1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Our government moved on the downtown issues. Of course at 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: the homelessness and the troubled move on orders will be 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: issued penalties two thousand dollars which seems ironic or three 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: months in jail. Steve what is the president of the 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Police Association And as with us, Steve morning, Good morning, Mike, 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:15,079 Speaker 1: You've got some questions around this. 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think the issue for us is that 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: what's we acknowledge is a problem there. For police, this 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: is yet another job they have to do with already 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: stretch resources. We simply don't have the men and woman 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: power in order to deal with. 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: This problem, don't you. I see cops walking downtown Auckland. 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: It's one of the great relief sites we've seen as 14 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: a result of the new government. If they're walking downtown Auckland, 15 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: why can't they simply move people on? 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: The reality of this situation is that these men and 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: women have a multitude of issues, Mike. So we're talking 18 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: about housing issues, mental health issues, financial issues. Police aren't 19 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: equipped and don't have the skills in order to deal 20 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: with those complex issues. Not to mention as I resourcing problem. 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: Right, don't you take them to an agency that you 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: would have an agreement with already who deal with those 23 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: sort of things. 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: And that might be all very well in the biggest centers, 25 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: but not every place has those agencies that are available 26 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: in order for us to take them there. And then 27 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: there's a question of you know, do those agencies have 28 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: the capacity to deal with this increased problem. 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: When you say, but it is a big city issue 30 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: by in large, isn't it. We're talking Auckland, Wellington, christ 31 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: which buy in large. 32 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 33 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 34 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: What you're going to remember too, though, is that if 35 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: we're taking these people to you know, another center, an 36 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: agency who's dealing with your burglary, while that CoP's taking 37 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: a homeless person to you know, a social agency, we 38 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: just simply don't have those resources and it's the public 39 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: that are going to miss out when the cops don't 40 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: turn up to attend the burglar of the delayed. 41 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: Steve, you sound like you've got a bad attitude. 42 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: No, not at all, No anymal ack knowledge the problem, Like. 43 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean, so this is the same old just worries me. 44 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: The public service in general, whatever the government says, don't 45 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: want to do it. 46 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: No, not at all. It's about getting the right resource 47 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: to tackle the problem and I appreciate polease are that 48 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: twenty four to seven agency that always respond, that gets 49 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: things done. But the reality is is we can't be 50 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff every time. 51 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: What we have to deal with the police. 52 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: What we have to do is look at the problem 53 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: and determine what's the best resource to deal with it. 54 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: And I'd suggest in this case, it's not police. 55 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: You sound like a social worker. If somebody is If 56 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: somebody is lying across the footpath and abusing me because 57 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: they're high on drugs and they're causing a disturbance to 58 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: the peace, and I can't open my business or I 59 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: can't go into a shop. That's your job, isn't it. 60 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: And when you talk about Summary Offenses Act, there's offenses 61 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: in there that we can deal with disorderly behavior. We 62 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: can arrest people for disorderly behavior. We can arrest people 63 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: for threatening behavior of behavior that's not an issue, and 64 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: we do that on a daily basis. That's not what 65 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: we're talking about here. We're talking about move on orders 66 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: from someone who hasn't committed an offense. 67 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Steve, appreciate it. Steve, what Police Association 68 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: President he's new about him. The primus has got a 69 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: problem with us, not just this, just generally. This goes 70 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: back to the moverification of the army last week. It 71 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: seems that whatever the government does, the public service pushback 72 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: and go we don't like that, or we don't want that, 73 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: or they just ignore it and don't do it anyway. 74 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 75 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: news talks. 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