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Speaker 1: All right. Now you may or may not know this,

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Speaker 1: but the latest nuclear arms controlled treaty between the United

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Speaker 1: States and Russia has now officially expired. This is start

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Speaker 1: or this strategic arms reduction treaty signed back in twenty

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Speaker 1: ten to help prevent catastrophic nuclear war. Cap the warheads

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Speaker 1: at one thousand, five hundred and fifty eight. Still a

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Speaker 1: lot of warheads, world leaders and now awarding a new

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Speaker 1: global arms race could be on the horizon. Our Gillespie

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Speaker 1: is the international law professor. He's with us this morning.

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Speaker 1: Gobard into your ol.

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Speaker 2: Gooday, good morning.

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Speaker 1: How serious is this expiration?

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Speaker 2: It's not good news. This was the last major roadblockage

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Speaker 2: before arms race will completely break out. But I mean

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Speaker 2: the deal dealt with Russia and America, and they hold

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Speaker 2: ninety percent of the world's nuclear weapons. This now means

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Speaker 2: that there's no limit on what they can acquire.

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Speaker 1: Yes, does this mean that the United States and Russia

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Speaker 1: are now completely unconstrained under international law when it comes

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Speaker 1: to nuclear weapons and all this at a time of

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Speaker 1: heightened geopolitical tension.

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Speaker 2: That that is correct. Nothing on them now to say

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Speaker 2: that they can't build more or different types of nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 2: But in then mister Trump's defense, because mister Trump is

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Speaker 2: the one who let it void. He was saying, well,

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Speaker 2: it's not fair that only America has these restraints. In Russia,

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Speaker 2: he wanted other countries like China to also have restraints,

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Speaker 2: but China wasn't interested, And so he now wants to

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Speaker 2: deal for everyone or no one.

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Speaker 1: So is a new agreement which might actually include everyone

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Speaker 1: likely to be written.

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Speaker 2: Up well from the Chinese perspective, because so there's nine

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Speaker 2: different countries that hold nuclear weapons. China's number three. They've

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Speaker 2: got about six hundred. They say, if we are constrained

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Speaker 2: at six hundred, that's unfair if you're allowed fifteen hundred.

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Speaker 2: So the argument is either let them go up to

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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred or take them to all everyone down to

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Speaker 2: six hundred. And right now, no one's got any willingness

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Speaker 2: to go down to six hundred.

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Speaker 1: And could this set a precedent for other international treaties

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Speaker 1: if it's not one for all that they might pull

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Speaker 1: out of others.

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Speaker 2: Their garbage bin is full of treaties right now, and

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Speaker 2: it's been that way for the last eighteen months. This

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Speaker 2: is just the latest in a number of sequences. What

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Speaker 2: it means is that there's going to be a lot

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Speaker 2: more money spent on arms proliferation. There will be new

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Speaker 2: types and nuclear weapons, and this is all happening in

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Speaker 2: at a time of heightened tensions between countries. So it's

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Speaker 2: a poor decision.

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Speaker 1: All right, Al Gillespie, I thank you for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning, and you have to wonder to yourself, though,

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Speaker 1: how many weapons is enough? When you've got fifteen hundred anyway,

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Speaker 1: you can actually obliterate the planet. So surely that was

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Speaker 1: a high number anyway, But do you really need more?

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, not my I'm not in the

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