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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at B.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, you were Jactame on News Talks eDV and

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Speaker 2: we are exactly one week away from the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four Olympic Games in Paris. Kiwi athletes have been training, competing,

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Speaker 2: pushing hard to qualify for Team New Zealand, and one

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety five athletes are currently making their way

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Speaker 2: to France. As someone who knows the feeling all too well,

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Speaker 2: having competed at a whopping five Olympic Games and one

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Speaker 2: a staggering two golds, a silver and a bronze medal

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Speaker 2: in the shop put as Dame Valerie Adams this year

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Speaker 2: though she's not competing, although she's preparing to head to

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Speaker 2: Paris in her new advocacy role. Dame val is with

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Speaker 2: us in studio Keilder.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Calder. How's it going?

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Speaker 2: Very good things. It's good to see you, Thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you. What is it like preparing for your first

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Speaker 2: Olympic Games in more than twenty years in which you

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Speaker 2: don't actually have compete.

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit different. I think the stress levels

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Speaker 3: are a bit different, and it's different stresses now you know,

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Speaker 3: before it was a performance high training pretty much at

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Speaker 3: the cliff edge, you know, kind of aiming for that

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Speaker 3: one centimeter at a time type of thing, where now

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Speaker 3: it's a different type of stress, you know, preparing presentations

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Speaker 3: for council meetings and you know, traveling and all the

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Speaker 3: rest of it. So it's it's good in one sense,

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Speaker 3: and then the other sense it's it's a stressful as

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Speaker 3: well because it is a different role. Yeah, but at

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Speaker 3: the same time looking forward to go and enjoy the

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Speaker 3: games from a spectator's point of view as opposed to competing, that.

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Speaker 2: Must be so nice. Yeah, yeah, actually, because I think

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was real where it was,

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Speaker 2: but I think I spoke to it at games once

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Speaker 2: and and see, like do you actually watch the game

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Speaker 2: certainly before your event?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, never Yeah, And so like for you it's going

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Speaker 2: to become a novel experience actually just watching the Olympics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, like watching the whole day if I wanted to,

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Speaker 3: and sitting there and getting higher and all the rest

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Speaker 3: of it whilst enjoying the games. But you don't watch it.

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Speaker 3: You'll focus on your event, and that is that you

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Speaker 3: don't know what anybody else is doing, because that's just

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Speaker 3: the whole that's just the way it is. Where now

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Speaker 3: it's like you can actually pick who you want to

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Speaker 3: watch and who you want to follow and get up

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Speaker 3: at three o'clock in the morning before you actually shoot out,

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Speaker 3: but go into Paris all the rest of it. But

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Speaker 3: it's going to be great. I think, you know, this

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Speaker 3: is going to be a games to remember after what

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Speaker 3: pretty much uplift everybody. I hope, So, I mean, I hope,

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Speaker 3: But that's the aim, right is it.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I love about the Olympics is

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Speaker 2: I get really intensely into sports that I don't necessarily

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden I've become like an

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Speaker 2: expert on diving or whatever. Else. Are these sports that

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Speaker 2: you are really excited about seeing that?

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Speaker 3: Isn't that a typical journalist particular sports that I'm looking

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Speaker 3: forward to. I'm I really enjoy basketball joing the Olympic

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Speaker 3: Games because it's quite you know, it's quite intense, but

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Speaker 3: I do like things like gymnastics, you know, because it's

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Speaker 3: so such a novelty. We don't even really have it

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Speaker 3: But all in all, I think it's going to be

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Speaker 3: you've got Tahiti putting up surfing, so it's very unique

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Speaker 3: and it's very French.

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Speaker 2: How do you think about breakdancing?

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Speaker 3: Listen? Breakdancing. They take some skill and take some work

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Speaker 3: and it is quite competitive. I mean, but you know

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Speaker 2: You talk to us about that. How is athletics kind

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Speaker 2: of moving with the times a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, you know, we introduced things like the

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Speaker 3: how do you grow this sport globally and how do

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Speaker 3: you get more participants. Also, research shows that for example throws,

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Speaker 3: for example, there is a massive drop in viewership. So

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Speaker 3: male male throwers. How do we change that? You know,

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Speaker 3: horizontal jumps, you know, there's so many fowls when they

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Speaker 3: do jumps. Okay, how do we avoid this? Because you know,

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: So we have to be a bit more open minded,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very interesting. I hadn't perhaps appreciated that that

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Speaker 3: Because because at the end of the day, broadcasters and

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Speaker 3: The mix relay for example, you know, people were a

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Speaker 2: And it's going to the balance, like you don't want

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Speaker 2: It's still you know, you're still going to got to

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Speaker 2: be true to the sport. Yeah, yeah, at its core.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you know that that shows Sprint on

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Speaker 3: No, the sprinters are like Hollywood stars. They are very dramatic.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're over dramatized things. You know, they're very

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Speaker 3: and I think it brings a massive insight as to

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Speaker 3: what goes on in that sprinting world. But that's the entertainment. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: one hundred sprints. So at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: it's ten seconds. You've got to get the start right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you can't false start. Just as as as a layman,

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Speaker 2: I look at that and I'm like, really, we're going

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Speaker 2: that's so much pressure.

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Speaker 3: It's so much pressure. But once upon a time you

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Speaker 3: much because broadcasters were getting annoyed, right, So it says

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Speaker 3: one false start, one hit, you're out. Yeah, And they

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Speaker 3: false starts. When it happens. It's quite dramatic. That's what

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Speaker 3: Is actually that that drama? Oh this person's false start

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Speaker 2: I looking at the key athletics team apart from your

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Speaker 2: Certainly. Like put it this way, there's heaps of potentially.

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Speaker 3: actually massive potential. Quite a young team, you know, coming

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Speaker 3: Who knows it is the Olympic Games. It is a

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because you know, tall poppy syndrome, it is

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Speaker 3: done that multiple times five Olympic Games. I know what

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Speaker 3: I also know what it's like to underperform and actually

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Speaker 2: And then when a gold.

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Speaker 3: Medal seven days later and then I was a national hero,

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Speaker 2: That's that's really interesting that if did that affect you

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Speaker 3: Course, because twenty twelve, like you know, I got silver

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Speaker 3: but I think you know nowadays, you know, the accessibility

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Speaker 3: it's out there, right, So yeah, it did impact you

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Speaker 2: Are they are there things like that you will be

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Speaker 2: Great, yeah, here we go. Prize money as well. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna like, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: I just think it makes it seems only fair to me, Yes,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, So I think like for me and for our sport,

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Speaker 2: So do I ask it, what moment of these games

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And for you know, for me, it's about

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Speaker 2: Because here's my tip, I reckon you want to you

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Speaker 2: Perfect. Hey, it is so good to see you enjoy

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Speaker 3: We will thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: That is Dame Valerie Adams. How good? Yes, less than

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Speaker 2: seven days now until the opening ceremony at Paris twenty

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