WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 179: Can the West Indies improve for their third test? 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:12.013 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:15.213 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.373 --> 0:00:19.653 iHeart Radio. 0:00:21.413 --> 0:00:22.013 Take another pad. 0:00:22.093 --> 0:00:24.173 Now it's a trick. 0:00:24.733 --> 0:00:30.413 It is out. The Test is over. Goodness smooth, wows 0:00:30.453 --> 0:00:33.053 a beauty. It is out and hearing guys. 0:00:33.133 --> 0:00:35.573 This delivery has in the uses to Bowl. 0:00:37.813 --> 0:00:41.173 On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 0:00:41.493 --> 0:00:45.413 powered by News Talks head B at iHeartRadio. 0:00:47.293 --> 0:00:50.213 Hello, here we are on the front foots again. Louis 0:00:50.253 --> 0:00:54.413 Didnay couldn't sustain their batting format. Brent Bridge who should 0:00:54.453 --> 0:00:58.613 be the black cats next bowling coach? And there's turmoil 0:00:58.813 --> 0:01:01.053 in the women's game up the failure of a white 0:01:01.093 --> 0:01:05.613 fern to win a game in England. Boy, wasn't that 0:01:05.773 --> 0:01:09.013 a fat time for our women cricketers. But it was 0:01:09.053 --> 0:01:11.933 a sad time for the West Indies who Jeremy Coney. 0:01:11.973 --> 0:01:15.493 They made a good turnaround, much better effort from them. 0:01:15.893 --> 0:01:18.773 They got a first in into league, but couldn't sustain it, 0:01:18.773 --> 0:01:19.133 could they? 0:01:19.453 --> 0:01:24.773 I was, yeah, right, yeah, I think I suppose what 0:01:24.813 --> 0:01:27.573 we've said last week in a way, wasn't it that 0:01:28.453 --> 0:01:31.773 It's not as if Test cricket is completely dead and 0:01:32.133 --> 0:01:35.533 you know, dead in the water. But it's you know, 0:01:35.613 --> 0:01:38.453 they were better overall, weren't they. 0:01:39.813 --> 0:01:44.133 Like any side? You know, yeah, exactly. 0:01:44.893 --> 0:01:48.533 And that's some of the problems, isn't it for developing 0:01:48.613 --> 0:01:52.253 teams like the West Indies. We all know their situation. 0:01:52.973 --> 0:01:56.413 They can't pick their best players, we know that. So 0:01:56.493 --> 0:01:59.893 they've got a younger side, lots of them have hardly 0:01:59.933 --> 0:02:05.453 played any Test matches and it makes a few games 0:02:05.493 --> 0:02:09.053 of cricket, doesn't it. And look, five days of competitive 0:02:09.053 --> 0:02:10.493 cricket can expose you. 0:02:10.613 --> 0:02:11.493 And yet they. 0:02:11.373 --> 0:02:15.533 Lasted what three and a half days and were very, 0:02:15.653 --> 0:02:19.373 very competitive, and they're up against the side that plays 0:02:19.413 --> 0:02:22.693 probably what would you say, twice as many Tests a 0:02:22.853 --> 0:02:27.373 year than they play anybody exactly, And so you do 0:02:27.493 --> 0:02:31.093 become vulnerable at a point against a team like England 0:02:31.493 --> 0:02:33.893 and you're chasing a total of say three to eighty 0:02:34.373 --> 0:02:37.013 the balls turning and they fell at a heap in 0:02:37.053 --> 0:02:37.573 a session. 0:02:38.093 --> 0:02:41.253 They couldn't play spin, and that's understandable. On a slow 0:02:41.333 --> 0:02:44.453 track they didn't have the expertise to play. But they've 0:02:44.453 --> 0:02:48.853 got some good players amongst that group. You know, Hodge 0:02:48.973 --> 0:02:52.453 has been around a while, but by gosh, that century 0:02:52.533 --> 0:02:54.893 got in the first innings was good to watch. I 0:02:54.973 --> 0:02:58.653 watch most of the partnership with the Athenase and it 0:02:58.733 --> 0:03:02.053 was good cricket. They were matching the England attack and 0:03:02.133 --> 0:03:07.333 making them look, you know, a less than powerful organization. 0:03:07.413 --> 0:03:09.813 But of course in their own conditions they're going to 0:03:09.893 --> 0:03:14.453 be a strong bowling attack, even though it's relatively new. 0:03:15.133 --> 0:03:18.173 Is it a strong bowling attack that could beat Australia, 0:03:18.453 --> 0:03:21.293 don't know, but it's good enough against the West Indies 0:03:21.493 --> 0:03:24.853 and the next batting that they're playing a Sri Lanka 0:03:24.893 --> 0:03:28.013 I think, isn't it. So you know, they've got the 0:03:28.093 --> 0:03:32.213 advantages of playing fairly weak sides to get themselves into 0:03:32.453 --> 0:03:36.053 some kind of rhythm for I too down here and 0:03:36.093 --> 0:03:38.133 then an Ashes series in Australia. 0:03:38.893 --> 0:03:42.573 They West Indies won the toss field at first. That's 0:03:42.613 --> 0:03:46.573 pretty understandable, isn't it, after after what had happened in 0:03:46.613 --> 0:03:51.173 the at Lord's. Yeah, And they didn't have and they 0:03:51.213 --> 0:03:55.053 didn't have Moti who was this main spinner who was 0:03:55.133 --> 0:03:58.213 out and they used three during the match. A guy 0:03:58.253 --> 0:04:02.613 called Sinclair, Kevin Sinclud's who bowls off breaks and bats 0:04:02.653 --> 0:04:05.293 about number eight and breathweight bowls a few off breaks 0:04:05.293 --> 0:04:09.093 and Kavin Hodge. You just mentioned the balls left orthodox 0:04:10.253 --> 0:04:10.893 and you. 0:04:10.853 --> 0:04:13.613 Know they they worked pretty hard. 0:04:13.773 --> 0:04:18.853 I thought even in the second innings wards, when when 0:04:18.933 --> 0:04:23.813 Brooke and Root had both scored hundreds, they didn't give up. 0:04:25.013 --> 0:04:28.253 They they at that stage. I don't know what the 0:04:28.293 --> 0:04:30.853 score was, but England must have been four for what 0:04:31.093 --> 0:04:36.613 three hundred and something three forty whatever they lost they 0:04:36.973 --> 0:04:41.213 they lost their last six wickets for about ninety runs. 0:04:41.853 --> 0:04:46.013 That the West Indies didn't give up. I mean there 0:04:46.093 --> 0:04:49.013 was some good, good Test cricket that that day when 0:04:49.053 --> 0:04:51.493 Wood was bowling. Wods wasn't there? Did you see some 0:04:51.573 --> 0:04:53.093 of that? How fast he was bowling? 0:04:53.493 --> 0:04:56.893 Yeah, yeah, he was pretty lethal. And you know, I 0:04:56.933 --> 0:05:00.693 think the comment was made by one of the Westerning 0:05:00.773 --> 0:05:03.093 players that he was thinking of his family and could 0:05:03.453 --> 0:05:04.853 would also think of his family. 0:05:07.933 --> 0:05:10.893 That's right, my wife's I'm thinking of a wife here. 0:05:11.613 --> 0:05:16.333 This is not cricket any longer. Yes, it's interesting, isn't it. 0:05:17.133 --> 0:05:21.293 But you know Wood bowl, you know, like the wind. 0:05:21.653 --> 0:05:25.813 Actually I saw him expose Australia and the Ashes a 0:05:25.933 --> 0:05:29.173 year or so ago. He knocked over Kowaja and it 0:05:29.213 --> 0:05:32.653 was thrilling watching to see a guy bowling I would 0:05:32.693 --> 0:05:37.053 have said in the mid nineties. And he started in 0:05:37.093 --> 0:05:41.373 this match, this last match, and I think about ninety three, 0:05:42.013 --> 0:05:44.613 and then it went up to ninety five and then. 0:05:44.533 --> 0:05:45.693 It hit ninety seven. 0:05:46.493 --> 0:05:50.253 Well that's about one hundred and fifty seven or one 0:05:50.333 --> 0:05:54.693 hundred and fifty eight clicks, and you know, really he 0:05:54.853 --> 0:05:58.693 was flinging himself at the batsman. It was a bit 0:05:58.813 --> 0:06:01.493 like I hadn't seen that since i'd seen show back 0:06:01.533 --> 0:06:06.573 to Bowl. I'd seen Brett Lee bowl Alan Donald at times. 0:06:07.653 --> 0:06:13.013 But Wood is up there and maybe they won't yeah, 0:06:13.053 --> 0:06:15.373 maybe they won't let him. And then it was back 0:06:15.413 --> 0:06:18.053 to the WESTERNI is when I was facing them, and 0:06:18.453 --> 0:06:20.613 I knew what Kavim Hodge. 0:06:20.253 --> 0:06:21.093 Was going through. 0:06:21.573 --> 0:06:25.453 So it wasn't perhaps as clinical as the Western because 0:06:25.573 --> 0:06:29.613 they spent you know, years playing in county cricket, but 0:06:29.693 --> 0:06:32.973 the raw speed, nevertheless, it was it was really good 0:06:32.973 --> 0:06:37.053 to watch, So well done the Western is for surviving 0:06:37.133 --> 0:06:40.733 that part. They just didn't play long enough. Give them 0:06:40.773 --> 0:06:43.253 some more games. That's a problem, isn't it. There's no 0:06:43.413 --> 0:06:45.133 games in between the tests. 0:06:45.853 --> 0:06:48.533 They've got to get ready for edge person. That won't 0:06:48.573 --> 0:06:50.493 be an easy pitch. In fact, that's quite a difficult 0:06:50.533 --> 0:06:52.733 pitch to play on, and they've got the Test match there. 0:06:53.053 --> 0:06:56.333 I see that they're very bold now England, they're coming 0:06:56.333 --> 0:06:59.893 out oli Pope says they can score six hundred in 0:06:59.933 --> 0:07:02.573 a day. Well, the best they've done was about twenty 0:07:02.613 --> 0:07:05.973 two years ago against Bangladesh five hundred and nine for nine, 0:07:06.453 --> 0:07:08.773 and more recently they scored five hundred six in a 0:07:08.853 --> 0:07:13.773 day against Pakistan and Raul Pindy. So they're certainly starting 0:07:13.773 --> 0:07:16.693 to believe in themselves. I won't say it's an impossibility. 0:07:16.973 --> 0:07:19.613 It could happen, but you're going to have to be 0:07:19.653 --> 0:07:22.973 playing pretty well. It'score six hundred in a day against 0:07:23.573 --> 0:07:27.253 you know, the Ilford second eleven pretty much, wouldn't you. 0:07:27.373 --> 0:07:34.573 Well, yeah, it could happen. You'd have to be dropping 0:07:34.613 --> 0:07:36.893 a few catches. You'd think it's six hundred that they're 0:07:36.893 --> 0:07:40.613 having to play quite a few shots, so you can 0:07:40.653 --> 0:07:45.133 make mistakes. Of course, when you're doing that and you've 0:07:45.213 --> 0:07:48.773 really got the catching becomes suddenly very very important as well. 0:07:49.213 --> 0:07:56.053 So we'll wait and see. Yeah, Edgeburston, it doesn't. It's 0:07:56.093 --> 0:07:59.213 generally a drier pitchure. It turns a wee bit and 0:07:59.213 --> 0:08:01.933 it starts in a couple of days, doesn't it. There's, 0:08:02.133 --> 0:08:06.293 as I say, no preparation in between games at all 0:08:07.053 --> 0:08:09.653 to give batsman a go and give them a chance 0:08:09.693 --> 0:08:12.813 again or bowlers to have a rest or just a 0:08:12.933 --> 0:08:18.253 chance to take a breath. Really, So yeah, I hope 0:08:18.253 --> 0:08:21.773 the West Indies are able to build on that second Test. 0:08:22.733 --> 0:08:26.413 They got a bit out of it, I think, and 0:08:26.493 --> 0:08:29.933 so let's let's hope that they can. But show Bashir 0:08:30.133 --> 0:08:33.213 also was the man for the second innings for England, 0:08:33.253 --> 0:08:35.533 wasn't he. I mean, he's that's going to be interesting 0:08:35.573 --> 0:08:36.613 at the baseminds. 0:08:37.253 --> 0:08:39.853 You know, we've watched that pitch last. 0:08:39.653 --> 0:08:43.893 Year and we saw Nathan Lyon how he destroyed New Zealand. 0:08:45.293 --> 0:08:46.853 This guy Basher. 0:08:48.093 --> 0:08:52.333 Turns it, you know, quite dramatically, and he's quite tall. 0:08:53.013 --> 0:08:54.533 He doesn't really give it. 0:08:54.973 --> 0:08:57.453 He bowls into the pitch, doesn't give you a chance 0:08:57.493 --> 0:08:59.053 to go down the pitch too much. 0:08:59.733 --> 0:09:01.493 So he's going to be a handful. 0:09:01.733 --> 0:09:05.573 Tough time for the West in these tough times for 0:09:05.893 --> 0:09:10.973 the New Zealand women's team. The England clean sweep over 0:09:11.013 --> 0:09:13.293 the New Zealand side, winning all eight matches in the 0:09:13.333 --> 0:09:18.253 white ball format, shows a glaring concern for women's international 0:09:18.293 --> 0:09:21.733 cricket generally. Yes, England a good Australia, good South Africa, 0:09:21.933 --> 0:09:24.133 India other side that I think are going to be 0:09:24.893 --> 0:09:27.533 the more dangerous side coming up. But the White Fans, 0:09:28.013 --> 0:09:30.213 who won't the bronze medal at the Cononwealth Games by 0:09:30.293 --> 0:09:34.333 beating England, have now lost those eight games to them. 0:09:34.533 --> 0:09:37.813 And when you look at the teams, nine of the 0:09:37.853 --> 0:09:41.733 eleven who played at Edgeburston were playing in the last 0:09:41.773 --> 0:09:45.373 match that the White Fans played and nine of the 0:09:45.573 --> 0:09:49.733 England players were in that side. But they've been winning. 0:09:49.893 --> 0:09:54.573 New Zealand have been struggling. And the interesting comment came 0:09:55.013 --> 0:09:58.293 from that series through the former New Zealand all rounder 0:09:58.853 --> 0:10:02.013 Frankie McKay, at least a decade away from catching up 0:10:02.013 --> 0:10:06.173 with England and Australia, she says, well, that's a fairly 0:10:06.333 --> 0:10:09.613 savage criticism of of where New Zealand is at, but 0:10:09.613 --> 0:10:12.213 it may well be right. Joining on the front foot 0:10:12.373 --> 0:10:15.733 is Kirsty Bond, former New Zealand player and also a 0:10:15.733 --> 0:10:18.333 former selector over a long period of time for the 0:10:18.333 --> 0:10:21.933 White Ferns. Kirsty, is it a fair assessment from Frankie? 0:10:22.533 --> 0:10:25.933 I would think that's probably fairly fair. I mean to 0:10:26.053 --> 0:10:30.973 be honest with you, it's a real worry and I 0:10:31.013 --> 0:10:33.533 think it is quite hard to see at the moment 0:10:33.573 --> 0:10:37.333 how we're going to bridge that gap. It's just gone 0:10:37.333 --> 0:10:42.093 on for such a long time now that is really 0:10:42.133 --> 0:10:44.453 difficult to see where we're going to go from here 0:10:44.533 --> 0:10:47.413 and with what the short term solutions are. 0:10:47.533 --> 0:10:51.173 Really the short term solutions are probably the most important 0:10:51.173 --> 0:10:53.893 at the moment, although the long term goals also have 0:10:54.013 --> 0:10:56.853 to be considered, because there was a lot of positive 0:10:56.893 --> 0:11:00.573 air about the professional contracts that players were getting and 0:11:00.613 --> 0:11:05.013 the fact that there were opportunities for the women players 0:11:05.093 --> 0:11:09.693 to progress. Is it all about money or I know 0:11:09.773 --> 0:11:12.853 that finance is going to be a significant part of it, 0:11:12.893 --> 0:11:17.333 But does there need to be other areas where investments 0:11:17.573 --> 0:11:18.373 should be made. 0:11:18.613 --> 0:11:22.613 Yes, well, it's not just all about the money. Obviously, 0:11:23.213 --> 0:11:27.973 we do need significant injection of capital, I think into 0:11:28.053 --> 0:11:31.533 the game to try and make some progress. You Know. 0:11:31.933 --> 0:11:35.373 The sad thing is when from from when I played 0:11:35.373 --> 0:11:39.413 the game through most of the nineties, late eighties, most 0:11:39.453 --> 0:11:42.213 of the nineties, you know, there were some really significant 0:11:42.213 --> 0:11:45.173 progress made with the white fans through that through that period, 0:11:45.213 --> 0:11:47.493 I feel, you know, we made two World Cup finals 0:11:47.573 --> 0:11:51.053 during that decade we really started to develop some depth 0:11:51.053 --> 0:11:53.573 in the White Fans and then of course in two 0:11:53.573 --> 0:11:56.093 thousand the White Fans won the World Cup, which is 0:11:56.133 --> 0:11:57.813 still the only New Zealand team to ever win a 0:11:57.853 --> 0:12:01.173 World Cup and the only team in the women's game 0:12:01.253 --> 0:12:03.573 outside of Australia or England to win a World Cup. 0:12:03.653 --> 0:12:07.933 So there was there was a momentous moment when the 0:12:08.453 --> 0:12:15.173 curred and unfortunately the you know, the ball wasn't picked 0:12:15.253 --> 0:12:19.293 up and run with from there, and the game, unfortunately 0:12:20.093 --> 0:12:23.893 here in New Zealand has been I believe, largely ignored 0:12:24.333 --> 0:12:27.253 since then, and we're seeing the fruits of that now, 0:12:27.573 --> 0:12:31.573 which is you know, really sad. And the numbers in 0:12:31.613 --> 0:12:36.973 the women's game just have not progressed, have not increased 0:12:37.493 --> 0:12:42.333 during the professional era, and so yeah, I really believe 0:12:42.373 --> 0:12:46.613 there needs to be significant you know, resourcing and money 0:12:46.653 --> 0:12:49.333 put into the grassroots of the game to try and 0:12:49.373 --> 0:12:51.653 build it up from build it from the bottom. 0:12:51.973 --> 0:12:54.613 Yes, I guess that's easier said than done because there's 0:12:54.613 --> 0:12:57.733 only a limited supply of money. But they've got to 0:12:57.733 --> 0:13:00.893 do more than pay lip service to the development of 0:13:01.253 --> 0:13:04.253 the game. The worry of courses that New Zealand has 0:13:04.293 --> 0:13:09.573 relied on Bait Divine previously Sat and to a lesser 0:13:09.653 --> 0:13:14.093 extent now Kerr, who's younger. But those other players are 0:13:14.253 --> 0:13:18.613 coming to the end of their international careers, one would imagine. 0:13:18.693 --> 0:13:21.213 I mean, it doesn't make them old to be mid thirties, 0:13:21.733 --> 0:13:24.813 but you know time is running out, isn't it for 0:13:25.133 --> 0:13:27.413 some of those players, And we need to develop younger 0:13:27.453 --> 0:13:29.373 players to take over the mantle. 0:13:29.893 --> 0:13:33.253 Yeah, we do, and that's been the unfortunate thing is 0:13:33.293 --> 0:13:36.053 we just have not had that development underneath the White 0:13:36.093 --> 0:13:40.533 Funds happening. And I know that New Zealand Cricket have 0:13:41.773 --> 0:13:44.853 and some of the mas have made some progress in 0:13:44.893 --> 0:13:47.653 that area in the last you know, two or three years, 0:13:47.693 --> 0:13:52.653 but that's going to take time to sort of embed itself, 0:13:52.653 --> 0:13:56.093 if you like, and for those players who come through 0:13:56.173 --> 0:14:00.653 those programs to make their way through to the higher levels. 0:14:00.973 --> 0:14:03.653 You know, we do have some young players and the 0:14:03.693 --> 0:14:08.613 White fans at the moment who potentially could be good players, 0:14:09.373 --> 0:14:15.053 but unfortunately they have not had that strong cricket underneath 0:14:15.093 --> 0:14:19.533 the White Fans that's required to play at international level now. 0:14:19.733 --> 0:14:22.853 And I don't think that it's unusual for the White 0:14:22.853 --> 0:14:27.613 Funds to be reliant on two or three of their batters, 0:14:27.693 --> 0:14:30.933 because that's always been the case, even back in you know, 0:14:31.133 --> 0:14:34.053 the nineties, we were we were reliant to a great 0:14:34.093 --> 0:14:38.813 extent on DeBie Hockley, and we did during that period 0:14:38.853 --> 0:14:41.533 over that time and start to build, like I say, 0:14:41.573 --> 0:14:44.093 start to build some depth through some other batters as well. 0:14:44.773 --> 0:14:48.293 You know, that was part of the reason why that 0:14:48.293 --> 0:14:52.573 that decade became. You know, the White fans were more 0:14:52.613 --> 0:14:53.933 successful through that period. 0:14:54.973 --> 0:14:56.773 If we go back a couple of years and the 0:14:56.813 --> 0:14:59.853 New Zealand Cricket decided to cut Amy Sattathwaite and others 0:14:59.893 --> 0:15:02.453 loose in terms of their contract lad to who at 0:15:02.493 --> 0:15:05.333 the time, although she's been back playing again, was that 0:15:05.413 --> 0:15:07.813 a bit premature? Did we not have a plan to 0:15:08.413 --> 0:15:10.693 have players that's Awdrey will to go to youth and 0:15:10.733 --> 0:15:13.693 there is some developing talent there, but it would have 0:15:13.693 --> 0:15:16.333 been nice to have some of those players still associated 0:15:16.333 --> 0:15:17.733 with the side. Do you agree with that? 0:15:19.693 --> 0:15:23.533 Well, I mean we're only really talking about Amy, I think, 0:15:23.613 --> 0:15:30.293 and possibly you know, Frankie herself. So you know, most 0:15:30.293 --> 0:15:36.333 of those senior players remained in Baits and Divine and Kerr. 0:15:36.333 --> 0:15:38.693 I suppose you'd have to class who now as a 0:15:38.733 --> 0:15:42.093 senior player. Even though she's only twenty three, she's played 0:15:42.093 --> 0:15:44.493 a lot of cricket and she's been in the White 0:15:44.533 --> 0:15:48.453 Ferns environment for getting on for seven or eight years now. 0:15:48.533 --> 0:15:53.213 So yeah, I guess the other thing that is a 0:15:53.253 --> 0:15:56.933 worry is that some of our players who have been 0:15:56.973 --> 0:16:03.093 there for a while for quite some time, like Maddie 0:16:03.133 --> 0:16:07.733 Green and Brock Calla Day and Hannah Row perhaps haven't 0:16:07.733 --> 0:16:11.733 performed as well as what we would like them to, 0:16:12.533 --> 0:16:15.413 and that they're kind of the players that sort of 0:16:15.493 --> 0:16:19.613 are the bridge between those older players and they're really 0:16:19.733 --> 0:16:23.493 genuine young ones that have come in. So it's really 0:16:23.653 --> 0:16:26.813 it is frustrating to watch the White fans at the moment. 0:16:27.053 --> 0:16:30.493 But I don't believe we can place too much on 0:16:30.573 --> 0:16:32.573 the heads of those young players that have come in 0:16:33.053 --> 0:16:36.533 the likes of Plumber and Gays and Carson and so forth, 0:16:36.733 --> 0:16:39.013 because that would be really unfair on them. You know. 0:16:39.533 --> 0:16:43.013 I do think that it's unfortunate that our senior players 0:16:43.133 --> 0:16:49.493 aren't stepping up more and performing more consistently so that 0:16:49.573 --> 0:16:51.973 they're you know, leading the leading from the front and 0:16:51.973 --> 0:16:54.533 showing those young players how to do it. 0:16:54.573 --> 0:16:58.773 Really, I receive email from a lot of cricket fans 0:16:59.013 --> 0:17:02.693 and a lot of passionate women cricket fans saying there 0:17:02.733 --> 0:17:06.333 needs to be a change also in leadership at the top, 0:17:06.373 --> 0:17:10.013 whether it be coaching or administration. Do you feel as 0:17:10.053 --> 0:17:12.413 though there's a need to do that or does what 0:17:12.453 --> 0:17:16.053 would what would you see as an area that needs 0:17:16.333 --> 0:17:20.333 the immediate change from the administration. 0:17:21.093 --> 0:17:23.533 Yeah, well, I think that there isn't there. There is 0:17:23.613 --> 0:17:26.973 quite a number of us former players and I expect 0:17:27.013 --> 0:17:30.933 to you know, a number of them regularly who are 0:17:31.093 --> 0:17:34.893 very frustrated with the current situation and have been for 0:17:34.973 --> 0:17:38.333 quite some time. And I think I think it's really 0:17:38.453 --> 0:17:41.973 unfortunate that since the amalgamation took place in the nineties 0:17:42.053 --> 0:17:48.013 between using on cricket and the women's administration, that many 0:17:48.093 --> 0:17:52.133 women who have you know, wanted to put something back 0:17:52.173 --> 0:17:56.053 into the game and assist where they can have have 0:17:56.173 --> 0:17:58.813 really not had that opportunity. I think there is a 0:17:58.813 --> 0:18:03.333 lot of frustration. I think there there are definitely there 0:18:03.373 --> 0:18:06.533 needs to be a change of some kind because what 0:18:06.573 --> 0:18:10.253 we've been doing is not working and so and I 0:18:10.453 --> 0:18:13.093 think we do need to look to our women more 0:18:14.093 --> 0:18:18.493 for you know, to provide that drive for the women's 0:18:18.533 --> 0:18:21.773 game because they're the ones to me that are really 0:18:21.813 --> 0:18:26.333 passionate about the game for women and girls. And I'm 0:18:26.373 --> 0:18:30.933 not saying that, you know, men aren't passionate too, but 0:18:30.973 --> 0:18:32.493 I do think that there's a lot of women out 0:18:32.493 --> 0:18:36.373 there who would be prepared to work for the game 0:18:36.773 --> 0:18:38.333 if they were given that opportunity. 0:18:39.613 --> 0:18:43.213 You work around the game in the Canterbury region, do 0:18:43.253 --> 0:18:47.293 you see that there is an interest from young girls 0:18:47.333 --> 0:18:50.693 and young women to play the game? There seems to 0:18:50.693 --> 0:18:53.253 be numbers. I look at the results of the age 0:18:53.253 --> 0:18:57.213 group tournaments and I see some outstanding performances in Wellington. 0:18:57.293 --> 0:19:00.373 I see some of the young women and their winning 0:19:00.453 --> 0:19:04.693 cups and performing well at the seventeen, eighteen to twenty 0:19:05.013 --> 0:19:09.293 age group. Are you seeing that our players being developed 0:19:09.893 --> 0:19:11.973 properly through the age group? 0:19:12.933 --> 0:19:16.613 Well, I'm certainly seeing it because yeah, I'm quite involved 0:19:16.653 --> 0:19:21.053 with that age group through the Willows Cree Club here 0:19:21.213 --> 0:19:24.853 in Kensbury, and we certainly are working hard to provide 0:19:24.893 --> 0:19:31.533 opportunities for that youth age group. Yeah, I mean, I 0:19:31.933 --> 0:19:36.093 think there's definitely talent out there and it just needs 0:19:36.253 --> 0:19:41.733 to be identified, and it needs good coaching and it 0:19:41.813 --> 0:19:47.253 needs hard cricket, and so there's definitely young women who 0:19:47.853 --> 0:19:51.733 are keen to play the game, And I mean, why 0:19:51.733 --> 0:19:55.853 wouldn't you. There's there's a definite career opportunity now, and 0:19:56.333 --> 0:19:59.293 you know, these young women can be paid very well 0:19:59.293 --> 0:20:02.133 if they make it to the elite level. So yeah, 0:20:02.173 --> 0:20:06.093 there's definitely there's definitely women out there, were young girls 0:20:06.093 --> 0:20:07.933 out there who are really keen to play the game, 0:20:08.013 --> 0:20:11.533 and they just are looking for those opportunities. It's just 0:20:11.573 --> 0:20:14.613 about providing the right structures and the right systems and 0:20:14.653 --> 0:20:16.493 the pathways for them to come through. 0:20:16.733 --> 0:20:20.853 And top level coaching. I sense that the White Fern's 0:20:20.933 --> 0:20:23.533 coach is only a part time coach when it comes 0:20:23.533 --> 0:20:26.253 to being in New Zealand. He has other business and 0:20:26.253 --> 0:20:28.253 that's fine. I guess he has to make a living 0:20:28.293 --> 0:20:31.293 as well. But do we need somebody to lead the 0:20:31.333 --> 0:20:34.413 coaching and development of young players in New Zealand? Is 0:20:34.453 --> 0:20:35.333 there somebody doing that? 0:20:36.373 --> 0:20:38.773 Well, there's a good question, and I don't actually know 0:20:38.853 --> 0:20:42.093 the answer to that, you know, I do know. I mean, 0:20:42.093 --> 0:20:45.093 obviously we've got an Australian coach at the moment, and 0:20:45.133 --> 0:20:48.453 so he doesn't live here full time. Whether that is 0:20:49.053 --> 0:20:50.853 something that needs to be locked at, I don't know, 0:20:50.973 --> 0:20:55.413 but certainly you know, there certainly needs to be an 0:20:55.453 --> 0:20:59.333 awful lot more done for the development of the game 0:21:00.053 --> 0:21:04.933 so that we can start to bring young women through 0:21:04.693 --> 0:21:09.493 through our ranks, through domestic cricket, through through underage level, 0:21:09.573 --> 0:21:14.493 through New Zealand a systems that where they're getting plenty 0:21:14.493 --> 0:21:19.213 of strong competitive cricket, so that when they reached that 0:21:19.293 --> 0:21:23.453 white fans level, they are ready for that sort of competition. 0:21:24.013 --> 0:21:26.173 Well, we know they were playing a tough side England 0:21:26.213 --> 0:21:28.053 and they are a very good side. But you know, 0:21:28.093 --> 0:21:30.413 a couple of years ago we beat them for a 0:21:30.453 --> 0:21:33.853 Commonwealth Games bronze medal and there are nine players from 0:21:33.933 --> 0:21:37.373 the New Zealand side in the team that got beaten recently, 0:21:37.413 --> 0:21:39.653 and there were nine from the English side. Yet they 0:21:39.693 --> 0:21:43.773 looked as though they were playing a positive brand of 0:21:43.813 --> 0:21:47.173 cricket and looked as though they were enjoying themselves. I 0:21:47.253 --> 0:21:49.813 read the body language of the New Zealanders. They are 0:21:49.853 --> 0:21:54.693 almost totally opposite in terms of the confident group that 0:21:54.853 --> 0:21:57.453 won that bronze medal. They need to have a change 0:21:57.493 --> 0:21:59.933 and they've got a competition coming up in Bangladesh in 0:21:59.973 --> 0:22:02.733 a couple of months, haven't they for the women's T twenty. 0:22:03.133 --> 0:22:07.573 Yeah, and when you look at actually the record of 0:22:07.653 --> 0:22:11.053 the team, it's that Commonwealth Games. The record in TA 0:22:11.093 --> 0:22:13.813 twenties and one days is not great. So but then 0:22:13.853 --> 0:22:16.373 you look at England, who we beat for that bronze medal. 0:22:17.053 --> 0:22:21.293 What they've done with since then, has they've really developed 0:22:21.493 --> 0:22:23.813 their England team? And I know that they're giving plenty 0:22:23.813 --> 0:22:27.413 of opportunities for the players below just below that as well, 0:22:27.453 --> 0:22:30.173 so that they're creating real depth and competition for places, 0:22:31.213 --> 0:22:33.133 and that's we need to be able to. We need 0:22:33.173 --> 0:22:34.693 to do that more as well. 0:22:35.853 --> 0:22:38.533 Yeah, interesting stuff from Kirsty Bond, and I think she's 0:22:38.573 --> 0:22:42.813 saying what a lot of New Zealand women cricketers are 0:22:42.853 --> 0:22:45.493 saying about the side at the moment. They're just not 0:22:45.653 --> 0:22:49.373 fronting up when they should be and the better players, 0:22:49.533 --> 0:22:53.653 the experienced players, are not being able to deliver. I 0:22:53.653 --> 0:22:56.293 think Kirsty's right when she says Jerry that you know 0:22:58.173 --> 0:23:01.293 it's been a common feature that the experienced players have 0:23:01.413 --> 0:23:03.853 held the batting together even in her time. You know 0:23:03.933 --> 0:23:09.893 where Debbie Hockley and other players were fronting up. Now 0:23:10.133 --> 0:23:15.813 it's it's a tough time and a quick repair job 0:23:16.533 --> 0:23:21.093 is something that's not going to be easy to defined 0:23:21.413 --> 0:23:24.013 and all the money in the world won't prove it either, 0:23:24.013 --> 0:23:24.373 will it. 0:23:24.853 --> 0:23:27.733 I found it a hard listen actually once, to be honest, 0:23:27.893 --> 0:23:31.333 I know Kirsty, I met her oh years ago and 0:23:31.493 --> 0:23:35.093 spent two to three days in christ Church. 0:23:35.813 --> 0:23:38.053 How they're making a coaching video. 0:23:38.333 --> 0:23:42.893 And she and Chris Harris very kindly put up with me. 0:23:45.973 --> 0:23:49.533 I felt it was it was, yeah, it was. I 0:23:49.613 --> 0:23:53.373 felt a bit heavy hearted there listening to her because 0:23:53.373 --> 0:23:57.373 she told a narrative to me. I've lost lost impetus 0:23:58.173 --> 0:24:01.253 and momentum from where New Zealand were and in the 0:24:01.413 --> 0:24:05.613 in the nineties and of course reaching the pinnacle in 0:24:05.733 --> 0:24:08.853 two thousand winning the World Cup. They they were quite 0:24:08.853 --> 0:24:12.773 a formidable force actually that New Zealand women's side in 0:24:12.853 --> 0:24:15.653 the early two thousands. They got to a semi final 0:24:15.693 --> 0:24:18.213 in two thousand and five in the World Cup. They 0:24:18.253 --> 0:24:21.133