WEBVTT - The Resident Builder podcast: September 1, 2024 0:00:06.855 --> 0:00:10.055 You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter 0:00:10.135 --> 0:00:12.055 Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay. 0:00:22.175 --> 0:00:27.575 The house is a whole even when it stars, even 0:00:27.655 --> 0:00:32.855 when the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when 0:00:32.895 --> 0:00:36.775 the dog is too old to borrow, And. 0:00:36.775 --> 0:00:39.535 When you're sitting at the table trying. 0:00:39.255 --> 0:00:45.215 Not to start house scissor hole, even when we. 0:00:45.535 --> 0:00:48.815 Are band ball, even when you're. 0:00:48.815 --> 0:01:06.335 There alone, A house is a hole, even when those goes, even. 0:01:06.095 --> 0:01:08.215 When you go around from the ones you. 0:01:08.295 --> 0:01:09.215 Love, your more. 0:01:10.975 --> 0:01:16.935 Screams, building plains, being in frond the world locals lisball 0:01:16.975 --> 0:01:24.415 when they're gone, leaving them house, even when we'll be 0:01:24.655 --> 0:01:28.655 ben lone, even when you're neverlone. 0:01:35.735 --> 0:01:38.535 Well, very good morning, and welcome along to the Resident 0:01:38.535 --> 0:01:41.015 Builder on Sunday. You're with me Pete wolf Camp, the 0:01:41.055 --> 0:01:43.895 Resident Builder, and this is a show all about no 0:01:44.055 --> 0:01:51.575 surprise surprise, building, building, construction, renovating, altering, maintaining, planning, purchasing, 0:01:52.335 --> 0:01:56.415 choosing contractors. Whatever you would like to discuss with regards 0:01:56.455 --> 0:01:59.695 to building construction regulations. We can do all of that 0:01:59.855 --> 0:02:02.215 on the show this morning. So I trust you've had 0:02:02.295 --> 0:02:06.495 a good week. Weather's not far from the mind. I 0:02:06.695 --> 0:02:11.215 was out in my workshop yesterday and I'll explain why. Well, 0:02:11.295 --> 0:02:13.735 I don't need to explain why I'm often in the workshop, 0:02:13.775 --> 0:02:20.935 but with a particular purpose. Yesterday, when an extremely heavy 0:02:20.975 --> 0:02:24.495 band of rain sort of swept across where I am 0:02:24.575 --> 0:02:31.295 and where Aucklanders live inundating curbs and pathways, and probably 0:02:31.335 --> 0:02:34.775 not to the extent of having a flooding inside house 0:02:34.855 --> 0:02:37.295 and that, but it was one of those remarkably heavy 0:02:37.295 --> 0:02:40.895 downpours that sort of swept across the city for about 0:02:40.935 --> 0:02:44.495 ten minutes or so and then disappeared. Kind of made 0:02:44.495 --> 0:02:46.375 me add a couple of other jobs to my to 0:02:46.455 --> 0:02:49.375 do list of things around the house. Sought out some 0:02:49.455 --> 0:02:52.215 decent spouting on the workshop would probably be top of 0:02:52.215 --> 0:02:55.215 that list, seeing the water pouring over the top of 0:02:55.215 --> 0:02:57.655 what I've already got there at the moment. So, and 0:02:57.695 --> 0:02:59.575 these are the sorts of things that happens. We walk 0:02:59.615 --> 0:03:02.575 around and we go, oh cracky, that's right, I should 0:03:02.575 --> 0:03:04.895 do that job, and maybe I should get onto that, 0:03:05.015 --> 0:03:06.855 and maybe there's a bit more maintenance that I need 0:03:06.895 --> 0:03:09.015 to do here there and everywhere. So if you've got 0:03:09.055 --> 0:03:11.375 a task that you would like some help with, eight 0:03:11.495 --> 0:03:14.575 hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Or 0:03:14.655 --> 0:03:17.935 if you'd like to send a text, you are more 0:03:18.015 --> 0:03:23.015 than welcome to do that. Thank you Steve for your text. 0:03:23.895 --> 0:03:28.135 I'll explain the moment the If you've got a question 0:03:28.215 --> 0:03:29.895 you'd like to text through, you're more than welcome to 0:03:29.935 --> 0:03:32.295 do that. Of course. It is nine two nine two 0:03:32.415 --> 0:03:34.895 or zbzib from your mobile phone. If you'd like to 0:03:34.895 --> 0:03:37.575 email me, you're more than welcome to do that as well. 0:03:37.655 --> 0:03:42.015 It's Pete at newstaloksb dot co dot nz. So I 0:03:42.015 --> 0:03:45.335 trust you've had a good week and if you've been 0:03:45.455 --> 0:03:48.135 involved with a project, I trust that it's been successful 0:03:48.215 --> 0:03:52.655 and progressive. And if it's not going as well as 0:03:52.735 --> 0:03:55.335 you would have hoped, then maybe we can talk about 0:03:55.375 --> 0:03:58.095 that on the show as well. Eight hundred eighty ten 0:03:58.175 --> 0:04:00.895 eighty is that number to call. A little bit later on, 0:04:00.935 --> 0:04:02.655 we're going to catch up with Mike Colds. We are 0:04:02.695 --> 0:04:06.535 going to definitely talk to Redcline past at about eighth dirt. 0:04:06.535 --> 0:04:08.855 He might even bring Rud on a little bit early. 0:04:09.015 --> 0:04:12.855 We have much to discuss. So one of the tasks 0:04:12.895 --> 0:04:16.495 I said last week on the show that I would 0:04:17.135 --> 0:04:19.215 rodd and I have talked about barn Ow's for a while. 0:04:19.255 --> 0:04:21.815 I know this is not necessarily building related, but it 0:04:21.855 --> 0:04:25.535 is now because I built something. I built some barn 0:04:25.655 --> 0:04:29.015 ol boxes. It turns out the RUD sent me two 0:04:29.095 --> 0:04:32.655 different designs and they are quite distinct from each other. 0:04:33.095 --> 0:04:37.575 So I've ended up making two different barn owl boxes, 0:04:38.215 --> 0:04:41.135 which I've sent photographs to RUD. I put a quick 0:04:41.175 --> 0:04:43.735 post up yesterday with a bit of a time lapse, 0:04:44.055 --> 0:04:46.895 and I made a little video about sort of how 0:04:46.935 --> 0:04:48.975 I've set them out and what I think the thinking 0:04:49.055 --> 0:04:51.655 is behind them. That'll be up on my Facebook page 0:04:51.655 --> 0:04:53.855 a little bit later on today. So it's all there, 0:04:53.895 --> 0:04:57.535 it's all happening, and I point this out just as 0:04:57.575 --> 0:05:01.615 a sort of public service announcement. Rushing when you're doing 0:05:01.695 --> 0:05:06.135 tasks tend to lead to mistakes, and I was either 0:05:06.335 --> 0:05:08.615 ushing not kind of, not really, but I sort of 0:05:08.735 --> 0:05:13.015 was yesterday to try and get something finished, and just 0:05:13.095 --> 0:05:17.295 a moment's in attention while using a fairly sharp knife 0:05:17.335 --> 0:05:20.855 trying to clean off a sticker from a hasp off 0:05:20.895 --> 0:05:26.775 a latch right ended up with me going inside clutching 0:05:26.775 --> 0:05:31.255 my finger, going I think we need some bandages. So anyway, 0:05:31.775 --> 0:05:33.295 I'm not sure what the damage is, but it's a 0:05:33.295 --> 0:05:37.015 decental chunk that came out of the finger and a 0:05:37.015 --> 0:05:39.135 couple of bandages and that sort of thing. It's just 0:05:39.295 --> 0:05:42.375 a moment's in attention. And as soon as I did it, 0:05:42.415 --> 0:05:45.775 I was like, ah, you muppet, why would you have 0:05:45.855 --> 0:05:49.095 held your hand like that? And then when the blade 0:05:49.095 --> 0:05:52.495 did slip, it went straight into the finger. One of 0:05:52.535 --> 0:05:54.735 those ones where you go, yeah, that's going to hurt 0:05:54.735 --> 0:05:57.455 a little bit more than what I was hoping for. Anyway, 0:05:57.495 --> 0:06:03.295 It's all fine, but yes, just thinking it's that classic. 0:06:03.495 --> 0:06:05.455 Just take a moment to think about what you're doing 0:06:05.535 --> 0:06:09.375 before you rush to do it. And another transformational event 0:06:09.455 --> 0:06:11.455 for me. But I'll talk about this a bit later on. 0:06:12.015 --> 0:06:14.855 I've started using a track saw. I'll explain that a 0:06:14.855 --> 0:06:17.015 bit later on. We'll get stuck into it. Eight hundred 0:06:17.055 --> 0:06:20.255 and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Steve. 0:06:20.375 --> 0:06:22.495 Thank you for your text back to Dancing in the 0:06:22.495 --> 0:06:26.895 Cowshed with the opening song back on Steve in the 0:06:26.935 --> 0:06:29.335 Cowshed this morning. I hope the cows enjoy the music 0:06:29.375 --> 0:06:31.935 as well. I know apparently it's very popular to play 0:06:31.975 --> 0:06:34.655 classical music to them, but I figure a bit of 0:06:34.735 --> 0:06:38.935 Ben Harper probably doesn't go astray either. And Matt says, hey, 0:06:38.975 --> 0:06:42.295 Happy Father's Day. Indeed, indeed, if you happen to be 0:06:42.495 --> 0:06:46.215 a dad, Happy Father's Day to you, and thank you 0:06:46.295 --> 0:06:48.455 very much for your wishes. Matt. How do we note 0:06:48.495 --> 0:06:51.095 on my desk when I left this morning saying Happy 0:06:51.095 --> 0:06:53.175 Father's Day to me as well, which is awesome. I 0:06:53.295 --> 0:06:59.415 eight hundred eighty ten eighty all things building construction, regulations, rules, dilemmas, 0:07:00.375 --> 0:07:04.455 you know, discussions that you might get into. Actually, I 0:07:04.535 --> 0:07:06.935 just quickly I had a good converse with a guy 0:07:06.935 --> 0:07:11.735 who's very experienced in the building sector, regulations, involved in 0:07:11.775 --> 0:07:14.295 innovation and so on, and I quickly said to him, 0:07:14.335 --> 0:07:17.135 look where are you at with the rollback in terms 0:07:17.175 --> 0:07:20.175 of H one, this kind of idea that's been flagged 0:07:20.215 --> 0:07:22.575 by the current minister, going well, maybe it's added too 0:07:22.615 --> 0:07:24.935 much cost, Maybe we should look at rolling back H one, 0:07:24.935 --> 0:07:28.375 which is all about energy efficiency, and he goes, yeah, 0:07:28.375 --> 0:07:30.175 but look at the news. At the moment we're in 0:07:30.215 --> 0:07:34.135 an energy crisis where we can't generate sufficient energy to 0:07:34.215 --> 0:07:36.695 keep the lights on, and now we want to roll 0:07:36.775 --> 0:07:41.695 back a practical set of solutions that would allow our 0:07:41.735 --> 0:07:46.255 houses to be more energy efficient, i e. Requiring less energy. 0:07:48.295 --> 0:07:50.895 One hand's not talking to the other. Oh, eight hundred 0:07:50.975 --> 0:07:53.015 eighty ten eighty is the number to call Neville. Good 0:07:53.095 --> 0:07:55.135 morning to you, thank good morning. 0:07:55.135 --> 0:07:56.495 How are you doing very well? 0:07:56.495 --> 0:07:56.815 Thank you? 0:07:57.935 --> 0:08:00.655 That's sweet. Now I called early because I'll followed you device. 0:08:00.855 --> 0:08:04.495 So a wise man, you're a wise man. 0:08:06.295 --> 0:08:08.215 You're a friend of mine. She lives in a house 0:08:08.255 --> 0:08:11.095 that's at the end of quite a long drive, and 0:08:11.135 --> 0:08:14.615 there's three houses that ended quite long drive, and those 0:08:14.655 --> 0:08:18.895 three houses own the quite long drive. Now, one of 0:08:18.935 --> 0:08:21.615 the houses on one side of the driveway has a 0:08:21.695 --> 0:08:23.975 right of way because it's a cup hold of sense 0:08:24.055 --> 0:08:26.255 quite a long time ago and has a right of 0:08:26.295 --> 0:08:30.335 way to the garage. But in the interim, some new 0:08:30.335 --> 0:08:32.975 people have brought that property and they're now develop it, 0:08:33.935 --> 0:08:38.295 and so they're going to push three driveways into their property, 0:08:38.775 --> 0:08:43.135 so the garage, the original house, new house on the back. 0:08:44.215 --> 0:08:46.215 And I'm gone, you're going to be crazy. 0:08:46.895 --> 0:08:48.495 And she said to me, no, Well, I'll check with 0:08:48.575 --> 0:08:51.375 the council, and they said, no, no, we've granted a permission. 0:08:52.055 --> 0:08:55.135 And I'm going, but you guys owned that the driveway. 0:08:55.215 --> 0:08:57.775 They don't own anything, and yet they're going to push 0:08:58.695 --> 0:09:01.735 at another two drives. I would have assumed that the 0:09:01.815 --> 0:09:04.655 right of way would have stood. I wouldn't have imagined 0:09:04.775 --> 0:09:09.455 you could have created two new accesses off of a driveway. 0:09:09.495 --> 0:09:09.895 You don't know. 0:09:11.135 --> 0:09:13.415 That's an interesting one, and I'm just thinking about it. 0:09:13.895 --> 0:09:15.535 I'm just trying to work my way through that. So 0:09:16.015 --> 0:09:19.215 there's a driveway that services three properties, and typically when 0:09:19.215 --> 0:09:21.895 you look on a title or something like that, you'll 0:09:21.895 --> 0:09:24.335 find that each of the individual titles has like a 0:09:24.455 --> 0:09:28.175 strip of that driveway as part of their title, and 0:09:28.575 --> 0:09:32.095 they all have either an easement or an agreement that 0:09:32.175 --> 0:09:34.495 says we're all going to share. So I own one 0:09:34.575 --> 0:09:37.775 meter of a three meter wide driveway, you own another meter, 0:09:37.935 --> 0:09:41.295 you own the last one, and that becomes the use 0:09:41.335 --> 0:09:44.935 and the property for those three individual houses. And I'm 0:09:44.975 --> 0:09:48.775 getting the impression that this long driveway there happens to 0:09:48.815 --> 0:09:52.375 be a neighboring house right which adjoins it, but doesn't 0:09:52.815 --> 0:09:55.055 necessarily have legal title to the driveway. 0:09:55.575 --> 0:09:58.615 And then they bring houses on the driveway right. 0:09:58.455 --> 0:10:01.815 And they've informally years ago taken out a section offense 0:10:02.175 --> 0:10:04.775 which has allowed them to use the driveway and drive 0:10:04.775 --> 0:10:08.535 into their property. But now now that's being formalized as 0:10:08.655 --> 0:10:13.415 being the entrance to a new development over the land 0:10:13.455 --> 0:10:15.735 that they don't own. That's the bit that I don't get. 0:10:16.495 --> 0:10:18.455 Well, the thing that's really concerning a lot for me. 0:10:19.415 --> 0:10:21.375 I can understand that they have a right away because 0:10:21.415 --> 0:10:24.735 I assume that the garrets, but that particular terrance way 0:10:24.815 --> 0:10:28.055 goes has mean if it's twenty years, let's assume. But 0:10:28.135 --> 0:10:31.855 what concerns me is because they're granted a right away 0:10:31.895 --> 0:10:35.455 to that particular entrance, now that they want to develop 0:10:35.495 --> 0:10:38.775 the property that they actually have rights to create. 0:10:38.895 --> 0:10:39.895 Two more. 0:10:41.535 --> 0:10:45.615 Access is onto their property off the driveway they don't own, 0:10:46.775 --> 0:10:48.135 and there seems to be no recourse. 0:10:49.335 --> 0:10:51.695 I would have thought that your friend who owns the 0:10:51.735 --> 0:10:54.895 property probably needs to go to it'll end up becoming 0:10:54.895 --> 0:10:57.055 a legal thing. A lawyer would need to go survey 0:10:57.135 --> 0:11:00.415 the title and send a note to counsel going, hey, look, 0:11:00.455 --> 0:11:04.695 by the way, you've granted access to a property that 0:11:06.015 --> 0:11:08.335 is not actually owned by that person, and we withdraw 0:11:08.455 --> 0:11:12.095 our right for access to that property. And the other 0:11:12.135 --> 0:11:15.895 thing alongside that is that and I don't necessarily want 0:11:15.935 --> 0:11:18.415 to stand in the way of development just for the 0:11:18.415 --> 0:11:21.415 sake of standing in the way of development. But at 0:11:21.415 --> 0:11:26.135 the same time, like I know from sort of either 0:11:26.175 --> 0:11:29.535 subdivision or intensification work that I've been involved with. There 0:11:29.775 --> 0:11:33.695 is often quite specific rules around what they often call 0:11:33.735 --> 0:11:37.255 a jole like a joint access area, in terms of 0:11:37.295 --> 0:11:39.935 the width of it. I know, for one development we 0:11:39.935 --> 0:11:43.735 were involved with, we had to add like a passing 0:11:43.815 --> 0:11:46.735 bay so that there was sufficient width. You have to 0:11:47.015 --> 0:11:50.335 allow things like can you get a fire truck down there, 0:11:50.415 --> 0:11:52.615 depending on the length of hose that you need to 0:11:52.655 --> 0:11:55.775 get to a property, those sorts of things, so you know, 0:11:55.855 --> 0:11:59.655 what might have been a sufficiently wide driveway for three 0:11:59.695 --> 0:12:03.855 properties may not be a sufficiently wide driveway for six 0:12:03.895 --> 0:12:08.455 property or six developments. So there's a few issues there. Ultimately, 0:12:08.495 --> 0:12:10.295 if you're going to go into battle with counsel, it's 0:12:10.335 --> 0:12:11.375 going to involve lawyers. 0:12:11.415 --> 0:12:14.375 So that's always the problem, isn't it. Everyone's a little 0:12:14.375 --> 0:12:16.655 bit scared to run up a bill of a lawyer 0:12:17.135 --> 0:12:19.095 because you never actually really know what you're going to 0:12:19.255 --> 0:12:21.455 end up until you gets anyway. 0:12:21.655 --> 0:12:24.295 Yeah, actually, that's good question. I'm not sure if lawyers 0:12:24.335 --> 0:12:25.895 do that. You know, like, if I wanted someone to 0:12:25.935 --> 0:12:27.575 come and do some work at my place, could I 0:12:27.575 --> 0:12:29.935 I'd ask for a fixed price quote, But I'm not 0:12:29.975 --> 0:12:31.615 sure that you get that much when you go and 0:12:31.655 --> 0:12:36.975 see your I'll ask our lawyers. I think he comes 0:12:36.975 --> 0:12:39.855 in a fascinating one. Hey, look good on you for 0:12:39.895 --> 0:12:40.735 helping you mate out. 0:12:41.375 --> 0:12:41.975 Thank you much. 0:12:42.575 --> 0:12:45.735 You'll take care pleasure actually on that and it was 0:12:45.775 --> 0:12:49.455 a story. So I'm in the habit these days of 0:12:49.615 --> 0:12:52.815 as I'm reading articles that I find online, often on 0:12:52.855 --> 0:12:55.335 the Herald website and those sorts of things. If it's 0:12:55.495 --> 0:12:58.215 interesting or I feel that it's got some information that 0:12:58.255 --> 0:13:00.975 I might need later on, I just send it to 0:13:01.055 --> 0:13:02.895 myself and it sits in a file on my inbox 0:13:02.935 --> 0:13:05.935 sort of thing. And there was a fascinating one this 0:13:07.255 --> 0:13:09.295 It was on the Herald website. I'm sure it's still 0:13:09.575 --> 0:13:17.655 findable now, where the headline was basically homeowner amazed that 0:13:17.775 --> 0:13:23.935 counsel could install manhole to sewer line by front door 0:13:24.215 --> 0:13:30.975 with no permission or no discussion and consultation. And I thought, gee, 0:13:31.015 --> 0:13:33.895 that's an intriguing one, because I know I've been involved 0:13:33.895 --> 0:13:37.495 with situations where someone a developer, for example, has approached 0:13:37.495 --> 0:13:40.615 a neighboring property to say, hey, look, I need access 0:13:40.615 --> 0:13:45.095 to your property in order to upgrade the stormwater line 0:13:45.135 --> 0:13:47.855 or the wastewater line in order for me to pull 0:13:47.895 --> 0:13:50.735 down this old house and whack up six townhouses, and 0:13:50.775 --> 0:13:54.095 typically the neighbor could go, actually, I'm not that happy 0:13:54.135 --> 0:13:57.735 about it, and then maybe some money changes hands and 0:13:57.735 --> 0:14:02.015 suddenly they're more happy about it, or they go, no, 0:14:02.175 --> 0:14:04.775 I'm not really that interested in it. But the developer 0:14:05.535 --> 0:14:08.655 pushes it through council, and council end up making an 0:14:08.775 --> 0:14:11.535 order saying, hey, look you can. You've got to give 0:14:11.575 --> 0:14:14.055 access to that. It's our asset that happens to be 0:14:14.095 --> 0:14:16.295 in your property, and this person has a right to 0:14:16.375 --> 0:14:19.135 use it. But that typically takes a long time, eighteen months, 0:14:19.175 --> 0:14:22.855 two years, something like that. And so I was intrigued 0:14:22.895 --> 0:14:26.495 by the story where the homeowner is essentially saying, look 0:14:26.815 --> 0:14:29.975 right outside my front door, which actually just happens to 0:14:29.975 --> 0:14:34.215 be on a driveway. They're going to install a new 0:14:34.415 --> 0:14:37.775 wastewater connection from across the road from a development of 0:14:37.895 --> 0:14:40.335 a corner site where there was one house which is 0:14:40.335 --> 0:14:43.655 now going to have eight townhouse development on it. And 0:14:43.735 --> 0:14:46.095 so the developer instead all of this information is in 0:14:46.095 --> 0:14:49.535 the article. The developer, instead of taking that and pumping 0:14:49.575 --> 0:14:52.335 it up to a chamber and then having a gravity 0:14:52.375 --> 0:14:55.695 fed on that side of the road, has opted I 0:14:55.735 --> 0:14:58.055 think with a little bit of insistence from council that 0:14:58.135 --> 0:15:00.655 in fact gravity fed I e. It's better if it 0:15:00.695 --> 0:15:04.335 all just flows downhill, across the road, down a section 0:15:04.415 --> 0:15:07.895 of the driveway and into a new manhole which sits, 0:15:07.975 --> 0:15:12.695 which will sit above the existing council owned or asset, 0:15:13.255 --> 0:15:17.335 being the wastewater line there. And so this homeowner has said, look, 0:15:17.455 --> 0:15:22.055 no consultation, which is really really unusual. I have to say. Anyway, 0:15:22.055 --> 0:15:23.375 you may have a comment on that, or you may 0:15:23.415 --> 0:15:24.775 go and dig out the article and have a bit 0:15:24.775 --> 0:15:27.335 of a read. But it's worth taking the time to 0:15:27.375 --> 0:15:30.255 read the article. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is 0:15:30.335 --> 0:15:33.415 the number to call all things building, construction and as 0:15:33.455 --> 0:15:35.335 it happens right now, but offencing so we'll talk to 0:15:35.335 --> 0:15:37.415 Dobby in just a moment. We'll take a short break 0:15:37.455 --> 0:15:39.415 if you'd like to join us. I eight hundred eighty 0:15:39.535 --> 0:15:44.415 ten eighty is the number to call. I found the 0:15:44.495 --> 0:15:47.815 article that I mentioned. It was up on the twenty 0:15:48.015 --> 0:15:51.575 ninth of August. If you're looking for it, I have 0:15:51.655 --> 0:15:54.015 to say, yeah, have a look at the article. It's 0:15:54.335 --> 0:15:55.855 it's quite good. If you want to chat about it, 0:15:55.855 --> 0:15:57.935 that'd be great. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is 0:15:57.975 --> 0:16:00.375 the number to call Dobby. Good morning to. 0:16:00.335 --> 0:16:05.695 You moning money. Interesting as you're talking about that driver, 0:16:06.375 --> 0:16:11.855 it is exactly the same, right, all you do get 0:16:11.895 --> 0:16:14.135 the boundary pegs down by the road and put a 0:16:14.175 --> 0:16:16.055 fence on each side. 0:16:16.975 --> 0:16:19.255 I think I know what you say. I think in 0:16:19.335 --> 0:16:23.255 this instance here, it seems like an informal arrangement where 0:16:23.295 --> 0:16:28.415 a neighbor, who it would appear to me anyway, doesn't 0:16:28.455 --> 0:16:32.655 have legal access to the driveway, by agreement with the neighbors, 0:16:32.655 --> 0:16:34.615 has cut a hole in the fence and can drive 0:16:34.615 --> 0:16:38.735 along the driveway and nip into their property. Right, So. 0:16:40.375 --> 0:16:45.015 That I appreciate it, really really that place that's got 0:16:45.055 --> 0:16:48.015 three owners, three of them own that driveway, so the 0:16:48.095 --> 0:16:50.135 three of them go against one, Well who wins? 0:16:50.495 --> 0:16:54.415 Well that's right. But yeah, it's a bit of a kid. 0:16:54.935 --> 0:16:57.975 It sounds like you're just an agreement from the last 0:16:58.015 --> 0:17:02.095 in and the last owner. Now that when you buy 0:17:02.135 --> 0:17:05.855 a property, it tells you exactly what hasn't got a 0:17:05.855 --> 0:17:08.935 permit and what's required on their property and your boundary. 0:17:10.975 --> 0:17:12.855 I suppose this one's just going to come down to 0:17:13.055 --> 0:17:17.175 what whether or not the person actually had legal right 0:17:17.335 --> 0:17:20.575 to use that access way. Now maybe while it might 0:17:20.655 --> 0:17:23.735 not be on their title, they might have registered an 0:17:23.815 --> 0:17:27.415 easement for example. So because you know, it's that sort 0:17:27.455 --> 0:17:30.655 of thing. If you look at plans that are often 0:17:30.735 --> 0:17:35.135 drawn where a subdivision takes place, and while each house 0:17:35.135 --> 0:17:38.335 has its own individual title, they'll share a portion of 0:17:38.375 --> 0:17:41.135 the driveway. And as I was saying tat Neville, you know, 0:17:41.175 --> 0:17:44.455 you'll see it kind of divided into thirds or quarters 0:17:44.575 --> 0:17:47.015 or something like that to show which part of the 0:17:47.095 --> 0:17:49.655 driveway you own, but then you have an easement over 0:17:49.695 --> 0:17:50.575 the rest of it to use. 0:17:51.535 --> 0:17:54.535 It goes back to the thing is like, whether it's 0:17:54.535 --> 0:17:57.975 a driveway, a house, section of whatever you pay rates 0:17:58.015 --> 0:18:02.535 on today, Well he comes driveway, it belongs to you. 0:18:02.535 --> 0:18:03.455 You decide. 0:18:04.335 --> 0:18:06.695 Yeah, and I'm a little bit curious. And then the 0:18:06.735 --> 0:18:08.735 other thing, as I mentioned to Neville, is that whole 0:18:08.735 --> 0:18:13.295 thing around you know that like there are obviously planning 0:18:13.335 --> 0:18:18.975 regulations around the width and style of access ways depending 0:18:18.975 --> 0:18:21.375 on the number of properties. So you know, a driveway 0:18:21.415 --> 0:18:25.055 that serves only one unit could potentially be two point 0:18:25.055 --> 0:18:27.975 four meters wide. A driveway that serves more than one 0:18:28.095 --> 0:18:33.255 unit might need to be But yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. 0:18:34.055 --> 0:18:35.695 Now if you look at that on. If it's got 0:18:35.695 --> 0:18:37.335 three things, it'll be a three point six. 0:18:38.135 --> 0:18:40.655 Yeah, that's right. And in some cases, depending on the 0:18:40.735 --> 0:18:41.855 length of it, sometimes you. 0:18:42.495 --> 0:18:47.535 And there'll be addresses on thirty one. Yeah, thirty one 0:18:47.615 --> 0:18:49.735 c h. So there's three have got the right a 0:18:49.775 --> 0:18:51.535 wage of that, That's. 0:18:51.335 --> 0:18:54.375 What I'm thinking. But ultimately, if you're going to go 0:18:54.415 --> 0:18:56.775 and do battle with counselor, you're probably going to have 0:18:56.815 --> 0:19:00.415 to lawyer up. So I suspect it's going about you. 0:19:00.375 --> 0:19:02.735 Don't need a lawyer. You do is show them what 0:19:02.815 --> 0:19:07.575 you're paying rates on. See the lawyer you've got. 0:19:07.935 --> 0:19:10.375 If you did a title search on the adjoining property 0:19:10.415 --> 0:19:14.735 to see what their title actually show shows they have 0:19:14.855 --> 0:19:16.095 access to our rights to. 0:19:17.015 --> 0:19:19.335 Yeah, a counter's got that. All you do is go 0:19:19.375 --> 0:19:23.775 and apply for it, and they've given you a photo 0:19:23.815 --> 0:19:24.815 copy of your titles. 0:19:26.255 --> 0:19:28.895 Awesome, all right, some good advice there, Dobby appreciate that 0:19:29.375 --> 0:19:31.015 all of us to take care of. Then, oh wait, 0:19:31.095 --> 0:19:33.015 I was so tempted to ask him whether or not 0:19:33.975 --> 0:19:36.895 Dobby being I presume a nickname was a nickname that 0:19:36.975 --> 0:19:40.095 was given to him after the Harry Potter movies came out, 0:19:40.455 --> 0:19:43.375 or whether that's a nickname that he had before then 0:19:44.815 --> 0:19:47.095 I didn't feel I should ask, Oh, eight hundred and 0:19:47.135 --> 0:19:49.415 eighty ten eighty is the number to call put morning 0:19:49.455 --> 0:19:54.135 peak text. We've put a roof on us. We want 0:19:54.175 --> 0:19:59.575 to put a roof on slider over a small storage 0:19:59.655 --> 0:20:02.775 erro with thinking wooden trusts clad with roofing, iron on galvanised. 0:20:02.815 --> 0:20:05.015 Now is that possible without a consent? 0:20:06.015 --> 0:20:06.135 TI? 0:20:06.575 --> 0:20:08.015 As soon as you end up with a roof on 0:20:08.175 --> 0:20:16.175 anything that requires a consent, particularly if it's attached to 0:20:16.535 --> 0:20:20.055 your existing building, So things like car ports, for example, 0:20:20.855 --> 0:20:24.215 up to forty square meters can underschedule one of the 0:20:24.215 --> 0:20:27.935 act be built without necessarily requiring a consent, as long 0:20:27.975 --> 0:20:30.135 as it then fits a number of other criteria in 0:20:30.215 --> 0:20:32.775 terms of distance from boundary, not being attached to an 0:20:32.775 --> 0:20:33.815 existing structure, etc. 0:20:34.015 --> 0:20:34.175 Etc. 0:20:35.335 --> 0:20:38.495 Most often, as soon as you put a roof on, 0:20:39.175 --> 0:20:43.255 for example, the difference between having a loggier type thing, 0:20:43.895 --> 0:20:48.695 which is just rafters posts and a beam to give 0:20:48.775 --> 0:20:51.175 some definition to an outdoor space, you can do that 0:20:51.215 --> 0:20:53.895 without a consent. As soon as you add a roofing 0:20:53.975 --> 0:20:57.895 to that, then typically it triggers a requirement for consent, 0:20:58.255 --> 0:21:01.255 and I would imagine that in this instance, your question 0:21:01.455 --> 0:21:04.815 is if you're going to do storage area. Unless it's 0:21:04.935 --> 0:21:08.455 not attached the house and it's not its own height 0:21:08.495 --> 0:21:11.175 away from the boundary, or it is its own height 0:21:11.215 --> 0:21:13.655 away from the boundary, it probably triggered a requirement for 0:21:13.655 --> 0:21:16.575 a building consent. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the 0:21:16.655 --> 0:21:18.175 number to call if you've got a question of a 0:21:18.175 --> 0:21:20.775 building nature. The lines are open for you right now. 0:21:21.015 --> 0:21:27.975 Call us now eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks 0:21:27.975 --> 0:21:30.735 there B. It is six point thirty four here at 0:21:30.895 --> 0:21:32.815 Talks HEB. Probably in the rest of the country as well. 0:21:32.975 --> 0:21:35.335 Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call 0:21:35.375 --> 0:21:38.335 if you've got a question of a building nature, whether 0:21:38.375 --> 0:21:40.335 it's you know, we've talked a little bit about fencings 0:21:40.335 --> 0:21:44.015 and driveways, and it's that whole. I guess it's an 0:21:44.015 --> 0:21:49.015 increasingly common issue in most metropolitan areas or most urban 0:21:49.055 --> 0:21:54.215 areas where intensification is obviously underway and suddenly it does 0:21:54.295 --> 0:21:58.255 put pressure on either existing infrastructure, whether that's assets that 0:21:58.295 --> 0:22:01.735 are in the ground I pipework and services, or above 0:22:01.775 --> 0:22:05.935 ground as well in terms of parking, driveways, access, rubbish 0:22:05.935 --> 0:22:08.655 collection and all of those sorts of things. And I've 0:22:08.735 --> 0:22:12.415 just had another read through This article about it was 0:22:12.455 --> 0:22:16.095 in the Herald on the twenty ninth of August about 0:22:16.335 --> 0:22:19.095 a gentleman who lives in Green Bay. Green Bay's a 0:22:19.135 --> 0:22:25.295 little sort of beachside suburb alongside the Monaco Harbor out 0:22:25.575 --> 0:22:31.935 of central West Auckland, and a development that's happening on it. 0:22:32.215 --> 0:22:35.575 This is the I suppose the crux of the issue 0:22:35.855 --> 0:22:39.535 an eight hundred and twelve square meter site that is 0:22:39.655 --> 0:22:44.295 now going to have eight new townhouses put onto it. 0:22:46.455 --> 0:22:50.775 And I have to say I personally don't in most 0:22:50.815 --> 0:22:54.895 instances have too much of an issue with intensification. I 0:22:54.975 --> 0:22:56.695 think we need to do it. I think it's a 0:22:56.775 --> 0:23:01.735 really good way of creating more supply, of hopefully addressing 0:23:01.775 --> 0:23:05.535 issues around affordability, and of preventing urban sprawl, which I 0:23:05.575 --> 0:23:07.455 don't think is a good at all. This kind of 0:23:07.535 --> 0:23:10.895 constant let's just find more land, old farms and put 0:23:10.935 --> 0:23:14.575 more townhouses on them, is not a I don't think 0:23:14.575 --> 0:23:18.535 it's a great method of growing your city. So intensification 0:23:18.615 --> 0:23:21.775 is good. But I thought that things like the Auckland 0:23:21.975 --> 0:23:26.135 Unitary Plan and other planning initiatives by councils around the 0:23:26.135 --> 0:23:32.015 country was to promote these sorts of developments within walking 0:23:32.055 --> 0:23:34.935 distance of public transport and so on and so forth. 0:23:35.055 --> 0:23:37.815 That you know, if you're five hundred meters from a 0:23:37.855 --> 0:23:42.135 train station or a transport hub or then you're allowed 0:23:42.135 --> 0:23:45.695 to intensify to a certain height and number. And then 0:23:45.775 --> 0:23:49.495 as that distance reduces, then the scale of the intensification 0:23:49.695 --> 0:23:52.695 reduces as well. With an idea to saying, well, look, 0:23:52.735 --> 0:23:55.695 if we're going to promote intensification, then we also need 0:23:55.735 --> 0:23:58.855 to promote mode shift in terms of transport. And if 0:23:58.855 --> 0:24:01.695 we put these types of developments near transport hubs, then 0:24:01.735 --> 0:24:04.655 people can use public transport to get around a little 0:24:04.655 --> 0:24:08.095 bit ideologically driven. Oh, but it does actually kind of 0:24:08.095 --> 0:24:12.135 make sense. So then I was fascinated by the story 0:24:14.415 --> 0:24:19.815 around the connection of eight new townhouses to a sewer 0:24:19.855 --> 0:24:23.575 connection that is in the adjoining property, not adjoining, but 0:24:23.775 --> 0:24:27.495 across the road and down a right of way to 0:24:27.575 --> 0:24:29.775 a new manhole there. And then yes, I had a 0:24:29.815 --> 0:24:32.015 look on maps, and then I had a look on 0:24:32.015 --> 0:24:34.975 the gis to see what was what the infrastructure is like, 0:24:37.135 --> 0:24:39.695 and then thought, actually, this is not the sort of 0:24:39.735 --> 0:24:43.535 development that I think we should be having. It's an 0:24:43.615 --> 0:24:47.175 eight hundred and twelve square meter site in a suburban 0:24:47.295 --> 0:24:53.055 street that is predominantly single house dwelling and quite a 0:24:53.095 --> 0:24:56.535 distance from any major transport hub. There's buses at the 0:24:56.575 --> 0:24:58.895 end of the road, but then they connect to another 0:24:58.935 --> 0:25:01.455 transport hub before you go in. So I wonder where 0:25:01.455 --> 0:25:03.415 the issue with this story is. Really this is the 0:25:03.415 --> 0:25:08.415 sort of development that intense probably shouldn't have happened. Anyway, 0:25:08.655 --> 0:25:11.055 your thoughts, Oh, eight hundred and eighty, Then I'm to 0:25:11.055 --> 0:25:12.135 call hello, Gabriel. 0:25:12.975 --> 0:25:16.895 Yeah, good morning, Peter. Sorry, I speak some of it in. 0:25:17.215 --> 0:25:21.815 Imperial, quite familiar with I've got Yes. 0:25:21.695 --> 0:25:26.215 I've got a width between the house and the neighbor's 0:25:26.295 --> 0:25:30.975 fence of seventeen feet. But I want to erect a 0:25:32.255 --> 0:25:36.295 what's called a portable garage. It's made of it's made 0:25:36.335 --> 0:25:42.815 of canvas, heavy duty. That tent basically is it's thirteen 0:25:42.895 --> 0:25:47.495 feet wide, which means that I've got about two feet 0:25:47.655 --> 0:25:52.575 on either side when it's up. Are there? And the 0:25:52.615 --> 0:25:54.615 other thing I want to do, it's may change it 0:25:54.655 --> 0:25:59.495 is that on each corner I want to add poles 0:25:59.535 --> 0:26:03.695 of two meters in length and drop them and concrete 0:26:03.735 --> 0:26:10.055 them around them around this tenth so that it stabilizes 0:26:10.095 --> 0:26:13.855 it further. So I'm wondering are there any rules or 0:26:15.015 --> 0:26:18.855 any rules that I should be aware of? And yeah, 0:26:18.895 --> 0:26:20.895 I mean, look to do I need consent? 0:26:21.135 --> 0:26:26.615 The typically you would, and the main reason for that 0:26:26.735 --> 0:26:30.535 is proximity to the boundary. So the sort of rule 0:26:30.575 --> 0:26:32.775 of thumb is that if you're within a meter of 0:26:32.815 --> 0:26:35.175 the boundary, and a met is just over three feet, 0:26:36.455 --> 0:26:41.815 then that triggers the requirement for a building consent. And 0:26:41.855 --> 0:26:44.095 so two foot is obviously less than three foot, and 0:26:44.135 --> 0:26:49.695 so that would requirement. Also, the building should, ideally, if 0:26:50.175 --> 0:26:52.815 it gets done without consent, be the height of the 0:26:52.855 --> 0:26:56.535 structure away from your existing structure, and you won't have 0:26:56.575 --> 0:27:00.135 that space. The challenge would be getting a building consent 0:27:00.255 --> 0:27:04.055 for something that's not really a building, i e. It's 0:27:05.295 --> 0:27:07.855 you can a sort of temporary structure. 0:27:08.415 --> 0:27:09.335 Temporary structure. 0:27:09.415 --> 0:27:12.135 Yeah, and the what are you going to do? Just 0:27:12.175 --> 0:27:14.415 park a car in there? It's just cover for a car. 0:27:15.335 --> 0:27:20.895 Yeah, yeah, that's what I hope to do. But yeah, okay, 0:27:20.975 --> 0:27:24.135 so I need to consent, But that's fine. That's really 0:27:24.175 --> 0:27:26.575 what I'll wanted to know before I get right into 0:27:26.575 --> 0:27:27.695 it yet. 0:27:27.775 --> 0:27:31.095 But I think so, and you know, part of that 0:27:31.135 --> 0:27:33.695 will also be that like if let's say you don't 0:27:33.695 --> 0:27:36.135 go for consent, and suddenly you start building and the 0:27:36.175 --> 0:27:39.255 neighbor goes craiky, I'm not really that happy about this 0:27:39.295 --> 0:27:42.815 thing being so close to the boundary, And then they 0:27:42.855 --> 0:27:44.935 go to council. Council will turn up and go, well, 0:27:44.975 --> 0:27:47.775 actually you do need a consent for that. It's unauthorized 0:27:47.815 --> 0:27:51.255 works and you'll get a notice effects or a you know, 0:27:51.375 --> 0:27:55.055 a letter, potentially a fine. I mean typically counsel don't 0:27:55.135 --> 0:27:59.655 go out looking for these sorts of things, but when 0:27:59.655 --> 0:28:02.295 it's drawn to their attention, eventually they'll get round to 0:28:02.695 --> 0:28:03.255 looking at it. 0:28:04.135 --> 0:28:06.055 Yeah, so good advice as usual. 0:28:06.055 --> 0:28:10.775 Pleasure somebody boundaries where it's all that already all the best, 0:28:10.855 --> 0:28:13.295 take care bother them and Eric a very good morning 0:28:13.295 --> 0:28:13.615 to you. 0:28:14.335 --> 0:28:17.535 Good morning, Peter. I have a problem I'm hoping you 0:28:17.575 --> 0:28:19.695 won't be ever help me with. I've just done a 0:28:19.775 --> 0:28:22.215 twelve meter by eight meter edition on my son's house. 0:28:22.535 --> 0:28:25.255 So now we're into doing the old part of the house. 0:28:25.455 --> 0:28:29.295 So when we put the new roof on, we stripped 0:28:29.295 --> 0:28:31.055 the roof off the old part of the house. It's 0:28:31.095 --> 0:28:35.295 a fifteen degree pitch, so because the pearlins didn't line up, 0:28:35.495 --> 0:28:38.055 so we removed the eye and the building paper of 0:28:38.095 --> 0:28:42.215 the netting replaced the pearlins, put the new white paper 0:28:42.255 --> 0:28:46.375 on and reroofed it. Since then, we've ripped all the 0:28:46.375 --> 0:28:48.215 wooden windows out of the old part of the house 0:28:48.215 --> 0:28:52.575 and replaced them with double blows with the planted seal, 0:28:52.655 --> 0:28:56.855 and anyway, we now have a mold problem growing on 0:28:56.935 --> 0:28:59.575 the bottoms of the pearlins and about the meter up 0:28:59.775 --> 0:29:03.495 the rafters in where we've reroofed just one side of 0:29:03.495 --> 0:29:05.255 the house, on the eastern side of the house, so 0:29:05.895 --> 0:29:08.615 we kicked in the front entrance, the bathroom in one 0:29:08.655 --> 0:29:12.175 bedroom when we started last weekend ripping the ceilings and 0:29:12.215 --> 0:29:14.375 that down in the old part of the house. In 0:29:14.415 --> 0:29:17.735 the bathroom, we could see this mold growing and it's 0:29:17.775 --> 0:29:20.815 quite bad growing on the on the It's only on 0:29:20.855 --> 0:29:22.655 the top side of the purlins and for about a 0:29:22.735 --> 0:29:26.375 meter up from the top plate up the rafters. A. 0:29:26.615 --> 0:29:29.255 What's caused that? I know, I listened a while ago 0:29:29.335 --> 0:29:34.135 you were talking about roof ventilation. A what caused it? 0:29:34.175 --> 0:29:36.415 And B how do we solve it? Because it wasn't 0:29:36.455 --> 0:29:40.935 there previously. I have I have a feeling that because 0:29:41.095 --> 0:29:43.575 while we had all the wine eating and everything off, 0:29:44.415 --> 0:29:48.655 we took the opportunity to put new bats completely over 0:29:48.735 --> 0:29:51.495 top of the old bats that had shrunken down. I 0:29:51.535 --> 0:29:53.535 have a feeling that they had one of those test 0:29:53.615 --> 0:29:56.495 that sucking motor things in the bathroom with the heat 0:29:56.535 --> 0:29:59.335 lamps in it and an extractor fan. I have a 0:29:59.375 --> 0:30:03.975 feeling the fact that the hose may have had a 0:30:03.975 --> 0:30:06.695 hole in it, or you know, the one hundred and 0:30:06.735 --> 0:30:09.815 fifty little point to the outside of the house. So 0:30:10.535 --> 0:30:15.495 have you any ideas what caused this or it wasn't 0:30:15.495 --> 0:30:17.935 there in the previously and we get rid of it. 0:30:18.175 --> 0:30:24.095 Yeah, I think it's probably just happenstance that it wasn't 0:30:24.135 --> 0:30:27.815 there before, because there was probably a lot more airflow, right, 0:30:28.695 --> 0:30:32.415 and a lot more ventilation in an old drafty construction, 0:30:33.215 --> 0:30:36.815 And so then you've ended up going part way towards 0:30:36.895 --> 0:30:41.655 reducing that airflow, which then creates still air, which then 0:30:41.775 --> 0:30:46.975 creates the potential for mold growth. And it's it's a 0:30:47.335 --> 0:30:51.775 it could potentially be a thing called interstitular moisture control. 0:30:52.295 --> 0:30:53.975 Right, it's a big word. 0:30:54.295 --> 0:30:58.735 Yeah, I know, and to be fair, it does get 0:30:59.375 --> 0:31:05.895 enormously complex. Well yeah, it does quite quickly. But there's 0:31:05.895 --> 0:31:08.855 a lot of articles about it and it kind of 0:31:08.855 --> 0:31:11.175 relates to a couple of things. One is that we 0:31:11.615 --> 0:31:18.735 have to start understanding that moisture, as in water molecules 0:31:18.815 --> 0:31:26.375 attached to air, migrates through solid surfaces. So and that 0:31:27.455 --> 0:31:29.135 I'm still trying to get my head around it, to 0:31:29.175 --> 0:31:31.095 be fair, right, this is an area that I'm trying 0:31:31.095 --> 0:31:34.015 to do a lot more reading on. So, for example, 0:31:34.015 --> 0:31:37.575 an a skillion roof a little bit like what you've constructed, 0:31:37.855 --> 0:31:41.855 there will always be moisture inside the room below that. Now, 0:31:42.255 --> 0:31:46.295 if for example, we've got just plasterboard lining and then 0:31:46.335 --> 0:31:49.575 we've got our ceiling strapping, then we've got some insulation, 0:31:50.255 --> 0:31:52.855 then hopefully there's a gap at the top of that 0:31:52.935 --> 0:31:57.055 insulation to the underside of the roofing underlay, and then 0:31:57.095 --> 0:32:00.215 you've got your roofing iron on top. So moisture will 0:32:00.495 --> 0:32:05.175 migrate from inside that habitable space through the plaster board 0:32:05.615 --> 0:32:10.415 and then trapped inside that surface, which if that's got 0:32:10.455 --> 0:32:14.335 less airflow than before because you've put new building paper 0:32:14.375 --> 0:32:16.775 on it, because maybe you've tidied up some gaps and 0:32:16.815 --> 0:32:20.255 bits and pieces, or you've ended up closing up the 0:32:20.295 --> 0:32:24.375 gap between the roofing underlay and the insulation. So Ideally 0:32:24.815 --> 0:32:28.415 you must have at least fifty millimeters of gap between 0:32:28.455 --> 0:32:31.655 your insulation and the underside of your roofing underlay to 0:32:31.775 --> 0:32:37.335 allow for some airflow in there, because without it, that's 0:32:37.335 --> 0:32:40.015 where the moisture ends up. And then when the moisture 0:32:40.055 --> 0:32:42.975 adheres to a surface, it creates a damp environment and 0:32:43.095 --> 0:32:46.015 promotes mold growth, and that's what you might be seeing. 0:32:46.695 --> 0:32:51.135 I've seen similar pictures for example of actually some classrooms 0:32:51.135 --> 0:32:57.255 that were built about fifteen years ago where agains you know, 0:32:58.215 --> 0:33:02.775 rafter perlin building paper, iron, insulation, plasterboard on the underside, 0:33:03.215 --> 0:33:07.175 and when they pulled them down because they'd seen mold 0:33:07.215 --> 0:33:10.095 on the ceilings, what they found is that the moisture 0:33:10.135 --> 0:33:14.895 had got into that space and the insulation was starting 0:33:14.935 --> 0:33:17.695 to blacken with mold, and there was mold growth on 0:33:17.735 --> 0:33:20.855 the timber as well, and potentially from their timber decay. 0:33:21.495 --> 0:33:24.055 So that's kind of if you do want to do 0:33:24.095 --> 0:33:28.495 some reading, start in that area. And again it's pretty 0:33:28.535 --> 0:33:32.615 flash sounding terminology, but interstitular moisture control is where you 0:33:32.655 --> 0:33:34.255 want to be looking at on. 0:33:34.895 --> 0:33:36.855 The new part of the house, or sorry, on the 0:33:36.855 --> 0:33:39.135 new part of the house. Because we had to put 0:33:39.175 --> 0:33:43.135 the extra thick vats and before we put the pearlins 0:33:43.175 --> 0:33:45.335 on above the top plate we used. It came in 0:33:45.375 --> 0:33:46.935 a box and you sort of folded it out like 0:33:46.975 --> 0:33:52.015 a constantina. It was like a corrugated plastic. It was 0:33:52.055 --> 0:33:55.135 about eight hundred high and we put it right around 0:33:55.255 --> 0:33:57.855 the right around the house and so that meant that 0:33:57.895 --> 0:34:03.255 the bats could not possibly touch the building paper, et cetera. 0:34:03.775 --> 0:34:05.615 But this is like a white mold, it's not a 0:34:05.615 --> 0:34:08.255 black mold. There was absolutely no sign of it on 0:34:08.335 --> 0:34:11.975 the ceilings on the inside of the house, but we 0:34:11.975 --> 0:34:14.135 could just smell it when we started pulling down the 0:34:15.215 --> 0:34:17.495 ceilings in the bathroom. And the soun's an asthmatic, and 0:34:17.495 --> 0:34:19.535 the soun's an asthmetic, and it's the last thing we want. 0:34:20.215 --> 0:34:21.855 So the other. 0:34:21.775 --> 0:34:25.095 Issue, the other issue to look at is what's the 0:34:25.175 --> 0:34:29.575 ventilation like inside the house. And you know, I know 0:34:29.735 --> 0:34:32.495 that often when we talk ventilation, people just go just 0:34:32.535 --> 0:34:34.255 open a door or open a window and that sort 0:34:34.295 --> 0:34:38.495 of thing, and that's part of the solution. But you know, 0:34:38.575 --> 0:34:41.735 in modern living, we don't always leave windows and doors open. 0:34:42.735 --> 0:34:46.575 So having an active form of ventilation, whether that's a 0:34:46.615 --> 0:34:50.335 positive pressure system or a balanced pressure system in the 0:34:50.375 --> 0:34:56.775 house actively, you know, controlling airflow, controlling moisture within the 0:34:56.775 --> 0:35:00.535 house might also be part of the solution. Interestingly enough, 0:35:00.615 --> 0:35:04.855 I've had I had a long discussion with actually someone 0:35:04.895 --> 0:35:06.535 who's going to join us on the PROGRAMM a couple 0:35:06.535 --> 0:35:11.895 of weeks time, Storm Harpham, who's an engineer who now 0:35:11.935 --> 0:35:17.015 works specifically in ventilation for residential houses. So she's going 0:35:17.055 --> 0:35:18.535 to join me on the show in a couple of 0:35:18.575 --> 0:35:22.775 weeks time. And again I met her at an event. 0:35:22.815 --> 0:35:27.935 We got talking about insulation, about ventilation, and then a 0:35:27.935 --> 0:35:31.375 property that I look after had a similar issue where 0:35:31.415 --> 0:35:34.375 I thought I had dealt with mold issues in a bathroom, 0:35:35.215 --> 0:35:39.175 including adding a new fan, putting in bed of repainting 0:35:39.215 --> 0:35:42.175 the ceiling, cleaning all the moisture off, checking for leaks, etc. 0:35:42.855 --> 0:35:46.695 And then after about eight months later, had the reoccurrence 0:35:46.735 --> 0:35:49.535 of this mold issue. And one of the things that 0:35:49.695 --> 0:35:52.455 in discussion with Storm we talked about is that it's 0:35:52.655 --> 0:35:56.015 very much about changing the type of ventilation that we've 0:35:56.055 --> 0:35:58.175 got in that building. And so I'm going to swap 0:35:58.175 --> 0:36:00.695 out the fan that I've got in there for one 0:36:00.735 --> 0:36:04.615 that has a humidity and temperature sensor on it. So 0:36:04.655 --> 0:36:09.055 it's reading the room and turning itself on when required, 0:36:09.215 --> 0:36:11.255 rather than relying on the people who are in the 0:36:11.295 --> 0:36:13.495 house to go, oh, that's right, I need to turn 0:36:13.535 --> 0:36:16.055 the fan on. And then we discussed other sort of 0:36:17.295 --> 0:36:20.655 you know, home ventilation systems that will be active all 0:36:20.695 --> 0:36:24.255 of the time to increase air flow, to control humidity, 0:36:24.455 --> 0:36:26.135 et cetera, et cetera. So there might be a couple 0:36:26.175 --> 0:36:27.095 of things happening there. 0:36:28.135 --> 0:36:31.335 What I thought about doing was around this, A feat 0:36:31.855 --> 0:36:34.935 was putting in a series of like underhouse vents, you know, 0:36:35.015 --> 0:36:38.055 but you know, the galvanized vents, and like, yes, I'm 0:36:38.095 --> 0:36:40.255 a bit reluctant because the old five blow it will 0:36:40.255 --> 0:36:42.655 have his best orso yeah, because it's an old house. 0:36:42.655 --> 0:36:46.335 It's pretty old house with that, with that, you know, 0:36:46.615 --> 0:36:49.335 but without having something at the top ll very well 0:36:49.375 --> 0:36:51.655 having a hole at the bottom. But I heard you 0:36:51.735 --> 0:36:54.215 talking about ventilated ridge. 0:36:54.535 --> 0:36:59.055 And interestingly enough, I did a I built for myself 0:36:59.935 --> 0:37:03.575 on another project, a ten scua meter cabin right home 0:37:03.615 --> 0:37:07.935 office type thing, and it had had a monopitch roof, 0:37:08.015 --> 0:37:11.975 so six inch rails, four to two rafters, jframe sorry 0:37:12.095 --> 0:37:16.095 six two rafters and jframe. And then what I ended 0:37:16.175 --> 0:37:18.895 up doing is I had actually a vapor control barrier 0:37:19.015 --> 0:37:21.935 underneath the rafters, then I had my insulation, Then I 0:37:21.975 --> 0:37:24.815 had a different type of vapor control barrier on top 0:37:24.855 --> 0:37:28.535 of the rafters. Then I put battens on and then 0:37:28.615 --> 0:37:32.695 my perlans to allow airflow. And so I've got airflow 0:37:32.735 --> 0:37:35.535 that comes in from underneath the iron and then at 0:37:35.575 --> 0:37:37.415 the top don't really have a ridge cap. You've just 0:37:37.415 --> 0:37:39.455 got a barge flashing at the top. But at the 0:37:39.495 --> 0:37:42.575 top there I've installed one hundred mil vent because it's 0:37:42.575 --> 0:37:44.735 a dark roof and it's going to heat up, so 0:37:45.295 --> 0:37:48.935 trying to control the amount of heat and condensation that 0:37:48.975 --> 0:37:51.375 I get in there by actually having some ventilation. So 0:37:51.735 --> 0:37:56.695 similar to what you're talking about, having potentially airflow in 0:37:57.055 --> 0:38:00.615 and out in a roof space to help control the 0:38:00.775 --> 0:38:04.495 environment there would possibly be a good thing. What I 0:38:04.615 --> 0:38:06.055 do is I've got to take a break, but I 0:38:06.415 --> 0:38:08.415 would have a look I tell you what, I have 0:38:08.415 --> 0:38:12.535 a look at some of the brand's articles recently have 0:38:12.655 --> 0:38:15.455 been really good around They're often really good, but the 0:38:15.455 --> 0:38:20.775 ones around ventilation and moisture control are digestible but really 0:38:20.775 --> 0:38:23.375 really good information. So have a look at the brand's 0:38:23.455 --> 0:38:28.655 articles online. They're worth reading. Nice talking, take care, take 0:38:28.735 --> 0:38:31.855 short break back in a mow your news talks, they'd 0:38:31.895 --> 0:38:33.855 be we can talk to Doug, but I think I 0:38:33.935 --> 0:38:36.055 might get them to hold just for a moment because 0:38:36.055 --> 0:38:38.175 we don't have much time before the news. Top of 0:38:38.175 --> 0:38:40.895 the hour. After the news, we are going to touch 0:38:40.935 --> 0:38:44.095 base with Mike Olds from Razine Construction Systems. And in 0:38:44.175 --> 0:38:47.375 the next hour, of course the climb past will be along, 0:38:47.815 --> 0:38:49.695 and to be fair, we might have to start a 0:38:49.695 --> 0:38:51.975 bit early because we are going to be talking about 0:38:52.015 --> 0:38:56.735 our boxes. A mild obsession of mine or our household 0:38:56.775 --> 0:39:00.775 has been this migration of German barn ow's, which have 0:39:00.815 --> 0:39:04.215 become native to Northland and are moving their way down, 0:39:04.295 --> 0:39:06.535 including a very exciting post the other day, one of 0:39:06.575 --> 0:39:11.775 them sitting in a tree on Ponsonby Road of all places. Yes, 0:39:11.815 --> 0:39:15.455 indeed Ponsonby Road anyway. So I went to the expert 0:39:15.495 --> 0:39:17.775 being rid and said, hey, look, do you have any 0:39:17.855 --> 0:39:24.295 designs for these owl boxes, because there's quite specific requirements 0:39:24.335 --> 0:39:28.255 to make it an enticing habitat for said barn owl. 0:39:29.175 --> 0:39:30.695 So he sent me some plans, and then he sent 0:39:30.735 --> 0:39:33.535 me some other plans. So I made the first one 0:39:34.255 --> 0:39:36.095 on Thursday, and then I went back out into the 0:39:36.135 --> 0:39:38.135 shed yesterday because it was a pretty average kind of 0:39:38.175 --> 0:39:41.695 day weatherwise, and made another one. So I've now got 0:39:41.735 --> 0:39:46.815 these two different designs and layouts for barn owl boxes. Anyway, 0:39:47.215 --> 0:39:49.695 I'll put up some photographs on my Facebook page a 0:39:49.695 --> 0:39:52.135 little bit later on so you can see what is 0:39:52.175 --> 0:39:55.175 that I'm actually rambling on about. But a very entertaining 0:39:55.415 --> 0:39:57.495 couple of hours in the shed to make both of 0:39:57.535 --> 0:40:02.135 these various designs, or a variety of designs that I've 0:40:02.135 --> 0:40:06.175 now got so two different layouts for the same owl house. 0:40:07.215 --> 0:40:09.455 And I'll try and put up my plans for how 0:40:09.455 --> 0:40:11.855 I made them as well, So we'll do that anyway, 0:40:11.895 --> 0:40:14.415 we will talk more after the news sport and whether 0:40:14.455 --> 0:40:15.895 here at News Talks. He'd be if you'd like to 0:40:15.935 --> 0:40:18.095 join us. The lines are open than The number to 0:40:18.215 --> 0:40:21.535 call is eight hundred eighty ten eighty, and of course 0:40:21.575 --> 0:40:23.415 you are more than welcome to text as well. It's 0:40:23.495 --> 0:40:26.615 nine to nine two or zib from your mobile phone. 0:40:26.695 --> 0:40:28.855 We're back after the break. You a News Talks, he'd 0:40:28.895 --> 0:40:31.215 be welcome back to the show. Eight hundred eighty ten 0:40:31.375 --> 0:40:34.135 eighty is the number to call if you've got any 0:40:34.375 --> 0:40:39.495 questions around building construction renovating, like Eric our caller just 0:40:39.495 --> 0:40:43.935 before the news talking about an existing house, then some alterations, 0:40:43.975 --> 0:40:48.295 and then after the alterations having an issue with moisture 0:40:48.575 --> 0:40:53.055 and mold growth in what has been the new addition. 0:40:53.215 --> 0:40:56.455 So something changed which has then created the environment for 0:40:56.895 --> 0:41:01.575 mold growth. It does get I don't keep keep realizing that. 0:41:01.615 --> 0:41:03.695 I keep saying these things are complex, and they are 0:41:03.815 --> 0:41:06.495 because it's a It's an interconnection of a whole lot 0:41:06.535 --> 0:41:11.575 of different elements around ventilation, around moisture, about construction, around 0:41:12.455 --> 0:41:16.855 what happens as moisture migrates through a solid surface, the 0:41:16.895 --> 0:41:19.055 position of the jew point, and those sorts of things. 0:41:19.415 --> 0:41:22.295 But there is a tremendous amount of research that's been 0:41:22.615 --> 0:41:26.215 done on this, partly driven by failure. So when we 0:41:26.295 --> 0:41:30.735 see things that don't work well, then we suddenly realize, actually, 0:41:30.775 --> 0:41:34.175 we've got a bit of an issue with how you know, 0:41:34.295 --> 0:41:38.735 we've assembled the assembly of our construction either leaves the 0:41:38.775 --> 0:41:41.015 moisture sitting on the outside, which is where we want it, 0:41:41.175 --> 0:41:44.695 or inadvertently we end up with it sitting on the inside. 0:41:44.935 --> 0:41:47.015 So we move the jew point to the inside of 0:41:47.055 --> 0:41:51.895 our building structures, which then provides an environment for mold growth, 0:41:52.135 --> 0:41:55.575 so we need to understand how that moisture migrates through 0:41:55.935 --> 0:42:01.175 solid surfaces and the impact of variation of temperature inside 0:42:01.175 --> 0:42:05.455 and outside. The impact of adequate ventilation into our houses 0:42:05.535 --> 0:42:08.215 is our houses come. We're a long way from being 0:42:08.255 --> 0:42:11.295 air tight, but we're getting closer and closer. If you 0:42:11.295 --> 0:42:13.295 look at how we do building wraps and we do 0:42:13.375 --> 0:42:15.775 window ceiling, we look at the quality of the window 0:42:15.935 --> 0:42:19.095 and the lack of gaps and cracks and drafts. These 0:42:19.135 --> 0:42:22.215 sorts of things make our buildings more air tight without 0:42:22.295 --> 0:42:25.975 being air tight. And then highlighting the fact that we 0:42:26.055 --> 0:42:29.415 need to do adequate ventilation as well. And the other 0:42:29.455 --> 0:42:33.695 thing that it struck me the other day and it's 0:42:33.575 --> 0:42:35.535 a part of what I do. I guess that is 0:42:35.615 --> 0:42:39.015 the least pleasurable is every now and then being asked 0:42:39.055 --> 0:42:41.335 to go and have a look at some work that's 0:42:41.375 --> 0:42:44.375 being done, and then from time to time looking at 0:42:44.415 --> 0:42:49.895 it going it's just really poor work, you know. And 0:42:50.215 --> 0:42:53.135 while I think in general we've got reasonable standards in 0:42:53.215 --> 0:42:55.535 terms of how we put our houses together and the 0:42:55.615 --> 0:42:58.375 quality of the people doing the work, every now and 0:42:58.415 --> 0:43:01.815 then you still end up running into a job and 0:43:01.895 --> 0:43:05.815 into a site where you just go, look, the person 0:43:05.935 --> 0:43:08.415 just of viously didn't know what they were doing. And 0:43:08.455 --> 0:43:11.775 how did you end up contracting this person? How was 0:43:11.815 --> 0:43:13.695 it that you allowed this person to come and do 0:43:13.775 --> 0:43:16.575 this work? Was it they were recommended and they've done 0:43:16.615 --> 0:43:18.775 a really bad job? Did they end up? Did you 0:43:18.935 --> 0:43:21.095 get how? I heard of a story years ago someone 0:43:21.135 --> 0:43:26.095 got eleven quotes for a renovation project, took the lowest quote, 0:43:26.175 --> 0:43:29.135 the cheapest one, and the job was a disaster, and 0:43:29.175 --> 0:43:32.375 you kind of go, well, no surprises there. So getting 0:43:32.455 --> 0:43:35.335 quality and ensuring quality is always a bit tricky, and 0:43:35.375 --> 0:43:37.455 funnily enough, it was something that I got chatting to 0:43:37.655 --> 0:43:40.815 Mike Olds from Razine Construction about the other day. Mike, 0:43:40.895 --> 0:43:44.495 a very good morning and happy Father's Day. Likewise, please 0:43:44.695 --> 0:43:47.895 cheers mate. It's a real issue, isn't it in terms 0:43:47.975 --> 0:43:51.495 of you know, if you're slightly unfamiliar to building and 0:43:51.575 --> 0:43:55.615 construction and you're out there looking for contractors, how do 0:43:55.695 --> 0:43:58.975 you know you're going to get someone who's reliable and 0:43:59.655 --> 0:44:01.855 is going to do what they need to do in 0:44:01.935 --> 0:44:04.695 order to achieve a good outcome? And I guess you know, 0:44:04.935 --> 0:44:08.375 for you guys with Razine Struction, it's all about exterior 0:44:08.415 --> 0:44:12.295 construction and clanning and so on. So if we're going 0:44:12.495 --> 0:44:17.215 down the exterior construction with razine, how would you how 0:44:17.255 --> 0:44:18.375 do you guys monitor it? 0:44:19.695 --> 0:44:23.335 Well, since day one of our business, we've taken their 0:44:23.375 --> 0:44:26.175 approach that we just don't sell our products out the 0:44:26.175 --> 0:44:30.615 door for a start. We only supply qualified professional contractors 0:44:30.855 --> 0:44:34.335 who we can then support through the entire process. And 0:44:35.495 --> 0:44:38.935 it's interesting over the years, it hasn't really changed in 0:44:39.055 --> 0:44:44.335 terms of what people need to look for. Price is 0:44:44.375 --> 0:44:47.055 always a dominant factor, and that seems to be even 0:44:47.095 --> 0:44:50.815 stronger these days to the current economic environment. But still 0:44:50.815 --> 0:44:53.855 with that said, people need to do their due diligence 0:44:54.335 --> 0:44:56.855 and part of the process on our side of things, 0:44:56.895 --> 0:45:03.855 outside of the LBP process restricting supply into professional contractors 0:45:03.855 --> 0:45:07.135 that know what they're doing and how to do the 0:45:07.215 --> 0:45:11.375 variety of systems that we offer. As another mechanism that 0:45:11.375 --> 0:45:17.295 we applied back in two thousand and five to generate 0:45:17.655 --> 0:45:20.215 great as surety for the installations of the products and 0:45:20.295 --> 0:45:24.055 systems was an on site review process or technical review 0:45:24.095 --> 0:45:28.535 process by one of our technical sales staff. Now that 0:45:28.695 --> 0:45:32.735 involves a review at substrate. So once all the battens 0:45:32.775 --> 0:45:35.695 and the flash and the clouding, the substrate's been installed, 0:45:35.975 --> 0:45:40.495 we do a review at that stage, checking roof connections 0:45:40.535 --> 0:45:43.695 and all sorts of things, and then at the final 0:45:43.735 --> 0:45:47.375 review we go and doo a qa check on the 0:45:47.415 --> 0:45:50.895 finished article of the project. And then following on from 0:45:50.935 --> 0:45:54.055 that another seven years later we send reminders to the 0:45:54.095 --> 0:45:58.895 clients to start considering general maintenance and repaints and checking 0:45:58.895 --> 0:46:02.535 that they've been looking after and maintaining the property over 0:46:02.575 --> 0:46:05.375 that sort of that period of time. So there's a 0:46:05.415 --> 0:46:07.015 lot of fact that's involved in it that I think 0:46:07.055 --> 0:46:08.815 one of the key things in terms of what you 0:46:08.895 --> 0:46:12.175 started a conversation with is around checking the quality of 0:46:12.255 --> 0:46:15.095 the quoting stage. At the moment, everyone's going for a 0:46:15.135 --> 0:46:18.095 lot of quotes and checking things in terms of price 0:46:18.135 --> 0:46:20.655 of the first dominant factor, but they should need to 0:46:20.735 --> 0:46:24.695 check previous project history with clients or with contractors just 0:46:24.695 --> 0:46:27.335 to say a look. And particularly with us, it's pretty visual. 0:46:27.375 --> 0:46:29.495 You can see what's going on on the outside, so 0:46:29.535 --> 0:46:31.055 you can do some drive buys and have a look 0:46:31.055 --> 0:46:34.735 at the see if you've got some reference projects excuse 0:46:34.775 --> 0:46:38.215 me to look at, and that gives that additional surety 0:46:38.215 --> 0:46:41.255 because the expectation of visual you know, in terms of 0:46:41.295 --> 0:46:43.935 what you expect to see, you know, not from I 0:46:43.975 --> 0:46:46.695 mean we put up loads of projects on our social 0:46:46.735 --> 0:46:51.415 media and through Instagram, Facebook to show the work across 0:46:51.455 --> 0:46:54.375 the country and irrespective of whether you're in the Deep 0:46:54.415 --> 0:46:59.255 South or in the far North, those types of that's 0:46:59.335 --> 0:47:02.775 quality of work, in caliber of work you see should 0:47:02.775 --> 0:47:05.615 be an expectation, you know, and I think that's what 0:47:05.695 --> 0:47:07.655 people need to just have it. Just do some do 0:47:07.775 --> 0:47:11.535 some additional little checks before they actually engage the contracts, 0:47:11.575 --> 0:47:14.895 you know, because the old average peep there what you 0:47:14.935 --> 0:47:18.655 pay for and it doesn't take much sometimes to make 0:47:18.695 --> 0:47:20.495 an extra couple of phone calls or to do a 0:47:20.535 --> 0:47:21.815 bit of a drive buy and have a look at 0:47:21.815 --> 0:47:25.015 some project works and make your decisions from there as well. 0:47:25.095 --> 0:47:28.695 Yeah, brilliant advice and I mean impressive that you guys 0:47:28.695 --> 0:47:31.615 have set out a lot, well quite some time ago 0:47:31.735 --> 0:47:34.175 to go this is the pathway for us. And like 0:47:34.215 --> 0:47:36.135 you say, we're not selling our product out the door. 0:47:36.175 --> 0:47:38.415 It's got to go to a license applicators. We're going 0:47:38.455 --> 0:47:40.575 to work with those people to ensure that our clients 0:47:40.615 --> 0:47:44.855 get the very best outcome from their engagement with us. 0:47:44.855 --> 0:47:47.535 Which is great to find out more folks check it 0:47:47.575 --> 0:47:51.855 out online. Razineconstruction dot co dot NZ Mike, Happy Father's 0:47:51.935 --> 0:47:54.095 Day to you and enjoy the golf day today year 0:47:54.095 --> 0:47:57.535 with news talks, he'd be at a sixteen minutes after it's 0:47:57.575 --> 0:48:00.415 fourteen minutes after seven. The lines are open. The number 0:48:00.415 --> 0:48:03.415 to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that 0:48:03.535 --> 0:48:06.735 number to call. Number of texts about sort of planning 0:48:06.775 --> 0:48:12.935 regulations and new builds and infrastructure and so on. I 0:48:13.015 --> 0:48:15.575 made the comment about this development that I've been reading 0:48:15.615 --> 0:48:20.575 about in the Herald online, about the Green Bay development 0:48:20.575 --> 0:48:24.855 where eight new townhouses were being built in essentially a 0:48:24.935 --> 0:48:30.815 residential suburb, single dwelling or single houses per section type 0:48:31.175 --> 0:48:36.055 of subdivision, not terribly close to transport. And I made 0:48:36.055 --> 0:48:37.615 the point that I think that if we're going to 0:48:37.655 --> 0:48:42.375 do infrastructure increasing intensification, then we need to do it 0:48:42.415 --> 0:48:45.175 where there is the potential to then use public transport. 0:48:45.175 --> 0:48:46.935 And it's got to be easy, right, It's got to 0:48:46.935 --> 0:48:49.455 be a couple of minutes walk. Not No one's going 0:48:49.495 --> 0:48:51.375 to walk for fifteen minutes in the rain to catch 0:48:51.375 --> 0:48:53.375 a bus that then has to take you to another 0:48:53.415 --> 0:48:56.255 transport node in order to get to where you might 0:48:56.335 --> 0:49:00.895 want to go. But a couple of texts new build 0:49:00.975 --> 0:49:03.615 up the back. Don't joke. People don't use buses, they 0:49:03.615 --> 0:49:05.255 go and park on the yellow line, speed up and 0:49:05.295 --> 0:49:09.495 down the right of ways. Yeah, I think it's changing. 0:49:09.615 --> 0:49:12.095 I think it is a mind shift thing. And we're 0:49:12.135 --> 0:49:16.175 talking about ventilation as well. Ventilations critical in New Zealand's 0:49:16.215 --> 0:49:20.695 cheap and simple. Not so sure about that. In Europe 0:49:20.695 --> 0:49:22.695 they have for many years solved this issue due to 0:49:22.695 --> 0:49:25.375 their environment, and as usual n zeters behind the world 0:49:25.415 --> 0:49:28.455 and very slow to understand what is common sense. Thank 0:49:28.455 --> 0:49:30.735 you very much for that text. If you've got an opinion, 0:49:31.255 --> 0:49:33.615 eight hundred eighty eighty is the number to call. Doug. 0:49:33.655 --> 0:49:34.815 Thanks for waiting. Good morning to you. 0:49:36.055 --> 0:49:36.295 Thanks. 0:49:36.735 --> 0:49:39.215 Yeah, yeah, I listen to this a lot. It's very 0:49:39.335 --> 0:49:40.015 very interesting. 0:49:41.255 --> 0:49:42.415 Great of you to say, thank you. 0:49:43.495 --> 0:49:44.255 Yeah. 0:49:44.295 --> 0:49:47.455 So yeah, I do have the same issue about pungentation 0:49:47.575 --> 0:49:53.135 and moisture and things. We've got an older home, so 0:49:54.895 --> 0:49:58.735 heading towards the healthy homes, which we've done the policy 0:49:58.855 --> 0:50:02.495 on the ground and underneath the floor and well to 0:50:02.575 --> 0:50:07.975 carry on. And now we've stealed all the window. Obviously 0:50:08.015 --> 0:50:11.575 it's a wooden joinery window, so it was bottle of 0:50:11.655 --> 0:50:15.375 draft strips around windows, but it seems to be more 0:50:15.415 --> 0:50:18.215 we're more we're selling the envelope, the more moisture we're 0:50:18.215 --> 0:50:22.575 getting inside the property. Mm hmmm. So we've looked at 0:50:23.015 --> 0:50:26.415 like we've got a heat pump, dehumidifier, that sort of 0:50:26.415 --> 0:50:29.935 thing in the air. Now we're looking at maybe an 0:50:30.095 --> 0:50:39.375 hr V, but to to keep the property warm the HRV, 0:50:39.655 --> 0:50:42.895 now we've got concrete tolls on the roof with no 0:50:43.175 --> 0:50:47.735 paper underneath for the envelope and the ceiling which will 0:50:47.735 --> 0:50:53.815 be pumping and cold here. Yes, you know, like during 0:50:53.815 --> 0:50:54.175 the night. 0:50:55.975 --> 0:51:04.135 I have to say I've never really relied on if 0:51:04.175 --> 0:51:09.455 you look at it thermodynamics basically, and you go, what 0:51:09.535 --> 0:51:12.455 does it take to transfer heat from one area to another? 0:51:13.415 --> 0:51:19.735 And often doing so through almost zero thermal efficiency in 0:51:19.815 --> 0:51:23.415 deducting that we use in many cases and so on. 0:51:24.335 --> 0:51:29.575 It's never really stacked up for me. Right. So, while 0:51:29.615 --> 0:51:33.375 there is a huge benefit to having a ventilation system 0:51:33.455 --> 0:51:37.495 in the house the whole, unless there's it's a proper, 0:51:37.855 --> 0:51:42.095 properly installed heat recovery system, which is different to you know, 0:51:42.175 --> 0:51:46.855 drawing warm air from your roof space and distributing it around. 0:51:47.815 --> 0:51:49.775 I think you've got to be You've got to do 0:51:49.815 --> 0:51:52.375 quite a lot of reading about the claims and about 0:51:52.415 --> 0:51:56.815 the effectiveness of the systems, saying that I think you're 0:51:56.855 --> 0:51:59.655 onto something when you say, look, we've done some work 0:51:59.655 --> 0:52:02.215 to ensure that we don't get gaps and drafts around 0:52:02.295 --> 0:52:06.735 our windows. We've done as much installation as we possibly 0:52:06.775 --> 0:52:10.855 can so as we make our living environment more and 0:52:10.935 --> 0:52:14.335 more air tight. And I'm even hesitant to use that 0:52:14.375 --> 0:52:17.895 word because you know, like within passive house design and 0:52:18.055 --> 0:52:21.895 high performance buildings, that's something that you're aiming for and 0:52:22.255 --> 0:52:26.335 you're measuring it right. You're getting an actual, specific number 0:52:26.535 --> 0:52:29.335 that you can attach to your house that proves that 0:52:29.415 --> 0:52:33.095 it's actually air tight. And unless you're doing like a 0:52:33.095 --> 0:52:35.535 blower door test and those sorts of things, I don't 0:52:35.575 --> 0:52:37.935 think you should, really any of us should make claims 0:52:37.935 --> 0:52:41.695 around this building's airtight or moving towards air tightness without 0:52:41.695 --> 0:52:46.255 actually being able to prove it. So but in general, 0:52:46.415 --> 0:52:48.495 when you compare and I was talking about this with 0:52:48.935 --> 0:52:51.055 someone the other day, actually Storm, who's going to join 0:52:51.135 --> 0:52:52.455 us on the show in a couple of weeks time. 0:52:52.855 --> 0:52:58.775 So nineteen sixties construction timber framing, elevated timber subfloor with 0:52:58.855 --> 0:53:02.695 a concrete basement or concrete block wall as the foundation 0:53:03.015 --> 0:53:06.495 with very little ventilation right, couple of small grills. Then 0:53:06.535 --> 0:53:10.055 you've got timber framing, no insulation in the timber walls 0:53:10.175 --> 0:53:13.575 because of the age, no building paper on the outside, 0:53:14.575 --> 0:53:16.775 and then a cavity and then brickwork, so there's a 0:53:16.815 --> 0:53:20.615 lot of air flowing through that environment right through those. 0:53:21.335 --> 0:53:23.375 And then you've got a concrete tile roof which is 0:53:23.455 --> 0:53:28.135 probably sixty odd years old. So it means that all 0:53:28.215 --> 0:53:30.975 of the glaze has gone off there, and I suspect 0:53:30.975 --> 0:53:33.135 that every time it rains that roof is going to 0:53:33.175 --> 0:53:37.615 absorb moisture because it's not just sheeting off, right, So 0:53:37.815 --> 0:53:40.695 you go, that's my environment. Now what can I do 0:53:41.615 --> 0:53:44.735 without completely rebuilding the building? What can I do to 0:53:44.855 --> 0:53:48.055 change the indoor environment so that I've got less issue 0:53:48.055 --> 0:53:51.375 with mold? In that instance, you're kind of fighting a 0:53:51.415 --> 0:53:54.215 bit of a losing battle because there's so many other 0:53:54.255 --> 0:53:56.975 things that are wrong with the building that it's hard. 0:53:57.255 --> 0:53:59.415 You know, we're seeing the end result being the mold 0:53:59.495 --> 0:54:03.135 inside the house, but the reason for the mold is 0:54:03.175 --> 0:54:07.535 probably just the type of building that it is. But 0:54:07.615 --> 0:54:10.375 in your situation, if you've added insulation, if you've sorted 0:54:10.415 --> 0:54:13.535 out draft proofing. You've obviously got a fixed form of 0:54:13.575 --> 0:54:16.335 heating inside the house with the heat pump. You've added 0:54:16.375 --> 0:54:20.695 the dehumidifier, which will help to extract moisture from the air, 0:54:21.055 --> 0:54:24.575 but it does nothing about why that moisture is in 0:54:24.655 --> 0:54:29.135 the air. So you're you're you're responding to a problem 0:54:29.175 --> 0:54:33.975 without solving the problem because the dehumidifier, I guess solves 0:54:34.255 --> 0:54:36.895 the symptom, but it doesn't solve the problem. 0:54:37.215 --> 0:54:39.415 So that's part of the heat pump, you know, it's 0:54:39.415 --> 0:54:43.975 a three and one. Oh yeah, But then but then 0:54:44.015 --> 0:54:48.935 if yeah, people don't use the dehumidifier, and if they 0:54:48.935 --> 0:54:55.855 don't open windows to have circulation to dry the inside out, Yeah, 0:54:55.895 --> 0:54:57.855 that's where the issue is, isn't it. 0:54:57.895 --> 0:54:59.855 But then you know, with things like low during the 0:54:59.935 --> 0:55:00.775 day to dry out. 0:55:00.895 --> 0:55:04.375 Yeah, and look, I'm a huge fan and of you know, 0:55:04.455 --> 0:55:07.335 those really simple things like if it's a good day, 0:55:07.535 --> 0:55:12.015 like even yesterday, right, the weather got up to despite 0:55:12.055 --> 0:55:14.615 the rain that we had in Auckland, the temperature got 0:55:14.695 --> 0:55:17.375 up to a reasonable amount in the afternoon, so we 0:55:17.455 --> 0:55:20.775 open up the doors and just let the house breathe. 0:55:20.935 --> 0:55:23.175 But then you also, at a certain point you need 0:55:23.215 --> 0:55:26.775 to be aware and you go, actually, it's cooling down outside. 0:55:26.815 --> 0:55:29.095 So my house is warmed up a little bit during 0:55:29.135 --> 0:55:31.255 the day. I've ventilated it a little bit. I've got 0:55:31.255 --> 0:55:33.895 some fresh air into it, which is great. But now 0:55:34.175 --> 0:55:37.015 as I noticed that, I was walking past the window 0:55:37.015 --> 0:55:40.015 that was open, and suddenly it's a bit cooler. Okay, 0:55:40.135 --> 0:55:43.375 now's the time to close the window. Trap some of 0:55:43.415 --> 0:55:45.815 that heat that we've gained, because that's a benefit to 0:55:45.815 --> 0:55:47.375 me because then I don't have to put the heating 0:55:47.415 --> 0:55:50.535 on till later in the day or later at night. 0:55:51.695 --> 0:55:56.815 But if you're not actively engaged with controlling your environment 0:55:56.895 --> 0:55:59.895 by opening doors and windows, closing blinds and all those 0:55:59.935 --> 0:56:03.295 sorts of things, then it's not unreasonable to go, let's 0:56:03.295 --> 0:56:06.695 have a system that helps us control that environce and 0:56:06.695 --> 0:56:11.815 that's where ventilation systems, whether it's positive pressure, balance pressure, 0:56:11.895 --> 0:56:14.895 heat recovery ones. You know, we're starting to talk more 0:56:14.895 --> 0:56:17.095 and more about them, which I think is really really good, 0:56:17.535 --> 0:56:21.295 and there are some examples of like really good systems 0:56:21.295 --> 0:56:24.375 that are out there that will change the quality of 0:56:24.615 --> 0:56:31.335 the indoor environment considerably. But let's not delude ourselves. These 0:56:31.335 --> 0:56:34.055 systems at this stage are also quite expensive. 0:56:35.015 --> 0:56:38.655 Yeah, that's that's the thing. You know, it's everything you're doing, 0:56:38.735 --> 0:56:42.615 it's it's all cost it is. But then if people 0:56:42.655 --> 0:56:47.015 don't use that system, then you know, it's like a 0:56:47.055 --> 0:56:49.975 heat pump for instance, you know, like running the heat 0:56:49.975 --> 0:56:52.935 pump because of the cost of it. That's a thing. 0:56:52.975 --> 0:56:56.135 But it's just the basic things of opening a window 0:56:56.415 --> 0:57:02.415 or like you say, drapes and things when the sun 0:57:02.455 --> 0:57:04.095 does go down to keep that warming. 0:57:04.135 --> 0:57:09.615 That's right, yep. But these these things require they require 0:57:09.655 --> 0:57:11.935 a certain level of awareness right on the part of 0:57:12.135 --> 0:57:14.495 the occupant of the property, whether that's the owner of 0:57:14.495 --> 0:57:17.935 a property or a tenant living in a rented property. 0:57:18.815 --> 0:57:22.495 So it requires us to be informed right to know 0:57:22.775 --> 0:57:25.175 how to operate, you know, in the same way that 0:57:25.495 --> 0:57:27.015 I was going to say, we you know, you might 0:57:27.055 --> 0:57:29.015 read the ownership manual of a car. I don't think 0:57:29.015 --> 0:57:32.935 any of us ever do. But you know, houses do 0:57:33.175 --> 0:57:36.975 have a manual. Ideally this this is these are the 0:57:36.975 --> 0:57:39.175 things that you should be doing inside your house to 0:57:39.215 --> 0:57:43.255 create a really good environment. But I don't know that 0:57:43.295 --> 0:57:44.655 we're teaching that that much. 0:57:45.375 --> 0:57:47.255 So do we need to look at a different system? 0:57:47.335 --> 0:57:51.255 Do we look I think take the time again, I 0:57:51.615 --> 0:57:55.495 pointed out to Eric before the news, you know, like 0:57:55.575 --> 0:57:59.415 I've been reading well, because I'm an LVP, I get 0:57:59.455 --> 0:58:03.975 the brand's magazine, the build magazine, and you know, typically 0:58:03.975 --> 0:58:06.375 they arrive in the little box and you kind of 0:58:06.455 --> 0:58:09.695 it to one side, but I make the effort now 0:58:09.735 --> 0:58:12.255 to go when it arrives that I actually flick through 0:58:12.335 --> 0:58:15.375 and read some of the articles, and they're really topical 0:58:15.655 --> 0:58:20.575 and current. You can find articles from brands online as well, 0:58:21.015 --> 0:58:23.295 so just do a search one day when you've got 0:58:23.295 --> 0:58:26.415 an hour to spend and go through and read some 0:58:26.495 --> 0:58:29.495 of the brand's articles. There's other groups like the Healthy 0:58:29.535 --> 0:58:32.095 Home Movement. They're starting to write a lot about ventilation. 0:58:32.935 --> 0:58:35.175 My understanding is there's actually going to be like an 0:58:35.175 --> 0:58:38.015 industry lead lobby group that's being formed as well to 0:58:38.095 --> 0:58:41.895 talk about ventilation and just kind of wrap your head 0:58:42.055 --> 0:58:45.695 around the different concepts in terms of, you know, what's 0:58:45.695 --> 0:58:48.415 a negative PreCure system, what's a balanced pressure system, what's 0:58:48.415 --> 0:58:51.495 a positive pressure system, how do they all work, and 0:58:51.575 --> 0:58:54.775 what's going to work best for me? Because I think 0:58:54.895 --> 0:58:59.135 our housing stock is quite variable. You know, I'm in 0:58:59.175 --> 0:59:02.975 an old villa, so I've got lots of drafts in 0:59:03.055 --> 0:59:06.455 my house because that's just the nature of them. My 0:59:06.575 --> 0:59:08.735 solution is probably going to be a little bit different 0:59:08.855 --> 0:59:11.935 to perhaps a solution if I was in a relatively 0:59:12.015 --> 0:59:15.615 new build where I've got timber framing, I've got building wrap, 0:59:15.655 --> 0:59:18.535 i might have aluminium jewinery which is well sealed. I've 0:59:18.535 --> 0:59:21.055 got air seals around the windows. I've sealed all the 0:59:21.135 --> 0:59:25.775 penetrations for the different services. I might have roofing underlay, 0:59:25.935 --> 0:59:28.535 et cetera, et cetera. It's well insulated. I'm going to 0:59:28.615 --> 0:59:31.935 need a slightly different system than it for what I 0:59:32.015 --> 0:59:33.215 need for an older house. 0:59:33.895 --> 0:59:37.215 Mm hmm. You know this particular property exit that's got 0:59:37.255 --> 0:59:43.255 both that's got wooden jewinry and wooden sashism and plus 0:59:43.695 --> 0:59:49.495 the aluminium jewinery and they both, Yeah, the performance is 0:59:49.535 --> 0:59:52.415 exactly the same because it's not double glazed to see. 0:59:52.495 --> 0:59:54.135 So it's the other issue. 0:59:55.615 --> 0:59:55.815 Yeah. 0:59:55.855 --> 0:59:59.015 And then also the ceiling. We've got the ceiling with 0:59:59.135 --> 1:00:01.975 the overlay, you know it's got that's been topped up. Yes, 1:00:03.055 --> 1:00:07.935 But then we had a contractor in the you know, 1:00:07.975 --> 1:00:09.735 trying to find stuff underneath that. 1:00:10.455 --> 1:00:10.855 Yeah. 1:00:10.695 --> 1:00:15.655 I like, yeah, yeah, so Sack, you can't find anything. 1:00:15.695 --> 1:00:15.895 You know. 1:00:17.095 --> 1:00:22.495 The other thing to look at, Doug, is that some 1:00:22.615 --> 1:00:27.055 councils around the country. Hopefully all of the territorial authorities 1:00:27.855 --> 1:00:33.015 offer a Eco Design Advisor service, and I think the 1:00:33.095 --> 1:00:36.775 initial consultation is free, so have a look for that. 1:00:37.215 --> 1:00:39.855 In fact, I'm aware that their conference is coming up 1:00:39.895 --> 1:00:43.295 soon for the Eco Design Advisors. So you know, it's 1:00:43.335 --> 1:00:48.455 about trying to get impartial, informed advice about these issues. 1:00:48.935 --> 1:00:52.335 So you know, you've you've obviously decided that you want 1:00:52.335 --> 1:00:54.335 to try and figure out what's going to work best 1:00:54.375 --> 1:00:56.695 for your house, which is awesome, and now it's a 1:00:56.735 --> 1:00:59.095 question of okay, well where can I go to find 1:00:59.375 --> 1:01:03.255 ideally independent advice, So check it out online, have a 1:01:03.255 --> 1:01:06.935 look at whether your local council offers this Eco Design 1:01:07.095 --> 1:01:12.255 Advisors advice. All that's good, all of this, enjoyed the reading, 1:01:12.695 --> 1:01:16.335 Take care, Thanks horrible all this your news talks, they'd 1:01:16.375 --> 1:01:17.895 be we'd take a short break. We'll be back with 1:01:17.975 --> 1:01:19.655 Terry in a moment. If you'd like to join us. 1:01:19.975 --> 1:01:22.815 Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call 1:01:26.215 --> 1:01:29.335 your news talks. He'd be talking all things building and construction. 1:01:29.615 --> 1:01:31.975 Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Hello, Terry, 1:01:32.015 --> 1:01:32.455 how are you? 1:01:35.095 --> 1:01:35.335 Terry? 1:01:35.775 --> 1:01:36.655 Love you here? 1:01:37.095 --> 1:01:40.775 Can you hear me now I can indeed, Yeah. 1:01:40.575 --> 1:01:42.135 I love you, Shan, try and catch you in a 1:01:42.175 --> 1:01:48.735 rude every morning every Sunday we just call earliest. I've 1:01:48.775 --> 1:01:53.615 had a HIV put in my roof recently on the 1:01:53.655 --> 1:01:58.455 same situation as him sixties here spriptile roof and I'm 1:01:58.495 --> 1:02:02.455 surprised in no installation and no building paper in the roof, 1:02:02.695 --> 1:02:05.775 But I was surprised to find out how much heapy 1:02:05.935 --> 1:02:09.975 was in the which comes through and pushed down, as 1:02:10.455 --> 1:02:12.375 it was quite good just for that for him to 1:02:12.895 --> 1:02:16.295 give them the feedback that helps his decision or whatever. 1:02:17.495 --> 1:02:20.855 Again, you know, I mean I know that, you know, 1:02:20.935 --> 1:02:23.735 like I've got thermostats inside the house, so I can 1:02:23.775 --> 1:02:27.455 measure temperature inside the house and the hallway and temperature 1:02:27.495 --> 1:02:31.735 inside the roof space. And you know, during summer there 1:02:31.735 --> 1:02:37.015 can be a considerable variation between that, right as in 1:02:37.055 --> 1:02:41.335 my roof space it's a corrigodrone roof, it's you know, 1:02:41.775 --> 1:02:44.935 it would probably get close to forty degrees up there, 1:02:46.095 --> 1:02:48.735 and so you know the idea of capturing that and 1:02:48.775 --> 1:02:53.975 pushing it down, it's that what that variation in temperature 1:02:54.055 --> 1:02:57.215 is and what expectation you might have of how much 1:02:57.375 --> 1:03:01.655 that would raise the temperature inside the house, whereas I 1:03:01.695 --> 1:03:05.095 think the greater benefit is not really around heat gain, 1:03:05.255 --> 1:03:09.735 it's all about warming the house. It's probably, in my mind, 1:03:09.815 --> 1:03:15.375 more about the actual ventilation. And then there's there's systems 1:03:15.415 --> 1:03:19.295 now which will draw air from outside, pass it through 1:03:19.335 --> 1:03:24.495 a heat exchanger and then push that into dry areas 1:03:24.495 --> 1:03:27.495 of the house and extract from damp areas or wet 1:03:27.495 --> 1:03:31.295 areas of the house. They're also quite good systems, so 1:03:31.375 --> 1:03:34.095 that's a sort of balanced pressure type system. But look, 1:03:34.535 --> 1:03:38.735 I think the fact that we're starting to talk about them, 1:03:39.135 --> 1:03:42.055 I think that it should be something that should probably 1:03:42.135 --> 1:03:46.135 be included in updates to the New Zealand Building Code. 1:03:47.015 --> 1:03:49.575 That again, if we look at how we're building today, 1:03:50.175 --> 1:03:54.255 while we're not we're aiming for houses that are less drafty, 1:03:54.655 --> 1:03:58.695 we're still a long way from being air tight. You know. 1:03:59.095 --> 1:04:01.655 It is having an impact, all of the changes to 1:04:01.695 --> 1:04:04.575 the building code and how we build today versus how 1:04:04.575 --> 1:04:08.055 we even built thirty years ago, having a massive difference 1:04:08.095 --> 1:04:11.895 in terms of the indoor environment that we're able to create. 1:04:11.935 --> 1:04:13.575 But I think we need to focus a bit more 1:04:13.575 --> 1:04:14.575 on ventilation now. 1:04:16.255 --> 1:04:18.655 Yeah, you get to see something like that, I've been 1:04:19.015 --> 1:04:21.575 hanging around for quite a while before I made this decision, 1:04:21.575 --> 1:04:25.335 and I just couldn't find anything really that would do 1:04:25.455 --> 1:04:26.055 what I wanted. 1:04:26.335 --> 1:04:31.415 So how long have you installed the system? 1:04:31.575 --> 1:04:34.135 A couple of months so we hadn't seen the coldest 1:04:34.135 --> 1:04:38.695 all the winter, but even in the bedrooms sometimes at 1:04:38.775 --> 1:04:43.055 night the grandson would say, it's cold, and your grandad, 1:04:43.095 --> 1:04:46.855 but it just gets that condensation down. But you can, yep, 1:04:46.975 --> 1:04:48.975 it's like that. You can screw those vents closed a 1:04:48.975 --> 1:04:51.375 bit more of it was like that or something that's 1:04:51.415 --> 1:04:54.095 just on the see how west corner and that you 1:04:54.215 --> 1:04:56.495 get the condensation on the windows and running downd the 1:04:56.535 --> 1:04:58.375 walls where we're not getting that as much now. So 1:04:58.815 --> 1:05:01.455 we're not getting that now. So that was a positive. 1:05:01.895 --> 1:05:05.175 Yeah, absolutely, And I mean that's that's where it's kind 1:05:05.215 --> 1:05:08.295 of exciting when you make a change like this, right, 1:05:08.695 --> 1:05:11.375 and then you see a positive outcome. So if you're 1:05:11.375 --> 1:05:15.015 in a house where you know, persistently during winter you're 1:05:15.055 --> 1:05:18.375 either you know, drying the windows off because of the condensation, 1:05:18.855 --> 1:05:23.135 or you're constantly battling mold growth on walls and that 1:05:23.215 --> 1:05:26.015 sort of thing, or you put your shoes away and 1:05:26.055 --> 1:05:28.415 then you take them out in summertime and they're covered 1:05:28.415 --> 1:05:31.375 in sort of a furry green moss, you know, and 1:05:31.655 --> 1:05:34.495 I've seen that in wardrobes and so on. You know, 1:05:34.535 --> 1:05:37.495 if suddenly your house isn't doing that, it's those are 1:05:37.775 --> 1:05:40.295 it's it's the classic canary and a coal mine, right. 1:05:41.335 --> 1:05:44.775 They those are signs that there's something within your lived 1:05:44.855 --> 1:05:48.215 environment that's not working, and if you can solve those problems, 1:05:48.815 --> 1:05:53.215 that's a huge win. Yeah, so good on you. 1:05:53.415 --> 1:05:59.095 It sounds exciting just some of the people just when 1:05:59.135 --> 1:06:00.895 you get a good day, but I leave your wardrope 1:06:01.415 --> 1:06:04.815 war open because they leave them closed and love and 1:06:04.855 --> 1:06:06.135 they get snow and through there. 1:06:06.615 --> 1:06:13.055 That's right. It's that fascinating combination, combination and intersection between 1:06:13.695 --> 1:06:18.695 what's really simple and what's really complex. And often, you know, 1:06:19.055 --> 1:06:21.855 what seems like really complex issues can be dealt with 1:06:22.015 --> 1:06:26.735 quite simply. And so you know, it sounds so incredibly 1:06:28.375 --> 1:06:30.535 it's kind of the classic teaching grandmother that to suck 1:06:30.575 --> 1:06:32.895 eggs sort of comment. But yeah, if it's a good day, 1:06:33.215 --> 1:06:36.455 open your doors and windows, leat your house, breathe. There's 1:06:36.535 --> 1:06:37.455 nothing wrong with that. 1:06:39.175 --> 1:06:41.335 Yeah, yeah, that's great. 1:06:40.815 --> 1:06:43.655 Talking about your terry all the very best take mate, Then, 1:06:44.575 --> 1:06:46.975 now I'd better take a break. I think eight hundred 1:06:47.015 --> 1:06:49.175 eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you've 1:06:49.215 --> 1:06:51.815 got a question of a building nature call us right now, 1:06:52.055 --> 1:06:57.615 eight hundred eighty ten eighty you and new Talks. There'd 1:06:57.615 --> 1:07:00.615 be Pete wolf Camp with you talking all things building construction. 1:07:01.095 --> 1:07:03.575 Quick text before we talk to Kate. Pete, you've just 1:07:03.655 --> 1:07:06.215 made my mind up. We were debating whether to rec 1:07:06.295 --> 1:07:09.695 condition a nineteen fifties concrete tile roof. Will replace it 1:07:09.815 --> 1:07:12.975 after your comment's about the glazing coming off the tiles. 1:07:12.735 --> 1:07:16.335 Ours look like the surface of a cinder block and 1:07:16.375 --> 1:07:19.335 we do battle mold in the house when reroofing with 1:07:19.415 --> 1:07:22.295 color steel. Should the roof replace the valleys as well 1:07:22.335 --> 1:07:25.815 as they would be about seventy years old, and also 1:07:25.935 --> 1:07:27.895 ze point five to five thickness the heavy or a 1:07:27.935 --> 1:07:31.535 lighter gauge. Thanks very much, Nick, couple of things on that, 1:07:32.535 --> 1:07:35.615 Please don't mistrew my comment. My comment about the concrete 1:07:35.615 --> 1:07:39.095 tile roof was the fact that this particular one, it's 1:07:39.095 --> 1:07:42.295 the original roof from I think nineteen sixty seven something 1:07:42.335 --> 1:07:45.255 like that. So yeah, the glaze that's often on concrete 1:07:45.255 --> 1:07:48.975 tiles has i would say, almost completely worn off. So 1:07:49.095 --> 1:07:52.095 I'm thinking that, you know, if the concrete, if it's 1:07:52.095 --> 1:07:55.335 a sunny day, the concrete will dry out as soon 1:07:55.375 --> 1:07:58.055 as it rains, A certain amount of that moisture will 1:07:58.095 --> 1:08:01.095 not shed off the concrete tiles will be absorbed into 1:08:01.135 --> 1:08:03.815 the concrete. That's obviously going to have an impact on 1:08:04.095 --> 1:08:07.735 the overall internal environment of that that structure, because there's 1:08:07.775 --> 1:08:12.575 all that moisture being trapped there. So reglazing or repainting 1:08:12.615 --> 1:08:16.055 that roof would also solve that problem. If, however, you 1:08:16.135 --> 1:08:20.015 do want to go ahead and replace your existing concrete 1:08:20.055 --> 1:08:23.455 tile roof with a color steel roof for a long 1:08:23.495 --> 1:08:26.455 run iron roof, then go right ahead. I'd have to 1:08:26.455 --> 1:08:29.895 point out too that that typically requires a building consent, 1:08:31.055 --> 1:08:33.495 so you know, in terms of schedule one of the 1:08:33.495 --> 1:08:36.375 act it's about like forul like and a concrete tile 1:08:36.455 --> 1:08:40.935 roof is not the same as a lightweight roof, like 1:08:40.975 --> 1:08:44.135 an iron roof. And again initially when you think about that, 1:08:44.175 --> 1:08:46.055 you go, yeah, but it's lighter, so it's going to 1:08:46.055 --> 1:08:50.095 be less impact and it has less impact on the 1:08:50.095 --> 1:08:52.215 weight of the building, the bracing elements and that sort 1:08:52.255 --> 1:08:55.175 of thing, which is true, except that what you do 1:08:55.255 --> 1:08:59.015 need to account for with installing an iron roof as 1:08:59.055 --> 1:09:03.295 opposed to a concrete roof is uplift. So typically you 1:09:03.495 --> 1:09:06.095 want to make sure that your perlins will need to 1:09:06.095 --> 1:09:08.775 be replaced because the batons that you've got for the 1:09:08.815 --> 1:09:12.815 concrete tile won't work for fixing roofing iron two, so 1:09:12.855 --> 1:09:14.815 you'll need to repurl in it. They need to be 1:09:14.935 --> 1:09:16.815 fixed to the rafters in such a way as to 1:09:16.855 --> 1:09:20.615 prevent uplift, and ideally it's an opportunity to go through 1:09:20.695 --> 1:09:25.295 and refix all of the rafters or trusses down to 1:09:25.375 --> 1:09:29.095 the top plate also to prevent uplift. And those sorts 1:09:29.095 --> 1:09:31.895 of things are structural, so they'll trigger a requirement for 1:09:31.935 --> 1:09:34.975 a building consent should be a relatively straightforward process, but 1:09:35.415 --> 1:09:38.815 it does, in my opinion, trigger the requirement. And point 1:09:38.815 --> 1:09:41.135 five to five is the heavier gauge. So there's point 1:09:41.135 --> 1:09:44.855 four to five and point five to five, and I look, 1:09:45.535 --> 1:09:48.695 point four to five is absolutely fine. Typically I've gone 1:09:48.775 --> 1:09:52.815 for point five five because if somebody has to go 1:09:52.855 --> 1:09:54.615 on the roof later on and they're a bit of 1:09:54.615 --> 1:09:56.975 a muppet and they don't know where to stand, then 1:09:57.015 --> 1:10:01.695 there's a little less likelihood of them damaging the roofing. 1:10:02.095 --> 1:10:05.455 If they don't know what they're doing. Oh eight hundred 1:10:05.455 --> 1:10:06.855 and eighty. They shouldn't be u there if they don't 1:10:06.855 --> 1:10:08.855 know what they're doing. But hey, I've been on plenty 1:10:08.855 --> 1:10:11.255 of roofs where there's a lot of damage from contractors 1:10:11.295 --> 1:10:15.015 who have stomped around installing TV aeriels and vents and 1:10:15.095 --> 1:10:19.055 sky dishes and all the rest of it. So yeah, 1:10:19.175 --> 1:10:21.815 there are ways of moving around the roof without damaging it, 1:10:22.415 --> 1:10:24.495 but not everybody seems to know that. Oh eight one 1:10:24.535 --> 1:10:26.215 hundred and eighty, ten eighty is the number to call. 1:10:26.295 --> 1:10:27.735 Kate A very good morning. 1:10:28.375 --> 1:10:31.775 Morning, Pete, good morning, great be able to seek your 1:10:31.815 --> 1:10:35.415 advice yet again, your s You've been helping me countless times. 1:10:35.615 --> 1:10:39.255 I'm building a seventy three square meter dwelling in Browns Bay. 1:10:40.375 --> 1:10:43.775 It's north facing and west facing, and I think this 1:10:43.895 --> 1:10:48.015 is on topic because my electrician, we've just got the 1:10:48.095 --> 1:10:50.295 joists and bearers in frames are going up when the 1:10:50.335 --> 1:10:53.135 sub floor goes down next week, so we're on the way. Awesome, 1:10:53.175 --> 1:10:58.695 But electrician, yes it is. Electrician has advised considering heat 1:10:58.815 --> 1:11:01.735 transfer system. Now this has the front of the house 1:11:01.855 --> 1:11:04.935 with raged ceilings. It's to about sixteen degrees. I think 1:11:05.335 --> 1:11:07.975 the rear of the hoe has flat ceilings. I've got 1:11:08.055 --> 1:11:10.215 a gas fire in the front, and I might add 1:11:10.215 --> 1:11:12.975 a heat pump, and it's one big living area. And 1:11:12.975 --> 1:11:15.455 then I've got these two little bedrooms that I'm thinking, 1:11:15.495 --> 1:11:18.695 how am I going to heat them? And am I 1:11:18.735 --> 1:11:21.575 better just to put a panel heater in there? Or 1:11:22.015 --> 1:11:25.455 someone is this electrician suggests a heat transfer a system, 1:11:25.495 --> 1:11:28.135 but it doesn't have a big cavity in the ceiling 1:11:28.215 --> 1:11:32.615 because it's rap so I'd have to I assume pipe 1:11:32.655 --> 1:11:37.055 this and then and then put it through the wall 1:11:37.215 --> 1:11:39.815 into the room or does it go down loads is 1:11:39.855 --> 1:11:43.895 a wall cavity and I've got I've got noise bats 1:11:44.415 --> 1:11:46.375 through the wall, so it's well insulated. 1:11:46.455 --> 1:11:46.895 I think. 1:11:48.535 --> 1:11:49.415 ABC join. 1:11:49.735 --> 1:11:57.295 That's It's a fascinating question. I some of the heat 1:11:57.335 --> 1:12:03.415 transfer systems I'm I'm dubious about in the sense that, 1:12:03.575 --> 1:12:05.615 you know, one of the things that I've started come 1:12:05.655 --> 1:12:08.175 to real and the reading that I've been doing recently 1:12:08.255 --> 1:12:12.535 is air is a really good insulator, right, so air 1:12:12.655 --> 1:12:16.775 is a great way of stopping heat transfer, and yet 1:12:17.735 --> 1:12:24.215 we're talking about using air to transfer heat, which it 1:12:24.295 --> 1:12:27.135 doesn't want to do because it's really bad at doing it, 1:12:28.495 --> 1:12:31.775 and I'm being quite blunt here, so I think with 1:12:31.895 --> 1:12:35.815 a building like what you're building, you now have the 1:12:35.815 --> 1:12:39.735 perfect opportunity to do a really good job with the 1:12:39.775 --> 1:12:44.735 timber framing, a wrap around the outside, installing quality joinery, 1:12:45.935 --> 1:12:50.135 effective double glazing, air ceiling around the window, putting good 1:12:50.135 --> 1:12:54.095 insulation in the underfloor, putting good insulation into the ceiling. 1:12:55.095 --> 1:12:58.495 I don't know that heating is going to be a 1:12:58.535 --> 1:13:02.335 big issue in your dwelling. If you've got a fixed 1:13:02.335 --> 1:13:04.135 form of heating with a gas fire, as long as 1:13:04.175 --> 1:13:07.735 it's properly ventilated and doesn't cause moisture to build up 1:13:07.775 --> 1:13:12.575 inside there as a result of burning gas, then I 1:13:12.615 --> 1:13:16.215 think that you're your bigger concern for that type of 1:13:16.215 --> 1:13:20.215 building built to modern standard is probably going to be 1:13:20.535 --> 1:13:25.055 around overheating, depending on whether you've got eaves that shade 1:13:25.095 --> 1:13:29.015 some of the summer heat or whether you've got I 1:13:29.055 --> 1:13:32.335 would be focusing on ventilation, and I think for a 1:13:32.375 --> 1:13:34.375 small bedroom that might be on the south side of 1:13:34.375 --> 1:13:39.415 the house, double glazed, well insulated, well constructed a small 1:13:39.455 --> 1:13:42.455 panel heater just to raise the temperature there in the 1:13:42.495 --> 1:13:45.895 winter months for a relatively short period of time, give 1:13:45.935 --> 1:13:49.855 it and being this is very specific advice to your property, because, 1:13:50.255 --> 1:13:53.095 as you said, you're in Auckland, it's a new build, 1:13:53.775 --> 1:13:59.455 it's relatively compact. I think that ventilation, having a some 1:13:59.615 --> 1:14:05.215 form of ventilation that draws fresh air into or pushes 1:14:05.255 --> 1:14:09.375 fresh air into your living spaces and extracts moist air 1:14:09.455 --> 1:14:13.215 from where your kitchen, laundry and bathroom might be and 1:14:13.335 --> 1:14:16.375 ducts that to the outside. That's what I'd be focusing on. 1:14:17.535 --> 1:14:20.175 So you're speaking of basic extractor fans for. 1:14:20.735 --> 1:14:24.215 Year or possibly having a linked system, so a system 1:14:24.255 --> 1:14:28.175 that that So ideally what we're trying to do is 1:14:28.335 --> 1:14:33.735 create an airflow inside the house that pushes fresh, dry 1:14:33.935 --> 1:14:37.815 air or air from outside that might be filtered or 1:14:38.015 --> 1:14:41.535 cleansed in some way into your habitable spaces, right what 1:14:41.575 --> 1:14:44.255 we might call our dry areas. And then as that 1:14:44.415 --> 1:14:49.135 comes into the building, it then puts pressure on the 1:14:49.175 --> 1:14:52.655 wet areas. So imagine air flowing into your living room, 1:14:52.735 --> 1:14:55.335 possibly into your main bedroom and so on. And then 1:14:55.375 --> 1:14:59.015 at the same time you've got active extraction happening all 1:14:59.095 --> 1:15:02.095 of the time in those areas that typically we have 1:15:02.175 --> 1:15:07.615 more moisture in, so bathrooms, laundryes, kitchens, so as air 1:15:07.695 --> 1:15:10.375 is being drawn into the house into the dry areas, 1:15:10.495 --> 1:15:15.655 it's being extracted out of those wet areas, and so 1:15:15.775 --> 1:15:20.815 you've got this obviously invisible, constant movement of air that 1:15:20.935 --> 1:15:24.015 is drawing in fresh air and extracting moist air out 1:15:24.055 --> 1:15:25.575 of the building all of the time. 1:15:26.695 --> 1:15:29.975 That's the sort of system. Is that an HRV or 1:15:30.255 --> 1:15:31.655 DVS type system. 1:15:32.455 --> 1:15:32.695 Yeah. 1:15:32.975 --> 1:15:35.375 Look, you know, with the growst respect to them, they've 1:15:35.455 --> 1:15:39.015 they've kind of come to dominate the market. There are 1:15:39.095 --> 1:15:42.215 other systems by other manufacturers that are out there as well, 1:15:43.015 --> 1:15:47.615 and there is some subtlety around how all of these 1:15:47.655 --> 1:15:52.495 systems work. Not all of them have that combination of 1:15:52.815 --> 1:15:55.855 air in and air out. Air into a dry space, 1:15:55.975 --> 1:16:00.495 air out of a damp space. So you do do 1:16:00.575 --> 1:16:03.975 some reading around it. And you know, again I think 1:16:04.015 --> 1:16:06.735 your electricians onto something in terms of saying put some 1:16:06.855 --> 1:16:09.935 ventilation in. Again, I don't know that you're going to 1:16:09.935 --> 1:16:13.495 get massive benefit out of heat recovery or heat transfer. 1:16:13.895 --> 1:16:15.815 This notion that we're going to take warm air from 1:16:15.815 --> 1:16:18.255 one part of a house and duct it to another 1:16:18.255 --> 1:16:21.175 part of a house. You'll get airflow, which is a benefit. 1:16:21.295 --> 1:16:23.695 Whether you get actual heating out of that, I don't know. 1:16:23.895 --> 1:16:27.655 So the benefit for me would be the airflow. And 1:16:27.775 --> 1:16:30.775 you can deal in Auckland with a well inserted building 1:16:30.815 --> 1:16:33.375 with the heating quite simply by other means. 1:16:34.055 --> 1:16:36.615 Yeah, thank you. So if I decide later on I 1:16:36.615 --> 1:16:38.055 want to put a heat pump in, that can just 1:16:38.055 --> 1:16:40.335 be retrospectively installed. It doesn't have to go in. 1:16:41.935 --> 1:16:43.855 You could. But at the same time, I mean, if 1:16:43.855 --> 1:16:46.135 you're thinking about a heat pump and you know there's 1:16:46.135 --> 1:16:51.055 some real advantages to having one. For example, I think 1:16:51.175 --> 1:16:55.775 in particular again with Auckland's climate, a heat pump will 1:16:55.815 --> 1:16:58.335 be a benefit and asset to you in terms of 1:16:58.455 --> 1:17:02.655 cooling right over the summer months when we do get 1:17:02.695 --> 1:17:05.455 those days where the humidity gets up and it becomes 1:17:05.935 --> 1:17:11.175 kind of uncomfortable. So and again, because you've got to 1:17:11.215 --> 1:17:14.855 do penetrations and services, if you're thinking about doing one 1:17:14.855 --> 1:17:17.375 in the future, it's going to be far cheaper to 1:17:17.415 --> 1:17:21.815 do one now, okay if you can. I know budget 1:17:21.935 --> 1:17:24.615 is always important, but you know, given that you've got 1:17:24.615 --> 1:17:26.975 to run electrical cable, you've got to run ducting, you've 1:17:26.975 --> 1:17:30.135 got to run services to the outside condensate pipes and 1:17:30.135 --> 1:17:33.495 so on, it's far easier to do it as you're constructing. 1:17:33.575 --> 1:17:35.095 So oh that's good. 1:17:35.255 --> 1:17:38.575 Yeah, it's a false to be blunt. It's a false 1:17:38.615 --> 1:17:42.175 economy to think I'll do it later on. It will 1:17:42.255 --> 1:17:44.375 never be cheaper than doing it right now while you're building. 1:17:45.575 --> 1:17:48.095 Yeah, good, good advice. Can I add in one more 1:17:48.135 --> 1:17:51.735 question point about noise? So next door there's another dwelling 1:17:51.775 --> 1:17:54.135 and I've got people living next door who're very noisy 1:17:54.175 --> 1:17:58.215 with a car, and it's single blazing where that dwelling is. 1:17:58.215 --> 1:18:01.375 Is there anything I can do besides retrofits some double 1:18:01.375 --> 1:18:05.655 glazing to stop this noisy car coming into a bedroom 1:18:05.655 --> 1:18:08.015 at night. I just don't know what to do about it. 1:18:08.175 --> 1:18:11.055 This is obviously not in the new seventy three square. 1:18:11.095 --> 1:18:13.575 At a new build the same section. 1:18:13.775 --> 1:18:19.655 Just you know, you can get more acoustically effective glazing, 1:18:19.895 --> 1:18:23.215 so whether that's double glazing or simply going for a laminate, 1:18:24.855 --> 1:18:28.095 So you'll get acoustic performance out of a laminate as well, 1:18:28.135 --> 1:18:31.015 so glass then a laminated layer and then another layer 1:18:31.095 --> 1:18:34.695 of glass. Certainly you can get acoustic performance out of 1:18:34.695 --> 1:18:39.135 double glazing as well, So there's two options there really. 1:18:39.215 --> 1:18:41.215 But then you know, as soon as you stop the 1:18:41.255 --> 1:18:44.815 sound traveling through the glazing, it'll find somewhere else to go, 1:18:44.895 --> 1:18:47.935 so it'll migrate through the walls, it'll go and gaps 1:18:47.975 --> 1:18:50.415 and cracks around the window, joinery, et cetera, et cetera. 1:18:51.135 --> 1:18:54.535 The other mitigating factor is sometimes actually planting can be 1:18:54.615 --> 1:18:58.455 reasonably well, can do something to sort of baffle noise 1:18:58.495 --> 1:19:04.775 from a neighbor, but ideally you'd want to. Ideally you'd 1:19:04.775 --> 1:19:07.135 be pulling wall lining off, putting in a houstic insulation 1:19:07.215 --> 1:19:09.415 into the walls, sealing all the gaps and cracks around 1:19:09.455 --> 1:19:13.175 the joinery, and uplade, upgrading the glazing and that will 1:19:13.175 --> 1:19:18.295 help as well. But planting is surprisingly effective as well. 1:19:19.575 --> 1:19:23.255 It's a parking area, so it can't but thank. 1:19:23.095 --> 1:19:25.735 You, right, yeah, but even if you've got like half 1:19:25.775 --> 1:19:27.975 a meter or so and you were to do you know, 1:19:28.015 --> 1:19:32.775 some planting in there, that would Okay, it's not unattractive either. 1:19:34.495 --> 1:19:38.335 Enjoy the process and thank you. I know that building 1:19:38.455 --> 1:19:40.535 can be stressful and all the rest of it, but 1:19:40.615 --> 1:19:43.215 at the same time, enjoy it. I'm sure it will 1:19:43.255 --> 1:19:44.295 be a great process. 1:19:45.015 --> 1:19:48.095 I have a great team and that's the key. 1:19:48.215 --> 1:19:49.095 That's the key. 1:19:49.295 --> 1:19:51.215 Fabulous, I'm sure. 1:19:52.695 --> 1:19:55.295 Pleasure your father's day. 1:19:55.295 --> 1:19:57.695 Thank you very much, Kate, and thank you all the 1:19:57.735 --> 1:19:59.855 this bye by thing. We'll take short break back in 1:19:59.895 --> 1:20:04.255 a moment quick text before the news, Pete, can you 1:20:04.295 --> 1:20:06.735 advise do I need a council consent to remove garage 1:20:06.775 --> 1:20:10.575 store and fit a ranch slider from D I suspect so, 1:20:10.775 --> 1:20:13.495 because I suspect that what you're doing is change of use. 1:20:14.335 --> 1:20:16.855 I that's going to become instead of a garage, a 1:20:16.895 --> 1:20:20.575 habitable space. And if that is the case, then yes, 1:20:20.655 --> 1:20:24.215 that triggers a requirement for a change of use. So 1:20:24.495 --> 1:20:27.735 check that out with your local council. A couple more 1:20:27.775 --> 1:20:30.655 texts will come to those straight after the break. Lots 1:20:30.655 --> 1:20:33.615 of discussion around heat pumps and ventilation, so we'll carry 1:20:33.615 --> 1:20:36.375 on with that and remember rid cliin past in with 1:20:36.535 --> 1:20:42.735 us at eight thirty your news talk CB, Welcome back 1:20:42.735 --> 1:20:45.015 to the program. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty 1:20:45.095 --> 1:20:46.975 is the number to call pet Wolf camp here right 1:20:47.015 --> 1:20:50.335 through till nine o'clock. We can jump into the garden 1:20:50.375 --> 1:20:53.695 with arid Cline pass at around eight point thirty. We 1:20:53.735 --> 1:20:57.015 may even bring that forward because we got a bit 1:20:57.055 --> 1:21:02.375 to talk about today. So last week on the program, 1:21:03.695 --> 1:21:06.415 over the last little while, we've talked about this population 1:21:06.495 --> 1:21:09.095 of barn owls right, which has become native to Northland 1:21:09.095 --> 1:21:11.935 and migrating their way south, which is caused a great 1:21:11.935 --> 1:21:15.935 deal of excitement and our household for some reason, and 1:21:16.495 --> 1:21:18.775 ages ago, I said to look, do you have a 1:21:18.815 --> 1:21:23.135 plan for an owl box, as in somewhere for them 1:21:23.175 --> 1:21:25.335 to call home? And he did. He sent me through 1:21:25.335 --> 1:21:27.415 some plans. I've mentioned it a couple of times, never 1:21:27.455 --> 1:21:29.495 got round to actually making one, and I promised on 1:21:29.535 --> 1:21:31.735 the show last week that I would make one this week, 1:21:31.775 --> 1:21:34.975 which I've done, and in fact I ended up making 1:21:35.015 --> 1:21:37.335 two because he sent me two different drawings, one for 1:21:37.455 --> 1:21:42.095 a Dutch design which is elongated and rather spacious, and 1:21:42.135 --> 1:21:46.895 another one for an English design which is slightly more compact, 1:21:47.255 --> 1:21:50.575 but interestingly enough two storied. So I've got a single 1:21:50.655 --> 1:21:54.055 level dwelling and a multi story dwelling, and I have 1:21:54.135 --> 1:21:56.735 one with a door and one with a detachable roof, 1:21:57.455 --> 1:22:00.655 one with a tunnel, and one with offset entries, because 1:22:00.655 --> 1:22:03.735 it's all about apparently making sure that the environment is 1:22:03.895 --> 1:22:07.535 dark and cozy for them. Two ways to achieve that. 1:22:07.615 --> 1:22:10.815 One way is having these two entries that are offset 1:22:10.895 --> 1:22:12.575 so that the light can't shine through. The other is 1:22:12.615 --> 1:22:16.615 to create a tunnel. Anyway, I've built both of them 1:22:16.735 --> 1:22:18.935 and spilt some blood in the process, but that's another 1:22:18.975 --> 1:22:21.735 story anyway. So we're going to talk about those, and 1:22:21.975 --> 1:22:24.055 if you're interested to see one of them, it's up 1:22:24.095 --> 1:22:26.695 on my Facebook page. I will put up a slightly 1:22:26.775 --> 1:22:29.255 more detailed post about that a little bit later on 1:22:29.335 --> 1:22:32.055 today as well, So we will be talking about that 1:22:32.055 --> 1:22:33.775 with it. But if you'd like to build something that 1:22:33.895 --> 1:22:36.055 humans can live in and you'd like to talk about that, 1:22:36.135 --> 1:22:38.375 then the lines are open right now. Oh, eight hundred 1:22:38.415 --> 1:22:41.015 and eighty ten eighty. A lot of talk this morning 1:22:41.095 --> 1:22:45.975 about ventilation, about heat pumps, about heat recovery system about 1:22:45.975 --> 1:22:53.535 heat transfer systems, and trying to suppose upgrade the code 1:22:53.695 --> 1:22:56.095 to allow for this. It's not required in the code 1:22:56.135 --> 1:23:00.335 bar the requirement to ventilate, which is having a window 1:23:00.375 --> 1:23:04.135 that opens, a window that can open or the opening 1:23:04.135 --> 1:23:07.695 size must be five percent of the floor space. But 1:23:07.735 --> 1:23:11.895 there's a problem with that as well. So typically if 1:23:11.895 --> 1:23:15.175 you've got a room and it's let's say it's a 1:23:15.215 --> 1:23:17.575 ten square meter room, then you have to have a 1:23:17.695 --> 1:23:21.815 window that opens once that half a met half a 1:23:21.815 --> 1:23:25.855 square meter opening. But then you find that that opening 1:23:25.895 --> 1:23:29.375 size is calculated on the window opening completely, but if 1:23:29.455 --> 1:23:32.095 you can fall further than a meter in the threshold 1:23:32.175 --> 1:23:34.175 is less than seven sixty you have to have a 1:23:34.175 --> 1:23:37.335 restrict stay. So you have a window that technically complies 1:23:37.335 --> 1:23:39.855 with the ventilation standards, but because you can't open the 1:23:39.855 --> 1:23:44.215 window completely, in fact your ventilation area is considerably less, 1:23:44.335 --> 1:23:46.455 so it doesn't It then doesn't comply, but it does 1:23:46.495 --> 1:23:49.055 comply with other parts of the building Code. There is 1:23:49.095 --> 1:23:54.855 some overlap there which is not helpful. But apart from 1:23:55.095 --> 1:24:01.095 extraction from laundries, kitchens, bathrooms, no, you don't even need 1:24:01.095 --> 1:24:04.455 extraction from a laundry necessarily, but you do need ventilation. 1:24:05.455 --> 1:24:08.615 There's no other record for ventilation. We're talking about houses 1:24:08.615 --> 1:24:12.935 that are increasingly as we build better moving towards air tightness, 1:24:13.015 --> 1:24:16.855 and so the requirement to bring in fresh air and 1:24:17.655 --> 1:24:21.375 control moisture inside the building. I think it's more and 1:24:21.415 --> 1:24:26.215 more critical. Hence ventilation systems, active ventilation systems that can 1:24:26.255 --> 1:24:28.615 be installed. We've had lots of discussion about that, and 1:24:28.655 --> 1:24:31.135 a bit about planning as well. It's always a bit 1:24:31.135 --> 1:24:33.135 of a contentious issue. A couple of people of text 1:24:33.175 --> 1:24:34.975 and we were talking about a story that was in 1:24:35.015 --> 1:24:39.615 The Herald earlier this week. Written by Bernard Oorsman about 1:24:40.415 --> 1:24:45.335 a homeowner in Green Bay who was shocked, surprised, and 1:24:45.455 --> 1:24:50.415 upset that council had allowed for a development occurring across 1:24:50.455 --> 1:24:56.015 the road to then drill underneath the road down their driveway, 1:24:56.135 --> 1:25:01.175 install a new manhole to provide access to the wastebaterlone 1:25:01.215 --> 1:25:04.175 which happened to be pretty much right outside their front door. 1:25:06.895 --> 1:25:12.135 No contact and certainly no permission requested or given by 1:25:12.175 --> 1:25:15.375 the homeowner for this to happen, And all of this 1:25:15.615 --> 1:25:19.535 requirement for additional stormwater connection came from the fact that 1:25:19.575 --> 1:25:22.255 a single dwelling across the road on a corner site 1:25:22.535 --> 1:25:26.615 had been removed and councilord granted permission for eight townhouses 1:25:26.655 --> 1:25:29.535 to go on an eight hundred and twelve square meter 1:25:29.695 --> 1:25:33.655 site in a effectively a suburban street. You may have 1:25:33.695 --> 1:25:35.855 a comment on that as well. Oh eight hundred eighty 1:25:35.935 --> 1:25:39.175 ten eighty is the number to call a couple of 1:25:39.215 --> 1:25:43.455 quick texts on this morning peak question for you, as 1:25:43.575 --> 1:25:46.295 we want to do both. If you had to decide 1:25:46.335 --> 1:25:48.895 which to do first, between a heat pump and a 1:25:48.935 --> 1:25:52.815 home ventilation system, which one would you do first? From 1:25:52.895 --> 1:25:58.375 grant grant, I would not answer that without asking a 1:25:58.415 --> 1:26:02.935 whole bunch of other questions, things like you know, what's 1:26:02.975 --> 1:26:06.695 your house constructed of and whereabouts are you So if 1:26:06.735 --> 1:26:11.455 it's an older house that's got, like my old house, 1:26:11.815 --> 1:26:14.375 very little in the way of draft proofing, and I've 1:26:14.415 --> 1:26:16.975 tried to insulate and so on, but it's still a 1:26:17.135 --> 1:26:20.215 drafty kind of house, then I would be looking at 1:26:20.255 --> 1:26:24.055 a different type of ventilation system and maybe a different 1:26:24.055 --> 1:26:27.935 type of heating system. So I think it's really about 1:26:28.215 --> 1:26:32.295 having someone do an assessment of your house. It's construction, 1:26:32.455 --> 1:26:37.255 it's methodology, it's standards in terms of either air tightness 1:26:37.335 --> 1:26:40.895 or insulation or location is another big thing. If you're 1:26:40.935 --> 1:26:44.015 in the South Island and it's really cold, versus if 1:26:44.015 --> 1:26:47.735 you're in the far North where perhaps like Auckland, for example, 1:26:49.415 --> 1:26:52.055 So much of our focus has been on making our 1:26:52.055 --> 1:26:55.335 houses warmer, which is good. Our houses need to be 1:26:55.415 --> 1:26:58.695 at a temperature that allows us to be healthy. But 1:26:58.815 --> 1:27:02.135 for example, in Auckland, we have more cooling days than 1:27:02.175 --> 1:27:07.855 we do have heating days. In general, if what we're 1:27:07.855 --> 1:27:10.495 looking for is an optimum of let's say twenty degrees, 1:27:11.135 --> 1:27:14.655 that's an optimum temperature for our houses to be. Typically 1:27:14.695 --> 1:27:17.375 in Auckland, we have more days where we need to 1:27:17.455 --> 1:27:20.135 cool our houses to achieve twenty degrees than we do 1:27:20.215 --> 1:27:23.375 have days where we need to heat our houses in 1:27:23.455 --> 1:27:27.815 order to achieve twenty degrees. So if you're in Auckland, 1:27:27.855 --> 1:27:31.095 the focus is probably going to be on heat control 1:27:31.735 --> 1:27:36.815 and potentially cooling for comfort rather than necessarily heating. Now 1:27:36.815 --> 1:27:39.375 that flips over, of course if you're in parts of 1:27:39.375 --> 1:27:42.095 the South Island or Central North Island and so on. 1:27:42.335 --> 1:27:46.815 That's why we've got these very specific climatic zones as 1:27:46.855 --> 1:27:50.015 part of the building code now, so all of these 1:27:50.095 --> 1:27:55.215 questions have got to be responsive to the actual environment. 1:27:55.575 --> 1:27:57.815 I eight hundred eighty ten eighty gives called out. We're 1:27:57.815 --> 1:27:59.975 talking to it at around eight thirty, but we've got 1:27:59.975 --> 1:28:02.975 time for your building questions right now. I eight hundred 1:28:03.095 --> 1:28:08.095 eighty ten eighty something use forgot to mention or I'm 1:28:08.135 --> 1:28:11.295 late to the party in terms of this is a 1:28:11.375 --> 1:28:15.535 tool issue. So for a number of years now, I've 1:28:15.575 --> 1:28:19.695 watched tradees arrive and unpack their track saws to do 1:28:19.775 --> 1:28:22.375 all sorts of work, whether it's cutting sheets or bench 1:28:22.455 --> 1:28:24.735 tops or that sort of thing, and I've kind of 1:28:25.215 --> 1:28:27.135 to be blunt, I've kind of poop pooed it a 1:28:27.135 --> 1:28:30.415 little bit, you know, as in, look, i've got a 1:28:30.415 --> 1:28:32.095 straight edge, I can clamp it down, i can run 1:28:32.135 --> 1:28:35.015 the skill saw along, I've got a table saw. Or 1:28:35.095 --> 1:28:36.975 basically you should just be better at what you do 1:28:37.055 --> 1:28:40.455 and be able to cut a straight line. And then 1:28:41.615 --> 1:28:43.815 a little while ago, the guys that dropped me off 1:28:44.255 --> 1:28:46.775 their track saw, which is fairly new for them. And 1:28:46.815 --> 1:28:49.655 so these little ol boxes that I've been building, which 1:28:51.655 --> 1:28:53.855 you will not be surprised, I'm delighted to the fact 1:28:53.855 --> 1:28:56.335 that I didn't have to spend a cent building them 1:28:56.375 --> 1:28:59.295 because I had off cuts of plywood and stuff like 1:28:59.335 --> 1:29:02.015 that made the whole thing using track saw. All of 1:29:02.015 --> 1:29:04.695 the angles, all of the cuts, everything for these little 1:29:04.735 --> 1:29:07.895 olboxes all done with a track and I kind of go, 1:29:09.135 --> 1:29:12.535 why didn't I get onto this earlier? So if you're wondering, yes, 1:29:12.575 --> 1:29:16.855 they are actually incredibly useful and I've really really enjoyed 1:29:16.935 --> 1:29:19.535 using it, which has been a bit of an earth 1:29:19.615 --> 1:29:22.415 shift moment for me. I have to say, right, oh, 1:29:22.495 --> 1:29:24.335 eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to 1:29:24.375 --> 1:29:25.095 call Veronica. 1:29:25.255 --> 1:29:29.215 Greetings, good morning, Pete. How are you heaven by this day? 1:29:29.295 --> 1:29:31.335 Thank you very much God. 1:29:31.655 --> 1:29:34.055 I have a question because you're talking about our ventilation. 1:29:34.375 --> 1:29:38.335 We've got an a frame house, yes, that has no 1:29:38.455 --> 1:29:40.935 roof cavity, so it's right down to the ground as 1:29:41.215 --> 1:29:44.855 an a frame, and we're giving condensation insight, and we 1:29:44.975 --> 1:29:47.455 literally don't know what to do anymore because nobody seems 1:29:47.495 --> 1:29:50.375 to be able to help us in terms of a 1:29:50.495 --> 1:29:54.415 ventilation system or some ideas, and just wondering if you 1:29:54.455 --> 1:29:54.895 can help. 1:29:55.535 --> 1:29:57.775 Yeah, I mean, look, I can see why it's slightly 1:29:57.815 --> 1:30:00.575 more challenging because typically what we do is we you know, 1:30:00.695 --> 1:30:02.735 and houses. We've got a trust roof. It gives us 1:30:02.735 --> 1:30:05.455 a great big triangle of space and we put all 1:30:05.455 --> 1:30:08.095 of our ventilation systems in there. And you don't have 1:30:08.135 --> 1:30:13.135 that opportunity saying that, There are in wall ventilation systems 1:30:14.055 --> 1:30:16.855 that you can get, and there are some systems which 1:30:16.975 --> 1:30:19.975 are connected. So for example, at either end of the 1:30:20.015 --> 1:30:24.375 building where you've got your walls, you could add an 1:30:24.455 --> 1:30:28.415 integrated system there that talks to each other, so it 1:30:28.655 --> 1:30:34.575 monitors airflow and humidity and changes air coming in and 1:30:34.615 --> 1:30:40.455 going out, so air exchanges in a linked and controllable 1:30:40.535 --> 1:30:43.775 manner through those walls at either end of the building. 1:30:44.055 --> 1:30:49.415 Potentially you could in fact install ventilation through the roof effectively, 1:30:49.455 --> 1:30:52.895 which is your walls as well of a system there. 1:30:53.455 --> 1:30:58.215 The other thing is, so airflow is part of controlling condensation. 1:30:58.535 --> 1:31:01.655 The other thing is I guess it'll also come down 1:31:01.655 --> 1:31:04.015 to because I'm guessing with an a frame house, you 1:31:04.135 --> 1:31:07.295 basically got windows at both ends, a lot on the 1:31:07.455 --> 1:31:08.255 roof section. 1:31:09.495 --> 1:31:12.375 Yes, because the roof goes right down to the ground. 1:31:12.495 --> 1:31:16.695 So do you have any any penetration through that, dormers 1:31:16.815 --> 1:31:19.935 or anything like that. 1:31:22.415 --> 1:31:25.175 We've got windows. We've got a window in the kitchen, 1:31:26.335 --> 1:31:29.375 so the kitchen sort of in the middle. We have 1:31:29.455 --> 1:31:32.575 windows at the two bedrooms on the side, in the 1:31:32.575 --> 1:31:34.655 bathroom at the back, and then we've got a big 1:31:34.735 --> 1:31:37.735 runch larder at the front, and that is where most 1:31:37.735 --> 1:31:41.895 of the condensation lies. And we've got big windows up 1:31:41.935 --> 1:31:45.575 above it that have got no curtains or anything like that, 1:31:45.655 --> 1:31:48.135 and they're really hype. They can't reach them. I think 1:31:48.175 --> 1:31:53.175 someone measured to the top of about eight and a half. 1:31:55.135 --> 1:31:56.055 It's a huge space. 1:31:56.695 --> 1:31:59.455 Yeah, I mean, look, one of the things obviously would 1:31:59.455 --> 1:32:02.575 be to look at double glazing. That if it's single glazed, 1:32:02.655 --> 1:32:06.295 you're going to get more likelihood of having condensation because 1:32:06.655 --> 1:32:09.455 the due point will end up on the inside of 1:32:09.495 --> 1:32:12.095 the glass and that that's where you're getting a condensation. 1:32:13.095 --> 1:32:15.575 Even if you put double glazing in, which would help, 1:32:16.735 --> 1:32:19.655 then you'd also want to look at ventilation. You'd want 1:32:19.655 --> 1:32:24.095 to look at temperature control inside the house. Again. You know, 1:32:24.175 --> 1:32:26.455 I wonder whether in this instance here where you're trying, 1:32:26.775 --> 1:32:30.895 you're looking at sort of an integrated system of fairly 1:32:30.935 --> 1:32:33.415 complex issues, right and you're trying to find a pathway 1:32:33.455 --> 1:32:35.935 through that is have a look at the eco design 1:32:36.055 --> 1:32:39.815 service that counsels offer. And the other option is to 1:32:39.855 --> 1:32:45.055 look at the New Zealand Green Building Council have home 1:32:45.135 --> 1:32:49.815 Star technicians or home Star assesses as well, again who 1:32:49.855 --> 1:32:52.655 are kind of experts in this field, and you could 1:32:52.695 --> 1:32:54.775 invite one of them to come and do an assessment 1:32:54.815 --> 1:32:59.135 of your property and give you some independent advice. Okay, 1:32:59.335 --> 1:33:01.855 all right, so check out those when. 1:33:01.735 --> 1:33:04.615 You asked, when you're saying about the double glazing, is 1:33:04.615 --> 1:33:10.895 double blazing triple glazing? Is there any advantage or I think. 1:33:10.735 --> 1:33:14.895 In the most instances you can achieve the performance with 1:33:15.095 --> 1:33:18.455 double glazing like low eglass and argon filled glass and 1:33:18.455 --> 1:33:20.895 that sort of thing that you would get in most 1:33:21.015 --> 1:33:25.215 instances that you know, like triple glazing obviously sounds better, 1:33:25.335 --> 1:33:28.335 but you can achieve almost all of it with double 1:33:28.335 --> 1:33:31.095 glazing in most situations. So I presume you're not in 1:33:31.095 --> 1:33:33.055 the south lower part of the South Island or the 1:33:33.095 --> 1:33:34.055 central North Island. 1:33:34.855 --> 1:33:38.255 No, no bere on White Island. 1:33:36.455 --> 1:33:42.095 So yeah, but it's you know, relatively benign climate, right, 1:33:42.135 --> 1:33:44.055 that's why you guys live on why Heck, because it's 1:33:44.135 --> 1:33:46.375 it's always a degree and a half warmer than Auckland, 1:33:46.375 --> 1:33:50.255 for example. So no, look, I think having a look 1:33:50.295 --> 1:33:52.575 at double glazing. But you know, I know Auckland Council 1:33:52.695 --> 1:33:56.015 do have an Eco Design advisor, and certainly there's plenty 1:33:56.055 --> 1:34:00.335 of home Star rated assesses in Auckland as well that 1:34:00.375 --> 1:34:06.295 you could call on. So much my pleasure, take care 1:34:06.575 --> 1:34:13.655 and Michael, greetings to you. Hey Michael, Hello, Michael, Michael 1:34:14.015 --> 1:34:19.615 Earth calling Michael. He wandered off me thinks hello, someone's 1:34:19.615 --> 1:34:22.095 listening to the radio going come on, you rang this 1:34:22.135 --> 1:34:25.055 guy up and now you've wandered off. We might come 1:34:25.055 --> 1:34:26.815 back to that in just a moment. Oh eight hundred 1:34:26.815 --> 1:34:29.735 and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Someone's 1:34:29.735 --> 1:34:32.415 asked me my opinion on solar systems. Look, I think 1:34:32.415 --> 1:34:35.415 there's a huge benefit to going solar in terms of 1:34:36.455 --> 1:34:39.655 resilience if the grid does go down, and I mean, look, 1:34:39.655 --> 1:34:42.255 we're in an energy crisis right at the moment, so 1:34:42.295 --> 1:34:44.175 if you can provide your own power, there's got to 1:34:44.175 --> 1:34:49.495 be an advantage. And I think what's shifted for me 1:34:49.855 --> 1:34:53.095 most dramatically with solar, because it's something I've kind of 1:34:53.135 --> 1:34:56.215 been aware of obviously for a number of years, is 1:34:56.335 --> 1:35:00.615 around the reliability. So I think it's not untrue to 1:35:00.655 --> 1:35:03.975 say that, let's say fifteen twenty years ago, you'd install 1:35:03.975 --> 1:35:07.055 a solar system, you'd have the upfront col with the 1:35:07.095 --> 1:35:09.295 idea that there would be a payback, so after a 1:35:09.295 --> 1:35:12.295 period of time, the savings on your power bill would 1:35:12.335 --> 1:35:16.735 have paid for the install cost of the solar system. 1:35:17.295 --> 1:35:21.175 And to be blunt, typically that was take seven or 1:35:21.175 --> 1:35:23.455 eight years of savings to pay back for the system. 1:35:23.695 --> 1:35:25.415 But by that time the system was at the end 1:35:25.415 --> 1:35:28.655 of its lifespan. So there's no advantage really to doing that, 1:35:29.295 --> 1:35:32.215 whereas now, and I know life for solar for example, 1:35:32.295 --> 1:35:35.295 you know they're doing a twenty five year warranty on 1:35:35.375 --> 1:35:38.495 the panels. That's remarkable, and I know from having been 1:35:38.495 --> 1:35:41.215 involved with the installation of other systems, and that one 1:35:41.335 --> 1:35:44.375 and also that one that you know, the effectiveness is 1:35:44.455 --> 1:35:48.095 far greater as well. So yeah, I think it's something 1:35:48.135 --> 1:35:51.375 to seriously seriously consider. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty 1:35:51.375 --> 1:35:55.775 the number to caour. We'll try Michael one more time. Hello, Michael, Hello, 1:35:56.015 --> 1:35:57.135 Hello there gotcha. 1:35:58.735 --> 1:35:59.055 Hello. 1:35:59.495 --> 1:36:06.175 I want to say Happy Father's Day from your son, Joseph. 1:36:06.535 --> 1:36:10.495 Fantastic. All right, very clever, very clever. Thank you mate. 1:36:10.655 --> 1:36:15.055 It's a pleasure. All right, I'll see soon. All right, 1:36:15.215 --> 1:36:18.935 take care. Right, we're going to be talking to Rid 1:36:18.975 --> 1:36:21.455 climb past and just a moment, if you've got a 1:36:21.535 --> 1:36:24.975 question for Ridd. If we're going to jump into the garden, 1:36:25.015 --> 1:36:27.295 we're going to talk all things gardening. He's been busy 1:36:27.295 --> 1:36:30.015 in the garden. I've been busy in the workshop. We'll 1:36:30.015 --> 1:36:32.495 talk to Rudd in just a moment. Oh, eight hundred 1:36:32.615 --> 1:36:34.815 eighty ten eighty. If you'd like to join us, it 1:36:34.935 --> 1:36:40.175 is eight twenty five your news talks, they'd be and 1:36:41.015 --> 1:36:44.015 we're just standing by to jump into the garden with 1:36:44.015 --> 1:36:46.135 the red climb pass to be with us in just 1:36:46.215 --> 1:36:49.575 a moment. If you've got a question for Ridd eight 1:36:49.695 --> 1:36:53.135 hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. One 1:36:53.175 --> 1:36:55.335 of the things we will talk about is this whole 1:36:55.335 --> 1:37:01.455 thing around the the L boxes. So there was a 1:37:01.495 --> 1:37:05.975 request actually came from my own house to build one 1:37:05.975 --> 1:37:10.495 of these in order to entice perhaps an OL to 1:37:10.535 --> 1:37:12.215 come and live at our place for a while, which 1:37:12.255 --> 1:37:14.855 would be awesome in any way, I went to the expert, 1:37:14.935 --> 1:37:17.055 which was Rude, and said, hey, can you send me 1:37:17.095 --> 1:37:20.335 some plans? Which he did. I think he'd forgotten, to 1:37:20.335 --> 1:37:22.415 be fair, that he sent me two different plans. Of course, 1:37:22.455 --> 1:37:26.815 I've built two different OL boxes and put up a 1:37:26.815 --> 1:37:28.735 little video of one of them, and I'll put up 1:37:29.055 --> 1:37:31.495 a little bit of an explanation about the two different 1:37:31.535 --> 1:37:34.095 OL boxes a little bit later on. So we'll try 1:37:34.095 --> 1:37:35.535 and get that sorted out. But if you've got a 1:37:35.655 --> 1:37:38.415 question for Rud, the lines are open and the number 1:37:38.415 --> 1:37:42.655 to call is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Just 1:37:42.695 --> 1:37:46.135 going to check in with a team that we've got Rude. 1:37:46.375 --> 1:37:49.415 Not yet, I can't hear. 1:37:51.615 --> 1:37:51.775 Right. 1:37:51.815 --> 1:37:53.655 We'll come back to that in just a moment. A 1:37:53.655 --> 1:37:55.255 couple of other quick texts that have come in just 1:37:55.255 --> 1:38:00.055 before the break. I've talked about the soul before this 1:38:00.215 --> 1:38:05.415 from a sparky who was talking about installing, you know, 1:38:05.495 --> 1:38:09.015 like heat transferred systems. Before installing a heat transfer system 1:38:09.095 --> 1:38:11.495 asks a supply to show evidence of the temperature and 1:38:11.535 --> 1:38:14.975 the roof because of the construction type, there was no 1:38:15.055 --> 1:38:18.095 heat in my roof space, so they ended up declining. 1:38:18.175 --> 1:38:20.015 That's not to say there's not a benefit to putting 1:38:20.095 --> 1:38:23.255 ventilation in, which I think is really really important. And 1:38:23.335 --> 1:38:25.695 other text comes through, Hey, look, I've got a late 1:38:25.815 --> 1:38:28.455 nineteen eighties house with a concrete tile roof. There's no 1:38:28.615 --> 1:38:32.135 building paper or no roofing underlay underneath the roof. Is 1:38:32.135 --> 1:38:35.655 that normal? Is that okay? From Blair? Yep, that's still 1:38:35.655 --> 1:38:37.575 the case today in terms of the building coat. So 1:38:37.615 --> 1:38:40.615 if it's concrete tile roof with a pitch I think 1:38:40.655 --> 1:38:44.135 of greater than fifteen degrees, there is no requirement to 1:38:44.215 --> 1:38:48.615 put a roofing underlay underneath the concrete tile roof, mainly 1:38:48.655 --> 1:38:51.455 because there's not the same issues with condensation as you 1:38:51.535 --> 1:38:55.455 might have from a metal roof. If it's less than 1:38:55.575 --> 1:38:58.015 fifteen degrees, I believe there is a requirement to have 1:38:58.135 --> 1:39:02.575 a roofing underlay there. So hopefully that answers that one. 1:39:02.975 --> 1:39:05.655 And this is the classic response every time, and this 1:39:05.735 --> 1:39:07.255 has been the case for as long as I've been 1:39:07.295 --> 1:39:09.415 doing the show. Soon as we talk about, you know, 1:39:09.495 --> 1:39:15.455 making our houses warmer, more comfortable, dryer, et cetera, you know, 1:39:15.455 --> 1:39:19.335 I get a text that runs along the lines of, oh, 1:39:19.415 --> 1:39:21.735 come on, you know it was all right back in 1:39:21.775 --> 1:39:25.295 the day. Yeah, Well, all of the evidence would point 1:39:25.295 --> 1:39:27.455 that that's not the case. Actually, and some of the 1:39:27.495 --> 1:39:32.015 longitudinal studies, particularly out of the University of Targo's medical 1:39:32.055 --> 1:39:37.055 team who've done longitudinal studies on the health impact of 1:39:37.095 --> 1:39:43.815 living in poor damp conditions is massive. So our houses 1:39:43.855 --> 1:39:46.375 weren't great and they should be much better. Oh, eight 1:39:46.495 --> 1:39:48.095 hundred and eighty ten eighty, If you've got a question 1:39:48.175 --> 1:39:49.935 for it, I think we've got rid up on the line. 1:39:49.975 --> 1:39:54.255 Hey, get he, get he? Get making it? How's that? 1:39:54.455 --> 1:39:54.655 Yes? 1:39:54.735 --> 1:39:57.855 Hey, love, your love, your love. Your photos. I must 1:39:57.895 --> 1:39:58.615 say they're great. 1:39:58.815 --> 1:40:01.615 So let's indulge ourselves for a minute, because I did 1:40:01.615 --> 1:40:03.415 promise that i'd make one, and I have made it. 1:40:03.455 --> 1:40:05.295 But in fact I didn't make too because you sent 1:40:05.335 --> 1:40:06.735 me two different plans, right. 1:40:07.015 --> 1:40:08.655 So I think I sent you three. 1:40:08.975 --> 1:40:10.815 Oh okay, all right, well that means I'm going to 1:40:10.855 --> 1:40:13.575 make another one, which is fine, fair, I've had a. 1:40:13.495 --> 1:40:16.055 Great especially if you want barn owls. 1:40:16.295 --> 1:40:19.415 Yes, I do want barn owls specifically. What have I 1:40:19.455 --> 1:40:21.855 now built blood boxes that are not for barn ols? 1:40:22.015 --> 1:40:25.455 You built two boxes? Said no, no, the two boxes. 1:40:25.495 --> 1:40:28.255 One one is for the one that has got the 1:40:28.335 --> 1:40:34.135 offset instances is something that was designed for little owls, 1:40:34.175 --> 1:40:38.335 which had the German owl. They're actually small owls, very 1:40:38.415 --> 1:40:39.135 small owls. 1:40:39.335 --> 1:40:41.255 It's a very big box for a small. 1:40:40.935 --> 1:40:45.055 Owl I know, I know. And the other one is 1:40:45.215 --> 1:40:49.335 actually also a box for little owls, but probably ruru 1:40:49.375 --> 1:40:51.775 would go in there as well, which is of course 1:40:51.855 --> 1:40:57.015 our native rural owl. Yes, okay, the one for the 1:40:57.695 --> 1:41:01.215 and I sent them because I feared that for some 1:41:01.295 --> 1:41:04.055 reason you might not have either gotten it or looked 1:41:04.055 --> 1:41:06.375 at it. There's a third one from England which is 1:41:06.375 --> 1:41:09.055 slightly larger for the bar. The banyl is the largest 1:41:09.295 --> 1:41:11.735 of the three native owls, or the three owls that 1:41:11.815 --> 1:41:15.495 we have in New Zealand. But look, to be quite honest, 1:41:16.055 --> 1:41:19.015 a barno might go in the largest ones that you've 1:41:19.015 --> 1:41:22.215 built anyway, as long as it's got an entrance of 1:41:22.575 --> 1:41:25.375 something like thirteen fourteen centimeters diameter. 1:41:25.655 --> 1:41:28.935 Oh, okay, because all of the designs that I had 1:41:29.015 --> 1:41:32.495 said that the entranceway needs to be somewhere around seventy 1:41:32.575 --> 1:41:34.295 to eighty millimeters. 1:41:34.215 --> 1:41:39.615 That's right, and that is for little owls. And I've 1:41:39.655 --> 1:41:41.695 got little owls in my garden. You see the one 1:41:41.695 --> 1:41:44.615 that I sent you from the fasting We banned those. 1:41:44.855 --> 1:41:47.735 This is actually an owl that came from Europe. It's 1:41:48.055 --> 1:41:49.215 actually a Naedalance owl. 1:41:49.375 --> 1:41:49.575 Yeah. 1:41:50.055 --> 1:41:54.575 Yeah, it's amazing. So here you go. The other thing 1:41:54.655 --> 1:41:57.175 that you were You're quite right by saying that Ponsonby 1:41:57.335 --> 1:42:00.255 Road is where we found somebody found an owl sitting 1:42:00.255 --> 1:42:00.855 there in a tree. 1:42:02.335 --> 1:42:02.855 Amazing. 1:42:03.655 --> 1:42:04.495 How cool is that? 1:42:04.815 --> 1:42:09.975 Absolutely? And I know I've seen some photographs Bayswater. I 1:42:10.015 --> 1:42:12.175 think that was rue that was sitting in the tree there. 1:42:12.295 --> 1:42:14.975 And then some people that I know over in beech 1:42:14.975 --> 1:42:17.895 Haven Way had a barn owl crash into the a 1:42:17.975 --> 1:42:21.095 pool glass and kind of wander around the deck slightly 1:42:21.175 --> 1:42:27.415 dazed as well, which is pretty awesome. Okay, well, look ill, 1:42:28.495 --> 1:42:31.495 I may have to. I've still got some plywood leftover, 1:42:32.095 --> 1:42:34.615 so make another one. 1:42:34.815 --> 1:42:37.095 I'll tell you what now. But that is the cool 1:42:37.175 --> 1:42:40.575 thing that we're doing now because these there are other 1:42:40.615 --> 1:42:44.855 people that are making barny boxes, if you like, and 1:42:44.855 --> 1:42:48.055 and they they love that sort of idea because they're dry, 1:42:48.135 --> 1:42:53.135 they're high, they're protected, and it's all good. The other 1:42:53.215 --> 1:42:57.535 thing I was going to say is that for barnals 1:42:57.815 --> 1:43:01.695 there are two types of boxes. One that goes inside 1:43:02.015 --> 1:43:05.775 the barn, yes, because they love to live in human barns, 1:43:06.375 --> 1:43:10.575 and the other one is probably better for outside buns, 1:43:10.655 --> 1:43:14.135 but in trees and in such a way that they 1:43:14.175 --> 1:43:16.455 can have enough shelter from rain and all that sort 1:43:16.495 --> 1:43:19.415 of stuff. And the sun. It's another thing, of course, 1:43:19.455 --> 1:43:21.615 hanging them up in the right place. If you hang 1:43:21.655 --> 1:43:24.455 them in an area where there's always sun, especially in 1:43:24.495 --> 1:43:27.535 the summertime, you'll find that vinyls start to cook a bit. 1:43:27.535 --> 1:43:28.695 They get very very hot. 1:43:28.815 --> 1:43:32.495 Ah okay, because I must have one of the designs 1:43:32.495 --> 1:43:34.615 has got like a little balcony right. 1:43:34.495 --> 1:43:39.855 Exactly exactly that's where you go sunbathing. But anyway, the 1:43:39.935 --> 1:43:44.175 point I love that. The point though, is that we 1:43:44.375 --> 1:43:47.135 have to be careful not to cook them too much. 1:43:47.215 --> 1:43:49.055 And the third thing I'd like to tell you that 1:43:49.215 --> 1:43:52.095 is something that we've just found out here in New Zealand. 1:43:52.095 --> 1:43:56.055 When those binyals got into Kaitaia in two thousand and eight. 1:43:56.575 --> 1:44:01.735 Is that these pears have three broods a year. Wow, 1:44:02.695 --> 1:44:07.215 So imagine it. Imagine that three times four. You with 1:44:07.295 --> 1:44:09.775 a bit of luck, that's twelve young and a year 1:44:09.855 --> 1:44:10.895 for just one pair. 1:44:12.175 --> 1:44:15.735 Fantastic, amazing. Isn't that just incredible? 1:44:15.935 --> 1:44:16.295 Just it? 1:44:17.015 --> 1:44:17.415 I love it. 1:44:18.015 --> 1:44:19.655 And I'll tell you what I was. Actually, I was 1:44:19.695 --> 1:44:24.215 at an event on Thursday night with Cactus, you know, 1:44:24.255 --> 1:44:28.535 the clothing manufacturers, right, New Zealand based clothing manufacturers. And Ben, 1:44:28.815 --> 1:44:30.815 who's one of the owners, was there. Now he actually 1:44:30.815 --> 1:44:33.615 sits on the board of Forest and Bird as well, 1:44:33.935 --> 1:44:36.095 so he's active. And we were talking about this whole 1:44:36.135 --> 1:44:39.855 thing where I guess as government funding for some community 1:44:39.935 --> 1:44:43.335 organizations dries up and conservation work dries up, in some cases, 1:44:44.135 --> 1:44:48.495 individuals are taking on the responsibility themselves and they're going, well, actually, 1:44:48.495 --> 1:44:50.495 we think that this is really important work, so we're 1:44:50.535 --> 1:44:52.295 just going to carry on and do it. Which is 1:44:52.335 --> 1:44:54.175 also and that you've been part of the space for 1:44:54.215 --> 1:44:55.735 a long time. I think, well that's so. 1:44:56.455 --> 1:44:59.415 Can we trust that sort of stuff? Yeah, absolutely, that's 1:44:59.455 --> 1:45:03.775 exactly what this is about. And and and and there's 1:45:03.775 --> 1:45:06.735 another group just actually I got an interesting called just 1:45:06.775 --> 1:45:12.935 before your missives online from Ethel mccullay. Now, most people 1:45:12.975 --> 1:45:15.615 who are in Christians will know Ethel McCully because he 1:45:15.735 --> 1:45:18.335 was one of the guys that ran the McCauley Garden 1:45:18.375 --> 1:45:21.255 Center see Chrusties for a long time. And it was 1:45:21.295 --> 1:45:23.895 something that we said last or sorry, something that I 1:45:23.975 --> 1:45:27.295 said last week when a woman drum rang up and 1:45:27.335 --> 1:45:30.415 said what would you do with what would you do 1:45:30.495 --> 1:45:34.455 with chicken manu? And said, I wouldn't use it. And 1:45:34.575 --> 1:45:38.455 here's Ethel. He's part of Rotary South Christians and they 1:45:38.455 --> 1:45:42.615 are selling chicken manure and he knows exactly what I mean. 1:45:42.695 --> 1:45:45.295 So he says, can you please tell people that again, 1:45:45.375 --> 1:45:48.335 chicken manure itself is not bad, but I would put 1:45:48.375 --> 1:45:51.415 it through a compost cycle first before I use it. 1:45:51.975 --> 1:45:55.255 And that makes so much sense, or diluted with good 1:45:56.295 --> 1:46:00.375 garden mix or you know that sort of stuff. So 1:46:00.535 --> 1:46:03.815 you don't go to the high faluting chicken manu and 1:46:03.855 --> 1:46:06.815 put it on your garden because that will burn your plants. 1:46:06.895 --> 1:46:08.095 Be very careful with that. 1:46:09.615 --> 1:46:12.055 Just quickly. And because it relates to Father's day, so 1:46:12.535 --> 1:46:16.335 dad was an avid My dad was an avid gardener 1:46:16.375 --> 1:46:20.175 as well, right, and so because we were, you know, duchies, 1:46:20.175 --> 1:46:21.815 and we knew the van Brinks down the road who 1:46:21.815 --> 1:46:24.775 had the chicken farm. Right, we would go and collect 1:46:25.055 --> 1:46:29.495 chicken compost manure from there, and Dad, I think, knew 1:46:29.615 --> 1:46:32.015 intuitively that you didn't put it straight on the garden. 1:46:32.135 --> 1:46:34.775 So he would go and collect a trailer load of 1:46:34.935 --> 1:46:37.695 chicken manure from down the road and we'd bring it home. 1:46:37.775 --> 1:46:39.975 And then he had at one stage it was like 1:46:40.015 --> 1:46:43.335 an old bath semi buried into the garden, and so 1:46:43.375 --> 1:46:45.495 he'd fill that up and he'd let it compost down 1:46:45.535 --> 1:46:47.695 and then he would use it, and in the meantime 1:46:47.695 --> 1:46:49.495 he put a kind of an old bit of plywood 1:46:49.495 --> 1:46:51.575 over the top of it. Anyway, I can remember as 1:46:51.575 --> 1:46:54.215 a kid forgetting that there was a plywood lit on 1:46:54.255 --> 1:46:57.175 there the ply would it obviously rotted. I ended up 1:46:57.535 --> 1:47:04.295 knee deep in the pooh. This whole pay. 1:47:02.895 --> 1:47:08.415 And just an Ivan Brink fam One of those people 1:47:08.575 --> 1:47:15.335 married one of our my what is his brother in law? 1:47:17.455 --> 1:47:23.535 The road between Oppertoy and Worry. Yeah, Eve, let's talk 1:47:23.575 --> 1:47:26.815 to some people. Mike A very good morning, good. 1:47:26.735 --> 1:47:30.895 Morning, how are you good things? That's good, that's good. Hey, 1:47:31.015 --> 1:47:36.455 My wife two kids were moving from see what can 1:47:36.455 --> 1:47:40.215 I dance the Central Otago? Yeah, I was wanting to 1:47:40.255 --> 1:47:41.895 know what we should be planning at this time of 1:47:41.895 --> 1:47:44.415 the year and side a gardening tunnel. 1:47:45.055 --> 1:47:46.615 Where in Central Otago are you? 1:47:48.215 --> 1:47:49.815 We will be moving to rein Freley. 1:47:50.215 --> 1:47:54.375 Ren Freury. Okay, okay, so you do get big frosts and. 1:47:54.295 --> 1:47:57.895 Things like that as far as I'm a yes. 1:47:57.735 --> 1:48:00.535 Yes you will. Okay. You know what is probably the 1:48:00.575 --> 1:48:02.695 best thing to do, Mike, and it's and and I'm 1:48:02.695 --> 1:48:06.655 not joking, is to go for a walk around where 1:48:06.655 --> 1:48:10.815 you are. You know, go to Renfairly town, see who 1:48:10.855 --> 1:48:14.175 has got the nicest gardens? What is the stuff that 1:48:14.295 --> 1:48:17.135 works well there? And you can you know, I would 1:48:17.175 --> 1:48:20.215 normally send you to a botanic garden if you like. 1:48:20.575 --> 1:48:23.535 I don't think there's a botanic garden in Renfurley. There 1:48:23.575 --> 1:48:26.815 will be one in Dunedin. But stay, stay central and 1:48:26.855 --> 1:48:28.895 go and never look who's got a good garden? And 1:48:28.975 --> 1:48:31.375 I bet you, Mike, if you knock on the door 1:48:31.415 --> 1:48:35.495 of a really nice garden, they'll tell you exactly why 1:48:35.575 --> 1:48:39.455 and what. Because gardeners do that. They share that, they 1:48:39.495 --> 1:48:42.535 share their knowledge and that is probably the best way. 1:48:42.815 --> 1:48:45.655 The other thing is to go and you've got to 1:48:45.695 --> 1:48:48.015 do a lot of work on the internet. I suppose 1:48:48.895 --> 1:48:51.095 to find out what you can what you can get there, 1:48:51.495 --> 1:48:55.415 but honestly, go local, ask the local people. I bet 1:48:55.455 --> 1:48:58.095 you you will find really willing people that will help 1:48:58.175 --> 1:49:02.735 you out. Awesome, Thank you very much, No worries. 1:49:02.775 --> 1:49:05.455 Mike, all this Mike, you take care and Robbie, a 1:49:05.535 --> 1:49:10.375 very good morning to you. Hello Robbie, Hello. 1:49:11.455 --> 1:49:12.255 Good morning gentlemen. 1:49:13.055 --> 1:49:14.095 Really the question for you. 1:49:14.695 --> 1:49:16.535 I've got a lemon tree. 1:49:16.495 --> 1:49:20.855 And it's now looks like st or something black that's 1:49:20.935 --> 1:49:24.335 leaned over the leaves, and the whole tree is sort 1:49:24.375 --> 1:49:24.855 of like it. 1:49:25.695 --> 1:49:26.855 I just wondered what it might be. 1:49:28.095 --> 1:49:33.055 That stuff is probably called black sooty mold, which is 1:49:33.095 --> 1:49:36.615 and and makes sense that name, doesn't it. Are you 1:49:36.655 --> 1:49:39.575 in the north of our country? Are you in the 1:49:39.615 --> 1:49:44.135 north Wellington? Well that is that is still the North, Okay, 1:49:44.815 --> 1:49:51.975 so et ceteras. You will quite often get creatures that 1:49:52.295 --> 1:49:56.415 suck sap out of the actual plant, out of the leaves, 1:49:56.895 --> 1:50:00.855 sometimes out of the stems. And it could be meati bugs, 1:50:00.895 --> 1:50:03.215 it could be scale in sects, it could be aphits. 1:50:03.575 --> 1:50:06.175 And what these things do is quite an interesting he 1:50:06.455 --> 1:50:10.455 but they poop out honeyedjew, which is sweet sap that 1:50:10.535 --> 1:50:14.215 they get from the plant. That honeydew then falls onto 1:50:14.295 --> 1:50:17.335 the leaves, often on the top side of the leaves, 1:50:17.935 --> 1:50:20.815 and that is sweet stuff. That is a really good 1:50:20.855 --> 1:50:25.295 material on which sooty mold grows. So what you're seeing 1:50:25.335 --> 1:50:28.415 there is the end result of some sap sucking bugs 1:50:29.455 --> 1:50:32.335 damaging your plants a little bit and pooping out sweet 1:50:32.415 --> 1:50:35.695 sap called honeyjew on top of that gross sooty mold. 1:50:35.855 --> 1:50:37.775 What you need to do is think about how to 1:50:37.775 --> 1:50:41.055 get rid of the scale insects, the mealy bugs, and 1:50:41.095 --> 1:50:47.815 the aphids. Very simple. Get yourself a material like nim 1:50:47.935 --> 1:50:52.175 oil or conquerer oil, and you can mix that with 1:50:52.295 --> 1:50:56.775 a little bit of if you like, pyrethroid insecticides, just insecticides, 1:50:57.135 --> 1:51:00.895 and spray that on top of those leaves of your plants, 1:51:00.935 --> 1:51:04.655 of your shrubs, and of your in this case, citrus tree. 1:51:05.375 --> 1:51:08.095 You'll find that you kill. You will kill the ones 1:51:08.095 --> 1:51:11.175 that pull all over the leaves below, and slowly the 1:51:11.215 --> 1:51:12.615 black shooting mold will. 1:51:12.455 --> 1:51:14.615 Go, oh, thank you. 1:51:14.735 --> 1:51:15.815 Is it conquered. 1:51:16.615 --> 1:51:21.055 Conqueror Conqueror oil. It's a mineral oil that you use 1:51:21.175 --> 1:51:24.015 on plants, your your gun center will know what conqueror 1:51:24.335 --> 1:51:24.975 oil is. 1:51:26.575 --> 1:51:29.055 Thank you, okay, thanks very much. 1:51:29.135 --> 1:51:30.375 Your mine and welcome. 1:51:31.895 --> 1:51:34.895 All the Robbie. You take care. I think we'll take 1:51:34.895 --> 1:51:36.415 a break. We'll do that. We'll do that before we 1:51:36.455 --> 1:51:38.575 talk to and Nett will be back in just a moment. 1:51:40.335 --> 1:51:40.535 Rud. 1:51:40.575 --> 1:51:42.175 I'm just looking at the email that you see me 1:51:42.255 --> 1:51:47.655 yesterday with the barn l nest boxes for inside Trust. 1:51:48.455 --> 1:51:51.615 So this one now has a balcony from the first floor. Yes, 1:51:51.735 --> 1:51:53.055 this is a whole new design. 1:51:54.295 --> 1:51:58.055 No, I know you'd love it, and it needs a 1:51:58.095 --> 1:51:59.855 licensed building practitioner. 1:52:00.735 --> 1:52:02.735 I have to say, with the designs you sent me, 1:52:02.935 --> 1:52:05.615 I couldn't resist but slightly change them. So I just 1:52:05.655 --> 1:52:08.055 couldn't bring my self to build one with a flat roof. 1:52:08.695 --> 1:52:10.895 So I've put a pitched roof on them. 1:52:11.455 --> 1:52:14.575 I think that's lovely because that's exactly what they like. 1:52:14.935 --> 1:52:17.335 But you know what is the good things, especially that 1:52:17.455 --> 1:52:21.095 long then one. Quite often you get starlings in there, 1:52:21.855 --> 1:52:25.655 or or because your hole is now too big if 1:52:25.655 --> 1:52:29.655 you like, or minus and it is. Yeah, oh yeah, 1:52:29.695 --> 1:52:33.375 you get them as well. No, no, but what's the 1:52:33.415 --> 1:52:36.575 point is that we get starlings in our little owl boxes. Now, 1:52:36.575 --> 1:52:38.855 the little owl is not really big at all. It's 1:52:38.895 --> 1:52:43.895 maybe at the most eight inches in size. That's all 1:52:43.935 --> 1:52:48.175 of this is tiny. But when you are styling and 1:52:48.215 --> 1:52:50.735 you go into a little owl box, you end up 1:52:51.175 --> 1:52:54.535 paying for that with your life. Those little owls know 1:52:54.655 --> 1:52:56.815 how to kick them out or kill them, right and 1:52:56.935 --> 1:53:00.095 then and then they leave the corpses inside the box 1:53:00.415 --> 1:53:03.295 because what you get is flies. And if the babies 1:53:03.335 --> 1:53:05.335 come out of the egg, they see the flies and 1:53:05.375 --> 1:53:10.015 they learn how to and flies. It's absolutely stunning. 1:53:10.135 --> 1:53:11.015 That's fantastic. 1:53:11.135 --> 1:53:11.895 It's really cool. 1:53:12.295 --> 1:53:15.215 I realized though with this one. It requires a barn. 1:53:15.535 --> 1:53:21.175 And and I don't have a bar to be fair. 1:53:21.615 --> 1:53:24.815 No, you don't need a bar like something that's European. 1:53:24.895 --> 1:53:30.175 It all right, all right, I will make it maybe today, 1:53:30.455 --> 1:53:32.455 maybe not. It's a nice Father's Day things today. And 1:53:32.495 --> 1:53:35.335 happy Father's Day to you too, mate, and your post day. 1:53:35.695 --> 1:53:37.495 And oh and is Joseph okay? 1:53:37.615 --> 1:53:40.055 Yeah, you know he's great. He rang before and said 1:53:40.335 --> 1:53:44.135 happy Father's Day. So that's nice, right, And hello there. 1:53:44.935 --> 1:53:48.535 Hello there too, Rude and Pete. Hello, I want to 1:53:48.535 --> 1:53:52.655 talk dead compost. I've killed it? Can I believe it 1:53:52.695 --> 1:53:53.535 will come back? 1:53:54.175 --> 1:53:56.215 What did you do to it? To kill it. 1:53:57.335 --> 1:54:00.295 Well, I think I've put too many grass put things 1:54:00.335 --> 1:54:00.855 into it. 1:54:01.535 --> 1:54:03.975 Oh no, no, no, no, no no, that doesn't mean 1:54:04.015 --> 1:54:05.895 it's dead. It means you've. 1:54:05.735 --> 1:54:09.375 Actually it's not. It's not roughing anything I put in. 1:54:09.455 --> 1:54:12.215 I put all the kitchen scraps out there, but it's 1:54:12.215 --> 1:54:12.815 not roughing. 1:54:13.175 --> 1:54:15.615 And that's exactly why you're going the wrong way, because 1:54:15.655 --> 1:54:19.135 even the kitchen scraps are not part, are not needed. 1:54:19.175 --> 1:54:23.735 That is what you need now is wood chips. Right, 1:54:24.255 --> 1:54:28.775 So so here's here's a science lesson on compost. Compost 1:54:28.855 --> 1:54:31.575 is made basically now on two things. The one is 1:54:31.655 --> 1:54:34.295 one is nitrogen, which is all the grass clickens or 1:54:34.335 --> 1:54:36.455 the leaves, all that stuff, or you're in most of 1:54:36.495 --> 1:54:39.935 the food scraps. The other bit that it needs and 1:54:39.975 --> 1:54:42.855 the large amount of compost, the largest part of the 1:54:42.855 --> 1:54:49.015 compost is carbon, and carbon is wood chips, branches, that 1:54:49.135 --> 1:54:51.575 sort of stuff. And if you just keep on putting 1:54:51.575 --> 1:54:54.815 green stuff in it, you you don't get enough composting 1:54:55.055 --> 1:54:57.415 going at all. If you're now going to put a 1:54:57.495 --> 1:54:59.895 lot of that wood chips in and mix it in, 1:54:59.935 --> 1:55:03.135 if you can with the rake, you'll find that everything 1:55:03.175 --> 1:55:05.935 will pick up and there will be your compost won't 1:55:05.935 --> 1:55:07.615 be dead. I'll do you that for free. 1:55:08.655 --> 1:55:11.135 Well I haven't seen any little wombs or anything in it. 1:55:11.655 --> 1:55:14.535 No, because they find it a bit too asset. They 1:55:14.655 --> 1:55:16.175 burned their bubs in there. 1:55:17.775 --> 1:55:18.095 Always. 1:55:18.135 --> 1:55:23.855 Thanks, Can I thank Pete briefly? Thank you very much. 1:55:24.095 --> 1:55:26.375 A long time ago he told me to put PVC 1:55:26.695 --> 1:55:27.415 windows in. 1:55:27.775 --> 1:55:29.375 Oh yes, and. 1:55:29.375 --> 1:55:32.615 I did, and I've now sold the house to my 1:55:33.095 --> 1:55:35.455 son and he thinks they are absolutely fantastic. 1:55:36.255 --> 1:55:38.895 Look, I think it's always one of these things. You've 1:55:38.895 --> 1:55:41.375 got to look at the individual situation and make the 1:55:41.455 --> 1:55:43.815 right choice for that. And if the PVC was the 1:55:43.855 --> 1:55:45.495 right choice there, then that's fantastic. 1:55:45.695 --> 1:55:48.335 So great here I've been meaning to tell you. Thank you. 1:55:48.415 --> 1:55:49.095 It's a pleasure. 1:55:49.335 --> 1:55:50.215 Thanks Rude. 1:55:51.535 --> 1:55:53.615 Both the very best. Hey, let's look at a couple. 1:55:53.775 --> 1:55:55.775 It's all got time for one more call. Also, if 1:55:55.815 --> 1:55:57.255 you want to give us a call. Eight hundred and 1:55:57.255 --> 1:56:02.535 eighty ten eighty the number. Gardening questions Germinating peony tree 1:56:02.735 --> 1:56:05.175 seeds please tree. 1:56:05.655 --> 1:56:09.935 I have not, literally I have not worked with pone seeds. 1:56:10.575 --> 1:56:16.575 I think Duly usually gets them from the shop and 1:56:16.575 --> 1:56:20.495 and plants them directly as seed links. I've never worked 1:56:20.575 --> 1:56:22.295 up so I don't know now I'm not gonna I'm 1:56:22.295 --> 1:56:23.815 not gonna dare to do that. 1:56:24.695 --> 1:56:26.775 And pianis are not a tree? 1:56:26.815 --> 1:56:30.015 Are they not necessarilyful. 1:56:32.415 --> 1:56:35.575 Cold, very cold climates for. 1:56:35.535 --> 1:56:39.255 That in order to flower properly? That's right, right right? 1:56:39.975 --> 1:56:41.855 Another one from Duneed and is it too late to 1:56:41.855 --> 1:56:44.655 start sowing seeds. I've collected a lot of seeds from 1:56:44.735 --> 1:56:47.815 last year, just checking if seed raising mixes the best 1:56:47.815 --> 1:56:52.255 to use. I'm also hoping the red and cream carcabak 1:56:52.495 --> 1:56:54.815 seeds will take from Joey. 1:56:55.375 --> 1:56:57.255 That's a good thing to do right now. I would 1:56:57.295 --> 1:57:01.215 say seeds are sowing depends on exactly what you're talking 1:57:01.255 --> 1:57:04.615 about here. But for instance, if I'm now starting to 1:57:04.655 --> 1:57:07.935 look at my tunnel house, I need differenstance sew seeds 1:57:07.975 --> 1:57:12.815 for what do you call them? Tomatoes? But the problem 1:57:12.935 --> 1:57:15.735 is if it's too cold, they don't like that. So 1:57:15.815 --> 1:57:18.855 you do that inside, and you do that inside the 1:57:18.895 --> 1:57:23.295 house until literally all frost tender plants need to do 1:57:23.335 --> 1:57:25.975 that until frost is no longer an issue. It's that 1:57:26.055 --> 1:57:29.655 sort of stuff. So some varieties can be sown right now. 1:57:29.935 --> 1:57:34.095 In fact, I've had broadbeans sewing it's themselves over in 1:57:34.215 --> 1:57:39.695 winter and they are now flowering. Unbelievable, but that does work. 1:57:39.855 --> 1:57:43.215 But other plants can't handle that. So it pays to 1:57:43.295 --> 1:57:46.815 google which particular seeds you want a plant and make 1:57:46.855 --> 1:57:48.735 sure you do it at the right time. But yes, 1:57:48.815 --> 1:57:49.815 you can sew seeds all. 1:57:49.815 --> 1:57:54.015 Right, brilliant, Hey Tony, very good morning to you. 1:57:54.295 --> 1:57:59.175 Good morning, gentlemen. I've got Micaleia bubbles pedging live and 1:57:59.215 --> 1:58:03.335 all front and I've got the beliefs cooling up and 1:58:03.415 --> 1:58:07.455 got brownie black spots on them and the falling. 1:58:07.175 --> 1:58:07.975 Off the tree. 1:58:08.895 --> 1:58:11.575 But the leaves are all filled up and down spots. 1:58:11.855 --> 1:58:14.855 Yeah, but it might pay to actually use use some 1:58:14.855 --> 1:58:17.695 some fungicides on that because it sounds like a fungal 1:58:17.815 --> 1:58:21.895 infliction if you like, and fung sides plant, you know, 1:58:21.935 --> 1:58:25.615 for plants to stop that brown spot actually getting on 1:58:25.695 --> 1:58:28.815 with it is important. So what I would use is 1:58:28.815 --> 1:58:34.375 a systemic fungicide. Go to your local garden center systemic 1:58:34.695 --> 1:58:37.775 funger side, something like, well, there's all sorts of the 1:58:37.815 --> 1:58:40.175 bits and oh, there's all sorts of varieties there, but 1:58:40.335 --> 1:58:42.775 ask for a systemic that is taken into the plant 1:58:42.975 --> 1:58:47.495 and basically stops these fungi from developing on your leaves. 1:58:49.215 --> 1:58:49.455 Thanks. 1:58:49.495 --> 1:58:52.015 For yet. 1:58:53.375 --> 1:58:57.615 I'm listening attentively because we have Michaelia Grappi's at home. 1:58:58.375 --> 1:59:00.175 But thankfully and reasonably good health. 1:59:00.815 --> 1:59:04.535 That's it. Sometimes when it's too wet and too cold, 1:59:04.655 --> 1:59:07.855 it can get these fungal problems. Yes, all sorts of. 1:59:07.775 --> 1:59:10.935 Things, right quick one from you, Richard greetings. 1:59:11.615 --> 1:59:19.415 Yea good good morning. Hey, Marsian lawn. I sprayed the lawn, 1:59:19.615 --> 1:59:22.615 the marshy part with your wit and for it. It 1:59:22.775 --> 1:59:25.335 all died off nicely, yellowed and everything. What do I 1:59:25.375 --> 1:59:25.815 do with it? 1:59:25.855 --> 1:59:30.095 Now? I would suggest you change the pH that means 1:59:30.135 --> 1:59:34.735 the acidity of the soil by literally putting lime on it, 1:59:35.335 --> 1:59:41.455 not not not dolomite lime, but agricultural lime or normal 1:59:41.495 --> 1:59:43.815 lime or whatever you want to call it. And that 1:59:44.015 --> 1:59:47.535 will change the pH and that will that will really 1:59:47.735 --> 1:59:49.255 disadvantage the moths. 1:59:50.415 --> 1:59:53.735 Okay, your morning, welcome mate. 1:59:53.775 --> 1:59:57.215 Go well, what's the distribution rate? Is it like a 1:59:57.255 --> 1:59:57.975 handful to. 1:59:59.735 --> 2:00:03.855 Or you've gotta be a lecense building partitioner to do 2:00:03.975 --> 2:00:08.015 that a handful to the meter roughly? No, but yeah, 2:00:08.055 --> 2:00:09.775 I know, I know, I know, yeah it is. 2:00:10.295 --> 2:00:11.935 Actually I took your advice. I went and got some 2:00:12.015 --> 2:00:14.375 nitro foscar blue the other day and yeah, around hand 2:00:14.415 --> 2:00:17.495 plum tree and it was a handful or eighty grams 2:00:17.895 --> 2:00:20.695 per square meter to be fair. I don't have a 2:00:20.775 --> 2:00:22.495 scale in the workshop, but I. 2:00:22.495 --> 2:00:27.495 Don't do I this is the point and the handful 2:00:27.535 --> 2:00:29.575 to the square meter is something that is like is 2:00:30.015 --> 2:00:32.935 years old in gardening. It's been there all the it's 2:00:32.975 --> 2:00:35.055 like you know, putting your finger out, said that's four inches. 2:00:37.735 --> 2:00:40.735 Thank you mate, first to September, not the first day 2:00:40.735 --> 2:00:42.495 of spring. Will come down when I visit that on 2:00:42.535 --> 2:00:43.215 the twenty first. 2:00:43.775 --> 2:00:45.135 Jack Dam had to go at that two. 2:00:46.055 --> 2:00:49.535 Take care mate, Happy Faur's day, all the best, Thanks folks, 2:00:49.535 --> 2:00:51.455 thanks for your company. It's been absolute pleasure. See you 2:00:51.495 --> 2:00:52.015 next Sunday. 2:00:55.815 --> 2:00:58.735 For more from the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp, listen 2:00:58.855 --> 2:01:01.615 live to News Talk sa'd be on Sunday mornings from six, 2:01:01.935 --> 2:01:04.015 or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.