --> 00:29:41,895 Speaker 2: As you're working your way up the Harbor Bridge heading 552 00:29:41,935 --> 00:29:45,255 Speaker 2: for the city, it looked like a fairly brisk southerly, 553 00:29:45,535 --> 00:29:47,455 Speaker 2: so that'll be right in your face as you're heading 554 00:29:47,495 --> 00:29:50,095 Speaker 2: up the incline of the Harbor Bridge today, I would 555 00:29:50,095 --> 00:29:53,935 Speaker 2: imagine that the sort of the leading runners would have been, 556 00:29:54,415 --> 00:29:56,095 Speaker 2: they would have been over the bridge probably half an 557 00:29:56,095 --> 00:29:59,415 Speaker 2: hour ago. Radio we're back after new Sport and weather. 558 00:29:59,535 --> 00:30:02,575 Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call, 559 00:30:02,775 --> 00:30:06,295 Speaker 2: or you can text nine two nine two for all 560 00:30:06,335 --> 00:30:10,015 Speaker 2: of your building questions and again any specific questions around 561 00:30:10,055 --> 00:30:13,295 Speaker 2: the Fencing Act or property law. Our lawyer is going 562 00:30:13,335 --> 00:30:16,495 Speaker 2: to join us your news talks. He'd be welcome back 563 00:30:16,495 --> 00:30:19,735 Speaker 2: to the program. This is the resident builder on Sunday. 564 00:30:19,775 --> 00:30:22,255 Speaker 2: I'm Pete wolf Camp, resident builder, and it is an 565 00:30:22,295 --> 00:30:25,655 Speaker 2: opportunity for you to talk all things building and construction, 566 00:30:26,655 --> 00:30:30,735 Speaker 2: and that could include contractors and even contractors' rates. I'm 567 00:30:30,735 --> 00:30:34,175 Speaker 2: always a little reluctant to talk too much at too 568 00:30:34,415 --> 00:30:38,895 Speaker 2: much detail around rates and so on. In a general sense, 569 00:30:38,935 --> 00:30:40,695 Speaker 2: I'm more than happy to discuss it. But you know, 570 00:30:40,855 --> 00:30:44,255 Speaker 2: ultimately it's always it's like real estate. There's got to 571 00:30:44,255 --> 00:30:46,935 Speaker 2: be a willing buyer and a willing seller, and if 572 00:30:46,935 --> 00:30:49,575 Speaker 2: you've worked out a rate that is acceptable to both 573 00:30:49,615 --> 00:30:53,375 Speaker 2: of you, then that's what the rate is. You know, 574 00:30:53,455 --> 00:30:58,855 Speaker 2: there's no standardization. It's it's not like an employment, let's say, 575 00:30:58,895 --> 00:31:05,175 Speaker 2: where you expect that income or salary of a person 576 00:31:05,215 --> 00:31:07,855 Speaker 2: doing this type of work is around this rate, and 577 00:31:07,855 --> 00:31:10,935 Speaker 2: it's sort of standard over the industry. In the end, 578 00:31:10,975 --> 00:31:14,415 Speaker 2: contractors to some degree can charge whatever they like, and 579 00:31:14,455 --> 00:31:17,255 Speaker 2: if you are happy to pay for it, then you'll 580 00:31:17,295 --> 00:31:20,095 Speaker 2: do so because you've accepted the quote or you've accepted 581 00:31:20,095 --> 00:31:23,895 Speaker 2: the estimate, and the work will proceed. And the reason 582 00:31:23,895 --> 00:31:26,015 Speaker 2: that I mentioned that this is that one of the 583 00:31:26,015 --> 00:31:29,215 Speaker 2: earlier texts I got was, hey, look, I've just had 584 00:31:29,255 --> 00:31:31,735 Speaker 2: a quote. It works out to about one hundred and 585 00:31:31,775 --> 00:31:35,095 Speaker 2: two workers one hundred and twenty dollars per hour, you know, 586 00:31:35,135 --> 00:31:36,615 Speaker 2: and they're looking at that, going, oh, hang on, I 587 00:31:36,655 --> 00:31:39,255 Speaker 2: think the apprentice is being paid about thirty dollars an hour. 588 00:31:39,575 --> 00:31:44,135 Speaker 2: Does that seem Is it normal? Was the question. So 589 00:31:44,175 --> 00:31:49,895 Speaker 2: it's one hundred and twenty dollars plus GST was the question, 590 00:31:50,295 --> 00:31:53,375 Speaker 2: Which is you know, is that a reasonable rate? Well, 591 00:31:53,375 --> 00:31:56,335 Speaker 2: it depends on the quality of the work, the workers, 592 00:31:56,775 --> 00:31:59,415 Speaker 2: their level of competency, you know, are they quick? 593 00:32:00,375 --> 00:32:00,655 Speaker 6: You know? 594 00:32:00,655 --> 00:32:02,615 Speaker 2: Do you want to pay sort of eighty dollars an 595 00:32:02,615 --> 00:32:05,215 Speaker 2: hour for a tradesperson who ready cracks through the work? 596 00:32:05,615 --> 00:32:07,415 Speaker 2: Or do you want to pay the seventy dollars an 597 00:32:07,415 --> 00:32:10,255 Speaker 2: hour for someone who takes twice as long. It's all 598 00:32:10,295 --> 00:32:13,135 Speaker 2: of those sorts of things. Does get quite tricky, doesn't it. Oh, eight, 599 00:32:13,175 --> 00:32:17,575 Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 600 00:32:17,695 --> 00:32:20,375 Speaker 2: And here this is another classic text. But I don't 601 00:32:20,375 --> 00:32:23,615 Speaker 2: have a crystal ball. Unfortunately, Good morning, Pete. The house 602 00:32:23,655 --> 00:32:26,815 Speaker 2: next to us has been sold to developer. Will they 603 00:32:26,855 --> 00:32:28,935 Speaker 2: will remove the house and put two new dwellings on 604 00:32:28,975 --> 00:32:30,895 Speaker 2: the site. At the moment there is a pit of 605 00:32:30,895 --> 00:32:33,215 Speaker 2: sparm hedge on the boundary and it's lovely and quite 606 00:32:33,375 --> 00:32:35,975 Speaker 2: natural question. Can they take the hedge down and put 607 00:32:35,975 --> 00:32:38,015 Speaker 2: a fence up? Can I request the fence to go 608 00:32:38,095 --> 00:32:40,655 Speaker 2: on their side of the hedging so the hedging can 609 00:32:40,695 --> 00:32:43,775 Speaker 2: be kept. If the hedging was to come down and 610 00:32:43,815 --> 00:32:47,055 Speaker 2: they want a fence, do I need to contribute? Well, Christine, 611 00:32:47,055 --> 00:32:49,295 Speaker 2: that's fantastic question. I'm not going to answer it, but 612 00:32:49,335 --> 00:32:52,215 Speaker 2: I will put that to Ben Thompson, who is going 613 00:32:52,255 --> 00:32:54,055 Speaker 2: to join us in the next hour of the program. 614 00:32:54,095 --> 00:32:57,135 Speaker 2: Because he is a property lawyer or a lawyer specializing 615 00:32:57,135 --> 00:33:00,415 Speaker 2: in property, and in particular he's going to be able 616 00:33:00,455 --> 00:33:03,735 Speaker 2: to answer specific questions around the fencing Act. So stay tuned, 617 00:33:03,815 --> 00:33:06,215 Speaker 2: Christine and I will put that question to him. Which 618 00:33:06,375 --> 00:33:09,135 Speaker 2: taking your calls? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty 619 00:33:09,295 --> 00:33:11,175 Speaker 2: is the number, Jane A very good morning. 620 00:33:11,935 --> 00:33:15,775 Speaker 8: Oh good morning, listen. I'm a great listener, but I 621 00:33:15,815 --> 00:33:18,895 Speaker 8: haven't been listening this morning because I don't want to 622 00:33:18,935 --> 00:33:20,295 Speaker 8: know the score of the ORBUK. 623 00:33:20,935 --> 00:33:24,415 Speaker 2: I will stop being informative and tell everybody I won't 624 00:33:24,415 --> 00:33:24,975 Speaker 2: say a word. 625 00:33:25,615 --> 00:33:28,055 Speaker 8: Oh that's good to see. I've got it recorded and 626 00:33:28,135 --> 00:33:31,615 Speaker 8: I want to wait. So I'm just wondering. I know 627 00:33:31,735 --> 00:33:36,615 Speaker 8: you went over to see the Block Australians months ago. Yes, 628 00:33:36,975 --> 00:33:40,735 Speaker 8: it is, and I'm wondering we obviously aren't going to 629 00:33:40,775 --> 00:33:43,375 Speaker 8: get it on TV three or I. 630 00:33:43,375 --> 00:33:47,055 Speaker 2: Can't answer that because I don't know. I would imagine 631 00:33:47,055 --> 00:33:49,615 Speaker 2: that we probably will get to see it. 632 00:33:49,615 --> 00:33:50,015 Speaker 4: It was. 633 00:33:50,055 --> 00:33:53,695 Speaker 2: It was tremendously popular. I know that in Australia it's 634 00:33:53,815 --> 00:33:57,135 Speaker 2: almost at the end of its broadcasting run. I don't 635 00:33:57,295 --> 00:34:00,415 Speaker 2: believe that they as an when I went, they were 636 00:34:00,455 --> 00:34:04,175 Speaker 2: in production, so they filmed the show, they record the show, 637 00:34:04,255 --> 00:34:07,855 Speaker 2: and then they broadcast it. That broadcast things on at 638 00:34:07,855 --> 00:34:10,855 Speaker 2: the moment, and the auction I think is probably in 639 00:34:10,895 --> 00:34:13,095 Speaker 2: the near future, maybe the next couple of weeks or so, 640 00:34:13,615 --> 00:34:16,735 Speaker 2: and typically what happens is once that happens, then we 641 00:34:17,015 --> 00:34:19,255 Speaker 2: maybe get to see it here in New Zealand. After that, 642 00:34:19,335 --> 00:34:21,855 Speaker 2: I hope we do. You know, it was it was 643 00:34:21,895 --> 00:34:24,015 Speaker 2: a great experience to go and have a look at it. 644 00:34:24,775 --> 00:34:29,775 Speaker 2: The scale and size of it is phenomenal, and judging 645 00:34:29,815 --> 00:34:31,975 Speaker 2: by some of the stuff I've seen on social media, 646 00:34:32,255 --> 00:34:35,375 Speaker 2: it's been another controversial season for the Block Australia. 647 00:34:38,375 --> 00:34:41,575 Speaker 8: So I'm disappointed because I watched every year and I thought, 648 00:34:41,735 --> 00:34:44,535 Speaker 8: oh so disappointing that we haven't got it. 649 00:34:44,655 --> 00:34:49,015 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that we well, I haven't seen anything announced, 650 00:34:49,015 --> 00:34:50,735 Speaker 2: but it wouldn't surprise me if we do see it 651 00:34:50,775 --> 00:34:53,375 Speaker 2: in the next couple of weeks or months coming on 652 00:34:53,855 --> 00:34:55,535 Speaker 2: to TV, and I certainly. 653 00:34:55,215 --> 00:34:55,655 Speaker 4: Hope I do. 654 00:34:56,455 --> 00:34:58,655 Speaker 8: So do I thought you might be a bit. 655 00:34:58,495 --> 00:35:01,215 Speaker 2: More than that, and I've kind of been saving up. 656 00:35:01,255 --> 00:35:03,095 Speaker 2: While I was over there, I had the opportunity to 657 00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:05,215 Speaker 2: spend not a lot of time, but a little bit 658 00:35:05,215 --> 00:35:08,655 Speaker 2: of time with got A Cam, the presenter and host 659 00:35:08,735 --> 00:35:11,695 Speaker 2: of the show, and then just before I left, I 660 00:35:11,775 --> 00:35:14,935 Speaker 2: grabbed him for a ten minute chat. So I've still 661 00:35:14,975 --> 00:35:19,895 Speaker 2: got that interview and once the either the series finishes 662 00:35:19,935 --> 00:35:22,575 Speaker 2: in Australia or when it starts here, I'll put that 663 00:35:22,735 --> 00:35:25,375 Speaker 2: on the radio and you can have a tune in 664 00:35:25,415 --> 00:35:29,935 Speaker 2: to my conversation with him. Delightful guy, very hospitable, had 665 00:35:29,975 --> 00:35:32,895 Speaker 2: a really good chat bit of a catch up, So 666 00:35:33,175 --> 00:35:34,135 Speaker 2: stay tuned for that one. 667 00:35:35,215 --> 00:35:41,135 Speaker 8: Oh well, let's hope we get It's trouble. 668 00:35:43,255 --> 00:35:46,215 Speaker 2: All the best joke. See then, oh eight hundred eighty 669 00:35:46,295 --> 00:35:51,095 Speaker 2: ten eighty. Remember I've got a Ben Thompson Lawyers specifically 670 00:35:51,095 --> 00:35:53,015 Speaker 2: to talk about the Fencing Act. If you've got any 671 00:35:53,295 --> 00:35:55,975 Speaker 2: text questions just like the one from Christine that you'd 672 00:35:56,015 --> 00:35:58,455 Speaker 2: like to send it through, you can do that to 673 00:35:58,775 --> 00:36:01,895 Speaker 2: nine to nine two. Good morning to you, John. 674 00:36:02,895 --> 00:36:07,855 Speaker 3: Good morning Pete, Pete. I've pulled my kitchen out and 675 00:36:08,015 --> 00:36:13,335 Speaker 3: where the dishwasher was. The water leaked at one stage 676 00:36:13,495 --> 00:36:18,055 Speaker 3: because we used to tablet in the dishwasher and apparently 677 00:36:18,095 --> 00:36:22,175 Speaker 3: it all foamed up and stopped and stopped the switch 678 00:36:22,255 --> 00:36:29,495 Speaker 3: inside from activating, stop the water flowing into it. And 679 00:36:30,055 --> 00:36:34,495 Speaker 3: at one point the water's leaped into the particle board flooring. 680 00:36:35,095 --> 00:36:39,055 Speaker 3: So a small area that's about it's shaped like a pea. 681 00:36:39,415 --> 00:36:44,815 Speaker 3: It's about two hundred by one fifty, from one fifty 682 00:36:44,855 --> 00:36:48,735 Speaker 3: to one hundred and tapering down to mill at the 683 00:36:48,815 --> 00:36:55,255 Speaker 3: bottom of the pea, and then the water's moved along. Sorry, 684 00:36:55,295 --> 00:36:59,055 Speaker 3: that pea area has I've scraped it all out, all 685 00:36:59,095 --> 00:37:02,415 Speaker 3: the soft stuff out, so it's about half of the 686 00:37:02,495 --> 00:37:06,575 Speaker 3: original depth, so that there's probably a ten mil hole 687 00:37:06,615 --> 00:37:11,215 Speaker 3: in there, and the water is trained to cross the 688 00:37:11,375 --> 00:37:16,175 Speaker 3: floor to a small area that's all a little bit dodgy, 689 00:37:16,295 --> 00:37:18,615 Speaker 3: not too bad. I've scraped it all off down to 690 00:37:18,775 --> 00:37:21,775 Speaker 3: where it's a lot firmer, and I'm thinking I should 691 00:37:21,895 --> 00:37:27,775 Speaker 3: use something like a timber lock to lock the fibers 692 00:37:27,775 --> 00:37:31,335 Speaker 3: in and then I can paint it and maybe fill 693 00:37:31,375 --> 00:37:36,695 Speaker 3: it over with something like that contact filler contract FILA. 694 00:37:36,815 --> 00:37:39,095 Speaker 3: I'm thinking, what do you reckon? 695 00:37:41,415 --> 00:37:44,175 Speaker 2: Is it reasonable access? Like obviously, once you've taken the 696 00:37:44,175 --> 00:37:46,095 Speaker 2: dish washer out, you can get to that area. 697 00:37:47,615 --> 00:37:49,855 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can read the whole chin, the whole 698 00:37:49,895 --> 00:37:51,615 Speaker 3: floor of is all. 699 00:37:51,975 --> 00:37:53,615 Speaker 2: Take the whole kitchen out. 700 00:37:54,695 --> 00:37:58,215 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, because well the kitchen was nearly fifty years old, 701 00:37:59,615 --> 00:38:03,015 Speaker 3: you know, put a new kitchen. Look natural fact, we're 702 00:38:03,055 --> 00:38:07,015 Speaker 3: moving the kitchen to a different area, sure, and where 703 00:38:07,015 --> 00:38:09,575 Speaker 3: it's going to be it's probably a kind of the 704 00:38:09,655 --> 00:38:12,495 Speaker 3: area is probably going to be underneath a couch that 705 00:38:12,535 --> 00:38:18,375 Speaker 3: we're going to put there. Look, I think the whole 706 00:38:18,415 --> 00:38:21,975 Speaker 3: particle board flow down all across, and I'm thinking I 707 00:38:21,975 --> 00:38:25,015 Speaker 3: should paint it or to seal the particle board. 708 00:38:25,895 --> 00:38:30,175 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I think my approach would be the area 709 00:38:30,215 --> 00:38:34,855 Speaker 2: that's obviously had some decay from the water. I would actually, 710 00:38:34,895 --> 00:38:37,575 Speaker 2: if you're going to end up either carpeting or doing 711 00:38:37,575 --> 00:38:40,055 Speaker 2: some sort of covering over the top of it, I 712 00:38:40,095 --> 00:38:42,775 Speaker 2: would just drop the skill saw through it, cut out 713 00:38:42,775 --> 00:38:45,015 Speaker 2: a section of the floor, you know, use a multi 714 00:38:45,015 --> 00:38:48,455 Speaker 2: tool to clean up the corners, fix a couple of 715 00:38:48,695 --> 00:38:52,135 Speaker 2: pleats underneath, and drop a new piece of flooring in there. 716 00:38:52,695 --> 00:38:54,175 Speaker 2: You could always flush it off with a bit of 717 00:38:54,175 --> 00:38:59,175 Speaker 2: floor leveling compound and then do your carpet or flooring 718 00:38:59,535 --> 00:39:02,655 Speaker 2: over the top of it. Because in the ten millimeters 719 00:39:02,695 --> 00:39:06,895 Speaker 2: of old particle board is you know, someone could potentially 720 00:39:06,895 --> 00:39:09,415 Speaker 2: put their foot through that, or the corner of a couch, 721 00:39:09,495 --> 00:39:11,415 Speaker 2: you know, the leg of a couch or something like that. 722 00:39:11,735 --> 00:39:13,535 Speaker 2: So I just think for all of the effort that 723 00:39:13,575 --> 00:39:16,215 Speaker 2: you're going through to scrape it out and treat it 724 00:39:16,255 --> 00:39:18,775 Speaker 2: and all the rest of it, I given that you're 725 00:39:18,815 --> 00:39:20,975 Speaker 2: going to have a new covering, I just dropped the skill, 726 00:39:20,975 --> 00:39:23,615 Speaker 2: sew through it, cut out that section, drop another piece 727 00:39:23,615 --> 00:39:27,175 Speaker 2: of flooring, and carry on from there. It'll be way 728 00:39:27,255 --> 00:39:28,495 Speaker 2: quicker with the. 729 00:39:28,535 --> 00:39:32,695 Speaker 3: Flowing on my painting of using those those planks shi 730 00:39:32,775 --> 00:39:36,935 Speaker 3: fit together on topp would they have enough They would 731 00:39:36,935 --> 00:39:39,975 Speaker 3: have enough strength and it wouldn't. So not to worry 732 00:39:40,015 --> 00:39:43,415 Speaker 3: too much about the softness of the board underneath, which 733 00:39:43,455 --> 00:39:46,095 Speaker 3: is only. 734 00:39:44,855 --> 00:39:46,855 Speaker 2: I'm looking at it going. You know, ideally you want 735 00:39:46,895 --> 00:39:49,815 Speaker 2: to remove anything that's that's rotten, because the other thing 736 00:39:49,855 --> 00:39:52,255 Speaker 2: that will probably happen is that even if you remove 737 00:39:52,335 --> 00:39:56,535 Speaker 2: the soft area, the area below it will probably continue 738 00:39:56,535 --> 00:39:59,135 Speaker 2: to decay even if you treat it, because that's just 739 00:39:59,175 --> 00:40:03,575 Speaker 2: the nature of old particle board. So and if you 740 00:40:03,615 --> 00:40:06,175 Speaker 2: and I were lined up on the starter's blocks and 741 00:40:06,335 --> 00:40:08,735 Speaker 2: we went right, the intention is to finish this little job. 742 00:40:09,095 --> 00:40:11,015 Speaker 2: I reckon I could get in there with a multi 743 00:40:11,055 --> 00:40:14,495 Speaker 2: tool and a bit of you know, replacement ply or 744 00:40:14,535 --> 00:40:17,695 Speaker 2: particle board, chop it out and have that done while 745 00:40:17,695 --> 00:40:20,015 Speaker 2: you're still scraping out the last of it. So I 746 00:40:20,415 --> 00:40:22,615 Speaker 2: just think speed wise it would be a quicker job 747 00:40:22,655 --> 00:40:25,335 Speaker 2: as well, just to cut it out, drop a new. 748 00:40:25,255 --> 00:40:28,975 Speaker 3: Piece particle board. The particle hoard's not easy to come 749 00:40:29,015 --> 00:40:32,495 Speaker 3: by these days because they've dropping a bit of. 750 00:40:34,015 --> 00:40:38,335 Speaker 2: Dropping here boring, Yeah, just dropping a bit of plywood. 751 00:40:39,935 --> 00:40:40,455 Speaker 3: Of plywood. 752 00:40:40,695 --> 00:40:42,855 Speaker 2: Yeah, and even you know, if you can't get to 753 00:40:42,855 --> 00:40:44,895 Speaker 2: the undersite to put in some noogs or something like that, 754 00:40:45,015 --> 00:40:47,335 Speaker 2: I just screw a cleat underneath it, screw it through 755 00:40:47,335 --> 00:40:50,015 Speaker 2: from the top, drop your new piece, and blew it. 756 00:40:50,815 --> 00:40:54,015 Speaker 2: Job done. That's what I would do. Anyway, what you're 757 00:40:54,015 --> 00:40:56,775 Speaker 2: doing is that's okay, but I think it'll be faster 758 00:40:56,975 --> 00:40:59,735 Speaker 2: and slightly more reliable just to cut it out, drop 759 00:40:59,735 --> 00:41:02,015 Speaker 2: a new piece and over the top. Good luck with 760 00:41:02,015 --> 00:41:04,215 Speaker 2: the whole process, John, sounds like a good project. Oh 761 00:41:04,215 --> 00:41:06,175 Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number of 762 00:41:06,335 --> 00:41:09,215 Speaker 2: all mark A very good morning to you. 763 00:41:10,375 --> 00:41:15,015 Speaker 6: Thank good morning, Peter mate. I have an issue on 764 00:41:15,055 --> 00:41:19,495 Speaker 6: the on the building myself. But I've had a steel 765 00:41:19,535 --> 00:41:23,655 Speaker 6: framed shed constructed on a on a property that belongs 766 00:41:23,695 --> 00:41:28,775 Speaker 6: to a friend of mine, and I came to start 767 00:41:28,775 --> 00:41:31,735 Speaker 6: putting the windows, and once the shed was enclosed, because 768 00:41:31,775 --> 00:41:34,095 Speaker 6: the company didn't have anyone with the skills to actually 769 00:41:34,095 --> 00:41:38,415 Speaker 6: put the windows. And that this is going to be dwelling. Yes, 770 00:41:38,815 --> 00:41:42,095 Speaker 6: the sheds had to be disassembled and taken right back 771 00:41:42,135 --> 00:41:45,895 Speaker 6: down to this lab because there wasn't a put more 772 00:41:45,975 --> 00:41:50,695 Speaker 6: parallel line than the entire building on a ringing up 773 00:41:50,735 --> 00:41:54,695 Speaker 6: to see who does the shed belong to? Those materials? 774 00:41:54,735 --> 00:41:58,415 Speaker 6: Once it's must have been disassembled and everything, the company's 775 00:41:58,455 --> 00:42:00,335 Speaker 6: coming back to replace it. 776 00:42:00,975 --> 00:42:06,655 Speaker 2: Oh, I see. So, So the situation is the person 777 00:42:06,695 --> 00:42:10,695 Speaker 2: that you know, neighbor friend has contracted a company to 778 00:42:10,735 --> 00:42:14,895 Speaker 2: assemble a steel shed on site. Have they paid for that? 779 00:42:16,415 --> 00:42:19,655 Speaker 2: Oh yep, yep, so they paid for it. Then they've 780 00:42:19,695 --> 00:42:22,815 Speaker 2: realized that it was poorly built, and the company is 781 00:42:23,015 --> 00:42:26,855 Speaker 2: the company that originally supplied and built it, are coming back. 782 00:42:26,855 --> 00:42:30,735 Speaker 2: They're going to take it down and effectively replace it 783 00:42:30,735 --> 00:42:31,535 Speaker 2: with a new building. 784 00:42:33,855 --> 00:42:36,695 Speaker 6: Well they got they got me to put up the 785 00:42:36,855 --> 00:42:39,095 Speaker 6: new one. So it's all totally framed up again. This 786 00:42:39,295 --> 00:42:45,495 Speaker 6: time it's all the level and bum and square. I'm 787 00:42:45,615 --> 00:42:48,655 Speaker 6: just wondering about the old materials. 788 00:42:49,295 --> 00:42:54,735 Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting because technically, well no, if if your friend 789 00:42:54,815 --> 00:42:57,735 Speaker 2: has paid for it, then I guess they own what 790 00:42:57,895 --> 00:43:02,375 Speaker 2: is now surplus materials. And if the contractor did, they want. 791 00:43:03,975 --> 00:43:07,935 Speaker 6: To take the progress payment, right cupboard. 792 00:43:10,655 --> 00:43:15,535 Speaker 2: Look the simplest way to me would be for the 793 00:43:15,615 --> 00:43:19,095 Speaker 2: client to ring the contractor and say, look, there is 794 00:43:19,175 --> 00:43:22,455 Speaker 2: materials left over. Do you intend to remove them? They'll 795 00:43:22,455 --> 00:43:24,895 Speaker 2: probably go no, because it's not worth anything to us. 796 00:43:25,655 --> 00:43:29,415 Speaker 6: Then they know that yeah, they want to remove them, 797 00:43:30,735 --> 00:43:32,215 Speaker 6: but they could be useful. 798 00:43:33,655 --> 00:43:35,055 Speaker 5: This is a rural. 799 00:43:34,775 --> 00:43:36,975 Speaker 6: Property and there's enough to put up another. 800 00:43:36,735 --> 00:43:38,455 Speaker 2: Shed, right they. 801 00:43:40,495 --> 00:43:46,935 Speaker 6: Actually, yeah, the contracts taking advantage of the slady. 802 00:43:47,415 --> 00:43:51,535 Speaker 2: But if the contractor has come back remediated the building 803 00:43:51,615 --> 00:43:54,935 Speaker 2: by supplying the materials, and I presume paying you the 804 00:43:55,015 --> 00:43:56,815 Speaker 2: labor or who's paid you to do. 805 00:43:56,735 --> 00:43:59,615 Speaker 6: The work, yep, they paid you. 806 00:43:59,575 --> 00:44:03,615 Speaker 2: Right, so they have delivered on their contract, which is 807 00:44:04,295 --> 00:44:09,935 Speaker 2: to put up a shed in the appropriate manner, let's say, 808 00:44:09,935 --> 00:44:12,775 Speaker 2: and they've got you to do that. But the materials 809 00:44:12,935 --> 00:44:17,215 Speaker 2: I'm guessing are still theirs. You know, Like if you 810 00:44:17,295 --> 00:44:21,215 Speaker 2: did a job for a client and there was well, 811 00:44:21,815 --> 00:44:25,215 Speaker 2: if you quoted it, let's say, and you had a 812 00:44:25,255 --> 00:44:27,255 Speaker 2: couple of sticks of four to two left over at 813 00:44:27,255 --> 00:44:30,855 Speaker 2: the end of it, you would take those with you, Yep. 814 00:44:31,815 --> 00:44:34,015 Speaker 2: I would look at it that way that if there's 815 00:44:34,255 --> 00:44:37,975 Speaker 2: you know, portal legs or frames or gussets or bits 816 00:44:37,975 --> 00:44:41,375 Speaker 2: of material that are left over, they would go back 817 00:44:41,535 --> 00:44:46,055 Speaker 2: with the contractor because they're surplus to requirements and they're 818 00:44:46,095 --> 00:44:50,855 Speaker 2: not a benefit for the client. They're the contractors. I 819 00:44:50,855 --> 00:44:55,535 Speaker 2: would have thought you would have thought it, yeah, because 820 00:44:55,615 --> 00:44:59,215 Speaker 2: I'm struggling to in my own mind try and justify 821 00:44:59,855 --> 00:45:04,135 Speaker 2: you being able to take them given that there's no deficit, 822 00:45:04,415 --> 00:45:07,175 Speaker 2: you know, in the sense that the contractor has come back, 823 00:45:07,215 --> 00:45:11,255 Speaker 2: they've done the remediation, they've built or had built as shed. 824 00:45:11,695 --> 00:45:15,495 Speaker 2: So any surplus materials remain the contractors because you've only 825 00:45:15,495 --> 00:45:17,775 Speaker 2: paid once for it. If they said, look, you've got 826 00:45:17,815 --> 00:45:20,815 Speaker 2: to pay again, then yes, the other materials are yours. 827 00:45:20,935 --> 00:45:24,695 Speaker 2: But as long as your your friend has only paid 828 00:45:24,775 --> 00:45:28,415 Speaker 2: once for the shed, then any surplus material surely should 829 00:45:28,455 --> 00:45:30,615 Speaker 2: be the contractors. 830 00:45:32,135 --> 00:45:34,015 Speaker 6: Right, Okay, that's how I say. 831 00:45:34,895 --> 00:45:38,175 Speaker 2: But I mean, look, you know, maybe it's if you're 832 00:45:38,215 --> 00:45:40,495 Speaker 2: on good terms with the lawyer, might or your your 833 00:45:40,495 --> 00:45:43,055 Speaker 2: friend is. It'd be worth phoning and just saying and 834 00:45:43,095 --> 00:45:45,655 Speaker 2: they'll have looked through the contract. But I would have 835 00:45:45,655 --> 00:45:51,255 Speaker 2: thought that it should go back to the contractor. 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We're talking a little bit about 861 00:47:18,535 --> 00:47:23,335 Speaker 2: contractors and rates, a bit of a tricky area because yeah, 862 00:47:23,415 --> 00:47:26,095 Speaker 2: for reasons that I'll explain the moment, Liz, Good morning 863 00:47:26,135 --> 00:47:26,455 Speaker 2: to you. 864 00:47:27,495 --> 00:47:34,575 Speaker 9: Oh morning, Peter. I just have a question about a 865 00:47:34,615 --> 00:47:38,215 Speaker 9: window that's been installed at a large double based window. 866 00:47:41,575 --> 00:47:44,855 Speaker 9: So I accepted the quote. I paid fifty percent. The 867 00:47:44,975 --> 00:47:50,215 Speaker 9: window was made, the window has now been installed, and 868 00:47:52,375 --> 00:47:55,975 Speaker 9: a builder whom I know commented, you know, asked how 869 00:47:56,215 --> 00:48:00,855 Speaker 9: it had gone. Had they installed a wand bar? Where 870 00:48:00,975 --> 00:48:07,175 Speaker 9: is sel tray? And I said, have no idea. He 871 00:48:07,935 --> 00:48:11,695 Speaker 9: came around and had a look and said that they 872 00:48:11,815 --> 00:48:16,615 Speaker 9: have actually done an average job. And I met with 873 00:48:16,735 --> 00:48:21,575 Speaker 9: him and he pointed out a number of things that 874 00:48:22,415 --> 00:48:27,935 Speaker 9: are wrong. And I don't know if you want me 875 00:48:27,975 --> 00:48:32,735 Speaker 9: to go go into any detail, but we got on 876 00:48:32,775 --> 00:48:41,095 Speaker 9: the phone with the contractor and discussed the issues, and 877 00:48:41,575 --> 00:48:46,295 Speaker 9: I stepped in and the chap was going to order 878 00:48:46,535 --> 00:48:51,935 Speaker 9: a larger what do you call what's the name of 879 00:48:51,975 --> 00:48:55,775 Speaker 9: the thing at the top of the window, and I 880 00:48:55,855 --> 00:48:59,255 Speaker 9: stepped in and I said, look, please, before you go 881 00:48:59,295 --> 00:49:05,975 Speaker 9: ahead and order anything or make anything, I'm really not 882 00:49:06,055 --> 00:49:09,495 Speaker 9: sure what I need to think. Whether you know I'll 883 00:49:09,495 --> 00:49:12,535 Speaker 9: have you back to finish the work. Yeah, I've actually 884 00:49:12,575 --> 00:49:17,375 Speaker 9: lost all trust in him, and legally I don't. I'm 885 00:49:17,455 --> 00:49:22,535 Speaker 9: still owing fifty percent. Legally, I don't know where I stand. 886 00:49:25,135 --> 00:49:27,655 Speaker 9: You know, people I've spoken to said I need to 887 00:49:27,655 --> 00:49:31,695 Speaker 9: give the person the opportunity to come back and rectify, 888 00:49:31,855 --> 00:49:35,735 Speaker 9: but I don't trust to guy. Yeah, and it's not 889 00:49:36,775 --> 00:49:39,935 Speaker 9: a small amount of money that I'm owing. 890 00:49:40,215 --> 00:49:44,255 Speaker 2: So so, just a couple of quick questions. Was the 891 00:49:44,335 --> 00:49:48,095 Speaker 2: window that was installed it was not just the glazing 892 00:49:48,175 --> 00:49:50,855 Speaker 2: was obviously a whole new window. And did it go 893 00:49:50,975 --> 00:49:54,495 Speaker 2: into an existing opening or did they create a new 894 00:49:54,535 --> 00:49:56,775 Speaker 2: opening for that to be installed into. 895 00:49:57,695 --> 00:50:01,095 Speaker 9: Yeah, remove the old window and it was it was 896 00:50:01,135 --> 00:50:02,775 Speaker 9: a replacement, right. 897 00:50:03,135 --> 00:50:07,655 Speaker 2: And the old joinery was aluminium, I presume, yep. And 898 00:50:07,815 --> 00:50:14,175 Speaker 2: the new joinery is aluminium correct, yep? And did the 899 00:50:14,335 --> 00:50:19,295 Speaker 2: old joinery have a wands bar which is a reinforcing 900 00:50:19,295 --> 00:50:20,575 Speaker 2: bar that goes underneath it. 901 00:50:21,615 --> 00:50:24,535 Speaker 9: No, but it wasn't double glazed, right. 902 00:50:24,535 --> 00:50:30,575 Speaker 2: Okay, the wends bar does fulfill a purpose, right, it 903 00:50:30,575 --> 00:50:33,655 Speaker 2: offers because we tend to hang our cladding our joinery 904 00:50:33,655 --> 00:50:35,895 Speaker 2: on the outside of the cladding, it offers up some 905 00:50:36,055 --> 00:50:39,815 Speaker 2: support to the underside of the joinery frame. That's why 906 00:50:39,855 --> 00:50:43,775 Speaker 2: it's there. I sort of understand why the contract. If 907 00:50:43,815 --> 00:50:47,615 Speaker 2: there wasn't one there before, would you put one in now? 908 00:50:48,495 --> 00:50:51,175 Speaker 2: And obviously they've taken the route of saying no, I'm 909 00:50:51,175 --> 00:50:53,735 Speaker 2: not going to because in order to do it, they'd 910 00:50:53,735 --> 00:50:56,375 Speaker 2: probably have to remove more of the cladding below the 911 00:50:56,415 --> 00:50:59,135 Speaker 2: window in order to do that, and that makes the 912 00:50:59,215 --> 00:51:01,415 Speaker 2: job a little bit more complicated because you've then got 913 00:51:01,415 --> 00:51:08,975 Speaker 2: to repair that cladding as well. I mean, look, a 914 00:51:09,015 --> 00:51:11,415 Speaker 2: little bit of it depends on what was written down 915 00:51:11,455 --> 00:51:15,575 Speaker 2: on the quote. So if in the quote it says 916 00:51:16,175 --> 00:51:21,295 Speaker 2: window to be installed to current building code requirements, then 917 00:51:21,455 --> 00:51:24,255 Speaker 2: and the building code in that instance might have required 918 00:51:24,295 --> 00:51:26,695 Speaker 2: a WANs bar, then a WANs bar should have been installed. 919 00:51:28,095 --> 00:51:32,255 Speaker 2: If the discussion leading up to the job was more about, look, 920 00:51:32,255 --> 00:51:33,775 Speaker 2: we've got this window, we're going to take it out. 921 00:51:33,815 --> 00:51:35,375 Speaker 2: We're going to put another one back in the same 922 00:51:35,455 --> 00:51:38,535 Speaker 2: place and put it in the same manner that the 923 00:51:38,575 --> 00:51:41,655 Speaker 2: old one was installed, and that didn't include a WANs bar, 924 00:51:41,855 --> 00:51:45,095 Speaker 2: then you know, if you were informed of that and 925 00:51:45,495 --> 00:51:49,935 Speaker 2: that's you know, you've accepted that, then that you could 926 00:51:50,015 --> 00:51:52,935 Speaker 2: argue that that would be okay. The advice that you're 927 00:51:52,935 --> 00:51:57,055 Speaker 2: getting from your friends around allowing the contractor to come 928 00:51:57,135 --> 00:52:02,615 Speaker 2: back is correct. My understanding is that if there is 929 00:52:02,655 --> 00:52:05,535 Speaker 2: a dispute over you know, the quality of workmanship and 930 00:52:05,575 --> 00:52:08,855 Speaker 2: those sorts of things, you can't It's more that you 931 00:52:08,935 --> 00:52:12,135 Speaker 2: can't just go and get like your mate who's come 932 00:52:12,175 --> 00:52:14,295 Speaker 2: around to look at it, to say, right, I'm going 933 00:52:14,335 --> 00:52:15,775 Speaker 2: to get you to fix it, and then I'm going 934 00:52:15,815 --> 00:52:19,255 Speaker 2: to send the other contractor a bill or I'm not 935 00:52:19,375 --> 00:52:21,815 Speaker 2: going to pay the contractor because I'm going to use 936 00:52:21,815 --> 00:52:25,055 Speaker 2: that money to pay somebody else. So there is you 937 00:52:25,095 --> 00:52:27,375 Speaker 2: do need to make the offer to the other contractor. 938 00:52:27,535 --> 00:52:31,175 Speaker 2: I suppose what you can do is say, look, here 939 00:52:31,255 --> 00:52:35,295 Speaker 2: is a list of defects with the work. You can 940 00:52:35,375 --> 00:52:37,575 Speaker 2: come back to complete the work, but I'm going to 941 00:52:37,615 --> 00:52:41,695 Speaker 2: have it independently assessed, and if the work meets the 942 00:52:41,695 --> 00:52:44,735 Speaker 2: requirements of the code and you know, is up to 943 00:52:44,775 --> 00:52:47,655 Speaker 2: the standard for the installation, then I will pay you. 944 00:52:48,295 --> 00:52:50,735 Speaker 2: But if it's not, then I'm not going to pay. 945 00:52:51,775 --> 00:52:54,895 Speaker 9: Yeah, but I just I do not want the guy 946 00:52:54,975 --> 00:52:55,975 Speaker 9: back on my property. 947 00:52:58,775 --> 00:53:01,455 Speaker 2: Yeah, that ultimately is you know, you're better off getting 948 00:53:01,455 --> 00:53:03,575 Speaker 2: an answer from a lawyer, because I certainly don't want 949 00:53:03,575 --> 00:53:05,695 Speaker 2: to give you some advice saying okay, well look just 950 00:53:05,695 --> 00:53:08,055 Speaker 2: tell him that he can't finish the job and you'll 951 00:53:08,095 --> 00:53:11,215 Speaker 2: get someone else to finish it, because you know, you 952 00:53:11,615 --> 00:53:14,855 Speaker 2: might be essentially breaking the law there, So you'd want 953 00:53:14,895 --> 00:53:17,455 Speaker 2: to make sure that if that's the case, that you 954 00:53:17,535 --> 00:53:22,095 Speaker 2: have good reason to do that. And you know, if 955 00:53:22,135 --> 00:53:24,175 Speaker 2: you decide that you're not going to pay the balance 956 00:53:24,215 --> 00:53:27,575 Speaker 2: of the invoice, that you can also back that up 957 00:53:27,615 --> 00:53:28,015 Speaker 2: as well. 958 00:53:31,055 --> 00:53:34,415 Speaker 9: When you say a lawyer, is it is Citizens Advice 959 00:53:34,535 --> 00:53:37,455 Speaker 9: Bureau sufficient or do I need to go to a lawyer? 960 00:53:38,335 --> 00:53:41,735 Speaker 2: That's really a question that Citizens' Advice would ask offer up. 961 00:53:42,655 --> 00:53:45,695 Speaker 2: I know that I do know people who are lawyers 962 00:53:46,055 --> 00:53:49,535 Speaker 2: who do work, you know, volunteer work at Citizens Advice, 963 00:53:49,575 --> 00:53:51,695 Speaker 2: So I guess if you're getting advice from a lawyer, 964 00:53:51,695 --> 00:53:56,175 Speaker 2: But then they might say this can constitute general advice, 965 00:53:56,255 --> 00:54:02,495 Speaker 2: not specific advice and so on. Yeah, looks it is 966 00:54:02,535 --> 00:54:06,655 Speaker 2: a tricky situation, and sometimes these things are little bit 967 00:54:06,695 --> 00:54:15,055 Speaker 2: of balance, So you know, like is what you're so ultimately, 968 00:54:15,135 --> 00:54:17,895 Speaker 2: does the window perform as it should. You know, it 969 00:54:17,935 --> 00:54:22,055 Speaker 2: doesn't leak, it's you can open it and so on. 970 00:54:22,215 --> 00:54:25,375 Speaker 2: And if that's the case, and then is what your 971 00:54:25,415 --> 00:54:27,975 Speaker 2: friend is saying perhaps just being a bit picky or 972 00:54:28,015 --> 00:54:30,335 Speaker 2: a bit vnickity, you know, I mean, look, for a 973 00:54:30,375 --> 00:54:33,095 Speaker 2: long time, we install joinery without a wands bar. Now 974 00:54:33,135 --> 00:54:35,935 Speaker 2: we do. Does all of that joinery that got installed 975 00:54:35,975 --> 00:54:38,335 Speaker 2: that didn't have a WANs bar fail? No, it didn't. 976 00:54:38,735 --> 00:54:41,575 Speaker 2: So you know what I mean, You've you've you've got 977 00:54:41,615 --> 00:54:43,455 Speaker 2: to have a little bit of balance in these situations 978 00:54:43,495 --> 00:54:43,855 Speaker 2: as well. 979 00:54:44,855 --> 00:54:48,135 Speaker 9: Yeah, totally understand. But the window is already scouting to. 980 00:54:48,175 --> 00:54:52,055 Speaker 2: Say, oh yeah, okay, well in that case the way yep. 981 00:54:54,055 --> 00:54:59,335 Speaker 9: So I mean I've kept the lines of communication open 982 00:54:59,375 --> 00:55:04,255 Speaker 9: with the guy. I haven't just not correspondent corresponded with 983 00:55:04,935 --> 00:55:05,495 Speaker 9: I tell you what. 984 00:55:05,575 --> 00:55:10,495 Speaker 2: The other the other option, the other pathway is perhaps 985 00:55:10,535 --> 00:55:14,615 Speaker 2: to you know, put down your concerns in writing. Say 986 00:55:14,655 --> 00:55:17,935 Speaker 2: to the contractor, I've had a price. Let's say it's 987 00:55:17,935 --> 00:55:20,015 Speaker 2: a five thousand dollar job. You've paid two and a 988 00:55:20,015 --> 00:55:22,935 Speaker 2: half thousand dollars and it's going to cost you one 989 00:55:22,935 --> 00:55:27,895 Speaker 2: thousand dollars to have your another contractor come and remediate 990 00:55:27,975 --> 00:55:30,695 Speaker 2: the work is to say to the person, look, i've 991 00:55:30,735 --> 00:55:33,855 Speaker 2: lost confidence in your ability to do the job. I 992 00:55:33,935 --> 00:55:36,895 Speaker 2: understand that you've got costs, so I'm going to deduct 993 00:55:36,975 --> 00:55:40,535 Speaker 2: the cost of the remediation, the labor costs of the 994 00:55:40,615 --> 00:55:44,615 Speaker 2: remediation off the invoice. This is my offer to you 995 00:55:44,815 --> 00:55:48,735 Speaker 2: of let's say four thousand dollars total payment, full and 996 00:55:48,815 --> 00:55:51,855 Speaker 2: final settlement. Do you accept that? And if they go 997 00:55:52,135 --> 00:55:55,575 Speaker 2: yes and they're prepared to walk away, then you've been fair. 998 00:55:56,095 --> 00:55:59,815 Speaker 2: But it's left you with some money left over that 999 00:55:59,895 --> 00:56:07,815 Speaker 2: you can use to have the remediation done. That's another possibility, right, yep, yep. Okay, 1000 00:56:08,015 --> 00:56:11,975 Speaker 2: make sure it's in writing and make sure it gets accepted. Yeah, 1001 00:56:12,575 --> 00:56:14,655 Speaker 2: all right, good luck. Look, I'm sorry to hear this, 1002 00:56:14,695 --> 00:56:19,135 Speaker 2: and it's there's good luck with that. These conversations, quite 1003 00:56:19,215 --> 00:56:22,855 Speaker 2: genuinely are difficult right to have, because we all wish 1004 00:56:22,935 --> 00:56:27,055 Speaker 2: that every single contractor did their job well. We all wish, 1005 00:56:27,055 --> 00:56:31,095 Speaker 2: as contract is that every single client was reasonable, but 1006 00:56:31,215 --> 00:56:33,535 Speaker 2: these disputes do occur. It's been a good part of 1007 00:56:33,615 --> 00:56:38,015 Speaker 2: yesterday writing essentially a report along exactly the same lines. 1008 00:56:38,695 --> 00:56:40,495 Speaker 2: I went to have a look at a job where 1009 00:56:40,695 --> 00:56:43,375 Speaker 2: someone was introduced to me asked me to come out 1010 00:56:43,415 --> 00:56:46,095 Speaker 2: and go. Can you give us an independent assessment of 1011 00:56:46,135 --> 00:56:48,495 Speaker 2: the quality of the work. Some of it was okay, 1012 00:56:48,615 --> 00:56:52,575 Speaker 2: but some of it wasn't. And also they offered some 1013 00:56:52,815 --> 00:56:55,815 Speaker 2: terrible advice to the client as well, which I thought 1014 00:56:55,855 --> 00:57:00,735 Speaker 2: was unprofessional. So it's not nice things to be involved in. 1015 00:57:00,855 --> 00:57:05,535 Speaker 2: But not every job goes well. Oh eight one hundred 1016 00:57:05,535 --> 00:57:07,495 Speaker 2: and eighty ten eight is the number to call. We're 1017 00:57:07,495 --> 00:57:10,615 Speaker 2: getting some great texts for our property expert coming up 1018 00:57:10,695 --> 00:57:13,575 Speaker 2: after the break. In fact, probably enough questions to be 1019 00:57:13,615 --> 00:57:16,295 Speaker 2: fair on the fencing Act at the stage, so looking 1020 00:57:16,295 --> 00:57:20,935 Speaker 2: forward to that conversation. Ben Thompson from Pigeon Judd Lawyers 1021 00:57:20,975 --> 00:57:23,215 Speaker 2: will be with us after eight o'clock. We're taking your 1022 00:57:23,255 --> 00:57:25,975 Speaker 2: calls right now. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty 1023 00:57:26,175 --> 00:57:28,135 Speaker 2: is the number call. Will take short break, will be 1024 00:57:28,175 --> 00:57:30,575 Speaker 2: back to Tracy in just a moment. Your news soalks 1025 00:57:30,815 --> 00:57:33,175 Speaker 2: be at is seven forty on a Sunday morning and 1026 00:57:33,215 --> 00:57:35,975 Speaker 2: a chance to catch up with Mike Olds from Razine 1027 00:57:35,975 --> 00:57:39,975 Speaker 2: Construction Systems and Mike again, thanks to you and the 1028 00:57:40,015 --> 00:57:44,295 Speaker 2: team for those Lego prizes for the competition that we ran. 1029 00:57:44,895 --> 00:57:48,375 Speaker 2: They were gratefully received. And again for team New Zealand's 1030 00:57:48,375 --> 00:57:50,975 Speaker 2: involvement with Razine. That's but fantastic. 1031 00:57:51,935 --> 00:57:54,015 Speaker 7: You're welcome. Take you're welcome, I put down Jordan. 1032 00:57:54,215 --> 00:57:56,775 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I'll tell you what. The last conversation we 1033 00:57:56,895 --> 00:58:01,535 Speaker 2: just had was around contractors and quality. So for you 1034 00:58:01,815 --> 00:58:05,215 Speaker 2: at rezin construction with the exterior cladding, you've got a 1035 00:58:05,255 --> 00:58:07,775 Speaker 2: particular way of managing contractors, don't you. 1036 00:58:08,895 --> 00:58:11,695 Speaker 7: Yeah, we did it, and we started it back in 1037 00:58:11,815 --> 00:58:15,135 Speaker 7: sort of early two thousands, and it was all around 1038 00:58:15,255 --> 00:58:19,735 Speaker 7: sort of providing surety back to the consumer. And part 1039 00:58:19,775 --> 00:58:22,575 Speaker 7: of that process is what we call it's like an 1040 00:58:22,615 --> 00:58:27,295 Speaker 7: on site quality assurance program whereby at the once the 1041 00:58:27,415 --> 00:58:31,695 Speaker 7: because plasters don't just generally plaster, so they do obviously, 1042 00:58:31,855 --> 00:58:36,335 Speaker 7: but a lot of the contractors supply and install the 1043 00:58:36,375 --> 00:58:40,175 Speaker 7: substrates now and also the flashing suites around the openings 1044 00:58:40,255 --> 00:58:44,415 Speaker 7: and the like, and they also have awareness around penetrations 1045 00:58:44,415 --> 00:58:49,215 Speaker 7: through walls for pipes, electrical roofing connections and the like. 1046 00:58:49,615 --> 00:58:52,815 Speaker 7: So there's a lot of complexity in the system. So 1047 00:58:53,815 --> 00:58:56,415 Speaker 7: we started a number of years ago now with the 1048 00:58:56,535 --> 00:59:01,855 Speaker 7: on site quality assurance which we go and review projects 1049 00:59:01,855 --> 00:59:04,775 Speaker 7: that have our systems installed to them and we check 1050 00:59:04,815 --> 00:59:09,495 Speaker 7: around these these types of details alongside the contractor, so 1051 00:59:09,535 --> 00:59:12,335 Speaker 7: we do that. It's a substrate, so if something needs 1052 00:59:12,375 --> 00:59:14,535 Speaker 7: to be changed or it's not quite correct from it 1053 00:59:14,615 --> 00:59:19,175 Speaker 7: that our trade or another trade, then it's a best 1054 00:59:19,215 --> 00:59:23,015 Speaker 7: opportunity to rectify and remedy so that it will perform. 1055 00:59:24,015 --> 00:59:26,735 Speaker 7: And then when we get to the final stage of 1056 00:59:26,735 --> 00:59:31,015 Speaker 7: the project, so once it's been painted and rendered and finished, 1057 00:59:31,455 --> 00:59:35,095 Speaker 7: we come to a final review and that just checks 1058 00:59:35,095 --> 00:59:37,535 Speaker 7: around the detailing and things like that, because sometimes you 1059 00:59:37,575 --> 00:59:41,415 Speaker 7: get to a project and they've decided to change something 1060 00:59:41,575 --> 00:59:43,975 Speaker 7: after it's been after it's been plaid, and they decide 1061 00:59:44,015 --> 00:59:46,495 Speaker 7: to drill a hole through a wall, which may seem 1062 00:59:46,535 --> 00:59:49,775 Speaker 7: reasonably inconsequential at the time. However, if it's in a 1063 00:59:49,975 --> 00:59:52,895 Speaker 7: very very high wind zone for example, it needs to 1064 00:59:52,935 --> 00:59:55,015 Speaker 7: be fueled against the building underlay, for example. So there's 1065 00:59:55,055 --> 00:59:57,535 Speaker 7: other questions that need to be asked and things need 1066 00:59:57,575 --> 00:59:59,615 Speaker 7: to be checked so that we don't have issues down 1067 00:59:59,655 --> 01:00:01,855 Speaker 7: the track. So it's very much offense at the top 1068 01:00:01,895 --> 01:00:04,255 Speaker 7: of a cliff type scenario rather than the ambulance at 1069 01:00:04,295 --> 01:00:07,295 Speaker 7: bottom of the cliff and trying to resolve something which 1070 01:00:07,335 --> 01:00:11,095 Speaker 7: is much more difficult after the fact. And that sets 1071 01:00:11,175 --> 01:00:14,615 Speaker 7: up our process to issue warranties and the light for 1072 01:00:14,655 --> 01:00:16,055 Speaker 7: the contractors. 1073 01:00:16,575 --> 01:00:20,255 Speaker 2: So there is that constant observation supervision of the process. 1074 01:00:21,015 --> 01:00:23,535 Speaker 7: Yeah, there's images that are held on file from these 1075 01:00:23,575 --> 01:00:25,575 Speaker 7: reviews that we do as well, so when we look 1076 01:00:25,575 --> 01:00:29,055 Speaker 7: at it in ten years time, fifteen or twenty years time, 1077 01:00:29,335 --> 01:00:31,775 Speaker 7: we've got some history, we know we can understand that 1078 01:00:31,935 --> 01:00:35,375 Speaker 7: visually as well. Alongside that peak, you've also the contractors 1079 01:00:35,375 --> 01:00:39,215 Speaker 7: are all LBP licensed professionals in this trade as well, 1080 01:00:39,295 --> 01:00:41,255 Speaker 7: so they know what they're looking at and they should 1081 01:00:41,335 --> 01:00:45,135 Speaker 7: know what they're looking to achieve for all these individual projects, 1082 01:00:45,135 --> 01:00:48,215 Speaker 7: because every job is different. You know, they may just 1083 01:00:48,335 --> 01:00:51,055 Speaker 7: seem like the clouding, but you know there's different connections, 1084 01:00:51,055 --> 01:00:53,375 Speaker 7: different junctions, different trades that we deal with and have 1085 01:00:53,455 --> 01:00:57,255 Speaker 7: different understandings and experience in the trade as well. So 1086 01:00:58,655 --> 01:01:01,175 Speaker 7: it's really just about surety for our clients and for 1087 01:01:01,255 --> 01:01:04,255 Speaker 7: our contractors and equally those who they're working for. 1088 01:01:04,815 --> 01:01:09,375 Speaker 2: And every single job gets logged and registered and all 1089 01:01:09,375 --> 01:01:11,255 Speaker 2: of that information has kept. That's impressive. 1090 01:01:11,935 --> 01:01:14,855 Speaker 7: Absolutely, it's not on our system. We don't know about it. 1091 01:01:14,975 --> 01:01:15,295 Speaker 4: Yep. 1092 01:01:15,535 --> 01:01:18,415 Speaker 2: Fantastic, Mike, Thanks very much. I know you're on the 1093 01:01:18,455 --> 01:01:21,655 Speaker 2: road this morning. Safe travels and we'll catch up again soon. 1094 01:01:21,735 --> 01:01:25,015 Speaker 2: So Mike Old's from Razine Construction Systems. If you want 1095 01:01:25,015 --> 01:01:27,335 Speaker 2: to find out more, have a look at Razineconstruction dot 1096 01:01:27,375 --> 01:01:32,775 Speaker 2: co dot nz radio back in just mo. I quite 1097 01:01:32,855 --> 01:01:34,535 Speaker 2: like this text and we'll talk to Tracy in just 1098 01:01:34,575 --> 01:01:39,615 Speaker 2: a moment for its honesty, Peepe. Sometimes builder friends can 1099 01:01:39,815 --> 01:01:42,375 Speaker 2: just cause bigger issues than needs to be. It's a 1100 01:01:42,375 --> 01:01:44,895 Speaker 2: difficult one. By the sound of the flashing, the job 1101 01:01:44,975 --> 01:01:47,895 Speaker 2: was average. Surely there is a right to rectify. That's 1102 01:01:47,935 --> 01:01:50,295 Speaker 2: the phrase, a right to rectify. So if you've done 1103 01:01:50,295 --> 01:01:52,895 Speaker 2: something as a contractor that's not quite right, you have 1104 01:01:52,935 --> 01:01:56,775 Speaker 2: a right to rectify it. A client can't just go 1105 01:01:56,815 --> 01:01:58,935 Speaker 2: off and get someone else to do it and expect 1106 01:01:59,015 --> 01:02:00,375 Speaker 2: you to pay for it, so you do have a 1107 01:02:00,455 --> 01:02:04,735 Speaker 2: right to rectify. Thanks Andy. Look, it's always balanced, right, 1108 01:02:04,775 --> 01:02:07,615 Speaker 2: there's always two sides of the story. But I think 1109 01:02:07,655 --> 01:02:09,975 Speaker 2: you've summed it up very well. Thanks for your text 1110 01:02:10,015 --> 01:02:12,215 Speaker 2: on that one. Tracy, A very good morning to you. 1111 01:02:13,375 --> 01:02:14,735 Speaker 2: Good morning. 1112 01:02:15,375 --> 01:02:15,575 Speaker 6: Hi. 1113 01:02:16,015 --> 01:02:20,375 Speaker 10: Hey, Look, I've got an issue in the mornings, and 1114 01:02:20,455 --> 01:02:23,135 Speaker 10: I'm not saying that the day's warmed up completely, but 1115 01:02:23,855 --> 01:02:27,015 Speaker 10: I get this dripping sound between where my hot water 1116 01:02:27,095 --> 01:02:30,135 Speaker 10: cylinder is and it's right next to my bathroom and 1117 01:02:30,175 --> 01:02:33,175 Speaker 10: backs onto my shower, so there is concerns that that's 1118 01:02:33,215 --> 01:02:36,575 Speaker 10: where there's a lot of water. Right now, the dripping 1119 01:02:36,775 --> 01:02:40,615 Speaker 10: either sounds like it's hitting tin or sometimes it can 1120 01:02:40,695 --> 01:02:43,695 Speaker 10: sound like it's hitting in your shower, the bottom of 1121 01:02:43,695 --> 01:02:46,095 Speaker 10: your shower. You don't get that drip drip, but there's 1122 01:02:46,135 --> 01:02:49,975 Speaker 10: literally you can't see any water anywhere. Now this happened, 1123 01:02:49,975 --> 01:02:54,015 Speaker 10: never happens at night, only during the day, and that 1124 01:02:54,255 --> 01:02:58,175 Speaker 10: changes its noise. I can go drip, drip, drip, drip, 1125 01:02:58,415 --> 01:03:01,855 Speaker 10: and then stop and then go drip drip, drip, drip drip, 1126 01:03:02,175 --> 01:03:07,455 Speaker 10: absolutely dripping, right, So I get a plumber in and 1127 01:03:07,615 --> 01:03:09,215 Speaker 10: he went to go up in to the roof. I know, 1128 01:03:09,335 --> 01:03:13,815 Speaker 10: the skillion roof, yes right, yeah, so it's gone up, 1129 01:03:13,815 --> 01:03:16,015 Speaker 10: but of course it's start too narrow to be able 1130 01:03:16,055 --> 01:03:16,575 Speaker 10: to get in. 1131 01:03:16,495 --> 01:03:17,495 Speaker 6: And see yep. 1132 01:03:18,295 --> 01:03:23,415 Speaker 10: Now, having been in a leaky home before, it's been 1133 01:03:23,575 --> 01:03:27,495 Speaker 10: left behind because they can't figure it out, and it's like, oh, 1134 01:03:27,735 --> 01:03:34,095 Speaker 10: it doesn't matter and it's detrimental to my house, you see, 1135 01:03:34,375 --> 01:03:38,375 Speaker 10: So would I be concerned? Could that be the steel 1136 01:03:38,495 --> 01:03:41,335 Speaker 10: roof settling every day? It seems a bit besars me 1137 01:03:42,295 --> 01:03:44,295 Speaker 10: or condensation underneath it. 1138 01:03:46,255 --> 01:03:54,015 Speaker 2: And yes, yes, okay, so the sound, so it's definitely 1139 01:03:54,175 --> 01:03:58,095 Speaker 2: the sound of water dripping that you're hearing, but you 1140 01:03:58,135 --> 01:04:03,175 Speaker 2: don't see any evidence of so you know, there's no 1141 01:04:03,775 --> 01:04:06,255 Speaker 2: wet patch on the floor, there's no evidence of mold 1142 01:04:06,375 --> 01:04:09,455 Speaker 2: growth on the wall, the ceiling, you're not starting to 1143 01:04:09,495 --> 01:04:12,975 Speaker 2: see anything come through there. And the sound, it's always 1144 01:04:12,975 --> 01:04:16,055 Speaker 2: in the same location or it changes moves around. 1145 01:04:17,215 --> 01:04:19,375 Speaker 10: No, it always affects the same. 1146 01:04:20,495 --> 01:04:27,015 Speaker 2: Right in the ceiling it used to be. 1147 01:04:27,135 --> 01:04:30,135 Speaker 10: Yeah, they can't see any rout and I'm still in 1148 01:04:30,175 --> 01:04:33,295 Speaker 10: the shower box and listen. Then you can say, well, no, 1149 01:04:33,375 --> 01:04:37,895 Speaker 10: it's not coming from there, so it's just as you 1150 01:04:37,975 --> 01:04:40,895 Speaker 10: walk into the bathroom, but just where the hot water 1151 01:04:40,975 --> 01:04:43,775 Speaker 10: cylinder is. But it's a reasonably new house, so it 1152 01:04:43,815 --> 01:04:47,215 Speaker 10: doesn't it can't be the ageingsel apparently. 1153 01:04:48,575 --> 01:04:48,775 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1154 01:04:49,615 --> 01:04:52,935 Speaker 2: Is there an overflow onto the roof from the from 1155 01:04:52,975 --> 01:04:55,935 Speaker 2: the cylinder? Okay, so the overflow goes back down and 1156 01:04:56,015 --> 01:04:56,935 Speaker 2: through the plumbing and out. 1157 01:04:57,015 --> 01:04:57,255 Speaker 4: Yep. 1158 01:04:58,295 --> 01:04:59,295 Speaker 10: Yeah. 1159 01:04:59,495 --> 01:05:02,695 Speaker 2: When you say reasonably new house two three five years 1160 01:05:03,375 --> 01:05:03,735 Speaker 2: oh no. 1161 01:05:03,815 --> 01:05:06,575 Speaker 10: Okay, so maybe it's not very recently new. I think 1162 01:05:06,615 --> 01:05:07,975 Speaker 10: it was about twenty fourteen. 1163 01:05:08,175 --> 01:05:10,095 Speaker 3: No, that's ten years ago. 1164 01:05:10,175 --> 01:05:17,735 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, what type of roof is it? Is it 1165 01:05:17,855 --> 01:05:18,535 Speaker 2: longer than iron? 1166 01:05:19,695 --> 01:05:19,895 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1167 01:05:19,895 --> 01:05:20,335 Speaker 6: I think so. 1168 01:05:21,175 --> 01:05:27,135 Speaker 2: And the length of the run above the area where 1169 01:05:27,135 --> 01:05:32,015 Speaker 2: you're hearing the sound, like, is that a recentably short 1170 01:05:32,055 --> 01:05:34,815 Speaker 2: sheet three four meters or is it a much longer 1171 01:05:34,855 --> 01:05:37,975 Speaker 2: sheet like seven or eight meters long, which is not uncommon? 1172 01:05:39,295 --> 01:05:41,815 Speaker 10: Okay? Could you bear with me because I didn't get 1173 01:05:41,935 --> 01:05:45,335 Speaker 10: up there that I did ask the builder if he 1174 01:05:45,335 --> 01:05:47,655 Speaker 10: would take a photograph, not the builder of the plumber, 1175 01:05:48,295 --> 01:05:50,655 Speaker 10: if he would take a photograph of the roof for me, 1176 01:05:52,615 --> 01:05:57,295 Speaker 10: just so you know, I don't know why, it seems 1177 01:05:57,575 --> 01:06:00,455 Speaker 10: because this is the the end of it's taping, is 1178 01:06:00,495 --> 01:06:01,855 Speaker 10: the low ends of the roof. 1179 01:06:02,055 --> 01:06:06,055 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder whether it's I wonder whether there is 1180 01:06:06,095 --> 01:06:09,615 Speaker 2: a possibility that, especially in a skillion type roof, because 1181 01:06:09,695 --> 01:06:12,815 Speaker 2: the you know, there's not as much ventilation, you might 1182 01:06:12,855 --> 01:06:16,055 Speaker 2: get a bit more condensation in there if, for example, 1183 01:06:16,095 --> 01:06:19,295 Speaker 2: there's a tear in the in the roofing underlay the 1184 01:06:19,335 --> 01:06:22,375 Speaker 2: sort of building paper that we put underneath the roofing, 1185 01:06:23,575 --> 01:06:28,295 Speaker 2: and possibly condensation is being collected from, you know, further 1186 01:06:28,375 --> 01:06:30,975 Speaker 2: up the roofing sheet. And the idea of the roofing 1187 01:06:31,055 --> 01:06:33,615 Speaker 2: underlay is that when you get condensation on the underside 1188 01:06:33,655 --> 01:06:37,735 Speaker 2: of iron, which is not uncommon, it then falls onto 1189 01:06:37,775 --> 01:06:41,575 Speaker 2: the roofing underlay, tracks along the roofing underlay and drops 1190 01:06:41,615 --> 01:06:45,375 Speaker 2: out into the spouting. So if there was a tear 1191 01:06:45,615 --> 01:06:49,535 Speaker 2: in the roofing underlay for some reason, maybe another penetration 1192 01:06:49,935 --> 01:06:52,655 Speaker 2: or someone's just ripped it and not bothered to repair it, 1193 01:06:53,055 --> 01:06:57,895 Speaker 2: then water condensation could track along there, hit that opening 1194 01:06:57,935 --> 01:07:00,575 Speaker 2: in the underlay, and drop down onto the ceiling, and 1195 01:07:00,655 --> 01:07:03,655 Speaker 2: that might be the sound. But then the flip side 1196 01:07:03,655 --> 01:07:06,255 Speaker 2: to that is that often you know you'll have enslav 1197 01:07:06,535 --> 01:07:10,215 Speaker 2: in there, So a water drop that lands on insulation, 1198 01:07:10,655 --> 01:07:12,975 Speaker 2: it won't really make a sound because it's not a 1199 01:07:13,015 --> 01:07:16,535 Speaker 2: hard surface to sort of drum against exactly. 1200 01:07:16,615 --> 01:07:20,335 Speaker 10: And I can't imagine with the noise that it's making, 1201 01:07:21,055 --> 01:07:25,975 Speaker 10: I can't imagine that it's dripping onto a ceiling. And 1202 01:07:26,495 --> 01:07:29,735 Speaker 10: as I said, that either sounds like sometimes it sounds 1203 01:07:29,775 --> 01:07:36,935 Speaker 10: like or else it sounds like the plastic in your shower. Yeah, 1204 01:07:37,295 --> 01:07:40,695 Speaker 10: I'm not going to do anything in regards to the roof. 1205 01:07:41,135 --> 01:07:43,255 Speaker 10: That's all long run from the top. 1206 01:07:43,135 --> 01:07:45,895 Speaker 2: Straight down to the bottom right, and that distance would 1207 01:07:45,935 --> 01:07:49,455 Speaker 2: be six seven meters ten meters. 1208 01:07:52,335 --> 01:07:56,375 Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not sure. 1209 01:07:56,975 --> 01:08:02,015 Speaker 2: No, that's all right. And so that the plumber, the 1210 01:08:02,055 --> 01:08:04,535 Speaker 2: plumber that came to site wasn't able to offer up 1211 01:08:04,535 --> 01:08:05,055 Speaker 2: a suggestion. 1212 01:08:06,455 --> 01:08:09,815 Speaker 10: No, no, he just he climbed up and looked on 1213 01:08:09,855 --> 01:08:13,935 Speaker 10: the roof and sort of listened. 1214 01:08:14,455 --> 01:08:14,895 Speaker 6: He reckoned. 1215 01:08:14,935 --> 01:08:17,895 Speaker 10: He could hear it loud outside, but then I went 1216 01:08:17,935 --> 01:08:20,295 Speaker 10: out when it was happening later on and I couldn't 1217 01:08:20,335 --> 01:08:22,895 Speaker 10: hear it. So yeah, it's got better hearing than me. 1218 01:08:25,455 --> 01:08:28,215 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 1219 01:08:28,255 --> 01:08:30,575 Speaker 10: I just worried that. But this it's every day, but 1220 01:08:30,655 --> 01:08:32,535 Speaker 10: it's never at nice, is. 1221 01:08:32,575 --> 01:08:33,855 Speaker 2: It in summer and winter? 1222 01:08:36,095 --> 01:08:40,135 Speaker 10: I think so your memory, I'm not really Oh, it's 1223 01:08:40,375 --> 01:08:42,735 Speaker 10: because normally I will have a radio on or some 1224 01:08:42,775 --> 01:08:46,015 Speaker 10: sort of noise in the house, so you don't notice. 1225 01:08:47,255 --> 01:08:51,055 Speaker 10: The house is just one long yep it. 1226 01:08:52,455 --> 01:08:54,055 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1227 01:08:53,135 --> 01:08:57,735 Speaker 2: I wonder whether you know, like, if it's something that 1228 01:08:57,815 --> 01:09:01,135 Speaker 2: happens in the morning, then that's when you get condensations, right, 1229 01:09:01,175 --> 01:09:03,615 Speaker 2: you don't typically get condensation at the end of the day. 1230 01:09:04,055 --> 01:09:06,055 Speaker 2: It's there in the morning when you have gone from 1231 01:09:06,335 --> 01:09:10,135 Speaker 2: cold temperatures to warm temperatures. So and if it is 1232 01:09:11,015 --> 01:09:13,815 Speaker 2: like if it happens when it hasn't been raining, then 1233 01:09:14,095 --> 01:09:17,495 Speaker 2: it's going to be condensation if it if it happened 1234 01:09:17,495 --> 01:09:20,135 Speaker 2: when it was raining, then it's a leak. And if 1235 01:09:20,175 --> 01:09:22,575 Speaker 2: it is condensation that's stripping down, then it might be 1236 01:09:22,615 --> 01:09:24,775 Speaker 2: a problem with the roofing underlay. But the only way 1237 01:09:24,815 --> 01:09:27,575 Speaker 2: to check that would be to remove the roof. Now, again, 1238 01:09:27,655 --> 01:09:30,975 Speaker 2: if it's a ten year old building, the advantage is 1239 01:09:31,015 --> 01:09:33,775 Speaker 2: that the roofing will be screwed down with text crews, 1240 01:09:34,095 --> 01:09:37,215 Speaker 2: in which case a roofer could come remove some sections, 1241 01:09:37,375 --> 01:09:40,295 Speaker 2: inspect that area and then lay the sheets back down 1242 01:09:40,335 --> 01:09:42,695 Speaker 2: so you're not having to replace sheets or anything like that. 1243 01:09:44,695 --> 01:09:47,735 Speaker 2: Some plumbers do roofing, but not all of them, But 1244 01:09:47,775 --> 01:09:50,175 Speaker 2: if you can find a plumber who also does some roofing, 1245 01:09:50,695 --> 01:09:53,535 Speaker 2: I think that might be your next best option in 1246 01:09:53,615 --> 01:09:56,935 Speaker 2: terms of investigating, is to remove a sheet and have 1247 01:09:56,975 --> 01:09:59,175 Speaker 2: a look at the substrate and see if you can 1248 01:09:59,175 --> 01:10:03,215 Speaker 2: see any evidence of the water leaking. So good luck 1249 01:10:03,335 --> 01:10:06,215 Speaker 2: with that. May also be expansion noise, but we can 1250 01:10:06,615 --> 01:10:09,255 Speaker 2: we'll discuss that another day news coming up top of 1251 01:10:09,255 --> 01:10:12,655 Speaker 2: the hour at eight o'clock and then Ben Thompson is 1252 01:10:12,695 --> 01:10:14,935 Speaker 2: going to join us your news talks. They'd be welcome 1253 01:10:14,935 --> 01:10:17,495 Speaker 2: back to the program. Remember at eight thirty we'll get 1254 01:10:17,495 --> 01:10:20,135 Speaker 2: into the garden with the Red Climb past who's going 1255 01:10:20,175 --> 01:10:22,215 Speaker 2: to dial in. He's on the road today, so we 1256 01:10:22,335 --> 01:10:25,575 Speaker 2: will be talking all things gardening and the wonderful world 1257 01:10:25,615 --> 01:10:28,255 Speaker 2: of bugs with Red Client Pass from eight thirty. But 1258 01:10:28,415 --> 01:10:31,575 Speaker 2: right now, one of the questions that comes up with 1259 01:10:31,655 --> 01:10:34,135 Speaker 2: one of the topics that's raised on the show fairly 1260 01:10:34,215 --> 01:10:38,855 Speaker 2: regularly is around fences, because well, basically, we've all got 1261 01:10:38,855 --> 01:10:41,015 Speaker 2: neighbors and most of the time we got fences and 1262 01:10:41,615 --> 01:10:46,615 Speaker 2: was it good fences make good neighbors basically, So when 1263 01:10:46,695 --> 01:10:49,415 Speaker 2: there's a discussion about the fence or the height, or 1264 01:10:49,455 --> 01:10:53,055 Speaker 2: the location, or the cost or the contributions, it all 1265 01:10:53,095 --> 01:10:55,655 Speaker 2: comes down to the Fencing Act. And it is my 1266 01:10:55,735 --> 01:10:57,975 Speaker 2: great pleasure to welcome to the show for the first 1267 01:10:58,015 --> 01:11:01,575 Speaker 2: time Ben Thompson, who is a lawyer with Pigeon Judd, 1268 01:11:02,455 --> 01:11:04,815 Speaker 2: and we are going to be talking about the Fencing 1269 01:11:04,855 --> 01:11:07,695 Speaker 2: Act and some property stuff. Well, Ben, thanks for joining 1270 01:11:07,775 --> 01:11:08,295 Speaker 2: us this morning. 1271 01:11:09,335 --> 01:11:12,375 Speaker 4: Hi Bete, Yeah, no problem. 1272 01:11:11,335 --> 01:11:13,575 Speaker 2: Really looking forward to this chat. And I have to 1273 01:11:13,615 --> 01:11:16,175 Speaker 2: say since we started, we were starting a little bit 1274 01:11:16,255 --> 01:11:18,655 Speaker 2: late as we had the all Blacks test to cover 1275 01:11:18,735 --> 01:11:23,775 Speaker 2: off first, but I've had a flood of text messages 1276 01:11:23,975 --> 01:11:27,775 Speaker 2: around fencing. So let's focus a little bit if we can, 1277 01:11:28,375 --> 01:11:31,775 Speaker 2: on the Fencing Act. So I had a quick look 1278 01:11:31,895 --> 01:11:34,935 Speaker 2: online and there it is the Fencing Act nineteen seventy eight. 1279 01:11:35,255 --> 01:11:37,095 Speaker 2: What's the intent of the Act? 1280 01:11:39,375 --> 01:11:44,775 Speaker 4: Effectively to regulate the relationship between parties on a neighboring 1281 01:11:44,775 --> 01:11:48,415 Speaker 4: parties in relation to their boundary fans. It's not intended 1282 01:11:48,455 --> 01:11:51,015 Speaker 4: to be a be all and cover all in terms 1283 01:11:51,015 --> 01:11:54,015 Speaker 4: of fencing. Generally, it won't apply to fences that are 1284 01:11:54,015 --> 01:11:57,855 Speaker 4: contained within someone's property. Only applies the respect of fences 1285 01:11:57,895 --> 01:12:00,695 Speaker 4: that are right on the boundary, and so regulates that. 1286 01:12:02,375 --> 01:12:06,895 Speaker 4: Prior to the Fencing Act, there was previous versions of legislation. Traditionally, 1287 01:12:06,895 --> 01:12:12,295 Speaker 4: a common law, there was no requirement to fence a boundary. 1288 01:12:12,895 --> 01:12:16,935 Speaker 4: So the ninety to seventy Act effectively created a code 1289 01:12:17,535 --> 01:12:21,415 Speaker 4: to regulate that relationship, specifically for boundary fences. 1290 01:12:21,855 --> 01:12:24,815 Speaker 2: I guess when we spread out a bit more then 1291 01:12:25,055 --> 01:12:27,895 Speaker 2: maybe having a boundary fence wasn't such an issue, But 1292 01:12:28,015 --> 01:12:32,135 Speaker 2: in a more compact environment than urban environment, suddenly that 1293 01:12:32,175 --> 01:12:34,575 Speaker 2: becomes quite important. I just want to pick up on 1294 01:12:34,575 --> 01:12:38,655 Speaker 2: one of your comments just there. So it regulates fences 1295 01:12:38,695 --> 01:12:41,775 Speaker 2: that are built on the boundary. Is there a definition 1296 01:12:41,815 --> 01:12:47,135 Speaker 2: as too? Obviously a boundary is a straight line. You know, 1297 01:12:47,175 --> 01:12:51,455 Speaker 2: if you're ten millimeters inside the boundary, does that then 1298 01:12:51,535 --> 01:12:55,695 Speaker 2: become just yours? Or you know, is there a definition 1299 01:12:55,735 --> 01:12:58,975 Speaker 2: as to what constitutes being on the boundary? 1300 01:13:00,655 --> 01:13:03,415 Speaker 4: Well, effectively, for it not the Acts not to apply, 1301 01:13:03,535 --> 01:13:05,575 Speaker 4: you'd have to be able to build a fence without 1302 01:13:05,615 --> 01:13:08,055 Speaker 4: going onto yourhbor's property at all. So it would have 1303 01:13:08,095 --> 01:13:12,335 Speaker 4: to be wholly within your property, right if if, if 1304 01:13:12,375 --> 01:13:14,775 Speaker 4: it's going to be on the boundary, it's almost impossible 1305 01:13:15,135 --> 01:13:17,295 Speaker 4: for it not to encroach on your neighbor's land because 1306 01:13:17,295 --> 01:13:18,935 Speaker 4: if you think, you know, a standard post is going 1307 01:13:19,015 --> 01:13:22,215 Speaker 4: to be you know, four inches or huddy mill, it's 1308 01:13:22,215 --> 01:13:25,015 Speaker 4: always going to cross the boundary ever so slightly. In 1309 01:13:25,135 --> 01:13:26,855 Speaker 4: order to install that post, you're gonna need to go 1310 01:13:26,895 --> 01:13:29,575 Speaker 4: onto your neighbor's land. So you're gonna have to if 1311 01:13:29,615 --> 01:13:31,575 Speaker 4: you don't want the Act to apply and you don't 1312 01:13:31,575 --> 01:13:33,455 Speaker 4: want to go through the provisions, then you're going to 1313 01:13:33,495 --> 01:13:36,655 Speaker 4: need to move it within your property, you know, like 1314 01:13:36,735 --> 01:13:39,935 Speaker 4: so it's clear of the boundary, and then that's come 1315 01:13:40,015 --> 01:13:42,775 Speaker 4: quite there's a there's there's case law on this and 1316 01:13:43,135 --> 01:13:45,615 Speaker 4: the most well known case was the NATA Hoovers is 1317 01:13:45,655 --> 01:13:48,615 Speaker 4: Godney and christ Church and the NATA who wore doing 1318 01:13:48,615 --> 01:13:52,055 Speaker 4: a property development and they effectively they bought the land 1319 01:13:52,055 --> 01:13:53,695 Speaker 4: and they wanted to put their own fence in and 1320 01:13:53,695 --> 01:13:55,855 Speaker 4: they didn't want to get into discussions of the neighbor 1321 01:13:55,855 --> 01:13:57,495 Speaker 4: about what they couldn't couldn't do, but they were happy 1322 01:13:57,535 --> 01:14:00,815 Speaker 4: to pay for the whole thing. But they went ahead 1323 01:14:00,815 --> 01:14:03,695 Speaker 4: and did it. But ultimately the court found that because 1324 01:14:03,815 --> 01:14:05,815 Speaker 4: even though they were they were paying for themselves, they 1325 01:14:05,815 --> 01:14:08,295 Speaker 4: were doing it because it was on the boundary, they 1326 01:14:08,375 --> 01:14:10,975 Speaker 4: needed the consent of the neighbor, regardless of whether they 1327 01:14:10,975 --> 01:14:13,655 Speaker 4: were paying for it. So if you don't want to 1328 01:14:13,695 --> 01:14:16,415 Speaker 4: get into the sort of nuances of the Act, you 1329 01:14:16,455 --> 01:14:17,935 Speaker 4: have to build it within your land. If it's going 1330 01:14:17,975 --> 01:14:20,615 Speaker 4: to be on the boundary, you're covered by it, regardless 1331 01:14:20,615 --> 01:14:21,135 Speaker 4: of who's pain. 1332 01:14:22,015 --> 01:14:24,415 Speaker 2: And then in terms of getting a contribution from a 1333 01:14:24,415 --> 01:14:27,815 Speaker 2: neighbor or having to contribute to your neighbour's fence, if 1334 01:14:27,815 --> 01:14:30,255 Speaker 2: they're the one who's taken the initiative to build the fence, 1335 01:14:30,735 --> 01:14:34,935 Speaker 2: what's the process for doing it. So if I decide that, look, 1336 01:14:34,975 --> 01:14:37,535 Speaker 2: the fence either isn't there or it's really bad and 1337 01:14:37,575 --> 01:14:39,255 Speaker 2: I want to build a new fence and I want 1338 01:14:39,255 --> 01:14:41,815 Speaker 2: to go to my neighbor. What do I have to 1339 01:14:41,855 --> 01:14:45,615 Speaker 2: do in order to formalize that contribution from the neighbor. 1340 01:14:46,975 --> 01:14:51,495 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the Act creates a notice procedure, so you 1341 01:14:51,535 --> 01:14:55,455 Speaker 4: effectively issue a formal notice on your neighbor setting out 1342 01:14:55,615 --> 01:14:58,695 Speaker 4: what work you're proposing to be done on which boundaries, 1343 01:14:58,695 --> 01:15:02,375 Speaker 4: So obviously east, west, north, south, so on. It needs 1344 01:15:02,375 --> 01:15:06,135 Speaker 4: to be specifically detailed to enable the neighbor to understand 1345 01:15:06,175 --> 01:15:08,855 Speaker 4: it exactly what you're proposing, where you're proposing it to 1346 01:15:08,855 --> 01:15:11,695 Speaker 4: be done, what type of defense you're proposing, and a 1347 01:15:11,775 --> 01:15:14,015 Speaker 4: rough estimate is to cost. So if you've got all 1348 01:15:14,015 --> 01:15:16,655 Speaker 4: those details together and you put it in some kind 1349 01:15:16,695 --> 01:15:19,975 Speaker 4: of written correspondence to the neighbor that they can consider, 1350 01:15:20,735 --> 01:15:23,135 Speaker 4: that's effectively how you start the formal procedure to give 1351 01:15:23,135 --> 01:15:24,775 Speaker 4: a Fencing Act notice. 1352 01:15:26,215 --> 01:15:30,175 Speaker 2: Okay, and then then there's a talk in the Act 1353 01:15:30,215 --> 01:15:34,015 Speaker 2: of a standard fence. So that used to be from 1354 01:15:34,015 --> 01:15:38,695 Speaker 2: my understanding, kind of basically a warritor in three runs 1355 01:15:38,695 --> 01:15:42,215 Speaker 2: of number eight fencing wire. That's no longer a standard fence. 1356 01:15:42,255 --> 01:15:44,655 Speaker 2: So what's considered a standard fence. 1357 01:15:45,655 --> 01:15:49,975 Speaker 4: Well, the rear of the out there as schedules giving examples, right, 1358 01:15:50,815 --> 01:15:52,975 Speaker 4: and it depends on whether it's in an urban setting 1359 01:15:53,055 --> 01:15:57,215 Speaker 4: or a rural setting. So in an urban setting it gives, well, 1360 01:15:57,335 --> 01:15:59,935 Speaker 4: there's actually got five examples of fence. It gives you 1361 01:15:59,975 --> 01:16:02,895 Speaker 4: can have a post and rail defence, a closed boarded fence, 1362 01:16:03,015 --> 01:16:05,855 Speaker 4: a paling fence, a panel fence, or a masonry wall. 1363 01:16:06,375 --> 01:16:10,295 Speaker 4: And then within each of those definitions there's particular details 1364 01:16:10,295 --> 01:16:14,815 Speaker 4: specifying minimum requirements. So for example, for the paling fence, 1365 01:16:15,055 --> 01:16:18,735 Speaker 4: it's a minimum of one meter in height, the posts 1366 01:16:18,735 --> 01:16:20,695 Speaker 4: can't be more than two point seventy five meters apart, 1367 01:16:20,695 --> 01:16:22,655 Speaker 4: and it has to be at least two rails. So 1368 01:16:23,535 --> 01:16:27,095 Speaker 4: if you're wanting to get that contribution from the neighbor, 1369 01:16:27,135 --> 01:16:29,815 Speaker 4: and you're wanting to build it on the boundary, your 1370 01:16:29,935 --> 01:16:32,135 Speaker 4: entitlement really is to one of these types of fenses. 1371 01:16:32,175 --> 01:16:34,935 Speaker 4: If you're wanting something that's you know, greater or more 1372 01:16:34,975 --> 01:16:39,575 Speaker 4: fantastic or different than these standard adequate fences, then you're 1373 01:16:39,575 --> 01:16:42,015 Speaker 4: not going to have that entitlement, and the legislation to 1374 01:16:42,055 --> 01:16:44,135 Speaker 4: do it you'd need you you know, you neighbor would 1375 01:16:44,135 --> 01:16:46,495 Speaker 4: have to consent, and you probably have to accept that 1376 01:16:46,535 --> 01:16:49,095 Speaker 4: you're going to have to pay more than half if 1377 01:16:49,135 --> 01:16:51,975 Speaker 4: you're wanting something that's better than this standard fence, because 1378 01:16:52,215 --> 01:16:54,895 Speaker 4: the legislation only requires a neighbor to contribute to a 1379 01:16:54,935 --> 01:16:57,815 Speaker 4: standard fence, not something that's superior to that. 1380 01:16:58,255 --> 01:17:00,895 Speaker 2: Right, that's really important because I would imagine that every 1381 01:17:00,935 --> 01:17:04,095 Speaker 2: now and then someone, you know, let's say you've been 1382 01:17:04,135 --> 01:17:06,415 Speaker 2: in your property for a long time, a neighbor who 1383 01:17:06,295 --> 01:17:08,575 Speaker 2: wants to do a development or something like that, wants 1384 01:17:08,615 --> 01:17:12,335 Speaker 2: to do a much more attractive and there for expensive 1385 01:17:12,375 --> 01:17:15,535 Speaker 2: fence on the boundary, seeks a contribution for half of that. 1386 01:17:15,575 --> 01:17:17,295 Speaker 2: You don't have to pay. You only have to pay 1387 01:17:17,335 --> 01:17:18,975 Speaker 2: half of a standard fence. 1388 01:17:20,095 --> 01:17:23,135 Speaker 4: Yeah, And and the term adequate comes up as well 1389 01:17:23,175 --> 01:17:25,535 Speaker 4: in the case laws like what's going to be adequate 1390 01:17:25,575 --> 01:17:28,455 Speaker 4: for the situation? And the legislation tries to give you 1391 01:17:28,495 --> 01:17:30,815 Speaker 4: these examples and the schedules at the rear, and if 1392 01:17:30,815 --> 01:17:32,415 Speaker 4: you go on there, it's quite a you know, use 1393 01:17:32,415 --> 01:17:35,015 Speaker 4: a friendly piece of legislation. It's not particularly long, and 1394 01:17:35,255 --> 01:17:37,015 Speaker 4: I'm sure you know, most of the listeners if they 1395 01:17:37,015 --> 01:17:38,735 Speaker 4: were to look at the schedule of types of fences 1396 01:17:38,775 --> 01:17:43,735 Speaker 4: that are pretty clear what comes within those definitions. Yeah, 1397 01:17:44,215 --> 01:17:46,215 Speaker 4: there's only requirement, as you say, under the Act for 1398 01:17:46,295 --> 01:17:49,615 Speaker 4: a standard adequate fence. Anything over and above that, you're 1399 01:17:49,615 --> 01:17:52,215 Speaker 4: not going to be able to force that on someone. 1400 01:17:52,295 --> 01:17:53,455 Speaker 4: And if you are going to go for it, you 1401 01:17:53,535 --> 01:17:56,015 Speaker 4: can have to pay that extra if you're the person 1402 01:17:56,055 --> 01:17:56,775 Speaker 4: that's proposing it. 1403 01:17:57,055 --> 01:17:59,695 Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, Well that's really good, you know, because I 1404 01:17:59,695 --> 01:18:02,495 Speaker 2: think sometimes people are daunted by that, you know that 1405 01:18:02,495 --> 01:18:05,015 Speaker 2: that suddenly the neighbor wants to do something really flesh 1406 01:18:05,015 --> 01:18:08,175 Speaker 2: and asks for a contrabution. Well you basically you don't 1407 01:18:08,175 --> 01:18:09,175 Speaker 2: have to do it, which is great. 1408 01:18:10,295 --> 01:18:10,975 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1409 01:18:11,455 --> 01:18:15,015 Speaker 2: In effect, now I'm starting to get some really great 1410 01:18:15,735 --> 01:18:18,895 Speaker 2: text questions that are coming through as well. So for example, 1411 01:18:18,935 --> 01:18:23,895 Speaker 2: something like this, are councils bound by the Fencing Act 1412 01:18:23,975 --> 01:18:24,415 Speaker 2: as well? 1413 01:18:27,095 --> 01:18:30,455 Speaker 4: The Fencing Act doesn't apply to all boundaries. There are 1414 01:18:30,455 --> 01:18:33,695 Speaker 4: some carve outs in respective sort of railway lines and 1415 01:18:34,015 --> 01:18:41,095 Speaker 4: other sort of special classifications of land. Invariably, it's if 1416 01:18:41,135 --> 01:18:44,135 Speaker 4: it's a boundary fence, though, and the council owns the 1417 01:18:44,175 --> 01:18:47,455 Speaker 4: land it's immediately adjacent to your boundary, then unless there's 1418 01:18:47,455 --> 01:18:51,015 Speaker 4: anything specifically on the title, then they're bound just like 1419 01:18:51,055 --> 01:18:55,575 Speaker 4: any other property owner would be. But what you what 1420 01:18:55,615 --> 01:18:57,855 Speaker 4: you find when you look at a lot of titles, 1421 01:18:57,895 --> 01:19:01,535 Speaker 4: I suppose, well, firstly, most people's homes aren't on a 1422 01:19:01,535 --> 01:19:03,575 Speaker 4: boundary of the council, so the road is something different 1423 01:19:03,615 --> 01:19:05,695 Speaker 4: that's that wouldn't be considered sort of like a council 1424 01:19:06,015 --> 01:19:10,215 Speaker 4: piece of lands right and apply to a roadside. But 1425 01:19:10,415 --> 01:19:13,735 Speaker 4: the if council happened to own like a reserve or 1426 01:19:13,735 --> 01:19:16,935 Speaker 4: a section, then there would be that obligation. But when 1427 01:19:16,975 --> 01:19:20,175 Speaker 4: I look at titles for clients, normally there's something that's 1428 01:19:20,175 --> 01:19:23,775 Speaker 4: been put on there that consented to the subdivision, and 1429 01:19:23,895 --> 01:19:26,935 Speaker 4: part of that consent, council registered something to say they 1430 01:19:26,935 --> 01:19:30,535 Speaker 4: would have no obligation to pay for that fence, so 1431 01:19:30,575 --> 01:19:32,655 Speaker 4: they've contracted out of the act, which you can do. 1432 01:19:32,775 --> 01:19:35,455 Speaker 4: So often when people are buying us selling their house, 1433 01:19:35,495 --> 01:19:38,295 Speaker 4: there might be something on their title that says they 1434 01:19:38,295 --> 01:19:42,695 Speaker 4: have no obligation to contribute towards fencing. And if that's 1435 01:19:42,735 --> 01:19:45,615 Speaker 4: the case, then that overrides the Act. You've contracted out 1436 01:19:45,655 --> 01:19:47,775 Speaker 4: of it. But you need to take legal advice in 1437 01:19:47,815 --> 01:19:50,535 Speaker 4: that situation because all these things on your title they 1438 01:19:50,535 --> 01:19:53,535 Speaker 4: have different application and sometimes they expire after twelve years 1439 01:19:53,535 --> 01:19:56,735 Speaker 4: as well, So that would be the normal case. 1440 01:19:57,095 --> 01:20:01,655 Speaker 2: Okay, again, an interesting comment from you that you know 1441 01:20:01,975 --> 01:20:04,455 Speaker 2: roads and I suppose the curb and the boom and 1442 01:20:04,735 --> 01:20:07,455 Speaker 2: those sorts of things are not to nically owned by council. 1443 01:20:07,495 --> 01:20:09,735 Speaker 2: So you can't go along to NZTA or to the 1444 01:20:09,735 --> 01:20:12,055 Speaker 2: council and go I want a contribution from a new 1445 01:20:12,095 --> 01:20:12,735 Speaker 2: front fence. 1446 01:20:13,855 --> 01:20:17,215 Speaker 4: Yeah. No, they've specifically been excluded from the legislation, right, 1447 01:20:17,615 --> 01:20:19,015 Speaker 4: So yeah, that's. 1448 01:20:18,975 --> 01:20:22,775 Speaker 2: Yeah, classic, that's fantastic. We're going to take a short 1449 01:20:22,775 --> 01:20:24,455 Speaker 2: break and then we're going to come back with a 1450 01:20:24,495 --> 01:20:26,935 Speaker 2: bunch more questions. So joining me this morning on the 1451 01:20:26,975 --> 01:20:31,135 Speaker 2: programs Ben Thompson, lawyer at Pigeon Judge, and we're talking 1452 01:20:31,175 --> 01:20:34,015 Speaker 2: specifically about the Fencing Act. Just down the line. Ben 1453 01:20:34,095 --> 01:20:37,655 Speaker 2: will be back in just a moment. It's weed season. 1454 01:20:37,855 --> 01:20:41,335 Speaker 2: Are weeds invading your space? 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Z me your news talk z'd B 1470 01:21:47,575 --> 01:21:50,375 Speaker 2: and joining me this morning is Ben Thompson, lawyer who 1471 01:21:50,375 --> 01:21:53,975 Speaker 2: specializes in property law, and in particular in the Fencing Act. 1472 01:21:55,215 --> 01:21:58,015 Speaker 2: A couple of questions that have come through, Like one 1473 01:21:58,095 --> 01:22:01,215 Speaker 2: of the ones is around you know, I suppose privacy 1474 01:22:01,255 --> 01:22:04,255 Speaker 2: who determines the height of a fence for example. 1475 01:22:05,535 --> 01:22:08,535 Speaker 4: Well, under the Act, you make your notice as I 1476 01:22:08,575 --> 01:22:11,735 Speaker 4: was describing before, that should set out exactly what you 1477 01:22:11,775 --> 01:22:14,375 Speaker 4: know type of fence you're requiring, how how large it 1478 01:22:14,375 --> 01:22:17,135 Speaker 4: should be, how high it can be. It has to 1479 01:22:17,175 --> 01:22:20,695 Speaker 4: come within the parameters of those schedule types of fences 1480 01:22:21,095 --> 01:22:25,175 Speaker 4: like and I mentioned before in the urban setting some 1481 01:22:25,215 --> 01:22:28,215 Speaker 4: of those definitions that are minimum height of one meter 1482 01:22:30,095 --> 01:22:32,735 Speaker 4: most then you've also got to overlap that with the 1483 01:22:32,815 --> 01:22:35,655 Speaker 4: planning requirements of the particular local authority that you're putting 1484 01:22:35,655 --> 01:22:38,415 Speaker 4: a fence up in. So building consent is not going 1485 01:22:38,415 --> 01:22:40,775 Speaker 4: to be required in most areas for a fence that's 1486 01:22:40,855 --> 01:22:44,575 Speaker 4: under two and a half meters in size. So if 1487 01:22:44,615 --> 01:22:48,935 Speaker 4: you're within those boundaries, that's going to be you know, 1488 01:22:48,975 --> 01:22:50,855 Speaker 4: the type of fence that you can be proposing under 1489 01:22:50,895 --> 01:22:53,095 Speaker 4: the Act. You're not going to be able to force 1490 01:22:53,135 --> 01:22:55,015 Speaker 4: on someone a type of fence that's going to be 1491 01:22:55,095 --> 01:22:58,255 Speaker 4: larger or there is going to require building building content 1492 01:22:58,295 --> 01:23:01,455 Speaker 4: because that's not you know, deemed an adequate fence or 1493 01:23:01,495 --> 01:23:03,615 Speaker 4: one of the types of the rear of the legislation there. 1494 01:23:04,055 --> 01:23:07,535 Speaker 4: So yeah, whatever you're opposing, you need to make sure 1495 01:23:08,135 --> 01:23:11,855 Speaker 4: that you're complying with those the types that are given 1496 01:23:12,175 --> 01:23:13,375 Speaker 4: the real the legislation. 1497 01:23:15,335 --> 01:23:18,575 Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting again, the thing I pull out of 1498 01:23:18,575 --> 01:23:21,015 Speaker 2: that is two and a half meters. I thought boundary 1499 01:23:21,015 --> 01:23:24,055 Speaker 2: fences were pretty much one point eight meters as of right, 1500 01:23:24,135 --> 01:23:27,575 Speaker 2: two meters by agreement with both parties. Anything beyond that 1501 01:23:27,615 --> 01:23:30,415 Speaker 2: would have required a building consent. But two point five 1502 01:23:30,455 --> 01:23:32,535 Speaker 2: meters that's a tall fence on a boundary. 1503 01:23:33,615 --> 01:23:33,815 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1504 01:23:33,855 --> 01:23:35,935 Speaker 4: Well, like I said, that's not necessarily going to be 1505 01:23:35,975 --> 01:23:38,695 Speaker 4: able to build in the right area. Just comes from 1506 01:23:39,055 --> 01:23:40,855 Speaker 4: the building code and the building I think it's more 1507 01:23:40,895 --> 01:23:43,175 Speaker 4: to do the structural aspect of it. So when you 1508 01:23:43,175 --> 01:23:45,975 Speaker 4: look at the building code, they're sort of ascertaining, well, 1509 01:23:46,135 --> 01:23:48,295 Speaker 4: what work is the type of work that is safe 1510 01:23:48,415 --> 01:23:51,215 Speaker 4: enough to be built without a building consent. Doesn't mean 1511 01:23:51,375 --> 01:23:53,935 Speaker 4: you have the entaglement to build it everywhere. Yeah, that's 1512 01:23:53,975 --> 01:23:56,175 Speaker 4: going to be up to your particular district plan. So 1513 01:23:56,215 --> 01:23:58,975 Speaker 4: if you're in sort of, you know, a central urban area, 1514 01:23:59,215 --> 01:24:01,615 Speaker 4: it's going to be different a rural area of how 1515 01:24:01,735 --> 01:24:04,055 Speaker 4: large defense you can be built. So you're quite right. 1516 01:24:04,135 --> 01:24:06,655 Speaker 4: In most urban settings at two point five meters offense 1517 01:24:06,695 --> 01:24:08,775 Speaker 4: would not be compliant with the district plan because it 1518 01:24:08,775 --> 01:24:12,775 Speaker 4: would be considered excessive and too high, and it would 1519 01:24:12,775 --> 01:24:17,775 Speaker 4: cause an impact on people's light and that visual amenity 1520 01:24:17,775 --> 01:24:18,375 Speaker 4: to their property. 1521 01:24:18,375 --> 01:24:21,375 Speaker 2: I suspect so, Ben, I'm looking at the text machine, 1522 01:24:21,375 --> 01:24:24,775 Speaker 2: which has gone nuts. But this is a classic sort 1523 01:24:24,775 --> 01:24:27,215 Speaker 2: of question that we get quite a bit for the 1524 01:24:27,255 --> 01:24:29,855 Speaker 2: fencing lawyer. Please is the text. If a neighbor wants 1525 01:24:29,895 --> 01:24:33,735 Speaker 2: to upgrade an adequate fence, it's obviously at their cost. 1526 01:24:34,055 --> 01:24:36,975 Speaker 2: But what happens when I would get the bad side 1527 01:24:37,015 --> 01:24:39,895 Speaker 2: of a generally fancy offense and I want to stick 1528 01:24:39,975 --> 01:24:42,015 Speaker 2: to the existing one? Can I object? 1529 01:24:43,535 --> 01:24:46,055 Speaker 4: Yeah? So you can object. So if the neighbor would 1530 01:24:46,055 --> 01:24:48,815 Speaker 4: have proposed made their proposal, like we've discussed in the 1531 01:24:48,855 --> 01:24:52,015 Speaker 4: written form, if you've then got twenty one days to 1532 01:24:52,095 --> 01:24:55,055 Speaker 4: formally object. And the act is quite helpful because it 1533 01:24:55,095 --> 01:24:58,895 Speaker 4: provides an example of how to issue an objection across 1534 01:24:58,935 --> 01:25:02,015 Speaker 4: notice and it gives you sort of a precedent text 1535 01:25:02,055 --> 01:25:04,135 Speaker 4: there that you can use. But if you don't make 1536 01:25:04,135 --> 01:25:07,015 Speaker 4: that objection within twenty one days, and you'd deemed to 1537 01:25:07,055 --> 01:25:09,335 Speaker 4: have approved it, so it is very important to act 1538 01:25:09,375 --> 01:25:11,255 Speaker 4: on it. Don't sit on it, don't do it, you know, 1539 01:25:11,375 --> 01:25:14,455 Speaker 4: don't sort of just let it slip right that. If 1540 01:25:14,455 --> 01:25:16,655 Speaker 4: you get that opposition within the twenty one days, then 1541 01:25:16,695 --> 01:25:19,175 Speaker 4: you're not deemed to have accepted it, and that's you 1542 01:25:19,255 --> 01:25:21,615 Speaker 4: and the neighbor. Can it reach agreement, then ultimately it 1543 01:25:21,655 --> 01:25:24,415 Speaker 4: can be referred to the dispute tribunal or the district 1544 01:25:24,495 --> 01:25:28,055 Speaker 4: or the High Court in terms of the who gets 1545 01:25:28,055 --> 01:25:29,695 Speaker 4: the you know, it's an interesting question. So if it's 1546 01:25:29,735 --> 01:25:32,255 Speaker 4: right on the boundary, who's getting the benefit of the 1547 01:25:32,575 --> 01:25:35,175 Speaker 4: I guess there is often a nicer size of the defense. 1548 01:25:35,215 --> 01:25:36,975 Speaker 4: You've got the one that's got the posts and one 1549 01:25:37,015 --> 01:25:40,495 Speaker 4: that's got the flat face. Well, if one particular party 1550 01:25:40,775 --> 01:25:44,815 Speaker 4: is wanting the benefit of the superior side of the fence, 1551 01:25:44,855 --> 01:25:46,495 Speaker 4: then it's going to be fair and reasonable that they 1552 01:25:46,535 --> 01:25:51,855 Speaker 4: pay a slightly larger contribution to reflect that. That's you know, 1553 01:25:52,255 --> 01:25:55,335 Speaker 4: I think that's reflective and they're receiving greater benefit than 1554 01:25:55,375 --> 01:25:55,695 Speaker 4: the other. 1555 01:25:55,655 --> 01:25:59,535 Speaker 2: Person, right right, So another text has come through. What 1556 01:25:59,655 --> 01:26:03,455 Speaker 2: about a fence along a driveway to the two neighbors 1557 01:26:03,495 --> 01:26:07,615 Speaker 2: who live behind their property? Who pays for repairs and maintenance? 1558 01:26:07,655 --> 01:26:07,855 Speaker 4: Then? 1559 01:26:08,135 --> 01:26:14,215 Speaker 2: So, you know, is the fence, Yeah, who's responsible for it? 1560 01:26:14,215 --> 01:26:17,455 Speaker 4: It's potentially complicated. So firstly you need to understand that 1561 01:26:17,495 --> 01:26:22,055 Speaker 4: who owns the driveway because there's multiple options there. It 1562 01:26:22,095 --> 01:26:24,615 Speaker 4: could be shared ownership, say there were three properties at 1563 01:26:24,655 --> 01:26:27,015 Speaker 4: the rear that it could be split in thirds, or 1564 01:26:27,095 --> 01:26:29,415 Speaker 4: perhaps more common is it's owned by one of the 1565 01:26:29,455 --> 01:26:31,815 Speaker 4: owners and then there's an easement in place the right 1566 01:26:31,855 --> 01:26:34,495 Speaker 4: of waysment for the other two to access and drive 1567 01:26:34,535 --> 01:26:37,655 Speaker 4: along it. So if there's an easement in place, the 1568 01:26:37,775 --> 01:26:42,935 Speaker 4: terms of the easement itself normally require contributions to the 1569 01:26:43,135 --> 01:26:46,015 Speaker 4: upkeeper of that particular right of way in return from 1570 01:26:46,135 --> 01:26:50,455 Speaker 4: having access over it. So you would probably look to 1571 01:26:50,495 --> 01:26:52,855 Speaker 4: ascertain what the ownership status is and whether there are 1572 01:26:52,855 --> 01:26:55,615 Speaker 4: any easements or not, and then fall back on that 1573 01:26:55,695 --> 01:26:58,215 Speaker 4: to you know, understand if they've got a contribution. So, 1574 01:26:59,095 --> 01:27:01,895 Speaker 4: I mean, it's very hard to say without looking at 1575 01:27:01,935 --> 01:27:04,575 Speaker 4: the specific example, but if someone's receiving a legal benefit 1576 01:27:04,615 --> 01:27:08,495 Speaker 4: to use and enjoy something, the law legal position normally 1577 01:27:08,535 --> 01:27:10,535 Speaker 4: is that they're going to have a you know, coraally 1578 01:27:11,495 --> 01:27:15,135 Speaker 4: expectation to contribute in proportions that use and enjoyment. 1579 01:27:15,135 --> 01:27:20,095 Speaker 2: They're getting Okay, final question today, and we've got a 1580 01:27:20,135 --> 01:27:22,455 Speaker 2: heap more to get to, but we're going to run 1581 01:27:22,495 --> 01:27:25,855 Speaker 2: out of time. A wooden paling fence between neighbors. On 1582 01:27:26,015 --> 01:27:29,495 Speaker 2: their side, they've piled up grass, clippings and rubbish and 1583 01:27:29,535 --> 01:27:32,375 Speaker 2: so answer. The boards have started to rot. My side 1584 01:27:32,575 --> 01:27:36,055 Speaker 2: is stained and maintained. Are they responsible for the cost 1585 01:27:36,095 --> 01:27:38,655 Speaker 2: of replacement because they cause the damage? 1586 01:27:40,255 --> 01:27:43,695 Speaker 4: Yes, in essence, if that can proven, then that's the 1587 01:27:43,775 --> 01:27:46,735 Speaker 4: case under the legislation. The default position is that the 1588 01:27:46,735 --> 01:27:50,175 Speaker 4: neighbors will contribute equally to any fence. Yes, but if 1589 01:27:50,255 --> 01:27:53,575 Speaker 4: the work that's been required is only caused because of 1590 01:27:53,735 --> 01:27:56,735 Speaker 4: a particular actor and action of a neighbor, so like 1591 01:27:56,775 --> 01:27:59,335 Speaker 4: in that example there with you know, poor property maintenance, 1592 01:27:59,375 --> 01:28:01,855 Speaker 4: or even if someone's tree roots have damaged the fence 1593 01:28:01,895 --> 01:28:04,695 Speaker 4: and they've come from one side of their property, they're 1594 01:28:04,695 --> 01:28:07,735 Speaker 4: going to have a greater liability to Also, if someone's 1595 01:28:07,735 --> 01:28:10,255 Speaker 4: got a swimming pool, that means you might need a 1596 01:28:10,255 --> 01:28:12,695 Speaker 4: superior fence to what would normally be expected, and they're 1597 01:28:12,695 --> 01:28:14,335 Speaker 4: going to have to pay more to reflect the fact 1598 01:28:14,335 --> 01:28:16,215 Speaker 4: they're getting the benefit because they've got a pool on 1599 01:28:16,255 --> 01:28:20,175 Speaker 4: their property. Yes, the legislation does deal that quite well. 1600 01:28:20,215 --> 01:28:23,495 Speaker 4: So if someone's caused something or is you know, contributing 1601 01:28:23,535 --> 01:28:25,415 Speaker 4: to the reason that more money is being spent, then 1602 01:28:25,975 --> 01:28:28,055 Speaker 4: they're going to have to pay for that under the legislation. 1603 01:28:29,215 --> 01:28:32,935 Speaker 2: What happens when a fence also includes a retaining wall. 1604 01:28:32,975 --> 01:28:35,175 Speaker 2: Now that might just be sort of one board high 1605 01:28:35,255 --> 01:28:38,255 Speaker 2: on a on a boundary to contain a garden. It 1606 01:28:38,375 --> 01:28:40,575 Speaker 2: might be a couple of retaining boards and then the 1607 01:28:40,615 --> 01:28:43,895 Speaker 2: fence on top. Is it that the person that gets 1608 01:28:43,935 --> 01:28:46,135 Speaker 2: the benefit of the retaining wall is the one that 1609 01:28:46,455 --> 01:28:47,415 Speaker 2: pays for the wall. 1610 01:28:48,655 --> 01:28:52,375 Speaker 4: Yeah, normally, that's that's correct. PEAT and retaining walls aren't 1611 01:28:52,375 --> 01:28:56,975 Speaker 4: specifically addressed under There's no reference to them there, and 1612 01:28:57,015 --> 01:28:58,975 Speaker 4: I think that's a bit of a reflection of it. 1613 01:28:58,975 --> 01:29:01,935 Speaker 4: It's quite uncommon for there to be a retaining wall 1614 01:29:01,975 --> 01:29:04,975 Speaker 4: that's truly on the boundary that serves both properties equally, 1615 01:29:05,015 --> 01:29:07,735 Speaker 4: because in reality that that just doesn't happen. Yep, there's 1616 01:29:07,775 --> 01:29:10,735 Speaker 4: normally a benefit to one of the two parties with 1617 01:29:10,855 --> 01:29:14,255 Speaker 4: the retaining wall. Yes, a party that's benefiting it invariably 1618 01:29:14,295 --> 01:29:16,215 Speaker 4: is the one that's responsible for the cost of a 1619 01:29:16,215 --> 01:29:18,775 Speaker 4: pair of maintenance. There would be the od occasion, I suppose, 1620 01:29:18,775 --> 01:29:20,775 Speaker 4: where it potentially is right on the boundary and it's 1621 01:29:20,775 --> 01:29:23,055 Speaker 4: serving a mutual benefit, and in that case then the 1622 01:29:23,095 --> 01:29:26,095 Speaker 4: Fencing Act would apply for equal contributions. But I would 1623 01:29:26,095 --> 01:29:29,295 Speaker 4: say that's less common in most settings. 1624 01:29:29,375 --> 01:29:34,615 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. We've had a tremendous response and I really 1625 01:29:34,655 --> 01:29:37,615 Speaker 2: appreciate the insights that you've been able to offer up. 1626 01:29:38,295 --> 01:29:42,095 Speaker 2: Thank you for being part of the show. And right 1627 01:29:42,095 --> 01:29:44,135 Speaker 2: now i'd like to extend an invitation for you to 1628 01:29:44,255 --> 01:29:47,295 Speaker 2: join us again because this is I mean, look, most 1629 01:29:47,295 --> 01:29:49,455 Speaker 2: of us have got neighbors, which means we've got fences, 1630 01:29:49,495 --> 01:29:52,295 Speaker 2: so this is common for a lot of people. So again, Ben, 1631 01:29:52,415 --> 01:29:54,295 Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining me this morning. 1632 01:29:55,295 --> 01:29:57,695 Speaker 4: Oh thanks Peter, you'd love to join again some other time. 1633 01:29:57,775 --> 01:30:00,575 Speaker 2: Look forward to it. Take care all the very best. 1634 01:30:00,655 --> 01:30:03,375 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. That was Ben Thompson. He is 1635 01:30:03,375 --> 01:30:06,895 Speaker 2: a lawyer with Pigeon Judge Lawyers, in fact director there 1636 01:30:06,975 --> 01:30:10,895 Speaker 2: and as you can tell, his experience or his expertise 1637 01:30:11,055 --> 01:30:13,935 Speaker 2: is around Property Act and in particular the Fencing Act 1638 01:30:14,015 --> 01:30:16,775 Speaker 2: as well. So thank you to those that text through. 1639 01:30:17,175 --> 01:30:19,255 Speaker 2: Will actually try and keep your texts and we will 1640 01:30:19,295 --> 01:30:22,815 Speaker 2: get Ben back on the program again. Eight hundred eighty 1641 01:30:22,975 --> 01:30:25,695 Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call her. Redcline Past 1642 01:30:25,855 --> 01:30:29,055 Speaker 2: is standing by. We'll jump into the garden with Rudd 1643 01:30:29,175 --> 01:30:31,655 Speaker 2: in just a moment for more. 1644 01:30:31,495 --> 01:30:34,535 Speaker 1: From the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp. 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