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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter

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Speaker 1: Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay.

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Speaker 2: The house is a whole even when it stars, even

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Speaker 2: when the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when

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Speaker 2: the dog is too old to borrow, And.

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Speaker 3: When you're sitting at the table trying.

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Speaker 2: Not to start house scissor hole, even when we.

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Speaker 3: Are band ball, even when you're.

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Speaker 2: There alone, A house is a hole, even when those goes, even.

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Speaker 3: When you go around from the ones you.

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Speaker 4: Love, your more.

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Speaker 5: Screams, building plains, being in frond the world locals lisball

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Speaker 5: when they're gone, leaving them house, even when we'll be

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Speaker 5: ben lone, even when you're neverlone.

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Speaker 6: Well, very good morning, and welcome along to the Resident

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Speaker 6: Builder on Sunday. You're with me Pete wolf Camp, the

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Speaker 6: Resident Builder, and this is a show all about no

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Speaker 6: surprise surprise, building, building, construction, renovating, altering, maintaining, planning, purchasing,

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Speaker 6: choosing contractors. Whatever you would like to discuss with regards

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Speaker 6: to building construction regulations. We can do all of that

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Speaker 6: on the show this morning. So I trust you've had

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Speaker 6: a good week. Weather's not far from the mind. I

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Speaker 6: was out in my workshop yesterday and I'll explain why. Well,

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Speaker 6: I don't need to explain why I'm often in the workshop,

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Speaker 6: but with a particular purpose. Yesterday, when an extremely heavy

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Speaker 6: band of rain sort of swept across where I am

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Speaker 6: and where Aucklanders live inundating curbs and pathways, and probably

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Speaker 6: not to the extent of having a flooding inside house

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Speaker 6: and that, but it was one of those remarkably heavy

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Speaker 6: downpours that sort of swept across the city for about

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Speaker 6: ten minutes or so and then disappeared. Kind of made

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Speaker 6: me add a couple of other jobs to my to

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Speaker 6: do list of things around the house. Sought out some

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Speaker 6: decent spouting on the workshop would probably be top of

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Speaker 6: that list, seeing the water pouring over the top of

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Speaker 6: what I've already got there at the moment. So, and

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Speaker 6: these are the sorts of things that happens. We walk

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Speaker 6: around and we go, oh cracky, that's right, I should

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Speaker 6: do that job, and maybe I should get onto that,

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Speaker 6: and maybe there's a bit more maintenance that I need

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Speaker 6: to do here there and everywhere. So if you've got

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Speaker 6: a task that you would like some help with, eight

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Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Or

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Speaker 6: if you'd like to send a text, you are more

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Speaker 6: than welcome to do that. Thank you Steve for your text.

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Speaker 6: I'll explain the moment the If you've got a question

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Speaker 6: you'd like to text through, you're more than welcome to

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Speaker 6: do that. Of course. It is nine two nine two

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Speaker 6: or zbzib from your mobile phone. If you'd like to

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Speaker 6: email me, you're more than welcome to do that as well.

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Speaker 6: It's Pete at newstaloksb dot co dot nz. So I

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Speaker 6: trust you've had a good week and if you've been

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Speaker 6: involved with a project, I trust that it's been successful

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Speaker 6: and progressive. And if it's not going as well as

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Speaker 6: you would have hoped, then maybe we can talk about

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Speaker 6: that on the show as well. Eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 6: eighty is that number to call. A little bit later on,

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Speaker 6: we're going to catch up with Mike Colds. We are

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Speaker 6: going to definitely talk to Redcline past at about eighth dirt.

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Speaker 6: He might even bring Rud on a little bit early.

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Speaker 6: We have much to discuss. So one of the tasks

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Speaker 6: I said last week on the show that I would

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Speaker 6: rodd and I have talked about barn Ow's for a while.

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Speaker 6: I know this is not necessarily building related, but it

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Speaker 6: is now because I built something. I built some barn

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Speaker 6: ol boxes. It turns out the RUD sent me two

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Speaker 6: different designs and they are quite distinct from each other.

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Speaker 6: So I've ended up making two different barn owl boxes,

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Speaker 6: which I've sent photographs to RUD. I put a quick

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Speaker 6: and I made a little video about sort of how

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Speaker 6: a little bit later on today. So it's all there,

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Speaker 6: it's all happening, and I point this out just as

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Speaker 6: a sort of public service announcement. Rushing when you're doing

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Speaker 6: trying to clean off a sticker from a hasp off

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Speaker 6: I was like, ah, you muppet, why would you have

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Speaker 6: a little bit more than what I was hoping for. Anyway,

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Speaker 6: It's all fine, but yes, just thinking it's that classic.

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Speaker 6: Just take a moment to think about what you're doing

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Speaker 6: before you rush to do it. And another transformational event

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Speaker 6: for me. But I'll talk about this a bit later on.

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Speaker 6: I've started using a track saw. I'll explain that a

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Speaker 6: bit later on. We'll get stuck into it. Eight hundred

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Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Steve.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for your text back to Dancing in the

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Speaker 6: Cowshed with the opening song back on Steve in the

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Speaker 6: Cowshed this morning. I hope the cows enjoy the music

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Speaker 6: as well. I know apparently it's very popular to play

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Speaker 6: classical music to them, but I figure a bit of

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Speaker 6: Ben Harper probably doesn't go astray either. And Matt says, hey,

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Speaker 6: Happy Father's Day. Indeed, indeed, if you happen to be

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Speaker 6: a dad, Happy Father's Day to you, and thank you

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Speaker 6: very much for your wishes. Matt. How do we note

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Speaker 6: on my desk when I left this morning saying Happy

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Speaker 6: Father's Day to me as well, which is awesome. I

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Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty all things building construction, regulations, rules, dilemmas,

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Speaker 6: you know, discussions that you might get into. Actually, I

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Speaker 6: who's very experienced in the building sector, regulations, involved in

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Speaker 6: innovation and so on, and I quickly said to him,

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Speaker 6: of H one, this kind of idea that's been flagged

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Speaker 6: by the current minister, going well, maybe it's added too

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Speaker 6: which is all about energy efficiency, and he goes, yeah,

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Speaker 6: an energy crisis where we can't generate sufficient energy to

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Speaker 6: keep the lights on, and now we want to roll

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Speaker 6: back a practical set of solutions that would allow our

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Speaker 6: One hand's not talking to the other. Oh, eight hundred

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Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty is the number to call Neville. Good

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Speaker 6: morning to you, thank good morning.

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Speaker 7: How are you doing very well?

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Speaker 6: Thank you?

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Speaker 7: That's sweet. Now I called early because I'll followed you device.

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Speaker 6: So a wise man, you're a wise man.

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Speaker 7: You're a friend of mine. She lives in a house

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Speaker 7: that's at the end of quite a long drive, and

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Speaker 7: there's three houses that ended quite long drive, and those

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Speaker 7: three houses own the quite long drive. Now, one of

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Speaker 7: the houses on one side of the driveway has a

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Speaker 7: quite a long time ago and has a right of

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Speaker 7: way to the garage. But in the interim, some new

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Speaker 7: and so they're going to push three driveways into their property,

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Speaker 7: so the garage, the original house, new house on the back.

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Speaker 8: And I'm gone, you're going to be crazy.

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Speaker 7: And she said to me, no, Well, I'll check with

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Speaker 7: the council, and they said, no, no, we've granted a permission.

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Speaker 7: And I'm going, but you guys owned that the driveway.

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Speaker 7: They don't own anything, and yet they're going to push

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Speaker 7: you could have created two new accesses off of a driveway.

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Speaker 7: You don't know.

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Speaker 6: That's an interesting one, and I'm just thinking about it.

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Speaker 6: I'm just trying to work my way through that. So

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Speaker 6: there's a driveway that services three properties, and typically when

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Speaker 6: find that each of the individual titles has like a

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Speaker 6: they all have either an easement or an agreement that

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Speaker 6: says we're all going to share. So I own one

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Speaker 6: meter of a three meter wide driveway, you own another meter,

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Speaker 6: getting the impression that this long driveway there happens to

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Speaker 6: necessarily have legal title to the driveway.

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Speaker 7: And then they bring houses on the driveway right.

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Speaker 6: And they've informally years ago taken out a section offense

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Speaker 7: Well, the thing that's really concerning a lot for me.

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Speaker 7: I can understand that they have a right away because

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Speaker 7: I assume that the garrets, but that particular terrance way

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Speaker 7: goes has mean if it's twenty years, let's assume. But

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Speaker 7: what concerns me is because they're granted a right away

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Speaker 7: Access is onto their property off the driveway they don't own,

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Speaker 6: I would have thought that your friend who owns the

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Speaker 6: a legal thing. A lawyer would need to go survey

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Speaker 6: the title and send a note to counsel going, hey, look,

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Speaker 6: by the way, you've granted access to a property that

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Speaker 6: sake of standing in the way of development. But at

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Speaker 6: is often quite specific rules around what they often call

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Speaker 6: what might have been a sufficiently wide driveway for three

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Speaker 6: properties may not be a sufficiently wide driveway for six

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Speaker 6: property or six developments. So there's a few issues there. Ultimately,

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Speaker 6: if you're going to go into battle with counsel, it's

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Speaker 6: going to involve lawyers.

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Speaker 7: So that's always the problem, isn't it. Everyone's a little

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Speaker 7: bit scared to run up a bill of a lawyer

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Speaker 7: because you never actually really know what you're going to

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Speaker 7: end up until you gets anyway.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, actually, that's good question. I'm not sure if lawyers

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Speaker 9: You moning money. Interesting as you're talking about that driver,

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Speaker 6: I think I know what you say. I think in

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Speaker 9: That I appreciate it, really really that place that's got

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Speaker 6: Well that's right. But yeah, it's a bit of a kid.

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Speaker 9: It sounds like you're just an agreement from the last

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Speaker 6: I suppose this one's just going to come down to

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Speaker 9: It goes back to the thing is like, whether it's

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Speaker 9: You decide.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm a little bit curious. And then the

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Speaker 9: Now if you look at that on. If it's got

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. And in some cases, depending on the

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Speaker 6: What I'm thinking. But ultimately, if you're going to go

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Speaker 9: Don't need a lawyer. You do is show them what

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Speaker 6: If you did a title search on the adjoining property

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Speaker 9: Yeah, a counter's got that. All you do is go

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Speaker 6: Awesome, all right, some good advice there, Dobby appreciate that

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Speaker 6: I didn't feel I should ask, Oh, eight hundred and

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Speaker 6: Now is that possible without a consent?

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Speaker 6: As soon as you end up with a roof on

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Speaker 6: This is the I suppose the crux of the issue

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Speaker 6: And I have to say I personally don't in most

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Speaker 6: development that I think we should be having. It's an

431
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Speaker 6: eight hundred and twelve square meter site in a suburban

432
00:24:47,295 --> 00:24:53,055
Speaker 6: street that is predominantly single house dwelling and quite a

433
00:24:53,095 --> 00:24:56,535
Speaker 6: distance from any major transport hub. There's buses at the

434
00:24:56,575 --> 00:24:58,895
Speaker 6: end of the road, but then they connect to another

435
00:24:58,935 --> 00:25:01,455
Speaker 6: transport hub before you go in. So I wonder where

436
00:25:01,455 --> 00:25:03,415
Speaker 6: the issue with this story is. Really this is the

437
00:25:03,415 --> 00:25:08,415
Speaker 6: sort of development that intense probably shouldn't have happened. Anyway,

438
00:25:08,655 --> 00:25:11,055
Speaker 6: your thoughts, Oh, eight hundred and eighty, Then I'm to

439
00:25:11,055 --> 00:25:12,135
Speaker 6: call hello, Gabriel.

440
00:25:12,975 --> 00:25:16,895
Speaker 10: Yeah, good morning, Peter. Sorry, I speak some of it in.

441
00:25:17,215 --> 00:25:21,815
Speaker 6: Imperial, quite familiar with I've got Yes.

442
00:25:21,695 --> 00:25:26,215
Speaker 10: I've got a width between the house and the neighbor's

443
00:25:26,295 --> 00:25:30,975
Speaker 10: fence of seventeen feet. But I want to erect a

444
00:25:32,255 --> 00:25:36,295
Speaker 10: what's called a portable garage. It's made of it's made

445
00:25:36,335 --> 00:25:42,815
Speaker 10: of canvas, heavy duty. That tent basically is it's thirteen

446
00:25:42,895 --> 00:25:47,495
Speaker 10: feet wide, which means that I've got about two feet

447
00:25:47,655 --> 00:25:52,575
Speaker 10: on either side when it's up. Are there? And the

448
00:25:52,615 --> 00:25:54,615
Speaker 10: other thing I want to do, it's may change it

449
00:25:54,655 --> 00:25:59,495
Speaker 10: is that on each corner I want to add poles

450
00:25:59,535 --> 00:26:03,695
Speaker 10: of two meters in length and drop them and concrete

451
00:26:03,735 --> 00:26:10,055
Speaker 10: them around them around this tenth so that it stabilizes

452
00:26:10,095 --> 00:26:13,855
Speaker 10: it further. So I'm wondering are there any rules or

453
00:26:15,015 --> 00:26:18,855
Speaker 10: any rules that I should be aware of? And yeah,

454
00:26:18,895 --> 00:26:20,895
Speaker 10: I mean, look to do I need consent?

455
00:26:21,135 --> 00:26:26,615
Speaker 6: The typically you would, and the main reason for that

456
00:26:26,735 --> 00:26:30,535
Speaker 6: is proximity to the boundary. So the sort of rule

457
00:26:30,575 --> 00:26:32,775
Speaker 6: of thumb is that if you're within a meter of

458
00:26:32,815 --> 00:26:35,175
Speaker 6: the boundary, and a met is just over three feet,

459
00:26:36,455 --> 00:26:41,815
Speaker 6: then that triggers the requirement for a building consent. And

460
00:26:41,855 --> 00:26:44,095
Speaker 6: so two foot is obviously less than three foot, and

461
00:26:44,135 --> 00:26:49,695
Speaker 6: so that would requirement. Also, the building should, ideally, if

462
00:26:50,175 --> 00:26:52,815
Speaker 6: it gets done without consent, be the height of the

463
00:26:52,855 --> 00:26:56,535
Speaker 6: structure away from your existing structure, and you won't have

464
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Speaker 6: that space. The challenge would be getting a building consent

465
00:27:00,255 --> 00:27:04,055
Speaker 6: for something that's not really a building, i e. It's

466
00:27:05,295 --> 00:27:07,855
Speaker 6: you can a sort of temporary structure.

467
00:27:08,415 --> 00:27:09,335
Speaker 10: Temporary structure.

468
00:27:09,415 --> 00:27:12,135
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the what are you going to do? Just

469
00:27:12,175 --> 00:27:14,415
Speaker 6: park a car in there? It's just cover for a car.

470
00:27:15,335 --> 00:27:20,895
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that's what I hope to do. But yeah, okay,

471
00:27:20,975 --> 00:27:24,135
Speaker 10: so I need to consent, But that's fine. That's really

472
00:27:24,175 --> 00:27:26,575
Speaker 10: what I'll wanted to know before I get right into

473
00:27:26,575 --> 00:27:27,695
Speaker 10: it yet.

474
00:27:27,775 --> 00:27:31,095
Speaker 6: But I think so, and you know, part of that

475
00:27:31,135 --> 00:27:33,695
Speaker 6: will also be that like if let's say you don't

476
00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:36,135
Speaker 6: go for consent, and suddenly you start building and the

477
00:27:36,175 --> 00:27:39,255
Speaker 6: neighbor goes craiky, I'm not really that happy about this

478
00:27:39,295 --> 00:27:42,815
Speaker 6: thing being so close to the boundary, And then they

479
00:27:42,855 --> 00:27:44,935
Speaker 6: go to council. Council will turn up and go, well,

480
00:27:44,975 --> 00:27:47,775
Speaker 6: actually you do need a consent for that. It's unauthorized

481
00:27:47,815 --> 00:27:51,255
Speaker 6: works and you'll get a notice effects or a you know,

482
00:27:51,375 --> 00:27:55,055
Speaker 6: a letter, potentially a fine. I mean typically counsel don't

483
00:27:55,135 --> 00:27:59,655
Speaker 6: go out looking for these sorts of things, but when

484
00:27:59,655 --> 00:28:02,295
Speaker 6: it's drawn to their attention, eventually they'll get round to

485
00:28:02,695 --> 00:28:03,255
Speaker 6: looking at it.

486
00:28:04,135 --> 00:28:06,055
Speaker 10: Yeah, so good advice as usual.

487
00:28:06,055 --> 00:28:10,775
Speaker 6: Pleasure somebody boundaries where it's all that already all the best,

488
00:28:10,855 --> 00:28:13,295
Speaker 6: take care bother them and Eric a very good morning

489
00:28:13,295 --> 00:28:13,615
Speaker 6: to you.

490
00:28:14,335 --> 00:28:17,535
Speaker 11: Good morning, Peter. I have a problem I'm hoping you

491
00:28:17,575 --> 00:28:19,695
Speaker 11: won't be ever help me with. I've just done a

492
00:28:19,775 --> 00:28:22,215
Speaker 11: twelve meter by eight meter edition on my son's house.

493
00:28:22,535 --> 00:28:25,255
Speaker 11: So now we're into doing the old part of the house.

494
00:28:25,455 --> 00:28:29,295
Speaker 11: So when we put the new roof on, we stripped

495
00:28:29,295 --> 00:28:31,055
Speaker 11: the roof off the old part of the house. It's

496
00:28:31,095 --> 00:28:35,295
Speaker 11: a fifteen degree pitch, so because the pearlins didn't line up,

497
00:28:35,495 --> 00:28:38,055
Speaker 11: so we removed the eye and the building paper of

498
00:28:38,095 --> 00:28:42,215
Speaker 11: the netting replaced the pearlins, put the new white paper

499
00:28:42,255 --> 00:28:46,375
Speaker 11: on and reroofed it. Since then, we've ripped all the

500
00:28:46,375 --> 00:28:48,215
Speaker 11: wooden windows out of the old part of the house

501
00:28:48,215 --> 00:28:52,575
Speaker 11: and replaced them with double blows with the planted seal,

502
00:28:52,655 --> 00:28:56,855
Speaker 11: and anyway, we now have a mold problem growing on

503
00:28:56,935 --> 00:28:59,575
Speaker 11: the bottoms of the pearlins and about the meter up

504
00:28:59,775 --> 00:29:03,495
Speaker 11: the rafters in where we've reroofed just one side of

505
00:29:03,495 --> 00:29:05,255
Speaker 11: the house, on the eastern side of the house, so

506
00:29:05,895 --> 00:29:08,615
Speaker 11: we kicked in the front entrance, the bathroom in one

507
00:29:08,655 --> 00:29:12,175
Speaker 11: bedroom when we started last weekend ripping the ceilings and

508
00:29:12,215 --> 00:29:14,375
Speaker 11: that down in the old part of the house. In

509
00:29:14,415 --> 00:29:17,735
Speaker 11: the bathroom, we could see this mold growing and it's

510
00:29:17,775 --> 00:29:20,815
Speaker 11: quite bad growing on the on the It's only on

511
00:29:20,855 --> 00:29:22,655
Speaker 11: the top side of the purlins and for about a

512
00:29:22,735 --> 00:29:26,375
Speaker 11: meter up from the top plate up the rafters. A.

513
00:29:26,615 --> 00:29:29,255
Speaker 11: What's caused that? I know, I listened a while ago

514
00:29:29,335 --> 00:29:34,135
Speaker 11: you were talking about roof ventilation. A what caused it?

515
00:29:34,175 --> 00:29:36,415
Speaker 11: And B how do we solve it? Because it wasn't

516
00:29:36,455 --> 00:29:40,935
Speaker 11: there previously. I have I have a feeling that because

517
00:29:41,095 --> 00:29:43,575
Speaker 11: while we had all the wine eating and everything off,

518
00:29:44,415 --> 00:29:48,655
Speaker 11: we took the opportunity to put new bats completely over

519
00:29:48,735 --> 00:29:51,495
Speaker 11: top of the old bats that had shrunken down. I

520
00:29:51,535 --> 00:29:53,535
Speaker 11: have a feeling that they had one of those test

521
00:29:53,615 --> 00:29:56,495
Speaker 11: that sucking motor things in the bathroom with the heat

522
00:29:56,535 --> 00:29:59,335
Speaker 11: lamps in it and an extractor fan. I have a

523
00:29:59,375 --> 00:30:03,975
Speaker 11: feeling the fact that the hose may have had a

524
00:30:03,975 --> 00:30:06,695
Speaker 11: hole in it, or you know, the one hundred and

525
00:30:06,735 --> 00:30:09,815
Speaker 11: fifty little point to the outside of the house. So

526
00:30:10,535 --> 00:30:15,495
Speaker 11: have you any ideas what caused this or it wasn't

527
00:30:15,495 --> 00:30:17,935
Speaker 11: there in the previously and we get rid of it.

528
00:30:18,175 --> 00:30:24,095
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's probably just happenstance that it wasn't

529
00:30:24,135 --> 00:30:27,815
Speaker 6: there before, because there was probably a lot more airflow, right,

530
00:30:28,695 --> 00:30:32,415
Speaker 6: and a lot more ventilation in an old drafty construction,

531
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Speaker 6: And so then you've ended up going part way towards

532
00:30:36,895 --> 00:30:41,655
Speaker 6: reducing that airflow, which then creates still air, which then

533
00:30:41,775 --> 00:30:46,975
Speaker 6: creates the potential for mold growth. And it's it's a

534
00:30:47,335 --> 00:30:51,775
Speaker 6: it could potentially be a thing called interstitular moisture control.

535
00:30:52,295 --> 00:30:53,975
Speaker 11: Right, it's a big word.

536
00:30:54,295 --> 00:30:58,735
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, and to be fair, it does get

537
00:30:59,375 --> 00:31:05,895
Speaker 6: enormously complex. Well yeah, it does quite quickly. But there's

538
00:31:05,895 --> 00:31:08,855
Speaker 6: a lot of articles about it and it kind of

539
00:31:08,855 --> 00:31:11,175
Speaker 6: relates to a couple of things. One is that we

540
00:31:11,615 --> 00:31:18,735
Speaker 6: have to start understanding that moisture, as in water molecules

541
00:31:18,815 --> 00:31:26,375
Speaker 6: attached to air, migrates through solid surfaces. So and that

542
00:31:27,455 --> 00:31:29,135
Speaker 6: I'm still trying to get my head around it, to

543
00:31:29,175 --> 00:31:31,095
Speaker 6: be fair, right, this is an area that I'm trying

544
00:31:31,095 --> 00:31:34,015
Speaker 6: to do a lot more reading on. So, for example,

545
00:31:34,015 --> 00:31:37,575
Speaker 6: an a skillion roof a little bit like what you've constructed,

546
00:31:37,855 --> 00:31:41,855
Speaker 6: there will always be moisture inside the room below that. Now,

547
00:31:42,255 --> 00:31:46,295
Speaker 6: if for example, we've got just plasterboard lining and then

548
00:31:46,335 --> 00:31:49,575
Speaker 6: we've got our ceiling strapping, then we've got some insulation,

549
00:31:50,255 --> 00:31:52,855
Speaker 6: then hopefully there's a gap at the top of that

550
00:31:52,935 --> 00:31:57,055
Speaker 6: insulation to the underside of the roofing underlay, and then

551
00:31:57,095 --> 00:32:00,215
Speaker 6: you've got your roofing iron on top. So moisture will

552
00:32:00,495 --> 00:32:05,175
Speaker 6: migrate from inside that habitable space through the plaster board

553
00:32:05,615 --> 00:32:10,415
Speaker 6: and then trapped inside that surface, which if that's got

554
00:32:10,455 --> 00:32:14,335
Speaker 6: less airflow than before because you've put new building paper

555
00:32:14,375 --> 00:32:16,775
Speaker 6: on it, because maybe you've tidied up some gaps and

556
00:32:16,815 --> 00:32:20,255
Speaker 6: bits and pieces, or you've ended up closing up the

557
00:32:20,295 --> 00:32:24,375
Speaker 6: gap between the roofing underlay and the insulation. So Ideally

558
00:32:24,815 --> 00:32:28,415
Speaker 6: you must have at least fifty millimeters of gap between

559
00:32:28,455 --> 00:32:31,655
Speaker 6: your insulation and the underside of your roofing underlay to

560
00:32:31,775 --> 00:32:37,335
Speaker 6: allow for some airflow in there, because without it, that's

561
00:32:37,335 --> 00:32:40,015
Speaker 6: where the moisture ends up. And then when the moisture

562
00:32:40,055 --> 00:32:42,975
Speaker 6: adheres to a surface, it creates a damp environment and

563
00:32:43,095 --> 00:32:46,015
Speaker 6: promotes mold growth, and that's what you might be seeing.

564
00:32:46,695 --> 00:32:51,135
Speaker 6: I've seen similar pictures for example of actually some classrooms

565
00:32:51,135 --> 00:32:57,255
Speaker 6: that were built about fifteen years ago where agains you know,

566
00:32:58,215 --> 00:33:02,775
Speaker 6: rafter perlin building paper, iron, insulation, plasterboard on the underside,

567
00:33:03,215 --> 00:33:07,175
Speaker 6: and when they pulled them down because they'd seen mold

568
00:33:07,215 --> 00:33:10,095
Speaker 6: on the ceilings, what they found is that the moisture

569
00:33:10,135 --> 00:33:14,895
Speaker 6: had got into that space and the insulation was starting

570
00:33:14,935 --> 00:33:17,695
Speaker 6: to blacken with mold, and there was mold growth on

571
00:33:17,735 --> 00:33:20,855
Speaker 6: the timber as well, and potentially from their timber decay.

572
00:33:21,495 --> 00:33:24,055
Speaker 6: So that's kind of if you do want to do

573
00:33:24,095 --> 00:33:28,495
Speaker 6: some reading, start in that area. And again it's pretty

574
00:33:28,535 --> 00:33:32,615
Speaker 6: flash sounding terminology, but interstitular moisture control is where you

575
00:33:32,655 --> 00:33:34,255
Speaker 6: want to be looking at on.

576
00:33:34,895 --> 00:33:36,855
Speaker 11: The new part of the house, or sorry, on the

577
00:33:36,855 --> 00:33:39,135
Speaker 11: new part of the house. Because we had to put

578
00:33:39,175 --> 00:33:43,135
Speaker 11: the extra thick vats and before we put the pearlins

579
00:33:43,175 --> 00:33:45,335
Speaker 11: on above the top plate we used. It came in

580
00:33:45,375 --> 00:33:46,935
Speaker 11: a box and you sort of folded it out like

581
00:33:46,975 --> 00:33:52,015
Speaker 11: a constantina. It was like a corrugated plastic. It was

582
00:33:52,055 --> 00:33:55,135
Speaker 11: about eight hundred high and we put it right around

583
00:33:55,255 --> 00:33:57,855
Speaker 11: the right around the house and so that meant that

584
00:33:57,895 --> 00:34:03,255
Speaker 11: the bats could not possibly touch the building paper, et cetera.

585
00:34:03,775 --> 00:34:05,615
Speaker 11: But this is like a white mold, it's not a

586
00:34:05,615 --> 00:34:08,255
Speaker 11: black mold. There was absolutely no sign of it on

587
00:34:08,335 --> 00:34:11,975
Speaker 11: the ceilings on the inside of the house, but we

588
00:34:11,975 --> 00:34:14,135
Speaker 11: could just smell it when we started pulling down the

589
00:34:15,215 --> 00:34:17,495
Speaker 11: ceilings in the bathroom. And the soun's an asthmatic, and

590
00:34:17,495 --> 00:34:19,535
Speaker 11: the soun's an asthmetic, and it's the last thing we want.

591
00:34:20,215 --> 00:34:21,855
Speaker 12: So the other.

592
00:34:21,775 --> 00:34:25,095
Speaker 6: Issue, the other issue to look at is what's the

593
00:34:25,175 --> 00:34:29,575
Speaker 6: ventilation like inside the house. And you know, I know

594
00:34:29,735 --> 00:34:32,495
Speaker 6: that often when we talk ventilation, people just go just

595
00:34:32,535 --> 00:34:34,255
Speaker 6: open a door or open a window and that sort

596
00:34:34,295 --> 00:34:38,495
Speaker 6: of thing, and that's part of the solution. But you know,

597
00:34:38,575 --> 00:34:41,735
Speaker 6: in modern living, we don't always leave windows and doors open.

598
00:34:42,735 --> 00:34:46,575
Speaker 6: So having an active form of ventilation, whether that's a

599
00:34:46,615 --> 00:34:50,335
Speaker 6: positive pressure system or a balanced pressure system in the

600
00:34:50,375 --> 00:34:56,775
Speaker 6: house actively, you know, controlling airflow, controlling moisture within the

601
00:34:56,775 --> 00:35:00,535
Speaker 6: house might also be part of the solution. Interestingly enough,

602
00:35:00,615 --> 00:35:04,855
Speaker 6: I've had I had a long discussion with actually someone

603
00:35:04,895 --> 00:35:06,535
Speaker 6: who's going to join us on the PROGRAMM a couple

604
00:35:06,535 --> 00:35:11,895
Speaker 6: of weeks time, Storm Harpham, who's an engineer who now

605
00:35:11,935 --> 00:35:17,015
Speaker 6: works specifically in ventilation for residential houses. So she's going

606
00:35:17,055 --> 00:35:18,535
Speaker 6: to join me on the show in a couple of

607
00:35:18,575 --> 00:35:22,775
Speaker 6: weeks time. And again I met her at an event.

608
00:35:22,815 --> 00:35:27,935
Speaker 6: We got talking about insulation, about ventilation, and then a

609
00:35:27,935 --> 00:35:31,375
Speaker 6: property that I look after had a similar issue where

610
00:35:31,415 --> 00:35:34,375
Speaker 6: I thought I had dealt with mold issues in a bathroom,

611
00:35:35,215 --> 00:35:39,175
Speaker 6: including adding a new fan, putting in bed of repainting

612
00:35:39,215 --> 00:35:42,175
Speaker 6: the ceiling, cleaning all the moisture off, checking for leaks, etc.

613
00:35:42,855 --> 00:35:46,695
Speaker 6: And then after about eight months later, had the reoccurrence

614
00:35:46,735 --> 00:35:49,535
Speaker 6: of this mold issue. And one of the things that

615
00:35:49,695 --> 00:35:52,455
Speaker 6: in discussion with Storm we talked about is that it's

616
00:35:52,655 --> 00:35:56,015
Speaker 6: very much about changing the type of ventilation that we've

617
00:35:56,055 --> 00:35:58,175
Speaker 6: got in that building. And so I'm going to swap

618
00:35:58,175 --> 00:36:00,695
Speaker 6: out the fan that I've got in there for one

619
00:36:00,735 --> 00:36:04,615
Speaker 6: that has a humidity and temperature sensor on it. So

620
00:36:04,655 --> 00:36:09,055
Speaker 6: it's reading the room and turning itself on when required,

621
00:36:09,215 --> 00:36:11,255
Speaker 6: rather than relying on the people who are in the

622
00:36:11,295 --> 00:36:13,495
Speaker 6: house to go, oh, that's right, I need to turn

623
00:36:13,535 --> 00:36:16,055
Speaker 6: the fan on. And then we discussed other sort of

624
00:36:17,295 --> 00:36:20,655
Speaker 6: you know, home ventilation systems that will be active all

625
00:36:20,695 --> 00:36:24,255
Speaker 6: of the time to increase air flow, to control humidity,

626
00:36:24,455 --> 00:36:26,135
Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera. So there might be a couple

627
00:36:26,175 --> 00:36:27,095
Speaker 6: of things happening there.

628
00:36:28,135 --> 00:36:31,335
Speaker 11: What I thought about doing was around this, A feat

629
00:36:31,855 --> 00:36:34,935
Speaker 11: was putting in a series of like underhouse vents, you know,

630
00:36:35,015 --> 00:36:38,055
Speaker 11: but you know, the galvanized vents, and like, yes, I'm

631
00:36:38,095 --> 00:36:40,255
Speaker 11: a bit reluctant because the old five blow it will

632
00:36:40,255 --> 00:36:42,655
Speaker 11: have his best orso yeah, because it's an old house.

633
00:36:42,655 --> 00:36:46,335
Speaker 11: It's pretty old house with that, with that, you know,

634
00:36:46,615 --> 00:36:49,335
Speaker 11: but without having something at the top ll very well

635
00:36:49,375 --> 00:36:51,655
Speaker 11: having a hole at the bottom. But I heard you

636
00:36:51,735 --> 00:36:54,215
Speaker 11: talking about ventilated ridge.

637
00:36:54,535 --> 00:36:59,055
Speaker 6: And interestingly enough, I did a I built for myself

638
00:36:59,935 --> 00:37:03,575
Speaker 6: on another project, a ten scua meter cabin right home

639
00:37:03,615 --> 00:37:07,935
Speaker 6: office type thing, and it had had a monopitch roof,

640
00:37:08,015 --> 00:37:11,975
Speaker 6: so six inch rails, four to two rafters, jframe sorry

641
00:37:12,095 --> 00:37:16,095
Speaker 6: six two rafters and jframe. And then what I ended

642
00:37:16,175 --> 00:37:18,895
Speaker 6: up doing is I had actually a vapor control barrier

643
00:37:19,015 --> 00:37:21,935
Speaker 6: underneath the rafters, then I had my insulation, Then I

644
00:37:21,975 --> 00:37:24,815
Speaker 6: had a different type of vapor control barrier on top

645
00:37:24,855 --> 00:37:28,535
Speaker 6: of the rafters. Then I put battens on and then

646
00:37:28,615 --> 00:37:32,695
Speaker 6: my perlans to allow airflow. And so I've got airflow

647
00:37:32,735 --> 00:37:35,535
Speaker 6: that comes in from underneath the iron and then at

648
00:37:35,575 --> 00:37:37,415
Speaker 6: the top don't really have a ridge cap. You've just

649
00:37:37,415 --> 00:37:39,455
Speaker 6: got a barge flashing at the top. But at the

650
00:37:39,495 --> 00:37:42,575
Speaker 6: top there I've installed one hundred mil vent because it's

651
00:37:42,575 --> 00:37:44,735
Speaker 6: a dark roof and it's going to heat up, so

652
00:37:45,295 --> 00:37:48,935
Speaker 6: trying to control the amount of heat and condensation that

653
00:37:48,975 --> 00:37:51,375
Speaker 6: I get in there by actually having some ventilation. So

654
00:37:51,735 --> 00:37:56,695
Speaker 6: similar to what you're talking about, having potentially airflow in

655
00:37:57,055 --> 00:38:00,615
Speaker 6: and out in a roof space to help control the

656
00:38:00,775 --> 00:38:04,495
Speaker 6: environment there would possibly be a good thing. What I

657
00:38:04,615 --> 00:38:06,055
Speaker 6: do is I've got to take a break, but I

658
00:38:06,415 --> 00:38:08,415
Speaker 6: would have a look I tell you what, I have

659
00:38:08,415 --> 00:38:12,535
Speaker 6: a look at some of the brand's articles recently have

660
00:38:12,655 --> 00:38:15,455
Speaker 6: been really good around They're often really good, but the

661
00:38:15,455 --> 00:38:20,775
Speaker 6: ones around ventilation and moisture control are digestible but really

662
00:38:20,775 --> 00:38:23,375
Speaker 6: really good information. So have a look at the brand's

663
00:38:23,455 --> 00:38:28,655
Speaker 6: articles online. They're worth reading. Nice talking, take care, take

664
00:38:28,735 --> 00:38:31,855
Speaker 6: short break back in a mow your news talks, they'd

665
00:38:31,895 --> 00:38:33,855
Speaker 6: be we can talk to Doug, but I think I

666
00:38:33,935 --> 00:38:36,055
Speaker 6: might get them to hold just for a moment because

667
00:38:36,055 --> 00:38:38,175
Speaker 6: we don't have much time before the news. Top of

668
00:38:38,175 --> 00:38:40,895
Speaker 6: the hour. After the news, we are going to touch

669
00:38:40,935 --> 00:38:44,095
Speaker 6: base with Mike Olds from Razine Construction Systems. And in

670
00:38:44,175 --> 00:38:47,375
Speaker 6: the next hour, of course the climb past will be along,

671
00:38:47,815 --> 00:38:49,695
Speaker 6: and to be fair, we might have to start a

672
00:38:49,695 --> 00:38:51,975
Speaker 6: bit early because we are going to be talking about

673
00:38:52,015 --> 00:38:56,735
Speaker 6: our boxes. A mild obsession of mine or our household

674
00:38:56,775 --> 00:39:00,775
Speaker 6: has been this migration of German barn ow's, which have

675
00:39:00,815 --> 00:39:04,215
Speaker 6: become native to Northland and are moving their way down,

676
00:39:04,295 --> 00:39:06,535
Speaker 6: including a very exciting post the other day, one of

677
00:39:06,575 --> 00:39:11,775
Speaker 6: them sitting in a tree on Ponsonby Road of all places. Yes,

678
00:39:11,815 --> 00:39:15,455
Speaker 6: indeed Ponsonby Road anyway. So I went to the expert

679
00:39:15,495 --> 00:39:17,775
Speaker 6: being rid and said, hey, look, do you have any

680
00:39:17,855 --> 00:39:24,295
Speaker 6: designs for these owl boxes, because there's quite specific requirements

681
00:39:24,335 --> 00:39:28,255
Speaker 6: to make it an enticing habitat for said barn owl.

682
00:39:29,175 --> 00:39:30,695
Speaker 6: So he sent me some plans, and then he sent

683
00:39:30,735 --> 00:39:33,535
Speaker 6: me some other plans. So I made the first one

684
00:39:34,255 --> 00:39:36,095
Speaker 6: on Thursday, and then I went back out into the

685
00:39:36,135 --> 00:39:38,135
Speaker 6: shed yesterday because it was a pretty average kind of

686
00:39:38,175 --> 00:39:41,695
Speaker 6: day weatherwise, and made another one. So I've now got

687
00:39:41,735 --> 00:39:46,815
Speaker 6: these two different designs and layouts for barn owl boxes. Anyway,

688
00:39:47,215 --> 00:39:49,695
Speaker 6: I'll put up some photographs on my Facebook page a

689
00:39:49,695 --> 00:39:52,135
Speaker 6: little bit later on so you can see what is

690
00:39:52,175 --> 00:39:55,175
Speaker 6: that I'm actually rambling on about. But a very entertaining

691
00:39:55,415 --> 00:39:57,495
Speaker 6: couple of hours in the shed to make both of

692
00:39:57,535 --> 00:40:02,135
Speaker 6: these various designs, or a variety of designs that I've

693
00:40:02,135 --> 00:40:06,175
Speaker 6: now got so two different layouts for the same owl house.

694
00:40:07,215 --> 00:40:09,455
Speaker 6: And I'll try and put up my plans for how

695
00:40:09,455 --> 00:40:11,855
Speaker 6: I made them as well, So we'll do that anyway,

696
00:40:11,895 --> 00:40:14,415
Speaker 6: we will talk more after the news sport and whether

697
00:40:14,455 --> 00:40:15,895
Speaker 6: here at News Talks. He'd be if you'd like to

698
00:40:15,935 --> 00:40:18,095
Speaker 6: join us. The lines are open than The number to

699
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Speaker 6: call is eight hundred eighty ten eighty, and of course

700
00:40:21,575 --> 00:40:23,415
Speaker 6: you are more than welcome to text as well. It's

701
00:40:23,495 --> 00:40:26,615
Speaker 6: nine to nine two or zib from your mobile phone.

702
00:40:26,695 --> 00:40:28,855
Speaker 6: We're back after the break. You a News Talks, he'd

703
00:40:28,895 --> 00:40:31,215
Speaker 6: be welcome back to the show. Eight hundred eighty ten

704
00:40:31,375 --> 00:40:34,135
Speaker 6: eighty is the number to call if you've got any

705
00:40:34,375 --> 00:40:39,495
Speaker 6: questions around building construction renovating, like Eric our caller just

706
00:40:39,495 --> 00:40:43,935
Speaker 6: before the news talking about an existing house, then some alterations,

707
00:40:43,975 --> 00:40:48,295
Speaker 6: and then after the alterations having an issue with moisture

708
00:40:48,575 --> 00:40:53,055
Speaker 6: and mold growth in what has been the new addition.

709
00:40:53,215 --> 00:40:56,455
Speaker 6: So something changed which has then created the environment for

710
00:40:56,895 --> 00:41:01,575
Speaker 6: mold growth. It does get I don't keep keep realizing that.

711
00:41:01,615 --> 00:41:03,695
Speaker 6: I keep saying these things are complex, and they are

712
00:41:03,815 --> 00:41:06,495
Speaker 6: because it's a It's an interconnection of a whole lot

713
00:41:06,535 --> 00:41:11,575
Speaker 6: of different elements around ventilation, around moisture, about construction, around

714
00:41:12,455 --> 00:41:16,855
Speaker 6: what happens as moisture migrates through a solid surface, the

715
00:41:16,895 --> 00:41:19,055
Speaker 6: position of the jew point, and those sorts of things.

716
00:41:19,415 --> 00:41:22,295
Speaker 6: But there is a tremendous amount of research that's been

717
00:41:22,615 --> 00:41:26,215
Speaker 6: done on this, partly driven by failure. So when we

718
00:41:26,295 --> 00:41:30,735
Speaker 6: see things that don't work well, then we suddenly realize, actually,

719
00:41:30,775 --> 00:41:34,175
Speaker 6: we've got a bit of an issue with how you know,

720
00:41:34,295 --> 00:41:38,735
Speaker 6: we've assembled the assembly of our construction either leaves the

721
00:41:38,775 --> 00:41:41,015
Speaker 6: moisture sitting on the outside, which is where we want it,

722
00:41:41,175 --> 00:41:44,695
Speaker 6: or inadvertently we end up with it sitting on the inside.

723
00:41:44,935 --> 00:41:47,015
Speaker 6: So we move the jew point to the inside of

724
00:41:47,055 --> 00:41:51,895
Speaker 6: our building structures, which then provides an environment for mold growth,

725
00:41:52,135 --> 00:41:55,575
Speaker 6: so we need to understand how that moisture migrates through

726
00:41:55,935 --> 00:42:01,175
Speaker 6: solid surfaces and the impact of variation of temperature inside

727
00:42:01,175 --> 00:42:05,455
Speaker 6: and outside. The impact of adequate ventilation into our houses

728
00:42:05,535 --> 00:42:08,215
Speaker 6: is our houses come. We're a long way from being

729
00:42:08,255 --> 00:42:11,295
Speaker 6: air tight, but we're getting closer and closer. If you

730
00:42:11,295 --> 00:42:13,295
Speaker 6: look at how we do building wraps and we do

731
00:42:13,375 --> 00:42:15,775
Speaker 6: window ceiling, we look at the quality of the window

732
00:42:15,935 --> 00:42:19,095
Speaker 6: and the lack of gaps and cracks and drafts. These

733
00:42:19,135 --> 00:42:22,215
Speaker 6: sorts of things make our buildings more air tight without

734
00:42:22,295 --> 00:42:25,975
Speaker 6: being air tight. And then highlighting the fact that we

735
00:42:26,055 --> 00:42:29,415
Speaker 6: need to do adequate ventilation as well. And the other

736
00:42:29,455 --> 00:42:33,695
Speaker 6: thing that it struck me the other day and it's

737
00:42:33,575 --> 00:42:35,535
Speaker 6: a part of what I do. I guess that is

738
00:42:35,615 --> 00:42:39,015
Speaker 6: the least pleasurable is every now and then being asked

739
00:42:39,055 --> 00:42:41,335
Speaker 6: to go and have a look at some work that's

740
00:42:41,375 --> 00:42:44,375
Speaker 6: being done, and then from time to time looking at

741
00:42:44,415 --> 00:42:49,895
Speaker 6: it going it's just really poor work, you know. And

742
00:42:50,215 --> 00:42:53,135
Speaker 6: while I think in general we've got reasonable standards in

743
00:42:53,215 --> 00:42:55,535
Speaker 6: terms of how we put our houses together and the

744
00:42:55,615 --> 00:42:58,375
Speaker 6: quality of the people doing the work, every now and

745
00:42:58,415 --> 00:43:01,815
Speaker 6: then you still end up running into a job and

746
00:43:01,895 --> 00:43:05,815
Speaker 6: into a site where you just go, look, the person

747
00:43:05,935 --> 00:43:08,415
Speaker 6: just of viously didn't know what they were doing. And

748
00:43:08,455 --> 00:43:11,775
Speaker 6: how did you end up contracting this person? How was

749
00:43:11,815 --> 00:43:13,695
Speaker 6: it that you allowed this person to come and do

750
00:43:13,775 --> 00:43:16,575
Speaker 6: this work? Was it they were recommended and they've done

751
00:43:16,615 --> 00:43:18,775
Speaker 6: a really bad job? Did they end up? Did you

752
00:43:18,935 --> 00:43:21,095
Speaker 6: get how? I heard of a story years ago someone

753
00:43:21,135 --> 00:43:26,095
Speaker 6: got eleven quotes for a renovation project, took the lowest quote,

754
00:43:26,175 --> 00:43:29,135
Speaker 6: the cheapest one, and the job was a disaster, and

755
00:43:29,175 --> 00:43:32,375
Speaker 6: you kind of go, well, no surprises there. So getting

756
00:43:32,455 --> 00:43:35,335
Speaker 6: quality and ensuring quality is always a bit tricky, and

757
00:43:35,375 --> 00:43:37,455
Speaker 6: funnily enough, it was something that I got chatting to

758
00:43:37,655 --> 00:43:40,815
Speaker 6: Mike Olds from Razine Construction about the other day. Mike,

759
00:43:40,895 --> 00:43:44,495
Speaker 6: a very good morning and happy Father's Day. Likewise, please

760
00:43:44,695 --> 00:43:47,895
Speaker 6: cheers mate. It's a real issue, isn't it in terms

761
00:43:47,975 --> 00:43:51,495
Speaker 6: of you know, if you're slightly unfamiliar to building and

762
00:43:51,575 --> 00:43:55,615
Speaker 6: construction and you're out there looking for contractors, how do

763
00:43:55,695 --> 00:43:58,975
Speaker 6: you know you're going to get someone who's reliable and

764
00:43:59,655 --> 00:44:01,855
Speaker 6: is going to do what they need to do in

765
00:44:01,935 --> 00:44:04,695
Speaker 6: order to achieve a good outcome? And I guess you know,

766
00:44:04,935 --> 00:44:08,375
Speaker 6: for you guys with Razine Struction, it's all about exterior

767
00:44:08,415 --> 00:44:12,295
Speaker 6: construction and clanning and so on. So if we're going

768
00:44:12,495 --> 00:44:17,215
Speaker 6: down the exterior construction with razine, how would you how

769
00:44:17,255 --> 00:44:18,375
Speaker 6: do you guys monitor it?

770
00:44:19,695 --> 00:44:23,335
Speaker 8: Well, since day one of our business, we've taken their

771
00:44:23,375 --> 00:44:26,175
Speaker 8: approach that we just don't sell our products out the

772
00:44:26,175 --> 00:44:30,615
Speaker 8: door for a start. We only supply qualified professional contractors

773
00:44:30,855 --> 00:44:34,335
Speaker 8: who we can then support through the entire process. And

774
00:44:35,495 --> 00:44:38,935
Speaker 8: it's interesting over the years, it hasn't really changed in

775
00:44:39,055 --> 00:44:44,335
Speaker 8: terms of what people need to look for. Price is

776
00:44:44,375 --> 00:44:47,055
Speaker 8: always a dominant factor, and that seems to be even

777
00:44:47,095 --> 00:44:50,815
Speaker 8: stronger these days to the current economic environment. But still

778
00:44:50,815 --> 00:44:53,855
Speaker 8: with that said, people need to do their due diligence

779
00:44:54,335 --> 00:44:56,855
Speaker 8: and part of the process on our side of things,

780
00:44:56,895 --> 00:45:03,855
Speaker 8: outside of the LBP process restricting supply into professional contractors

781
00:45:03,855 --> 00:45:07,135
Speaker 8: that know what they're doing and how to do the

782
00:45:07,215 --> 00:45:11,375
Speaker 8: variety of systems that we offer. As another mechanism that

783
00:45:11,375 --> 00:45:17,295
Speaker 8: we applied back in two thousand and five to generate

784
00:45:17,655 --> 00:45:20,215
Speaker 8: great as surety for the installations of the products and

785
00:45:20,295 --> 00:45:24,055
Speaker 8: systems was an on site review process or technical review

786
00:45:24,095 --> 00:45:28,535
Speaker 8: process by one of our technical sales staff. Now that

787
00:45:28,695 --> 00:45:32,735
Speaker 8: involves a review at substrate. So once all the battens

788
00:45:32,775 --> 00:45:35,695
Speaker 8: and the flash and the clouding, the substrate's been installed,

789
00:45:35,975 --> 00:45:40,495
Speaker 8: we do a review at that stage, checking roof connections

790
00:45:40,535 --> 00:45:43,695
Speaker 8: and all sorts of things, and then at the final

791
00:45:43,735 --> 00:45:47,375
Speaker 8: review we go and doo a qa check on the

792
00:45:47,415 --> 00:45:50,895
Speaker 8: finished article of the project. And then following on from

793
00:45:50,935 --> 00:45:54,055
Speaker 8: that another seven years later we send reminders to the

794
00:45:54,095 --> 00:45:58,895
Speaker 8: clients to start considering general maintenance and repaints and checking

795
00:45:58,895 --> 00:46:02,535
Speaker 8: that they've been looking after and maintaining the property over

796
00:46:02,575 --> 00:46:05,375
Speaker 8: that sort of that period of time. So there's a

797
00:46:05,415 --> 00:46:07,015
Speaker 8: lot of fact that's involved in it that I think

798
00:46:07,055 --> 00:46:08,815
Speaker 8: one of the key things in terms of what you

799
00:46:08,895 --> 00:46:12,175
Speaker 8: started a conversation with is around checking the quality of

800
00:46:12,255 --> 00:46:15,095
Speaker 8: the quoting stage. At the moment, everyone's going for a

801
00:46:15,135 --> 00:46:18,095
Speaker 8: lot of quotes and checking things in terms of price

802
00:46:18,135 --> 00:46:20,655
Speaker 8: of the first dominant factor, but they should need to

803
00:46:20,735 --> 00:46:24,695
Speaker 8: check previous project history with clients or with contractors just

804
00:46:24,695 --> 00:46:27,335
Speaker 8: to say a look. And particularly with us, it's pretty visual.

805
00:46:27,375 --> 00:46:29,495
Speaker 8: You can see what's going on on the outside, so

806
00:46:29,535 --> 00:46:31,055
Speaker 8: you can do some drive buys and have a look

807
00:46:31,055 --> 00:46:34,735
Speaker 8: at the see if you've got some reference projects excuse

808
00:46:34,775 --> 00:46:38,215
Speaker 8: me to look at, and that gives that additional surety

809
00:46:38,215 --> 00:46:41,255
Speaker 8: because the expectation of visual you know, in terms of

810
00:46:41,295 --> 00:46:43,935
Speaker 8: what you expect to see, you know, not from I

811
00:46:43,975 --> 00:46:46,695
Speaker 8: mean we put up loads of projects on our social

812
00:46:46,735 --> 00:46:51,415
Speaker 8: media and through Instagram, Facebook to show the work across

813
00:46:51,455 --> 00:46:54,375
Speaker 8: the country and irrespective of whether you're in the Deep

814
00:46:54,415 --> 00:46:59,255
Speaker 8: South or in the far North, those types of that's

815
00:46:59,335 --> 00:47:02,775
Speaker 8: quality of work, in caliber of work you see should

816
00:47:02,775 --> 00:47:05,615
Speaker 8: be an expectation, you know, and I think that's what

817
00:47:05,695 --> 00:47:07,655
Speaker 8: people need to just have it. Just do some do

818
00:47:07,775 --> 00:47:11,535
Speaker 8: some additional little checks before they actually engage the contracts,

819
00:47:11,575 --> 00:47:14,895
Speaker 8: you know, because the old average peep there what you

820
00:47:14,935 --> 00:47:18,655
Speaker 8: pay for and it doesn't take much sometimes to make

821
00:47:18,695 --> 00:47:20,495
Speaker 8: an extra couple of phone calls or to do a

822
00:47:20,535 --> 00:47:21,815
Speaker 8: bit of a drive buy and have a look at

823
00:47:21,815 --> 00:47:25,015
Speaker 8: some project works and make your decisions from there as well.

824
00:47:25,095 --> 00:47:28,695
Speaker 6: Yeah, brilliant advice and I mean impressive that you guys

825
00:47:28,695 --> 00:47:31,615
Speaker 6: have set out a lot, well quite some time ago

826
00:47:31,735 --> 00:47:34,175
Speaker 6: to go this is the pathway for us. And like

827
00:47:34,215 --> 00:47:36,135
Speaker 6: you say, we're not selling our product out the door.

828
00:47:36,175 --> 00:47:38,415
Speaker 6: It's got to go to a license applicators. We're going

829
00:47:38,455 --> 00:47:40,575
Speaker 6: to work with those people to ensure that our clients

830
00:47:40,615 --> 00:47:44,855
Speaker 6: get the very best outcome from their engagement with us.

831
00:47:44,855 --> 00:47:47,535
Speaker 6: Which is great to find out more folks check it

832
00:47:47,575 --> 00:47:51,855
Speaker 6: out online. Razineconstruction dot co dot NZ Mike, Happy Father's

833
00:47:51,935 --> 00:47:54,095
Speaker 6: Day to you and enjoy the golf day today year

834
00:47:54,095 --> 00:47:57,535
Speaker 6: with news talks, he'd be at a sixteen minutes after it's

835
00:47:57,575 --> 00:48:00,415
Speaker 6: fourteen minutes after seven. The lines are open. The number

836
00:48:00,415 --> 00:48:03,415
Speaker 6: to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that

837
00:48:03,535 --> 00:48:06,735
Speaker 6: number to call. Number of texts about sort of planning

838
00:48:06,775 --> 00:48:12,935
Speaker 6: regulations and new builds and infrastructure and so on. I

839
00:48:13,015 --> 00:48:15,575
Speaker 6: made the comment about this development that I've been reading

840
00:48:15,615 --> 00:48:20,575
Speaker 6: about in the Herald online, about the Green Bay development

841
00:48:20,575 --> 00:48:24,855
Speaker 6: where eight new townhouses were being built in essentially a

842
00:48:24,935 --> 00:48:30,815
Speaker 6: residential suburb, single dwelling or single houses per section type

843
00:48:31,175 --> 00:48:36,055
Speaker 6: of subdivision, not terribly close to transport. And I made

844
00:48:36,055 --> 00:48:37,615
Speaker 6: the point that I think that if we're going to

845
00:48:37,655 --> 00:48:42,375
Speaker 6: do infrastructure increasing intensification, then we need to do it

846
00:48:42,415 --> 00:48:45,175
Speaker 6: where there is the potential to then use public transport.

847
00:48:45,175 --> 00:48:46,935
Speaker 6: And it's got to be easy, right, It's got to

848
00:48:46,935 --> 00:48:49,455
Speaker 6: be a couple of minutes walk. Not No one's going

849
00:48:49,495 --> 00:48:51,375
Speaker 6: to walk for fifteen minutes in the rain to catch

850
00:48:51,375 --> 00:48:53,375
Speaker 6: a bus that then has to take you to another

851
00:48:53,415 --> 00:48:56,255
Speaker 6: transport node in order to get to where you might

852
00:48:56,335 --> 00:49:00,895
Speaker 6: want to go. But a couple of texts new build

853
00:49:00,975 --> 00:49:03,615
Speaker 6: up the back. Don't joke. People don't use buses, they

854
00:49:03,615 --> 00:49:05,255
Speaker 6: go and park on the yellow line, speed up and

855
00:49:05,295 --> 00:49:09,495
Speaker 6: down the right of ways. Yeah, I think it's changing.

856
00:49:09,615 --> 00:49:12,095
Speaker 6: I think it is a mind shift thing. And we're

857
00:49:12,135 --> 00:49:16,175
Speaker 6: talking about ventilation as well. Ventilations critical in New Zealand's

858
00:49:16,215 --> 00:49:20,695
Speaker 6: cheap and simple. Not so sure about that. In Europe

859
00:49:20,695 --> 00:49:22,695
Speaker 6: they have for many years solved this issue due to

860
00:49:22,695 --> 00:49:25,375
Speaker 6: their environment, and as usual n zeters behind the world

861
00:49:25,415 --> 00:49:28,455
Speaker 6: and very slow to understand what is common sense. Thank

862
00:49:28,455 --> 00:49:30,735
Speaker 6: you very much for that text. If you've got an opinion,

863
00:49:31,255 --> 00:49:33,615
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty eighty is the number to call. Doug.

864
00:49:33,655 --> 00:49:34,815
Speaker 6: Thanks for waiting. Good morning to you.

865
00:49:36,055 --> 00:49:36,295
Speaker 7: Thanks.

866
00:49:36,735 --> 00:49:39,215
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I listen to this a lot. It's very

867
00:49:39,335 --> 00:49:40,015
Speaker 13: very interesting.

868
00:49:41,255 --> 00:49:42,415
Speaker 6: Great of you to say, thank you.

869
00:49:43,495 --> 00:49:44,255
Speaker 7: Yeah.

870
00:49:44,295 --> 00:49:47,455
Speaker 13: So yeah, I do have the same issue about pungentation

871
00:49:47,575 --> 00:49:53,135
Speaker 13: and moisture and things. We've got an older home, so

872
00:49:54,895 --> 00:49:58,735
Speaker 13: heading towards the healthy homes, which we've done the policy

873
00:49:58,855 --> 00:50:02,495
Speaker 13: on the ground and underneath the floor and well to

874
00:50:02,575 --> 00:50:07,975
Speaker 13: carry on. And now we've stealed all the window. Obviously

875
00:50:08,015 --> 00:50:11,575
Speaker 13: it's a wooden joinery window, so it was bottle of

876
00:50:11,655 --> 00:50:15,375
Speaker 13: draft strips around windows, but it seems to be more

877
00:50:15,415 --> 00:50:18,215
Speaker 13: we're more we're selling the envelope, the more moisture we're

878
00:50:18,215 --> 00:50:22,575
Speaker 13: getting inside the property. Mm hmmm. So we've looked at

879
00:50:23,015 --> 00:50:26,415
Speaker 13: like we've got a heat pump, dehumidifier, that sort of

880
00:50:26,415 --> 00:50:29,935
Speaker 13: thing in the air. Now we're looking at maybe an

881
00:50:30,095 --> 00:50:39,375
Speaker 13: hr V, but to to keep the property warm the HRV,

882
00:50:39,655 --> 00:50:42,895
Speaker 13: now we've got concrete tolls on the roof with no

883
00:50:43,175 --> 00:50:47,735
Speaker 13: paper underneath for the envelope and the ceiling which will

884
00:50:47,735 --> 00:50:53,815
Speaker 13: be pumping and cold here. Yes, you know, like during

885
00:50:53,815 --> 00:50:54,175
Speaker 13: the night.

886
00:50:55,975 --> 00:51:04,135
Speaker 6: I have to say I've never really relied on if

887
00:51:04,175 --> 00:51:09,455
Speaker 6: you look at it thermodynamics basically, and you go, what

888
00:51:09,535 --> 00:51:12,455
Speaker 6: does it take to transfer heat from one area to another?

889
00:51:13,415 --> 00:51:19,735
Speaker 6: And often doing so through almost zero thermal efficiency in

890
00:51:19,815 --> 00:51:23,415
Speaker 6: deducting that we use in many cases and so on.

891
00:51:24,335 --> 00:51:29,575
Speaker 6: It's never really stacked up for me. Right. So, while

892
00:51:29,615 --> 00:51:33,375
Speaker 6: there is a huge benefit to having a ventilation system

893
00:51:33,455 --> 00:51:37,495
Speaker 6: in the house the whole, unless there's it's a proper,

894
00:51:37,855 --> 00:51:42,095
Speaker 6: properly installed heat recovery system, which is different to you know,

895
00:51:42,175 --> 00:51:46,855
Speaker 6: drawing warm air from your roof space and distributing it around.

896
00:51:47,815 --> 00:51:49,775
Speaker 6: I think you've got to be You've got to do

897
00:51:49,815 --> 00:51:52,375
Speaker 6: quite a lot of reading about the claims and about

898
00:51:52,415 --> 00:51:56,815
Speaker 6: the effectiveness of the systems, saying that I think you're

899
00:51:56,855 --> 00:51:59,655
Speaker 6: onto something when you say, look, we've done some work

900
00:51:59,655 --> 00:52:02,215
Speaker 6: to ensure that we don't get gaps and drafts around

901
00:52:02,295 --> 00:52:06,735
Speaker 6: our windows. We've done as much installation as we possibly

902
00:52:06,775 --> 00:52:10,855
Speaker 6: can so as we make our living environment more and

903
00:52:10,935 --> 00:52:14,335
Speaker 6: more air tight. And I'm even hesitant to use that

904
00:52:14,375 --> 00:52:17,895
Speaker 6: word because you know, like within passive house design and

905
00:52:18,055 --> 00:52:21,895
Speaker 6: high performance buildings, that's something that you're aiming for and

906
00:52:22,255 --> 00:52:26,335
Speaker 6: you're measuring it right. You're getting an actual, specific number

907
00:52:26,535 --> 00:52:29,335
Speaker 6: that you can attach to your house that proves that

908
00:52:29,415 --> 00:52:33,095
Speaker 6: it's actually air tight. And unless you're doing like a

909
00:52:33,095 --> 00:52:35,535
Speaker 6: blower door test and those sorts of things, I don't

910
00:52:35,575 --> 00:52:37,935
Speaker 6: think you should, really any of us should make claims

911
00:52:37,935 --> 00:52:41,695
Speaker 6: around this building's airtight or moving towards air tightness without

912
00:52:41,695 --> 00:52:46,255
Speaker 6: actually being able to prove it. So but in general,

913
00:52:46,415 --> 00:52:48,495
Speaker 6: when you compare and I was talking about this with

914
00:52:48,935 --> 00:52:51,055
Speaker 6: someone the other day, actually Storm, who's going to join

915
00:52:51,135 --> 00:52:52,455
Speaker 6: us on the show in a couple of weeks time.

916
00:52:52,855 --> 00:52:58,775
Speaker 6: So nineteen sixties construction timber framing, elevated timber subfloor with

917
00:52:58,855 --> 00:53:02,695
Speaker 6: a concrete basement or concrete block wall as the foundation

918
00:53:03,015 --> 00:53:06,495
Speaker 6: with very little ventilation right, couple of small grills. Then

919
00:53:06,535 --> 00:53:10,055
Speaker 6: you've got timber framing, no insulation in the timber walls

920
00:53:10,175 --> 00:53:13,575
Speaker 6: because of the age, no building paper on the outside,

921
00:53:14,575 --> 00:53:16,775
Speaker 6: and then a cavity and then brickwork, so there's a

922
00:53:16,815 --> 00:53:20,615
Speaker 6: lot of air flowing through that environment right through those.

923
00:53:21,335 --> 00:53:23,375
Speaker 6: And then you've got a concrete tile roof which is

924
00:53:23,455 --> 00:53:28,135
Speaker 6: probably sixty odd years old. So it means that all

925
00:53:28,215 --> 00:53:30,975
Speaker 6: of the glaze has gone off there, and I suspect

926
00:53:30,975 --> 00:53:33,135
Speaker 6: that every time it rains that roof is going to

927
00:53:33,175 --> 00:53:37,615
Speaker 6: absorb moisture because it's not just sheeting off, right, So

928
00:53:37,815 --> 00:53:40,695
Speaker 6: you go, that's my environment. Now what can I do

929
00:53:41,615 --> 00:53:44,735
Speaker 6: without completely rebuilding the building? What can I do to

930
00:53:44,855 --> 00:53:48,055
Speaker 6: change the indoor environment so that I've got less issue

931
00:53:48,055 --> 00:53:51,375
Speaker 6: with mold? In that instance, you're kind of fighting a

932
00:53:51,415 --> 00:53:54,215
Speaker 6: bit of a losing battle because there's so many other

933
00:53:54,255 --> 00:53:56,975
Speaker 6: things that are wrong with the building that it's hard.

934
00:53:57,255 --> 00:53:59,415
Speaker 6: You know, we're seeing the end result being the mold

935
00:53:59,495 --> 00:54:03,135
Speaker 6: inside the house, but the reason for the mold is

936
00:54:03,175 --> 00:54:07,535
Speaker 6: probably just the type of building that it is. But

937
00:54:07,615 --> 00:54:10,375
Speaker 6: in your situation, if you've added insulation, if you've sorted

938
00:54:10,415 --> 00:54:13,535
Speaker 6: out draft proofing. You've obviously got a fixed form of

939
00:54:13,575 --> 00:54:16,335
Speaker 6: heating inside the house with the heat pump. You've added

940
00:54:16,375 --> 00:54:20,695
Speaker 6: the dehumidifier, which will help to extract moisture from the air,

941
00:54:21,055 --> 00:54:24,575
Speaker 6: but it does nothing about why that moisture is in

942
00:54:24,655 --> 00:54:29,135
Speaker 6: the air. So you're you're you're responding to a problem

943
00:54:29,175 --> 00:54:33,975
Speaker 6: without solving the problem because the dehumidifier, I guess solves

944
00:54:34,255 --> 00:54:36,895
Speaker 6: the symptom, but it doesn't solve the problem.

945
00:54:37,215 --> 00:54:39,415
Speaker 14: So that's part of the heat pump, you know, it's

946
00:54:39,415 --> 00:54:43,975
Speaker 14: a three and one. Oh yeah, But then but then

947
00:54:44,015 --> 00:54:48,935
Speaker 14: if yeah, people don't use the dehumidifier, and if they

948
00:54:48,935 --> 00:54:55,855
Speaker 14: don't open windows to have circulation to dry the inside out, Yeah,

949
00:54:55,895 --> 00:54:57,855
Speaker 14: that's where the issue is, isn't it.

950
00:54:57,895 --> 00:54:59,855
Speaker 13: But then you know, with things like low during the

951
00:54:59,935 --> 00:55:00,775
Speaker 13: day to dry out.

952
00:55:00,895 --> 00:55:04,375
Speaker 6: Yeah, and look, I'm a huge fan and of you know,

953
00:55:04,455 --> 00:55:07,335
Speaker 6: those really simple things like if it's a good day,

954
00:55:07,535 --> 00:55:12,015
Speaker 6: like even yesterday, right, the weather got up to despite

955
00:55:12,055 --> 00:55:14,615
Speaker 6: the rain that we had in Auckland, the temperature got

956
00:55:14,695 --> 00:55:17,375
Speaker 6: up to a reasonable amount in the afternoon, so we

957
00:55:17,455 --> 00:55:20,775
Speaker 6: open up the doors and just let the house breathe.

958
00:55:20,935 --> 00:55:23,175
Speaker 6: But then you also, at a certain point you need

959
00:55:23,215 --> 00:55:26,775
Speaker 6: to be aware and you go, actually, it's cooling down outside.

960
00:55:26,815 --> 00:55:29,095
Speaker 6: So my house is warmed up a little bit during

961
00:55:29,135 --> 00:55:31,255
Speaker 6: the day. I've ventilated it a little bit. I've got

962
00:55:31,255 --> 00:55:33,895
Speaker 6: some fresh air into it, which is great. But now

963
00:55:34,175 --> 00:55:37,015
Speaker 6: as I noticed that, I was walking past the window

964
00:55:37,015 --> 00:55:40,015
Speaker 6: that was open, and suddenly it's a bit cooler. Okay,

965
00:55:40,135 --> 00:55:43,375
Speaker 6: now's the time to close the window. Trap some of

966
00:55:43,415 --> 00:55:45,815
Speaker 6: that heat that we've gained, because that's a benefit to

967
00:55:45,815 --> 00:55:47,375
Speaker 6: me because then I don't have to put the heating

968
00:55:47,415 --> 00:55:50,535
Speaker 6: on till later in the day or later at night.

969
00:55:51,695 --> 00:55:56,815
Speaker 6: But if you're not actively engaged with controlling your environment

970
00:55:56,895 --> 00:55:59,895
Speaker 6: by opening doors and windows, closing blinds and all those

971
00:55:59,935 --> 00:56:03,295
Speaker 6: sorts of things, then it's not unreasonable to go, let's

972
00:56:03,295 --> 00:56:06,695
Speaker 6: have a system that helps us control that environce and

973
00:56:06,695 --> 00:56:11,815
Speaker 6: that's where ventilation systems, whether it's positive pressure, balance pressure,

974
00:56:11,895 --> 00:56:14,895
Speaker 6: heat recovery ones. You know, we're starting to talk more

975
00:56:14,895 --> 00:56:17,095
Speaker 6: and more about them, which I think is really really good,

976
00:56:17,535 --> 00:56:21,295
Speaker 6: and there are some examples of like really good systems

977
00:56:21,295 --> 00:56:24,375
Speaker 6: that are out there that will change the quality of

978
00:56:24,615 --> 00:56:31,335
Speaker 6: the indoor environment considerably. But let's not delude ourselves. These

979
00:56:31,335 --> 00:56:34,055
Speaker 6: systems at this stage are also quite expensive.

980
00:56:35,015 --> 00:56:38,655
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's that's the thing. You know, it's everything you're doing,

981
00:56:38,735 --> 00:56:42,615
Speaker 13: it's it's all cost it is. But then if people

982
00:56:42,655 --> 00:56:47,015
Speaker 13: don't use that system, then you know, it's like a

983
00:56:47,055 --> 00:56:49,975
Speaker 13: heat pump for instance, you know, like running the heat

984
00:56:49,975 --> 00:56:52,935
Speaker 13: pump because of the cost of it. That's a thing.

985
00:56:52,975 --> 00:56:56,135
Speaker 13: But it's just the basic things of opening a window

986
00:56:56,415 --> 00:57:02,415
Speaker 13: or like you say, drapes and things when the sun

987
00:57:02,455 --> 00:57:04,095
Speaker 13: does go down to keep that warming.

988
00:57:04,135 --> 00:57:09,615
Speaker 6: That's right, yep. But these these things require they require

989
00:57:09,655 --> 00:57:11,935
Speaker 6: a certain level of awareness right on the part of

990
00:57:12,135 --> 00:57:14,495
Speaker 6: the occupant of the property, whether that's the owner of

991
00:57:14,495 --> 00:57:17,935
Speaker 6: a property or a tenant living in a rented property.

992
00:57:18,815 --> 00:57:22,495
Speaker 6: So it requires us to be informed right to know

993
00:57:22,775 --> 00:57:25,175
Speaker 6: how to operate, you know, in the same way that

994
00:57:25,495 --> 00:57:27,015
Speaker 6: I was going to say, we you know, you might

995
00:57:27,055 --> 00:57:29,015
Speaker 6: read the ownership manual of a car. I don't think

996
00:57:29,015 --> 00:57:32,935
Speaker 6: any of us ever do. But you know, houses do

997
00:57:33,175 --> 00:57:36,975
Speaker 6: have a manual. Ideally this this is these are the

998
00:57:36,975 --> 00:57:39,175
Speaker 6: things that you should be doing inside your house to

999
00:57:39,215 --> 00:57:43,255
Speaker 6: create a really good environment. But I don't know that

1000
00:57:43,295 --> 00:57:44,655
Speaker 6: we're teaching that that much.

1001
00:57:45,375 --> 00:57:47,255
Speaker 13: So do we need to look at a different system?

1002
00:57:47,335 --> 00:57:51,255
Speaker 6: Do we look I think take the time again, I

1003
00:57:51,615 --> 00:57:55,495
Speaker 6: pointed out to Eric before the news, you know, like

1004
00:57:55,575 --> 00:57:59,415
Speaker 6: I've been reading well, because I'm an LVP, I get

1005
00:57:59,455 --> 00:58:03,975
Speaker 6: the brand's magazine, the build magazine, and you know, typically

1006
00:58:03,975 --> 00:58:06,375
Speaker 6: they arrive in the little box and you kind of

1007
00:58:06,455 --> 00:58:09,695
Speaker 6: it to one side, but I make the effort now

1008
00:58:09,735 --> 00:58:12,255
Speaker 6: to go when it arrives that I actually flick through

1009
00:58:12,335 --> 00:58:15,375
Speaker 6: and read some of the articles, and they're really topical

1010
00:58:15,655 --> 00:58:20,575
Speaker 6: and current. You can find articles from brands online as well,

1011
00:58:21,015 --> 00:58:23,295
Speaker 6: so just do a search one day when you've got

1012
00:58:23,295 --> 00:58:26,415
Speaker 6: an hour to spend and go through and read some

1013
00:58:26,495 --> 00:58:29,495
Speaker 6: of the brand's articles. There's other groups like the Healthy

1014
00:58:29,535 --> 00:58:32,095
Speaker 6: Home Movement. They're starting to write a lot about ventilation.

1015
00:58:32,935 --> 00:58:35,175
Speaker 6: My understanding is there's actually going to be like an

1016
00:58:35,175 --> 00:58:38,015
Speaker 6: industry lead lobby group that's being formed as well to

1017
00:58:38,095 --> 00:58:41,895
Speaker 6: talk about ventilation and just kind of wrap your head

1018
00:58:42,055 --> 00:58:45,695
Speaker 6: around the different concepts in terms of, you know, what's

1019
00:58:45,695 --> 00:58:48,415
Speaker 6: a negative PreCure system, what's a balanced pressure system, what's

1020
00:58:48,415 --> 00:58:51,495
Speaker 6: a positive pressure system, how do they all work, and

1021
00:58:51,575 --> 00:58:54,775
Speaker 6: what's going to work best for me? Because I think

1022
00:58:54,895 --> 00:58:59,135
Speaker 6: our housing stock is quite variable. You know, I'm in

1023
00:58:59,175 --> 00:59:02,975
Speaker 6: an old villa, so I've got lots of drafts in

1024
00:59:03,055 --> 00:59:06,455
Speaker 6: my house because that's just the nature of them. My

1025
00:59:06,575 --> 00:59:08,735
Speaker 6: solution is probably going to be a little bit different

1026
00:59:08,855 --> 00:59:11,935
Speaker 6: to perhaps a solution if I was in a relatively

1027
00:59:12,015 --> 00:59:15,615
Speaker 6: new build where I've got timber framing, I've got building wrap,

1028
00:59:15,655 --> 00:59:18,535
Speaker 6: i might have aluminium jewinery which is well sealed. I've

1029
00:59:18,535 --> 00:59:21,055
Speaker 6: got air seals around the windows. I've sealed all the

1030
00:59:21,135 --> 00:59:25,775
Speaker 6: penetrations for the different services. I might have roofing underlay,

1031
00:59:25,935 --> 00:59:28,535
Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera. It's well insulated. I'm going to

1032
00:59:28,615 --> 00:59:31,935
Speaker 6: need a slightly different system than it for what I

1033
00:59:32,015 --> 00:59:33,215
Speaker 6: need for an older house.

1034
00:59:33,895 --> 00:59:37,215
Speaker 13: Mm hmm. You know this particular property exit that's got

1035
00:59:37,255 --> 00:59:43,255
Speaker 13: both that's got wooden jewinry and wooden sashism and plus

1036
00:59:43,695 --> 00:59:49,495
Speaker 13: the aluminium jewinery and they both, Yeah, the performance is

1037
00:59:49,535 --> 00:59:52,415
Speaker 13: exactly the same because it's not double glazed to see.

1038
00:59:52,495 --> 00:59:54,135
Speaker 13: So it's the other issue.

1039
00:59:55,615 --> 00:59:55,815
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1040
00:59:55,855 --> 00:59:59,015
Speaker 13: And then also the ceiling. We've got the ceiling with

1041
00:59:59,135 --> 01:00:01,975
Speaker 13: the overlay, you know it's got that's been topped up. Yes,

1042
01:00:03,055 --> 01:00:07,935
Speaker 13: But then we had a contractor in the you know,

1043
01:00:07,975 --> 01:00:09,735
Speaker 13: trying to find stuff underneath that.

1044
01:00:10,455 --> 01:00:10,855
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1045
01:00:10,695 --> 01:00:15,655
Speaker 13: I like, yeah, yeah, so Sack, you can't find anything.

1046
01:00:15,695 --> 01:00:15,895
Speaker 13: You know.

1047
01:00:17,095 --> 01:00:22,495
Speaker 6: The other thing to look at, Doug, is that some

1048
01:00:22,615 --> 01:00:27,055
Speaker 6: councils around the country. Hopefully all of the territorial authorities

1049
01:00:27,855 --> 01:00:33,015
Speaker 6: offer a Eco Design Advisor service, and I think the

1050
01:00:33,095 --> 01:00:36,775
Speaker 6: initial consultation is free, so have a look for that.

1051
01:00:37,215 --> 01:00:39,855
Speaker 6: In fact, I'm aware that their conference is coming up

1052
01:00:39,895 --> 01:00:43,295
Speaker 6: soon for the Eco Design Advisors. So you know, it's

1053
01:00:43,335 --> 01:00:48,455
Speaker 6: about trying to get impartial, informed advice about these issues.

1054
01:00:48,935 --> 01:00:52,335
Speaker 6: So you know, you've you've obviously decided that you want

1055
01:00:52,335 --> 01:00:54,335
Speaker 6: to try and figure out what's going to work best

1056
01:00:54,375 --> 01:00:56,695
Speaker 6: for your house, which is awesome, and now it's a

1057
01:00:56,735 --> 01:00:59,095
Speaker 6: question of okay, well where can I go to find

1058
01:00:59,375 --> 01:01:03,255
Speaker 6: ideally independent advice, So check it out online, have a

1059
01:01:03,255 --> 01:01:06,935
Speaker 6: look at whether your local council offers this Eco Design

1060
01:01:07,095 --> 01:01:12,255
Speaker 6: Advisors advice. All that's good, all of this, enjoyed the reading,

1061
01:01:12,695 --> 01:01:16,335
Speaker 6: Take care, Thanks horrible all this your news talks, they'd

1062
01:01:16,375 --> 01:01:17,895
Speaker 6: be we'd take a short break. We'll be back with

1063
01:01:17,975 --> 01:01:19,655
Speaker 6: Terry in a moment. If you'd like to join us.

1064
01:01:19,975 --> 01:01:22,815
Speaker 6: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

1065
01:01:26,215 --> 01:01:29,335
Speaker 6: your news talks. He'd be talking all things building and construction.

1066
01:01:29,615 --> 01:01:31,975
Speaker 6: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Hello, Terry,

1067
01:01:32,015 --> 01:01:32,455
Speaker 6: how are you?

1068
01:01:35,095 --> 01:01:35,335
Speaker 12: Terry?

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Speaker 9: Love you here?

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Speaker 6: Can you hear me now I can indeed, Yeah.

1071
01:01:40,575 --> 01:01:42,135
Speaker 15: I love you, Shan, try and catch you in a

1072
01:01:42,175 --> 01:01:48,735
Speaker 15: rude every morning every Sunday we just call earliest. I've

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01:01:48,775 --> 01:01:53,615
Speaker 15: had a HIV put in my roof recently on the

1074
01:01:53,655 --> 01:01:58,455
Speaker 15: same situation as him sixties here spriptile roof and I'm

1075
01:01:58,495 --> 01:02:02,455
Speaker 15: surprised in no installation and no building paper in the roof,

1076
01:02:02,695 --> 01:02:05,775
Speaker 15: But I was surprised to find out how much heapy

1077
01:02:05,935 --> 01:02:09,975
Speaker 15: was in the which comes through and pushed down, as

1078
01:02:10,455 --> 01:02:12,375
Speaker 15: it was quite good just for that for him to

1079
01:02:12,895 --> 01:02:16,295
Speaker 15: give them the feedback that helps his decision or whatever.

1080
01:02:17,495 --> 01:02:20,855
Speaker 6: Again, you know, I mean I know that, you know,

1081
01:02:20,935 --> 01:02:23,735
Speaker 6: like I've got thermostats inside the house, so I can

1082
01:02:23,775 --> 01:02:27,455
Speaker 6: measure temperature inside the house and the hallway and temperature

1083
01:02:27,495 --> 01:02:31,735
Speaker 6: inside the roof space. And you know, during summer there

1084
01:02:31,735 --> 01:02:37,015
Speaker 6: can be a considerable variation between that, right as in

1085
01:02:37,055 --> 01:02:41,335
Speaker 6: my roof space it's a corrigodrone roof, it's you know,

1086
01:02:41,775 --> 01:02:44,935
Speaker 6: it would probably get close to forty degrees up there,

1087
01:02:46,095 --> 01:02:48,735
Speaker 6: and so you know the idea of capturing that and

1088
01:02:48,775 --> 01:02:53,975
Speaker 6: pushing it down, it's that what that variation in temperature

1089
01:02:54,055 --> 01:02:57,215
Speaker 6: is and what expectation you might have of how much

1090
01:02:57,375 --> 01:03:01,655
Speaker 6: that would raise the temperature inside the house, whereas I

1091
01:03:01,695 --> 01:03:05,095
Speaker 6: think the greater benefit is not really around heat gain,

1092
01:03:05,255 --> 01:03:09,735
Speaker 6: it's all about warming the house. It's probably, in my mind,

1093
01:03:09,815 --> 01:03:15,375
Speaker 6: more about the actual ventilation. And then there's there's systems

1094
01:03:15,415 --> 01:03:19,295
Speaker 6: now which will draw air from outside, pass it through

1095
01:03:19,335 --> 01:03:24,495
Speaker 6: a heat exchanger and then push that into dry areas

1096
01:03:24,495 --> 01:03:27,495
Speaker 6: of the house and extract from damp areas or wet

1097
01:03:27,495 --> 01:03:31,295
Speaker 6: areas of the house. They're also quite good systems, so

1098
01:03:31,375 --> 01:03:34,095
Speaker 6: that's a sort of balanced pressure type system. But look,

1099
01:03:34,535 --> 01:03:38,735
Speaker 6: I think the fact that we're starting to talk about them,

1100
01:03:39,135 --> 01:03:42,055
Speaker 6: I think that it should be something that should probably

1101
01:03:42,135 --> 01:03:46,135
Speaker 6: be included in updates to the New Zealand Building Code.

1102
01:03:47,015 --> 01:03:49,575
Speaker 6: That again, if we look at how we're building today,

1103
01:03:50,175 --> 01:03:54,255
Speaker 6: while we're not we're aiming for houses that are less drafty,

1104
01:03:54,655 --> 01:03:58,695
Speaker 6: we're still a long way from being air tight. You know.

1105
01:03:59,095 --> 01:04:01,655
Speaker 6: It is having an impact, all of the changes to

1106
01:04:01,695 --> 01:04:04,575
Speaker 6: the building code and how we build today versus how

1107
01:04:04,575 --> 01:04:08,055
Speaker 6: we even built thirty years ago, having a massive difference

1108
01:04:08,095 --> 01:04:11,895
Speaker 6: in terms of the indoor environment that we're able to create.

1109
01:04:11,935 --> 01:04:13,575
Speaker 6: But I think we need to focus a bit more

1110
01:04:13,575 --> 01:04:14,575
Speaker 6: on ventilation now.

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01:04:16,255 --> 01:04:18,655
Speaker 15: Yeah, you get to see something like that, I've been

1112
01:04:19,015 --> 01:04:21,575
Speaker 15: hanging around for quite a while before I made this decision,

1113
01:04:21,575 --> 01:04:25,335
Speaker 15: and I just couldn't find anything really that would do

1114
01:04:25,455 --> 01:04:26,055
Speaker 15: what I wanted.

1115
01:04:26,335 --> 01:04:31,415
Speaker 6: So how long have you installed the system?

1116
01:04:31,575 --> 01:04:34,135
Speaker 15: A couple of months so we hadn't seen the coldest

1117
01:04:34,135 --> 01:04:38,695
Speaker 15: all the winter, but even in the bedrooms sometimes at

1118
01:04:38,775 --> 01:04:43,055
Speaker 15: night the grandson would say, it's cold, and your grandad,

1119
01:04:43,095 --> 01:04:46,855
Speaker 15: but it just gets that condensation down. But you can, yep,

1120
01:04:46,975 --> 01:04:48,975
Speaker 15: it's like that. You can screw those vents closed a

1121
01:04:48,975 --> 01:04:51,375
Speaker 15: bit more of it was like that or something that's

1122
01:04:51,415 --> 01:04:54,095
Speaker 15: just on the see how west corner and that you

1123
01:04:54,215 --> 01:04:56,495
Speaker 15: get the condensation on the windows and running downd the

1124
01:04:56,535 --> 01:04:58,375
Speaker 15: walls where we're not getting that as much now. So

1125
01:04:58,815 --> 01:05:01,455
Speaker 15: we're not getting that now. So that was a positive.

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01:05:01,895 --> 01:05:05,175
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, And I mean that's that's where it's kind

1127
01:05:05,215 --> 01:05:08,295
Speaker 6: of exciting when you make a change like this, right,

1128
01:05:08,695 --> 01:05:11,375
Speaker 6: and then you see a positive outcome. So if you're

1129
01:05:11,375 --> 01:05:15,015
Speaker 6: in a house where you know, persistently during winter you're

1130
01:05:15,055 --> 01:05:18,375
Speaker 6: either you know, drying the windows off because of the condensation,

1131
01:05:18,855 --> 01:05:23,135
Speaker 6: or you're constantly battling mold growth on walls and that

1132
01:05:23,215 --> 01:05:26,015
Speaker 6: sort of thing, or you put your shoes away and

1133
01:05:26,055 --> 01:05:28,415
Speaker 6: then you take them out in summertime and they're covered

1134
01:05:28,415 --> 01:05:31,375
Speaker 6: in sort of a furry green moss, you know, and

1135
01:05:31,655 --> 01:05:34,495
Speaker 6: I've seen that in wardrobes and so on. You know,

1136
01:05:34,535 --> 01:05:37,495
Speaker 6: if suddenly your house isn't doing that, it's those are

1137
01:05:37,775 --> 01:05:40,295
Speaker 6: it's it's the classic canary and a coal mine, right.

1138
01:05:41,335 --> 01:05:44,775
Speaker 6: They those are signs that there's something within your lived

1139
01:05:44,855 --> 01:05:48,215
Speaker 6: environment that's not working, and if you can solve those problems,

1140
01:05:48,815 --> 01:05:53,215
Speaker 6: that's a huge win. Yeah, so good on you.

1141
01:05:53,415 --> 01:05:59,095
Speaker 12: It sounds exciting just some of the people just when

1142
01:05:59,135 --> 01:06:00,895
Speaker 12: you get a good day, but I leave your wardrope

1143
01:06:01,415 --> 01:06:04,815
Speaker 12: war open because they leave them closed and love and

1144
01:06:04,855 --> 01:06:06,135
Speaker 12: they get snow and through there.

1145
01:06:06,615 --> 01:06:13,055
Speaker 6: That's right. It's that fascinating combination, combination and intersection between

1146
01:06:13,695 --> 01:06:18,695
Speaker 6: what's really simple and what's really complex. And often, you know,

1147
01:06:19,055 --> 01:06:21,855
Speaker 6: what seems like really complex issues can be dealt with

1148
01:06:22,015 --> 01:06:26,735
Speaker 6: quite simply. And so you know, it sounds so incredibly

1149
01:06:28,375 --> 01:06:30,535
Speaker 6: it's kind of the classic teaching grandmother that to suck

1150
01:06:30,575 --> 01:06:32,895
Speaker 6: eggs sort of comment. But yeah, if it's a good day,

1151
01:06:33,215 --> 01:06:36,455
Speaker 6: open your doors and windows, leat your house, breathe. There's

1152
01:06:36,535 --> 01:06:37,455
Speaker 6: nothing wrong with that.

1153
01:06:39,175 --> 01:06:41,335
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, that's great.

1154
01:06:40,815 --> 01:06:43,655
Speaker 6: Talking about your terry all the very best take mate, Then,

1155
01:06:44,575 --> 01:06:46,975
Speaker 6: now I'd better take a break. I think eight hundred

1156
01:06:47,015 --> 01:06:49,175
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you've

1157
01:06:49,215 --> 01:06:51,815
Speaker 6: got a question of a building nature call us right now,

1158
01:06:52,055 --> 01:06:57,615
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty you and new Talks. There'd

1159
01:06:57,615 --> 01:07:00,615
Speaker 6: be Pete wolf Camp with you talking all things building construction.

1160
01:07:01,095 --> 01:07:03,575
Speaker 6: Quick text before we talk to Kate. Pete, you've just

1161
01:07:03,655 --> 01:07:06,215
Speaker 6: made my mind up. We were debating whether to rec

1162
01:07:06,295 --> 01:07:09,695
Speaker 6: condition a nineteen fifties concrete tile roof. Will replace it

1163
01:07:09,815 --> 01:07:12,975
Speaker 6: after your comment's about the glazing coming off the tiles.

1164
01:07:12,735 --> 01:07:16,335
Speaker 6: Ours look like the surface of a cinder block and

1165
01:07:16,375 --> 01:07:19,335
Speaker 6: we do battle mold in the house when reroofing with

1166
01:07:19,415 --> 01:07:22,295
Speaker 6: color steel. Should the roof replace the valleys as well

1167
01:07:22,335 --> 01:07:25,815
Speaker 6: as they would be about seventy years old, and also

1168
01:07:25,935 --> 01:07:27,895
Speaker 6: ze point five to five thickness the heavy or a

1169
01:07:27,935 --> 01:07:31,535
Speaker 6: lighter gauge. Thanks very much, Nick, couple of things on that,

1170
01:07:32,535 --> 01:07:35,615
Speaker 6: Please don't mistrew my comment. My comment about the concrete

1171
01:07:35,615 --> 01:07:39,095
Speaker 6: tile roof was the fact that this particular one, it's

1172
01:07:39,095 --> 01:07:42,295
Speaker 6: the original roof from I think nineteen sixty seven something

1173
01:07:42,335 --> 01:07:45,255
Speaker 6: like that. So yeah, the glaze that's often on concrete

1174
01:07:45,255 --> 01:07:48,975
Speaker 6: tiles has i would say, almost completely worn off. So

1175
01:07:49,095 --> 01:07:52,095
Speaker 6: I'm thinking that, you know, if the concrete, if it's

1176
01:07:52,095 --> 01:07:55,335
Speaker 6: a sunny day, the concrete will dry out as soon

1177
01:07:55,375 --> 01:07:58,055
Speaker 6: as it rains, A certain amount of that moisture will

1178
01:07:58,095 --> 01:08:01,095
Speaker 6: not shed off the concrete tiles will be absorbed into

1179
01:08:01,135 --> 01:08:03,815
Speaker 6: the concrete. That's obviously going to have an impact on

1180
01:08:04,095 --> 01:08:07,735
Speaker 6: the overall internal environment of that that structure, because there's

1181
01:08:07,775 --> 01:08:12,575
Speaker 6: all that moisture being trapped there. So reglazing or repainting

1182
01:08:12,615 --> 01:08:16,055
Speaker 6: that roof would also solve that problem. If, however, you

1183
01:08:16,135 --> 01:08:20,015
Speaker 6: do want to go ahead and replace your existing concrete

1184
01:08:20,055 --> 01:08:23,455
Speaker 6: tile roof with a color steel roof for a long

1185
01:08:23,495 --> 01:08:26,455
Speaker 6: run iron roof, then go right ahead. I'd have to

1186
01:08:26,455 --> 01:08:29,895
Speaker 6: point out too that that typically requires a building consent,

1187
01:08:31,055 --> 01:08:33,495
Speaker 6: so you know, in terms of schedule one of the

1188
01:08:33,495 --> 01:08:36,375
Speaker 6: act it's about like forul like and a concrete tile

1189
01:08:36,455 --> 01:08:40,935
Speaker 6: roof is not the same as a lightweight roof, like

1190
01:08:40,975 --> 01:08:44,135
Speaker 6: an iron roof. And again initially when you think about that,

1191
01:08:44,175 --> 01:08:46,055
Speaker 6: you go, yeah, but it's lighter, so it's going to

1192
01:08:46,055 --> 01:08:50,095
Speaker 6: be less impact and it has less impact on the

1193
01:08:50,095 --> 01:08:52,215
Speaker 6: weight of the building, the bracing elements and that sort

1194
01:08:52,255 --> 01:08:55,175
Speaker 6: of thing, which is true, except that what you do

1195
01:08:55,255 --> 01:08:59,015
Speaker 6: need to account for with installing an iron roof as

1196
01:08:59,055 --> 01:09:03,295
Speaker 6: opposed to a concrete roof is uplift. So typically you

1197
01:09:03,495 --> 01:09:06,095
Speaker 6: want to make sure that your perlins will need to

1198
01:09:06,095 --> 01:09:08,775
Speaker 6: be replaced because the batons that you've got for the

1199
01:09:08,815 --> 01:09:12,815
Speaker 6: concrete tile won't work for fixing roofing iron two, so

1200
01:09:12,855 --> 01:09:14,815
Speaker 6: you'll need to repurl in it. They need to be

1201
01:09:14,935 --> 01:09:16,815
Speaker 6: fixed to the rafters in such a way as to

1202
01:09:16,855 --> 01:09:20,615
Speaker 6: prevent uplift, and ideally it's an opportunity to go through

1203
01:09:20,695 --> 01:09:25,295
Speaker 6: and refix all of the rafters or trusses down to

1204
01:09:25,375 --> 01:09:29,095
Speaker 6: the top plate also to prevent uplift. And those sorts

1205
01:09:29,095 --> 01:09:31,895
Speaker 6: of things are structural, so they'll trigger a requirement for

1206
01:09:31,935 --> 01:09:34,975
Speaker 6: a building consent should be a relatively straightforward process, but

1207
01:09:35,415 --> 01:09:38,815
Speaker 6: it does, in my opinion, trigger the requirement. And point

1208
01:09:38,815 --> 01:09:41,135
Speaker 6: five to five is the heavier gauge. So there's point

1209
01:09:41,135 --> 01:09:44,855
Speaker 6: four to five and point five to five, and I look,

1210
01:09:45,535 --> 01:09:48,695
Speaker 6: point four to five is absolutely fine. Typically I've gone

1211
01:09:48,775 --> 01:09:52,815
Speaker 6: for point five five because if somebody has to go

1212
01:09:52,855 --> 01:09:54,615
Speaker 6: on the roof later on and they're a bit of

1213
01:09:54,615 --> 01:09:56,975
Speaker 6: a muppet and they don't know where to stand, then

1214
01:09:57,015 --> 01:10:01,695
Speaker 6: there's a little less likelihood of them damaging the roofing.

1215
01:10:02,095 --> 01:10:05,455
Speaker 6: If they don't know what they're doing. Oh eight hundred

1216
01:10:05,455 --> 01:10:06,855
Speaker 6: and eighty. They shouldn't be u there if they don't

1217
01:10:06,855 --> 01:10:08,855
Speaker 6: know what they're doing. But hey, I've been on plenty

1218
01:10:08,855 --> 01:10:11,255
Speaker 6: of roofs where there's a lot of damage from contractors

1219
01:10:11,295 --> 01:10:15,015
Speaker 6: who have stomped around installing TV aeriels and vents and

1220
01:10:15,095 --> 01:10:19,055
Speaker 6: sky dishes and all the rest of it. So yeah,

1221
01:10:19,175 --> 01:10:21,815
Speaker 6: there are ways of moving around the roof without damaging it,

1222
01:10:22,415 --> 01:10:24,495
Speaker 6: but not everybody seems to know that. Oh eight one

1223
01:10:24,535 --> 01:10:26,215
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty, ten eighty is the number to call.

1224
01:10:26,295 --> 01:10:27,735
Speaker 6: Kate A very good morning.

1225
01:10:28,375 --> 01:10:31,775
Speaker 17: Morning, Pete, good morning, great be able to seek your

1226
01:10:31,815 --> 01:10:35,415
Speaker 17: advice yet again, your s You've been helping me countless times.

1227
01:10:35,615 --> 01:10:39,255
Speaker 17: I'm building a seventy three square meter dwelling in Browns Bay.

1228
01:10:40,375 --> 01:10:43,775
Speaker 17: It's north facing and west facing, and I think this

1229
01:10:43,895 --> 01:10:48,015
Speaker 17: is on topic because my electrician, we've just got the

1230
01:10:48,095 --> 01:10:50,295
Speaker 17: joists and bearers in frames are going up when the

1231
01:10:50,335 --> 01:10:53,135
Speaker 17: sub floor goes down next week, so we're on the way. Awesome,

1232
01:10:53,175 --> 01:10:58,695
Speaker 17: But electrician, yes it is. Electrician has advised considering heat

1233
01:10:58,815 --> 01:11:01,735
Speaker 17: transfer system. Now this has the front of the house

1234
01:11:01,855 --> 01:11:04,935
Speaker 17: with raged ceilings. It's to about sixteen degrees. I think

1235
01:11:05,335 --> 01:11:07,975
Speaker 17: the rear of the hoe has flat ceilings. I've got

1236
01:11:08,055 --> 01:11:10,215
Speaker 17: a gas fire in the front, and I might add

1237
01:11:10,215 --> 01:11:12,975
Speaker 17: a heat pump, and it's one big living area. And

1238
01:11:12,975 --> 01:11:15,455
Speaker 17: then I've got these two little bedrooms that I'm thinking,

1239
01:11:15,495 --> 01:11:18,695
Speaker 17: how am I going to heat them? And am I

1240
01:11:18,735 --> 01:11:21,575
Speaker 17: better just to put a panel heater in there? Or

1241
01:11:22,015 --> 01:11:25,455
Speaker 17: someone is this electrician suggests a heat transfer a system,

1242
01:11:25,495 --> 01:11:28,135
Speaker 17: but it doesn't have a big cavity in the ceiling

1243
01:11:28,215 --> 01:11:32,615
Speaker 17: because it's rap so I'd have to I assume pipe

1244
01:11:32,655 --> 01:11:37,055
Speaker 17: this and then and then put it through the wall

1245
01:11:37,215 --> 01:11:39,815
Speaker 17: into the room or does it go down loads is

1246
01:11:39,855 --> 01:11:43,895
Speaker 17: a wall cavity and I've got I've got noise bats

1247
01:11:44,415 --> 01:11:46,375
Speaker 17: through the wall, so it's well insulated.

1248
01:11:46,455 --> 01:11:46,895
Speaker 7: I think.

1249
01:11:48,535 --> 01:11:49,415
Speaker 17: ABC join.

1250
01:11:49,735 --> 01:11:57,295
Speaker 6: That's It's a fascinating question. I some of the heat

1251
01:11:57,335 --> 01:12:03,415
Speaker 6: transfer systems I'm I'm dubious about in the sense that,

1252
01:12:03,575 --> 01:12:05,615
Speaker 6: you know, one of the things that I've started come

1253
01:12:05,655 --> 01:12:08,175
Speaker 6: to real and the reading that I've been doing recently

1254
01:12:08,255 --> 01:12:12,535
Speaker 6: is air is a really good insulator, right, so air

1255
01:12:12,655 --> 01:12:16,775
Speaker 6: is a great way of stopping heat transfer, and yet

1256
01:12:17,735 --> 01:12:24,215
Speaker 6: we're talking about using air to transfer heat, which it

1257
01:12:24,295 --> 01:12:27,135
Speaker 6: doesn't want to do because it's really bad at doing it,

1258
01:12:28,495 --> 01:12:31,775
Speaker 6: and I'm being quite blunt here, so I think with

1259
01:12:31,895 --> 01:12:35,815
Speaker 6: a building like what you're building, you now have the

1260
01:12:35,815 --> 01:12:39,735
Speaker 6: perfect opportunity to do a really good job with the

1261
01:12:39,775 --> 01:12:44,735
Speaker 6: timber framing, a wrap around the outside, installing quality joinery,

1262
01:12:45,935 --> 01:12:50,135
Speaker 6: effective double glazing, air ceiling around the window, putting good

1263
01:12:50,135 --> 01:12:54,095
Speaker 6: insulation in the underfloor, putting good insulation into the ceiling.

1264
01:12:55,095 --> 01:12:58,495
Speaker 6: I don't know that heating is going to be a

1265
01:12:58,535 --> 01:13:02,335
Speaker 6: big issue in your dwelling. If you've got a fixed

1266
01:13:02,335 --> 01:13:04,135
Speaker 6: form of heating with a gas fire, as long as

1267
01:13:04,175 --> 01:13:07,735
Speaker 6: it's properly ventilated and doesn't cause moisture to build up

1268
01:13:07,775 --> 01:13:12,575
Speaker 6: inside there as a result of burning gas, then I

1269
01:13:12,615 --> 01:13:16,215
Speaker 6: think that you're your bigger concern for that type of

1270
01:13:16,215 --> 01:13:20,215
Speaker 6: building built to modern standard is probably going to be

1271
01:13:20,535 --> 01:13:25,055
Speaker 6: around overheating, depending on whether you've got eaves that shade

1272
01:13:25,095 --> 01:13:29,015
Speaker 6: some of the summer heat or whether you've got I

1273
01:13:29,055 --> 01:13:32,335
Speaker 6: would be focusing on ventilation, and I think for a

1274
01:13:32,375 --> 01:13:34,375
Speaker 6: small bedroom that might be on the south side of

1275
01:13:34,375 --> 01:13:39,415
Speaker 6: the house, double glazed, well insulated, well constructed a small

1276
01:13:39,455 --> 01:13:42,455
Speaker 6: panel heater just to raise the temperature there in the

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Speaker 6: winter months for a relatively short period of time, give

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01:13:45,935 --> 01:13:49,855
Speaker 6: it and being this is very specific advice to your property, because,

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01:13:50,255 --> 01:13:53,095
Speaker 6: as you said, you're in Auckland, it's a new build,

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01:13:53,775 --> 01:13:59,455
Speaker 6: it's relatively compact. I think that ventilation, having a some

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01:13:59,615 --> 01:14:05,215
Speaker 6: form of ventilation that draws fresh air into or pushes

1282
01:14:05,255 --> 01:14:09,375
Speaker 6: fresh air into your living spaces and extracts moist air

1283
01:14:09,455 --> 01:14:13,215
Speaker 6: from where your kitchen, laundry and bathroom might be and

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01:14:13,335 --> 01:14:16,375
Speaker 6: ducts that to the outside. That's what I'd be focusing on.

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01:14:17,535 --> 01:14:20,175
Speaker 17: So you're speaking of basic extractor fans for.

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01:14:20,735 --> 01:14:24,215
Speaker 6: Year or possibly having a linked system, so a system

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01:14:24,255 --> 01:14:28,175
Speaker 6: that that So ideally what we're trying to do is

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01:14:28,335 --> 01:14:33,735
Speaker 6: create an airflow inside the house that pushes fresh, dry

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01:14:33,935 --> 01:14:37,815
Speaker 6: air or air from outside that might be filtered or

1290
01:14:38,015 --> 01:14:41,535
Speaker 6: cleansed in some way into your habitable spaces, right what

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01:14:41,575 --> 01:14:44,255
Speaker 6: we might call our dry areas. And then as that

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01:14:44,415 --> 01:14:49,135
Speaker 6: comes into the building, it then puts pressure on the

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01:14:49,175 --> 01:14:52,655
Speaker 6: wet areas. So imagine air flowing into your living room,

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01:14:52,735 --> 01:14:55,335
Speaker 6: possibly into your main bedroom and so on. And then

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01:14:55,375 --> 01:14:59,015
Speaker 6: at the same time you've got active extraction happening all

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01:14:59,095 --> 01:15:02,095
Speaker 6: of the time in those areas that typically we have

1297
01:15:02,175 --> 01:15:07,615
Speaker 6: more moisture in, so bathrooms, laundryes, kitchens, so as air

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01:15:07,695 --> 01:15:10,375
Speaker 6: is being drawn into the house into the dry areas,

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01:15:10,495 --> 01:15:15,655
Speaker 6: it's being extracted out of those wet areas, and so

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01:15:15,775 --> 01:15:20,815
Speaker 6: you've got this obviously invisible, constant movement of air that

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01:15:20,935 --> 01:15:24,015
Speaker 6: is drawing in fresh air and extracting moist air out

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01:15:24,055 --> 01:15:25,575
Speaker 6: of the building all of the time.

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01:15:26,695 --> 01:15:29,975
Speaker 17: That's the sort of system. Is that an HRV or

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01:15:30,255 --> 01:15:31,655
Speaker 17: DVS type system.

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01:15:32,455 --> 01:15:32,695
Speaker 15: Yeah.

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01:15:32,975 --> 01:15:35,375
Speaker 6: Look, you know, with the growst respect to them, they've

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01:15:35,455 --> 01:15:39,015
Speaker 6: they've kind of come to dominate the market. There are

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01:15:39,095 --> 01:15:42,215
Speaker 6: other systems by other manufacturers that are out there as well,

1309
01:15:43,015 --> 01:15:47,615
Speaker 6: and there is some subtlety around how all of these

1310
01:15:47,655 --> 01:15:52,495
Speaker 6: systems work. Not all of them have that combination of

1311
01:15:52,815 --> 01:15:55,855
Speaker 6: air in and air out. Air into a dry space,

1312
01:15:55,975 --> 01:16:00,495
Speaker 6: air out of a damp space. So you do do

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01:16:00,575 --> 01:16:03,975
Speaker 6: some reading around it. And you know, again I think

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01:16:04,015 --> 01:16:06,735
Speaker 6: your electricians onto something in terms of saying put some

1315
01:16:06,855 --> 01:16:09,935
Speaker 6: ventilation in. Again, I don't know that you're going to

1316
01:16:09,935 --> 01:16:13,495
Speaker 6: get massive benefit out of heat recovery or heat transfer.

1317
01:16:13,895 --> 01:16:15,815
Speaker 6: This notion that we're going to take warm air from

1318
01:16:15,815 --> 01:16:18,255
Speaker 6: one part of a house and duct it to another

1319
01:16:18,255 --> 01:16:21,175
Speaker 6: part of a house. You'll get airflow, which is a benefit.

1320
01:16:21,295 --> 01:16:23,695
Speaker 6: Whether you get actual heating out of that, I don't know.

1321
01:16:23,895 --> 01:16:27,655
Speaker 6: So the benefit for me would be the airflow. And

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01:16:27,775 --> 01:16:30,775
Speaker 6: you can deal in Auckland with a well inserted building

1323
01:16:30,815 --> 01:16:33,375
Speaker 6: with the heating quite simply by other means.

1324
01:16:34,055 --> 01:16:36,615
Speaker 17: Yeah, thank you. So if I decide later on I

1325
01:16:36,615 --> 01:16:38,055
Speaker 17: want to put a heat pump in, that can just

1326
01:16:38,055 --> 01:16:40,335
Speaker 17: be retrospectively installed. It doesn't have to go in.

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01:16:41,935 --> 01:16:43,855
Speaker 6: You could. But at the same time, I mean, if

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01:16:43,855 --> 01:16:46,135
Speaker 6: you're thinking about a heat pump and you know there's

1329
01:16:46,135 --> 01:16:51,055
Speaker 6: some real advantages to having one. For example, I think

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01:16:51,175 --> 01:16:55,775
Speaker 6: in particular again with Auckland's climate, a heat pump will

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01:16:55,815 --> 01:16:58,335
Speaker 6: be a benefit and asset to you in terms of

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01:16:58,455 --> 01:17:02,655
Speaker 6: cooling right over the summer months when we do get

1333
01:17:02,695 --> 01:17:05,455
Speaker 6: those days where the humidity gets up and it becomes

1334
01:17:05,935 --> 01:17:11,175
Speaker 6: kind of uncomfortable. So and again, because you've got to

1335
01:17:11,215 --> 01:17:14,855
Speaker 6: do penetrations and services, if you're thinking about doing one

1336
01:17:14,855 --> 01:17:17,375
Speaker 6: in the future, it's going to be far cheaper to

1337
01:17:17,415 --> 01:17:21,815
Speaker 6: do one now, okay if you can. I know budget

1338
01:17:21,935 --> 01:17:24,615
Speaker 6: is always important, but you know, given that you've got

1339
01:17:24,615 --> 01:17:26,975
Speaker 6: to run electrical cable, you've got to run ducting, you've

1340
01:17:26,975 --> 01:17:30,135
Speaker 6: got to run services to the outside condensate pipes and

1341
01:17:30,135 --> 01:17:33,495
Speaker 6: so on, it's far easier to do it as you're constructing.

1342
01:17:33,575 --> 01:17:35,095
Speaker 7: So oh that's good.

1343
01:17:35,255 --> 01:17:38,575
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a false to be blunt. It's a false

1344
01:17:38,615 --> 01:17:42,175
Speaker 6: economy to think I'll do it later on. It will

1345
01:17:42,255 --> 01:17:44,375
Speaker 6: never be cheaper than doing it right now while you're building.

1346
01:17:45,575 --> 01:17:48,095
Speaker 17: Yeah, good, good advice. Can I add in one more

1347
01:17:48,135 --> 01:17:51,735
Speaker 17: question point about noise? So next door there's another dwelling

1348
01:17:51,775 --> 01:17:54,135
Speaker 17: and I've got people living next door who're very noisy

1349
01:17:54,175 --> 01:17:58,215
Speaker 17: with a car, and it's single blazing where that dwelling is.

1350
01:17:58,215 --> 01:18:01,375
Speaker 17: Is there anything I can do besides retrofits some double

1351
01:18:01,375 --> 01:18:05,655
Speaker 17: glazing to stop this noisy car coming into a bedroom

1352
01:18:05,655 --> 01:18:08,015
Speaker 17: at night. I just don't know what to do about it.

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01:18:08,175 --> 01:18:11,055
Speaker 6: This is obviously not in the new seventy three square.

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01:18:11,095 --> 01:18:13,575
Speaker 17: At a new build the same section.

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01:18:13,775 --> 01:18:19,655
Speaker 6: Just you know, you can get more acoustically effective glazing,

1356
01:18:19,895 --> 01:18:23,215
Speaker 6: so whether that's double glazing or simply going for a laminate,

1357
01:18:24,855 --> 01:18:28,095
Speaker 6: So you'll get acoustic performance out of a laminate as well,

1358
01:18:28,135 --> 01:18:31,015
Speaker 6: so glass then a laminated layer and then another layer

1359
01:18:31,095 --> 01:18:34,695
Speaker 6: of glass. Certainly you can get acoustic performance out of

1360
01:18:34,695 --> 01:18:39,135
Speaker 6: double glazing as well, So there's two options there really.

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01:18:39,215 --> 01:18:41,215
Speaker 6: But then you know, as soon as you stop the

1362
01:18:41,255 --> 01:18:44,815
Speaker 6: sound traveling through the glazing, it'll find somewhere else to go,

1363
01:18:44,895 --> 01:18:47,935
Speaker 6: so it'll migrate through the walls, it'll go and gaps

1364
01:18:47,975 --> 01:18:50,415
Speaker 6: and cracks around the window, joinery, et cetera, et cetera.

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01:18:51,135 --> 01:18:54,535
Speaker 6: The other mitigating factor is sometimes actually planting can be

1366
01:18:54,615 --> 01:18:58,455
Speaker 6: reasonably well, can do something to sort of baffle noise

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01:18:58,495 --> 01:19:04,775
Speaker 6: from a neighbor, but ideally you'd want to. Ideally you'd

1368
01:19:04,775 --> 01:19:07,135
Speaker 6: be pulling wall lining off, putting in a houstic insulation

1369
01:19:07,215 --> 01:19:09,415
Speaker 6: into the walls, sealing all the gaps and cracks around

1370
01:19:09,455 --> 01:19:13,175
Speaker 6: the joinery, and uplade, upgrading the glazing and that will

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01:19:13,175 --> 01:19:18,295
Speaker 6: help as well. But planting is surprisingly effective as well.

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01:19:19,575 --> 01:19:23,255
Speaker 17: It's a parking area, so it can't but thank.

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01:19:23,095 --> 01:19:25,735
Speaker 6: You, right, yeah, but even if you've got like half

1374
01:19:25,775 --> 01:19:27,975
Speaker 6: a meter or so and you were to do you know,

1375
01:19:28,015 --> 01:19:32,775
Speaker 6: some planting in there, that would Okay, it's not unattractive either.

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01:19:34,495 --> 01:19:38,335
Speaker 6: Enjoy the process and thank you. I know that building

1377
01:19:38,455 --> 01:19:40,535
Speaker 6: can be stressful and all the rest of it, but

1378
01:19:40,615 --> 01:19:43,215
Speaker 6: at the same time, enjoy it. I'm sure it will

1379
01:19:43,255 --> 01:19:44,295
Speaker 6: be a great process.

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01:19:45,015 --> 01:19:48,095
Speaker 17: I have a great team and that's the key.

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01:19:48,215 --> 01:19:49,095
Speaker 3: That's the key.

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01:19:49,295 --> 01:19:51,215
Speaker 6: Fabulous, I'm sure.

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01:19:52,695 --> 01:19:55,295
Speaker 17: Pleasure your father's day.

1384
01:19:55,295 --> 01:19:57,695
Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Kate, and thank you all the

1385
01:19:57,735 --> 01:19:59,855
Speaker 6: this bye by thing. We'll take short break back in

1386
01:19:59,895 --> 01:20:04,255
Speaker 6: a moment quick text before the news, Pete, can you

1387
01:20:04,295 --> 01:20:06,735
Speaker 6: advise do I need a council consent to remove garage

1388
01:20:06,775 --> 01:20:10,575
Speaker 6: store and fit a ranch slider from D I suspect so,

1389
01:20:10,775 --> 01:20:13,495
Speaker 6: because I suspect that what you're doing is change of use.

1390
01:20:14,335 --> 01:20:16,855
Speaker 6: I that's going to become instead of a garage, a

1391
01:20:16,895 --> 01:20:20,575
Speaker 6: habitable space. And if that is the case, then yes,

1392
01:20:20,655 --> 01:20:24,215
Speaker 6: that triggers a requirement for a change of use. So

1393
01:20:24,495 --> 01:20:27,735
Speaker 6: check that out with your local council. A couple more

1394
01:20:27,775 --> 01:20:30,655
Speaker 6: texts will come to those straight after the break. Lots

1395
01:20:30,655 --> 01:20:33,615
Speaker 6: of discussion around heat pumps and ventilation, so we'll carry

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01:20:33,615 --> 01:20:36,375
Speaker 6: on with that and remember rid cliin past in with

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01:20:36,535 --> 01:20:42,735
Speaker 6: us at eight thirty your news talk CB, Welcome back

1398
01:20:42,735 --> 01:20:45,015
Speaker 6: to the program. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1399
01:20:45,095 --> 01:20:46,975
Speaker 6: is the number to call pet Wolf camp here right

1400
01:20:47,015 --> 01:20:50,335
Speaker 6: through till nine o'clock. We can jump into the garden

1401
01:20:50,375 --> 01:20:53,695
Speaker 6: with arid Cline pass at around eight point thirty. We

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01:20:53,735 --> 01:20:57,015
Speaker 6: may even bring that forward because we got a bit

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01:20:57,055 --> 01:21:02,375
Speaker 6: to talk about today. So last week on the program,

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01:21:03,695 --> 01:21:06,415
Speaker 6: over the last little while, we've talked about this population

1405
01:21:06,495 --> 01:21:09,095
Speaker 6: of barn owls right, which has become native to Northland

1406
01:21:09,095 --> 01:21:11,935
Speaker 6: and migrating their way south, which is caused a great

1407
01:21:11,935 --> 01:21:15,935
Speaker 6: deal of excitement and our household for some reason, and

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01:21:16,495 --> 01:21:18,775
Speaker 6: ages ago, I said to look, do you have a

1409
01:21:18,815 --> 01:21:23,135
Speaker 6: plan for an owl box, as in somewhere for them

1410
01:21:23,175 --> 01:21:25,335
Speaker 6: to call home? And he did. He sent me through

1411
01:21:25,335 --> 01:21:27,415
Speaker 6: some plans. I've mentioned it a couple of times, never

1412
01:21:27,455 --> 01:21:29,495
Speaker 6: got round to actually making one, and I promised on

1413
01:21:29,535 --> 01:21:31,735
Speaker 6: the show last week that I would make one this week,

1414
01:21:31,775 --> 01:21:34,975
Speaker 6: which I've done, and in fact I ended up making

1415
01:21:35,015 --> 01:21:37,335
Speaker 6: two because he sent me two different drawings, one for

1416
01:21:37,455 --> 01:21:42,095
Speaker 6: a Dutch design which is elongated and rather spacious, and

1417
01:21:42,135 --> 01:21:46,895
Speaker 6: another one for an English design which is slightly more compact,

1418
01:21:47,255 --> 01:21:50,575
Speaker 6: but interestingly enough two storied. So I've got a single

1419
01:21:50,655 --> 01:21:54,055
Speaker 6: level dwelling and a multi story dwelling, and I have

1420
01:21:54,135 --> 01:21:56,735
Speaker 6: one with a door and one with a detachable roof,

1421
01:21:57,455 --> 01:22:00,655
Speaker 6: one with a tunnel, and one with offset entries, because

1422
01:22:00,655 --> 01:22:03,735
Speaker 6: it's all about apparently making sure that the environment is

1423
01:22:03,895 --> 01:22:07,535
Speaker 6: dark and cozy for them. Two ways to achieve that.

1424
01:22:07,615 --> 01:22:10,815
Speaker 6: One way is having these two entries that are offset

1425
01:22:10,895 --> 01:22:12,575
Speaker 6: so that the light can't shine through. The other is

1426
01:22:12,615 --> 01:22:16,615
Speaker 6: to create a tunnel. Anyway, I've built both of them

1427
01:22:16,735 --> 01:22:18,935
Speaker 6: and spilt some blood in the process, but that's another

1428
01:22:18,975 --> 01:22:21,735
Speaker 6: story anyway. So we're going to talk about those, and

1429
01:22:21,975 --> 01:22:24,055
Speaker 6: if you're interested to see one of them, it's up

1430
01:22:24,095 --> 01:22:26,695
Speaker 6: on my Facebook page. I will put up a slightly

1431
01:22:26,775 --> 01:22:29,255
Speaker 6: more detailed post about that a little bit later on

1432
01:22:29,335 --> 01:22:32,055
Speaker 6: today as well, So we will be talking about that

1433
01:22:32,055 --> 01:22:33,775
Speaker 6: with it. But if you'd like to build something that

1434
01:22:33,895 --> 01:22:36,055
Speaker 6: humans can live in and you'd like to talk about that,

1435
01:22:36,135 --> 01:22:38,375
Speaker 6: then the lines are open right now. Oh, eight hundred

1436
01:22:38,415 --> 01:22:41,015
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty. A lot of talk this morning

1437
01:22:41,095 --> 01:22:45,975
Speaker 6: about ventilation, about heat pumps, about heat recovery system about

1438
01:22:45,975 --> 01:22:53,535
Speaker 6: heat transfer systems, and trying to suppose upgrade the code

1439
01:22:53,695 --> 01:22:56,095
Speaker 6: to allow for this. It's not required in the code

1440
01:22:56,135 --> 01:23:00,335
Speaker 6: bar the requirement to ventilate, which is having a window

1441
01:23:00,375 --> 01:23:04,135
Speaker 6: that opens, a window that can open or the opening

1442
01:23:04,135 --> 01:23:07,695
Speaker 6: size must be five percent of the floor space. But

1443
01:23:07,735 --> 01:23:11,895
Speaker 6: there's a problem with that as well. So typically if

1444
01:23:11,895 --> 01:23:15,175
Speaker 6: you've got a room and it's let's say it's a

1445
01:23:15,215 --> 01:23:17,575
Speaker 6: ten square meter room, then you have to have a

1446
01:23:17,695 --> 01:23:21,815
Speaker 6: window that opens once that half a met half a

1447
01:23:21,815 --> 01:23:25,855
Speaker 6: square meter opening. But then you find that that opening

1448
01:23:25,895 --> 01:23:29,375
Speaker 6: size is calculated on the window opening completely, but if

1449
01:23:29,455 --> 01:23:32,095
Speaker 6: you can fall further than a meter in the threshold

1450
01:23:32,175 --> 01:23:34,175
Speaker 6: is less than seven sixty you have to have a

1451
01:23:34,175 --> 01:23:37,335
Speaker 6: restrict stay. So you have a window that technically complies

1452
01:23:37,335 --> 01:23:39,855
Speaker 6: with the ventilation standards, but because you can't open the

1453
01:23:39,855 --> 01:23:44,215
Speaker 6: window completely, in fact your ventilation area is considerably less,

1454
01:23:44,335 --> 01:23:46,455
Speaker 6: so it doesn't It then doesn't comply, but it does

1455
01:23:46,495 --> 01:23:49,055
Speaker 6: comply with other parts of the building Code. There is

1456
01:23:49,095 --> 01:23:54,855
Speaker 6: some overlap there which is not helpful. But apart from

1457
01:23:55,095 --> 01:24:01,095
Speaker 6: extraction from laundries, kitchens, bathrooms, no, you don't even need

1458
01:24:01,095 --> 01:24:04,455
Speaker 6: extraction from a laundry necessarily, but you do need ventilation.

1459
01:24:05,455 --> 01:24:08,615
Speaker 6: There's no other record for ventilation. We're talking about houses

1460
01:24:08,615 --> 01:24:12,935
Speaker 6: that are increasingly as we build better moving towards air tightness,

1461
01:24:13,015 --> 01:24:16,855
Speaker 6: and so the requirement to bring in fresh air and

1462
01:24:17,655 --> 01:24:21,375
Speaker 6: control moisture inside the building. I think it's more and

1463
01:24:21,415 --> 01:24:26,215
Speaker 6: more critical. Hence ventilation systems, active ventilation systems that can

1464
01:24:26,255 --> 01:24:28,615
Speaker 6: be installed. We've had lots of discussion about that, and

1465
01:24:28,655 --> 01:24:31,135
Speaker 6: a bit about planning as well. It's always a bit

1466
01:24:31,135 --> 01:24:33,135
Speaker 6: of a contentious issue. A couple of people of text

1467
01:24:33,175 --> 01:24:34,975
Speaker 6: and we were talking about a story that was in

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01:24:35,015 --> 01:24:39,615
Speaker 6: The Herald earlier this week. Written by Bernard Oorsman about

1469
01:24:40,415 --> 01:24:45,335
Speaker 6: a homeowner in Green Bay who was shocked, surprised, and

1470
01:24:45,455 --> 01:24:50,415
Speaker 6: upset that council had allowed for a development occurring across

1471
01:24:50,455 --> 01:24:56,015
Speaker 6: the road to then drill underneath the road down their driveway,

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01:24:56,135 --> 01:25:01,175
Speaker 6: install a new manhole to provide access to the wastebaterlone

1473
01:25:01,215 --> 01:25:04,175
Speaker 6: which happened to be pretty much right outside their front door.

1474
01:25:06,895 --> 01:25:12,135
Speaker 6: No contact and certainly no permission requested or given by

1475
01:25:12,175 --> 01:25:15,375
Speaker 6: the homeowner for this to happen, And all of this

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01:25:15,615 --> 01:25:19,535
Speaker 6: requirement for additional stormwater connection came from the fact that

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01:25:19,575 --> 01:25:22,255
Speaker 6: a single dwelling across the road on a corner site

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01:25:22,535 --> 01:25:26,615
Speaker 6: had been removed and councilord granted permission for eight townhouses

1479
01:25:26,655 --> 01:25:29,535
Speaker 6: to go on an eight hundred and twelve square meter

1480
01:25:29,695 --> 01:25:33,655
Speaker 6: site in a effectively a suburban street. You may have

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01:25:33,695 --> 01:25:35,855
Speaker 6: a comment on that as well. Oh eight hundred eighty

1482
01:25:35,935 --> 01:25:39,175
Speaker 6: ten eighty is the number to call a couple of

1483
01:25:39,215 --> 01:25:43,455
Speaker 6: quick texts on this morning peak question for you, as

1484
01:25:43,575 --> 01:25:46,295
Speaker 6: we want to do both. If you had to decide

1485
01:25:46,335 --> 01:25:48,895
Speaker 6: which to do first, between a heat pump and a

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01:25:48,935 --> 01:25:52,815
Speaker 6: home ventilation system, which one would you do first? From

1487
01:25:52,895 --> 01:25:58,375
Speaker 6: grant grant, I would not answer that without asking a

1488
01:25:58,415 --> 01:26:02,935
Speaker 6: whole bunch of other questions, things like you know, what's

1489
01:26:02,975 --> 01:26:06,695
Speaker 6: your house constructed of and whereabouts are you So if

1490
01:26:06,735 --> 01:26:11,455
Speaker 6: it's an older house that's got, like my old house,

1491
01:26:11,815 --> 01:26:14,375
Speaker 6: very little in the way of draft proofing, and I've

1492
01:26:14,415 --> 01:26:16,975
Speaker 6: tried to insulate and so on, but it's still a

1493
01:26:17,135 --> 01:26:20,215
Speaker 6: drafty kind of house, then I would be looking at

1494
01:26:20,255 --> 01:26:24,055
Speaker 6: a different type of ventilation system and maybe a different

1495
01:26:24,055 --> 01:26:27,935
Speaker 6: type of heating system. So I think it's really about

1496
01:26:28,215 --> 01:26:32,295
Speaker 6: having someone do an assessment of your house. It's construction,

1497
01:26:32,455 --> 01:26:37,255
Speaker 6: it's methodology, it's standards in terms of either air tightness

1498
01:26:37,335 --> 01:26:40,895
Speaker 6: or insulation or location is another big thing. If you're

1499
01:26:40,935 --> 01:26:44,015
Speaker 6: in the South Island and it's really cold, versus if

1500
01:26:44,015 --> 01:26:47,735
Speaker 6: you're in the far North where perhaps like Auckland, for example,

1501
01:26:49,415 --> 01:26:52,055
Speaker 6: So much of our focus has been on making our

1502
01:26:52,055 --> 01:26:55,335
Speaker 6: houses warmer, which is good. Our houses need to be

1503
01:26:55,415 --> 01:26:58,695
Speaker 6: at a temperature that allows us to be healthy. But

1504
01:26:58,815 --> 01:27:02,135
Speaker 6: for example, in Auckland, we have more cooling days than

1505
01:27:02,175 --> 01:27:07,855
Speaker 6: we do have heating days. In general, if what we're

1506
01:27:07,855 --> 01:27:10,495
Speaker 6: looking for is an optimum of let's say twenty degrees,

1507
01:27:11,135 --> 01:27:14,655
Speaker 6: that's an optimum temperature for our houses to be. Typically

1508
01:27:14,695 --> 01:27:17,375
Speaker 6: in Auckland, we have more days where we need to

1509
01:27:17,455 --> 01:27:20,135
Speaker 6: cool our houses to achieve twenty degrees than we do

1510
01:27:20,215 --> 01:27:23,375
Speaker 6: have days where we need to heat our houses in

1511
01:27:23,455 --> 01:27:27,815
Speaker 6: order to achieve twenty degrees. So if you're in Auckland,

1512
01:27:27,855 --> 01:27:31,095
Speaker 6: the focus is probably going to be on heat control

1513
01:27:31,735 --> 01:27:36,815
Speaker 6: and potentially cooling for comfort rather than necessarily heating. Now

1514
01:27:36,815 --> 01:27:39,375
Speaker 6: that flips over, of course if you're in parts of

1515
01:27:39,375 --> 01:27:42,095
Speaker 6: the South Island or Central North Island and so on.

1516
01:27:42,335 --> 01:27:46,815
Speaker 6: That's why we've got these very specific climatic zones as

1517
01:27:46,855 --> 01:27:50,015
Speaker 6: part of the building code now, so all of these

1518
01:27:50,095 --> 01:27:55,215
Speaker 6: questions have got to be responsive to the actual environment.

1519
01:27:55,575 --> 01:27:57,815
Speaker 6: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty gives called out. We're

1520
01:27:57,815 --> 01:27:59,975
Speaker 6: talking to it at around eight thirty, but we've got

1521
01:27:59,975 --> 01:28:02,975
Speaker 6: time for your building questions right now. I eight hundred

1522
01:28:03,095 --> 01:28:08,095
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty something use forgot to mention or I'm

1523
01:28:08,135 --> 01:28:11,295
Speaker 6: late to the party in terms of this is a

1524
01:28:11,375 --> 01:28:15,535
Speaker 6: tool issue. So for a number of years now, I've

1525
01:28:15,575 --> 01:28:19,695
Speaker 6: watched tradees arrive and unpack their track saws to do

1526
01:28:19,775 --> 01:28:22,375
Speaker 6: all sorts of work, whether it's cutting sheets or bench

1527
01:28:22,455 --> 01:28:24,735
Speaker 6: tops or that sort of thing, and I've kind of

1528
01:28:25,215 --> 01:28:27,135
Speaker 6: to be blunt, I've kind of poop pooed it a

1529
01:28:27,135 --> 01:28:30,415
Speaker 6: little bit, you know, as in, look, i've got a

1530
01:28:30,415 --> 01:28:32,095
Speaker 6: straight edge, I can clamp it down, i can run

1531
01:28:32,135 --> 01:28:35,015
Speaker 6: the skill saw along, I've got a table saw. Or

1532
01:28:35,095 --> 01:28:36,975
Speaker 6: basically you should just be better at what you do

1533
01:28:37,055 --> 01:28:40,455
Speaker 6: and be able to cut a straight line. And then

1534
01:28:41,615 --> 01:28:43,815
Speaker 6: a little while ago, the guys that dropped me off

1535
01:28:44,255 --> 01:28:46,775
Speaker 6: their track saw, which is fairly new for them. And

1536
01:28:46,815 --> 01:28:49,655
Speaker 6: so these little ol boxes that I've been building, which

1537
01:28:51,655 --> 01:28:53,855
Speaker 6: you will not be surprised, I'm delighted to the fact

1538
01:28:53,855 --> 01:28:56,335
Speaker 6: that I didn't have to spend a cent building them

1539
01:28:56,375 --> 01:28:59,295
Speaker 6: because I had off cuts of plywood and stuff like

1540
01:28:59,335 --> 01:29:02,015
Speaker 6: that made the whole thing using track saw. All of

1541
01:29:02,015 --> 01:29:04,695
Speaker 6: the angles, all of the cuts, everything for these little

1542
01:29:04,735 --> 01:29:07,895
Speaker 6: olboxes all done with a track and I kind of go,

1543
01:29:09,135 --> 01:29:12,535
Speaker 6: why didn't I get onto this earlier? So if you're wondering, yes,

1544
01:29:12,575 --> 01:29:16,855
Speaker 6: they are actually incredibly useful and I've really really enjoyed

1545
01:29:16,935 --> 01:29:19,535
Speaker 6: using it, which has been a bit of an earth

1546
01:29:19,615 --> 01:29:22,415
Speaker 6: shift moment for me. I have to say, right, oh,

1547
01:29:22,495 --> 01:29:24,335
Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

1548
01:29:24,375 --> 01:29:25,095
Speaker 6: call Veronica.

1549
01:29:25,255 --> 01:29:29,215
Speaker 18: Greetings, good morning, Pete. How are you heaven by this day?

1550
01:29:29,295 --> 01:29:31,335
Speaker 6: Thank you very much God.

1551
01:29:31,655 --> 01:29:34,055
Speaker 18: I have a question because you're talking about our ventilation.

1552
01:29:34,375 --> 01:29:38,335
Speaker 18: We've got an a frame house, yes, that has no

1553
01:29:38,455 --> 01:29:40,935
Speaker 18: roof cavity, so it's right down to the ground as

1554
01:29:41,215 --> 01:29:44,855
Speaker 18: an a frame, and we're giving condensation insight, and we

1555
01:29:44,975 --> 01:29:47,455
Speaker 18: literally don't know what to do anymore because nobody seems

1556
01:29:47,495 --> 01:29:50,375
Speaker 18: to be able to help us in terms of a

1557
01:29:50,495 --> 01:29:54,415
Speaker 18: ventilation system or some ideas, and just wondering if you

1558
01:29:54,455 --> 01:29:54,895
Speaker 18: can help.

1559
01:29:55,535 --> 01:29:57,775
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, I can see why it's slightly

1560
01:29:57,815 --> 01:30:00,575
Speaker 6: more challenging because typically what we do is we you know,

1561
01:30:00,695 --> 01:30:02,735
Speaker 6: and houses. We've got a trust roof. It gives us

1562
01:30:02,735 --> 01:30:05,455
Speaker 6: a great big triangle of space and we put all

1563
01:30:05,455 --> 01:30:08,095
Speaker 6: of our ventilation systems in there. And you don't have

1564
01:30:08,135 --> 01:30:13,135
Speaker 6: that opportunity saying that, There are in wall ventilation systems

1565
01:30:14,055 --> 01:30:16,855
Speaker 6: that you can get, and there are some systems which

1566
01:30:16,975 --> 01:30:19,975
Speaker 6: are connected. So for example, at either end of the

1567
01:30:20,015 --> 01:30:24,375
Speaker 6: building where you've got your walls, you could add an

1568
01:30:24,455 --> 01:30:28,415
Speaker 6: integrated system there that talks to each other, so it

1569
01:30:28,655 --> 01:30:34,575
Speaker 6: monitors airflow and humidity and changes air coming in and

1570
01:30:34,615 --> 01:30:40,455
Speaker 6: going out, so air exchanges in a linked and controllable

1571
01:30:40,535 --> 01:30:43,775
Speaker 6: manner through those walls at either end of the building.

1572
01:30:44,055 --> 01:30:49,415
Speaker 6: Potentially you could in fact install ventilation through the roof effectively,

1573
01:30:49,455 --> 01:30:52,895
Speaker 6: which is your walls as well of a system there.

1574
01:30:53,455 --> 01:30:58,215
Speaker 6: The other thing is, so airflow is part of controlling condensation.

1575
01:30:58,535 --> 01:31:01,655
Speaker 6: The other thing is I guess it'll also come down

1576
01:31:01,655 --> 01:31:04,015
Speaker 6: to because I'm guessing with an a frame house, you

1577
01:31:04,135 --> 01:31:07,295
Speaker 6: basically got windows at both ends, a lot on the

1578
01:31:07,455 --> 01:31:08,255
Speaker 6: roof section.

1579
01:31:09,495 --> 01:31:12,375
Speaker 18: Yes, because the roof goes right down to the ground.

1580
01:31:12,495 --> 01:31:16,695
Speaker 6: So do you have any any penetration through that, dormers

1581
01:31:16,815 --> 01:31:19,935
Speaker 6: or anything like that.

1582
01:31:22,415 --> 01:31:25,175
Speaker 18: We've got windows. We've got a window in the kitchen,

1583
01:31:26,335 --> 01:31:29,375
Speaker 18: so the kitchen sort of in the middle. We have

1584
01:31:29,455 --> 01:31:32,575
Speaker 18: windows at the two bedrooms on the side, in the

1585
01:31:32,575 --> 01:31:34,655
Speaker 18: bathroom at the back, and then we've got a big

1586
01:31:34,735 --> 01:31:37,735
Speaker 18: runch larder at the front, and that is where most

1587
01:31:37,735 --> 01:31:41,895
Speaker 18: of the condensation lies. And we've got big windows up

1588
01:31:41,935 --> 01:31:45,575
Speaker 18: above it that have got no curtains or anything like that,

1589
01:31:45,655 --> 01:31:48,135
Speaker 18: and they're really hype. They can't reach them. I think

1590
01:31:48,175 --> 01:31:53,175
Speaker 18: someone measured to the top of about eight and a half.

1591
01:31:55,135 --> 01:31:56,055
Speaker 18: It's a huge space.

1592
01:31:56,695 --> 01:31:59,455
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, one of the things obviously would

1593
01:31:59,455 --> 01:32:02,575
Speaker 6: be to look at double glazing. That if it's single glazed,

1594
01:32:02,655 --> 01:32:06,295
Speaker 6: you're going to get more likelihood of having condensation because

1595
01:32:06,655 --> 01:32:09,455
Speaker 6: the due point will end up on the inside of

1596
01:32:09,495 --> 01:32:12,095
Speaker 6: the glass and that that's where you're getting a condensation.

1597
01:32:13,095 --> 01:32:15,575
Speaker 6: Even if you put double glazing in, which would help,

1598
01:32:16,735 --> 01:32:19,655
Speaker 6: then you'd also want to look at ventilation. You'd want

1599
01:32:19,655 --> 01:32:24,095
Speaker 6: to look at temperature control inside the house. Again. You know,

1600
01:32:24,175 --> 01:32:26,455
Speaker 6: I wonder whether in this instance here where you're trying,

1601
01:32:26,775 --> 01:32:30,895
Speaker 6: you're looking at sort of an integrated system of fairly

1602
01:32:30,935 --> 01:32:33,415
Speaker 6: complex issues, right and you're trying to find a pathway

1603
01:32:33,455 --> 01:32:35,935
Speaker 6: through that is have a look at the eco design

1604
01:32:36,055 --> 01:32:39,815
Speaker 6: service that counsels offer. And the other option is to

1605
01:32:39,855 --> 01:32:45,055
Speaker 6: look at the New Zealand Green Building Council have home

1606
01:32:45,135 --> 01:32:49,815
Speaker 6: Star technicians or home Star assesses as well, again who

1607
01:32:49,855 --> 01:32:52,655
Speaker 6: are kind of experts in this field, and you could

1608
01:32:52,695 --> 01:32:54,775
Speaker 6: invite one of them to come and do an assessment

1609
01:32:54,815 --> 01:32:59,135
Speaker 6: of your property and give you some independent advice. Okay,

1610
01:32:59,335 --> 01:33:01,855
Speaker 6: all right, so check out those when.

1611
01:33:01,735 --> 01:33:04,615
Speaker 18: You asked, when you're saying about the double glazing, is

1612
01:33:04,615 --> 01:33:10,895
Speaker 18: double blazing triple glazing? Is there any advantage or I think.

1613
01:33:10,735 --> 01:33:14,895
Speaker 6: In the most instances you can achieve the performance with

1614
01:33:15,095 --> 01:33:18,455
Speaker 6: double glazing like low eglass and argon filled glass and

1615
01:33:18,455 --> 01:33:20,895
Speaker 6: that sort of thing that you would get in most

1616
01:33:21,015 --> 01:33:25,215
Speaker 6: instances that you know, like triple glazing obviously sounds better,

1617
01:33:25,335 --> 01:33:28,335
Speaker 6: but you can achieve almost all of it with double

1618
01:33:28,335 --> 01:33:31,095
Speaker 6: glazing in most situations. So I presume you're not in

1619
01:33:31,095 --> 01:33:33,055
Speaker 6: the south lower part of the South Island or the

1620
01:33:33,095 --> 01:33:34,055
Speaker 6: central North Island.

1621
01:33:34,855 --> 01:33:38,255
Speaker 18: No, no bere on White Island.

1622
01:33:36,455 --> 01:33:42,095
Speaker 6: So yeah, but it's you know, relatively benign climate, right,

1623
01:33:42,135 --> 01:33:44,055
Speaker 6: that's why you guys live on why Heck, because it's

1624
01:33:44,135 --> 01:33:46,375
Speaker 6: it's always a degree and a half warmer than Auckland,

1625
01:33:46,375 --> 01:33:50,255
Speaker 6: for example. So no, look, I think having a look

1626
01:33:50,295 --> 01:33:52,575
Speaker 6: at double glazing. But you know, I know Auckland Council

1627
01:33:52,695 --> 01:33:56,015
Speaker 6: do have an Eco Design advisor, and certainly there's plenty

1628
01:33:56,055 --> 01:34:00,335
Speaker 6: of home Star rated assesses in Auckland as well that

1629
01:34:00,375 --> 01:34:06,295
Speaker 6: you could call on. So much my pleasure, take care

1630
01:34:06,575 --> 01:34:13,655
Speaker 6: and Michael, greetings to you. Hey Michael, Hello, Michael, Michael

1631
01:34:14,015 --> 01:34:19,615
Speaker 6: Earth calling Michael. He wandered off me thinks hello, someone's

1632
01:34:19,615 --> 01:34:22,095
Speaker 6: listening to the radio going come on, you rang this

1633
01:34:22,135 --> 01:34:25,055
Speaker 6: guy up and now you've wandered off. We might come

1634
01:34:25,055 --> 01:34:26,815
Speaker 6: back to that in just a moment. Oh eight hundred

1635
01:34:26,815 --> 01:34:29,735
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Someone's

1636
01:34:29,735 --> 01:34:32,415
Speaker 6: asked me my opinion on solar systems. Look, I think

1637
01:34:32,415 --> 01:34:35,415
Speaker 6: there's a huge benefit to going solar in terms of

1638
01:34:36,455 --> 01:34:39,655
Speaker 6: resilience if the grid does go down, and I mean, look,

1639
01:34:39,655 --> 01:34:42,255
Speaker 6: we're in an energy crisis right at the moment, so

1640
01:34:42,295 --> 01:34:44,175
Speaker 6: if you can provide your own power, there's got to

1641
01:34:44,175 --> 01:34:49,495
Speaker 6: be an advantage. And I think what's shifted for me

1642
01:34:49,855 --> 01:34:53,095
Speaker 6: most dramatically with solar, because it's something I've kind of

1643
01:34:53,135 --> 01:34:56,215
Speaker 6: been aware of obviously for a number of years, is

1644
01:34:56,335 --> 01:35:00,615
Speaker 6: around the reliability. So I think it's not untrue to

1645
01:35:00,655 --> 01:35:03,975
Speaker 6: say that, let's say fifteen twenty years ago, you'd install

1646
01:35:03,975 --> 01:35:07,055
Speaker 6: a solar system, you'd have the upfront col with the

1647
01:35:07,095 --> 01:35:09,295
Speaker 6: idea that there would be a payback, so after a

1648
01:35:09,295 --> 01:35:12,295
Speaker 6: period of time, the savings on your power bill would

1649
01:35:12,335 --> 01:35:16,735
Speaker 6: have paid for the install cost of the solar system.

1650
01:35:17,295 --> 01:35:21,175
Speaker 6: And to be blunt, typically that was take seven or

1651
01:35:21,175 --> 01:35:23,455
Speaker 6: eight years of savings to pay back for the system.

1652
01:35:23,695 --> 01:35:25,415
Speaker 6: But by that time the system was at the end

1653
01:35:25,415 --> 01:35:28,655
Speaker 6: of its lifespan. So there's no advantage really to doing that,

1654
01:35:29,295 --> 01:35:32,215
Speaker 6: whereas now, and I know life for solar for example,

1655
01:35:32,295 --> 01:35:35,295
Speaker 6: you know they're doing a twenty five year warranty on

1656
01:35:35,375 --> 01:35:38,495
Speaker 6: the panels. That's remarkable, and I know from having been

1657
01:35:38,495 --> 01:35:41,215
Speaker 6: involved with the installation of other systems, and that one

1658
01:35:41,335 --> 01:35:44,375
Speaker 6: and also that one that you know, the effectiveness is

1659
01:35:44,455 --> 01:35:48,095
Speaker 6: far greater as well. So yeah, I think it's something

1660
01:35:48,135 --> 01:35:51,375
Speaker 6: to seriously seriously consider. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1661
01:35:51,375 --> 01:35:55,775
Speaker 6: the number to caour. We'll try Michael one more time. Hello, Michael, Hello,

1662
01:35:56,015 --> 01:35:57,135
Speaker 6: Hello there gotcha.

1663
01:35:58,735 --> 01:35:59,055
Speaker 3: Hello.

1664
01:35:59,495 --> 01:36:06,175
Speaker 7: I want to say Happy Father's Day from your son, Joseph.

1665
01:36:06,535 --> 01:36:10,495
Speaker 6: Fantastic. All right, very clever, very clever. Thank you mate.

1666
01:36:10,655 --> 01:36:15,055
Speaker 6: It's a pleasure. All right, I'll see soon. All right,

1667
01:36:15,215 --> 01:36:18,935
Speaker 6: take care. Right, we're going to be talking to Rid

1668
01:36:18,975 --> 01:36:21,455
Speaker 6: climb past and just a moment, if you've got a

1669
01:36:21,535 --> 01:36:24,975
Speaker 6: question for Ridd. If we're going to jump into the garden,

1670
01:36:25,015 --> 01:36:27,295
Speaker 6: we're going to talk all things gardening. He's been busy

1671
01:36:27,295 --> 01:36:30,015
Speaker 6: in the garden. I've been busy in the workshop. We'll

1672
01:36:30,015 --> 01:36:32,495
Speaker 6: talk to Rudd in just a moment. Oh, eight hundred

1673
01:36:32,615 --> 01:36:34,815
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty. If you'd like to join us, it

1674
01:36:34,935 --> 01:36:40,175
Speaker 6: is eight twenty five your news talks, they'd be and

1675
01:36:41,015 --> 01:36:44,015
Speaker 6: we're just standing by to jump into the garden with

1676
01:36:44,015 --> 01:36:46,135
Speaker 6: the red climb pass to be with us in just

1677
01:36:46,215 --> 01:36:49,575
Speaker 6: a moment. If you've got a question for Ridd eight

1678
01:36:49,695 --> 01:36:53,135
Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. One

1679
01:36:53,175 --> 01:36:55,335
Speaker 6: of the things we will talk about is this whole

1680
01:36:55,335 --> 01:37:01,455
Speaker 6: thing around the the L boxes. So there was a

1681
01:37:01,495 --> 01:37:05,975
Speaker 6: request actually came from my own house to build one

1682
01:37:05,975 --> 01:37:10,495
Speaker 6: of these in order to entice perhaps an OL to

1683
01:37:10,535 --> 01:37:12,215
Speaker 6: come and live at our place for a while, which

1684
01:37:12,255 --> 01:37:14,855
Speaker 6: would be awesome in any way, I went to the expert,

1685
01:37:14,935 --> 01:37:17,055
Speaker 6: which was Rude, and said, hey, can you send me

1686
01:37:17,095 --> 01:37:20,335
Speaker 6: some plans? Which he did. I think he'd forgotten, to

1687
01:37:20,335 --> 01:37:22,415
Speaker 6: be fair, that he sent me two different plans. Of course,

1688
01:37:22,455 --> 01:37:26,815
Speaker 6: I've built two different OL boxes and put up a

1689
01:37:26,815 --> 01:37:28,735
Speaker 6: little video of one of them, and I'll put up

1690
01:37:29,055 --> 01:37:31,495
Speaker 6: a little bit of an explanation about the two different

1691
01:37:31,535 --> 01:37:34,095
Speaker 6: OL boxes a little bit later on. So we'll try

1692
01:37:34,095 --> 01:37:35,535
Speaker 6: and get that sorted out. But if you've got a

1693
01:37:35,655 --> 01:37:38,415
Speaker 6: question for Rud, the lines are open and the number

1694
01:37:38,415 --> 01:37:42,655
Speaker 6: to call is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Just

1695
01:37:42,695 --> 01:37:46,135
Speaker 6: going to check in with a team that we've got Rude.

1696
01:37:46,375 --> 01:37:49,415
Speaker 6: Not yet, I can't hear.

1697
01:37:51,615 --> 01:37:51,775
Speaker 7: Right.

1698
01:37:51,815 --> 01:37:53,655
Speaker 6: We'll come back to that in just a moment. A

1699
01:37:53,655 --> 01:37:55,255
Speaker 6: couple of other quick texts that have come in just

1700
01:37:55,255 --> 01:38:00,055
Speaker 6: before the break. I've talked about the soul before this

1701
01:38:00,215 --> 01:38:05,415
Speaker 6: from a sparky who was talking about installing, you know,

1702
01:38:05,495 --> 01:38:09,015
Speaker 6: like heat transferred systems. Before installing a heat transfer system

1703
01:38:09,095 --> 01:38:11,495
Speaker 6: asks a supply to show evidence of the temperature and

1704
01:38:11,535 --> 01:38:14,975
Speaker 6: the roof because of the construction type, there was no

1705
01:38:15,055 --> 01:38:18,095
Speaker 6: heat in my roof space, so they ended up declining.

1706
01:38:18,175 --> 01:38:20,015
Speaker 6: That's not to say there's not a benefit to putting

1707
01:38:20,095 --> 01:38:23,255
Speaker 6: ventilation in, which I think is really really important. And

1708
01:38:23,335 --> 01:38:25,695
Speaker 6: other text comes through, Hey, look, I've got a late

1709
01:38:25,815 --> 01:38:28,455
Speaker 6: nineteen eighties house with a concrete tile roof. There's no

1710
01:38:28,615 --> 01:38:32,135
Speaker 6: building paper or no roofing underlay underneath the roof. Is

1711
01:38:32,135 --> 01:38:35,655
Speaker 6: that normal? Is that okay? From Blair? Yep, that's still

1712
01:38:35,655 --> 01:38:37,575
Speaker 6: the case today in terms of the building coat. So

1713
01:38:37,615 --> 01:38:40,615
Speaker 6: if it's concrete tile roof with a pitch I think

1714
01:38:40,655 --> 01:38:44,135
Speaker 6: of greater than fifteen degrees, there is no requirement to

1715
01:38:44,215 --> 01:38:48,615
Speaker 6: put a roofing underlay underneath the concrete tile roof, mainly

1716
01:38:48,655 --> 01:38:51,455
Speaker 6: because there's not the same issues with condensation as you

1717
01:38:51,535 --> 01:38:55,455
Speaker 6: might have from a metal roof. If it's less than

1718
01:38:55,575 --> 01:38:58,015
Speaker 6: fifteen degrees, I believe there is a requirement to have

1719
01:38:58,135 --> 01:39:02,575
Speaker 6: a roofing underlay there. So hopefully that answers that one.

1720
01:39:02,975 --> 01:39:05,655
Speaker 6: And this is the classic response every time, and this

1721
01:39:05,735 --> 01:39:07,255
Speaker 6: has been the case for as long as I've been

1722
01:39:07,295 --> 01:39:09,415
Speaker 6: doing the show. Soon as we talk about, you know,

1723
01:39:09,495 --> 01:39:15,455
Speaker 6: making our houses warmer, more comfortable, dryer, et cetera, you know,

1724
01:39:15,455 --> 01:39:19,335
Speaker 6: I get a text that runs along the lines of, oh,

1725
01:39:19,415 --> 01:39:21,735
Speaker 6: come on, you know it was all right back in

1726
01:39:21,775 --> 01:39:25,295
Speaker 6: the day. Yeah, Well, all of the evidence would point

1727
01:39:25,295 --> 01:39:27,455
Speaker 6: that that's not the case. Actually, and some of the

1728
01:39:27,495 --> 01:39:32,015
Speaker 6: longitudinal studies, particularly out of the University of Targo's medical

1729
01:39:32,055 --> 01:39:37,055
Speaker 6: team who've done longitudinal studies on the health impact of

1730
01:39:37,095 --> 01:39:43,815
Speaker 6: living in poor damp conditions is massive. So our houses

1731
01:39:43,855 --> 01:39:46,375
Speaker 6: weren't great and they should be much better. Oh, eight

1732
01:39:46,495 --> 01:39:48,095
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty ten eighty, If you've got a question

1733
01:39:48,175 --> 01:39:49,935
Speaker 6: for it, I think we've got rid up on the line.

1734
01:39:49,975 --> 01:39:54,255
Speaker 3: Hey, get he, get he? Get making it? How's that?

1735
01:39:54,455 --> 01:39:54,655
Speaker 7: Yes?

1736
01:39:54,735 --> 01:39:57,855
Speaker 3: Hey, love, your love, your love. Your photos. I must

1737
01:39:57,895 --> 01:39:58,615
Speaker 3: say they're great.

1738
01:39:58,815 --> 01:40:01,615
Speaker 6: So let's indulge ourselves for a minute, because I did

1739
01:40:01,615 --> 01:40:03,415
Speaker 6: promise that i'd make one, and I have made it.

1740
01:40:03,455 --> 01:40:05,295
Speaker 6: But in fact I didn't make too because you sent

1741
01:40:05,335 --> 01:40:06,735
Speaker 6: me two different plans, right.

1742
01:40:07,015 --> 01:40:08,655
Speaker 3: So I think I sent you three.

1743
01:40:08,975 --> 01:40:10,815
Speaker 6: Oh okay, all right, well that means I'm going to

1744
01:40:10,855 --> 01:40:13,575
Speaker 6: make another one, which is fine, fair, I've had a.

1745
01:40:13,495 --> 01:40:16,055
Speaker 3: Great especially if you want barn owls.

1746
01:40:16,295 --> 01:40:19,415
Speaker 6: Yes, I do want barn owls specifically. What have I

1747
01:40:19,455 --> 01:40:21,855
Speaker 6: now built blood boxes that are not for barn ols?

1748
01:40:22,015 --> 01:40:25,455
Speaker 3: You built two boxes? Said no, no, the two boxes.

1749
01:40:25,495 --> 01:40:28,255
Speaker 3: One one is for the one that has got the

1750
01:40:28,335 --> 01:40:34,135
Speaker 3: offset instances is something that was designed for little owls,

1751
01:40:34,175 --> 01:40:38,335
Speaker 3: which had the German owl. They're actually small owls, very

1752
01:40:38,415 --> 01:40:39,135
Speaker 3: small owls.

1753
01:40:39,335 --> 01:40:41,255
Speaker 6: It's a very big box for a small.

1754
01:40:40,935 --> 01:40:45,055
Speaker 3: Owl I know, I know. And the other one is

1755
01:40:45,215 --> 01:40:49,335
Speaker 3: actually also a box for little owls, but probably ruru

1756
01:40:49,375 --> 01:40:51,775
Speaker 3: would go in there as well, which is of course

1757
01:40:51,855 --> 01:40:57,015
Speaker 3: our native rural owl. Yes, okay, the one for the

1758
01:40:57,695 --> 01:41:01,215
Speaker 3: and I sent them because I feared that for some

1759
01:41:01,295 --> 01:41:04,055
Speaker 3: reason you might not have either gotten it or looked

1760
01:41:04,055 --> 01:41:06,375
Speaker 3: at it. There's a third one from England which is

1761
01:41:06,375 --> 01:41:09,055
Speaker 3: slightly larger for the bar. The banyl is the largest

1762
01:41:09,295 --> 01:41:11,735
Speaker 3: of the three native owls, or the three owls that

1763
01:41:11,815 --> 01:41:15,495
Speaker 3: we have in New Zealand. But look, to be quite honest,

1764
01:41:16,055 --> 01:41:19,015
Speaker 3: a barno might go in the largest ones that you've

1765
01:41:19,015 --> 01:41:22,215
Speaker 3: built anyway, as long as it's got an entrance of

1766
01:41:22,575 --> 01:41:25,375
Speaker 3: something like thirteen fourteen centimeters diameter.

1767
01:41:25,655 --> 01:41:28,935
Speaker 6: Oh, okay, because all of the designs that I had

1768
01:41:29,015 --> 01:41:32,495
Speaker 6: said that the entranceway needs to be somewhere around seventy

1769
01:41:32,575 --> 01:41:34,295
Speaker 6: to eighty millimeters.

1770
01:41:34,215 --> 01:41:39,615
Speaker 3: That's right, and that is for little owls. And I've

1771
01:41:39,655 --> 01:41:41,695
Speaker 3: got little owls in my garden. You see the one

1772
01:41:41,695 --> 01:41:44,615
Speaker 3: that I sent you from the fasting We banned those.

1773
01:41:44,855 --> 01:41:47,735
Speaker 3: This is actually an owl that came from Europe. It's

1774
01:41:48,055 --> 01:41:49,215
Speaker 3: actually a Naedalance owl.

1775
01:41:49,375 --> 01:41:49,575
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1776
01:41:50,055 --> 01:41:54,575
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing. So here you go. The other thing

1777
01:41:54,655 --> 01:41:57,175
Speaker 3: that you were You're quite right by saying that Ponsonby

1778
01:41:57,335 --> 01:42:00,255
Speaker 3: Road is where we found somebody found an owl sitting

1779
01:42:00,255 --> 01:42:00,855
Speaker 3: there in a tree.

1780
01:42:02,335 --> 01:42:02,855
Speaker 6: Amazing.

1781
01:42:03,655 --> 01:42:04,495
Speaker 3: How cool is that?

1782
01:42:04,815 --> 01:42:09,975
Speaker 6: Absolutely? And I know I've seen some photographs Bayswater. I

1783
01:42:10,015 --> 01:42:12,175
Speaker 6: think that was rue that was sitting in the tree there.

1784
01:42:12,295 --> 01:42:14,975
Speaker 6: And then some people that I know over in beech

1785
01:42:14,975 --> 01:42:17,895
Speaker 6: Haven Way had a barn owl crash into the a

1786
01:42:17,975 --> 01:42:21,095
Speaker 6: pool glass and kind of wander around the deck slightly

1787
01:42:21,175 --> 01:42:27,415
Speaker 6: dazed as well, which is pretty awesome. Okay, well, look ill,

1788
01:42:28,495 --> 01:42:31,495
Speaker 6: I may have to. I've still got some plywood leftover,

1789
01:42:32,095 --> 01:42:34,615
Speaker 6: so make another one.

1790
01:42:34,815 --> 01:42:37,095
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what now. But that is the cool

1791
01:42:37,175 --> 01:42:40,575
Speaker 3: thing that we're doing now because these there are other

1792
01:42:40,615 --> 01:42:44,855
Speaker 3: people that are making barny boxes, if you like, and

1793
01:42:44,855 --> 01:42:48,055
Speaker 3: and they they love that sort of idea because they're dry,

1794
01:42:48,135 --> 01:42:53,135
Speaker 3: they're high, they're protected, and it's all good. The other

1795
01:42:53,215 --> 01:42:57,535
Speaker 3: thing I was going to say is that for barnals

1796
01:42:57,815 --> 01:43:01,695
Speaker 3: there are two types of boxes. One that goes inside

1797
01:43:02,015 --> 01:43:05,775
Speaker 3: the barn, yes, because they love to live in human barns,

1798
01:43:06,375 --> 01:43:10,575
Speaker 3: and the other one is probably better for outside buns,

1799
01:43:10,655 --> 01:43:14,135
Speaker 3: but in trees and in such a way that they

1800
01:43:14,175 --> 01:43:16,455
Speaker 3: can have enough shelter from rain and all that sort

1801
01:43:16,495 --> 01:43:19,415
Speaker 3: of stuff. And the sun. It's another thing, of course,

1802
01:43:19,455 --> 01:43:21,615
Speaker 3: hanging them up in the right place. If you hang

1803
01:43:21,655 --> 01:43:24,455
Speaker 3: them in an area where there's always sun, especially in

1804
01:43:24,495 --> 01:43:27,535
Speaker 3: the summertime, you'll find that vinyls start to cook a bit.

1805
01:43:27,535 --> 01:43:28,695
Speaker 3: They get very very hot.

1806
01:43:28,815 --> 01:43:32,495
Speaker 6: Ah okay, because I must have one of the designs

1807
01:43:32,495 --> 01:43:34,615
Speaker 6: has got like a little balcony right.

1808
01:43:34,495 --> 01:43:39,855
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly that's where you go sunbathing. But anyway, the

1809
01:43:39,935 --> 01:43:44,175
Speaker 3: point I love that. The point though, is that we

1810
01:43:44,375 --> 01:43:47,135
Speaker 3: have to be careful not to cook them too much.

1811
01:43:47,215 --> 01:43:49,055
Speaker 3: And the third thing I'd like to tell you that

1812
01:43:49,215 --> 01:43:52,095
Speaker 3: is something that we've just found out here in New Zealand.

1813
01:43:52,095 --> 01:43:56,055
Speaker 3: When those binyals got into Kaitaia in two thousand and eight.

1814
01:43:56,575 --> 01:44:01,735
Speaker 3: Is that these pears have three broods a year. Wow,

1815
01:44:02,695 --> 01:44:07,215
Speaker 3: So imagine it. Imagine that three times four. You with

1816
01:44:07,295 --> 01:44:09,775
Speaker 3: a bit of luck, that's twelve young and a year

1817
01:44:09,855 --> 01:44:10,895
Speaker 3: for just one pair.

1818
01:44:12,175 --> 01:44:15,735
Speaker 6: Fantastic, amazing. Isn't that just incredible?

1819
01:44:15,935 --> 01:44:16,295
Speaker 3: Just it?

1820
01:44:17,015 --> 01:44:17,415
Speaker 15: I love it.

1821
01:44:18,015 --> 01:44:19,655
Speaker 6: And I'll tell you what I was. Actually, I was

1822
01:44:19,695 --> 01:44:24,215
Speaker 6: at an event on Thursday night with Cactus, you know,

1823
01:44:24,255 --> 01:44:28,535
Speaker 6: the clothing manufacturers, right, New Zealand based clothing manufacturers. And Ben,

1824
01:44:28,815 --> 01:44:30,815
Speaker 6: who's one of the owners, was there. Now he actually

1825
01:44:30,815 --> 01:44:33,615
Speaker 6: sits on the board of Forest and Bird as well,

1826
01:44:33,935 --> 01:44:36,095
Speaker 6: so he's active. And we were talking about this whole

1827
01:44:36,135 --> 01:44:39,855
Speaker 6: thing where I guess as government funding for some community

1828
01:44:39,935 --> 01:44:43,335
Speaker 6: organizations dries up and conservation work dries up, in some cases,

1829
01:44:44,135 --> 01:44:48,495
Speaker 6: individuals are taking on the responsibility themselves and they're going, well, actually,

1830
01:44:48,495 --> 01:44:50,495
Speaker 6: we think that this is really important work, so we're

1831
01:44:50,535 --> 01:44:52,295
Speaker 6: just going to carry on and do it. Which is

1832
01:44:52,335 --> 01:44:54,175
Speaker 6: also and that you've been part of the space for

1833
01:44:54,215 --> 01:44:55,735
Speaker 6: a long time. I think, well that's so.

1834
01:44:56,455 --> 01:44:59,415
Speaker 3: Can we trust that sort of stuff? Yeah, absolutely, that's

1835
01:44:59,455 --> 01:45:03,775
Speaker 3: exactly what this is about. And and and and there's

1836
01:45:03,775 --> 01:45:06,735
Speaker 3: another group just actually I got an interesting called just

1837
01:45:06,775 --> 01:45:12,935
Speaker 3: before your missives online from Ethel mccullay. Now, most people

1838
01:45:12,975 --> 01:45:15,615
Speaker 3: who are in Christians will know Ethel McCully because he

1839
01:45:15,735 --> 01:45:18,335
Speaker 3: was one of the guys that ran the McCauley Garden

1840
01:45:18,375 --> 01:45:21,255
Speaker 3: Center see Chrusties for a long time. And it was

1841
01:45:21,295 --> 01:45:23,895
Speaker 3: something that we said last or sorry, something that I

1842
01:45:23,975 --> 01:45:27,295
Speaker 3: said last week when a woman drum rang up and

1843
01:45:27,335 --> 01:45:30,415
Speaker 3: said what would you do with what would you do

1844
01:45:30,495 --> 01:45:34,455
Speaker 3: with chicken manu? And said, I wouldn't use it. And

1845
01:45:34,575 --> 01:45:38,455
Speaker 3: here's Ethel. He's part of Rotary South Christians and they

1846
01:45:38,455 --> 01:45:42,615
Speaker 3: are selling chicken manure and he knows exactly what I mean.

1847
01:45:42,695 --> 01:45:45,295
Speaker 3: So he says, can you please tell people that again,

1848
01:45:45,375 --> 01:45:48,335
Speaker 3: chicken manure itself is not bad, but I would put

1849
01:45:48,375 --> 01:45:51,415
Speaker 3: it through a compost cycle first before I use it.

1850
01:45:51,975 --> 01:45:55,255
Speaker 3: And that makes so much sense, or diluted with good

1851
01:45:56,295 --> 01:46:00,375
Speaker 3: garden mix or you know that sort of stuff. So

1852
01:46:00,535 --> 01:46:03,815
Speaker 3: you don't go to the high faluting chicken manu and

1853
01:46:03,855 --> 01:46:06,815
Speaker 3: put it on your garden because that will burn your plants.

1854
01:46:06,895 --> 01:46:08,095
Speaker 3: Be very careful with that.

1855
01:46:09,615 --> 01:46:12,055
Speaker 6: Just quickly. And because it relates to Father's day, so

1856
01:46:12,535 --> 01:46:16,335
Speaker 6: dad was an avid My dad was an avid gardener

1857
01:46:16,375 --> 01:46:20,175
Speaker 6: as well, right, and so because we were, you know, duchies,

1858
01:46:20,175 --> 01:46:21,815
Speaker 6: and we knew the van Brinks down the road who

1859
01:46:21,815 --> 01:46:24,775
Speaker 6: had the chicken farm. Right, we would go and collect

1860
01:46:25,055 --> 01:46:29,495
Speaker 6: chicken compost manure from there, and Dad, I think, knew

1861
01:46:29,615 --> 01:46:32,015
Speaker 6: intuitively that you didn't put it straight on the garden.

1862
01:46:32,135 --> 01:46:34,775
Speaker 6: So he would go and collect a trailer load of

1863
01:46:34,935 --> 01:46:37,695
Speaker 6: chicken manure from down the road and we'd bring it home.

1864
01:46:37,775 --> 01:46:39,975
Speaker 6: And then he had at one stage it was like

1865
01:46:40,015 --> 01:46:43,335
Speaker 6: an old bath semi buried into the garden, and so

1866
01:46:43,375 --> 01:46:45,495
Speaker 6: he'd fill that up and he'd let it compost down

1867
01:46:45,535 --> 01:46:47,695
Speaker 6: and then he would use it, and in the meantime

1868
01:46:47,695 --> 01:46:49,495
Speaker 6: he put a kind of an old bit of plywood

1869
01:46:49,495 --> 01:46:51,575
Speaker 6: over the top of it. Anyway, I can remember as

1870
01:46:51,575 --> 01:46:54,215
Speaker 6: a kid forgetting that there was a plywood lit on

1871
01:46:54,255 --> 01:46:57,175
Speaker 6: there the ply would it obviously rotted. I ended up

1872
01:46:57,535 --> 01:47:04,295
Speaker 6: knee deep in the pooh. This whole pay.

1873
01:47:02,895 --> 01:47:08,415
Speaker 3: And just an Ivan Brink fam One of those people

1874
01:47:08,575 --> 01:47:15,335
Speaker 3: married one of our my what is his brother in law?

1875
01:47:17,455 --> 01:47:23,535
Speaker 6: The road between Oppertoy and Worry. Yeah, Eve, let's talk

1876
01:47:23,575 --> 01:47:26,815
Speaker 6: to some people. Mike A very good morning, good.

1877
01:47:26,735 --> 01:47:30,895
Speaker 19: Morning, how are you good things? That's good, that's good. Hey,

1878
01:47:31,015 --> 01:47:36,455
Speaker 19: My wife two kids were moving from see what can

1879
01:47:36,455 --> 01:47:40,215
Speaker 19: I dance the Central Otago? Yeah, I was wanting to

1880
01:47:40,255 --> 01:47:41,895
Speaker 19: know what we should be planning at this time of

1881
01:47:41,895 --> 01:47:44,415
Speaker 19: the year and side a gardening tunnel.

1882
01:47:45,055 --> 01:47:46,615
Speaker 3: Where in Central Otago are you?

1883
01:47:48,215 --> 01:47:49,815
Speaker 19: We will be moving to rein Freley.

1884
01:47:50,215 --> 01:47:54,375
Speaker 3: Ren Freury. Okay, okay, so you do get big frosts and.

1885
01:47:54,295 --> 01:47:57,895
Speaker 19: Things like that as far as I'm a yes.

1886
01:47:57,735 --> 01:48:00,535
Speaker 3: Yes you will. Okay. You know what is probably the

1887
01:48:00,575 --> 01:48:02,695
Speaker 3: best thing to do, Mike, and it's and and I'm

1888
01:48:02,695 --> 01:48:06,655
Speaker 3: not joking, is to go for a walk around where

1889
01:48:06,655 --> 01:48:10,815
Speaker 3: you are. You know, go to Renfairly town, see who

1890
01:48:10,855 --> 01:48:14,175
Speaker 3: has got the nicest gardens? What is the stuff that

1891
01:48:14,295 --> 01:48:17,135
Speaker 3: works well there? And you can you know, I would

1892
01:48:17,175 --> 01:48:20,215
Speaker 3: normally send you to a botanic garden if you like.

1893
01:48:20,575 --> 01:48:23,535
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a botanic garden in Renfurley. There

1894
01:48:23,575 --> 01:48:26,815
Speaker 3: will be one in Dunedin. But stay, stay central and

1895
01:48:26,855 --> 01:48:28,895
Speaker 3: go and never look who's got a good garden? And

1896
01:48:28,975 --> 01:48:31,375
Speaker 3: I bet you, Mike, if you knock on the door

1897
01:48:31,415 --> 01:48:35,495
Speaker 3: of a really nice garden, they'll tell you exactly why

1898
01:48:35,575 --> 01:48:39,455
Speaker 3: and what. Because gardeners do that. They share that, they

1899
01:48:39,495 --> 01:48:42,535
Speaker 3: share their knowledge and that is probably the best way.

1900
01:48:42,815 --> 01:48:45,655
Speaker 3: The other thing is to go and you've got to

1901
01:48:45,695 --> 01:48:48,015
Speaker 3: do a lot of work on the internet. I suppose

1902
01:48:48,895 --> 01:48:51,095
Speaker 3: to find out what you can what you can get there,

1903
01:48:51,495 --> 01:48:55,415
Speaker 3: but honestly, go local, ask the local people. I bet

1904
01:48:55,455 --> 01:48:58,095
Speaker 3: you you will find really willing people that will help

1905
01:48:58,175 --> 01:49:02,735
Speaker 3: you out. Awesome, Thank you very much, No worries.

1906
01:49:02,775 --> 01:49:05,455
Speaker 6: Mike, all this Mike, you take care and Robbie, a

1907
01:49:05,535 --> 01:49:10,375
Speaker 6: very good morning to you. Hello Robbie, Hello.

1908
01:49:11,455 --> 01:49:12,255
Speaker 7: Good morning gentlemen.

1909
01:49:13,055 --> 01:49:14,095
Speaker 16: Really the question for you.

1910
01:49:14,695 --> 01:49:16,535
Speaker 7: I've got a lemon tree.

1911
01:49:16,495 --> 01:49:20,855
Speaker 16: And it's now looks like st or something black that's

1912
01:49:20,935 --> 01:49:24,335
Speaker 16: leaned over the leaves, and the whole tree is sort

1913
01:49:24,375 --> 01:49:24,855
Speaker 16: of like it.

1914
01:49:25,695 --> 01:49:26,855
Speaker 7: I just wondered what it might be.

1915
01:49:28,095 --> 01:49:33,055
Speaker 3: That stuff is probably called black sooty mold, which is

1916
01:49:33,095 --> 01:49:36,615
Speaker 3: and and makes sense that name, doesn't it. Are you

1917
01:49:36,655 --> 01:49:39,575
Speaker 3: in the north of our country? Are you in the

1918
01:49:39,615 --> 01:49:44,135
Speaker 3: north Wellington? Well that is that is still the North, Okay,

1919
01:49:44,815 --> 01:49:51,975
Speaker 3: so et ceteras. You will quite often get creatures that

1920
01:49:52,295 --> 01:49:56,415
Speaker 3: suck sap out of the actual plant, out of the leaves,

1921
01:49:56,895 --> 01:50:00,855
Speaker 3: sometimes out of the stems. And it could be meati bugs,

1922
01:50:00,895 --> 01:50:03,215
Speaker 3: it could be scale in sects, it could be aphits.

1923
01:50:03,575 --> 01:50:06,175
Speaker 3: And what these things do is quite an interesting he

1924
01:50:06,455 --> 01:50:10,455
Speaker 3: but they poop out honeyedjew, which is sweet sap that

1925
01:50:10,535 --> 01:50:14,215
Speaker 3: they get from the plant. That honeydew then falls onto

1926
01:50:14,295 --> 01:50:17,335
Speaker 3: the leaves, often on the top side of the leaves,

1927
01:50:17,935 --> 01:50:20,815
Speaker 3: and that is sweet stuff. That is a really good

1928
01:50:20,855 --> 01:50:25,295
Speaker 3: material on which sooty mold grows. So what you're seeing

1929
01:50:25,335 --> 01:50:28,415
Speaker 3: there is the end result of some sap sucking bugs

1930
01:50:29,455 --> 01:50:32,335
Speaker 3: damaging your plants a little bit and pooping out sweet

1931
01:50:32,415 --> 01:50:35,695
Speaker 3: sap called honeyjew on top of that gross sooty mold.

1932
01:50:35,855 --> 01:50:37,775
Speaker 3: What you need to do is think about how to

1933
01:50:37,775 --> 01:50:41,055
Speaker 3: get rid of the scale insects, the mealy bugs, and

1934
01:50:41,095 --> 01:50:47,815
Speaker 3: the aphids. Very simple. Get yourself a material like nim

1935
01:50:47,935 --> 01:50:52,175
Speaker 3: oil or conquerer oil, and you can mix that with

1936
01:50:52,295 --> 01:50:56,775
Speaker 3: a little bit of if you like, pyrethroid insecticides, just insecticides,

1937
01:50:57,135 --> 01:51:00,895
Speaker 3: and spray that on top of those leaves of your plants,

1938
01:51:00,935 --> 01:51:04,655
Speaker 3: of your shrubs, and of your in this case, citrus tree.

1939
01:51:05,375 --> 01:51:08,095
Speaker 3: You'll find that you kill. You will kill the ones

1940
01:51:08,095 --> 01:51:11,175
Speaker 3: that pull all over the leaves below, and slowly the

1941
01:51:11,215 --> 01:51:12,615
Speaker 3: black shooting mold will.

1942
01:51:12,455 --> 01:51:14,615
Speaker 7: Go, oh, thank you.

1943
01:51:14,735 --> 01:51:15,815
Speaker 10: Is it conquered.

1944
01:51:16,615 --> 01:51:21,055
Speaker 3: Conqueror Conqueror oil. It's a mineral oil that you use

1945
01:51:21,175 --> 01:51:24,015
Speaker 3: on plants, your your gun center will know what conqueror

1946
01:51:24,335 --> 01:51:24,975
Speaker 3: oil is.

1947
01:51:26,575 --> 01:51:29,055
Speaker 16: Thank you, okay, thanks very much.

1948
01:51:29,135 --> 01:51:30,375
Speaker 3: Your mine and welcome.

1949
01:51:31,895 --> 01:51:34,895
Speaker 6: All the Robbie. You take care. I think we'll take

1950
01:51:34,895 --> 01:51:36,415
Speaker 6: a break. We'll do that. We'll do that before we

1951
01:51:36,455 --> 01:51:38,575
Speaker 6: talk to and Nett will be back in just a moment.

1952
01:51:40,335 --> 01:51:40,535
Speaker 15: Rud.

1953
01:51:40,575 --> 01:51:42,175
Speaker 6: I'm just looking at the email that you see me

1954
01:51:42,255 --> 01:51:47,655
Speaker 6: yesterday with the barn l nest boxes for inside Trust.

1955
01:51:48,455 --> 01:51:51,615
Speaker 6: So this one now has a balcony from the first floor. Yes,

1956
01:51:51,735 --> 01:51:53,055
Speaker 6: this is a whole new design.

1957
01:51:54,295 --> 01:51:58,055
Speaker 3: No, I know you'd love it, and it needs a

1958
01:51:58,095 --> 01:51:59,855
Speaker 3: licensed building practitioner.

1959
01:52:00,735 --> 01:52:02,735
Speaker 6: I have to say, with the designs you sent me,

1960
01:52:02,935 --> 01:52:05,615
Speaker 6: I couldn't resist but slightly change them. So I just

1961
01:52:05,655 --> 01:52:08,055
Speaker 6: couldn't bring my self to build one with a flat roof.

1962
01:52:08,695 --> 01:52:10,895
Speaker 6: So I've put a pitched roof on them.

1963
01:52:11,455 --> 01:52:14,575
Speaker 3: I think that's lovely because that's exactly what they like.

1964
01:52:14,935 --> 01:52:17,335
Speaker 3: But you know what is the good things, especially that

1965
01:52:17,455 --> 01:52:21,095
Speaker 3: long then one. Quite often you get starlings in there,

1966
01:52:21,855 --> 01:52:25,655
Speaker 3: or or because your hole is now too big if

1967
01:52:25,655 --> 01:52:29,655
Speaker 3: you like, or minus and it is. Yeah, oh yeah,

1968
01:52:29,695 --> 01:52:33,375
Speaker 3: you get them as well. No, no, but what's the

1969
01:52:33,415 --> 01:52:36,575
Speaker 3: point is that we get starlings in our little owl boxes. Now,

1970
01:52:36,575 --> 01:52:38,855
Speaker 3: the little owl is not really big at all. It's

1971
01:52:38,895 --> 01:52:43,895
Speaker 3: maybe at the most eight inches in size. That's all

1972
01:52:43,935 --> 01:52:48,175
Speaker 3: of this is tiny. But when you are styling and

1973
01:52:48,215 --> 01:52:50,735
Speaker 3: you go into a little owl box, you end up

1974
01:52:51,175 --> 01:52:54,535
Speaker 3: paying for that with your life. Those little owls know

1975
01:52:54,655 --> 01:52:56,815
Speaker 3: how to kick them out or kill them, right and

1976
01:52:56,935 --> 01:53:00,095
Speaker 3: then and then they leave the corpses inside the box

1977
01:53:00,415 --> 01:53:03,295
Speaker 3: because what you get is flies. And if the babies

1978
01:53:03,335 --> 01:53:05,335
Speaker 3: come out of the egg, they see the flies and

1979
01:53:05,375 --> 01:53:10,015
Speaker 3: they learn how to and flies. It's absolutely stunning.

1980
01:53:10,135 --> 01:53:11,015
Speaker 6: That's fantastic.

1981
01:53:11,135 --> 01:53:11,895
Speaker 3: It's really cool.

1982
01:53:12,295 --> 01:53:15,215
Speaker 6: I realized though with this one. It requires a barn.

1983
01:53:15,535 --> 01:53:21,175
Speaker 6: And and I don't have a bar to be fair.

1984
01:53:21,615 --> 01:53:24,815
Speaker 3: No, you don't need a bar like something that's European.

1985
01:53:24,895 --> 01:53:30,175
Speaker 6: It all right, all right, I will make it maybe today,

1986
01:53:30,455 --> 01:53:32,455
Speaker 6: maybe not. It's a nice Father's Day things today. And

1987
01:53:32,495 --> 01:53:35,335
Speaker 6: happy Father's Day to you too, mate, and your post day.

1988
01:53:35,695 --> 01:53:37,495
Speaker 3: And oh and is Joseph okay?

1989
01:53:37,615 --> 01:53:40,055
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know he's great. He rang before and said

1990
01:53:40,335 --> 01:53:44,135
Speaker 6: happy Father's Day. So that's nice, right, And hello there.

1991
01:53:44,935 --> 01:53:48,535
Speaker 4: Hello there too, Rude and Pete. Hello, I want to

1992
01:53:48,535 --> 01:53:52,655
Speaker 4: talk dead compost. I've killed it? Can I believe it

1993
01:53:52,695 --> 01:53:53,535
Speaker 4: will come back?

1994
01:53:54,175 --> 01:53:56,215
Speaker 3: What did you do to it? To kill it.

1995
01:53:57,335 --> 01:54:00,295
Speaker 4: Well, I think I've put too many grass put things

1996
01:54:00,335 --> 01:54:00,855
Speaker 4: into it.

1997
01:54:01,535 --> 01:54:03,975
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, no no, that doesn't mean

1998
01:54:04,015 --> 01:54:05,895
Speaker 3: it's dead. It means you've.

1999
01:54:05,735 --> 01:54:09,375
Speaker 4: Actually it's not. It's not roughing anything I put in.

2000
01:54:09,455 --> 01:54:12,215
Speaker 4: I put all the kitchen scraps out there, but it's

2001
01:54:12,215 --> 01:54:12,815
Speaker 4: not roughing.

2002
01:54:13,175 --> 01:54:15,615
Speaker 3: And that's exactly why you're going the wrong way, because

2003
01:54:15,655 --> 01:54:19,135
Speaker 3: even the kitchen scraps are not part, are not needed.

2004
01:54:19,175 --> 01:54:23,735
Speaker 3: That is what you need now is wood chips. Right,

2005
01:54:24,255 --> 01:54:28,775
Speaker 3: So so here's here's a science lesson on compost. Compost

2006
01:54:28,855 --> 01:54:31,575
Speaker 3: is made basically now on two things. The one is

2007
01:54:31,655 --> 01:54:34,295
Speaker 3: one is nitrogen, which is all the grass clickens or

2008
01:54:34,335 --> 01:54:36,455
Speaker 3: the leaves, all that stuff, or you're in most of

2009
01:54:36,495 --> 01:54:39,935
Speaker 3: the food scraps. The other bit that it needs and

2010
01:54:39,975 --> 01:54:42,855
Speaker 3: the large amount of compost, the largest part of the

2011
01:54:42,855 --> 01:54:49,015
Speaker 3: compost is carbon, and carbon is wood chips, branches, that

2012
01:54:49,135 --> 01:54:51,575
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. And if you just keep on putting

2013
01:54:51,575 --> 01:54:54,815
Speaker 3: green stuff in it, you you don't get enough composting

2014
01:54:55,055 --> 01:54:57,415
Speaker 3: going at all. If you're now going to put a

2015
01:54:57,495 --> 01:54:59,895
Speaker 3: lot of that wood chips in and mix it in,

2016
01:54:59,935 --> 01:55:03,135
Speaker 3: if you can with the rake, you'll find that everything

2017
01:55:03,175 --> 01:55:05,935
Speaker 3: will pick up and there will be your compost won't

2018
01:55:05,935 --> 01:55:07,615
Speaker 3: be dead. I'll do you that for free.

2019
01:55:08,655 --> 01:55:11,135
Speaker 4: Well I haven't seen any little wombs or anything in it.

2020
01:55:11,655 --> 01:55:14,535
Speaker 3: No, because they find it a bit too asset. They

2021
01:55:14,655 --> 01:55:16,175
Speaker 3: burned their bubs in there.

2022
01:55:17,775 --> 01:55:18,095
Speaker 7: Always.

2023
01:55:18,135 --> 01:55:23,855
Speaker 4: Thanks, Can I thank Pete briefly? Thank you very much.

2024
01:55:24,095 --> 01:55:26,375
Speaker 4: A long time ago he told me to put PVC

2025
01:55:26,695 --> 01:55:27,415
Speaker 4: windows in.

2026
01:55:27,775 --> 01:55:29,375
Speaker 3: Oh yes, and.

2027
01:55:29,375 --> 01:55:32,615
Speaker 4: I did, and I've now sold the house to my

2028
01:55:33,095 --> 01:55:35,455
Speaker 4: son and he thinks they are absolutely fantastic.

2029
01:55:36,255 --> 01:55:38,895
Speaker 6: Look, I think it's always one of these things. You've

2030
01:55:38,895 --> 01:55:41,375
Speaker 6: got to look at the individual situation and make the

2031
01:55:41,455 --> 01:55:43,815
Speaker 6: right choice for that. And if the PVC was the

2032
01:55:43,855 --> 01:55:45,495
Speaker 6: right choice there, then that's fantastic.

2033
01:55:45,695 --> 01:55:48,335
Speaker 4: So great here I've been meaning to tell you. Thank you.

2034
01:55:48,415 --> 01:55:49,095
Speaker 6: It's a pleasure.

2035
01:55:49,335 --> 01:55:50,215
Speaker 4: Thanks Rude.

2036
01:55:51,535 --> 01:55:53,615
Speaker 6: Both the very best. Hey, let's look at a couple.

2037
01:55:53,775 --> 01:55:55,775
Speaker 6: It's all got time for one more call. Also, if

2038
01:55:55,815 --> 01:55:57,255
Speaker 6: you want to give us a call. Eight hundred and

2039
01:55:57,255 --> 01:56:02,535
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty the number. Gardening questions Germinating peony tree

2040
01:56:02,735 --> 01:56:05,175
Speaker 6: seeds please tree.

2041
01:56:05,655 --> 01:56:09,935
Speaker 3: I have not, literally I have not worked with pone seeds.

2042
01:56:10,575 --> 01:56:16,575
Speaker 3: I think Duly usually gets them from the shop and

2043
01:56:16,575 --> 01:56:20,495
Speaker 3: and plants them directly as seed links. I've never worked

2044
01:56:20,575 --> 01:56:22,295
Speaker 3: up so I don't know now I'm not gonna I'm

2045
01:56:22,295 --> 01:56:23,815
Speaker 3: not gonna dare to do that.

2046
01:56:24,695 --> 01:56:26,775
Speaker 6: And pianis are not a tree?

2047
01:56:26,815 --> 01:56:30,015
Speaker 3: Are they not necessarilyful.

2048
01:56:32,415 --> 01:56:35,575
Speaker 6: Cold, very cold climates for.

2049
01:56:35,535 --> 01:56:39,255
Speaker 3: That in order to flower properly? That's right, right right?

2050
01:56:39,975 --> 01:56:41,855
Speaker 6: Another one from Duneed and is it too late to

2051
01:56:41,855 --> 01:56:44,655
Speaker 6: start sowing seeds. I've collected a lot of seeds from

2052
01:56:44,735 --> 01:56:47,815
Speaker 6: last year, just checking if seed raising mixes the best

2053
01:56:47,815 --> 01:56:52,255
Speaker 6: to use. I'm also hoping the red and cream carcabak

2054
01:56:52,495 --> 01:56:54,815
Speaker 6: seeds will take from Joey.

2055
01:56:55,375 --> 01:56:57,255
Speaker 3: That's a good thing to do right now. I would

2056
01:56:57,295 --> 01:57:01,215
Speaker 3: say seeds are sowing depends on exactly what you're talking

2057
01:57:01,255 --> 01:57:04,615
Speaker 3: about here. But for instance, if I'm now starting to

2058
01:57:04,655 --> 01:57:07,935
Speaker 3: look at my tunnel house, I need differenstance sew seeds

2059
01:57:07,975 --> 01:57:12,815
Speaker 3: for what do you call them? Tomatoes? But the problem

2060
01:57:12,935 --> 01:57:15,735
Speaker 3: is if it's too cold, they don't like that. So

2061
01:57:15,815 --> 01:57:18,855
Speaker 3: you do that inside, and you do that inside the

2062
01:57:18,895 --> 01:57:23,295
Speaker 3: house until literally all frost tender plants need to do

2063
01:57:23,335 --> 01:57:25,975
Speaker 3: that until frost is no longer an issue. It's that

2064
01:57:26,055 --> 01:57:29,655
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. So some varieties can be sown right now.

2065
01:57:29,935 --> 01:57:34,095
Speaker 3: In fact, I've had broadbeans sewing it's themselves over in

2066
01:57:34,215 --> 01:57:39,695
Speaker 3: winter and they are now flowering. Unbelievable, but that does work.

2067
01:57:39,855 --> 01:57:43,215
Speaker 3: But other plants can't handle that. So it pays to

2068
01:57:43,295 --> 01:57:46,815
Speaker 3: google which particular seeds you want a plant and make

2069
01:57:46,855 --> 01:57:48,735
Speaker 3: sure you do it at the right time. But yes,

2070
01:57:48,815 --> 01:57:49,815
Speaker 3: you can sew seeds all.

2071
01:57:49,815 --> 01:57:54,015
Speaker 6: Right, brilliant, Hey Tony, very good morning to you.

2072
01:57:54,295 --> 01:57:59,175
Speaker 16: Good morning, gentlemen. I've got Micaleia bubbles pedging live and

2073
01:57:59,215 --> 01:58:03,335
Speaker 16: all front and I've got the beliefs cooling up and

2074
01:58:03,415 --> 01:58:07,455
Speaker 16: got brownie black spots on them and the falling.

2075
01:58:07,175 --> 01:58:07,975
Speaker 7: Off the tree.

2076
01:58:08,895 --> 01:58:11,575
Speaker 16: But the leaves are all filled up and down spots.

2077
01:58:11,855 --> 01:58:14,855
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it might pay to actually use use some

2078
01:58:14,855 --> 01:58:17,695
Speaker 3: some fungicides on that because it sounds like a fungal

2079
01:58:17,815 --> 01:58:21,895
Speaker 3: infliction if you like, and fung sides plant, you know,

2080
01:58:21,935 --> 01:58:25,615
Speaker 3: for plants to stop that brown spot actually getting on

2081
01:58:25,695 --> 01:58:28,815
Speaker 3: with it is important. So what I would use is

2082
01:58:28,815 --> 01:58:34,375
Speaker 3: a systemic fungicide. Go to your local garden center systemic

2083
01:58:34,695 --> 01:58:37,775
Speaker 3: funger side, something like, well, there's all sorts of the

2084
01:58:37,815 --> 01:58:40,175
Speaker 3: bits and oh, there's all sorts of varieties there, but

2085
01:58:40,335 --> 01:58:42,775
Speaker 3: ask for a systemic that is taken into the plant

2086
01:58:42,975 --> 01:58:47,495
Speaker 3: and basically stops these fungi from developing on your leaves.

2087
01:58:49,215 --> 01:58:49,455
Speaker 7: Thanks.

2088
01:58:49,495 --> 01:58:52,015
Speaker 16: For yet.

2089
01:58:53,375 --> 01:58:57,615
Speaker 6: I'm listening attentively because we have Michaelia Grappi's at home.

2090
01:58:58,375 --> 01:59:00,175
Speaker 6: But thankfully and reasonably good health.

2091
01:59:00,815 --> 01:59:04,535
Speaker 3: That's it. Sometimes when it's too wet and too cold,

2092
01:59:04,655 --> 01:59:07,855
Speaker 3: it can get these fungal problems. Yes, all sorts of.

2093
01:59:07,775 --> 01:59:10,935
Speaker 6: Things, right quick one from you, Richard greetings.

2094
01:59:11,615 --> 01:59:19,415
Speaker 20: Yea good good morning. Hey, Marsian lawn. I sprayed the lawn,

2095
01:59:19,615 --> 01:59:22,615
Speaker 20: the marshy part with your wit and for it. It

2096
01:59:22,775 --> 01:59:25,335
Speaker 20: all died off nicely, yellowed and everything. What do I

2097
01:59:25,375 --> 01:59:25,815
Speaker 20: do with it?

2098
01:59:25,855 --> 01:59:30,095
Speaker 3: Now? I would suggest you change the pH that means

2099
01:59:30,135 --> 01:59:34,735
Speaker 3: the acidity of the soil by literally putting lime on it,

2100
01:59:35,335 --> 01:59:41,455
Speaker 3: not not not dolomite lime, but agricultural lime or normal

2101
01:59:41,495 --> 01:59:43,815
Speaker 3: lime or whatever you want to call it. And that

2102
01:59:44,015 --> 01:59:47,535
Speaker 3: will change the pH and that will that will really

2103
01:59:47,735 --> 01:59:49,255
Speaker 3: disadvantage the moths.

2104
01:59:50,415 --> 01:59:53,735
Speaker 20: Okay, your morning, welcome mate.

2105
01:59:53,775 --> 01:59:57,215
Speaker 6: Go well, what's the distribution rate? Is it like a

2106
01:59:57,255 --> 01:59:57,975
Speaker 6: handful to.

2107
01:59:59,735 --> 02:00:03,855
Speaker 3: Or you've gotta be a lecense building partitioner to do

2108
02:00:03,975 --> 02:00:08,015
Speaker 3: that a handful to the meter roughly? No, but yeah,

2109
02:00:08,055 --> 02:00:09,775
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know, yeah it is.

2110
02:00:10,295 --> 02:00:11,935
Speaker 6: Actually I took your advice. I went and got some

2111
02:00:12,015 --> 02:00:14,375
Speaker 6: nitro foscar blue the other day and yeah, around hand

2112
02:00:14,415 --> 02:00:17,495
Speaker 6: plum tree and it was a handful or eighty grams

2113
02:00:17,895 --> 02:00:20,695
Speaker 6: per square meter to be fair. I don't have a

2114
02:00:20,775 --> 02:00:22,495
Speaker 6: scale in the workshop, but I.

2115
02:00:22,495 --> 02:00:27,495
Speaker 3: Don't do I this is the point and the handful

2116
02:00:27,535 --> 02:00:29,575
Speaker 3: to the square meter is something that is like is

2117
02:00:30,015 --> 02:00:32,935
Speaker 3: years old in gardening. It's been there all the it's

2118
02:00:32,975 --> 02:00:35,055
Speaker 3: like you know, putting your finger out, said that's four inches.

2119
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Speaker 6: Thank you mate, first to September, not the first day

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Speaker 6: of spring. Will come down when I visit that on

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Speaker 6: the twenty first.

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Speaker 3: Jack Dam had to go at that two.

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Speaker 6: Take care mate, Happy Faur's day, all the best, Thanks folks,

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Speaker 6: thanks for your company. It's been absolute pleasure. See you

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Speaker 6: next Sunday.

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