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Speaker 6: Well, very good morning, and welcome along to the Resident
Speaker 6: Builder on Sunday. You're with me Pete wolf Camp, the
Speaker 6: Resident Builder, and this is a show all about no
Speaker 6: surprise surprise, building, building, construction, renovating, altering, maintaining, planning, purchasing,
Speaker 6: choosing contractors. Whatever you would like to discuss with regards
Speaker 6: to building construction regulations. We can do all of that
Speaker 6: on the show this morning. So I trust you've had
Speaker 6: a good week. Weather's not far from the mind. I
Speaker 6: was out in my workshop yesterday and I'll explain why. Well,
Speaker 6: I don't need to explain why I'm often in the workshop,
Speaker 6: but with a particular purpose. Yesterday, when an extremely heavy
Speaker 6: band of rain sort of swept across where I am
Speaker 6: and where Aucklanders live inundating curbs and pathways, and probably
Speaker 6: not to the extent of having a flooding inside house
Speaker 6: and that, but it was one of those remarkably heavy
Speaker 6: downpours that sort of swept across the city for about
Speaker 6: ten minutes or so and then disappeared. Kind of made
Speaker 6: me add a couple of other jobs to my to
Speaker 6: do list of things around the house. Sought out some
Speaker 6: decent spouting on the workshop would probably be top of
Speaker 6: that list, seeing the water pouring over the top of
Speaker 6: what I've already got there at the moment. So, and
Speaker 6: these are the sorts of things that happens. We walk
Speaker 6: around and we go, oh cracky, that's right, I should
Speaker 6: do that job, and maybe I should get onto that,
Speaker 6: and maybe there's a bit more maintenance that I need
Speaker 6: to do here there and everywhere. So if you've got
Speaker 6: a task that you would like some help with, eight
Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Or
Speaker 6: if you'd like to send a text, you are more
Speaker 6: than welcome to do that. Thank you Steve for your text.
Speaker 6: I'll explain the moment the If you've got a question
Speaker 6: you'd like to text through, you're more than welcome to
Speaker 6: do that. Of course. It is nine two nine two
Speaker 6: or zbzib from your mobile phone. If you'd like to
Speaker 6: email me, you're more than welcome to do that as well.
Speaker 6: It's Pete at newstaloksb dot co dot nz. So I
Speaker 6: trust you've had a good week and if you've been
Speaker 6: involved with a project, I trust that it's been successful
Speaker 6: and progressive. And if it's not going as well as
Speaker 6: you would have hoped, then maybe we can talk about
Speaker 6: that on the show as well. Eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 6: eighty is that number to call. A little bit later on,
Speaker 6: we're going to catch up with Mike Colds. We are
Speaker 6: going to definitely talk to Redcline past at about eighth dirt.
Speaker 6: He might even bring Rud on a little bit early.
Speaker 6: We have much to discuss. So one of the tasks
Speaker 6: I said last week on the show that I would
Speaker 6: rodd and I have talked about barn Ow's for a while.
Speaker 6: I know this is not necessarily building related, but it
Speaker 6: is now because I built something. I built some barn
Speaker 6: ol boxes. It turns out the RUD sent me two
Speaker 6: different designs and they are quite distinct from each other.
Speaker 6: So I've ended up making two different barn owl boxes,
Speaker 6: which I've sent photographs to RUD. I put a quick
Speaker 6: post up yesterday with a bit of a time lapse,
Speaker 6: and I made a little video about sort of how
Speaker 6: I've set them out and what I think the thinking
Speaker 6: is behind them. That'll be up on my Facebook page
Speaker 6: a little bit later on today. So it's all there,
Speaker 6: it's all happening, and I point this out just as
Speaker 6: a sort of public service announcement. Rushing when you're doing
Speaker 6: tasks tend to lead to mistakes, and I was either
Speaker 6: ushing not kind of, not really, but I sort of
Speaker 6: was yesterday to try and get something finished, and just
Speaker 6: a moment's in attention while using a fairly sharp knife
Speaker 6: trying to clean off a sticker from a hasp off
Speaker 6: a latch right ended up with me going inside clutching
Speaker 6: my finger, going I think we need some bandages. So anyway,
Speaker 6: I'm not sure what the damage is, but it's a
Speaker 6: decental chunk that came out of the finger and a
Speaker 6: couple of bandages and that sort of thing. It's just
Speaker 6: a moment's in attention. And as soon as I did it,
Speaker 6: I was like, ah, you muppet, why would you have
Speaker 6: held your hand like that? And then when the blade
Speaker 6: did slip, it went straight into the finger. One of
Speaker 6: those ones where you go, yeah, that's going to hurt
Speaker 6: a little bit more than what I was hoping for. Anyway,
Speaker 6: It's all fine, but yes, just thinking it's that classic.
Speaker 6: Just take a moment to think about what you're doing
Speaker 6: before you rush to do it. And another transformational event
Speaker 6: for me. But I'll talk about this a bit later on.
Speaker 6: I've started using a track saw. I'll explain that a
Speaker 6: bit later on. We'll get stuck into it. Eight hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Steve.
Speaker 6: Thank you for your text back to Dancing in the
Speaker 6: Cowshed with the opening song back on Steve in the
Speaker 6: Cowshed this morning. I hope the cows enjoy the music
Speaker 6: as well. I know apparently it's very popular to play
Speaker 6: classical music to them, but I figure a bit of
Speaker 6: Ben Harper probably doesn't go astray either. And Matt says, hey,
Speaker 6: Happy Father's Day. Indeed, indeed, if you happen to be
Speaker 6: a dad, Happy Father's Day to you, and thank you
Speaker 6: very much for your wishes. Matt. How do we note
Speaker 6: on my desk when I left this morning saying Happy
Speaker 6: Father's Day to me as well, which is awesome. I
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty all things building construction, regulations, rules, dilemmas,
Speaker 6: you know, discussions that you might get into. Actually, I
Speaker 6: just quickly I had a good converse with a guy
Speaker 6: who's very experienced in the building sector, regulations, involved in
Speaker 6: innovation and so on, and I quickly said to him,
Speaker 6: look where are you at with the rollback in terms
Speaker 6: of H one, this kind of idea that's been flagged
Speaker 6: by the current minister, going well, maybe it's added too
Speaker 6: much cost, Maybe we should look at rolling back H one,
Speaker 6: which is all about energy efficiency, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 6: but look at the news. At the moment we're in
Speaker 6: an energy crisis where we can't generate sufficient energy to
Speaker 6: keep the lights on, and now we want to roll
Speaker 6: back a practical set of solutions that would allow our
Speaker 6: houses to be more energy efficient, i e. Requiring less energy.
Speaker 6: One hand's not talking to the other. Oh, eight hundred
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty is the number to call Neville. Good
Speaker 6: morning to you, thank good morning.
Speaker 7: How are you doing very well?
Speaker 6: Thank you?
Speaker 7: That's sweet. Now I called early because I'll followed you device.
Speaker 6: So a wise man, you're a wise man.
Speaker 7: You're a friend of mine. She lives in a house
Speaker 7: that's at the end of quite a long drive, and
Speaker 7: there's three houses that ended quite long drive, and those
Speaker 7: three houses own the quite long drive. Now, one of
Speaker 7: the houses on one side of the driveway has a
Speaker 7: right of way because it's a cup hold of sense
Speaker 7: quite a long time ago and has a right of
Speaker 7: way to the garage. But in the interim, some new
Speaker 7: people have brought that property and they're now develop it,
Speaker 7: and so they're going to push three driveways into their property,
Speaker 7: so the garage, the original house, new house on the back.
Speaker 8: And I'm gone, you're going to be crazy.
Speaker 7: And she said to me, no, Well, I'll check with
Speaker 7: the council, and they said, no, no, we've granted a permission.
Speaker 7: And I'm going, but you guys owned that the driveway.
Speaker 7: They don't own anything, and yet they're going to push
Speaker 7: at another two drives. I would have assumed that the
Speaker 7: right of way would have stood. I wouldn't have imagined
Speaker 7: you could have created two new accesses off of a driveway.
Speaker 7: You don't know.
Speaker 6: That's an interesting one, and I'm just thinking about it.
Speaker 6: I'm just trying to work my way through that. So
Speaker 6: there's a driveway that services three properties, and typically when
Speaker 6: you look on a title or something like that, you'll
Speaker 6: find that each of the individual titles has like a
Speaker 6: strip of that driveway as part of their title, and
Speaker 6: they all have either an easement or an agreement that
Speaker 6: says we're all going to share. So I own one
Speaker 6: meter of a three meter wide driveway, you own another meter,
Speaker 6: you own the last one, and that becomes the use
Speaker 6: and the property for those three individual houses. And I'm
Speaker 6: getting the impression that this long driveway there happens to
Speaker 6: be a neighboring house right which adjoins it, but doesn't
Speaker 6: necessarily have legal title to the driveway.
Speaker 7: And then they bring houses on the driveway right.
Speaker 6: And they've informally years ago taken out a section offense
Speaker 6: which has allowed them to use the driveway and drive
Speaker 6: into their property. But now now that's being formalized as
Speaker 6: being the entrance to a new development over the land
Speaker 6: that they don't own. That's the bit that I don't get.
Speaker 7: Well, the thing that's really concerning a lot for me.
Speaker 7: I can understand that they have a right away because
Speaker 7: I assume that the garrets, but that particular terrance way
Speaker 7: goes has mean if it's twenty years, let's assume. But
Speaker 7: what concerns me is because they're granted a right away
Speaker 7: to that particular entrance, now that they want to develop
Speaker 7: the property that they actually have rights to create.
Speaker 8: Two more.
Speaker 7: Access is onto their property off the driveway they don't own,
Speaker 7: and there seems to be no recourse.
Speaker 6: I would have thought that your friend who owns the
Speaker 6: property probably needs to go to it'll end up becoming
Speaker 6: a legal thing. A lawyer would need to go survey
Speaker 6: the title and send a note to counsel going, hey, look,
Speaker 6: by the way, you've granted access to a property that
Speaker 6: is not actually owned by that person, and we withdraw
Speaker 6: our right for access to that property. And the other
Speaker 6: thing alongside that is that and I don't necessarily want
Speaker 6: to stand in the way of development just for the
Speaker 6: sake of standing in the way of development. But at
Speaker 6: the same time, like I know from sort of either
Speaker 6: subdivision or intensification work that I've been involved with. There
Speaker 6: is often quite specific rules around what they often call
Speaker 6: a jole like a joint access area, in terms of
Speaker 6: the width of it. I know, for one development we
Speaker 6: were involved with, we had to add like a passing
Speaker 6: bay so that there was sufficient width. You have to
Speaker 6: allow things like can you get a fire truck down there,
Speaker 6: depending on the length of hose that you need to
Speaker 6: get to a property, those sorts of things, so you know,
Speaker 6: what might have been a sufficiently wide driveway for three
Speaker 6: properties may not be a sufficiently wide driveway for six
Speaker 6: property or six developments. So there's a few issues there. Ultimately,
Speaker 6: if you're going to go into battle with counsel, it's
Speaker 6: going to involve lawyers.
Speaker 7: So that's always the problem, isn't it. Everyone's a little
Speaker 7: bit scared to run up a bill of a lawyer
Speaker 7: because you never actually really know what you're going to
Speaker 7: end up until you gets anyway.
Speaker 6: Yeah, actually, that's good question. I'm not sure if lawyers
Speaker 6: do that. You know, like, if I wanted someone to
Speaker 6: come and do some work at my place, could I
Speaker 6: I'd ask for a fixed price quote, But I'm not
Speaker 6: sure that you get that much when you go and
Speaker 6: see your I'll ask our lawyers. I think he comes
Speaker 6: in a fascinating one. Hey, look good on you for
Speaker 6: helping you mate out.
Speaker 7: Thank you much.
Speaker 6: You'll take care pleasure actually on that and it was
Speaker 6: a story. So I'm in the habit these days of
Speaker 6: as I'm reading articles that I find online, often on
Speaker 6: the Herald website and those sorts of things. If it's
Speaker 6: interesting or I feel that it's got some information that
Speaker 6: I might need later on, I just send it to
Speaker 6: myself and it sits in a file on my inbox
Speaker 6: sort of thing. And there was a fascinating one this
Speaker 6: It was on the Herald website. I'm sure it's still
Speaker 6: findable now, where the headline was basically homeowner amazed that
Speaker 6: counsel could install manhole to sewer line by front door
Speaker 6: with no permission or no discussion and consultation. And I thought, gee,
Speaker 6: that's an intriguing one, because I know I've been involved
Speaker 6: with situations where someone a developer, for example, has approached
Speaker 6: a neighboring property to say, hey, look, I need access
Speaker 6: to your property in order to upgrade the stormwater line
Speaker 6: or the wastewater line in order for me to pull
Speaker 6: down this old house and whack up six townhouses, and
Speaker 6: typically the neighbor could go, actually, I'm not that happy
Speaker 6: about it, and then maybe some money changes hands and
Speaker 6: suddenly they're more happy about it, or they go, no,
Speaker 6: I'm not really that interested in it. But the developer
Speaker 6: pushes it through council, and council end up making an
Speaker 6: order saying, hey, look you can. You've got to give
Speaker 6: access to that. It's our asset that happens to be
Speaker 6: in your property, and this person has a right to
Speaker 6: use it. But that typically takes a long time, eighteen months,
Speaker 6: two years, something like that. And so I was intrigued
Speaker 6: by the story where the homeowner is essentially saying, look
Speaker 6: right outside my front door, which actually just happens to
Speaker 6: be on a driveway. They're going to install a new
Speaker 6: wastewater connection from across the road from a development of
Speaker 6: a corner site where there was one house which is
Speaker 6: now going to have eight townhouse development on it. And
Speaker 6: so the developer instead all of this information is in
Speaker 6: the article. The developer, instead of taking that and pumping
Speaker 6: it up to a chamber and then having a gravity
Speaker 6: fed on that side of the road, has opted I
Speaker 6: think with a little bit of insistence from council that
Speaker 6: in fact gravity fed I e. It's better if it
Speaker 6: all just flows downhill, across the road, down a section
Speaker 6: of the driveway and into a new manhole which sits,
Speaker 6: which will sit above the existing council owned or asset,
Speaker 6: being the wastewater line there. And so this homeowner has said, look,
Speaker 6: no consultation, which is really really unusual. I have to say. Anyway,
Speaker 6: you may have a comment on that, or you may
Speaker 6: go and dig out the article and have a bit
Speaker 6: of a read. But it's worth taking the time to
Speaker 6: read the article. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 6: the number to call all things building, construction and as
Speaker 6: it happens right now, but offencing so we'll talk to
Speaker 6: Dobby in just a moment. We'll take a short break
Speaker 6: if you'd like to join us. I eight hundred eighty
Speaker 6: ten eighty is the number to call. I found the
Speaker 6: article that I mentioned. It was up on the twenty
Speaker 6: ninth of August. If you're looking for it, I have
Speaker 6: to say, yeah, have a look at the article. It's
Speaker 6: it's quite good. If you want to chat about it,
Speaker 6: that'd be great. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 6: the number to call Dobby. Good morning to.
Speaker 9: You moning money. Interesting as you're talking about that driver,
Speaker 9: it is exactly the same, right, all you do get
Speaker 9: the boundary pegs down by the road and put a
Speaker 9: fence on each side.
Speaker 6: I think I know what you say. I think in
Speaker 6: this instance here, it seems like an informal arrangement where
Speaker 6: a neighbor, who it would appear to me anyway, doesn't
Speaker 6: have legal access to the driveway, by agreement with the neighbors,
Speaker 6: has cut a hole in the fence and can drive
Speaker 6: along the driveway and nip into their property. Right, So.
Speaker 9: That I appreciate it, really really that place that's got
Speaker 9: three owners, three of them own that driveway, so the
Speaker 9: three of them go against one, Well who wins?
Speaker 6: Well that's right. But yeah, it's a bit of a kid.
Speaker 9: It sounds like you're just an agreement from the last
Speaker 9: in and the last owner. Now that when you buy
Speaker 9: a property, it tells you exactly what hasn't got a
Speaker 9: permit and what's required on their property and your boundary.
Speaker 6: I suppose this one's just going to come down to
Speaker 6: what whether or not the person actually had legal right
Speaker 6: to use that access way. Now maybe while it might
Speaker 6: not be on their title, they might have registered an
Speaker 6: easement for example. So because you know, it's that sort
Speaker 6: of thing. If you look at plans that are often
Speaker 6: drawn where a subdivision takes place, and while each house
Speaker 6: has its own individual title, they'll share a portion of
Speaker 6: the driveway. And as I was saying tat Neville, you know,
Speaker 6: you'll see it kind of divided into thirds or quarters
Speaker 6: or something like that to show which part of the
Speaker 6: driveway you own, but then you have an easement over
Speaker 6: the rest of it to use.
Speaker 9: It goes back to the thing is like, whether it's
Speaker 9: a driveway, a house, section of whatever you pay rates
Speaker 9: on today, Well he comes driveway, it belongs to you.
Speaker 9: You decide.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm a little bit curious. And then the
Speaker 6: other thing, as I mentioned to Neville, is that whole
Speaker 6: thing around you know that like there are obviously planning
Speaker 6: regulations around the width and style of access ways depending
Speaker 6: on the number of properties. So you know, a driveway
Speaker 6: that serves only one unit could potentially be two point
Speaker 6: four meters wide. A driveway that serves more than one
Speaker 6: unit might need to be But yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9: Now if you look at that on. If it's got
Speaker 9: three things, it'll be a three point six.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. And in some cases, depending on the
Speaker 6: length of it, sometimes you.
Speaker 9: And there'll be addresses on thirty one. Yeah, thirty one
Speaker 9: c h. So there's three have got the right a
Speaker 9: wage of that, That's.
Speaker 6: What I'm thinking. But ultimately, if you're going to go
Speaker 6: and do battle with counselor, you're probably going to have
Speaker 6: to lawyer up. So I suspect it's going about you.
Speaker 9: Don't need a lawyer. You do is show them what
Speaker 9: you're paying rates on. See the lawyer you've got.
Speaker 6: If you did a title search on the adjoining property
Speaker 6: to see what their title actually show shows they have
Speaker 6: access to our rights to.
Speaker 9: Yeah, a counter's got that. All you do is go
Speaker 9: and apply for it, and they've given you a photo
Speaker 9: copy of your titles.
Speaker 6: Awesome, all right, some good advice there, Dobby appreciate that
Speaker 6: all of us to take care of. Then, oh wait,
Speaker 6: I was so tempted to ask him whether or not
Speaker 6: Dobby being I presume a nickname was a nickname that
Speaker 6: was given to him after the Harry Potter movies came out,
Speaker 6: or whether that's a nickname that he had before then
Speaker 6: I didn't feel I should ask, Oh, eight hundred and
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty is the number to call put morning
Speaker 6: peak text. We've put a roof on us. We want
Speaker 6: to put a roof on slider over a small storage
Speaker 6: erro with thinking wooden trusts clad with roofing, iron on galvanised.
Speaker 6: Now is that possible without a consent?
Speaker 7: TI?
Speaker 6: As soon as you end up with a roof on
Speaker 6: anything that requires a consent, particularly if it's attached to
Speaker 6: your existing building, So things like car ports, for example,
Speaker 6: up to forty square meters can underschedule one of the
Speaker 6: act be built without necessarily requiring a consent, as long
Speaker 6: as it then fits a number of other criteria in
Speaker 6: terms of distance from boundary, not being attached to an
Speaker 6: existing structure, etc.
Speaker 8: Etc.
Speaker 6: Most often, as soon as you put a roof on,
Speaker 6: for example, the difference between having a loggier type thing,
Speaker 6: which is just rafters posts and a beam to give
Speaker 6: some definition to an outdoor space, you can do that
Speaker 6: without a consent. As soon as you add a roofing
Speaker 6: to that, then typically it triggers a requirement for consent,
Speaker 6: and I would imagine that in this instance, your question
Speaker 6: is if you're going to do storage area. Unless it's
Speaker 6: not attached the house and it's not its own height
Speaker 6: away from the boundary, or it is its own height
Speaker 6: away from the boundary, it probably triggered a requirement for
Speaker 6: a building consent. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
Speaker 6: number to call if you've got a question of a
Speaker 6: building nature. The lines are open for you right now.
Speaker 6: Call us now eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks
Speaker 6: there B. It is six point thirty four here at
Speaker 6: Talks HEB. Probably in the rest of the country as well.
Speaker 6: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 6: if you've got a question of a building nature, whether
Speaker 6: it's you know, we've talked a little bit about fencings
Speaker 6: and driveways, and it's that whole. I guess it's an
Speaker 6: increasingly common issue in most metropolitan areas or most urban
Speaker 6: areas where intensification is obviously underway and suddenly it does
Speaker 6: put pressure on either existing infrastructure, whether that's assets that
Speaker 6: are in the ground I pipework and services, or above
Speaker 6: ground as well in terms of parking, driveways, access, rubbish
Speaker 6: collection and all of those sorts of things. And I've
Speaker 6: just had another read through This article about it was
Speaker 6: in the Herald on the twenty ninth of August about
Speaker 6: a gentleman who lives in Green Bay. Green Bay's a
Speaker 6: little sort of beachside suburb alongside the Monaco Harbor out
Speaker 6: of central West Auckland, and a development that's happening on it.
Speaker 6: This is the I suppose the crux of the issue
Speaker 6: an eight hundred and twelve square meter site that is
Speaker 6: now going to have eight new townhouses put onto it.
Speaker 6: And I have to say I personally don't in most
Speaker 6: instances have too much of an issue with intensification. I
Speaker 6: think we need to do it. I think it's a
Speaker 6: really good way of creating more supply, of hopefully addressing
Speaker 6: issues around affordability, and of preventing urban sprawl, which I
Speaker 6: don't think is a good at all. This kind of
Speaker 6: constant let's just find more land, old farms and put
Speaker 6: more townhouses on them, is not a I don't think
Speaker 6: it's a great method of growing your city. So intensification
Speaker 6: is good. But I thought that things like the Auckland
Speaker 6: Unitary Plan and other planning initiatives by councils around the
Speaker 6: country was to promote these sorts of developments within walking
Speaker 6: distance of public transport and so on and so forth.
Speaker 6: That you know, if you're five hundred meters from a
Speaker 6: train station or a transport hub or then you're allowed
Speaker 6: to intensify to a certain height and number. And then
Speaker 6: as that distance reduces, then the scale of the intensification
Speaker 6: reduces as well. With an idea to saying, well, look,
Speaker 6: if we're going to promote intensification, then we also need
Speaker 6: to promote mode shift in terms of transport. And if
Speaker 6: we put these types of developments near transport hubs, then
Speaker 6: people can use public transport to get around a little
Speaker 6: bit ideologically driven. Oh, but it does actually kind of
Speaker 6: make sense. So then I was fascinated by the story
Speaker 6: around the connection of eight new townhouses to a sewer
Speaker 6: connection that is in the adjoining property, not adjoining, but
Speaker 6: across the road and down a right of way to
Speaker 6: a new manhole there. And then yes, I had a
Speaker 6: look on maps, and then I had a look on
Speaker 6: the gis to see what was what the infrastructure is like,
Speaker 6: and then thought, actually, this is not the sort of
Speaker 6: development that I think we should be having. It's an
Speaker 6: eight hundred and twelve square meter site in a suburban
Speaker 6: street that is predominantly single house dwelling and quite a
Speaker 6: distance from any major transport hub. There's buses at the
Speaker 6: end of the road, but then they connect to another
Speaker 6: transport hub before you go in. So I wonder where
Speaker 6: the issue with this story is. Really this is the
Speaker 6: sort of development that intense probably shouldn't have happened. Anyway,
Speaker 6: your thoughts, Oh, eight hundred and eighty, Then I'm to
Speaker 6: call hello, Gabriel.
Speaker 10: Yeah, good morning, Peter. Sorry, I speak some of it in.
Speaker 6: Imperial, quite familiar with I've got Yes.
Speaker 10: I've got a width between the house and the neighbor's
Speaker 10: fence of seventeen feet. But I want to erect a
Speaker 10: what's called a portable garage. It's made of it's made
Speaker 10: of canvas, heavy duty. That tent basically is it's thirteen
Speaker 10: feet wide, which means that I've got about two feet
Speaker 10: on either side when it's up. Are there? And the
Speaker 10: other thing I want to do, it's may change it
Speaker 10: is that on each corner I want to add poles
Speaker 10: of two meters in length and drop them and concrete
Speaker 10: them around them around this tenth so that it stabilizes
Speaker 10: it further. So I'm wondering are there any rules or
Speaker 10: any rules that I should be aware of? And yeah,
Speaker 10: I mean, look to do I need consent?
Speaker 6: The typically you would, and the main reason for that
Speaker 6: is proximity to the boundary. So the sort of rule
Speaker 6: of thumb is that if you're within a meter of
Speaker 6: the boundary, and a met is just over three feet,
Speaker 6: then that triggers the requirement for a building consent. And
Speaker 6: so two foot is obviously less than three foot, and
Speaker 6: so that would requirement. Also, the building should, ideally, if
Speaker 6: it gets done without consent, be the height of the
Speaker 6: structure away from your existing structure, and you won't have
Speaker 6: that space. The challenge would be getting a building consent
Speaker 6: for something that's not really a building, i e. It's
Speaker 6: you can a sort of temporary structure.
Speaker 10: Temporary structure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the what are you going to do? Just
Speaker 6: park a car in there? It's just cover for a car.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that's what I hope to do. But yeah, okay,
Speaker 10: so I need to consent, But that's fine. That's really
Speaker 10: what I'll wanted to know before I get right into
Speaker 10: it yet.
Speaker 6: But I think so, and you know, part of that
Speaker 6: will also be that like if let's say you don't
Speaker 6: go for consent, and suddenly you start building and the
Speaker 6: neighbor goes craiky, I'm not really that happy about this
Speaker 6: thing being so close to the boundary, And then they
Speaker 6: go to council. Council will turn up and go, well,
Speaker 6: actually you do need a consent for that. It's unauthorized
Speaker 6: works and you'll get a notice effects or a you know,
Speaker 6: a letter, potentially a fine. I mean typically counsel don't
Speaker 6: go out looking for these sorts of things, but when
Speaker 6: it's drawn to their attention, eventually they'll get round to
Speaker 6: looking at it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so good advice as usual.
Speaker 6: Pleasure somebody boundaries where it's all that already all the best,
Speaker 6: take care bother them and Eric a very good morning
Speaker 6: to you.
Speaker 11: Good morning, Peter. I have a problem I'm hoping you
Speaker 11: won't be ever help me with. I've just done a
Speaker 11: twelve meter by eight meter edition on my son's house.
Speaker 11: So now we're into doing the old part of the house.
Speaker 11: So when we put the new roof on, we stripped
Speaker 11: the roof off the old part of the house. It's
Speaker 11: a fifteen degree pitch, so because the pearlins didn't line up,
Speaker 11: so we removed the eye and the building paper of
Speaker 11: the netting replaced the pearlins, put the new white paper
Speaker 11: on and reroofed it. Since then, we've ripped all the
Speaker 11: wooden windows out of the old part of the house
Speaker 11: and replaced them with double blows with the planted seal,
Speaker 11: and anyway, we now have a mold problem growing on
Speaker 11: the bottoms of the pearlins and about the meter up
Speaker 11: the rafters in where we've reroofed just one side of
Speaker 11: the house, on the eastern side of the house, so
Speaker 11: we kicked in the front entrance, the bathroom in one
Speaker 11: bedroom when we started last weekend ripping the ceilings and
Speaker 11: that down in the old part of the house. In
Speaker 11: the bathroom, we could see this mold growing and it's
Speaker 11: quite bad growing on the on the It's only on
Speaker 11: the top side of the purlins and for about a
Speaker 11: meter up from the top plate up the rafters. A.
Speaker 11: What's caused that? I know, I listened a while ago
Speaker 11: you were talking about roof ventilation. A what caused it?
Speaker 11: And B how do we solve it? Because it wasn't
Speaker 11: there previously. I have I have a feeling that because
Speaker 11: while we had all the wine eating and everything off,
Speaker 11: we took the opportunity to put new bats completely over
Speaker 11: top of the old bats that had shrunken down. I
Speaker 11: have a feeling that they had one of those test
Speaker 11: that sucking motor things in the bathroom with the heat
Speaker 11: lamps in it and an extractor fan. I have a
Speaker 11: feeling the fact that the hose may have had a
Speaker 11: hole in it, or you know, the one hundred and
Speaker 11: fifty little point to the outside of the house. So
Speaker 11: have you any ideas what caused this or it wasn't
Speaker 11: there in the previously and we get rid of it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's probably just happenstance that it wasn't
Speaker 6: there before, because there was probably a lot more airflow, right,
Speaker 6: and a lot more ventilation in an old drafty construction,
Speaker 6: And so then you've ended up going part way towards
Speaker 6: reducing that airflow, which then creates still air, which then
Speaker 6: creates the potential for mold growth. And it's it's a
Speaker 6: it could potentially be a thing called interstitular moisture control.
Speaker 11: Right, it's a big word.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, and to be fair, it does get
Speaker 6: enormously complex. Well yeah, it does quite quickly. But there's
Speaker 6: a lot of articles about it and it kind of
Speaker 6: relates to a couple of things. One is that we
Speaker 6: have to start understanding that moisture, as in water molecules
Speaker 6: attached to air, migrates through solid surfaces. So and that
Speaker 6: I'm still trying to get my head around it, to
Speaker 6: be fair, right, this is an area that I'm trying
Speaker 6: to do a lot more reading on. So, for example,
Speaker 6: an a skillion roof a little bit like what you've constructed,
Speaker 6: there will always be moisture inside the room below that. Now,
Speaker 6: if for example, we've got just plasterboard lining and then
Speaker 6: we've got our ceiling strapping, then we've got some insulation,
Speaker 6: then hopefully there's a gap at the top of that
Speaker 6: insulation to the underside of the roofing underlay, and then
Speaker 6: you've got your roofing iron on top. So moisture will
Speaker 6: migrate from inside that habitable space through the plaster board
Speaker 6: and then trapped inside that surface, which if that's got
Speaker 6: less airflow than before because you've put new building paper
Speaker 6: on it, because maybe you've tidied up some gaps and
Speaker 6: bits and pieces, or you've ended up closing up the
Speaker 6: gap between the roofing underlay and the insulation. So Ideally
Speaker 6: you must have at least fifty millimeters of gap between
Speaker 6: your insulation and the underside of your roofing underlay to
Speaker 6: allow for some airflow in there, because without it, that's
Speaker 6: where the moisture ends up. And then when the moisture
Speaker 6: adheres to a surface, it creates a damp environment and
Speaker 6: promotes mold growth, and that's what you might be seeing.
Speaker 6: I've seen similar pictures for example of actually some classrooms
Speaker 6: that were built about fifteen years ago where agains you know,
Speaker 6: rafter perlin building paper, iron, insulation, plasterboard on the underside,
Speaker 6: and when they pulled them down because they'd seen mold
Speaker 6: on the ceilings, what they found is that the moisture
Speaker 6: had got into that space and the insulation was starting
Speaker 6: to blacken with mold, and there was mold growth on
Speaker 6: the timber as well, and potentially from their timber decay.
Speaker 6: So that's kind of if you do want to do
Speaker 6: some reading, start in that area. And again it's pretty
Speaker 6: flash sounding terminology, but interstitular moisture control is where you
Speaker 6: want to be looking at on.
Speaker 11: The new part of the house, or sorry, on the
Speaker 11: new part of the house. Because we had to put
Speaker 11: the extra thick vats and before we put the pearlins
Speaker 11: on above the top plate we used. It came in
Speaker 11: a box and you sort of folded it out like
Speaker 11: a constantina. It was like a corrugated plastic. It was
Speaker 11: about eight hundred high and we put it right around
Speaker 11: the right around the house and so that meant that
Speaker 11: the bats could not possibly touch the building paper, et cetera.
Speaker 11: But this is like a white mold, it's not a
Speaker 11: black mold. There was absolutely no sign of it on
Speaker 11: the ceilings on the inside of the house, but we
Speaker 11: could just smell it when we started pulling down the
Speaker 11: ceilings in the bathroom. And the soun's an asthmatic, and
Speaker 11: the soun's an asthmetic, and it's the last thing we want.
Speaker 12: So the other.
Speaker 6: Issue, the other issue to look at is what's the
Speaker 6: ventilation like inside the house. And you know, I know
Speaker 6: that often when we talk ventilation, people just go just
Speaker 6: open a door or open a window and that sort
Speaker 6: of thing, and that's part of the solution. But you know,
Speaker 6: in modern living, we don't always leave windows and doors open.
Speaker 6: So having an active form of ventilation, whether that's a
Speaker 6: positive pressure system or a balanced pressure system in the
Speaker 6: house actively, you know, controlling airflow, controlling moisture within the
Speaker 6: house might also be part of the solution. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 6: I've had I had a long discussion with actually someone
Speaker 6: who's going to join us on the PROGRAMM a couple
Speaker 6: of weeks time, Storm Harpham, who's an engineer who now
Speaker 6: works specifically in ventilation for residential houses. So she's going
Speaker 6: to join me on the show in a couple of
Speaker 6: weeks time. And again I met her at an event.
Speaker 6: We got talking about insulation, about ventilation, and then a
Speaker 6: property that I look after had a similar issue where
Speaker 6: I thought I had dealt with mold issues in a bathroom,
Speaker 6: including adding a new fan, putting in bed of repainting
Speaker 6: the ceiling, cleaning all the moisture off, checking for leaks, etc.
Speaker 6: And then after about eight months later, had the reoccurrence
Speaker 6: of this mold issue. And one of the things that
Speaker 6: in discussion with Storm we talked about is that it's
Speaker 6: very much about changing the type of ventilation that we've
Speaker 6: got in that building. And so I'm going to swap
Speaker 6: out the fan that I've got in there for one
Speaker 6: that has a humidity and temperature sensor on it. So
Speaker 6: it's reading the room and turning itself on when required,
Speaker 6: rather than relying on the people who are in the
Speaker 6: house to go, oh, that's right, I need to turn
Speaker 6: the fan on. And then we discussed other sort of
Speaker 6: you know, home ventilation systems that will be active all
Speaker 6: of the time to increase air flow, to control humidity,
Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera. So there might be a couple
Speaker 6: of things happening there.
Speaker 11: What I thought about doing was around this, A feat
Speaker 11: was putting in a series of like underhouse vents, you know,
Speaker 11: but you know, the galvanized vents, and like, yes, I'm
Speaker 11: a bit reluctant because the old five blow it will
Speaker 11: have his best orso yeah, because it's an old house.
Speaker 11: It's pretty old house with that, with that, you know,
Speaker 11: but without having something at the top ll very well
Speaker 11: having a hole at the bottom. But I heard you
Speaker 11: talking about ventilated ridge.
Speaker 6: And interestingly enough, I did a I built for myself
Speaker 6: on another project, a ten scua meter cabin right home
Speaker 6: office type thing, and it had had a monopitch roof,
Speaker 6: so six inch rails, four to two rafters, jframe sorry
Speaker 6: six two rafters and jframe. And then what I ended
Speaker 6: up doing is I had actually a vapor control barrier
Speaker 6: underneath the rafters, then I had my insulation, Then I
Speaker 6: had a different type of vapor control barrier on top
Speaker 6: of the rafters. Then I put battens on and then
Speaker 6: my perlans to allow airflow. And so I've got airflow
Speaker 6: that comes in from underneath the iron and then at
Speaker 6: the top don't really have a ridge cap. You've just
Speaker 6: got a barge flashing at the top. But at the
Speaker 6: top there I've installed one hundred mil vent because it's
Speaker 6: a dark roof and it's going to heat up, so
Speaker 6: trying to control the amount of heat and condensation that
Speaker 6: I get in there by actually having some ventilation. So
Speaker 6: similar to what you're talking about, having potentially airflow in
Speaker 6: and out in a roof space to help control the
Speaker 6: environment there would possibly be a good thing. What I
Speaker 6: do is I've got to take a break, but I
Speaker 6: would have a look I tell you what, I have
Speaker 6: a look at some of the brand's articles recently have
Speaker 6: been really good around They're often really good, but the
Speaker 6: ones around ventilation and moisture control are digestible but really
Speaker 6: really good information. So have a look at the brand's
Speaker 6: articles online. They're worth reading. Nice talking, take care, take
Speaker 6: short break back in a mow your news talks, they'd
Speaker 6: be we can talk to Doug, but I think I
Speaker 6: might get them to hold just for a moment because
Speaker 6: we don't have much time before the news. Top of
Speaker 6: the hour. After the news, we are going to touch
Speaker 6: base with Mike Olds from Razine Construction Systems. And in
Speaker 6: the next hour, of course the climb past will be along,
Speaker 6: and to be fair, we might have to start a
Speaker 6: bit early because we are going to be talking about
Speaker 6: our boxes. A mild obsession of mine or our household
Speaker 6: has been this migration of German barn ow's, which have
Speaker 6: become native to Northland and are moving their way down,
Speaker 6: including a very exciting post the other day, one of
Speaker 6: them sitting in a tree on Ponsonby Road of all places. Yes,
Speaker 6: indeed Ponsonby Road anyway. So I went to the expert
Speaker 6: being rid and said, hey, look, do you have any
Speaker 6: designs for these owl boxes, because there's quite specific requirements
Speaker 6: to make it an enticing habitat for said barn owl.
Speaker 6: So he sent me some plans, and then he sent
Speaker 6: me some other plans. So I made the first one
Speaker 6: on Thursday, and then I went back out into the
Speaker 6: shed yesterday because it was a pretty average kind of
Speaker 6: day weatherwise, and made another one. So I've now got
Speaker 6: these two different designs and layouts for barn owl boxes. Anyway,
Speaker 6: I'll put up some photographs on my Facebook page a
Speaker 6: little bit later on so you can see what is
Speaker 6: that I'm actually rambling on about. But a very entertaining
Speaker 6: couple of hours in the shed to make both of
Speaker 6: these various designs, or a variety of designs that I've
Speaker 6: now got so two different layouts for the same owl house.
Speaker 6: And I'll try and put up my plans for how
Speaker 6: I made them as well, So we'll do that anyway,
Speaker 6: we will talk more after the news sport and whether
Speaker 6: here at News Talks. He'd be if you'd like to
Speaker 6: join us. The lines are open than The number to
Speaker 6: call is eight hundred eighty ten eighty, and of course
Speaker 6: you are more than welcome to text as well. It's
Speaker 6: nine to nine two or zib from your mobile phone.
Speaker 6: We're back after the break. You a News Talks, he'd
Speaker 6: be welcome back to the show. Eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 6: eighty is the number to call if you've got any
Speaker 6: questions around building construction renovating, like Eric our caller just
Speaker 6: before the news talking about an existing house, then some alterations,
Speaker 6: and then after the alterations having an issue with moisture
Speaker 6: and mold growth in what has been the new addition.
Speaker 6: So something changed which has then created the environment for
Speaker 6: mold growth. It does get I don't keep keep realizing that.
Speaker 6: I keep saying these things are complex, and they are
Speaker 6: because it's a It's an interconnection of a whole lot
Speaker 6: of different elements around ventilation, around moisture, about construction, around
Speaker 6: what happens as moisture migrates through a solid surface, the
Speaker 6: position of the jew point, and those sorts of things.
Speaker 6: But there is a tremendous amount of research that's been
Speaker 6: done on this, partly driven by failure. So when we
Speaker 6: see things that don't work well, then we suddenly realize, actually,
Speaker 6: we've got a bit of an issue with how you know,
Speaker 6: we've assembled the assembly of our construction either leaves the
Speaker 6: moisture sitting on the outside, which is where we want it,
Speaker 6: or inadvertently we end up with it sitting on the inside.
Speaker 6: So we move the jew point to the inside of
Speaker 6: our building structures, which then provides an environment for mold growth,
Speaker 6: so we need to understand how that moisture migrates through
Speaker 6: solid surfaces and the impact of variation of temperature inside
Speaker 6: and outside. The impact of adequate ventilation into our houses
Speaker 6: is our houses come. We're a long way from being
Speaker 6: air tight, but we're getting closer and closer. If you
Speaker 6: look at how we do building wraps and we do
Speaker 6: window ceiling, we look at the quality of the window
Speaker 6: and the lack of gaps and cracks and drafts. These
Speaker 6: sorts of things make our buildings more air tight without
Speaker 6: being air tight. And then highlighting the fact that we
Speaker 6: need to do adequate ventilation as well. And the other
Speaker 6: thing that it struck me the other day and it's
Speaker 6: a part of what I do. I guess that is
Speaker 6: the least pleasurable is every now and then being asked
Speaker 6: to go and have a look at some work that's
Speaker 6: being done, and then from time to time looking at
Speaker 6: it going it's just really poor work, you know. And
Speaker 6: while I think in general we've got reasonable standards in
Speaker 6: terms of how we put our houses together and the
Speaker 6: quality of the people doing the work, every now and
Speaker 6: then you still end up running into a job and
Speaker 6: into a site where you just go, look, the person
Speaker 6: just of viously didn't know what they were doing. And
Speaker 6: how did you end up contracting this person? How was
Speaker 6: it that you allowed this person to come and do
Speaker 6: this work? Was it they were recommended and they've done
Speaker 6: a really bad job? Did they end up? Did you
Speaker 6: get how? I heard of a story years ago someone
Speaker 6: got eleven quotes for a renovation project, took the lowest quote,
Speaker 6: the cheapest one, and the job was a disaster, and
Speaker 6: you kind of go, well, no surprises there. So getting
Speaker 6: quality and ensuring quality is always a bit tricky, and
Speaker 6: funnily enough, it was something that I got chatting to
Speaker 6: Mike Olds from Razine Construction about the other day. Mike,
Speaker 6: a very good morning and happy Father's Day. Likewise, please
Speaker 6: cheers mate. It's a real issue, isn't it in terms
Speaker 6: of you know, if you're slightly unfamiliar to building and
Speaker 6: construction and you're out there looking for contractors, how do
Speaker 6: you know you're going to get someone who's reliable and
Speaker 6: is going to do what they need to do in
Speaker 6: order to achieve a good outcome? And I guess you know,
Speaker 6: for you guys with Razine Struction, it's all about exterior
Speaker 6: construction and clanning and so on. So if we're going
Speaker 6: down the exterior construction with razine, how would you how
Speaker 6: do you guys monitor it?
Speaker 8: Well, since day one of our business, we've taken their
Speaker 8: approach that we just don't sell our products out the
Speaker 8: door for a start. We only supply qualified professional contractors
Speaker 8: who we can then support through the entire process. And
Speaker 8: it's interesting over the years, it hasn't really changed in
Speaker 8: terms of what people need to look for. Price is
Speaker 8: always a dominant factor, and that seems to be even
Speaker 8: stronger these days to the current economic environment. But still
Speaker 8: with that said, people need to do their due diligence
Speaker 8: and part of the process on our side of things,
Speaker 8: outside of the LBP process restricting supply into professional contractors
Speaker 8: that know what they're doing and how to do the
Speaker 8: variety of systems that we offer. As another mechanism that
Speaker 8: we applied back in two thousand and five to generate
Speaker 8: great as surety for the installations of the products and
Speaker 8: systems was an on site review process or technical review
Speaker 8: process by one of our technical sales staff. Now that
Speaker 8: involves a review at substrate. So once all the battens
Speaker 8: and the flash and the clouding, the substrate's been installed,
Speaker 8: we do a review at that stage, checking roof connections
Speaker 8: and all sorts of things, and then at the final
Speaker 8: review we go and doo a qa check on the
Speaker 8: finished article of the project. And then following on from
Speaker 8: that another seven years later we send reminders to the
Speaker 8: clients to start considering general maintenance and repaints and checking
Speaker 8: that they've been looking after and maintaining the property over
Speaker 8: that sort of that period of time. So there's a
Speaker 8: lot of fact that's involved in it that I think
Speaker 8: one of the key things in terms of what you
Speaker 8: started a conversation with is around checking the quality of
Speaker 8: the quoting stage. At the moment, everyone's going for a
Speaker 8: lot of quotes and checking things in terms of price
Speaker 8: of the first dominant factor, but they should need to
Speaker 8: check previous project history with clients or with contractors just
Speaker 8: to say a look. And particularly with us, it's pretty visual.
Speaker 8: You can see what's going on on the outside, so
Speaker 8: you can do some drive buys and have a look
Speaker 8: at the see if you've got some reference projects excuse
Speaker 8: me to look at, and that gives that additional surety
Speaker 8: because the expectation of visual you know, in terms of
Speaker 8: what you expect to see, you know, not from I
Speaker 8: mean we put up loads of projects on our social
Speaker 8: media and through Instagram, Facebook to show the work across
Speaker 8: the country and irrespective of whether you're in the Deep
Speaker 8: South or in the far North, those types of that's
Speaker 8: quality of work, in caliber of work you see should
Speaker 8: be an expectation, you know, and I think that's what
Speaker 8: people need to just have it. Just do some do
Speaker 8: some additional little checks before they actually engage the contracts,
Speaker 8: you know, because the old average peep there what you
Speaker 8: pay for and it doesn't take much sometimes to make
Speaker 8: an extra couple of phone calls or to do a
Speaker 8: bit of a drive buy and have a look at
Speaker 8: some project works and make your decisions from there as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, brilliant advice and I mean impressive that you guys
Speaker 6: have set out a lot, well quite some time ago
Speaker 6: to go this is the pathway for us. And like
Speaker 6: you say, we're not selling our product out the door.
Speaker 6: It's got to go to a license applicators. We're going
Speaker 6: to work with those people to ensure that our clients
Speaker 6: get the very best outcome from their engagement with us.
Speaker 6: Which is great to find out more folks check it
Speaker 6: out online. Razineconstruction dot co dot NZ Mike, Happy Father's
Speaker 6: Day to you and enjoy the golf day today year
Speaker 6: with news talks, he'd be at a sixteen minutes after it's
Speaker 6: fourteen minutes after seven. The lines are open. The number
Speaker 6: to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
Speaker 6: number to call. Number of texts about sort of planning
Speaker 6: regulations and new builds and infrastructure and so on. I
Speaker 6: made the comment about this development that I've been reading
Speaker 6: about in the Herald online, about the Green Bay development
Speaker 6: where eight new townhouses were being built in essentially a
Speaker 6: residential suburb, single dwelling or single houses per section type
Speaker 6: of subdivision, not terribly close to transport. And I made
Speaker 6: the point that I think that if we're going to
Speaker 6: do infrastructure increasing intensification, then we need to do it
Speaker 6: where there is the potential to then use public transport.
Speaker 6: And it's got to be easy, right, It's got to
Speaker 6: be a couple of minutes walk. Not No one's going
Speaker 6: to walk for fifteen minutes in the rain to catch
Speaker 6: a bus that then has to take you to another
Speaker 6: transport node in order to get to where you might
Speaker 6: want to go. But a couple of texts new build
Speaker 6: up the back. Don't joke. People don't use buses, they
Speaker 6: go and park on the yellow line, speed up and
Speaker 6: down the right of ways. Yeah, I think it's changing.
Speaker 6: I think it is a mind shift thing. And we're
Speaker 6: talking about ventilation as well. Ventilations critical in New Zealand's
Speaker 6: cheap and simple. Not so sure about that. In Europe
Speaker 6: they have for many years solved this issue due to
Speaker 6: their environment, and as usual n zeters behind the world
Speaker 6: and very slow to understand what is common sense. Thank
Speaker 6: you very much for that text. If you've got an opinion,
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty eighty is the number to call. Doug.
Speaker 6: Thanks for waiting. Good morning to you.
Speaker 7: Thanks.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I listen to this a lot. It's very
Speaker 13: very interesting.
Speaker 6: Great of you to say, thank you.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 13: So yeah, I do have the same issue about pungentation
Speaker 13: and moisture and things. We've got an older home, so
Speaker 13: heading towards the healthy homes, which we've done the policy
Speaker 13: on the ground and underneath the floor and well to
Speaker 13: carry on. And now we've stealed all the window. Obviously
Speaker 13: it's a wooden joinery window, so it was bottle of
Speaker 13: draft strips around windows, but it seems to be more
Speaker 13: we're more we're selling the envelope, the more moisture we're
Speaker 13: getting inside the property. Mm hmmm. So we've looked at
Speaker 13: like we've got a heat pump, dehumidifier, that sort of
Speaker 13: thing in the air. Now we're looking at maybe an
Speaker 13: hr V, but to to keep the property warm the HRV,
Speaker 13: now we've got concrete tolls on the roof with no
Speaker 13: paper underneath for the envelope and the ceiling which will
Speaker 13: be pumping and cold here. Yes, you know, like during
Speaker 13: the night.
Speaker 6: I have to say I've never really relied on if
Speaker 6: you look at it thermodynamics basically, and you go, what
Speaker 6: does it take to transfer heat from one area to another?
Speaker 6: And often doing so through almost zero thermal efficiency in
Speaker 6: deducting that we use in many cases and so on.
Speaker 6: It's never really stacked up for me. Right. So, while
Speaker 6: there is a huge benefit to having a ventilation system
Speaker 6: in the house the whole, unless there's it's a proper,
Speaker 6: properly installed heat recovery system, which is different to you know,
Speaker 6: drawing warm air from your roof space and distributing it around.
Speaker 6: I think you've got to be You've got to do
Speaker 6: quite a lot of reading about the claims and about
Speaker 6: the effectiveness of the systems, saying that I think you're
Speaker 6: onto something when you say, look, we've done some work
Speaker 6: to ensure that we don't get gaps and drafts around
Speaker 6: our windows. We've done as much installation as we possibly
Speaker 6: can so as we make our living environment more and
Speaker 6: more air tight. And I'm even hesitant to use that
Speaker 6: word because you know, like within passive house design and
Speaker 6: high performance buildings, that's something that you're aiming for and
Speaker 6: you're measuring it right. You're getting an actual, specific number
Speaker 6: that you can attach to your house that proves that
Speaker 6: it's actually air tight. And unless you're doing like a
Speaker 6: blower door test and those sorts of things, I don't
Speaker 6: think you should, really any of us should make claims
Speaker 6: around this building's airtight or moving towards air tightness without
Speaker 6: actually being able to prove it. So but in general,
Speaker 6: when you compare and I was talking about this with
Speaker 6: someone the other day, actually Storm, who's going to join
Speaker 6: us on the show in a couple of weeks time.
Speaker 6: So nineteen sixties construction timber framing, elevated timber subfloor with
Speaker 6: a concrete basement or concrete block wall as the foundation
Speaker 6: with very little ventilation right, couple of small grills. Then
Speaker 6: you've got timber framing, no insulation in the timber walls
Speaker 6: because of the age, no building paper on the outside,
Speaker 6: and then a cavity and then brickwork, so there's a
Speaker 6: lot of air flowing through that environment right through those.
Speaker 6: And then you've got a concrete tile roof which is
Speaker 6: probably sixty odd years old. So it means that all
Speaker 6: of the glaze has gone off there, and I suspect
Speaker 6: that every time it rains that roof is going to
Speaker 6: absorb moisture because it's not just sheeting off, right, So
Speaker 6: you go, that's my environment. Now what can I do
Speaker 6: without completely rebuilding the building? What can I do to
Speaker 6: change the indoor environment so that I've got less issue
Speaker 6: with mold? In that instance, you're kind of fighting a
Speaker 6: bit of a losing battle because there's so many other
Speaker 6: things that are wrong with the building that it's hard.
Speaker 6: You know, we're seeing the end result being the mold
Speaker 6: inside the house, but the reason for the mold is
Speaker 6: probably just the type of building that it is. But
Speaker 6: in your situation, if you've added insulation, if you've sorted
Speaker 6: out draft proofing. You've obviously got a fixed form of
Speaker 6: heating inside the house with the heat pump. You've added
Speaker 6: the dehumidifier, which will help to extract moisture from the air,
Speaker 6: but it does nothing about why that moisture is in
Speaker 6: the air. So you're you're you're responding to a problem
Speaker 6: without solving the problem because the dehumidifier, I guess solves
Speaker 6: the symptom, but it doesn't solve the problem.
Speaker 14: So that's part of the heat pump, you know, it's
Speaker 14: a three and one. Oh yeah, But then but then
Speaker 14: if yeah, people don't use the dehumidifier, and if they
Speaker 14: don't open windows to have circulation to dry the inside out, Yeah,
Speaker 14: that's where the issue is, isn't it.
Speaker 13: But then you know, with things like low during the
Speaker 13: day to dry out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and look, I'm a huge fan and of you know,
Speaker 6: those really simple things like if it's a good day,
Speaker 6: like even yesterday, right, the weather got up to despite
Speaker 6: the rain that we had in Auckland, the temperature got
Speaker 6: up to a reasonable amount in the afternoon, so we
Speaker 6: open up the doors and just let the house breathe.
Speaker 6: But then you also, at a certain point you need
Speaker 6: to be aware and you go, actually, it's cooling down outside.
Speaker 6: So my house is warmed up a little bit during
Speaker 6: the day. I've ventilated it a little bit. I've got
Speaker 6: some fresh air into it, which is great. But now
Speaker 6: as I noticed that, I was walking past the window
Speaker 6: that was open, and suddenly it's a bit cooler. Okay,
Speaker 6: now's the time to close the window. Trap some of
Speaker 6: that heat that we've gained, because that's a benefit to
Speaker 6: me because then I don't have to put the heating
Speaker 6: on till later in the day or later at night.
Speaker 6: But if you're not actively engaged with controlling your environment
Speaker 6: by opening doors and windows, closing blinds and all those
Speaker 6: sorts of things, then it's not unreasonable to go, let's
Speaker 6: have a system that helps us control that environce and
Speaker 6: that's where ventilation systems, whether it's positive pressure, balance pressure,
Speaker 6: heat recovery ones. You know, we're starting to talk more
Speaker 6: and more about them, which I think is really really good,
Speaker 6: and there are some examples of like really good systems
Speaker 6: that are out there that will change the quality of
Speaker 6: the indoor environment considerably. But let's not delude ourselves. These
Speaker 6: systems at this stage are also quite expensive.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's that's the thing. You know, it's everything you're doing,
Speaker 13: it's it's all cost it is. But then if people
Speaker 13: don't use that system, then you know, it's like a
Speaker 13: heat pump for instance, you know, like running the heat
Speaker 13: pump because of the cost of it. That's a thing.
Speaker 13: But it's just the basic things of opening a window
Speaker 13: or like you say, drapes and things when the sun
Speaker 13: does go down to keep that warming.
Speaker 6: That's right, yep. But these these things require they require
Speaker 6: a certain level of awareness right on the part of
Speaker 6: the occupant of the property, whether that's the owner of
Speaker 6: a property or a tenant living in a rented property.
Speaker 6: So it requires us to be informed right to know
Speaker 6: how to operate, you know, in the same way that
Speaker 6: I was going to say, we you know, you might
Speaker 6: read the ownership manual of a car. I don't think
Speaker 6: any of us ever do. But you know, houses do
Speaker 6: have a manual. Ideally this this is these are the
Speaker 6: things that you should be doing inside your house to
Speaker 6: create a really good environment. But I don't know that
Speaker 6: we're teaching that that much.
Speaker 13: So do we need to look at a different system?
Speaker 6: Do we look I think take the time again, I
Speaker 6: pointed out to Eric before the news, you know, like
Speaker 6: I've been reading well, because I'm an LVP, I get
Speaker 6: the brand's magazine, the build magazine, and you know, typically
Speaker 6: they arrive in the little box and you kind of
Speaker 6: it to one side, but I make the effort now
Speaker 6: to go when it arrives that I actually flick through
Speaker 6: and read some of the articles, and they're really topical
Speaker 6: and current. You can find articles from brands online as well,
Speaker 6: so just do a search one day when you've got
Speaker 6: an hour to spend and go through and read some
Speaker 6: of the brand's articles. There's other groups like the Healthy
Speaker 6: Home Movement. They're starting to write a lot about ventilation.
Speaker 6: My understanding is there's actually going to be like an
Speaker 6: industry lead lobby group that's being formed as well to
Speaker 6: talk about ventilation and just kind of wrap your head
Speaker 6: around the different concepts in terms of, you know, what's
Speaker 6: a negative PreCure system, what's a balanced pressure system, what's
Speaker 6: a positive pressure system, how do they all work, and
Speaker 6: what's going to work best for me? Because I think
Speaker 6: our housing stock is quite variable. You know, I'm in
Speaker 6: an old villa, so I've got lots of drafts in
Speaker 6: my house because that's just the nature of them. My
Speaker 6: solution is probably going to be a little bit different
Speaker 6: to perhaps a solution if I was in a relatively
Speaker 6: new build where I've got timber framing, I've got building wrap,
Speaker 6: i might have aluminium jewinery which is well sealed. I've
Speaker 6: got air seals around the windows. I've sealed all the
Speaker 6: penetrations for the different services. I might have roofing underlay,
Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera. It's well insulated. I'm going to
Speaker 6: need a slightly different system than it for what I
Speaker 6: need for an older house.
Speaker 13: Mm hmm. You know this particular property exit that's got
Speaker 13: both that's got wooden jewinry and wooden sashism and plus
Speaker 13: the aluminium jewinery and they both, Yeah, the performance is
Speaker 13: exactly the same because it's not double glazed to see.
Speaker 13: So it's the other issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 13: And then also the ceiling. We've got the ceiling with
Speaker 13: the overlay, you know it's got that's been topped up. Yes,
Speaker 13: But then we had a contractor in the you know,
Speaker 13: trying to find stuff underneath that.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I like, yeah, yeah, so Sack, you can't find anything.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 6: The other thing to look at, Doug, is that some
Speaker 6: councils around the country. Hopefully all of the territorial authorities
Speaker 6: offer a Eco Design Advisor service, and I think the
Speaker 6: initial consultation is free, so have a look for that.
Speaker 6: In fact, I'm aware that their conference is coming up
Speaker 6: soon for the Eco Design Advisors. So you know, it's
Speaker 6: about trying to get impartial, informed advice about these issues.
Speaker 6: So you know, you've you've obviously decided that you want
Speaker 6: to try and figure out what's going to work best
Speaker 6: for your house, which is awesome, and now it's a
Speaker 6: question of okay, well where can I go to find
Speaker 6: ideally independent advice, So check it out online, have a
Speaker 6: look at whether your local council offers this Eco Design
Speaker 6: Advisors advice. All that's good, all of this, enjoyed the reading,
Speaker 6: Take care, Thanks horrible all this your news talks, they'd
Speaker 6: be we'd take a short break. We'll be back with
Speaker 6: Terry in a moment. If you'd like to join us.
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Speaker 6: how are you?
Speaker 12: Terry?
Speaker 9: Love you here?
Speaker 6: Can you hear me now I can indeed, Yeah.
Speaker 15: I love you, Shan, try and catch you in a
Speaker 15: rude every morning every Sunday we just call earliest. I've
Speaker 15: had a HIV put in my roof recently on the
Speaker 15: same situation as him sixties here spriptile roof and I'm
Speaker 15: surprised in no installation and no building paper in the roof,
Speaker 15: But I was surprised to find out how much heapy
Speaker 15: was in the which comes through and pushed down, as
Speaker 15: it was quite good just for that for him to
Speaker 15: give them the feedback that helps his decision or whatever.
Speaker 6: Again, you know, I mean I know that, you know,
Speaker 6: like I've got thermostats inside the house, so I can
Speaker 6: measure temperature inside the house and the hallway and temperature
Speaker 6: inside the roof space. And you know, during summer there
Speaker 6: can be a considerable variation between that, right as in
Speaker 6: my roof space it's a corrigodrone roof, it's you know,
Speaker 6: it would probably get close to forty degrees up there,
Speaker 6: and so you know the idea of capturing that and
Speaker 6: pushing it down, it's that what that variation in temperature
Speaker 6: is and what expectation you might have of how much
Speaker 6: that would raise the temperature inside the house, whereas I
Speaker 6: think the greater benefit is not really around heat gain,
Speaker 6: it's all about warming the house. It's probably, in my mind,
Speaker 6: more about the actual ventilation. And then there's there's systems
Speaker 6: now which will draw air from outside, pass it through
Speaker 6: a heat exchanger and then push that into dry areas
Speaker 6: of the house and extract from damp areas or wet
Speaker 6: areas of the house. They're also quite good systems, so
Speaker 6: that's a sort of balanced pressure type system. But look,
Speaker 6: I think the fact that we're starting to talk about them,
Speaker 6: I think that it should be something that should probably
Speaker 6: be included in updates to the New Zealand Building Code.
Speaker 6: That again, if we look at how we're building today,
Speaker 6: while we're not we're aiming for houses that are less drafty,
Speaker 6: we're still a long way from being air tight. You know.
Speaker 6: It is having an impact, all of the changes to
Speaker 6: the building code and how we build today versus how
Speaker 6: we even built thirty years ago, having a massive difference
Speaker 6: in terms of the indoor environment that we're able to create.
Speaker 6: But I think we need to focus a bit more
Speaker 6: on ventilation now.
Speaker 15: Yeah, you get to see something like that, I've been
Speaker 15: hanging around for quite a while before I made this decision,
Speaker 15: and I just couldn't find anything really that would do
Speaker 15: what I wanted.
Speaker 6: So how long have you installed the system?
Speaker 15: A couple of months so we hadn't seen the coldest
Speaker 15: all the winter, but even in the bedrooms sometimes at
Speaker 15: night the grandson would say, it's cold, and your grandad,
Speaker 15: but it just gets that condensation down. But you can, yep,
Speaker 15: it's like that. You can screw those vents closed a
Speaker 15: bit more of it was like that or something that's
Speaker 15: just on the see how west corner and that you
Speaker 15: get the condensation on the windows and running downd the
Speaker 15: walls where we're not getting that as much now. So
Speaker 15: we're not getting that now. So that was a positive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, And I mean that's that's where it's kind
Speaker 6: of exciting when you make a change like this, right,
Speaker 6: and then you see a positive outcome. So if you're
Speaker 6: in a house where you know, persistently during winter you're
Speaker 6: either you know, drying the windows off because of the condensation,
Speaker 6: or you're constantly battling mold growth on walls and that
Speaker 6: sort of thing, or you put your shoes away and
Speaker 6: then you take them out in summertime and they're covered
Speaker 6: in sort of a furry green moss, you know, and
Speaker 6: I've seen that in wardrobes and so on. You know,
Speaker 6: if suddenly your house isn't doing that, it's those are
Speaker 6: it's it's the classic canary and a coal mine, right.
Speaker 6: They those are signs that there's something within your lived
Speaker 6: environment that's not working, and if you can solve those problems,
Speaker 6: that's a huge win. Yeah, so good on you.
Speaker 12: It sounds exciting just some of the people just when
Speaker 12: you get a good day, but I leave your wardrope
Speaker 12: war open because they leave them closed and love and
Speaker 12: they get snow and through there.
Speaker 6: That's right. It's that fascinating combination, combination and intersection between
Speaker 6: what's really simple and what's really complex. And often, you know,
Speaker 6: what seems like really complex issues can be dealt with
Speaker 6: quite simply. And so you know, it sounds so incredibly
Speaker 6: it's kind of the classic teaching grandmother that to suck
Speaker 6: eggs sort of comment. But yeah, if it's a good day,
Speaker 6: open your doors and windows, leat your house, breathe. There's
Speaker 6: nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 6: Talking about your terry all the very best take mate, Then,
Speaker 6: now I'd better take a break. I think eight hundred
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Speaker 6: got a question of a building nature call us right now,
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty you and new Talks. There'd
Speaker 6: be Pete wolf Camp with you talking all things building construction.
Speaker 6: Quick text before we talk to Kate. Pete, you've just
Speaker 6: made my mind up. We were debating whether to rec
Speaker 6: condition a nineteen fifties concrete tile roof. Will replace it
Speaker 6: after your comment's about the glazing coming off the tiles.
Speaker 6: Ours look like the surface of a cinder block and
Speaker 6: we do battle mold in the house when reroofing with
Speaker 6: color steel. Should the roof replace the valleys as well
Speaker 6: as they would be about seventy years old, and also
Speaker 6: ze point five to five thickness the heavy or a
Speaker 6: lighter gauge. Thanks very much, Nick, couple of things on that,
Speaker 6: Please don't mistrew my comment. My comment about the concrete
Speaker 6: tile roof was the fact that this particular one, it's
Speaker 6: the original roof from I think nineteen sixty seven something
Speaker 6: like that. So yeah, the glaze that's often on concrete
Speaker 6: tiles has i would say, almost completely worn off. So
Speaker 6: I'm thinking that, you know, if the concrete, if it's
Speaker 6: a sunny day, the concrete will dry out as soon
Speaker 6: as it rains, A certain amount of that moisture will
Speaker 6: not shed off the concrete tiles will be absorbed into
Speaker 6: the concrete. That's obviously going to have an impact on
Speaker 6: the overall internal environment of that that structure, because there's
Speaker 6: all that moisture being trapped there. So reglazing or repainting
Speaker 6: that roof would also solve that problem. If, however, you
Speaker 6: do want to go ahead and replace your existing concrete
Speaker 6: tile roof with a color steel roof for a long
Speaker 6: run iron roof, then go right ahead. I'd have to
Speaker 6: point out too that that typically requires a building consent,
Speaker 6: so you know, in terms of schedule one of the
Speaker 6: act it's about like forul like and a concrete tile
Speaker 6: roof is not the same as a lightweight roof, like
Speaker 6: an iron roof. And again initially when you think about that,
Speaker 6: you go, yeah, but it's lighter, so it's going to
Speaker 6: be less impact and it has less impact on the
Speaker 6: weight of the building, the bracing elements and that sort
Speaker 6: of thing, which is true, except that what you do
Speaker 6: need to account for with installing an iron roof as
Speaker 6: opposed to a concrete roof is uplift. So typically you
Speaker 6: want to make sure that your perlins will need to
Speaker 6: be replaced because the batons that you've got for the
Speaker 6: concrete tile won't work for fixing roofing iron two, so
Speaker 6: you'll need to repurl in it. They need to be
Speaker 6: fixed to the rafters in such a way as to
Speaker 6: prevent uplift, and ideally it's an opportunity to go through
Speaker 6: and refix all of the rafters or trusses down to
Speaker 6: the top plate also to prevent uplift. And those sorts
Speaker 6: of things are structural, so they'll trigger a requirement for
Speaker 6: a building consent should be a relatively straightforward process, but
Speaker 6: it does, in my opinion, trigger the requirement. And point
Speaker 6: five to five is the heavier gauge. So there's point
Speaker 6: four to five and point five to five, and I look,
Speaker 6: point four to five is absolutely fine. Typically I've gone
Speaker 6: for point five five because if somebody has to go
Speaker 6: on the roof later on and they're a bit of
Speaker 6: a muppet and they don't know where to stand, then
Speaker 6: there's a little less likelihood of them damaging the roofing.
Speaker 6: If they don't know what they're doing. Oh eight hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty. They shouldn't be u there if they don't
Speaker 6: know what they're doing. But hey, I've been on plenty
Speaker 6: of roofs where there's a lot of damage from contractors
Speaker 6: who have stomped around installing TV aeriels and vents and
Speaker 6: sky dishes and all the rest of it. So yeah,
Speaker 6: there are ways of moving around the roof without damaging it,
Speaker 6: but not everybody seems to know that. Oh eight one
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty, ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 6: Kate A very good morning.
Speaker 17: Morning, Pete, good morning, great be able to seek your
Speaker 17: advice yet again, your s You've been helping me countless times.
Speaker 17: I'm building a seventy three square meter dwelling in Browns Bay.
Speaker 17: It's north facing and west facing, and I think this
Speaker 17: is on topic because my electrician, we've just got the
Speaker 17: joists and bearers in frames are going up when the
Speaker 17: sub floor goes down next week, so we're on the way. Awesome,
Speaker 17: But electrician, yes it is. Electrician has advised considering heat
Speaker 17: transfer system. Now this has the front of the house
Speaker 17: with raged ceilings. It's to about sixteen degrees. I think
Speaker 17: the rear of the hoe has flat ceilings. I've got
Speaker 17: a gas fire in the front, and I might add
Speaker 17: a heat pump, and it's one big living area. And
Speaker 17: then I've got these two little bedrooms that I'm thinking,
Speaker 17: how am I going to heat them? And am I
Speaker 17: better just to put a panel heater in there? Or
Speaker 17: someone is this electrician suggests a heat transfer a system,
Speaker 17: but it doesn't have a big cavity in the ceiling
Speaker 17: because it's rap so I'd have to I assume pipe
Speaker 17: this and then and then put it through the wall
Speaker 17: into the room or does it go down loads is
Speaker 17: a wall cavity and I've got I've got noise bats
Speaker 17: through the wall, so it's well insulated.
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 17: ABC join.
Speaker 6: That's It's a fascinating question. I some of the heat
Speaker 6: transfer systems I'm I'm dubious about in the sense that,
Speaker 6: you know, one of the things that I've started come
Speaker 6: to real and the reading that I've been doing recently
Speaker 6: is air is a really good insulator, right, so air
Speaker 6: is a great way of stopping heat transfer, and yet
Speaker 6: we're talking about using air to transfer heat, which it
Speaker 6: doesn't want to do because it's really bad at doing it,
Speaker 6: and I'm being quite blunt here, so I think with
Speaker 6: a building like what you're building, you now have the
Speaker 6: perfect opportunity to do a really good job with the
Speaker 6: timber framing, a wrap around the outside, installing quality joinery,
Speaker 6: effective double glazing, air ceiling around the window, putting good
Speaker 6: insulation in the underfloor, putting good insulation into the ceiling.
Speaker 6: I don't know that heating is going to be a
Speaker 6: big issue in your dwelling. If you've got a fixed
Speaker 6: form of heating with a gas fire, as long as
Speaker 6: it's properly ventilated and doesn't cause moisture to build up
Speaker 6: inside there as a result of burning gas, then I
Speaker 6: think that you're your bigger concern for that type of
Speaker 6: building built to modern standard is probably going to be
Speaker 6: around overheating, depending on whether you've got eaves that shade
Speaker 6: some of the summer heat or whether you've got I
Speaker 6: would be focusing on ventilation, and I think for a
Speaker 6: small bedroom that might be on the south side of
Speaker 6: the house, double glazed, well insulated, well constructed a small
Speaker 6: panel heater just to raise the temperature there in the
Speaker 6: winter months for a relatively short period of time, give
Speaker 6: it and being this is very specific advice to your property, because,
Speaker 6: as you said, you're in Auckland, it's a new build,
Speaker 6: it's relatively compact. I think that ventilation, having a some
Speaker 6: form of ventilation that draws fresh air into or pushes
Speaker 6: fresh air into your living spaces and extracts moist air
Speaker 6: from where your kitchen, laundry and bathroom might be and
Speaker 6: ducts that to the outside. That's what I'd be focusing on.
Speaker 17: So you're speaking of basic extractor fans for.
Speaker 6: Year or possibly having a linked system, so a system
Speaker 6: that that So ideally what we're trying to do is
Speaker 6: create an airflow inside the house that pushes fresh, dry
Speaker 6: air or air from outside that might be filtered or
Speaker 6: cleansed in some way into your habitable spaces, right what
Speaker 6: we might call our dry areas. And then as that
Speaker 6: comes into the building, it then puts pressure on the
Speaker 6: wet areas. So imagine air flowing into your living room,
Speaker 6: possibly into your main bedroom and so on. And then
Speaker 6: at the same time you've got active extraction happening all
Speaker 6: of the time in those areas that typically we have
Speaker 6: more moisture in, so bathrooms, laundryes, kitchens, so as air
Speaker 6: is being drawn into the house into the dry areas,
Speaker 6: it's being extracted out of those wet areas, and so
Speaker 6: you've got this obviously invisible, constant movement of air that
Speaker 6: is drawing in fresh air and extracting moist air out
Speaker 6: of the building all of the time.
Speaker 17: That's the sort of system. Is that an HRV or
Speaker 17: DVS type system.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Look, you know, with the growst respect to them, they've
Speaker 6: they've kind of come to dominate the market. There are
Speaker 6: other systems by other manufacturers that are out there as well,
Speaker 6: and there is some subtlety around how all of these
Speaker 6: systems work. Not all of them have that combination of
Speaker 6: air in and air out. Air into a dry space,
Speaker 6: air out of a damp space. So you do do
Speaker 6: some reading around it. And you know, again I think
Speaker 6: your electricians onto something in terms of saying put some
Speaker 6: ventilation in. Again, I don't know that you're going to
Speaker 6: get massive benefit out of heat recovery or heat transfer.
Speaker 6: This notion that we're going to take warm air from
Speaker 6: one part of a house and duct it to another
Speaker 6: part of a house. You'll get airflow, which is a benefit.
Speaker 6: Whether you get actual heating out of that, I don't know.
Speaker 6: So the benefit for me would be the airflow. And
Speaker 6: you can deal in Auckland with a well inserted building
Speaker 6: with the heating quite simply by other means.
Speaker 17: Yeah, thank you. So if I decide later on I
Speaker 17: want to put a heat pump in, that can just
Speaker 17: be retrospectively installed. It doesn't have to go in.
Speaker 6: You could. But at the same time, I mean, if
Speaker 6: you're thinking about a heat pump and you know there's
Speaker 6: some real advantages to having one. For example, I think
Speaker 6: in particular again with Auckland's climate, a heat pump will
Speaker 6: be a benefit and asset to you in terms of
Speaker 6: cooling right over the summer months when we do get
Speaker 6: those days where the humidity gets up and it becomes
Speaker 6: kind of uncomfortable. So and again, because you've got to
Speaker 6: do penetrations and services, if you're thinking about doing one
Speaker 6: in the future, it's going to be far cheaper to
Speaker 6: do one now, okay if you can. I know budget
Speaker 6: is always important, but you know, given that you've got
Speaker 6: to run electrical cable, you've got to run ducting, you've
Speaker 6: got to run services to the outside condensate pipes and
Speaker 6: so on, it's far easier to do it as you're constructing.
Speaker 7: So oh that's good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a false to be blunt. It's a false
Speaker 6: economy to think I'll do it later on. It will
Speaker 6: never be cheaper than doing it right now while you're building.
Speaker 17: Yeah, good, good advice. Can I add in one more
Speaker 17: question point about noise? So next door there's another dwelling
Speaker 17: and I've got people living next door who're very noisy
Speaker 17: with a car, and it's single blazing where that dwelling is.
Speaker 17: Is there anything I can do besides retrofits some double
Speaker 17: glazing to stop this noisy car coming into a bedroom
Speaker 17: at night. I just don't know what to do about it.
Speaker 6: This is obviously not in the new seventy three square.
Speaker 17: At a new build the same section.
Speaker 6: Just you know, you can get more acoustically effective glazing,
Speaker 6: so whether that's double glazing or simply going for a laminate,
Speaker 6: So you'll get acoustic performance out of a laminate as well,
Speaker 6: so glass then a laminated layer and then another layer
Speaker 6: of glass. Certainly you can get acoustic performance out of
Speaker 6: double glazing as well, So there's two options there really.
Speaker 6: But then you know, as soon as you stop the
Speaker 6: sound traveling through the glazing, it'll find somewhere else to go,
Speaker 6: so it'll migrate through the walls, it'll go and gaps
Speaker 6: and cracks around the window, joinery, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 6: The other mitigating factor is sometimes actually planting can be
Speaker 6: reasonably well, can do something to sort of baffle noise
Speaker 6: from a neighbor, but ideally you'd want to. Ideally you'd
Speaker 6: be pulling wall lining off, putting in a houstic insulation
Speaker 6: into the walls, sealing all the gaps and cracks around
Speaker 6: the joinery, and uplade, upgrading the glazing and that will
Speaker 6: help as well. But planting is surprisingly effective as well.
Speaker 17: It's a parking area, so it can't but thank.
Speaker 6: You, right, yeah, but even if you've got like half
Speaker 6: a meter or so and you were to do you know,
Speaker 6: some planting in there, that would Okay, it's not unattractive either.
Speaker 6: Enjoy the process and thank you. I know that building
Speaker 6: can be stressful and all the rest of it, but
Speaker 6: at the same time, enjoy it. I'm sure it will
Speaker 6: be a great process.
Speaker 17: I have a great team and that's the key.
Speaker 3: That's the key.
Speaker 6: Fabulous, I'm sure.
Speaker 17: Pleasure your father's day.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Kate, and thank you all the
Speaker 6: this bye by thing. We'll take short break back in
Speaker 6: a moment quick text before the news, Pete, can you
Speaker 6: advise do I need a council consent to remove garage
Speaker 6: store and fit a ranch slider from D I suspect so,
Speaker 6: because I suspect that what you're doing is change of use.
Speaker 6: I that's going to become instead of a garage, a
Speaker 6: habitable space. And if that is the case, then yes,
Speaker 6: that triggers a requirement for a change of use. So
Speaker 6: check that out with your local council. A couple more
Speaker 6: texts will come to those straight after the break. Lots
Speaker 6: of discussion around heat pumps and ventilation, so we'll carry
Speaker 6: on with that and remember rid cliin past in with
Speaker 6: us at eight thirty your news talk CB, Welcome back
Speaker 6: to the program. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
Speaker 6: is the number to call pet Wolf camp here right
Speaker 6: through till nine o'clock. We can jump into the garden
Speaker 6: with arid Cline pass at around eight point thirty. We
Speaker 6: may even bring that forward because we got a bit
Speaker 6: to talk about today. So last week on the program,
Speaker 6: over the last little while, we've talked about this population
Speaker 6: of barn owls right, which has become native to Northland
Speaker 6: and migrating their way south, which is caused a great
Speaker 6: deal of excitement and our household for some reason, and
Speaker 6: ages ago, I said to look, do you have a
Speaker 6: plan for an owl box, as in somewhere for them
Speaker 6: to call home? And he did. He sent me through
Speaker 6: some plans. I've mentioned it a couple of times, never
Speaker 6: got round to actually making one, and I promised on
Speaker 6: the show last week that I would make one this week,
Speaker 6: which I've done, and in fact I ended up making
Speaker 6: two because he sent me two different drawings, one for
Speaker 6: a Dutch design which is elongated and rather spacious, and
Speaker 6: another one for an English design which is slightly more compact,
Speaker 6: but interestingly enough two storied. So I've got a single
Speaker 6: level dwelling and a multi story dwelling, and I have
Speaker 6: one with a door and one with a detachable roof,
Speaker 6: one with a tunnel, and one with offset entries, because
Speaker 6: it's all about apparently making sure that the environment is
Speaker 6: dark and cozy for them. Two ways to achieve that.
Speaker 6: One way is having these two entries that are offset
Speaker 6: so that the light can't shine through. The other is
Speaker 6: to create a tunnel. Anyway, I've built both of them
Speaker 6: and spilt some blood in the process, but that's another
Speaker 6: story anyway. So we're going to talk about those, and
Speaker 6: if you're interested to see one of them, it's up
Speaker 6: on my Facebook page. I will put up a slightly
Speaker 6: more detailed post about that a little bit later on
Speaker 6: today as well, So we will be talking about that
Speaker 6: with it. But if you'd like to build something that
Speaker 6: humans can live in and you'd like to talk about that,
Speaker 6: then the lines are open right now. Oh, eight hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty. A lot of talk this morning
Speaker 6: about ventilation, about heat pumps, about heat recovery system about
Speaker 6: heat transfer systems, and trying to suppose upgrade the code
Speaker 6: to allow for this. It's not required in the code
Speaker 6: bar the requirement to ventilate, which is having a window
Speaker 6: that opens, a window that can open or the opening
Speaker 6: size must be five percent of the floor space. But
Speaker 6: there's a problem with that as well. So typically if
Speaker 6: you've got a room and it's let's say it's a
Speaker 6: ten square meter room, then you have to have a
Speaker 6: window that opens once that half a met half a
Speaker 6: square meter opening. But then you find that that opening
Speaker 6: size is calculated on the window opening completely, but if
Speaker 6: you can fall further than a meter in the threshold
Speaker 6: is less than seven sixty you have to have a
Speaker 6: restrict stay. So you have a window that technically complies
Speaker 6: with the ventilation standards, but because you can't open the
Speaker 6: window completely, in fact your ventilation area is considerably less,
Speaker 6: so it doesn't It then doesn't comply, but it does
Speaker 6: comply with other parts of the building Code. There is
Speaker 6: some overlap there which is not helpful. But apart from
Speaker 6: extraction from laundries, kitchens, bathrooms, no, you don't even need
Speaker 6: extraction from a laundry necessarily, but you do need ventilation.
Speaker 6: There's no other record for ventilation. We're talking about houses
Speaker 6: that are increasingly as we build better moving towards air tightness,
Speaker 6: and so the requirement to bring in fresh air and
Speaker 6: control moisture inside the building. I think it's more and
Speaker 6: more critical. Hence ventilation systems, active ventilation systems that can
Speaker 6: be installed. We've had lots of discussion about that, and
Speaker 6: a bit about planning as well. It's always a bit
Speaker 6: of a contentious issue. A couple of people of text
Speaker 6: and we were talking about a story that was in
Speaker 6: The Herald earlier this week. Written by Bernard Oorsman about
Speaker 6: a homeowner in Green Bay who was shocked, surprised, and
Speaker 6: upset that council had allowed for a development occurring across
Speaker 6: the road to then drill underneath the road down their driveway,
Speaker 6: install a new manhole to provide access to the wastebaterlone
Speaker 6: which happened to be pretty much right outside their front door.
Speaker 6: No contact and certainly no permission requested or given by
Speaker 6: the homeowner for this to happen, And all of this
Speaker 6: requirement for additional stormwater connection came from the fact that
Speaker 6: a single dwelling across the road on a corner site
Speaker 6: had been removed and councilord granted permission for eight townhouses
Speaker 6: to go on an eight hundred and twelve square meter
Speaker 6: site in a effectively a suburban street. You may have
Speaker 6: a comment on that as well. Oh eight hundred eighty
Speaker 6: ten eighty is the number to call a couple of
Speaker 6: quick texts on this morning peak question for you, as
Speaker 6: we want to do both. If you had to decide
Speaker 6: which to do first, between a heat pump and a
Speaker 6: home ventilation system, which one would you do first? From
Speaker 6: grant grant, I would not answer that without asking a
Speaker 6: whole bunch of other questions, things like you know, what's
Speaker 6: your house constructed of and whereabouts are you So if
Speaker 6: it's an older house that's got, like my old house,
Speaker 6: very little in the way of draft proofing, and I've
Speaker 6: tried to insulate and so on, but it's still a
Speaker 6: drafty kind of house, then I would be looking at
Speaker 6: a different type of ventilation system and maybe a different
Speaker 6: type of heating system. So I think it's really about
Speaker 6: having someone do an assessment of your house. It's construction,
Speaker 6: it's methodology, it's standards in terms of either air tightness
Speaker 6: or insulation or location is another big thing. If you're
Speaker 6: in the South Island and it's really cold, versus if
Speaker 6: you're in the far North where perhaps like Auckland, for example,
Speaker 6: So much of our focus has been on making our
Speaker 6: houses warmer, which is good. Our houses need to be
Speaker 6: at a temperature that allows us to be healthy. But
Speaker 6: for example, in Auckland, we have more cooling days than
Speaker 6: we do have heating days. In general, if what we're
Speaker 6: looking for is an optimum of let's say twenty degrees,
Speaker 6: that's an optimum temperature for our houses to be. Typically
Speaker 6: in Auckland, we have more days where we need to
Speaker 6: cool our houses to achieve twenty degrees than we do
Speaker 6: have days where we need to heat our houses in
Speaker 6: order to achieve twenty degrees. So if you're in Auckland,
Speaker 6: the focus is probably going to be on heat control
Speaker 6: and potentially cooling for comfort rather than necessarily heating. Now
Speaker 6: that flips over, of course if you're in parts of
Speaker 6: the South Island or Central North Island and so on.
Speaker 6: That's why we've got these very specific climatic zones as
Speaker 6: part of the building code now, so all of these
Speaker 6: questions have got to be responsive to the actual environment.
Speaker 6: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty gives called out. We're
Speaker 6: talking to it at around eight thirty, but we've got
Speaker 6: time for your building questions right now. I eight hundred
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty something use forgot to mention or I'm
Speaker 6: late to the party in terms of this is a
Speaker 6: tool issue. So for a number of years now, I've
Speaker 6: watched tradees arrive and unpack their track saws to do
Speaker 6: all sorts of work, whether it's cutting sheets or bench
Speaker 6: tops or that sort of thing, and I've kind of
Speaker 6: to be blunt, I've kind of poop pooed it a
Speaker 6: little bit, you know, as in, look, i've got a
Speaker 6: straight edge, I can clamp it down, i can run
Speaker 6: the skill saw along, I've got a table saw. Or
Speaker 6: basically you should just be better at what you do
Speaker 6: and be able to cut a straight line. And then
Speaker 6: a little while ago, the guys that dropped me off
Speaker 6: their track saw, which is fairly new for them. And
Speaker 6: so these little ol boxes that I've been building, which
Speaker 6: you will not be surprised, I'm delighted to the fact
Speaker 6: that I didn't have to spend a cent building them
Speaker 6: because I had off cuts of plywood and stuff like
Speaker 6: that made the whole thing using track saw. All of
Speaker 6: the angles, all of the cuts, everything for these little
Speaker 6: olboxes all done with a track and I kind of go,
Speaker 6: why didn't I get onto this earlier? So if you're wondering, yes,
Speaker 6: they are actually incredibly useful and I've really really enjoyed
Speaker 6: using it, which has been a bit of an earth
Speaker 6: shift moment for me. I have to say, right, oh,
Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
Speaker 6: call Veronica.
Speaker 18: Greetings, good morning, Pete. How are you heaven by this day?
Speaker 6: Thank you very much God.
Speaker 18: I have a question because you're talking about our ventilation.
Speaker 18: We've got an a frame house, yes, that has no
Speaker 18: roof cavity, so it's right down to the ground as
Speaker 18: an a frame, and we're giving condensation insight, and we
Speaker 18: literally don't know what to do anymore because nobody seems
Speaker 18: to be able to help us in terms of a
Speaker 18: ventilation system or some ideas, and just wondering if you
Speaker 18: can help.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, I can see why it's slightly
Speaker 6: more challenging because typically what we do is we you know,
Speaker 6: and houses. We've got a trust roof. It gives us
Speaker 6: a great big triangle of space and we put all
Speaker 6: of our ventilation systems in there. And you don't have
Speaker 6: that opportunity saying that, There are in wall ventilation systems
Speaker 6: that you can get, and there are some systems which
Speaker 6: are connected. So for example, at either end of the
Speaker 6: building where you've got your walls, you could add an
Speaker 6: integrated system there that talks to each other, so it
Speaker 6: monitors airflow and humidity and changes air coming in and
Speaker 6: going out, so air exchanges in a linked and controllable
Speaker 6: manner through those walls at either end of the building.
Speaker 6: Potentially you could in fact install ventilation through the roof effectively,
Speaker 6: which is your walls as well of a system there.
Speaker 6: The other thing is, so airflow is part of controlling condensation.
Speaker 6: The other thing is I guess it'll also come down
Speaker 6: to because I'm guessing with an a frame house, you
Speaker 6: basically got windows at both ends, a lot on the
Speaker 6: roof section.
Speaker 18: Yes, because the roof goes right down to the ground.
Speaker 6: So do you have any any penetration through that, dormers
Speaker 6: or anything like that.
Speaker 18: We've got windows. We've got a window in the kitchen,
Speaker 18: so the kitchen sort of in the middle. We have
Speaker 18: windows at the two bedrooms on the side, in the
Speaker 18: bathroom at the back, and then we've got a big
Speaker 18: runch larder at the front, and that is where most
Speaker 18: of the condensation lies. And we've got big windows up
Speaker 18: above it that have got no curtains or anything like that,
Speaker 18: and they're really hype. They can't reach them. I think
Speaker 18: someone measured to the top of about eight and a half.
Speaker 18: It's a huge space.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, one of the things obviously would
Speaker 6: be to look at double glazing. That if it's single glazed,
Speaker 6: you're going to get more likelihood of having condensation because
Speaker 6: the due point will end up on the inside of
Speaker 6: the glass and that that's where you're getting a condensation.
Speaker 6: Even if you put double glazing in, which would help,
Speaker 6: then you'd also want to look at ventilation. You'd want
Speaker 6: to look at temperature control inside the house. Again. You know,
Speaker 6: I wonder whether in this instance here where you're trying,
Speaker 6: you're looking at sort of an integrated system of fairly
Speaker 6: complex issues, right and you're trying to find a pathway
Speaker 6: through that is have a look at the eco design
Speaker 6: service that counsels offer. And the other option is to
Speaker 6: look at the New Zealand Green Building Council have home
Speaker 6: Star technicians or home Star assesses as well, again who
Speaker 6: are kind of experts in this field, and you could
Speaker 6: invite one of them to come and do an assessment
Speaker 6: of your property and give you some independent advice. Okay,
Speaker 6: all right, so check out those when.
Speaker 18: You asked, when you're saying about the double glazing, is
Speaker 18: double blazing triple glazing? Is there any advantage or I think.
Speaker 6: In the most instances you can achieve the performance with
Speaker 6: double glazing like low eglass and argon filled glass and
Speaker 6: that sort of thing that you would get in most
Speaker 6: instances that you know, like triple glazing obviously sounds better,
Speaker 6: but you can achieve almost all of it with double
Speaker 6: glazing in most situations. So I presume you're not in
Speaker 6: the south lower part of the South Island or the
Speaker 6: central North Island.
Speaker 18: No, no bere on White Island.
Speaker 6: So yeah, but it's you know, relatively benign climate, right,
Speaker 6: that's why you guys live on why Heck, because it's
Speaker 6: it's always a degree and a half warmer than Auckland,
Speaker 6: for example. So no, look, I think having a look
Speaker 6: at double glazing. But you know, I know Auckland Council
Speaker 6: do have an Eco Design advisor, and certainly there's plenty
Speaker 6: of home Star rated assesses in Auckland as well that
Speaker 6: you could call on. So much my pleasure, take care
Speaker 6: and Michael, greetings to you. Hey Michael, Hello, Michael, Michael
Speaker 6: Earth calling Michael. He wandered off me thinks hello, someone's
Speaker 6: listening to the radio going come on, you rang this
Speaker 6: guy up and now you've wandered off. We might come
Speaker 6: back to that in just a moment. Oh eight hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Someone's
Speaker 6: asked me my opinion on solar systems. Look, I think
Speaker 6: there's a huge benefit to going solar in terms of
Speaker 6: resilience if the grid does go down, and I mean, look,
Speaker 6: we're in an energy crisis right at the moment, so
Speaker 6: if you can provide your own power, there's got to
Speaker 6: be an advantage. And I think what's shifted for me
Speaker 6: most dramatically with solar, because it's something I've kind of
Speaker 6: been aware of obviously for a number of years, is
Speaker 6: around the reliability. So I think it's not untrue to
Speaker 6: say that, let's say fifteen twenty years ago, you'd install
Speaker 6: a solar system, you'd have the upfront col with the
Speaker 6: idea that there would be a payback, so after a
Speaker 6: period of time, the savings on your power bill would
Speaker 6: have paid for the install cost of the solar system.
Speaker 6: And to be blunt, typically that was take seven or
Speaker 6: eight years of savings to pay back for the system.
Speaker 6: But by that time the system was at the end
Speaker 6: of its lifespan. So there's no advantage really to doing that,
Speaker 6: whereas now, and I know life for solar for example,
Speaker 6: you know they're doing a twenty five year warranty on
Speaker 6: the panels. That's remarkable, and I know from having been
Speaker 6: involved with the installation of other systems, and that one
Speaker 6: and also that one that you know, the effectiveness is
Speaker 6: far greater as well. So yeah, I think it's something
Speaker 6: to seriously seriously consider. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
Speaker 6: the number to caour. We'll try Michael one more time. Hello, Michael, Hello,
Speaker 6: Hello there gotcha.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 7: I want to say Happy Father's Day from your son, Joseph.
Speaker 6: Fantastic. All right, very clever, very clever. Thank you mate.
Speaker 6: It's a pleasure. All right, I'll see soon. All right,
Speaker 6: take care. Right, we're going to be talking to Rid
Speaker 6: climb past and just a moment, if you've got a
Speaker 6: question for Ridd. If we're going to jump into the garden,
Speaker 6: we're going to talk all things gardening. He's been busy
Speaker 6: in the garden. I've been busy in the workshop. We'll
Speaker 6: talk to Rudd in just a moment. Oh, eight hundred
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty. If you'd like to join us, it
Speaker 6: is eight twenty five your news talks, they'd be and
Speaker 6: we're just standing by to jump into the garden with
Speaker 6: the red climb pass to be with us in just
Speaker 6: a moment. If you've got a question for Ridd eight
Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. One
Speaker 6: of the things we will talk about is this whole
Speaker 6: thing around the the L boxes. So there was a
Speaker 6: request actually came from my own house to build one
Speaker 6: of these in order to entice perhaps an OL to
Speaker 6: come and live at our place for a while, which
Speaker 6: would be awesome in any way, I went to the expert,
Speaker 6: which was Rude, and said, hey, can you send me
Speaker 6: some plans? Which he did. I think he'd forgotten, to
Speaker 6: be fair, that he sent me two different plans. Of course,
Speaker 6: I've built two different OL boxes and put up a
Speaker 6: little video of one of them, and I'll put up
Speaker 6: a little bit of an explanation about the two different
Speaker 6: OL boxes a little bit later on. So we'll try
Speaker 6: and get that sorted out. But if you've got a
Speaker 6: question for Rud, the lines are open and the number
Speaker 6: to call is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Just
Speaker 6: going to check in with a team that we've got Rude.
Speaker 6: Not yet, I can't hear.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 6: We'll come back to that in just a moment. A
Speaker 6: couple of other quick texts that have come in just
Speaker 6: before the break. I've talked about the soul before this
Speaker 6: from a sparky who was talking about installing, you know,
Speaker 6: like heat transferred systems. Before installing a heat transfer system
Speaker 6: asks a supply to show evidence of the temperature and
Speaker 6: the roof because of the construction type, there was no
Speaker 6: heat in my roof space, so they ended up declining.
Speaker 6: That's not to say there's not a benefit to putting
Speaker 6: ventilation in, which I think is really really important. And
Speaker 6: other text comes through, Hey, look, I've got a late
Speaker 6: nineteen eighties house with a concrete tile roof. There's no
Speaker 6: building paper or no roofing underlay underneath the roof. Is
Speaker 6: that normal? Is that okay? From Blair? Yep, that's still
Speaker 6: the case today in terms of the building coat. So
Speaker 6: if it's concrete tile roof with a pitch I think
Speaker 6: of greater than fifteen degrees, there is no requirement to
Speaker 6: put a roofing underlay underneath the concrete tile roof, mainly
Speaker 6: because there's not the same issues with condensation as you
Speaker 6: might have from a metal roof. If it's less than
Speaker 6: fifteen degrees, I believe there is a requirement to have
Speaker 6: a roofing underlay there. So hopefully that answers that one.
Speaker 6: And this is the classic response every time, and this
Speaker 6: has been the case for as long as I've been
Speaker 6: doing the show. Soon as we talk about, you know,
Speaker 6: making our houses warmer, more comfortable, dryer, et cetera, you know,
Speaker 6: I get a text that runs along the lines of, oh,
Speaker 6: come on, you know it was all right back in
Speaker 6: the day. Yeah, Well, all of the evidence would point
Speaker 6: that that's not the case. Actually, and some of the
Speaker 6: longitudinal studies, particularly out of the University of Targo's medical
Speaker 6: team who've done longitudinal studies on the health impact of
Speaker 6: living in poor damp conditions is massive. So our houses
Speaker 6: weren't great and they should be much better. Oh, eight
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty ten eighty, If you've got a question
Speaker 6: for it, I think we've got rid up on the line.
Speaker 3: Hey, get he, get he? Get making it? How's that?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 3: Hey, love, your love, your love. Your photos. I must
Speaker 3: say they're great.
Speaker 6: So let's indulge ourselves for a minute, because I did
Speaker 6: promise that i'd make one, and I have made it.
Speaker 6: But in fact I didn't make too because you sent
Speaker 6: me two different plans, right.
Speaker 3: So I think I sent you three.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, all right, well that means I'm going to
Speaker 6: make another one, which is fine, fair, I've had a.
Speaker 3: Great especially if you want barn owls.
Speaker 6: Yes, I do want barn owls specifically. What have I
Speaker 6: now built blood boxes that are not for barn ols?
Speaker 3: You built two boxes? Said no, no, the two boxes.
Speaker 3: One one is for the one that has got the
Speaker 3: offset instances is something that was designed for little owls,
Speaker 3: which had the German owl. They're actually small owls, very
Speaker 3: small owls.
Speaker 6: It's a very big box for a small.
Speaker 3: Owl I know, I know. And the other one is
Speaker 3: actually also a box for little owls, but probably ruru
Speaker 3: would go in there as well, which is of course
Speaker 3: our native rural owl. Yes, okay, the one for the
Speaker 3: and I sent them because I feared that for some
Speaker 3: reason you might not have either gotten it or looked
Speaker 3: at it. There's a third one from England which is
Speaker 3: slightly larger for the bar. The banyl is the largest
Speaker 3: of the three native owls, or the three owls that
Speaker 3: we have in New Zealand. But look, to be quite honest,
Speaker 3: a barno might go in the largest ones that you've
Speaker 3: built anyway, as long as it's got an entrance of
Speaker 3: something like thirteen fourteen centimeters diameter.
Speaker 6: Oh, okay, because all of the designs that I had
Speaker 6: said that the entranceway needs to be somewhere around seventy
Speaker 6: to eighty millimeters.
Speaker 3: That's right, and that is for little owls. And I've
Speaker 3: got little owls in my garden. You see the one
Speaker 3: that I sent you from the fasting We banned those.
Speaker 3: This is actually an owl that came from Europe. It's
Speaker 3: actually a Naedalance owl.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing. So here you go. The other thing
Speaker 3: that you were You're quite right by saying that Ponsonby
Speaker 3: Road is where we found somebody found an owl sitting
Speaker 3: there in a tree.
Speaker 6: Amazing.
Speaker 3: How cool is that?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? And I know I've seen some photographs Bayswater. I
Speaker 6: think that was rue that was sitting in the tree there.
Speaker 6: And then some people that I know over in beech
Speaker 6: Haven Way had a barn owl crash into the a
Speaker 6: pool glass and kind of wander around the deck slightly
Speaker 6: dazed as well, which is pretty awesome. Okay, well, look ill,
Speaker 6: I may have to. I've still got some plywood leftover,
Speaker 6: so make another one.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what now. But that is the cool
Speaker 3: thing that we're doing now because these there are other
Speaker 3: people that are making barny boxes, if you like, and
Speaker 3: and they they love that sort of idea because they're dry,
Speaker 3: they're high, they're protected, and it's all good. The other
Speaker 3: thing I was going to say is that for barnals
Speaker 3: there are two types of boxes. One that goes inside
Speaker 3: the barn, yes, because they love to live in human barns,
Speaker 3: and the other one is probably better for outside buns,
Speaker 3: but in trees and in such a way that they
Speaker 3: can have enough shelter from rain and all that sort
Speaker 3: of stuff. And the sun. It's another thing, of course,
Speaker 3: hanging them up in the right place. If you hang
Speaker 3: them in an area where there's always sun, especially in
Speaker 3: the summertime, you'll find that vinyls start to cook a bit.
Speaker 3: They get very very hot.
Speaker 6: Ah okay, because I must have one of the designs
Speaker 6: has got like a little balcony right.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly that's where you go sunbathing. But anyway, the
Speaker 3: point I love that. The point though, is that we
Speaker 3: have to be careful not to cook them too much.
Speaker 3: And the third thing I'd like to tell you that
Speaker 3: is something that we've just found out here in New Zealand.
Speaker 3: When those binyals got into Kaitaia in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: Is that these pears have three broods a year. Wow,
Speaker 3: So imagine it. Imagine that three times four. You with
Speaker 3: a bit of luck, that's twelve young and a year
Speaker 3: for just one pair.
Speaker 6: Fantastic, amazing. Isn't that just incredible?
Speaker 3: Just it?
Speaker 15: I love it.
Speaker 6: And I'll tell you what I was. Actually, I was
Speaker 6: at an event on Thursday night with Cactus, you know,
Speaker 6: the clothing manufacturers, right, New Zealand based clothing manufacturers. And Ben,
Speaker 6: who's one of the owners, was there. Now he actually
Speaker 6: sits on the board of Forest and Bird as well,
Speaker 6: so he's active. And we were talking about this whole
Speaker 6: thing where I guess as government funding for some community
Speaker 6: organizations dries up and conservation work dries up, in some cases,
Speaker 6: individuals are taking on the responsibility themselves and they're going, well, actually,
Speaker 6: we think that this is really important work, so we're
Speaker 6: just going to carry on and do it. Which is
Speaker 6: also and that you've been part of the space for
Speaker 6: a long time. I think, well that's so.
Speaker 3: Can we trust that sort of stuff? Yeah, absolutely, that's
Speaker 3: exactly what this is about. And and and and there's
Speaker 3: another group just actually I got an interesting called just
Speaker 3: before your missives online from Ethel mccullay. Now, most people
Speaker 3: who are in Christians will know Ethel McCully because he
Speaker 3: was one of the guys that ran the McCauley Garden
Speaker 3: Center see Chrusties for a long time. And it was
Speaker 3: something that we said last or sorry, something that I
Speaker 3: said last week when a woman drum rang up and
Speaker 3: said what would you do with what would you do
Speaker 3: with chicken manu? And said, I wouldn't use it. And
Speaker 3: here's Ethel. He's part of Rotary South Christians and they
Speaker 3: are selling chicken manure and he knows exactly what I mean.
Speaker 3: So he says, can you please tell people that again,
Speaker 3: chicken manure itself is not bad, but I would put
Speaker 3: it through a compost cycle first before I use it.
Speaker 3: And that makes so much sense, or diluted with good
Speaker 3: garden mix or you know that sort of stuff. So
Speaker 3: you don't go to the high faluting chicken manu and
Speaker 3: put it on your garden because that will burn your plants.
Speaker 3: Be very careful with that.
Speaker 6: Just quickly. And because it relates to Father's day, so
Speaker 6: dad was an avid My dad was an avid gardener
Speaker 6: as well, right, and so because we were, you know, duchies,
Speaker 6: and we knew the van Brinks down the road who
Speaker 6: had the chicken farm. Right, we would go and collect
Speaker 6: chicken compost manure from there, and Dad, I think, knew
Speaker 6: intuitively that you didn't put it straight on the garden.
Speaker 6: So he would go and collect a trailer load of
Speaker 6: chicken manure from down the road and we'd bring it home.
Speaker 6: And then he had at one stage it was like
Speaker 6: an old bath semi buried into the garden, and so
Speaker 6: he'd fill that up and he'd let it compost down
Speaker 6: and then he would use it, and in the meantime
Speaker 6: he put a kind of an old bit of plywood
Speaker 6: over the top of it. Anyway, I can remember as
Speaker 6: a kid forgetting that there was a plywood lit on
Speaker 6: there the ply would it obviously rotted. I ended up
Speaker 6: knee deep in the pooh. This whole pay.
Speaker 3: And just an Ivan Brink fam One of those people
Speaker 3: married one of our my what is his brother in law?
Speaker 6: The road between Oppertoy and Worry. Yeah, Eve, let's talk
Speaker 6: to some people. Mike A very good morning, good.
Speaker 19: Morning, how are you good things? That's good, that's good. Hey,
Speaker 19: My wife two kids were moving from see what can
Speaker 19: I dance the Central Otago? Yeah, I was wanting to
Speaker 19: know what we should be planning at this time of
Speaker 19: the year and side a gardening tunnel.
Speaker 3: Where in Central Otago are you?
Speaker 19: We will be moving to rein Freley.
Speaker 3: Ren Freury. Okay, okay, so you do get big frosts and.
Speaker 19: Things like that as far as I'm a yes.
Speaker 3: Yes you will. Okay. You know what is probably the
Speaker 3: best thing to do, Mike, and it's and and I'm
Speaker 3: not joking, is to go for a walk around where
Speaker 3: you are. You know, go to Renfairly town, see who
Speaker 3: has got the nicest gardens? What is the stuff that
Speaker 3: works well there? And you can you know, I would
Speaker 3: normally send you to a botanic garden if you like.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a botanic garden in Renfurley. There
Speaker 3: will be one in Dunedin. But stay, stay central and
Speaker 3: go and never look who's got a good garden? And
Speaker 3: I bet you, Mike, if you knock on the door
Speaker 3: of a really nice garden, they'll tell you exactly why
Speaker 3: and what. Because gardeners do that. They share that, they
Speaker 3: share their knowledge and that is probably the best way.
Speaker 3: The other thing is to go and you've got to
Speaker 3: do a lot of work on the internet. I suppose
Speaker 3: to find out what you can what you can get there,
Speaker 3: but honestly, go local, ask the local people. I bet
Speaker 3: you you will find really willing people that will help
Speaker 3: you out. Awesome, Thank you very much, No worries.
Speaker 6: Mike, all this Mike, you take care and Robbie, a
Speaker 6: very good morning to you. Hello Robbie, Hello.
Speaker 7: Good morning gentlemen.
Speaker 16: Really the question for you.
Speaker 7: I've got a lemon tree.
Speaker 16: And it's now looks like st or something black that's
Speaker 16: leaned over the leaves, and the whole tree is sort
Speaker 16: of like it.
Speaker 7: I just wondered what it might be.
Speaker 3: That stuff is probably called black sooty mold, which is
Speaker 3: and and makes sense that name, doesn't it. Are you
Speaker 3: in the north of our country? Are you in the
Speaker 3: north Wellington? Well that is that is still the North, Okay,
Speaker 3: so et ceteras. You will quite often get creatures that
Speaker 3: suck sap out of the actual plant, out of the leaves,
Speaker 3: sometimes out of the stems. And it could be meati bugs,
Speaker 3: it could be scale in sects, it could be aphits.
Speaker 3: And what these things do is quite an interesting he
Speaker 3: but they poop out honeyedjew, which is sweet sap that
Speaker 3: they get from the plant. That honeydew then falls onto
Speaker 3: the leaves, often on the top side of the leaves,
Speaker 3: and that is sweet stuff. That is a really good
Speaker 3: material on which sooty mold grows. So what you're seeing
Speaker 3: there is the end result of some sap sucking bugs
Speaker 3: damaging your plants a little bit and pooping out sweet
Speaker 3: sap called honeyjew on top of that gross sooty mold.
Speaker 3: What you need to do is think about how to
Speaker 3: get rid of the scale insects, the mealy bugs, and
Speaker 3: the aphids. Very simple. Get yourself a material like nim
Speaker 3: oil or conquerer oil, and you can mix that with
Speaker 3: a little bit of if you like, pyrethroid insecticides, just insecticides,
Speaker 3: and spray that on top of those leaves of your plants,
Speaker 3: of your shrubs, and of your in this case, citrus tree.
Speaker 3: You'll find that you kill. You will kill the ones
Speaker 3: that pull all over the leaves below, and slowly the
Speaker 3: black shooting mold will.
Speaker 7: Go, oh, thank you.
Speaker 10: Is it conquered.
Speaker 3: Conqueror Conqueror oil. It's a mineral oil that you use
Speaker 3: on plants, your your gun center will know what conqueror
Speaker 3: oil is.
Speaker 16: Thank you, okay, thanks very much.
Speaker 3: Your mine and welcome.
Speaker 6: All the Robbie. You take care. I think we'll take
Speaker 6: a break. We'll do that. We'll do that before we
Speaker 6: talk to and Nett will be back in just a moment.
Speaker 15: Rud.
Speaker 6: I'm just looking at the email that you see me
Speaker 6: yesterday with the barn l nest boxes for inside Trust.
Speaker 6: So this one now has a balcony from the first floor. Yes,
Speaker 6: this is a whole new design.
Speaker 3: No, I know you'd love it, and it needs a
Speaker 3: licensed building practitioner.
Speaker 6: I have to say, with the designs you sent me,
Speaker 6: I couldn't resist but slightly change them. So I just
Speaker 6: couldn't bring my self to build one with a flat roof.
Speaker 6: So I've put a pitched roof on them.
Speaker 3: I think that's lovely because that's exactly what they like.
Speaker 3: But you know what is the good things, especially that
Speaker 3: long then one. Quite often you get starlings in there,
Speaker 3: or or because your hole is now too big if
Speaker 3: you like, or minus and it is. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: you get them as well. No, no, but what's the
Speaker 3: point is that we get starlings in our little owl boxes. Now,
Speaker 3: the little owl is not really big at all. It's
Speaker 3: maybe at the most eight inches in size. That's all
Speaker 3: of this is tiny. But when you are styling and
Speaker 3: you go into a little owl box, you end up
Speaker 3: paying for that with your life. Those little owls know
Speaker 3: how to kick them out or kill them, right and
Speaker 3: then and then they leave the corpses inside the box
Speaker 3: because what you get is flies. And if the babies
Speaker 3: come out of the egg, they see the flies and
Speaker 3: they learn how to and flies. It's absolutely stunning.
Speaker 6: That's fantastic.
Speaker 3: It's really cool.
Speaker 6: I realized though with this one. It requires a barn.
Speaker 6: And and I don't have a bar to be fair.
Speaker 3: No, you don't need a bar like something that's European.
Speaker 6: It all right, all right, I will make it maybe today,
Speaker 6: maybe not. It's a nice Father's Day things today. And
Speaker 6: happy Father's Day to you too, mate, and your post day.
Speaker 3: And oh and is Joseph okay?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know he's great. He rang before and said
Speaker 6: happy Father's Day. So that's nice, right, And hello there.
Speaker 4: Hello there too, Rude and Pete. Hello, I want to
Speaker 4: talk dead compost. I've killed it? Can I believe it
Speaker 4: will come back?
Speaker 3: What did you do to it? To kill it.
Speaker 4: Well, I think I've put too many grass put things
Speaker 4: into it.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, no no, that doesn't mean
Speaker 3: it's dead. It means you've.
Speaker 4: Actually it's not. It's not roughing anything I put in.
Speaker 4: I put all the kitchen scraps out there, but it's
Speaker 4: not roughing.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly why you're going the wrong way, because
Speaker 3: even the kitchen scraps are not part, are not needed.
Speaker 3: That is what you need now is wood chips. Right,
Speaker 3: So so here's here's a science lesson on compost. Compost
Speaker 3: is made basically now on two things. The one is
Speaker 3: one is nitrogen, which is all the grass clickens or
Speaker 3: the leaves, all that stuff, or you're in most of
Speaker 3: the food scraps. The other bit that it needs and
Speaker 3: the large amount of compost, the largest part of the
Speaker 3: compost is carbon, and carbon is wood chips, branches, that
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. And if you just keep on putting
Speaker 3: green stuff in it, you you don't get enough composting
Speaker 3: going at all. If you're now going to put a
Speaker 3: lot of that wood chips in and mix it in,
Speaker 3: if you can with the rake, you'll find that everything
Speaker 3: will pick up and there will be your compost won't
Speaker 3: be dead. I'll do you that for free.
Speaker 4: Well I haven't seen any little wombs or anything in it.
Speaker 3: No, because they find it a bit too asset. They
Speaker 3: burned their bubs in there.
Speaker 7: Always.
Speaker 4: Thanks, Can I thank Pete briefly? Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: A long time ago he told me to put PVC
Speaker 4: windows in.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, and.
Speaker 4: I did, and I've now sold the house to my
Speaker 4: son and he thinks they are absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 6: Look, I think it's always one of these things. You've
Speaker 6: got to look at the individual situation and make the
Speaker 6: right choice for that. And if the PVC was the
Speaker 6: right choice there, then that's fantastic.
Speaker 4: So great here I've been meaning to tell you. Thank you.
Speaker 6: It's a pleasure.
Speaker 4: Thanks Rude.
Speaker 6: Both the very best. Hey, let's look at a couple.
Speaker 6: It's all got time for one more call. Also, if
Speaker 6: you want to give us a call. Eight hundred and
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty the number. Gardening questions Germinating peony tree
Speaker 6: seeds please tree.
Speaker 3: I have not, literally I have not worked with pone seeds.
Speaker 3: I think Duly usually gets them from the shop and
Speaker 3: and plants them directly as seed links. I've never worked
Speaker 3: up so I don't know now I'm not gonna I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna dare to do that.
Speaker 6: And pianis are not a tree?
Speaker 3: Are they not necessarilyful.
Speaker 6: Cold, very cold climates for.
Speaker 3: That in order to flower properly? That's right, right right?
Speaker 6: Another one from Duneed and is it too late to
Speaker 6: start sowing seeds. I've collected a lot of seeds from
Speaker 6: last year, just checking if seed raising mixes the best
Speaker 6: to use. I'm also hoping the red and cream carcabak
Speaker 6: seeds will take from Joey.
Speaker 3: That's a good thing to do right now. I would
Speaker 3: say seeds are sowing depends on exactly what you're talking
Speaker 3: about here. But for instance, if I'm now starting to
Speaker 3: look at my tunnel house, I need differenstance sew seeds
Speaker 3: for what do you call them? Tomatoes? But the problem
Speaker 3: is if it's too cold, they don't like that. So
Speaker 3: you do that inside, and you do that inside the
Speaker 3: house until literally all frost tender plants need to do
Speaker 3: that until frost is no longer an issue. It's that
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. So some varieties can be sown right now.
Speaker 3: In fact, I've had broadbeans sewing it's themselves over in
Speaker 3: winter and they are now flowering. Unbelievable, but that does work.
Speaker 3: But other plants can't handle that. So it pays to
Speaker 3: google which particular seeds you want a plant and make
Speaker 3: sure you do it at the right time. But yes,
Speaker 3: you can sew seeds all.
Speaker 6: Right, brilliant, Hey Tony, very good morning to you.
Speaker 16: Good morning, gentlemen. I've got Micaleia bubbles pedging live and
Speaker 16: all front and I've got the beliefs cooling up and
Speaker 16: got brownie black spots on them and the falling.
Speaker 7: Off the tree.
Speaker 16: But the leaves are all filled up and down spots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it might pay to actually use use some
Speaker 3: some fungicides on that because it sounds like a fungal
Speaker 3: infliction if you like, and fung sides plant, you know,
Speaker 3: for plants to stop that brown spot actually getting on
Speaker 3: with it is important. So what I would use is
Speaker 3: a systemic fungicide. Go to your local garden center systemic
Speaker 3: funger side, something like, well, there's all sorts of the
Speaker 3: bits and oh, there's all sorts of varieties there, but
Speaker 3: ask for a systemic that is taken into the plant
Speaker 3: and basically stops these fungi from developing on your leaves.
Speaker 7: Thanks.
Speaker 16: For yet.
Speaker 6: I'm listening attentively because we have Michaelia Grappi's at home.
Speaker 6: But thankfully and reasonably good health.
Speaker 3: That's it. Sometimes when it's too wet and too cold,
Speaker 3: it can get these fungal problems. Yes, all sorts of.
Speaker 6: Things, right quick one from you, Richard greetings.
Speaker 20: Yea good good morning. Hey, Marsian lawn. I sprayed the lawn,
Speaker 20: the marshy part with your wit and for it. It
Speaker 20: all died off nicely, yellowed and everything. What do I
Speaker 20: do with it?
Speaker 3: Now? I would suggest you change the pH that means
Speaker 3: the acidity of the soil by literally putting lime on it,
Speaker 3: not not not dolomite lime, but agricultural lime or normal
Speaker 3: lime or whatever you want to call it. And that
Speaker 3: will change the pH and that will that will really
Speaker 3: disadvantage the moths.
Speaker 20: Okay, your morning, welcome mate.
Speaker 6: Go well, what's the distribution rate? Is it like a
Speaker 6: handful to.
Speaker 3: Or you've gotta be a lecense building partitioner to do
Speaker 3: that a handful to the meter roughly? No, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know, yeah it is.
Speaker 6: Actually I took your advice. I went and got some
Speaker 6: nitro foscar blue the other day and yeah, around hand
Speaker 6: plum tree and it was a handful or eighty grams
Speaker 6: per square meter to be fair. I don't have a
Speaker 6: scale in the workshop, but I.
Speaker 3: Don't do I this is the point and the handful
Speaker 3: to the square meter is something that is like is
Speaker 3: years old in gardening. It's been there all the it's
Speaker 3: like you know, putting your finger out, said that's four inches.
Speaker 6: Thank you mate, first to September, not the first day
Speaker 6: of spring. Will come down when I visit that on
Speaker 6: the twenty first.
Speaker 3: Jack Dam had to go at that two.
Speaker 6: Take care mate, Happy Faur's day, all the best, Thanks folks,
Speaker 6: thanks for your company. It's been absolute pleasure. See you
Speaker 6: next Sunday.
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