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Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to the matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Afternoons Full Show podcast for Thursday, the twenty

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Speaker 2: fourth of October. We have a fantastic show for you today,

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Speaker 2: including a deep dive into CCTV footage. Yeah, and the

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Speaker 2: rules around filming your neighbors.

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Speaker 3: You'll be pretty hot on the fact that if you've

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Speaker 3: got a CCTV camera at home, don't point it on

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Speaker 3: the street. Just don't do it.

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Speaker 4: No, Marty mcflying, and don't.

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Speaker 3: Point it in your neighbor's backyard.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then we talked about some GPS as well, and

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Speaker 2: Mary got her package delivered whilst we were.

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Speaker 4: Talking to her on it.

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Speaker 3: That was tense, wasn't it. That was a tense twenty

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Speaker 3: minutes when she's running after the caurier. I don't want

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Speaker 3: to say two more, but what she got she was

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Speaker 3: heavy with.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So enjoy the podcast and give them a taste

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Speaker 4: of Kiwi from me.

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Speaker 6: You're on New Home for insightful and ed Talk.

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Speaker 1: It's Mattie and Tyler Adams afternoons on News Talk zebby.

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Speaker 3: Very very good afternoon to you. Happy Thursday. Welcome into

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Speaker 3: the show, Matt in Tyler with you until four pm.

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Speaker 3: Matts how you're doing very.

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Speaker 2: Good so as we keep saying. It's our third week

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Speaker 2: on the Matt and Tyler Afternoons on ZB. I didn't

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Speaker 2: know there was a dress code. The bosses came in

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Speaker 2: before and they were like, lift your standards. You've turned

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Speaker 2: up in a full suit and tie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, if you read your contract properly, Matt, you

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Speaker 3: would have seen that there is a dress code here.

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Speaker 3: You know you're on the first level now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I got hassled about my rugby shirt and

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Speaker 4: my cap.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned earlier a couple of weeks ago you love

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Speaker 3: a black T shirt, and you do. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if it's the same black T shirt that you wear

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Speaker 3: day in and day out. Are they different T shirts other?

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Speaker 6: Ah?

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Speaker 4: Sometimes there are different ones. Sometimes it's the same one.

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Speaker 2: Like one day, one way the internet inside out and

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Speaker 2: we're the same teacher the next day.

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Speaker 4: So rotation of about three years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, efficient because saving water or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's nothing in my contract that I have

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Speaker 2: to look good, you know, this is radio.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and thank goodness for that as well. Right on

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Speaker 3: to the show today after three o'clock, we are going

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Speaker 3: to be talking about parking. There is a bit of

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Speaker 3: a kerfuffle in christ Church over car parks that are

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Speaker 3: way too small apparently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right there in christ Church. A move to

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Speaker 2: Church street has left them.

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Speaker 4: Too tight for larger cars to park in. The parks

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Speaker 4: are on as if.

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Speaker 2: Street only four point six meters. That's a depth not with.

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Speaker 3: You can get a Nakar in there, easy, easy.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's enough space for a Suzuki Swift.

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Speaker 3: I reckon clips in there.

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Speaker 4: One one on the Bachelor. You can park that in there.

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Speaker 4: How many Suzuki Swifts are on the road, They're.

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Speaker 2: Is this is this ute discrimination?

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Speaker 3: I think it is absolutely, it's a discrimination, just.

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Speaker 2: Van discrimination and discrimination? Is this people that actually make

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Speaker 3: Are the car parks getting too small? And I think

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Speaker 3: be talking about parking crimes. That's after three o'clock. After

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Speaker 3: two o'clock. The cost of going to see a GP,

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Speaker 3: why why is it so expensive? What is it like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, doctors are in business, aren't they. That's what

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Speaker 3: actually think they need to be subsidized more. I think

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Speaker 2: Why should I have to pay for hypochondriaxlte you tyler

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Speaker 2: that go on every time one of your toenails.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, good question.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of people, there's people that

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Speaker 3: But when was the last time you went.

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Speaker 4: I've been trying to go to the doctor.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I'm getting a lot of pressure at home

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Speaker 4: But that I don't want to talk too much about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so for most people, you know, particularly if you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and New Zealand police have been given the legal

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Speaker 2: Judges knocked back several legal challenges that argue that it

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Speaker 4: So how do you feel about CCDV. Do you mind

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Speaker 2: Do you like that cops could could grab private footage

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Speaker 3: I'd say two years ago, I felt it was unnecessary

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Speaker 4: Beijing might be getting close at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Beijing's getting up there. But they use that to

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Speaker 2: Thankfully, this is very clear CCTV footage exactly.

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Speaker 3: So that comes to the for today in particular, that

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Speaker 3: tap into. But I'd love to hear from you on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess the argument is, if you're doing

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Speaker 2: But then going to the future, who decides what's right

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Speaker 3: Yeah, have you got CCTV footage or cameras at your place?

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Speaker 4: And then I say, just hip it over the back fence.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, do you have a CCDV footage that's set

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Speaker 3: I don't, No, never have looked at it. And if

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Speaker 3: look at your footage, I think I'd absolutely say yeah,

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Speaker 3: Now we're going to take it because we need it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it depends what the remitter is.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, we're all committing the odd little blemish

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Speaker 2: doing everything one hundred percent right? But so, yeah, do

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Speaker 2: you have CCTV footage oe E one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: And do you feel comfortable that you're being filmed all

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Speaker 3: YEAP nine two ninety two is the text number. It

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Speaker 3: is fourteen past one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Mat Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four us talk said.

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Speaker 3: Be good afternoon. It's sixteen past one, and we are

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Speaker 3: talking about CCTV footage and cameras a lot of texts

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Speaker 3: coming through on people who have personal setups in their home.

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Speaker 3: And I would say, now, Matt, from my friend group,

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Speaker 3: more people, more of my friends would have their own

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Speaker 3: home set up than not. I don't have it.

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Speaker 2: I've got one. Yeah, I've got I've got a few

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Speaker 2: cameras going in my house.

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned it was there for the posty so

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Speaker 3: he doesn't break your year delicate package when he's delivering it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit like that as well. But also

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Speaker 2: you want to see who's that coming to your door,

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Speaker 2: you know. I remember there was I'd left my bin

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Speaker 4: He was angry that I'd left my bin out and

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Speaker 2: So who judges if that person is suspicious? So someone's

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Speaker 9: Hello, how are we going?

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Speaker 9: Okay, I'll give you an example of the last big

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Speaker 9: And we get the CCTV footage for this and I

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Speaker 9: So the last time around, it was a group of boys.

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Speaker 9: Retail and residential upstairs. So they went through the commercial,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's probably a little bit over the top unless

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Speaker 2: Really dodgy territory when you start just profiling someone as

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Speaker 9: But I mean, okay, from the point of view of privacy,

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Speaker 9: And you go into a public area on private property,

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Speaker 9: At that stage, you have to stop taking those photos

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Speaker 9: don't you. So when we've said about cameras here at

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Speaker 9: And the cameras we've set up have been set up

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Speaker 3: It does? Yeah, yeah, no, good point, Rob, and great

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well, do you have CCDV footage set up privately?

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Speaker 2: And how do you feel about Tyler's favorite thing, which

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Speaker 3: It's twenty six past one.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty eight past one.

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Speaker 2: You were talking about CCTV footage. I think there's a

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Speaker 2: But I don't feel comfortable if someone filming having their

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Speaker 2: worst situation is someone who's CCTV footage encroaches on your

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Speaker 3: So it starts getting murky, doesn't it. It's a bit

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Speaker 14: way that this particular man was trying to wake him

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Speaker 14: up so wake her up was not the way that

442
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Speaker 14: I would, so I had. I had the footage right

443
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Speaker 14: in front of me watching this. So I called the

444
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Speaker 14: local police station and I said to them, I am

445
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Speaker 14: watching this live. Go to this cafe. It's literally two

446
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Speaker 14: hundred meters from you. This is domestic violence, trust me.

447
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Speaker 14: And they go okay, and they went there, and then

448
00:21:08,653 --> 00:21:12,333
Speaker 14: they turned up to my shop two days later and

449
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Speaker 14: they go to we have this footage and I hadn't

450
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Speaker 14: recorded it, but they had been there and they'd got

451
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Speaker 14: the girl away from the man right. Well, it was

452
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Speaker 14: like it was like a live stream style service. So

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Speaker 14: it was enough for me to make her stafe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a compelling argument for having that CCTV footage

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Speaker 3: in retail businesses. And you know, think thank God for you, Chris,

456
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Speaker 3: that you were there and watching and you could alert

457
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Speaker 3: the police. When it comes to residential use of these

458
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Speaker 3: cameras on the streets, and I've seen it of not

459
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Speaker 3: not just making this up, but on community Facebook pages

460
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Speaker 3: where one of the members posts that footage and says

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Speaker 3: I've seen this person doing the furious things. It's not

462
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Speaker 3: a picture of them doing the furious things. It's just

463
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Speaker 3: a picture of them walking down the street. And making allegations.

464
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Speaker 3: Do you think that goes a little bit too far?

465
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Speaker 3: This should just be in the realm of the police.

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Speaker 14: That's like, that's that's a problem because if you're making

467
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Speaker 14: false accusations against people, you should be food. If you

468
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Speaker 14: see one guy walking down the street and then you

469
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Speaker 14: expect that that was the criminal, that's that's a that's

470
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Speaker 14: a gray area. I don't think people should be sharing

471
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Speaker 14: things on Facebook. I think they should be sharing them

472
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Speaker 14: with the police, letting the police take care of things

473
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Speaker 14: because you know, vigilante justice and social shame on people,

474
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Speaker 14: even if it wasn't the moment. We've got cases of

475
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Speaker 14: that all through New Zealand where someone's been accused of

476
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Speaker 14: something and so other people who think they're wrong exactly.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your opinion there, cres CCTV Fhetow.

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Speaker 2: I've got a question for you, Tyler and everyone on

479
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Speaker 2: nine two nine two. How many privately owned CCTV cameras

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Speaker 2: do you think are operating in New Zealand right now?

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Speaker 3: Six hundred thousand? Okay, that's my guess.

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Speaker 4: If you think un and wildly.

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Speaker 3: Nine two is a tex number, it is twenty seven

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Speaker 3: to two.

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Speaker 10: Jews talks a't be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

486
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Speaker 10: no trouble with a blue bubble. Auckland police are asking

487
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Speaker 10: people to keep an eye out for a man who's

488
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Speaker 10: the subject of a man hunt in Ornihunger and Mount

489
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Speaker 10: Wellington after a woman was fatally stabbed on a bus yesterday.

490
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Speaker 10: Thirty seven year old kle Leona was last seen wearing

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Speaker 10: a dark sweatshirt with white writing and dark trousers, a

492
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Speaker 10: pale green t shirt tied around his head and a

493
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Speaker 10: black backpack. He shouldn't be approached. Work Safe is proposing

494
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Speaker 10: cutting another one hundred and eighty jobs and creating one

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Speaker 10: hundred and forty. The agency acts one hundred and thirteen

496
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Speaker 10: rolds last November. The Chief Onwardsman has criticized Or Tambadiki's

497
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Speaker 10: investigation into multiple reports of the man's violence towards his

498
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Speaker 10: partner's four young children. OT acknowledge it is the final

499
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Speaker 10: opinion and says it's implemented nine of ten recommendations. Associate

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Speaker 10: Housing Minister Tamaportdaka says almost fifteen hundred children have been

501
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Speaker 10: moved from emergency housing to social housing since it came

502
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Speaker 10: to power from Mount Albert to Wimbledon, Chris Lewis's inspiring

503
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Speaker 10: tennis journey and Academy's success. See the story at ends

504
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Speaker 10: in here all premium back now to Matt Heath and

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Speaker 10: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raillan. It's twenty three to two

507
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Speaker 3: and we're talking about CCTV setups in the home. A

508
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Speaker 3: lot of people have them and where is the line?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So I asked the question how many privately owned CCTV

511
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Speaker 2: cameras you think are operating in New Zealand right now?

512
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Speaker 2: Were the latest statistics? You guessed six one hundred thousand.

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Speaker 2: You skiss six hundred thousand, and I've spoiler there. There

514
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Speaker 2: is an estimate of four hundred thousand privately owned CCTV

515
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Speaker 2: cameras operating in New Zealand as we speak, ten thousand

516
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Speaker 2: publicly owned security cameras in New Zealand right now.

517
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Speaker 3: That's a lot. And this is just off the back

518
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Speaker 3: of a story. Today police have been given the legal

519
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Speaker 3: clearance to continue tapping into private cameras more than two

520
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Speaker 3: hundred thousand times a year. That is an egg of

521
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Speaker 3: a lot.

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Speaker 4: There are a billion CCDV cameras operating on.

523
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Speaker 2: The streets of the world. These are publicly run ones.

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Speaker 2: So when does privately owned CCD footage go too far?

525
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Speaker 2: You know, when it's a fishing exercise, when it's filming

526
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Speaker 2: out onto the street. Yeah, you know, there's no as

527
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Speaker 2: a Texas said, there's no privacy in public. But what

528
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Speaker 2: about someone just setting up When does that become voyeuristic

529
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Speaker 2: when you're filming people walking past your house, especially, as

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Speaker 2: you've pointed out before, Tyler, when they post those pictures

531
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Speaker 2: up on Facebook groups and say this, this dude looks dodgy.

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Speaker 3: If it's ever saved you, well, maybe not saved you,

533
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Speaker 3: but if you have utilized your own CCTV set up

534
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Speaker 3: at home, and particularly those in rural places, I get it,

535
00:26:04,653 --> 00:26:07,093
Speaker 3: that's a big security measure there. But if there's been

536
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Speaker 3: a situation that you've met, is to head off because

537
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Speaker 3: you've witnessed it on CCTV, your own CCTV love to

538
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Speaker 3: hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. Getto Mark.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Hi, I've got a couple of interesting CCTV stories.

541
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Speaker 15: I I originally had security in my home in Wellington, YEP,

542
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Speaker 15: with cameras predominant outside, but a couple in the hallways.

543
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Speaker 15: I sold the house and I gave the APP to

544
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Speaker 15: the new owner and ironically she she got broken into

545
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Speaker 15: by my ex neighbor who stripped off his clothes and

546
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Speaker 15: did the wild thing in the lounge.

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Speaker 3: Whoa by himself cheap.

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Speaker 2: That's not the what that that's the sort of part

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Speaker 2: of partially wild thing that. Yeah, and so and so

550
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Speaker 2: you she was using the app or what you were

551
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Speaker 2: still on the app?

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Speaker 15: No, I was on her app because it came up

553
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Speaker 15: on us on the phone and he broke it into

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Speaker 15: the house with a headlight with other thise little head

555
00:27:06,973 --> 00:27:10,613
Speaker 15: lamps on. Yeah, took his clifd a did a crazy act.

556
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Speaker 15: We went home and then forgot about his head Lampton

557
00:27:14,213 --> 00:27:15,853
Speaker 15: came back again and then did it a second time.

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Speaker 3: Wow, So what happened with that? I take it you

559
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Speaker 3: got the police involved at their point.

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Speaker 15: Oh yeah, he got name suppression because he's the hope

561
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Speaker 15: high profile of persons. But when I came to Auckland

562
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Speaker 15: and I helped my mate set up at CCTV in

563
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Speaker 15: the in the motel during Covide, we got everything from

564
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Speaker 15: drug dealing to cars being stolen. You know, even I

565
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Speaker 15: even got one of a guy breaking into my car.

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Speaker 15: He drove into the car park was so relaxed as

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Speaker 15: his heads hanging out the window. So we've got a

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Speaker 15: full screenshot of his face.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 15: Now, the police were really good on those cases because

571
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Speaker 15: each time they asked, they asked for the film footage

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Speaker 15: sort of within a couple of days. But the more

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Speaker 15: interesting case was when a group of kids came in

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Speaker 15: and were drug dealing and I and two and a

575
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Speaker 15: half years later, I still can't get the police to

576
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Speaker 15: come and pick up the video footage right and you

577
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Speaker 15: know why why because my daughter had revited them. They

578
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Speaker 15: were they were kids in the cure of a ring

579
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Speaker 15: of tamaiki and the police are just refusing to come

580
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Speaker 15: and come and use the pottage. So just all not

581
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Speaker 15: come around.

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Speaker 4: Just go back to your first story.

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Speaker 2: So the person that had moved into the house, they

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Speaker 2: asked you to go on into the app after the

585
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Speaker 2: break in, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Assuming sorry sorry the first Just go back to.

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Speaker 2: The first situation where that person did the world the house,

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Speaker 2: so you still had the app, they had the access,

589
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Speaker 2: You still had access to the app. So did the

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Speaker 2: the new people living the house. Did they come to

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Speaker 2: you and say we've been broken.

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Speaker 15: No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 16: I.

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Speaker 8: I took the off my phone and she.

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Speaker 15: Head on hers and she's out having dinner and it

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Speaker 15: comes up, comes up on her phone.

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Speaker 4: And on her phone, not on your phone. Okay, that's

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Speaker 4: a good thing. Was checking out you were still running.

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Speaker 15: Me and go Do I recognize the.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's good. I didn't quite get that story right.

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Speaker 2: I thought that you were still running CCT in someone

602
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Speaker 2: else's house.

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Speaker 4: No, that's that's a much bit of story. Mark. I

604
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Speaker 4: appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, mate, man, what a story. Oh

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Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 4: I was a bit worried there was a crime, big

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Speaker 4: bit of the boy Mark, But no, he was above board.

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Speaker 3: He was above board. Nine two is the text number.

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Speaker 3: A quick couple of texts, then we'll get back to

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Speaker 3: the phones. Hi, guys. Home situation. Three cameras out the front,

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Speaker 3: plus security lights. No trouble since install previously, three car

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Speaker 3: breakings with staff taken. We are in a colder sack too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and do you put the cameras up so people

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Speaker 2: can see them? Or I mean, well you've got to

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Speaker 2: do You've got to invest in the sign saying that

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Speaker 2: you're being filmed. The CCTV cameras in operation, whether you've

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Speaker 2: got them or not. It's a idea to put those

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Speaker 2: cameras up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: is the number to call. It is eighteen to two.

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Speaker 1: Your new home of afternoon tour Taylor Adams Afternoon call

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Speaker 1: eight hundred.

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Speaker 6: Eighty ten eighty or.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Jonathan. How are you?

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Speaker 12: I'm doing all right?

627
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Speaker 17: How are you going?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Very good. Now you're a good man to chat to

630
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Speaker 3: because you run a Facebook page right at the Hut

631
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Speaker 3: Valley Community Noticeboard.

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Speaker 12: Hot Vally Security Noticeboard yep.

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Speaker 2: Security right, and you're a sendin amount of CCTV footage

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Speaker 2: privately shot is being posted on this Facebook?

635
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Speaker 4: Am I right to say that?

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Speaker 12: I mean it's there's there's a lot of privately commercial

637
00:30:43,373 --> 00:30:46,613
Speaker 12: shared camera footage that's being shared around yep.

638
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Speaker 4: Do you have rules for what can be shared and

639
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Speaker 4: what cannot be shared?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 12: Absolutely. Every post that we have has to be approved

642
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Speaker 12: by an admin. We don't have any automatic process for

643
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Speaker 12: approving anything, so we're pretty particular about what will approve.

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Speaker 12: One of the main things is that we try and

645
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Speaker 12: ensure that every post that comes up is company with

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Speaker 12: a police file, so that we know that it has

647
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Speaker 12: actually been registered.

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Speaker 4: With the police.

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Speaker 12: Oh okay, Yeah, there are occasions when that doesn't happen,

650
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Speaker 12: but it's more emergency requests like somebody has just had

651
00:31:23,213 --> 00:31:26,733
Speaker 12: their cartlen or someone's just had something happen on the

652
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Speaker 12: spot and needs assistance straight away. So in those cases

653
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Speaker 12: we usually reach out and try and get as much

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Speaker 12: help as we can, which is prior to when anything

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Speaker 12: would actually go through the police.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, without giving too much away, Jonathan, but I'm

657
00:31:42,733 --> 00:31:46,093
Speaker 3: looking at the page now, and there was a post.

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Speaker 3: It was that about ten days ago. So it was

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Speaker 3: someone who posted up a suspicious vehicle and they told

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Speaker 3: the community look be on the watch out for this vehicle,

661
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Speaker 3: gave all the information about their vehicle, and stated that

662
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Speaker 3: they were doing some early Christmas shopping aka looking to

663
00:32:04,053 --> 00:32:06,653
Speaker 3: break into people's property. At that point, you might know

664
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Speaker 3: what their post is. And again we've got to be careful,

665
00:32:08,373 --> 00:32:10,613
Speaker 3: we don't want to name in shame, but at that point,

666
00:32:10,653 --> 00:32:13,693
Speaker 3: you're pretty confident that the police had been notified before

667
00:32:13,733 --> 00:32:14,933
Speaker 3: that went up on the page.

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Speaker 12: Yes, and we do also have a number of police

669
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Speaker 12: officers that watch the page as well, so basically if

670
00:32:22,213 --> 00:32:24,613
Speaker 12: we ever do kind of step over the line a

671
00:32:24,653 --> 00:32:26,613
Speaker 12: little bit in those aspects, we usually get a good

672
00:32:26,613 --> 00:32:30,733
Speaker 12: slap on the wrist and be told to take things down.

673
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Speaker 12: So there are occasions when that does happen, but in

674
00:32:34,973 --> 00:32:38,813
Speaker 12: this particular case, we're fairly confident that that that vehicle

675
00:32:38,893 --> 00:32:49,173
Speaker 12: and people involved were there scoping, and so there has

676
00:32:49,253 --> 00:32:52,173
Speaker 12: been other cases where it's just been very suspicious this

677
00:32:52,213 --> 00:32:54,053
Speaker 12: is what they're doing, and people are just trying to

678
00:32:54,293 --> 00:32:57,613
Speaker 12: make others around the community aware that there's a concern

679
00:32:57,693 --> 00:32:59,213
Speaker 12: there and to be.

680
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Speaker 4: Aware of it.

681
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Speaker 2: So these these as a CCTV footage from private residences

682
00:33:05,773 --> 00:33:08,013
Speaker 2: that are filming out onto the street.

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Speaker 12: So yes, in most cases, as private residences, they have

684
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Speaker 12: coverage of the streets around them as well. Usually they've

685
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Speaker 12: been targeted previously or there's been other things happen in

686
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Speaker 12: the area that makes them keep a bit more of

687
00:33:23,173 --> 00:33:27,013
Speaker 12: an eye on what's happening outside of the house. But

688
00:33:27,373 --> 00:33:31,253
Speaker 12: for the most part, it's it's essentially just to give

689
00:33:31,293 --> 00:33:33,613
Speaker 12: the community an opportunity to be aware of what's going

690
00:33:33,653 --> 00:33:36,373
Speaker 12: on around them so that they can, you know, if

691
00:33:36,413 --> 00:33:42,693
Speaker 12: they see something untoward happening, you know, mention it happens.

692
00:33:42,973 --> 00:33:46,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of people are involved in not

693
00:33:46,613 --> 00:33:50,173
Speaker 3: specifically your particular Facebook page, but a lot of community

694
00:33:50,213 --> 00:33:53,093
Speaker 3: pages around the country where this exact same thing happens,

695
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Speaker 3: And I can see the benefit in that. Clearly. It's

696
00:33:56,093 --> 00:33:58,653
Speaker 3: a it's a bit of a murky area legally, is it.

697
00:33:58,653 --> 00:34:01,013
Speaker 3: There's a lot of gray area in terms of what

698
00:34:01,053 --> 00:34:04,133
Speaker 3: you're allowed to post publicly if you see something on

699
00:34:04,253 --> 00:34:05,853
Speaker 3: your your personal CCTV.

700
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Speaker 12: So it kind of comes down to what you're actually

701
00:34:10,293 --> 00:34:14,053
Speaker 12: saying in regards to that footage. If you were to say,

702
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Speaker 12: I mean, there's a million different ways of looking at it,

703
00:34:18,373 --> 00:34:22,893
Speaker 12: but if you were to accuse somebody of something serious

704
00:34:23,453 --> 00:34:26,773
Speaker 12: and that didn't happen, then that would be come under defamation.

705
00:34:27,413 --> 00:34:30,253
Speaker 12: So regardless of where it is, how it happens, what

706
00:34:30,413 --> 00:34:32,973
Speaker 12: you're saying is going on. If what you're saying is

707
00:34:33,053 --> 00:34:38,813
Speaker 12: untrue or can be proven otherwise, then your borderlining on

708
00:34:38,933 --> 00:34:43,493
Speaker 12: defamation and you could be in a lot of trouble.

709
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, Jonathan, arguably, when you're walking around in public,

710
00:34:46,613 --> 00:34:49,252
Speaker 2: then you kind of expecting to be filmed a little

711
00:34:49,253 --> 00:34:52,773
Speaker 2: bit of either by public or you know, you know

712
00:34:53,453 --> 00:34:56,413
Speaker 2: cameras that the police are monitoring or in your case,

713
00:34:56,453 --> 00:34:59,933
Speaker 2: cameras that are coming off private residence. But what about

714
00:34:59,973 --> 00:35:05,293
Speaker 2: when that camera covers another person's residence. So a camera

715
00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:08,613
Speaker 2: from a private property that is also filming into someone

716
00:35:08,613 --> 00:35:10,213
Speaker 2: else's private property.

717
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Speaker 12: So that in itself is illegal. So what happens. I've

718
00:35:15,573 --> 00:35:21,533
Speaker 12: installed thousands of CCTV cameras over the years, and essentially,

719
00:35:21,613 --> 00:35:24,013
Speaker 12: if there's concerns that your neighbor might be looking over

720
00:35:24,053 --> 00:35:27,133
Speaker 12: your fence and filming that, then it's it's a simple

721
00:35:27,293 --> 00:35:30,013
Speaker 12: call to either the police or the council. The police

722
00:35:30,013 --> 00:35:32,733
Speaker 12: will come out and visit, they'll request to see the footage.

723
00:35:32,773 --> 00:35:35,533
Speaker 12: If they see that it does breach those guidelines, they'll

724
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Speaker 12: instruct the homo that they have to have it re

725
00:35:37,533 --> 00:35:40,573
Speaker 12: angled to ensure that it no longer covers into that

726
00:35:40,613 --> 00:35:43,732
Speaker 12: private property. Different rules around that.

727
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Speaker 4: Otherwise situation where you've got peeping tom's operating.

728
00:35:48,453 --> 00:35:51,853
Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, and that is a concern and it

729
00:35:52,213 --> 00:35:54,533
Speaker 12: I mean, I'm sure it does happen from time to time,

730
00:35:55,613 --> 00:35:57,973
Speaker 12: and that's why those rules are in place to give,

731
00:35:58,653 --> 00:36:01,093
Speaker 12: you know, home owner is the ability to say, hey,

732
00:36:01,133 --> 00:36:04,533
Speaker 12: look that camera appears to be looking at me. We'd

733
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Speaker 12: like somebody to go and make sure that it's not Jonathan.

734
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Speaker 3: You've been great to to Thank you very much for

735
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Speaker 3: calling in. It is nine minutes to two.

736
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Speaker 1: Back very surely, Matt Heath, Tyler Adams teaking your calls

737
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Speaker 1: on Tyler Adams afternoons.

738
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Speaker 3: News news storks edb Met and Tyler with you until

739
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Speaker 3: four pm. We are talking about CCTV cameras and the

740
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Speaker 3: home set ups. Get a Paul, Hey, you got guys.

741
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Speaker 18: You're doing a good job.

742
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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.

743
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Speaker 18: Here's a quick story now.

744
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Speaker 19: I read this article on paper a few years ago.

745
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Speaker 19: So there was a man who was in charge of

746
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Speaker 19: a an area called anti porn campaigner yep, and they

747
00:36:45,693 --> 00:36:49,093
Speaker 19: interviewed him this, why is it that you were filmed

748
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Speaker 19: going into a certain adult entertainment establishment?

749
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Speaker 2: Was he the guy that was I don't want to

750
00:36:57,413 --> 00:36:58,933
Speaker 2: give too many details, but he was he the guy

751
00:36:58,973 --> 00:37:02,573
Speaker 2: that was complaining about the painting above the Las Vegas

752
00:37:02,573 --> 00:37:03,573
Speaker 2: strip club on Krow?

753
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Speaker 19: No, I don't think so this was a different club.

754
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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, right car, carry on the bottom of town.

755
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Speaker 19: You're not where on me. So anyway, he was film

756
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,813
Speaker 19: going on there when he was asked interviewers to why

757
00:37:16,053 --> 00:37:19,493
Speaker 19: he went to this particular club. He's it was I

758
00:37:19,533 --> 00:37:21,773
Speaker 19: had to go and see what what was going on,

759
00:37:22,013 --> 00:37:26,212
Speaker 19: and I was disgusted. And then they said, how come

760
00:37:26,253 --> 00:37:32,573
Speaker 19: you were there forty seven times in the last six months.

761
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Speaker 18: That's it was all camera work, all camera work.

762
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so we're there to mind and that's a

763
00:37:38,973 --> 00:37:39,573
Speaker 3: great story.

764
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Speaker 6: Paul.

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Speaker 3: You are pro CCTV cameras, particularly to catch.

766
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Speaker 9: Out dog differently.

767
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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, No, I met a krim once.

769
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Speaker 19: It was obviously a krim. You had more tattooed skin

770
00:37:50,733 --> 00:37:53,613
Speaker 19: than plain skin. I remember a Mumpley saying, there's not

771
00:37:53,693 --> 00:37:55,652
Speaker 19: much we can do these days in the inner city

772
00:37:55,693 --> 00:37:58,933
Speaker 19: because the eyes watching all the time. That was his answer,

773
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Speaker 19: and he was dead on.

774
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Speaker 18: So it's a good thing.

775
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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I remember reading this thread and it was talking to criminals.

777
00:38:04,813 --> 00:38:06,613
Speaker 2: It was actually on read it and it was saying,

778
00:38:06,693 --> 00:38:10,133
Speaker 2: what is the thing that will stop you robbing a place?

779
00:38:11,013 --> 00:38:14,293
Speaker 2: And a bunch of criminals are coming in CCTV footage.

780
00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:17,453
Speaker 2: CCTV cameras operating are a big deterrent.

781
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

782
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Speaker 3: Have you got to set up at home pool?

783
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Speaker 8: Yes?

784
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Speaker 20: I do.

785
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, thank you very much. A great story

786
00:38:23,813 --> 00:38:25,733
Speaker 3: about that particular individual. There will be a lot of

787
00:38:25,733 --> 00:38:28,893
Speaker 3: people who know who that person is. Oh e one

788
00:38:28,973 --> 00:38:30,773
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty, ten eighty is the number. Of course,

789
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Speaker 3: we don't carry this on after two o'clock. If you've

790
00:38:33,373 --> 00:38:36,533
Speaker 3: got a home set up CCTV and it is very popular,

791
00:38:36,693 --> 00:38:41,133
Speaker 3: popular these days. What did you say before four hundred thousand.

792
00:38:40,973 --> 00:38:44,652
Speaker 2: Privately owned CCTV cameras operating in New Zealand right now

793
00:38:44,693 --> 00:38:47,133
Speaker 2: and only ten thousand operating publicly.

794
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Speaker 3: If you've managed to utilize that footage, there was a

795
00:38:50,333 --> 00:38:52,813
Speaker 3: crime committed on your property or outside your property, and

796
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Speaker 3: you pass it on to the police. Love to hear

797
00:38:54,773 --> 00:38:56,453
Speaker 3: what happened? Oh e one hundred and eighty, ten eighty.

798
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And when does privately owned CCD footage go too far?

800
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Speaker 2: When is it just a phishing exercise? When does it

801
00:39:02,013 --> 00:39:02,893
Speaker 2: become voyeurism?

802
00:39:03,133 --> 00:39:06,853
Speaker 3: Yeah? This text to the news Giday. Guys. I work

803
00:39:06,933 --> 00:39:09,652
Speaker 3: in the security industry and one thing that has been

804
00:39:09,653 --> 00:39:13,732
Speaker 3: happening now is running existing cameras through AI servers that

805
00:39:13,853 --> 00:39:17,613
Speaker 3: have the ability to detect intruders, describe what's happening. Even

806
00:39:17,733 --> 00:39:20,613
Speaker 3: alert police technology is coming to the four in this

807
00:39:21,053 --> 00:39:22,573
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that? I mean, that was

808
00:39:22,573 --> 00:39:26,212
Speaker 3: a natural thing with these cameras right, AI being utilized, Yeah,

809
00:39:26,253 --> 00:39:27,213
Speaker 3: to make it more efficient.

810
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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, are you worried as this technology

811
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Speaker 2: advances because you may trust the government you have now,

812
00:39:33,613 --> 00:39:37,053
Speaker 2: But what about the social credit system in China where

813
00:39:37,053 --> 00:39:41,173
Speaker 2: they're making moral assessments and running credit ratings on the

814
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Speaker 2: way people behave.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a lot of people that want to

816
00:39:43,333 --> 00:39:47,093
Speaker 3: talk about the automatic number plate recognition software BERG thing

817
00:39:47,093 --> 00:39:49,213
Speaker 3: in Auckland at the moment. A lot of people getting stung.

818
00:39:49,213 --> 00:39:51,653
Speaker 3: I think even Mike Costkin got a ticket this week

819
00:39:51,853 --> 00:39:55,453
Speaker 3: if I heard that correctly. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

820
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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. We'll see on

821
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Speaker 3: the other side of the.

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Speaker 6: News talking with you all afternoon.

823
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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty

824
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Speaker 1: four News.

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Speaker 3: Talk zid be Welcome back into the show. Yes, Matton

826
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Speaker 3: Tyler with you until four pm. And we are talking

827
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Speaker 3: about CCTV and we've transitioned to the home set up.

828
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Speaker 3: A lot of people have their own CCTV set up

829
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Speaker 3: at their place. You're one of the mets.

830
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have got them.

831
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Speaker 2: I've got them set up in my house in different

832
00:40:23,573 --> 00:40:26,053
Speaker 2: areas and I've got them set up at my door.

833
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Speaker 2: What I find a bit odd, And a lot of

834
00:40:28,613 --> 00:40:30,652
Speaker 2: people are coming through and saying they did this, and

835
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Speaker 2: they're posting to Facebook pages.

836
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Speaker 4: I think it's odd.

837
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Speaker 2: To have CCT footage that is filming outside of your

838
00:40:38,333 --> 00:40:40,973
Speaker 2: house onto the street. I don't have a problem with

839
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Speaker 2: the government really doing it, as long as we don't

840
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Speaker 2: bring in social credit systems that they have in China.

841
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Speaker 2: We were making moral judgments on people. I don't mind that.

842
00:40:50,053 --> 00:40:52,653
Speaker 2: The public, you know, the public good, but I just

843
00:40:52,693 --> 00:40:54,493
Speaker 2: think it's a bit weird. I would never set up

844
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Speaker 2: my camera so it films out of my house onto

845
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Speaker 2: the street. I don't think that's really what it's for.

846
00:40:59,733 --> 00:41:03,093
Speaker 2: That feels a bit of voyeurist. Obviously, if you're getting

847
00:41:03,093 --> 00:41:05,893
Speaker 2: into a Martin McFly peeping Tom situation, you've got your

848
00:41:05,933 --> 00:41:09,732
Speaker 2: camera on an exact angle filming over into someone's house.

849
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's illegal.

850
00:41:11,173 --> 00:41:13,613
Speaker 3: Clearly, that's clearly illegal and wrong.

851
00:41:13,613 --> 00:41:16,812
Speaker 2: And I'm sure there's some filthy creeps doing that as

852
00:41:16,853 --> 00:41:20,053
Speaker 2: we speak. I mean, there's four hundred thousand privately owned

853
00:41:20,093 --> 00:41:21,893
Speaker 2: CCDV camerages and not all of them are going to

854
00:41:21,893 --> 00:41:24,453
Speaker 2: be directed in the right direction. But my feeling is

855
00:41:24,493 --> 00:41:28,373
Speaker 2: that you can film your house, your property, that's fine,

856
00:41:28,613 --> 00:41:32,292
Speaker 2: you own it, But filming out onto the street, look,

857
00:41:32,373 --> 00:41:35,773
Speaker 2: I guarantee that it will catch some dodgy people doing stuff.

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00:41:36,293 --> 00:41:38,693
Speaker 2: I just don't I would never. I would never position

859
00:41:38,773 --> 00:41:40,812
Speaker 2: my camera such that it was filming ou under the street.

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00:41:40,853 --> 00:41:41,652
Speaker 2: I just don't think that's right.

861
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Speaker 3: What if you parked your car out there that you

862
00:41:43,653 --> 00:41:45,773
Speaker 3: didn't have space, you didn't have a driveway, so that's

863
00:41:45,773 --> 00:41:48,853
Speaker 3: where you parked your car. Would you be more comfortable

864
00:41:48,893 --> 00:41:50,732
Speaker 3: pointing your camera at your car to make sure if

865
00:41:50,733 --> 00:41:53,453
Speaker 3: someone did damage it, at least you've got some evidence there.

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Speaker 4: I get.

867
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Speaker 2: Look, I can see why someone might do that, but

868
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Speaker 2: I just think it's odd to direct your camera outside

869
00:42:00,053 --> 00:42:02,573
Speaker 2: of your house. And I get you can direct your

870
00:42:02,613 --> 00:42:04,573
Speaker 2: eyes outside of your house, but for me, it's a

871
00:42:04,573 --> 00:42:07,333
Speaker 2: little bit like peering through the Venetian.

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00:42:06,973 --> 00:42:08,933
Speaker 4: Blinds and going what's going on?

873
00:42:09,173 --> 00:42:10,453
Speaker 3: But curtain twitching?

874
00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:13,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my feeling. I think. I think that just

875
00:42:13,973 --> 00:42:17,893
Speaker 4: goes goes too far, goes too far from me. But

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00:42:18,013 --> 00:42:18,613
Speaker 4: you know, who knows.

877
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Speaker 2: Maybe if I was living in a neighborhood that was

878
00:42:20,173 --> 00:42:23,813
Speaker 2: constantly getting bad stuff was happening, maybe maybe that would

879
00:42:23,893 --> 00:42:25,973
Speaker 2: change my mind. But right now, if I was there

880
00:42:25,973 --> 00:42:27,293
Speaker 2: and I was sitting up my camera and I just

881
00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:30,133
Speaker 2: I just tilted it up so I could look out

882
00:42:30,173 --> 00:42:30,733
Speaker 2: into the street.

883
00:42:31,413 --> 00:42:32,493
Speaker 4: Find I find that odd?

884
00:42:32,773 --> 00:42:34,933
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighties and eighty. Do you

885
00:42:35,173 --> 00:42:37,773
Speaker 3: agree or disagree with Matt on that point? Get ash?

886
00:42:38,533 --> 00:42:38,692
Speaker 12: Oh?

887
00:42:38,773 --> 00:42:39,373
Speaker 8: Hi Tyler?

888
00:42:40,813 --> 00:42:41,053
Speaker 14: Yeah.

889
00:42:41,133 --> 00:42:44,213
Speaker 17: I got a letter in the post and it was

890
00:42:44,213 --> 00:42:49,293
Speaker 17: a ticket with two photographs of our car, and one

891
00:42:49,373 --> 00:42:52,373
Speaker 17: was at twelve o'clock and then one was at eight

892
00:42:52,373 --> 00:42:55,293
Speaker 17: o'clock and it said that you've packed in our car

893
00:42:55,373 --> 00:42:59,772
Speaker 17: park for eight hours. It was a superpack at seem right.

894
00:42:59,973 --> 00:43:04,093
Speaker 17: I thought, Man, that's pretty weird. So we kind of

895
00:43:04,093 --> 00:43:08,373
Speaker 17: thought back the weekend we worked out what happened. My

896
00:43:08,413 --> 00:43:11,253
Speaker 17: wife drove through their car park, decided it was too

897
00:43:11,293 --> 00:43:16,253
Speaker 17: busy in there, they drove out. They took a photograph

898
00:43:16,293 --> 00:43:19,732
Speaker 17: of the car, and then at eight o'clock at night,

899
00:43:19,773 --> 00:43:22,893
Speaker 17: I went for pudding, so I drove into the car park,

900
00:43:23,293 --> 00:43:25,973
Speaker 17: got out ten minutes later, got back in and drove

901
00:43:26,013 --> 00:43:29,813
Speaker 17: home and sent us a letter saying one hundred dollars

902
00:43:30,133 --> 00:43:32,573
Speaker 17: you've been in our car park for eight hours?

903
00:43:33,853 --> 00:43:34,253
Speaker 4: Can I get this?

904
00:43:34,973 --> 00:43:37,013
Speaker 2: Can I get this straight? So you were there and

905
00:43:37,013 --> 00:43:39,733
Speaker 2: then you left and then you went back. Is that correct?

906
00:43:40,453 --> 00:43:43,652
Speaker 17: That's right, so ten minutes and five minutes.

907
00:43:43,853 --> 00:43:48,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, And did you complain and point that

908
00:43:49,093 --> 00:43:50,453
Speaker 2: out and did they retract?

909
00:43:51,693 --> 00:43:56,253
Speaker 17: There was some guys representing the business association there and

910
00:43:56,293 --> 00:43:58,652
Speaker 17: I went in and saw them and they offered me

911
00:43:58,693 --> 00:44:00,733
Speaker 17: a couple of copy and said, oh, yeah, you tried it.

912
00:44:00,893 --> 00:44:06,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you mean you tried it? You fight it?

913
00:44:05,693 --> 00:44:08,973
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, right, you've got to fight that.

914
00:44:09,253 --> 00:44:11,613
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean that's when this automatic number plate

915
00:44:11,653 --> 00:44:16,333
Speaker 3: technology can go wrong. Clearly that the system thought you

916
00:44:16,333 --> 00:44:18,453
Speaker 3: were there all day, where clearly you were just popping

917
00:44:18,493 --> 00:44:20,613
Speaker 3: down to spend some money, hit the business a couple

918
00:44:20,693 --> 00:44:21,133
Speaker 3: of times.

919
00:44:21,293 --> 00:44:23,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they surely want you to go back if

920
00:44:23,093 --> 00:44:24,373
Speaker 2: you want to get something else.

921
00:44:24,533 --> 00:44:28,212
Speaker 17: Well, well, that's correct. And both both the photographs, which

922
00:44:28,333 --> 00:44:31,493
Speaker 17: was kind of interesting, is when the car's moving as well,

923
00:44:31,493 --> 00:44:35,733
Speaker 17: it's not stationary, so so it's like, man, this is

924
00:44:35,853 --> 00:44:38,453
Speaker 17: kind of weird. And one of them's at night, so

925
00:44:38,573 --> 00:44:40,893
Speaker 17: you can't kind of see you wouldn't be able to

926
00:44:40,893 --> 00:44:43,652
Speaker 17: see if it's me, and then my wife the other time.

927
00:44:44,093 --> 00:44:45,053
Speaker 4: Yeah.

928
00:44:45,053 --> 00:44:45,813
Speaker 3: So anyway, I've.

929
00:44:45,653 --> 00:44:47,773
Speaker 17: Sent a letter and haven't had a reply and on

930
00:44:47,893 --> 00:44:51,213
Speaker 17: the worried about that because I'm thinking, well enough.

931
00:44:52,253 --> 00:44:54,573
Speaker 4: Truly, surely you're in the right and you fight that

932
00:44:55,213 --> 00:44:55,573
Speaker 4: you fight.

933
00:44:55,613 --> 00:44:58,853
Speaker 3: Thatsh I hope it's not that particular car parking company

934
00:44:58,853 --> 00:45:01,533
Speaker 3: that we all love to hate. In fact, I don't

935
00:45:01,533 --> 00:45:03,533
Speaker 3: think there's any love with this particular company. It's not

936
00:45:03,653 --> 00:45:06,053
Speaker 3: you know, the company I'm talking about, ash Is It

937
00:45:06,093 --> 00:45:06,973
Speaker 3: starts with a big W.

938
00:45:07,453 --> 00:45:10,573
Speaker 17: It's not those well no, no, it's it's just a

939
00:45:10,653 --> 00:45:16,053
Speaker 17: supermarket car park. It's one of the main supermarkets in Southmore.

940
00:45:15,733 --> 00:45:17,453
Speaker 4: Or you all the best with that. As you fight,

941
00:45:17,533 --> 00:45:19,613
Speaker 4: you fight, you fight, you fight, fight, fight fight.

942
00:45:19,693 --> 00:45:22,493
Speaker 3: Now, see that's where it goes wrong, right. And there

943
00:45:22,533 --> 00:45:25,333
Speaker 3: was another story quite recently about a young chap who

944
00:45:26,093 --> 00:45:29,013
Speaker 3: got the he got his car impounded eat she was

945
00:45:29,013 --> 00:45:30,773
Speaker 3: on Reddit. The story was on Reddit, got his car

946
00:45:30,813 --> 00:45:34,173
Speaker 3: impounded and they asked him for four thousand dollars or

947
00:45:34,173 --> 00:45:36,212
Speaker 3: you're not getting your car back. And the reason they

948
00:45:36,253 --> 00:45:38,453
Speaker 3: asked him for four thousand dollars, according to this chap

949
00:45:38,453 --> 00:45:41,212
Speaker 3: on Reddit, is that he had been fined. He had

950
00:45:41,253 --> 00:45:44,773
Speaker 3: forty tickets that hadn't been paid and he suspects that

951
00:45:44,813 --> 00:45:48,172
Speaker 3: they just got the number plate slightly wrong with their technology,

952
00:45:48,333 --> 00:45:50,653
Speaker 3: and this chap was still fighting through not a resolution

953
00:45:50,733 --> 00:45:53,252
Speaker 3: as far as I can see. But again he's telling

954
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:56,373
Speaker 3: the pictures well, he was supplying the evidence that he

955
00:45:56,453 --> 00:45:59,533
Speaker 3: had paid that money, so he had always paid his ticket, right,

956
00:45:59,973 --> 00:46:02,333
Speaker 3: so I imagine he will get off. But again, you know,

957
00:46:02,373 --> 00:46:04,493
Speaker 3: when these systems are not picking up the right information.

958
00:46:04,573 --> 00:46:06,493
Speaker 4: I just want to change tech here just a little bit.

959
00:46:06,573 --> 00:46:06,853
Speaker 3: Okay.

960
00:46:07,333 --> 00:46:13,013
Speaker 2: I am anti council parking enforcement cars that just whip

961
00:46:13,093 --> 00:46:15,853
Speaker 2: up and down streets with the cameras pinging people. I

962
00:46:15,893 --> 00:46:17,653
Speaker 2: think for a start, I've said this before and I

963
00:46:17,653 --> 00:46:19,293
Speaker 2: don't want to change the topic. I don't think councils

964
00:46:19,293 --> 00:46:21,093
Speaker 2: should be able to find you for parking.

965
00:46:21,093 --> 00:46:21,973
Speaker 4: We own the streets.

966
00:46:22,413 --> 00:46:25,213
Speaker 2: But just zipping around and catching everyone. You have to

967
00:46:25,333 --> 00:46:27,133
Speaker 2: you have to go out and catch me doing it.

968
00:46:27,013 --> 00:46:28,973
Speaker 4: It can't be. You can't just be. You have to

969
00:46:29,053 --> 00:46:30,013
Speaker 4: work to give me a ticket.

970
00:46:30,053 --> 00:46:30,253
Speaker 10: You can.

971
00:46:30,813 --> 00:46:33,133
Speaker 3: You can't do it on the cameras. Get out and walk,

972
00:46:33,253 --> 00:46:33,533
Speaker 3: you know.

973
00:46:33,813 --> 00:46:35,413
Speaker 4: Yeah, you go out and do the hard yards on

974
00:46:35,453 --> 00:46:36,053
Speaker 4: the street.

975
00:46:35,853 --> 00:46:37,653
Speaker 3: You do the k's on your feet.

976
00:46:37,933 --> 00:46:39,373
Speaker 4: If it was raining that they wouldn't want to be

977
00:46:39,413 --> 00:46:39,732
Speaker 4: out there.

978
00:46:41,533 --> 00:46:45,253
Speaker 3: Oh eight ten eighty Scott, You know, mate, how are

979
00:46:45,293 --> 00:46:47,652
Speaker 3: you doing? Yeah good? What's your take on the CCTV.

980
00:46:48,933 --> 00:46:54,013
Speaker 18: I have CCTV on my house here in Auckland, and

981
00:46:54,093 --> 00:46:58,373
Speaker 18: I have it on our family holiday home in the Corimandel.

982
00:46:59,173 --> 00:47:04,453
Speaker 18: Both sets of cameras are pointing outside the house. They're

983
00:47:04,493 --> 00:47:08,253
Speaker 18: mounted on the eaves, but they look down the house,

984
00:47:08,453 --> 00:47:12,613
Speaker 18: not out into the street we live really, so you

985
00:47:12,693 --> 00:47:15,692
Speaker 18: can jump a fence and walk through my property if

986
00:47:15,733 --> 00:47:19,692
Speaker 18: you felt like it. But it's giving me. I get

987
00:47:19,693 --> 00:47:23,933
Speaker 18: a notification if the camera goes off and it comes

988
00:47:23,933 --> 00:47:26,493
Speaker 18: through to my cell phone, so I can jump on

989
00:47:26,533 --> 00:47:29,973
Speaker 18: and the look I'm not. I can see a main

990
00:47:30,493 --> 00:47:33,212
Speaker 18: thier route going past. I don't care. I can't see

991
00:47:33,213 --> 00:47:36,173
Speaker 18: what's what's happening, but I can see around my property.

992
00:47:36,653 --> 00:47:41,813
Speaker 2: So you are filming a little bit of public of

993
00:47:42,173 --> 00:47:45,133
Speaker 2: sort of a public publicly accessible areas.

994
00:47:46,213 --> 00:47:50,293
Speaker 18: Yes, yes, And and the reason for the for the

995
00:47:50,333 --> 00:47:53,773
Speaker 18: holiday property is because you know, you don't you're not

996
00:47:53,813 --> 00:47:57,293
Speaker 18: down there all the time. And I get an alert

997
00:47:58,413 --> 00:48:00,893
Speaker 18: you can see what happens and we get it on

998
00:48:01,453 --> 00:48:05,533
Speaker 18: the local fatbook page comes up for where the holiday

999
00:48:05,533 --> 00:48:07,933
Speaker 18: home is on the Coron Mantle and people are always

1000
00:48:07,933 --> 00:48:11,253
Speaker 18: put up CCD. You know someone's just walked through my

1001
00:48:11,333 --> 00:48:16,053
Speaker 18: property this or that the other. I don't point it

1002
00:48:16,053 --> 00:48:17,613
Speaker 18: at the street. I don't want to know what's on

1003
00:48:17,653 --> 00:48:19,773
Speaker 18: the street. I just want to know what's in sober fenses.

1004
00:48:20,173 --> 00:48:23,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's that's absolutely sweet. As what

1005
00:48:23,693 --> 00:48:25,893
Speaker 2: I find a bit odd is when people set it

1006
00:48:25,973 --> 00:48:31,093
Speaker 2: up on their property facing out towards the street.

1007
00:48:31,293 --> 00:48:33,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think most people would be like you, Scott,

1008
00:48:33,573 --> 00:48:36,053
Speaker 3: where you've got your CCTV set up and you're looking

1009
00:48:36,093 --> 00:48:38,373
Speaker 3: at a bit, you know, a part of your own property.

1010
00:48:38,493 --> 00:48:41,413
Speaker 3: But also because of the wide angle lens, you're picking

1011
00:48:41,493 --> 00:48:42,493
Speaker 3: up quite a bit of the street.

1012
00:48:44,013 --> 00:48:46,813
Speaker 18: Well, yeah, I mean the one on our front door

1013
00:48:46,853 --> 00:48:48,933
Speaker 18: covers their front door down to our drive, to the

1014
00:48:48,933 --> 00:48:49,733
Speaker 18: front of the garage.

1015
00:48:49,733 --> 00:48:50,533
Speaker 19: If if the.

1016
00:48:50,493 --> 00:48:52,733
Speaker 18: Courier turns up, I can see him turn up, I

1017
00:48:52,733 --> 00:48:54,933
Speaker 18: can see the box left there or whatever. And you

1018
00:48:54,973 --> 00:48:56,732
Speaker 18: know that's that's cool.

1019
00:48:58,933 --> 00:49:00,692
Speaker 19: It's not it's not in.

1020
00:49:00,693 --> 00:49:05,212
Speaker 18: Anybody's face or getting into anybody else's batcart. I don't

1021
00:49:05,213 --> 00:49:06,693
Speaker 18: want to do that. I don't care what you do

1022
00:49:06,733 --> 00:49:07,333
Speaker 18: in your backcout.

1023
00:49:07,413 --> 00:49:10,093
Speaker 2: I don't want to know when you fill me someone

1024
00:49:10,093 --> 00:49:12,813
Speaker 2: house's backyard. That gets into the same For Marty McFly,

1025
00:49:13,533 --> 00:49:17,212
Speaker 2: peeping tom Territory. But how often with your your your

1026
00:49:17,373 --> 00:49:20,652
Speaker 2: camera down at the batch, are you getting notifications when

1027
00:49:21,013 --> 00:49:22,413
Speaker 2: animals are walking through your property?

1028
00:49:24,573 --> 00:49:27,133
Speaker 18: Well, you put on it. I've got the ability to

1029
00:49:27,453 --> 00:49:28,252
Speaker 18: filter that out.

1030
00:49:30,533 --> 00:49:30,893
Speaker 21: You can.

1031
00:49:31,173 --> 00:49:33,613
Speaker 18: You can recognize the fact that it's if it recognizes

1032
00:49:33,653 --> 00:49:37,573
Speaker 18: it's an animal. It doesn't. I don't get a notification

1033
00:49:38,133 --> 00:49:40,172
Speaker 18: if someone opens the gate. You know the meta reader

1034
00:49:40,173 --> 00:49:43,653
Speaker 18: pops in to read the meter. Well, it doesn't happen anymore,

1035
00:49:43,653 --> 00:49:47,733
Speaker 18: but you know, you get a notification that someone's opened

1036
00:49:47,733 --> 00:49:51,813
Speaker 18: the gate and all through the gate. If I'm feeling

1037
00:49:51,853 --> 00:49:55,093
Speaker 18: that way in kind, I can pick up my cell phone,

1038
00:49:55,093 --> 00:49:57,293
Speaker 18: bring it up live stream. I can talk to them.

1039
00:49:57,773 --> 00:49:59,413
Speaker 18: You can set off a siren.

1040
00:49:59,573 --> 00:50:02,133
Speaker 3: You know you can, and what sort of said?

1041
00:50:02,333 --> 00:50:02,692
Speaker 21: What what?

1042
00:50:02,693 --> 00:50:04,293
Speaker 3: What's that worth for that sort of set up?

1043
00:50:06,493 --> 00:50:11,653
Speaker 22: It's surprisingly almost affordable. It's a Youthie is the brand

1044
00:50:11,693 --> 00:50:15,613
Speaker 22: that we're using. And you can buy them about twelve

1045
00:50:15,653 --> 00:50:17,733
Speaker 22: hundred bucks gets your two or three cameras.

1046
00:50:17,933 --> 00:50:19,333
Speaker 3: That's not bad, and it's pretty good.

1047
00:50:19,373 --> 00:50:21,453
Speaker 2: And it knows the cat's a cat, and it knows

1048
00:50:21,493 --> 00:50:24,973
Speaker 2: the dog's a dog. I mean a clever, a clever

1049
00:50:25,053 --> 00:50:27,973
Speaker 2: burglar that dresses up and then you're.

1050
00:50:27,853 --> 00:50:32,853
Speaker 3: Really stuffed dog costume. Thank you very much, Scott. It

1051
00:50:32,933 --> 00:50:35,652
Speaker 3: is seventeen parts to bag very shortly with more of

1052
00:50:35,693 --> 00:50:36,413
Speaker 3: your calls.

1053
00:50:37,613 --> 00:50:41,293
Speaker 1: Your new home of Afternoon Talk and even Tyler Adams

1054
00:50:41,333 --> 00:50:45,213
Speaker 1: Afternoon Call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

1055
00:50:46,933 --> 00:50:48,933
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Lynnette.

1056
00:50:50,413 --> 00:50:51,573
Speaker 20: Hello, how are you?

1057
00:50:51,693 --> 00:50:52,133
Speaker 3: You're good?

1058
00:50:52,293 --> 00:50:54,533
Speaker 2: You want to talk about parking tickets via those cameras

1059
00:50:54,533 --> 00:50:58,173
Speaker 2: with those dirty cars whipping around the streets, not.

1060
00:50:58,413 --> 00:51:04,373
Speaker 20: Dirty cameras, but daddy watching. Yeah, Sunday afternoon, Well went

1061
00:51:04,373 --> 00:51:07,613
Speaker 20: out for a bottomless brunch, did the right thing, got

1062
00:51:07,613 --> 00:51:10,973
Speaker 20: a couple of the members to drop us off. They

1063
00:51:11,053 --> 00:51:16,013
Speaker 20: came back to pick us up literally four minutes within

1064
00:51:16,133 --> 00:51:21,533
Speaker 20: this area. When my car drove in and drove out.

1065
00:51:21,653 --> 00:51:24,013
Speaker 20: It was four minutes to get us into the car

1066
00:51:24,173 --> 00:51:28,453
Speaker 20: and out. There were two cars and I got pained

1067
00:51:28,693 --> 00:51:29,893
Speaker 20: eighty five.

1068
00:51:31,333 --> 00:51:32,413
Speaker 3: Those dirty buggers.

1069
00:51:32,453 --> 00:51:35,973
Speaker 2: What happened to The punishment should fit the crime. Also,

1070
00:51:36,013 --> 00:51:39,652
Speaker 2: were you on the mimosas? I was, no, I love

1071
00:51:39,693 --> 00:51:40,173
Speaker 2: a mimosa.

1072
00:51:40,293 --> 00:51:43,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can't judge on that one.

1073
00:51:43,653 --> 00:51:44,533
Speaker 4: But also you're.

1074
00:51:44,333 --> 00:51:46,013
Speaker 2: Doing the right thing that do you know what's wrong

1075
00:51:46,013 --> 00:51:48,533
Speaker 2: about that? I mean, obviously, Linette, you would never you

1076
00:51:48,573 --> 00:51:53,652
Speaker 2: would never drive a car after a few mimosas that's

1077
00:51:53,693 --> 00:51:55,813
Speaker 2: that's not the way you operate. I can tell just

1078
00:51:55,813 --> 00:51:57,013
Speaker 2: by the sound of your voice.

1079
00:51:57,173 --> 00:51:58,252
Speaker 4: So you're doing the right thing.

1080
00:51:58,573 --> 00:52:01,933
Speaker 2: So you've organized to be picked up after a fantastic brunch,

1081
00:52:01,973 --> 00:52:04,573
Speaker 2: and then they just sour you with with They're just

1082
00:52:04,653 --> 00:52:07,692
Speaker 2: driving past. They're not making evaluation. A human being would

1083
00:52:07,693 --> 00:52:10,053
Speaker 2: walk past that parking person go ah, they're just picking

1084
00:52:10,053 --> 00:52:13,573
Speaker 2: them up, dropping them off. But you've got this just blanket.

1085
00:52:13,733 --> 00:52:18,173
Speaker 2: It's like driftnet fishing. You're just grabbing everything off the

1086
00:52:18,213 --> 00:52:21,333
Speaker 2: off the floor of the ocean and pinging good people

1087
00:52:21,333 --> 00:52:21,652
Speaker 2: like you.

1088
00:52:23,053 --> 00:52:26,692
Speaker 20: Well, well, you're right. But then when I re looked

1089
00:52:26,693 --> 00:52:29,172
Speaker 20: at the picture, because I'm thinking, how did my other

1090
00:52:29,253 --> 00:52:34,573
Speaker 20: family not get ticketed because him? So Anyway, when I

1091
00:52:34,773 --> 00:52:39,933
Speaker 20: zoomed in on the picture, I didn't see that the

1092
00:52:40,013 --> 00:52:44,413
Speaker 20: car park had Auckland co op like it's painted on

1093
00:52:44,533 --> 00:52:45,373
Speaker 20: the car park.

1094
00:52:45,813 --> 00:52:47,613
Speaker 23: Where as you're walking out, didn't.

1095
00:52:47,293 --> 00:52:52,533
Speaker 20: Even notice anything. But basically, perfour minutes, they've still pinged

1096
00:52:52,613 --> 00:52:56,373
Speaker 20: me for eighty five dollars and they would literally see

1097
00:52:57,213 --> 00:52:59,893
Speaker 20: literally see us walking up to the car, getting in

1098
00:52:59,973 --> 00:53:01,252
Speaker 20: it and driving out.

1099
00:53:01,653 --> 00:53:02,333
Speaker 4: They're bad people.

1100
00:53:02,413 --> 00:53:04,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wrong. See, that's wrong with this country. That's

1101
00:53:04,853 --> 00:53:06,973
Speaker 3: why we're going down to google her. It's people like that.

1102
00:53:07,173 --> 00:53:10,613
Speaker 3: Lynette was doing what she for hospitality in Auckland and

1103
00:53:10,653 --> 00:53:12,813
Speaker 3: she got paying for four minutes just getting picked up.

1104
00:53:12,893 --> 00:53:15,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy and it makes you angry and it

1105
00:53:15,453 --> 00:53:18,413
Speaker 2: turns you against the whole system. You're doing the right

1106
00:53:18,493 --> 00:53:20,573
Speaker 2: thing and then you get paying. That makes me angry.

1107
00:53:20,653 --> 00:53:21,933
Speaker 2: That makes me I'm going to hit the streets for

1108
00:53:21,973 --> 00:53:22,333
Speaker 2: the net.

1109
00:53:22,373 --> 00:53:25,413
Speaker 3: It's like those those parking companies where you might be

1110
00:53:25,453 --> 00:53:28,453
Speaker 3: two minutes late and boom they come out of nowhere

1111
00:53:28,573 --> 00:53:30,533
Speaker 3: and automatically give you a ticket. And you think, well,

1112
00:53:30,573 --> 00:53:32,173
Speaker 3: can I just pay for that extra two minutes? You

1113
00:53:32,173 --> 00:53:33,853
Speaker 3: know I'm two minutes late. I will pay you for

1114
00:53:33,893 --> 00:53:36,212
Speaker 3: the extra two minutes. What's that another forty cents? Nah,

1115
00:53:36,253 --> 00:53:38,172
Speaker 3: they don't have it. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1116
00:53:38,213 --> 00:53:49,613
Speaker 3: It's the number to call. It is twenty two PAS two.

1117
00:53:46,693 --> 00:53:50,373
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1118
00:53:50,453 --> 00:53:51,893
Speaker 1: ten eighty on us talk.

1119
00:53:51,773 --> 00:53:54,093
Speaker 3: ZB YEO, Peter, thanks for hanging on.

1120
00:53:55,333 --> 00:53:59,453
Speaker 24: There's no problem, no problem. Get I was just giggling

1121
00:53:59,453 --> 00:54:04,253
Speaker 24: away here. So my son is thirty five now, but

1122
00:54:04,413 --> 00:54:07,773
Speaker 24: when he is eighteen, left home and we had a

1123
00:54:07,813 --> 00:54:12,773
Speaker 24: little fashion thing like how's your weekend gone? Yeah, we

1124
00:54:12,813 --> 00:54:16,973
Speaker 24: went to nightclubs in Twanga, came out and then someone

1125
00:54:17,013 --> 00:54:20,493
Speaker 24: came up behind us and started scausing a scrap and

1126
00:54:20,533 --> 00:54:23,373
Speaker 24: then all all all hell broke loose and then next

1127
00:54:23,373 --> 00:54:26,893
Speaker 24: minute the police. So we just boosted it out of there,

1128
00:54:26,973 --> 00:54:30,772
Speaker 24: down the side street, then underneath there, then down this way.

1129
00:54:31,093 --> 00:54:33,333
Speaker 24: We got right down there. It was sweet now mate,

1130
00:54:33,373 --> 00:54:37,172
Speaker 24: And next minute cop just pulls up. Had followed them

1131
00:54:37,213 --> 00:54:39,573
Speaker 24: on the CCT where they were going. Why are you

1132
00:54:39,613 --> 00:54:40,133
Speaker 24: running away?

1133
00:54:40,693 --> 00:54:40,853
Speaker 25: Ah?

1134
00:54:41,533 --> 00:54:43,893
Speaker 24: The hell do they know? So back to the police station,

1135
00:54:44,613 --> 00:54:47,813
Speaker 24: the sun talking to his dad. Oh okay, mate, yes,

1136
00:54:47,893 --> 00:54:51,093
Speaker 24: so what happened? Well, I got the CCT and then

1137
00:54:51,373 --> 00:54:54,013
Speaker 24: saw us coming out of the pub and then see

1138
00:54:54,053 --> 00:54:56,213
Speaker 24: these guys set on to us, and then we do

1139
00:54:56,333 --> 00:55:00,493
Speaker 24: the swing okay, and the police officer zooms in. He goes, oh,

1140
00:55:00,533 --> 00:55:03,573
Speaker 24: well you didn't hit them there, you missed them, and

1141
00:55:03,613 --> 00:55:06,973
Speaker 24: then then you're drunk and you're drunkard. But the next

1142
00:55:06,973 --> 00:55:09,173
Speaker 24: one he hits you, and then you do another swing

1143
00:55:09,253 --> 00:55:12,573
Speaker 24: and you miss him, and then you do another he

1144
00:55:12,653 --> 00:55:16,733
Speaker 24: missed him six times. He didn't even lay a glove

1145
00:55:16,813 --> 00:55:17,172
Speaker 24: on him.

1146
00:55:17,613 --> 00:55:19,212
Speaker 3: This is your son that didn't land.

1147
00:55:19,453 --> 00:55:23,453
Speaker 24: This is my son. I mean, my son didn't offending himself.

1148
00:55:23,533 --> 00:55:25,613
Speaker 24: But you know he could tell me he's a kun

1149
00:55:25,693 --> 00:55:30,133
Speaker 24: from expert and the champion boxer, and he didn't lay

1150
00:55:30,133 --> 00:55:30,573
Speaker 24: a finger.

1151
00:55:30,613 --> 00:55:31,413
Speaker 18: He was trying to.

1152
00:55:32,813 --> 00:55:35,252
Speaker 3: But were you disappointed in that? Is that what you're saying?

1153
00:55:36,453 --> 00:55:36,853
Speaker 9: I was.

1154
00:55:36,973 --> 00:55:38,253
Speaker 15: I was just enthralled.

1155
00:55:38,373 --> 00:55:43,333
Speaker 24: I didn't actually know about this is fifteen years ago.

1156
00:55:43,413 --> 00:55:46,613
Speaker 24: You know, you're dying for a person. You go somewhere

1157
00:55:46,613 --> 00:55:52,013
Speaker 24: and they're probably watching you anyway, he said the cop. See, oh,

1158
00:55:52,053 --> 00:55:55,773
Speaker 24: we can't charge you with anyone off you go, mate.

1159
00:55:56,533 --> 00:55:59,493
Speaker 2: The intention was, but you missed by so far that

1160
00:55:59,853 --> 00:56:02,053
Speaker 2: the haymakers were so bad that you couldn't be charged

1161
00:56:02,093 --> 00:56:02,692
Speaker 2: for the Yeah.

1162
00:56:02,893 --> 00:56:05,212
Speaker 3: So all of the story is if you ever get

1163
00:56:05,213 --> 00:56:07,173
Speaker 3: into a scrap, just don't land a punch.

1164
00:56:07,493 --> 00:56:08,692
Speaker 21: Right yeah.

1165
00:56:08,733 --> 00:56:09,133
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1166
00:56:09,173 --> 00:56:13,133
Speaker 24: But but on the same token, they can see everything,

1167
00:56:13,973 --> 00:56:15,413
Speaker 24: and is that.

1168
00:56:15,413 --> 00:56:15,773
Speaker 4: A good thing.

1169
00:56:15,773 --> 00:56:17,693
Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about the difference between private and

1170
00:56:17,813 --> 00:56:22,813
Speaker 2: public CCTV footage, So people filming on their own properties

1171
00:56:22,893 --> 00:56:25,373
Speaker 2: or from their properties out onto the street is one thing.

1172
00:56:25,453 --> 00:56:28,333
Speaker 2: But I think we all, I mean most of us

1173
00:56:28,333 --> 00:56:32,173
Speaker 2: think it's okay that the police will will have access

1174
00:56:32,213 --> 00:56:35,053
Speaker 2: to what's happening out on public public property.

1175
00:56:36,573 --> 00:56:41,093
Speaker 24: Yeah, well I'm dairy farming, and yeah it's being hit outline.

1176
00:56:41,253 --> 00:56:43,333
Speaker 24: You know, we can't have it in the animals when

1177
00:56:43,333 --> 00:56:45,853
Speaker 24: they get shot and taken away. But on the same

1178
00:56:45,893 --> 00:56:49,533
Speaker 24: token game to the cow shed pinching motorbile expension. Everyone's

1179
00:56:49,533 --> 00:56:52,693
Speaker 24: got CCT down there. And then you even go to

1180
00:56:52,733 --> 00:56:57,453
Speaker 24: the stage where a tall truck guy doing deliveries to

1181
00:56:57,573 --> 00:57:00,693
Speaker 24: him as he said, yeah, he's just the cameras in

1182
00:57:00,733 --> 00:57:03,893
Speaker 24: the truck. Everything I do, you scratch your ear, you

1183
00:57:03,933 --> 00:57:06,853
Speaker 24: do anything, you stop, and they ring and even your

1184
00:57:06,893 --> 00:57:09,293
Speaker 24: own crowd ring you up saying where I say you

1185
00:57:09,333 --> 00:57:13,213
Speaker 24: mate and you say because he's running late, yeah, and

1186
00:57:13,293 --> 00:57:16,733
Speaker 24: he bullshits nowhere is thank.

1187
00:57:16,573 --> 00:57:18,093
Speaker 4: You so much for your call, Peter, I got that.

1188
00:57:18,213 --> 00:57:20,333
Speaker 2: We got this interesting textro on nineteen ninet two, say

1189
00:57:20,373 --> 00:57:22,853
Speaker 2: summer someone saying, look, I've got to set up on

1190
00:57:22,973 --> 00:57:24,653
Speaker 2: my house private setup.

1191
00:57:24,693 --> 00:57:26,253
Speaker 4: I'm filming out into the street. What do you think

1192
00:57:26,293 --> 00:57:26,613
Speaker 4: about it?

1193
00:57:26,693 --> 00:57:30,373
Speaker 2: Heath, I've sent you the foo footage to a dm'd

1194
00:57:30,413 --> 00:57:32,133
Speaker 2: you of private message you the footage, but we don't

1195
00:57:32,133 --> 00:57:34,213
Speaker 2: find it. Where have you sent it texture on nineteen

1196
00:57:34,293 --> 00:57:37,053
Speaker 2: nine two at heath in zed at Instagram.

1197
00:57:37,173 --> 00:57:39,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, so here it is here get a heath just

1198
00:57:39,613 --> 00:57:42,053
Speaker 3: sent a photo of my front facing camera. What do

1199
00:57:42,093 --> 00:57:44,053
Speaker 3: you think of that? It's a bit of both. Really

1200
00:57:44,133 --> 00:57:46,693
Speaker 3: wanted to cover my driveway area but also is road

1201
00:57:46,693 --> 00:57:49,653
Speaker 3: facing with a bit of the neighbors in view. So

1202
00:57:49,693 --> 00:57:51,933
Speaker 3: we'll track down that photo. But dear text that where

1203
00:57:51,933 --> 00:57:52,093
Speaker 3: have you.

1204
00:57:52,133 --> 00:57:54,213
Speaker 4: Sent it to? Yeah, and check in all my socials.

1205
00:57:54,213 --> 00:57:55,813
Speaker 3: I think he sent it straight to the police, which

1206
00:57:55,853 --> 00:57:58,653
Speaker 3: is fair enough. Eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1207
00:57:58,973 --> 00:58:02,973
Speaker 3: It is twenty nine past two.

1208
00:58:03,333 --> 00:58:06,853
Speaker 10: US talk sai'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1209
00:58:06,893 --> 00:58:09,973
Speaker 10: no trouble with a blue bubble. A manhunt continues in

1210
00:58:10,013 --> 00:58:13,613
Speaker 10: Auckland for thirty seven year old Cale Leona over the

1211
00:58:13,613 --> 00:58:16,333
Speaker 10: fatal stamping of a woman on a bus in Ornihunger.

1212
00:58:16,653 --> 00:58:20,813
Speaker 10: Police are focusing searchaces searchers on Ornihunger and mart Wellington.

1213
00:58:21,653 --> 00:58:25,413
Speaker 10: The Chief Onombardsman says orang Itzarmadiki's lack of a proper

1214
00:58:25,493 --> 00:58:29,053
Speaker 10: safety plan after reports a man was being violent to

1215
00:58:29,133 --> 00:58:33,213
Speaker 10: his partner's young children led to alleged and attempted kidnaps

1216
00:58:33,693 --> 00:58:39,053
Speaker 10: ot implemented apologies, compensation, training and regular reporting. The fire

1217
00:58:39,093 --> 00:58:41,653
Speaker 10: covering more than one thousand hectares in the funger Marien

1218
00:58:41,773 --> 00:58:45,853
Speaker 10: or wetlands in Waikoto now has a nineteen kilometer perimeter.

1219
00:58:46,253 --> 00:58:51,493
Speaker 10: Helicopters are dampling down hotspots. Auckland councilor Karen Leone is

1220
00:58:51,533 --> 00:58:54,653
Speaker 10: expressing an interest in running for mayor next year, saying

1221
00:58:54,693 --> 00:58:57,573
Speaker 10: the super cities had no mardy or women in the

1222
00:58:57,653 --> 00:59:02,293
Speaker 10: top job. Prime Minister Chris Luxen, alongside his wife Amanda,

1223
00:59:02,413 --> 00:59:05,053
Speaker 10: have arrived in Sarmour ahead of the Commonwealth Heads of

1224
00:59:05,133 --> 00:59:08,973
Speaker 10: Government meeting B and Z among those to who's money

1225
00:59:08,973 --> 00:59:11,853
Speaker 10: from boat company collapse? You can find out more at

1226
00:59:11,853 --> 00:59:15,093
Speaker 10: inzaid Herald Premium. Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

1227
00:59:15,253 --> 00:59:17,693
Speaker 3: Thank you Rayleen. It is twenty seven to three now

1228
00:59:17,693 --> 00:59:20,773
Speaker 3: before the headlines. We mentioned this text message and I'll

1229
00:59:20,773 --> 00:59:23,173
Speaker 3: read it again. Get a guys, just in a photo

1230
00:59:23,253 --> 00:59:26,093
Speaker 3: of my front facing camera, Heath, what do you think

1231
00:59:26,173 --> 00:59:28,053
Speaker 3: of that? It's a bit of both. Really wanted to

1232
00:59:28,053 --> 00:59:30,373
Speaker 3: cover my driveway area but also the road facing with

1233
00:59:30,453 --> 00:59:33,293
Speaker 3: a bit of the neighbors in view. So you've found

1234
00:59:33,293 --> 00:59:33,813
Speaker 3: that photo?

1235
00:59:34,013 --> 00:59:37,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was saying before that I think, of course,

1236
00:59:37,973 --> 00:59:40,493
Speaker 2: privately set up your CCTV footage. If you want to

1237
00:59:40,493 --> 00:59:43,053
Speaker 2: film your door at for security reasons, whatever you want

1238
00:59:43,053 --> 00:59:45,613
Speaker 2: to do in your own house, that's fine. But I

1239
00:59:45,653 --> 00:59:47,373
Speaker 2: was just saying before I would never set up my

1240
00:59:47,453 --> 00:59:50,293
Speaker 2: cameras so they film out onto the street. So this

1241
00:59:50,413 --> 00:59:52,533
Speaker 2: DM's come through to Matt Heathen's it on Instagram, and

1242
00:59:52,533 --> 00:59:54,293
Speaker 2: I've got to say, first things my thoughts.

1243
00:59:54,333 --> 00:59:56,813
Speaker 4: I'm just looking at it. Yeah, beautiful driveway.

1244
00:59:56,453 --> 00:59:59,413
Speaker 3: Okay, right, take on the good driveway, yep.

1245
00:59:59,453 --> 01:00:02,413
Speaker 2: And you've got your toddler playing on the driveway.

1246
01:00:02,533 --> 01:00:05,853
Speaker 4: Nice, that's fantastic. And look what a beautiful neighborhood you

1247
01:00:05,933 --> 01:00:06,133
Speaker 4: live in?

1248
01:00:06,733 --> 01:00:09,293
Speaker 2: How much into the street though of the street there, buddy,

1249
01:00:09,293 --> 01:00:10,773
Speaker 2: there's a lot of this out of the street you

1250
01:00:10,813 --> 01:00:12,453
Speaker 2: got a lot of the beautiful blue sky there. I

1251
01:00:12,453 --> 01:00:14,293
Speaker 2: think you could tilt that down and you could still

1252
01:00:14,333 --> 01:00:16,773
Speaker 2: all do your security that you need to do, and

1253
01:00:16,933 --> 01:00:19,053
Speaker 2: tilt it down. So you just get your mailbox, because

1254
01:00:19,093 --> 01:00:21,053
Speaker 2: what do you need. You're right across I'm seeing the

1255
01:00:21,053 --> 01:00:21,653
Speaker 2: neighbor's house.

1256
01:00:21,693 --> 01:00:22,213
Speaker 4: Beautiful.

1257
01:00:22,733 --> 01:00:25,213
Speaker 2: Is that a Japanese mab maple on the on the

1258
01:00:25,373 --> 01:00:27,293
Speaker 2: neighbour's back out I'm getting voyeuristic.

1259
01:00:27,893 --> 01:00:30,533
Speaker 3: I can't see folks. So while do we talk in

1260
01:00:30,573 --> 01:00:33,613
Speaker 3: percentage wise, he's got seventy percent street the neighbor and

1261
01:00:33,693 --> 01:00:34,933
Speaker 3: thirty percent his own property.

1262
01:00:35,173 --> 01:00:38,733
Speaker 4: Look, I'm not bespirching this fine man's reputation. I'm not

1263
01:00:38,773 --> 01:00:40,613
Speaker 4: accusing him of being a peeping tom or anything.

1264
01:00:40,813 --> 01:00:42,853
Speaker 26: But I'm just saying you could tilt that camera down

1265
01:00:42,853 --> 01:00:44,653
Speaker 26: a little bit. I mean, right now, I'm looking to

1266
01:00:44,693 --> 01:00:49,293
Speaker 26: this neighbor's house here. Okay, what are they doing there? Yeah,

1267
01:00:49,693 --> 01:00:51,293
Speaker 26: I'll tell you what. Those people could work on their

1268
01:00:51,693 --> 01:00:52,853
Speaker 26: nature strip a little bit there.

1269
01:00:53,053 --> 01:00:55,293
Speaker 3: Just see the live live stream. I think at this

1270
01:00:55,413 --> 01:00:56,293
Speaker 3: point he's enjoying this.

1271
01:00:56,493 --> 01:00:58,213
Speaker 4: I say, tilt that down a little bit. You're looking

1272
01:00:58,213 --> 01:00:59,133
Speaker 4: into the neighbor's property.

1273
01:00:59,213 --> 01:01:01,693
Speaker 9: Get able air go guys.

1274
01:01:02,053 --> 01:01:02,853
Speaker 8: Pay two things.

1275
01:01:03,373 --> 01:01:06,733
Speaker 5: Just with regards to Lynette's phone call about getting pring

1276
01:01:06,853 --> 01:01:09,293
Speaker 5: by the in the parking yard.

1277
01:01:09,413 --> 01:01:09,613
Speaker 3: Yep.

1278
01:01:11,293 --> 01:01:12,013
Speaker 9: It's a camera.

1279
01:01:12,333 --> 01:01:14,533
Speaker 5: It's a fixed camera that will take a photograph of

1280
01:01:14,573 --> 01:01:17,133
Speaker 5: your car as you drive in with a time stamp,

1281
01:01:17,413 --> 01:01:19,573
Speaker 5: and a photograph of your car as you drive out

1282
01:01:19,653 --> 01:01:22,213
Speaker 5: with a timestamp, and then the computers will work out

1283
01:01:22,613 --> 01:01:27,893
Speaker 5: if you've exceeded the predetermined time limit there For four minutes,

1284
01:01:27,973 --> 01:01:31,733
Speaker 5: though I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that's how

1285
01:01:31,773 --> 01:01:32,173
Speaker 5: it happened.

1286
01:01:32,213 --> 01:01:33,453
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.

1287
01:01:34,453 --> 01:01:36,373
Speaker 5: The four minutes is pretty miserable, to be fair.

1288
01:01:36,653 --> 01:01:39,373
Speaker 3: So if they just pulled up to the footpath side

1289
01:01:39,373 --> 01:01:41,333
Speaker 3: of it and didn't actually enter the car park, they

1290
01:01:41,373 --> 01:01:44,173
Speaker 3: would have been sweet most likely.

1291
01:01:44,253 --> 01:01:44,453
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1292
01:01:45,093 --> 01:01:46,813
Speaker 5: So as soon as you go in, it takes your

1293
01:01:46,813 --> 01:01:49,373
Speaker 5: photo and your number plate with a timestamp, and you

1294
01:01:49,413 --> 01:01:51,373
Speaker 5: go out, it takes a photo of the number plate

1295
01:01:51,413 --> 01:01:53,893
Speaker 5: and a timestamp, and the computers do the rest and

1296
01:01:53,933 --> 01:01:56,533
Speaker 5: then they'll just automatically fire the bill away. I've been

1297
01:01:56,573 --> 01:01:57,173
Speaker 5: hitting myself.

1298
01:01:57,373 --> 01:01:58,173
Speaker 4: What do you think, Blaire?

1299
01:01:58,293 --> 01:02:01,293
Speaker 2: I was talking before about those evil parking cars that

1300
01:02:01,453 --> 01:02:05,773
Speaker 2: just drive around peeing. Absolutely everyone, Are you on the

1301
01:02:05,813 --> 01:02:10,573
Speaker 2: same page as me? I believe that the councilor should

1302
01:02:10,573 --> 01:02:12,373
Speaker 2: have at least have to work for their tickets by

1303
01:02:12,373 --> 01:02:14,373
Speaker 2: sending someone out to walk the streets and give you

1304
01:02:14,413 --> 01:02:16,533
Speaker 2: a give you a give you a little chance to

1305
01:02:16,533 --> 01:02:17,173
Speaker 2: get away with it.

1306
01:02:18,533 --> 01:02:21,773
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely, that's a that's a cheating, it's a

1307
01:02:21,853 --> 01:02:25,613
Speaker 5: cheaps way of doing it. Yeah, pure pure revenue gather.

1308
01:02:27,133 --> 01:02:30,253
Speaker 3: Like fishing with dynamite. I mean, you're going to get everybody's.

1309
01:02:29,773 --> 01:02:31,933
Speaker 2: Training your citizens like enemies. That's what I don't like

1310
01:02:31,973 --> 01:02:35,013
Speaker 2: about it. We actually own the streets. Yeah, and look,

1311
01:02:35,053 --> 01:02:37,333
Speaker 2: maybe I get it, but.

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Speaker 3: You're trying to start a revolution here. You're exiting something.

1313
01:02:42,293 --> 01:02:43,533
Speaker 4: Parking finds are theft.

1314
01:02:43,693 --> 01:02:45,853
Speaker 3: Now, now, aside from parking, you did want to have

1315
01:02:46,253 --> 01:02:48,293
Speaker 3: make another point about CCTV on the street.

1316
01:02:49,733 --> 01:02:54,093
Speaker 5: Yes, I have security cameras at home, all of them outside,

1317
01:02:55,253 --> 01:02:57,773
Speaker 5: and one of them does look across the street because

1318
01:02:57,813 --> 01:03:00,293
Speaker 5: I park my trade vehicle out there, so it's full

1319
01:03:00,333 --> 01:03:03,813
Speaker 5: of tools and bits and pieces, and it's also looking

1320
01:03:03,813 --> 01:03:07,053
Speaker 5: over the campavan. But I do have the ability and

1321
01:03:07,093 --> 01:03:12,253
Speaker 5: I have privacy zones on it, so you can set

1322
01:03:12,333 --> 01:03:14,573
Speaker 5: up your privacy zone. So you're looking at the neighbors.

1323
01:03:14,333 --> 01:03:16,413
Speaker 27: Place and you just put a big black square over it.

1324
01:03:16,773 --> 01:03:19,333
Speaker 5: It doesn't even look at it. It just doesn't even

1325
01:03:19,333 --> 01:03:21,133
Speaker 5: look at it. So even if I if I look

1326
01:03:21,133 --> 01:03:24,533
Speaker 5: at it live, there's a big black square, I can't

1327
01:03:24,533 --> 01:03:26,413
Speaker 5: see into the into the neighbor's yard.

1328
01:03:26,773 --> 01:03:30,293
Speaker 2: See, you're an honorable person, Flare, because of course you

1329
01:03:30,373 --> 01:03:31,893
Speaker 2: need to look out over. I mean that I've got

1330
01:03:31,933 --> 01:03:34,053
Speaker 2: no problem at all with you looking out over. You've

1331
01:03:34,093 --> 01:03:36,333
Speaker 2: got your tools there there's a lot of money just

1332
01:03:36,333 --> 01:03:37,053
Speaker 2: sitting out there.

1333
01:03:37,373 --> 01:03:37,853
Speaker 4: I get that.

1334
01:03:37,973 --> 01:03:39,853
Speaker 2: And if you can do that, or isn't a way

1335
01:03:39,893 --> 01:03:41,293
Speaker 2: you could do that? But but I don't have a

1336
01:03:41,293 --> 01:03:41,733
Speaker 2: problem with that.

1337
01:03:43,053 --> 01:03:45,413
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, so that's it was the same brand as

1338
01:03:45,413 --> 01:03:48,053
Speaker 5: the other gentleman is talking about UFI. And you do

1339
01:03:48,173 --> 01:03:51,333
Speaker 5: have the ability to set up privacy zones, activity zones.

1340
01:03:51,813 --> 01:03:54,973
Speaker 5: You can detect by sounds, you can text detect human only,

1341
01:03:55,453 --> 01:03:58,133
Speaker 5: you can do all motions. You can have it report

1342
01:03:58,173 --> 01:04:03,413
Speaker 5: instantly or whenever. But yeah, because like you, Matt, I

1343
01:04:03,453 --> 01:04:05,733
Speaker 5: was kind of thinking, yeah, I mean this is great,

1344
01:04:05,733 --> 01:04:09,733
Speaker 5: but yeah, the for the pase for peace of mind

1345
01:04:09,733 --> 01:04:11,173
Speaker 5: of the neighbors more than anything else.

1346
01:04:11,253 --> 01:04:11,413
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1347
01:04:11,493 --> 01:04:13,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh you're.

1348
01:04:12,853 --> 01:04:16,173
Speaker 5: Clearly it's it's not the screet you can see it,

1349
01:04:16,253 --> 01:04:17,813
Speaker 5: so it exits a terrance as well.

1350
01:04:17,893 --> 01:04:18,053
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1351
01:04:18,133 --> 01:04:20,613
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we have actually we have actually been asked

1352
01:04:20,613 --> 01:04:25,173
Speaker 5: by neighbors in the street opposite to see if we

1353
01:04:25,213 --> 01:04:27,773
Speaker 5: could see something that went down near their place.

1354
01:04:28,133 --> 01:04:31,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't. Okay, Blair, thank you so much.

1355
01:04:31,293 --> 01:04:33,973
Speaker 2: We're talking about ccd footage. When does privately owned CCDV

1356
01:04:33,973 --> 01:04:36,933
Speaker 2: footage go too far? When does it become voyeuristic?

1357
01:04:37,093 --> 01:04:38,853
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1358
01:04:38,853 --> 01:04:40,173
Speaker 3: to call. It's twenty two to.

1359
01:04:40,133 --> 01:04:44,333
Speaker 1: Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of

1360
01:04:44,373 --> 01:04:48,253
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heathyl Adams. Afternoons you for

1361
01:04:48,373 --> 01:04:50,373
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. You've talked said, be.

1362
01:04:51,413 --> 01:04:55,413
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, and we are talking about CCTV footage

1363
01:04:55,853 --> 01:04:58,253
Speaker 3: on the back of a very in depth story about

1364
01:04:58,613 --> 01:05:00,853
Speaker 3: police who have been given the legal clearance to continue

1365
01:05:00,853 --> 01:05:04,413
Speaker 3: tapping into private cameras more than two hundred thousand times

1366
01:05:04,453 --> 01:05:06,333
Speaker 3: a year for evidence. But a heck of a lot

1367
01:05:06,333 --> 01:05:08,413
Speaker 3: of people out there have the home set up and

1368
01:05:08,573 --> 01:05:10,813
Speaker 3: you were pretty clear. I don't know if you've changed

1369
01:05:10,933 --> 01:05:13,053
Speaker 3: view now, but you were pretty anty the set up

1370
01:05:13,133 --> 01:05:14,253
Speaker 3: looking into the street.

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01:05:14,493 --> 01:05:16,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, four hundred thousand privately.

1372
01:05:16,293 --> 01:05:20,013
Speaker 2: I owned CCTV cameras in New Zealand right now active.

1373
01:05:20,493 --> 01:05:22,293
Speaker 2: I just think that you know, you've got to tilt

1374
01:05:22,333 --> 01:05:26,373
Speaker 2: it down so you're not filming into public spaces. That's

1375
01:05:26,373 --> 01:05:28,573
Speaker 2: that's what I believe. Definitely not into neighbor's yards, which

1376
01:05:28,573 --> 01:05:31,213
Speaker 2: I believe as illegal. But we had Blair before and

1377
01:05:31,293 --> 01:05:35,373
Speaker 2: he has technology in his camera where he blocks very honorably.

1378
01:05:35,733 --> 01:05:37,253
Speaker 2: He needs the angle to be able to see what

1379
01:05:37,293 --> 01:05:40,493
Speaker 2: he needs to see, but he can block out what's

1380
01:05:40,533 --> 01:05:41,173
Speaker 2: going on there.

1381
01:05:41,213 --> 01:05:41,853
Speaker 3: Would you do that?

1382
01:05:41,893 --> 01:05:42,373
Speaker 4: Truthfully?

1383
01:05:42,413 --> 01:05:44,333
Speaker 3: If you had the camera set up and yet got

1384
01:05:44,333 --> 01:05:46,653
Speaker 3: a little bit of the neighbor's front yard, would you

1385
01:05:46,693 --> 01:05:47,133
Speaker 3: block it out?

1386
01:05:47,213 --> 01:05:48,973
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course I would. I'm not looking into the

1387
01:05:49,013 --> 01:05:51,013
Speaker 4: neighbors yards with the camera. I'm not. What do you

1388
01:05:51,053 --> 01:05:53,533
Speaker 4: think I am some kind of peeping Tom Tyler.

1389
01:05:54,173 --> 01:05:57,213
Speaker 3: I don't care what's happening in the neigh Matthew, how

1390
01:05:57,333 --> 01:05:58,213
Speaker 3: are you making.

1391
01:05:59,613 --> 01:06:00,933
Speaker 8: The TV racings dropping?

1392
01:06:00,933 --> 01:06:02,933
Speaker 28: People are just going watching CCTV.

1393
01:06:04,933 --> 01:06:05,693
Speaker 3: It's a good watch.

1394
01:06:05,973 --> 01:06:07,693
Speaker 2: I do enjoy it because I've got the camera on

1395
01:06:07,733 --> 01:06:10,933
Speaker 2: my door and to enjoy watching your courier.

1396
01:06:11,893 --> 01:06:19,093
Speaker 28: It's that's just the next step in reality TV. What

1397
01:06:19,253 --> 01:06:23,533
Speaker 28: about AI? I mean the ability now to change imagery. Yeah,

1398
01:06:23,613 --> 01:06:26,173
Speaker 28: so we're we're in, We're in in the future of

1399
01:06:26,253 --> 01:06:29,213
Speaker 28: c c t V. What's the reliability of it anyway?

1400
01:06:29,493 --> 01:06:31,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good you know, you get you get,

1401
01:06:31,533 --> 01:06:33,733
Speaker 2: you get pinged on a parking you say that's a

1402
01:06:33,893 --> 01:06:36,973
Speaker 2: I of course. There was that Australian politician recently that

1403
01:06:37,053 --> 01:06:40,333
Speaker 2: said he was seen with some illicit substances and he said, no, no, no,

1404
01:06:40,373 --> 01:06:44,453
Speaker 2: that's a that was That was that was a I mean, yeah,

1405
01:06:44,453 --> 01:06:48,413
Speaker 2: we're going to start questioning absolutely every image pretty soon.

1406
01:06:50,333 --> 01:06:52,493
Speaker 28: So what's what's the future of c c TV for

1407
01:06:52,813 --> 01:06:54,653
Speaker 28: What's how cour is going to treat that in the

1408
01:06:54,653 --> 01:06:57,693
Speaker 28: future once there's a few cases of it going through.

1409
01:06:57,773 --> 01:07:00,333
Speaker 28: So how do you how do you ensure the anti

1410
01:07:00,493 --> 01:07:02,773
Speaker 28: any reliability and it's going to be credible.

1411
01:07:02,853 --> 01:07:04,933
Speaker 3: That certainly, you know, it can be doctored, no doubt

1412
01:07:04,933 --> 01:07:07,453
Speaker 3: about it. We're seeing that with AI technology. But because

1413
01:07:07,533 --> 01:07:10,653
Speaker 3: if it's if it's and most of these are private cameras,

1414
01:07:10,693 --> 01:07:13,373
Speaker 3: but if they are facing into the street and only

1415
01:07:13,453 --> 01:07:16,373
Speaker 3: police can access them apart from the business owners, does

1416
01:07:16,413 --> 01:07:19,533
Speaker 3: that give it more credibility that it is authorities checking

1417
01:07:19,573 --> 01:07:22,053
Speaker 3: into these these images rather than just the man on

1418
01:07:22,093 --> 01:07:24,053
Speaker 3: the street trying to doctor it like you see on

1419
01:07:24,093 --> 01:07:24,653
Speaker 3: social media.

1420
01:07:25,653 --> 01:07:28,133
Speaker 28: Well, I still think there's the ability to get into

1421
01:07:28,173 --> 01:07:31,293
Speaker 28: other people's computer systems and change things. I'm not talking

1422
01:07:31,333 --> 01:07:34,853
Speaker 28: for petty stuff, I'm talking for the larger things. So yeah,

1423
01:07:35,053 --> 01:07:39,093
Speaker 28: I mean the reality is mostly CTV footage, the things

1424
01:07:39,133 --> 01:07:41,373
Speaker 28: that it's picking up around the home. Cops aren't going

1425
01:07:41,413 --> 01:07:43,693
Speaker 28: to react, are going to do anything about it anyway.

1426
01:07:44,093 --> 01:07:47,013
Speaker 28: It's very minus. It's generally minors. Stuff that are picking

1427
01:07:47,093 --> 01:07:49,373
Speaker 28: up that we're probably going to pick up is you know,

1428
01:07:49,533 --> 01:07:52,773
Speaker 28: things like cars, cars being broken into. How how often

1429
01:07:52,813 --> 01:07:54,013
Speaker 28: are those actually acted upon?

1430
01:07:54,093 --> 01:07:59,253
Speaker 2: Anyway, it is an interesting thing with At the moment

1431
01:07:59,293 --> 01:08:02,053
Speaker 2: they've got the ability to detect that something's being tampered

1432
01:08:02,093 --> 01:08:06,333
Speaker 2: with using AI. But in the future, who knows how

1433
01:08:06,333 --> 01:08:08,333
Speaker 2: far that will go. I mean, you get an interesting

1434
01:08:08,373 --> 01:08:11,413
Speaker 2: situation in a house where I'm just this is a

1435
01:08:11,573 --> 01:08:14,853
Speaker 2: this is a made up situation. I'm just speculating here, right,

1436
01:08:14,893 --> 01:08:17,852
Speaker 2: So you've got cc footage in your house, you've committed

1437
01:08:17,853 --> 01:08:20,933
Speaker 2: a crime, you tune up to court and there's nothing

1438
01:08:20,933 --> 01:08:23,773
Speaker 2: happening in your house at all on the CCDV footage.

1439
01:08:24,173 --> 01:08:26,612
Speaker 2: But you know, you've you've you've docted that footage with

1440
01:08:26,612 --> 01:08:29,093
Speaker 2: with AI. You know, who knows, who knows what's going

1441
01:08:29,133 --> 01:08:31,493
Speaker 2: to happen in the future. It's it's it's a terrifying

1442
01:08:31,532 --> 01:08:33,732
Speaker 2: and exciting time coming up for humanity.

1443
01:08:33,933 --> 01:08:36,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point you raised by Matthew, and

1444
01:08:36,133 --> 01:08:37,412
Speaker 3: I don't have an answer to that. I mean that

1445
01:08:37,452 --> 01:08:39,892
Speaker 3: you know, we've been talking about that with video with audio,

1446
01:08:40,013 --> 01:08:41,852
Speaker 3: how do you prove it is the real person? If

1447
01:08:41,853 --> 01:08:45,412
Speaker 3: someone is caught on audio saying something that you know

1448
01:08:45,492 --> 01:08:48,013
Speaker 3: gets them into into trouble, something criminal. How do you

1449
01:08:48,053 --> 01:08:49,933
Speaker 3: approve that it's really them? Yeah, no, I don't. I

1450
01:08:49,973 --> 01:08:51,692
Speaker 3: don't know if there's an answer to that at the moment.

1451
01:08:52,652 --> 01:08:55,293
Speaker 28: I think there's cases already where people have been fooled

1452
01:08:55,333 --> 01:08:59,972
Speaker 28: into thinking their family members been kidnapped because they've used voice. Yeah,

1453
01:09:00,333 --> 01:09:02,612
Speaker 28: been able to capture their voice and then play it back,

1454
01:09:02,772 --> 01:09:05,732
Speaker 28: which changed it. So you know, I mean, it could

1455
01:09:05,772 --> 01:09:08,572
Speaker 28: get that good. It sounds like you guys actually on

1456
01:09:08,612 --> 01:09:09,492
Speaker 28: a decent radio show.

1457
01:09:09,572 --> 01:09:12,052
Speaker 4: You ever know, we're not actually here, This is actually

1458
01:09:12,093 --> 01:09:13,612
Speaker 4: a I metew We're at home.

1459
01:09:13,772 --> 01:09:15,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, we knocked off three hours.

1460
01:09:15,293 --> 01:09:18,132
Speaker 2: We've been at the pub for three hours.

1461
01:09:18,973 --> 01:09:20,933
Speaker 28: So I know that because I've got the footage.

1462
01:09:21,612 --> 01:09:24,652
Speaker 3: You're a good man than you do at it, Jeremy.

1463
01:09:24,692 --> 01:09:26,573
Speaker 3: You're a big fan of the CCTV.

1464
01:09:28,173 --> 01:09:31,053
Speaker 27: Yeah, that's absolutely on hundredercent. I'm running at probably a

1465
01:09:31,213 --> 01:09:35,052
Speaker 27: thirty seventy sort of based scenario at the moment, thirty

1466
01:09:35,053 --> 01:09:38,933
Speaker 27: percent my driveway and probably seventy percent street frontage in

1467
01:09:38,933 --> 01:09:39,293
Speaker 27: the film.

1468
01:09:39,372 --> 01:09:40,692
Speaker 3: Oh no, not like that.

1469
01:09:42,213 --> 01:09:45,932
Speaker 27: It's not going to like that. But these days were

1470
01:09:46,532 --> 01:09:49,852
Speaker 27: so two weeks ago couple of hudlum I'll call them

1471
01:09:49,933 --> 01:09:52,093
Speaker 27: because we're just getting drunk out of speech to walk

1472
01:09:52,133 --> 01:09:54,533
Speaker 27: down the road, meshed them a whole lot of cars,

1473
01:09:55,013 --> 01:09:58,253
Speaker 27: and I was able to provide that footage immediately through

1474
01:09:58,293 --> 01:10:01,572
Speaker 27: the police, who could identify the kids. I haven't even

1475
01:10:01,572 --> 01:10:04,053
Speaker 27: had audio, so I've got talking so I've got their names.

1476
01:10:04,612 --> 01:10:07,333
Speaker 27: So without this kind of technology, you know, people are

1477
01:10:07,412 --> 01:10:10,173
Speaker 27: constantly complying about polices and ability to be able to

1478
01:10:10,213 --> 01:10:12,612
Speaker 27: solve crimes and burglaries. End of the day, if there's

1479
01:10:12,652 --> 01:10:15,213
Speaker 27: no evidence, if there's nothing there, what can they do.

1480
01:10:16,412 --> 01:10:18,013
Speaker 27: So as long as you're not, like say, being a

1481
01:10:18,053 --> 01:10:21,173
Speaker 27: peeping tom, I have no issues with it whatsoever. And

1482
01:10:21,293 --> 01:10:23,452
Speaker 27: there's very few cameras that would be so good that

1483
01:10:23,452 --> 01:10:26,893
Speaker 27: I'd be able to see into the neighbor's study bedroom.

1484
01:10:26,933 --> 01:10:28,372
Speaker 4: So you can't see. Can you can?

1485
01:10:28,412 --> 01:10:32,372
Speaker 2: Can you see into anyone else's private property at all

1486
01:10:32,412 --> 01:10:33,693
Speaker 2: with your cameras Jimmy.

1487
01:10:34,973 --> 01:10:37,892
Speaker 27: Uh oh, yes, but not clearly.

1488
01:10:37,933 --> 01:10:39,293
Speaker 9: So you can see I can see.

1489
01:10:39,093 --> 01:10:42,732
Speaker 27: The neighbour's house from my CCTV, but it's not clear.

1490
01:10:44,293 --> 01:10:46,812
Speaker 4: Would you have a check Do you ever check that footage? Jeremy?

1491
01:10:46,893 --> 01:10:48,213
Speaker 4: Do you only check it if?

1492
01:10:49,213 --> 01:10:51,413
Speaker 2: Would you ever just have a bit of a geeze

1493
01:10:51,893 --> 01:10:54,253
Speaker 2: or do you only check it if there's a reason

1494
01:10:54,412 --> 01:10:55,013
Speaker 2: to look at that.

1495
01:10:56,492 --> 01:10:58,053
Speaker 27: No, only check it if there's a reason to look

1496
01:10:58,093 --> 01:10:59,612
Speaker 27: at that, and it's more of a I think someone

1497
01:10:59,612 --> 01:11:02,293
Speaker 27: wish or our whole crime prevention things. If people are

1498
01:11:02,333 --> 01:11:06,012
Speaker 27: coming past and they see CCTV footage, they're way likely

1499
01:11:06,213 --> 01:11:07,692
Speaker 27: way less want.

1500
01:11:07,572 --> 01:11:08,572
Speaker 4: To how do you field?

1501
01:11:08,572 --> 01:11:08,852
Speaker 22: Do you think?

1502
01:11:08,893 --> 01:11:10,412
Speaker 4: Do you think people people?

1503
01:11:10,692 --> 01:11:12,412
Speaker 2: It's an interesting thing, isn't it, because you could stand

1504
01:11:12,412 --> 01:11:14,253
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the audio there. For some reason, that

1505
01:11:14,293 --> 01:11:17,293
Speaker 2: makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable that that you're

1506
01:11:17,492 --> 01:11:19,013
Speaker 2: you know, people are walking down your street having a

1507
01:11:19,053 --> 01:11:19,972
Speaker 2: little bit of a discussion.

1508
01:11:20,013 --> 01:11:24,013
Speaker 4: It's outside of your property and you're recording it.

1509
01:11:24,053 --> 01:11:26,692
Speaker 2: Does that Do you think there's a sort of a

1510
01:11:26,812 --> 01:11:28,773
Speaker 2: moral gray area there, Jeremy.

1511
01:11:29,973 --> 01:11:31,852
Speaker 27: No, I'm a place. It's no different to having a

1512
01:11:31,853 --> 01:11:34,852
Speaker 27: conversation on the beach and overhearing someone next to you.

1513
01:11:34,933 --> 01:11:36,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point answer. You can just be

1514
01:11:36,572 --> 01:11:38,692
Speaker 2: standing in your backyard just listening to them.

1515
01:11:38,893 --> 01:11:39,493
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1516
01:11:39,532 --> 01:11:42,652
Speaker 3: But also, the more I think about this, I'm worried

1517
01:11:42,692 --> 01:11:44,492
Speaker 3: about your neighbors, Matt. What do you think you're going

1518
01:11:44,532 --> 01:11:46,692
Speaker 3: to see in their front yard? That you're so scared about.

1519
01:11:46,732 --> 01:11:48,572
Speaker 3: I mean, what are they doing in the front yard.

1520
01:11:48,612 --> 01:11:51,173
Speaker 3: I mean most people are very innocent. There might be

1521
01:11:51,213 --> 01:11:53,652
Speaker 3: a trampoline there. You know, nothing's going on in the yard.

1522
01:11:54,053 --> 01:11:57,372
Speaker 4: Look, there's an amorous couple that lived near me. That's

1523
01:11:57,372 --> 01:11:58,612
Speaker 4: not my business what they get up to.

1524
01:12:00,572 --> 01:12:02,253
Speaker 27: It's just a matter of time though, before they come

1525
01:12:02,293 --> 01:12:04,932
Speaker 27: out come knocking and like do you have CCTV pots

1526
01:12:04,933 --> 01:12:07,372
Speaker 27: because their house has just been broken into more something

1527
01:12:07,412 --> 01:12:10,093
Speaker 27: along those lines. You know you can renchister, you can.

1528
01:12:10,173 --> 01:12:11,612
Speaker 27: I think that as you can reach it. You've got

1529
01:12:11,652 --> 01:12:15,612
Speaker 27: CCTV footage. So it's just as essential for crime prevention

1530
01:12:15,812 --> 01:12:17,652
Speaker 27: es central for police being able to do for their job,

1531
01:12:18,893 --> 01:12:21,213
Speaker 27: and we're just going to have to rely on people

1532
01:12:21,293 --> 01:12:24,692
Speaker 27: not being creeps. There is a aif thing you talked

1533
01:12:24,692 --> 01:12:27,652
Speaker 27: about before, But they's easy to cooperate and associated with.

1534
01:12:27,772 --> 01:12:29,853
Speaker 27: You know, if you've got one lot of CCTV footage,

1535
01:12:30,053 --> 01:12:32,853
Speaker 27: you can cooperate it with a second lot of CCTV footage.

1536
01:12:33,812 --> 01:12:36,372
Speaker 27: In terms of going, it's in terms of legitimacy. So

1537
01:12:36,372 --> 01:12:39,132
Speaker 27: if you got two different sources and two different people

1538
01:12:39,173 --> 01:12:42,532
Speaker 27: cooperating at the same people for example, there's always ways

1539
01:12:42,532 --> 01:12:43,452
Speaker 27: around that kind of stuff.

1540
01:12:43,652 --> 01:12:44,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, good call.

1541
01:12:45,333 --> 01:12:47,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean just look at the rules. You

1542
01:12:47,652 --> 01:12:51,493
Speaker 2: can record anything on your private property, with some exceptions.

1543
01:12:51,532 --> 01:12:53,372
Speaker 2: If you're a landlord who is renting the property, you

1544
01:12:53,452 --> 01:12:57,213
Speaker 2: must disclose and receive consent if you're using CCD DV

1545
01:12:57,333 --> 01:13:00,492
Speaker 2: and cannot do so where individuals would expect reasonable privacy

1546
01:13:00,853 --> 01:13:04,132
Speaker 2: bedrooms and bathrooms. But I'm pretty sure you're not allowed

1547
01:13:04,133 --> 01:13:06,052
Speaker 2: to film into someone else's property.

1548
01:13:06,293 --> 01:13:08,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, but even if there was some you know, kind

1549
01:13:08,572 --> 01:13:10,612
Speaker 3: of strange behavior going on. You know, you've got you've

1550
01:13:10,612 --> 01:13:13,293
Speaker 3: got Treeve next door who enjoys to mow the lawns

1551
01:13:13,372 --> 01:13:16,052
Speaker 3: al natural. I mean, I'm pretty sure that's a legal

1552
01:13:16,053 --> 01:13:17,933
Speaker 3: in the first place, that you can't you know, you

1553
01:13:17,973 --> 01:13:18,692
Speaker 3: can't be doing that.

1554
01:13:18,772 --> 01:13:20,293
Speaker 4: You can be nude in your own property, not if

1555
01:13:20,293 --> 01:13:20,932
Speaker 4: other people.

1556
01:13:20,732 --> 01:13:21,293
Speaker 3: Can see you.

1557
01:13:21,293 --> 01:13:21,652
Speaker 29: Why not.

1558
01:13:22,093 --> 01:13:23,932
Speaker 3: They could be kids walking down the street or something

1559
01:13:24,013 --> 01:13:25,212
Speaker 3: and old Treev's got his old.

1560
01:13:25,013 --> 01:13:27,253
Speaker 4: Fella out, Well just look away.

1561
01:13:28,732 --> 01:13:30,772
Speaker 2: But alsothing it get gets kind of confusing, isn't it,

1562
01:13:30,772 --> 01:13:33,852
Speaker 2: Because someone could just be filming a little video of

1563
01:13:34,173 --> 01:13:37,173
Speaker 2: you know, someone having fun on the street and film

1564
01:13:37,213 --> 01:13:39,452
Speaker 2: the neighbors property on their phone. I mean, obviously that's

1565
01:13:39,492 --> 01:13:42,692
Speaker 2: gonna happen. So it gets pretty odd if just because

1566
01:13:42,692 --> 01:13:45,093
Speaker 2: it's fixed to a wall you can't film. But you

1567
01:13:45,133 --> 01:13:48,452
Speaker 2: know you're not going to be arrested for filming a

1568
01:13:48,492 --> 01:13:51,412
Speaker 2: little video of you of your girlfriend walking down the street,

1569
01:13:51,412 --> 01:13:52,653
Speaker 2: are you yeah?

1570
01:13:52,692 --> 01:13:57,532
Speaker 3: It's Gray area area, super gray. You've had an incident

1571
01:13:57,532 --> 01:13:59,213
Speaker 3: that you caught on your CCTV.

1572
01:14:00,853 --> 01:14:05,692
Speaker 30: Well, I'm sorting to Tyler and so before I talked

1573
01:14:05,692 --> 01:14:09,572
Speaker 30: about a case in Wellington where guy a guy had

1574
01:14:09,572 --> 01:14:12,932
Speaker 30: broken into his neighbor's house and he was CCS TV

1575
01:14:13,053 --> 01:14:16,572
Speaker 30: set up in the house and then he performed an

1576
01:14:16,612 --> 01:14:19,852
Speaker 30: indecent act and it was going through the court system,

1577
01:14:19,933 --> 01:14:23,133
Speaker 30: and his lawyer argues that because no one was in

1578
01:14:23,213 --> 01:14:26,893
Speaker 30: the house when the act happened, no one could be offended,

1579
01:14:26,933 --> 01:14:30,093
Speaker 30: so therefore he couldn't be charged with an offensive act.

1580
01:14:30,333 --> 01:14:31,893
Speaker 4: Hang on, can I just go back, go back a

1581
01:14:31,933 --> 01:14:36,052
Speaker 4: little step there? So he's in someone else's house.

1582
01:14:38,133 --> 01:14:41,652
Speaker 30: Yeah, he broke into his neighbor's house and then he

1583
01:14:41,732 --> 01:14:43,492
Speaker 30: performed an indecent date.

1584
01:14:44,812 --> 01:14:47,492
Speaker 3: Story. We heard this remark, do you do you know Mark?

1585
01:14:48,293 --> 01:14:48,772
Speaker 8: No?

1586
01:14:48,772 --> 01:14:50,372
Speaker 30: No, I just read it in the paper.

1587
01:14:50,452 --> 01:14:53,253
Speaker 2: There's a rising tide of people going into houses and

1588
01:14:53,333 --> 01:14:54,692
Speaker 2: performing indecent acts on them.

1589
01:14:54,933 --> 01:14:57,293
Speaker 3: So he didn't get charged for that. Did you say?

1590
01:14:57,093 --> 01:14:59,732
Speaker 30: He got charge of breaking entering, but he couldn't be

1591
01:14:59,893 --> 01:15:02,852
Speaker 30: charged with performing an indecent act because it would not

1592
01:15:02,973 --> 01:15:05,452
Speaker 30: cause offense to anyone because there was no one.

1593
01:15:05,772 --> 01:15:08,333
Speaker 2: I feel like, I feel like, if I got high

1594
01:15:08,532 --> 01:15:10,532
Speaker 2: and someone's just broken into my house, that's one thing.

1595
01:15:10,532 --> 01:15:14,493
Speaker 2: If they've stolen something, that's another thing. If they've smirched

1596
01:15:14,612 --> 01:15:18,492
Speaker 2: the house, then I think, I think that's I think

1597
01:15:18,532 --> 01:15:21,333
Speaker 2: that's I think there should be an extraor layer of

1598
01:15:21,452 --> 01:15:23,893
Speaker 2: disgustingness added to the top of that, on top of

1599
01:15:23,933 --> 01:15:25,293
Speaker 2: the breaking regular entry.

1600
01:15:26,133 --> 01:15:31,932
Speaker 30: We actually have CCTV footage atter business. We got stuff

1601
01:15:32,053 --> 01:15:35,372
Speaker 30: doll into the train of about a thousand dollars and

1602
01:15:35,652 --> 01:15:38,852
Speaker 30: we managed, I managed to actually track these people down

1603
01:15:39,293 --> 01:15:43,293
Speaker 30: and basically that the cops said, well, you could take

1604
01:15:43,333 --> 01:15:45,213
Speaker 30: it through the court system. Not much is going to

1605
01:15:45,253 --> 01:15:46,973
Speaker 30: have and the best you can do is actually just

1606
01:15:47,253 --> 01:15:50,732
Speaker 30: give them the truce past. Notice, we got some of

1607
01:15:50,772 --> 01:15:53,452
Speaker 30: the stuff back, but it was only because of the

1608
01:15:53,652 --> 01:15:56,333
Speaker 30: power of social media that we found out who it was.

1609
01:15:56,732 --> 01:15:58,372
Speaker 4: And so did you have to go and confront them

1610
01:15:58,412 --> 01:16:00,492
Speaker 4: yourself without the police.

1611
01:16:01,093 --> 01:16:01,812
Speaker 28: Not at no.

1612
01:16:02,013 --> 01:16:04,412
Speaker 30: But I did initially get told I would have to

1613
01:16:04,452 --> 01:16:08,412
Speaker 30: do that, but I got a different operator on the

1614
01:16:08,452 --> 01:16:10,052
Speaker 30: phone and she said no, no, no, no, no.

1615
01:16:09,973 --> 01:16:11,013
Speaker 27: We wouldn't make you do that.

1616
01:16:11,173 --> 01:16:12,333
Speaker 4: I said, well, you're not batman.

1617
01:16:12,372 --> 01:16:14,572
Speaker 30: Why I was told initially that I would have to

1618
01:16:14,572 --> 01:16:16,772
Speaker 30: go and three stars these people myself.

1619
01:16:16,812 --> 01:16:17,013
Speaker 16: You know.

1620
01:16:17,492 --> 01:16:19,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there in lies the problem, you know. Thank

1621
01:16:19,973 --> 01:16:22,412
Speaker 3: you very much, Lou And a lot of people who

1622
01:16:22,412 --> 01:16:24,333
Speaker 3: have this footage provide it to the police. Not all

1623
01:16:24,372 --> 01:16:26,812
Speaker 3: the time. Sometimes is very successful outcomes, and we know

1624
01:16:26,893 --> 01:16:28,532
Speaker 3: police have got a lot on their plate at the moment.

1625
01:16:28,812 --> 01:16:31,452
Speaker 3: But if it is a low level offense, someone who

1626
01:16:31,492 --> 01:16:33,133
Speaker 3: was trying to break into a guard didn't make it,

1627
01:16:33,293 --> 01:16:35,772
Speaker 3: or you know, mowing the lawns of the news, there's

1628
01:16:35,772 --> 01:16:37,612
Speaker 3: not a lot that the police will do in that situation.

1629
01:16:38,333 --> 01:16:40,013
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for the police when they supplied the

1630
01:16:40,013 --> 01:16:42,133
Speaker 2: footage of the guy that's broken into the house and

1631
01:16:42,293 --> 01:16:44,013
Speaker 2: is ransacking his own dignity in there.

1632
01:16:44,213 --> 01:16:47,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, minimum ten years.

1633
01:16:46,772 --> 01:16:49,852
Speaker 2: Get up for your job and that's what you get

1634
01:16:50,173 --> 01:16:50,692
Speaker 2: served up.

1635
01:16:50,812 --> 01:16:55,652
Speaker 3: Yeah. That it's the number to cool. Nine two nine

1636
01:16:55,732 --> 01:16:57,732
Speaker 3: two is the text number. It is seven to.

1637
01:16:57,652 --> 01:17:00,812
Speaker 1: Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of

1638
01:17:00,853 --> 01:17:04,412
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

1639
01:17:04,452 --> 01:17:06,892
Speaker 1: You for twenty twenty four you've talk said.

1640
01:17:06,692 --> 01:17:09,293
Speaker 3: Be Charma thinks, so much for hanging on. We've got

1641
01:17:09,293 --> 01:17:10,892
Speaker 3: about ninety seconds you go for it.

1642
01:17:13,372 --> 01:17:15,933
Speaker 23: I parked in a shopping mall car park in Grassurch

1643
01:17:16,372 --> 01:17:20,412
Speaker 23: at seven thirty them am sorry yep, and had a

1644
01:17:20,452 --> 01:17:24,452
Speaker 23: meeting the actual nine o'clock nine am, left the car park,

1645
01:17:24,572 --> 01:17:29,053
Speaker 23: went elsewhere, came back about from thirty and parked the

1646
01:17:29,093 --> 01:17:30,612
Speaker 23: car in the car park again.

1647
01:17:31,293 --> 01:17:32,333
Speaker 18: A couple of monks.

1648
01:17:32,093 --> 01:17:37,093
Speaker 21: Later, they got a fine from Wilson Parking to national scumbags, yep,

1649
01:17:37,452 --> 01:17:41,052
Speaker 21: I had my parking limit for the car park, and

1650
01:17:41,133 --> 01:17:44,053
Speaker 21: I subsequently wrote them milizad to indicate that I had

1651
01:17:44,133 --> 01:17:47,492
Speaker 21: left the car park, and the cameras actually said that

1652
01:17:47,572 --> 01:17:50,532
Speaker 21: I had been parked here the whole time, and I said, well,

1653
01:17:50,933 --> 01:17:53,812
Speaker 21: see me the images of the car being parked here

1654
01:17:53,812 --> 01:17:56,133
Speaker 21: at the entire time with Dayton timestamp.

1655
01:17:56,772 --> 01:17:58,293
Speaker 18: And then they reversed the fine.

1656
01:17:58,532 --> 01:18:01,572
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that went for the good people.

1657
01:18:01,612 --> 01:18:06,412
Speaker 4: Went back for the good guy. Yeah yeah, thinks yeah.

1658
01:18:06,053 --> 01:18:07,932
Speaker 21: How many people that paid those tickets?

1659
01:18:08,532 --> 01:18:11,213
Speaker 3: You've got to fight, fight fight, Yeah, well they start

1660
01:18:11,293 --> 01:18:13,012
Speaker 3: they start getting a bit heavy if you don't pay,

1661
01:18:13,013 --> 01:18:14,933
Speaker 3: don't they then they start going down the route of

1662
01:18:14,973 --> 01:18:16,892
Speaker 3: we're going to call Bakorp and your life's going to end.

1663
01:18:16,933 --> 01:18:19,172
Speaker 3: So good on you for fighting Backshama World done.

1664
01:18:19,013 --> 01:18:21,813
Speaker 4: Even if it's just to utilize their resources.

1665
01:18:21,973 --> 01:18:25,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely right. That is where we'll leave it. We'll

1666
01:18:25,173 --> 01:18:26,852
Speaker 3: switch the cameras off because we're going to have a

1667
01:18:26,933 --> 01:18:29,492
Speaker 3: chat about GPS after three o'clock.

1668
01:18:29,612 --> 01:18:31,892
Speaker 2: We're gonna switch the cameras off because we're going to No, no,

1669
01:18:31,893 --> 01:18:33,932
Speaker 2: I won't make that go I like, I won't go there.

1670
01:18:34,652 --> 01:18:36,892
Speaker 3: You just think on that one, Matte. Oh, eight hundred

1671
01:18:36,933 --> 01:18:39,293
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

1672
01:18:39,452 --> 01:18:40,733
Speaker 3: is three to three.

1673
01:18:42,253 --> 01:18:46,293
Speaker 1: Your new home for instateful and Entertaining talk. It's Matt

1674
01:18:46,333 --> 01:18:50,372
Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk Sevvy.

1675
01:18:51,692 --> 01:18:55,053
Speaker 3: Well, hello, hope you're doing well on this Thursday afternoon,

1676
01:18:55,093 --> 01:18:59,093
Speaker 3: and great discussion about CCTV cameras. And just before we

1677
01:18:59,213 --> 01:19:02,732
Speaker 3: change tack and talk about GPS, a text here from

1678
01:19:02,732 --> 01:19:05,412
Speaker 3: a detective and I'll read it out. Get a lads,

1679
01:19:05,412 --> 01:19:07,293
Speaker 3: there is a detective. I can tell you that the

1680
01:19:07,333 --> 01:19:10,412
Speaker 3: private CCTV from a house that views out onto the

1681
01:19:10,452 --> 01:19:13,812
Speaker 3: road is very valuable in solving crime. We very much

1682
01:19:13,893 --> 01:19:17,573
Speaker 3: appreciate members of the public who have high resolution CCTV

1683
01:19:17,692 --> 01:19:20,612
Speaker 3: at their homes and provide it to police for investigations.

1684
01:19:20,652 --> 01:19:25,092
Speaker 3: It has helped solve many serious crimes. Note any sensitive

1685
01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:28,853
Speaker 3: things like registrations people not relevant to investigations are redacted

1686
01:19:28,893 --> 01:19:32,532
Speaker 3: before being disclosed. Thanks very much. Great show. So there

1687
01:19:32,532 --> 01:19:34,652
Speaker 3: you go. I mean it is very helpful to the police.

1688
01:19:34,692 --> 01:19:37,932
Speaker 3: That's coming from a detective that they utilize that private

1689
01:19:37,973 --> 01:19:40,652
Speaker 3: CCTV too solve crimes. It's a good thing.

1690
01:19:40,772 --> 01:19:43,892
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, okay, Well, just don't set it up so

1691
01:19:43,973 --> 01:19:45,692
Speaker 2: you're looking through the bathroom window of your neighbor.

1692
01:19:46,213 --> 01:19:47,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

1693
01:19:47,213 --> 01:19:49,732
Speaker 3: Good advice. Right, let's have a chat about GPS and

1694
01:19:49,772 --> 01:19:51,972
Speaker 3: how much they charge. As many of us know, there

1695
01:19:52,013 --> 01:19:54,293
Speaker 3: can be a huge difference in the cost of a

1696
01:19:54,333 --> 01:19:57,372
Speaker 3: GP appointment across the country and even across the street.

1697
01:19:57,412 --> 01:20:02,013
Speaker 3: A typical GP appointment at Ponsonbe Medical Center in an

1698
01:20:02,093 --> 01:20:05,732
Speaker 3: upmarket inner city in a city area of Auckland cost

1699
01:20:05,853 --> 01:20:08,772
Speaker 3: ninety dollars, according to Healthpoint, a website that it provides

1700
01:20:08,853 --> 01:20:11,612
Speaker 3: up to date information on New Zealand's thousands of health

1701
01:20:11,692 --> 01:20:15,772
Speaker 3: practitioners across the road. In that very same Auckland suburb.

1702
01:20:15,933 --> 01:20:20,213
Speaker 3: An appointment for an enrolled patient at All Family Medical

1703
01:20:20,253 --> 01:20:24,213
Speaker 3: Center cost just twenty nine dollars. So there is a

1704
01:20:24,213 --> 01:20:26,852
Speaker 3: bit of a jumble of different numbers across the board.

1705
01:20:26,853 --> 01:20:29,293
Speaker 3: And that's just one suburb. So two clinics on the

1706
01:20:29,293 --> 01:20:32,173
Speaker 3: same street, opposite each other, one charge is ninety bucks,

1707
01:20:32,253 --> 01:20:35,412
Speaker 3: the other charge is twenty nine dollars. What gives I mean,

1708
01:20:35,452 --> 01:20:38,092
Speaker 3: it is a big difference that depending on what GP

1709
01:20:38,253 --> 01:20:41,492
Speaker 3: you go to and how much you are charged to

1710
01:20:41,572 --> 01:20:42,652
Speaker 3: go and have a visit.

1711
01:20:42,893 --> 01:20:43,852
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's wrong with that?

1712
01:20:44,652 --> 01:20:46,173
Speaker 3: You think it's market forces, don't you?

1713
01:20:46,333 --> 01:20:48,293
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, exactly like you.

1714
01:20:49,333 --> 01:20:51,293
Speaker 2: If you're a GP, you're running a business and you've

1715
01:20:51,652 --> 01:20:53,652
Speaker 2: spent all the time to train to become a doctor.

1716
01:20:53,772 --> 01:20:57,052
Speaker 2: You've you've probably spent a lot of your own money

1717
01:20:57,452 --> 01:20:59,293
Speaker 2: to pay for the education.

1718
01:20:59,853 --> 01:21:01,853
Speaker 4: You might have a student loan.

1719
01:21:01,692 --> 01:21:05,612
Speaker 2: You've got expenses you've got to pay, and you want

1720
01:21:05,652 --> 01:21:08,333
Speaker 2: to make money. So it's just like any other busines.

1721
01:21:08,933 --> 01:21:12,133
Speaker 2: So you charge what you can charge and if you're

1722
01:21:12,532 --> 01:21:14,972
Speaker 2: if you're full. And I tell you what in Auckland,

1723
01:21:14,973 --> 01:21:16,772
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm trying to get into my GP at

1724
01:21:16,772 --> 01:21:19,532
Speaker 2: the moment, the next available appointments two and a half

1725
01:21:19,572 --> 01:21:20,052
Speaker 2: weeks away.

1726
01:21:20,173 --> 01:21:22,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that is a bigger issue at

1727
01:21:22,612 --> 01:21:23,973
Speaker 3: the moment is trying to get in to see the

1728
01:21:24,013 --> 01:21:26,692
Speaker 3: GP in the first place. Burg wait time. Certainly was

1729
01:21:26,732 --> 01:21:28,532
Speaker 3: it my GP down in christ huge, I don't have

1730
01:21:28,572 --> 01:21:29,812
Speaker 3: one up here in Auckland yet.

1731
01:21:29,933 --> 01:21:31,732
Speaker 4: Well, don't sign up to mine and they won't take it.

1732
01:21:31,772 --> 01:21:32,772
Speaker 3: How much do they charge?

1733
01:21:32,853 --> 01:21:35,692
Speaker 4: I've got no idea ninety bucks I over got in

1734
01:21:35,853 --> 01:21:37,372
Speaker 4: yet for a while I got it. I think it

1735
01:21:37,372 --> 01:21:39,452
Speaker 4: would be about ninety bucks at mine.

1736
01:21:39,853 --> 01:21:43,293
Speaker 3: But just be consistent across the board. I get. I'm

1737
01:21:43,293 --> 01:21:46,492
Speaker 3: with you that this is certainly not an anti GP discussion.

1738
01:21:46,532 --> 01:21:50,293
Speaker 3: They do great work, and they train for many, many years,

1739
01:21:50,293 --> 01:21:52,173
Speaker 3: and they set up their own businesses. They should be

1740
01:21:52,213 --> 01:21:55,452
Speaker 3: able to get a good salary for that position. But

1741
01:21:55,572 --> 01:21:59,133
Speaker 3: I think having a greater subsidy at the primary care

1742
01:21:59,213 --> 01:22:02,012
Speaker 3: level makes more sense to me that we've got to divert.

1743
01:22:02,213 --> 01:22:04,372
Speaker 3: And yeah, I get people are going to say, where's

1744
01:22:04,372 --> 01:22:05,972
Speaker 3: the money going to come from, Tyler, We've got none.

1745
01:22:05,973 --> 01:22:08,452
Speaker 3: I get that, But I think more investment at a

1746
01:22:08,492 --> 01:22:11,612
Speaker 3: primary care level would pay off in the long run,

1747
01:22:11,853 --> 01:22:14,852
Speaker 3: rather than having so many people turn up to A

1748
01:22:14,933 --> 01:22:18,213
Speaker 3: and E trying to get in for free rather than

1749
01:22:18,253 --> 01:22:20,852
Speaker 3: going to see the GP, because sometimes those people can't

1750
01:22:20,893 --> 01:22:22,173
Speaker 3: afford that fifty bucks.

1751
01:22:22,492 --> 01:22:26,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, okay, but if we're going to

1752
01:22:26,652 --> 01:22:29,133
Speaker 2: subsidize more subur days and we don't have any money

1753
01:22:29,173 --> 01:22:30,012
Speaker 2: for that, as you just said.

1754
01:22:30,013 --> 01:22:31,852
Speaker 4: But also the other thing is.

1755
01:22:31,933 --> 01:22:33,532
Speaker 2: A lot of people go to the GP, a lot

1756
01:22:33,572 --> 01:22:35,772
Speaker 2: that don't need to go to the GP. I personally

1757
01:22:35,772 --> 01:22:37,492
Speaker 2: believe that men need to go to the GP more.

1758
01:22:37,692 --> 01:22:41,173
Speaker 2: And that's a big push at the moment because dudes

1759
01:22:41,173 --> 01:22:44,093
Speaker 2: will let a rash become a major issue before they

1760
01:22:44,213 --> 01:22:44,652
Speaker 2: go and get it.

1761
01:22:44,652 --> 01:22:46,133
Speaker 3: The sounds like personal experience, is it.

1762
01:22:46,213 --> 01:22:47,852
Speaker 2: Well, actually, right now, I'm under a lot of pressure

1763
01:22:47,853 --> 01:22:49,852
Speaker 2: at home to go to see the doctor and I'm

1764
01:22:49,853 --> 01:22:52,053
Speaker 2: trying not to because I just think that it's a

1765
01:22:52,213 --> 01:22:54,612
Speaker 2: digestive issue that will pass. Not wanting to give too

1766
01:22:54,652 --> 01:22:59,772
Speaker 2: many details there, but you can have these hypochondriacs out there.

1767
01:22:59,812 --> 01:23:02,532
Speaker 2: So we're going to subsidize every single visit to the doctor.

1768
01:23:02,973 --> 01:23:04,372
Speaker 4: I mean, in the perfect world.

1769
01:23:04,253 --> 01:23:07,133
Speaker 2: It would be supply and demand and a really, really

1770
01:23:07,173 --> 01:23:10,173
Speaker 2: really good doctor would be able to charge more, people

1771
01:23:10,173 --> 01:23:14,452
Speaker 2: would become loyal to them, and you know, there be

1772
01:23:14,492 --> 01:23:17,293
Speaker 2: there would be cheaper options out there, But I don't

1773
01:23:17,293 --> 01:23:20,532
Speaker 2: think you can run a situation where you force you

1774
01:23:20,692 --> 01:23:23,093
Speaker 2: force them all to charge the exact same amount.

1775
01:23:23,372 --> 01:23:25,492
Speaker 3: From a memory, I paid about fifty bucks in christ

1776
01:23:25,652 --> 01:23:27,732
Speaker 3: Us to go see a doctor. I didn't have a

1777
01:23:27,772 --> 01:23:30,053
Speaker 3: family doctor, I had a clinic, and whatever doctor was

1778
01:23:30,093 --> 01:23:32,173
Speaker 3: available I went to go see and that was fine.

1779
01:23:32,213 --> 01:23:35,213
Speaker 3: But I agree with you on on men in particular

1780
01:23:35,333 --> 01:23:38,173
Speaker 3: don't go to see the GP as much as they

1781
01:23:38,213 --> 01:23:38,972
Speaker 3: probably should.

1782
01:23:39,133 --> 01:23:41,333
Speaker 2: And I think that for most men that's not a

1783
01:23:41,333 --> 01:23:44,133
Speaker 2: price issue. I think that's just you're busy, you don't

1784
01:23:44,133 --> 01:23:46,293
Speaker 2: want to make a fuss. There's a lot of reasons

1785
01:23:46,293 --> 01:23:49,173
Speaker 2: why we don't go and we should, definitely, we should,

1786
01:23:49,173 --> 01:23:53,772
Speaker 2: definitely women, And it's statistically showing that women are much

1787
01:23:53,812 --> 01:23:56,293
Speaker 2: better at going to the doctor with their health problems.

1788
01:23:56,293 --> 01:23:58,213
Speaker 2: That's why they find it so frustrating when their partners

1789
01:23:58,253 --> 01:24:00,652
Speaker 2: won't won't go. But I don't think that's a that's

1790
01:24:00,893 --> 01:24:02,732
Speaker 2: It's definitely not a cost issue for me. It's a

1791
01:24:03,173 --> 01:24:05,572
Speaker 2: can't be bothered, don't want to make a fuss, assume

1792
01:24:05,612 --> 01:24:08,293
Speaker 2: in my head that I don't want to know. It's

1793
01:24:08,333 --> 01:24:09,652
Speaker 2: It's a really weird thing, isn't it, Because you go

1794
01:24:09,652 --> 01:24:11,412
Speaker 2: to the doctor and they say that there's nothing wrong,

1795
01:24:11,452 --> 01:24:13,133
Speaker 2: and you feel like you've wasted their time and you

1796
01:24:13,173 --> 01:24:15,133
Speaker 2: feel a little bit embarrassed. But that actually should be

1797
01:24:15,133 --> 01:24:17,013
Speaker 2: the positive outcome. You go to the doctor and they

1798
01:24:17,013 --> 01:24:18,772
Speaker 2: say it's not a big deal. You should actually be happy,

1799
01:24:18,973 --> 01:24:21,972
Speaker 2: but we kind of worry that we're making a fuss unduly.

1800
01:24:22,253 --> 01:24:22,532
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1801
01:24:22,652 --> 01:24:24,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the last time I went to the doctor,

1802
01:24:24,652 --> 01:24:26,972
Speaker 3: and I mentioned this briefly a couple of days ago,

1803
01:24:27,053 --> 01:24:29,972
Speaker 3: that I had some issues with blood pressure right, and

1804
01:24:30,053 --> 01:24:33,692
Speaker 3: that got picked up by a trainer I was doing

1805
01:24:33,692 --> 01:24:35,253
Speaker 3: some training at the German had to go check my

1806
01:24:35,253 --> 01:24:37,812
Speaker 3: blood pressure, got picked up and said, ooh, that might

1807
01:24:37,853 --> 01:24:39,972
Speaker 3: be a bit of a problem. Then when I finally

1808
01:24:39,973 --> 01:24:43,133
Speaker 3: got to the GP eventually, same thing happened. They said,

1809
01:24:43,213 --> 01:24:45,732
Speaker 3: don't worry about that, it's all good. You're in the

1810
01:24:45,772 --> 01:24:48,892
Speaker 3: safe zone. Just eat a bit better, exercise more, and

1811
01:24:48,893 --> 01:24:53,092
Speaker 3: you'll be all right. Fifty bucks later, Yeah, well, fifty

1812
01:24:53,093 --> 01:24:55,452
Speaker 3: bucks doesn't seem a lot to go to a doctor

1813
01:24:55,492 --> 01:24:59,492
Speaker 3: to me. Fifty bucks ago, and they're a professional. They're

1814
01:24:59,492 --> 01:25:05,133
Speaker 3: a person that agua believe the upper ischelon of professionals,

1815
01:25:05,692 --> 01:25:07,852
Speaker 3: and they need to get paid or else no one's

1816
01:25:07,853 --> 01:25:10,532
Speaker 3: going to be buy becoming a doctor if they don't

1817
01:25:10,612 --> 01:25:14,213
Speaker 3: get earn money doing it. Well, Andrew hopefully doesn't mind

1818
01:25:14,293 --> 01:25:16,692
Speaker 3: me mentioning this. He pays ten bucks to go see

1819
01:25:16,692 --> 01:25:19,253
Speaker 3: his doctor, but to be fair that he gets subsidized

1820
01:25:19,253 --> 01:25:22,692
Speaker 3: by your health insurance. Andrew, Yeah, he's nodding. So that's

1821
01:25:22,692 --> 01:25:26,333
Speaker 3: a good deal. Ten bucks. Oh, ten dollars fifty, forgive me,

1822
01:25:26,532 --> 01:25:28,812
Speaker 3: but that's a if you get in charge, ten bucks

1823
01:25:28,853 --> 01:25:31,053
Speaker 3: fifty and that's a good health insurance company. Whoever is.

1824
01:25:32,532 --> 01:25:35,053
Speaker 4: Good luck getting a ten dollar sandwich.

1825
01:25:35,013 --> 01:25:37,812
Speaker 3: Exactly to go see your GP for ten bucks. I mean,

1826
01:25:37,853 --> 01:25:39,572
Speaker 3: I'd be there every week just for you know, just

1827
01:25:39,612 --> 01:25:40,133
Speaker 3: have a yarn.

1828
01:25:40,893 --> 01:25:43,532
Speaker 2: But you think that all gps should be the same price,

1829
01:25:43,532 --> 01:25:44,852
Speaker 2: and how much do you think they should be?

1830
01:25:44,933 --> 01:25:47,612
Speaker 3: Well, I think there should be consistency because then you

1831
01:25:47,692 --> 01:25:51,372
Speaker 3: do have people that don't have that much money, and look,

1832
01:25:51,412 --> 01:25:52,892
Speaker 3: it's pretty tough for a lot of people out there

1833
01:25:52,933 --> 01:25:55,612
Speaker 3: at the moment. They would go to the low cost option,

1834
01:25:56,013 --> 01:25:58,173
Speaker 3: and that's great to have. But we saw that story

1835
01:25:58,213 --> 01:26:01,692
Speaker 3: the other day that poor clinic and a Ortata lines

1836
01:26:01,692 --> 01:26:04,812
Speaker 3: down the street. So if there was more consistency and

1837
01:26:04,933 --> 01:26:08,532
Speaker 3: maybe we subsidize these gps a little bit, more. Then

1838
01:26:08,572 --> 01:26:10,213
Speaker 3: we can get in and see a doctor when we

1839
01:26:10,293 --> 01:26:11,892
Speaker 3: need to, rather than ending up in A and.

1840
01:26:11,893 --> 01:26:14,012
Speaker 4: E with whose money? Whose money?

1841
01:26:14,053 --> 01:26:16,372
Speaker 2: Are we going to subsidize all of our money? Sounds

1842
01:26:16,372 --> 01:26:17,213
Speaker 2: like communism to me.

1843
01:26:18,053 --> 01:26:21,213
Speaker 3: Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Are really keen

1844
01:26:21,253 --> 01:26:23,333
Speaker 3: to hear how much you pay to go visit your

1845
01:26:23,412 --> 01:26:26,372
Speaker 3: doctor and have wait times reduced? It has been a

1846
01:26:26,372 --> 01:26:29,933
Speaker 3: big issue for a long time that many clinics and

1847
01:26:30,053 --> 01:26:33,213
Speaker 3: GP practices around the country minimum two week weight, maybe

1848
01:26:33,213 --> 01:26:33,892
Speaker 3: a little bit longer.

1849
01:26:34,093 --> 01:26:36,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, wait times won't reduce if you have a

1850
01:26:36,173 --> 01:26:37,772
Speaker 2: standardized lower price, will they.

1851
01:26:38,093 --> 01:26:40,213
Speaker 3: Well, let's see about that. What do you say, Oh,

1852
01:26:40,213 --> 01:26:42,213
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1853
01:26:42,253 --> 01:26:47,612
Speaker 3: It's fourteen past three News TALKSB. We're talking about why

1854
01:26:47,652 --> 01:26:53,612
Speaker 3: do gps charge different amounts? In Ponsonby In Auckland's there's

1855
01:26:53,652 --> 01:26:56,892
Speaker 3: one clinic that charges ninety bucks per visit. A clinic

1856
01:26:56,973 --> 01:27:00,612
Speaker 3: across the road all Family Medical Center charges just twenty

1857
01:27:00,692 --> 01:27:03,173
Speaker 3: nine bucks. So why the big difference? Do we need

1858
01:27:03,213 --> 01:27:06,973
Speaker 3: to have more consistency in what GP's charge. James, what

1859
01:27:07,013 --> 01:27:07,612
Speaker 3: do you think about this?

1860
01:27:08,692 --> 01:27:11,333
Speaker 16: Yeah, it wouldn't It wouldn't hurt to have a consistent

1861
01:27:11,412 --> 01:27:15,652
Speaker 16: price on the GPS. I go to medical center here

1862
01:27:15,933 --> 01:27:18,213
Speaker 16: in nine I I think it's about fifty or sixty

1863
01:27:18,213 --> 01:27:20,652
Speaker 16: months to go and visit or something like that. But

1864
01:27:20,732 --> 01:27:23,452
Speaker 16: the thing I've found is for the last four or

1865
01:27:23,532 --> 01:27:27,253
Speaker 16: five years I've been paying them ten dollars a week

1866
01:27:27,333 --> 01:27:31,253
Speaker 16: through an automatic payment to their account to help pay

1867
01:27:31,333 --> 01:27:35,972
Speaker 16: my doctor's bill smart and I think currently my bills

1868
01:27:36,133 --> 01:27:41,692
Speaker 16: my accounts standing somewhere a couple of hundred in the brack,

1869
01:27:42,492 --> 01:27:44,652
Speaker 16: so I don't have to worry too much about paying it.

1870
01:27:44,933 --> 01:27:46,612
Speaker 16: I think most doctors could do that.

1871
01:27:47,853 --> 01:27:50,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a sensible, sensible way to deal

1872
01:27:50,652 --> 01:27:53,412
Speaker 2: with it. My thing with the consistency and doctors is

1873
01:27:53,452 --> 01:27:56,812
Speaker 2: they're a business and they should be able to charge

1874
01:27:56,853 --> 01:27:58,812
Speaker 2: what they need to. And of course there's the other

1875
01:27:58,853 --> 01:28:02,412
Speaker 2: thing of if you are running a doctor on in

1876
01:28:02,492 --> 01:28:05,692
Speaker 2: a very expensive area in terms of the rent you

1877
01:28:05,732 --> 01:28:09,293
Speaker 2: have to pay for your clinic then and you're going

1878
01:28:09,372 --> 01:28:11,972
Speaker 2: to have you're going to have bigger you know, you've

1879
01:28:11,973 --> 01:28:12,933
Speaker 2: got bigger outlays.

1880
01:28:13,333 --> 01:28:15,053
Speaker 4: So if there would be.

1881
01:28:15,093 --> 01:28:18,372
Speaker 2: Ridiculous that someone that's paying let's just pull a number

1882
01:28:18,572 --> 01:28:20,532
Speaker 2: out one hundred dollars a week rent and that would

1883
01:28:20,532 --> 01:28:23,452
Speaker 2: never happen for the Yeah, their facility, and there's someone

1884
01:28:23,452 --> 01:28:25,412
Speaker 2: paying one thousand dollars a week, then surely the people

1885
01:28:25,452 --> 01:28:26,812
Speaker 2: that are paying a thousand dollars a week have to

1886
01:28:26,893 --> 01:28:28,293
Speaker 2: charge their patients more.

1887
01:28:28,492 --> 01:28:32,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, But does more money equal better access? That's what

1888
01:28:32,572 --> 01:28:36,173
Speaker 3: I worry about with our public health system. That you've

1889
01:28:36,173 --> 01:28:38,412
Speaker 3: got a place charging ninety dollars because they've got the

1890
01:28:38,492 --> 01:28:41,133
Speaker 3: best GPS and it's a very nice experience, and it's

1891
01:28:41,133 --> 01:28:43,812
Speaker 3: a lovely clinic, that's all, you know, all well and good,

1892
01:28:43,812 --> 01:28:46,613
Speaker 3: and I get you know, it's a it's a democracy,

1893
01:28:46,652 --> 01:28:49,012
Speaker 3: and people can do those things. But I worry about

1894
01:28:49,013 --> 01:28:51,692
Speaker 3: the access to the best doctors, just because you've got

1895
01:28:51,692 --> 01:28:55,013
Speaker 3: a bit of extra cash.

1896
01:28:53,933 --> 01:28:55,532
Speaker 2: Right, I see it's saying, but I mean you could

1897
01:28:55,532 --> 01:28:57,933
Speaker 2: say that about absolutely everything in society, couldn't you.

1898
01:28:58,093 --> 01:29:00,532
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's that's capitalism, James.

1899
01:29:01,412 --> 01:29:02,133
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1900
01:29:02,173 --> 01:29:03,532
Speaker 3: How often would you go to the GP?

1901
01:29:05,692 --> 01:29:08,412
Speaker 16: Probably two maybe three times a year if I need to,

1902
01:29:10,652 --> 01:29:12,772
Speaker 16: And as you say, it does take a while to

1903
01:29:14,452 --> 01:29:17,133
Speaker 16: get in. I mean I'm due to go to see

1904
01:29:17,173 --> 01:29:22,053
Speaker 16: the doctor and a couple of weeks now, I've had

1905
01:29:22,093 --> 01:29:24,213
Speaker 16: my main appointment last Tuesday, and it's going to be

1906
01:29:24,293 --> 01:29:26,572
Speaker 16: at least all the twelfth of November before I can

1907
01:29:26,612 --> 01:29:29,732
Speaker 16: get in. But I don't mind that because it's not urgent.

1908
01:29:30,812 --> 01:29:33,612
Speaker 16: I'm just giving something, you know, getting a check out

1909
01:29:33,612 --> 01:29:35,492
Speaker 16: and check up and something like that.

1910
01:29:35,692 --> 01:29:37,612
Speaker 3: Have you got better at ed going to see the

1911
01:29:37,692 --> 01:29:40,412
Speaker 3: GP when you have an ailment? I mean, is it

1912
01:29:40,452 --> 01:29:43,692
Speaker 3: fair to say, maybe in your younger years that it

1913
01:29:43,772 --> 01:29:45,892
Speaker 3: was pretty hard for you to get to the GP.

1914
01:29:46,053 --> 01:29:47,572
Speaker 3: You just thought you had been a bit of a baby.

1915
01:29:47,652 --> 01:29:50,732
Speaker 16: Yeah, well you know you got when you're young, felly.

1916
01:29:50,812 --> 01:29:56,132
Speaker 16: You think you're running and vulnerable and you know I

1917
01:29:55,893 --> 01:29:57,652
Speaker 16: don't want to give them a doctor.

1918
01:29:59,253 --> 01:30:01,213
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's great, James that you're thinking about

1919
01:30:01,213 --> 01:30:02,933
Speaker 2: it and that you're putting the money aside with that

1920
01:30:03,013 --> 01:30:05,773
Speaker 2: direct credit, because that's the Yeah. I mean, I absolutely

1921
01:30:05,853 --> 01:30:07,852
Speaker 2: encourage people to go to the doctor. There's this text that's

1922
01:30:07,853 --> 01:30:10,612
Speaker 2: come through here that I think is really pertinent.

1923
01:30:10,732 --> 01:30:10,932
Speaker 4: Matt.

1924
01:30:11,013 --> 01:30:14,772
Speaker 2: My children lost their dad to cancer when they were

1925
01:30:14,853 --> 01:30:16,852
Speaker 2: eight and eleven because he refused to go to the

1926
01:30:16,853 --> 01:30:20,253
Speaker 2: doctor about a digestive issue. Put your big boy pants

1927
01:30:20,293 --> 01:30:23,333
Speaker 2: on and get to the doctor. That's from AJ. Thank

1928
01:30:23,333 --> 01:30:26,013
Speaker 2: you for that text, And I totally believe there is

1929
01:30:26,053 --> 01:30:29,652
Speaker 2: a serious problem in this country with men not going

1930
01:30:29,652 --> 01:30:31,932
Speaker 2: to the doctor because, as James says, we do sometimes

1931
01:30:31,973 --> 01:30:34,173
Speaker 2: feel invincible. On top of that, we also don't want

1932
01:30:34,173 --> 01:30:35,013
Speaker 2: to be a problem.

1933
01:30:35,812 --> 01:30:36,852
Speaker 4: But I will.

1934
01:30:37,053 --> 01:30:38,812
Speaker 2: I will, out of respect to that text, go and

1935
01:30:38,853 --> 01:30:40,253
Speaker 2: get my digestive issue looked at.

1936
01:30:40,412 --> 01:30:43,213
Speaker 3: Yep, Well, I've got an email here on that issue

1937
01:30:43,213 --> 01:30:45,852
Speaker 3: as well. Matt, you want to hear it. Yeah, it

1938
01:30:45,853 --> 01:30:47,052
Speaker 3: has given you a serve again.

1939
01:30:47,213 --> 01:30:48,812
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, that seems to having a lot here and

1940
01:30:48,893 --> 01:30:49,532
Speaker 4: I enjoy it.

1941
01:30:49,532 --> 01:30:51,892
Speaker 3: Right, I deserve it? Yeah, right, yeah, here it is,

1942
01:30:52,093 --> 01:30:54,972
Speaker 3: it says Hi Tyler. Please tell Matt to go see

1943
01:30:54,973 --> 01:30:58,092
Speaker 3: the GP. He is not making a fuss. Gastric issues

1944
01:30:58,253 --> 01:31:01,532
Speaker 3: can be due to all sorts of conditions, benign or not.

1945
01:31:01,732 --> 01:31:04,253
Speaker 3: Better to be told eat better rather than why didn't

1946
01:31:04,293 --> 01:31:06,293
Speaker 3: you come in sooner? How often do you hear of

1947
01:31:06,333 --> 01:31:08,732
Speaker 3: people being too late with a serious condition could have

1948
01:31:08,772 --> 01:31:11,532
Speaker 3: been treated early with a good outcome. Stop being a

1949
01:31:11,612 --> 01:31:16,092
Speaker 3: pigot girl's blouse. Matts speaking from over forty years experience

1950
01:31:16,093 --> 01:31:17,892
Speaker 3: in the surgical area from Terresa.

1951
01:31:18,093 --> 01:31:20,532
Speaker 2: Okay, Teresa, Oh well, I'll book now. I'll try and

1952
01:31:20,572 --> 01:31:23,612
Speaker 2: book now. Actually, but let's see how soon I can

1953
01:31:23,652 --> 01:31:24,572
Speaker 2: book into my doctor.

1954
01:31:24,612 --> 01:31:25,293
Speaker 4: Eh.

1955
01:31:25,412 --> 01:31:27,812
Speaker 3: Well, we've got a tersa on the on the phone, Theresa.

1956
01:31:27,853 --> 01:31:29,412
Speaker 3: That wasn't you that sent through the email?

1957
01:31:29,492 --> 01:31:30,572
Speaker 9: Was it?

1958
01:31:30,572 --> 01:31:31,412
Speaker 4: It was Tyler?

1959
01:31:31,452 --> 01:31:33,253
Speaker 3: Oh, well, good to chat with you. I mean you

1960
01:31:33,293 --> 01:31:37,133
Speaker 3: said that very well, and you bang on and I

1961
01:31:37,173 --> 01:31:40,532
Speaker 3: think Matt's feel little bit chasen now. But the cost,

1962
01:31:40,893 --> 01:31:43,892
Speaker 3: the cost of GPS generally, do you think there is

1963
01:31:43,933 --> 01:31:46,093
Speaker 3: some logic there to have it more consistent?

1964
01:31:47,372 --> 01:31:47,812
Speaker 9: Okay?

1965
01:31:47,933 --> 01:31:54,253
Speaker 29: So the GP that is you said twenty nine dollars yep, yep?

1966
01:31:54,412 --> 01:31:57,053
Speaker 29: Are they also an urgent care provider?

1967
01:31:57,253 --> 01:32:00,412
Speaker 3: It doesn't give that information, but while we're chatting, I'll

1968
01:32:00,412 --> 01:32:02,812
Speaker 3: find that out. So it's the All Family Medical Center

1969
01:32:02,973 --> 01:32:05,452
Speaker 3: versus the Pontsmbee Medical Center.

1970
01:32:06,093 --> 01:32:08,333
Speaker 29: Yeah, so potentially one thing You've got a lot of

1971
01:32:08,412 --> 01:32:11,053
Speaker 29: cat is, you know, and I know they're both in

1972
01:32:11,133 --> 01:32:15,533
Speaker 29: the sort of same geographical area. If one is providing

1973
01:32:16,452 --> 01:32:22,653
Speaker 29: twenty four hour urgent care, they will be getting funded differently, okay,

1974
01:32:22,973 --> 01:32:26,812
Speaker 29: as opposed to the other GP, who was probably just

1975
01:32:26,933 --> 01:32:32,852
Speaker 29: working off an appointment basis. It will also depend on

1976
01:32:35,293 --> 01:32:38,932
Speaker 29: obviously locations, because as I think Matt said, they work

1977
01:32:39,013 --> 01:32:43,133
Speaker 29: as a business with which both of them do. I

1978
01:32:43,772 --> 01:32:47,212
Speaker 29: where I am in the Auckland area, I was actually

1979
01:32:47,293 --> 01:32:51,173
Speaker 29: seeing a GP in EPSOM who was charging fifty dollars

1980
01:32:51,253 --> 01:32:55,452
Speaker 29: for consult which I felt was starting to get a

1981
01:32:55,452 --> 01:32:59,772
Speaker 29: little bit up there, and so I changed and I

1982
01:32:59,893 --> 01:33:03,372
Speaker 29: now go down into Only Hunger, where I pay twenty

1983
01:33:03,452 --> 01:33:08,732
Speaker 29: nine they are an urgent care and twenty for our

1984
01:33:09,093 --> 01:33:13,012
Speaker 29: medical and that's the difference where the other one wasn't.

1985
01:33:13,253 --> 01:33:17,052
Speaker 29: So a lot of it comes down to population based

1986
01:33:17,093 --> 01:33:20,213
Speaker 29: funding and that's why you get a different fee. The

1987
01:33:20,293 --> 01:33:22,572
Speaker 29: other thing is that you have to realize gps are

1988
01:33:22,572 --> 01:33:25,532
Speaker 29: actually private, they're not public.

1989
01:33:27,053 --> 01:33:29,172
Speaker 3: As I understand it, and sorry to jump in there, Toresa,

1990
01:33:29,173 --> 01:33:34,053
Speaker 3: but also how way clinic is subsidized is there's a

1991
01:33:34,053 --> 01:33:37,412
Speaker 3: lot to do with the ages of their clientele, right

1992
01:33:37,452 --> 01:33:39,293
Speaker 3: that if you do have a lot of children and

1993
01:33:39,372 --> 01:33:42,333
Speaker 3: elderly people, you're going to have more of that subsidy

1994
01:33:42,372 --> 01:33:46,573
Speaker 3: coming your way than a clinic who has more patients

1995
01:33:46,652 --> 01:33:48,973
Speaker 3: exfluence between twenty and forty.

1996
01:33:49,933 --> 01:33:52,492
Speaker 29: A lot of it comes down Yeah, I suppose you're

1997
01:33:52,492 --> 01:33:55,492
Speaker 29: probably right because population based funding has been around for

1998
01:33:55,532 --> 01:33:58,293
Speaker 29: a very long time, so the government actually looked at

1999
01:33:58,293 --> 01:34:02,173
Speaker 29: the area where you are. So because I'm going down

2000
01:34:02,253 --> 01:34:08,093
Speaker 29: to Only Hunger, obviously that is a more diverse population.

2001
01:34:09,093 --> 01:34:13,973
Speaker 29: There's probably a higher need for the population that is

2002
01:34:14,013 --> 01:34:17,093
Speaker 29: based down there, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,

2003
01:34:17,572 --> 01:34:22,133
Speaker 29: getting too yeah yeah, as opposed to obviously the more affluent.

2004
01:34:22,412 --> 01:34:23,492
Speaker 8: It's some area.

2005
01:34:23,772 --> 01:34:26,572
Speaker 2: Hey, Teresa, I've been accused of my life of being

2006
01:34:26,612 --> 01:34:28,892
Speaker 2: stubborn and not listening to people. But the reason why

2007
01:34:28,893 --> 01:34:30,812
Speaker 2: I've been quiet because I did listen to you, Teresa

2008
01:34:30,893 --> 01:34:34,213
Speaker 2: and Enna. And I've just booked myself into my into

2009
01:34:34,213 --> 01:34:38,892
Speaker 2: my doctor for an examination. Yep, first day I can

2010
01:34:38,933 --> 01:34:41,412
Speaker 2: get in Monday, the eleventh of November.

2011
01:34:41,492 --> 01:34:43,772
Speaker 3: Well, there we go, so poked in. Well done, Teresa,

2012
01:34:43,812 --> 01:34:45,492
Speaker 3: and we're going to find out on the twelfth of November.

2013
01:34:45,532 --> 01:34:48,732
Speaker 29: How when I'm looking forward to it, I just want

2014
01:34:48,732 --> 01:34:50,572
Speaker 29: to sort of hear whether he's just been needing too

2015
01:34:50,652 --> 01:34:55,732
Speaker 29: much junk food. Well, I know that's the thing. But

2016
01:34:55,853 --> 01:34:58,772
Speaker 29: the other thing is is as we get older, everything

2017
01:34:58,853 --> 01:35:01,213
Speaker 29: starts to get a bit more flack, so you get

2018
01:35:01,253 --> 01:35:03,133
Speaker 29: a lot more sort of reflux than that sort of

2019
01:35:03,133 --> 01:35:04,012
Speaker 29: thingish you get older.

2020
01:35:04,412 --> 01:35:07,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been some complaints about the upstairs bathroom after

2021
01:35:07,853 --> 01:35:09,452
Speaker 2: I've been in there, but let's not talk about that.

2022
01:35:09,532 --> 01:35:11,173
Speaker 29: Oh darn, well, there we go.

2023
01:35:11,492 --> 01:35:14,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, Thank you, very much Teresa, thank you

2024
01:35:14,652 --> 01:35:16,532
Speaker 3: for calling it and thank you for the email as well.

2025
01:35:16,572 --> 01:35:18,012
Speaker 3: It is twenty six past.

2026
01:35:17,812 --> 01:35:26,012
Speaker 1: Three Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

2027
01:35:26,093 --> 01:35:29,132
Speaker 1: eighty eighty on news Talk said, be good afternoon.

2028
01:35:29,133 --> 01:35:31,533
Speaker 3: It's twenty eight past three.

2029
01:35:32,812 --> 01:35:35,733
Speaker 6: This is news Talk, said, be breaking.

2030
01:35:35,412 --> 01:35:38,532
Speaker 3: News, yes and breaking news. A man sort in connection

2031
01:35:38,652 --> 01:35:41,612
Speaker 3: with a fatality after an assault on a barston on

2032
01:35:41,692 --> 01:35:44,652
Speaker 3: a hunger yesterday has been taken into custody. Police have

2033
01:35:44,812 --> 01:35:48,053
Speaker 3: confirmed the thirty seven year old handed himself in at

2034
01:35:48,093 --> 01:35:52,213
Speaker 3: north Shore Police Station this afternoon. Just repeating that breaking news.

2035
01:35:52,213 --> 01:35:54,692
Speaker 3: A man's sort in connection with a fatality after an

2036
01:35:54,732 --> 01:35:57,333
Speaker 3: assault on a barson on a hunger yesterday has been

2037
01:35:57,372 --> 01:36:00,372
Speaker 3: taken into custody. Police have confirmed the thirty seven year

2038
01:36:00,412 --> 01:36:03,452
Speaker 3: old has handed himself in at north Shore Police Station

2039
01:36:03,893 --> 01:36:06,933
Speaker 3: this afternoon. So more on that story in the headlines

2040
01:36:07,013 --> 01:36:09,253
Speaker 3: very shortly and with hitheron I'm sure as well after

2041
01:36:09,253 --> 01:36:12,372
Speaker 3: four o'clock. But we are talking about GPS and how

2042
01:36:12,452 --> 01:36:15,972
Speaker 3: much they charge. Should there be more consistency across the board?

2043
01:36:16,093 --> 01:36:18,093
Speaker 3: You say, Matt, that they are a business and if

2044
01:36:18,133 --> 01:36:20,213
Speaker 3: they want to charge ninety bucks a poth so be

2045
01:36:20,293 --> 01:36:22,372
Speaker 3: it if people don't pay it, then they'll drop their price.

2046
01:36:22,412 --> 01:36:23,652
Speaker 3: That is supply and demand.

2047
01:36:23,732 --> 01:36:25,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we need more doctors, so they need to

2048
01:36:25,692 --> 01:36:28,732
Speaker 2: be paid because the best way to you know, I've

2049
01:36:28,772 --> 01:36:31,412
Speaker 2: just had to booked an appointment here, can't get in

2050
01:36:31,412 --> 01:36:34,852
Speaker 2: there until Monday the eleventh. So if it's a lucrative

2051
01:36:34,893 --> 01:36:37,333
Speaker 2: business for people, get we'll get more more doctors.

2052
01:36:38,133 --> 01:36:39,933
Speaker 3: Well, this text to see is get our guys know

2053
01:36:40,253 --> 01:36:43,812
Speaker 3: to a complete doctor GP's subsidy. As already there are

2054
01:36:43,812 --> 01:36:46,572
Speaker 3: doctor's rooms clogged up with people who could go to

2055
01:36:46,772 --> 01:36:50,093
Speaker 3: a chemist. Keep those texts coming through on nine two

2056
01:36:50,213 --> 01:36:50,652
Speaker 3: ninety two.

2057
01:36:50,732 --> 01:36:52,452
Speaker 2: But that's kind of the opp But there's the other

2058
01:36:52,492 --> 01:36:55,092
Speaker 2: side to that as well, which is that you should

2059
01:36:55,093 --> 01:36:57,253
Speaker 2: go to the doctor if you have a problem.

2060
01:36:57,412 --> 01:37:01,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you told several times, Yeah.

2061
01:37:00,412 --> 01:37:01,052
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

2062
01:37:01,213 --> 01:37:03,972
Speaker 2: And so I've been chastened and I've booked the doctor,

2063
01:37:04,133 --> 01:37:06,492
Speaker 2: and I've noticed I've got a seventy three dollars credit

2064
01:37:06,492 --> 01:37:07,173
Speaker 2: in my doctor.

2065
01:37:07,532 --> 01:37:08,293
Speaker 3: How do you get a credit?

2066
01:37:08,692 --> 01:37:09,333
Speaker 4: I've got no idea.

2067
01:37:09,372 --> 01:37:12,173
Speaker 2: Maybe I was amazing, Maybe maybe it was a real

2068
01:37:12,213 --> 01:37:14,492
Speaker 2: pleasurable experience to examine me.

2069
01:37:14,572 --> 01:37:15,452
Speaker 4: I do have a great board.

2070
01:37:15,572 --> 01:37:19,052
Speaker 3: I eight one hundred eighty eighty. It is hulpas three

2071
01:37:19,173 --> 01:37:25,133
Speaker 3: beck of a modus.

2072
01:37:22,452 --> 01:37:25,932
Speaker 10: Talks, it'd be headlines with blue bubble. Taxis it's no

2073
01:37:26,053 --> 01:37:29,172
Speaker 10: trouble with a blue bubble. A man sought in connection

2074
01:37:29,293 --> 01:37:31,772
Speaker 10: with a fatality after an assault on a bus in

2075
01:37:31,973 --> 01:37:36,532
Speaker 10: Ornihunger yesterday has handed himself into police. Police say the

2076
01:37:36,532 --> 01:37:39,972
Speaker 10: thirty seven year olds in custody after arriving at north

2077
01:37:40,013 --> 01:37:44,213
Speaker 10: Shore Police Station. The Associate Housing Minister says a drop

2078
01:37:44,253 --> 01:37:47,692
Speaker 10: in people in emergency housing is because the government set

2079
01:37:47,772 --> 01:37:51,852
Speaker 10: clearer expectations with the Ministry of Social Development, not because

2080
01:37:51,893 --> 01:37:55,973
Speaker 10: people are being booted out. Almost thirty thousand households have

2081
01:37:56,013 --> 01:38:00,293
Speaker 10: received first payments under the Family Boost childcare scheme out

2082
01:38:00,293 --> 01:38:04,692
Speaker 10: of an estimated one hundred thousand eligible. The Cancer Control

2083
01:38:04,812 --> 01:38:08,853
Speaker 10: Agency says as of January this year, twenty four medicines

2084
01:38:08,973 --> 01:38:12,452
Speaker 10: used to treat blood cancer were available in Australia but

2085
01:38:12,612 --> 01:38:16,732
Speaker 10: not here, but New Zealand offers thirteen blood cancer medicines

2086
01:38:16,853 --> 01:38:20,772
Speaker 10: not available in Australia. Prime Minister Chris Luxon and his

2087
01:38:20,812 --> 01:38:23,972
Speaker 10: wife Amanda have arrived in some more for the Commonwealth

2088
01:38:24,013 --> 01:38:29,412
Speaker 10: Heads of Government meeting problematic decisions. How Wellington's Council has

2089
01:38:29,452 --> 01:38:32,532
Speaker 10: stopped listening to residents. Read the full column at enzid

2090
01:38:32,532 --> 01:38:35,253
Speaker 10: Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2091
01:38:35,293 --> 01:38:37,052
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we are talking

2092
01:38:37,053 --> 01:38:39,492
Speaker 3: about general practitioners. This is on the back of how

2093
01:38:39,572 --> 01:38:42,452
Speaker 3: much they charge there. It can be a huge difference

2094
01:38:42,492 --> 01:38:44,692
Speaker 3: in the cost of a GP appointment across New Zealand,

2095
01:38:44,732 --> 01:38:48,013
Speaker 3: anywhere from ninety dollars to ten dollars. Does there need

2096
01:38:48,053 --> 01:38:50,652
Speaker 3: to be more consistency in what has been your experience? Oh,

2097
01:38:50,692 --> 01:38:52,452
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

2098
01:38:52,492 --> 01:38:55,572
Speaker 3: call Angelo. How are you hei?

2099
01:38:55,692 --> 01:38:56,133
Speaker 7: I am good?

2100
01:38:56,173 --> 01:38:56,532
Speaker 4: Thank you?

2101
01:38:56,973 --> 01:38:57,532
Speaker 8: How about you?

2102
01:38:58,133 --> 01:39:00,572
Speaker 3: Very good on a Thursday? So how much does your

2103
01:39:00,612 --> 01:39:01,492
Speaker 3: GP charge you?

2104
01:39:03,213 --> 01:39:04,493
Speaker 7: Sixty five bucks?

2105
01:39:04,732 --> 01:39:05,293
Speaker 3: It's on there.

2106
01:39:06,572 --> 01:39:09,812
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not that bad because I used to go

2107
01:39:09,933 --> 01:39:14,452
Speaker 7: to a cheaper one. But you obviously you've heard about

2108
01:39:14,492 --> 01:39:17,452
Speaker 7: the you get what you pay for, right, Yeah, and

2109
01:39:18,013 --> 01:39:21,213
Speaker 7: that was cheaper. I was twenty nine dollars. But I

2110
01:39:21,293 --> 01:39:23,572
Speaker 7: have to wait two three hours just to be seen.

2111
01:39:24,173 --> 01:39:27,932
Speaker 7: And the worst part was I was there. I've been

2112
01:39:27,973 --> 01:39:32,012
Speaker 7: waiting two three hours and then after after the initial console,

2113
01:39:32,133 --> 01:39:34,772
Speaker 7: I said, oh, by the way, I have another issue,

2114
01:39:35,133 --> 01:39:37,412
Speaker 7: and then the doctor said, hey, you know what, just

2115
01:39:37,452 --> 01:39:40,293
Speaker 7: book another one ten minutes to stop there.

2116
01:39:41,452 --> 01:39:41,692
Speaker 4: Funny.

2117
01:39:43,652 --> 01:39:45,892
Speaker 3: And so it's there a walk in service Angelo, because

2118
01:39:45,933 --> 01:39:47,852
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever been to a clinic. So

2119
01:39:47,893 --> 01:39:50,213
Speaker 3: you walk and you take a number, and you're probably

2120
01:39:50,253 --> 01:39:52,973
Speaker 3: gonna wait there for a couple of hours. How that works?

2121
01:39:53,093 --> 01:39:58,093
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, basically, I fully understand the uh they look

2122
01:39:58,133 --> 01:40:01,452
Speaker 7: at depending on the urgency of the case. I fully

2123
01:40:01,532 --> 01:40:05,532
Speaker 7: understand that. But really watching people come and go, and

2124
01:40:07,213 --> 01:40:10,732
Speaker 7: I even had an experience where I went there, I booked.

2125
01:40:10,772 --> 01:40:13,253
Speaker 7: I said, look, I'm already here, just to let you know.

2126
01:40:13,333 --> 01:40:16,812
Speaker 7: I have a one o'clock appointment. Three two hours later,

2127
01:40:16,973 --> 01:40:19,772
Speaker 7: I went to the reception. I said, look, I haven't

2128
01:40:19,812 --> 01:40:22,692
Speaker 7: been seen. I've seen everyone come and go. And he's

2129
01:40:22,933 --> 01:40:26,412
Speaker 7: and she was like, what's your name again? I said, Angelo, Oh,

2130
01:40:26,452 --> 01:40:29,613
Speaker 7: you're not on the list. I'm like, I've been sitting.

2131
01:40:29,293 --> 01:40:30,092
Speaker 6: Here two hours.

2132
01:40:32,293 --> 01:40:34,693
Speaker 3: It might be pretty well, it's that experience.

2133
01:40:34,973 --> 01:40:35,853
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2134
01:40:35,933 --> 01:40:39,333
Speaker 7: I'd rather pay yeah and have a good experience rather

2135
01:40:39,452 --> 01:40:40,732
Speaker 7: than waste my time there.

2136
01:40:41,452 --> 01:40:43,372
Speaker 2: This is off top of Angelo, But you've got a

2137
01:40:43,412 --> 01:40:46,372
Speaker 2: beautiful accent. Where's that from.

2138
01:40:46,692 --> 01:40:47,733
Speaker 7: I'm from the Philippines.

2139
01:40:47,933 --> 01:40:49,412
Speaker 4: Oh it's beautiful accent.

2140
01:40:49,532 --> 01:40:52,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, Thank you, thank you. Very much, Angela.

2141
01:40:53,133 --> 01:40:57,732
Speaker 2: Thank you having beautiful voice, Angela. Get him on the ready, ready,

2142
01:40:57,812 --> 01:41:00,492
Speaker 2: get him on the replace. ANGELI replaced toilight.

2143
01:41:01,372 --> 01:41:03,772
Speaker 3: You can't make Angela. Craig, Hey you doing mate?

2144
01:41:04,612 --> 01:41:07,333
Speaker 8: Hey guys, Yeah, Hey, First of all, what a great

2145
01:41:07,412 --> 01:41:08,892
Speaker 8: job you guys are doing. I know you had some

2146
01:41:08,933 --> 01:41:10,812
Speaker 8: big boots to fill, but you're doing a good job.

2147
01:41:11,173 --> 01:41:14,132
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, Lox, Thank you so much, Craig, appreciate

2148
01:41:14,173 --> 01:41:15,253
Speaker 4: that genuinely.

2149
01:41:15,372 --> 01:41:18,253
Speaker 8: No, it's good. You guys got the conversation flowing and

2150
01:41:18,293 --> 01:41:22,253
Speaker 8: you're both fun. So yeah, good on your bless Hey.

2151
01:41:22,333 --> 01:41:26,372
Speaker 8: Look a little bit off topic, but we're rural, we're

2152
01:41:26,412 --> 01:41:31,652
Speaker 8: a not tra hunger and generally about three weeks to

2153
01:41:31,732 --> 01:41:36,053
Speaker 8: see a doctor. Yeah, but one of the issues that

2154
01:41:36,173 --> 01:41:39,572
Speaker 8: really we're seeing, if I if I, if I'm allowed

2155
01:41:39,572 --> 01:41:42,452
Speaker 8: to sort of express the opinion a little bit, is

2156
01:41:43,293 --> 01:41:48,293
Speaker 8: my wife has had a large list about the size

2157
01:41:48,293 --> 01:41:52,452
Speaker 8: of the key fruit and you're growing that. We were

2158
01:41:52,492 --> 01:41:55,452
Speaker 8: told we went to work out of a hospital about

2159
01:41:55,452 --> 01:41:57,892
Speaker 8: three or four weeks ago, and the specialist a year.

2160
01:41:57,933 --> 01:42:00,492
Speaker 8: We've definitely going to deal with that. My wife's a

2161
01:42:00,572 --> 01:42:04,452
Speaker 8: caregiver and she's obviously doing a bit of heavy lifting

2162
01:42:04,492 --> 01:42:07,293
Speaker 8: and bits and pieces and then we were sived. So

2163
01:42:07,333 --> 01:42:09,732
Speaker 8: he was like, yeah, this has got to happen, so

2164
01:42:09,853 --> 01:42:12,052
Speaker 8: we'll put it on the short list and you'll probably

2165
01:42:12,133 --> 01:42:14,333
Speaker 8: have this happen in the next like six weeks. For

2166
01:42:14,692 --> 01:42:18,973
Speaker 8: three months. Then we received a letter last week but

2167
01:42:19,572 --> 01:42:24,052
Speaker 8: it's not important. It's no longer a round on their list,

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01:42:24,692 --> 01:42:30,053
Speaker 8: so it's sort of as rubbed off, right, So we're

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01:42:30,093 --> 01:42:34,692
Speaker 8: flying her to China in three weeks time. They had

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01:42:34,732 --> 01:42:39,372
Speaker 8: the surgery done, which with the air fairs are about

2171
01:42:39,412 --> 01:42:42,372
Speaker 8: seven hundred dollars New Zealand, and then it's about two

2172
01:42:42,452 --> 01:42:44,852
Speaker 8: hundred dollars for the operation in China and then she'll

2173
01:42:44,893 --> 01:42:49,132
Speaker 8: come back. Wow, and she she'll just take a week's

2174
01:42:49,173 --> 01:42:53,812
Speaker 8: holiday to do that. But isn't it sad that we've

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01:42:53,853 --> 01:42:55,892
Speaker 8: got caregivers that are working in these zealand that are

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01:42:55,853 --> 01:42:58,133
Speaker 8: having to fly to other countries to have surgery done

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01:42:58,173 --> 01:43:00,212
Speaker 8: so they can come back to work and pay more taxes.

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01:43:00,652 --> 01:43:02,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, very much. So I didn't realize that it had got

2179
01:43:02,652 --> 01:43:04,852
Speaker 3: to that extent, Craig, But that is a sorry state

2180
01:43:04,853 --> 01:43:05,333
Speaker 3: of affairs.

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01:43:05,372 --> 01:43:09,093
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty bad. I mean, especially when specialists

2182
01:43:09,093 --> 01:43:11,412
Speaker 8: are saying, yeah, this has got to happen and he

2183
01:43:11,732 --> 01:43:15,532
Speaker 8: was great, like he was. His feedback is awsome. But

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01:43:15,652 --> 01:43:21,333
Speaker 8: then somewhere along the bureaucratic pathway, it got to know.

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01:43:22,173 --> 01:43:25,492
Speaker 8: So now we just decided, well, you know, we've obviously

2186
01:43:25,532 --> 01:43:27,572
Speaker 8: we've got to deal with this because she's sleeping with

2187
01:43:27,572 --> 01:43:29,572
Speaker 8: a pillow between her leagues for the last twelve months

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01:43:29,612 --> 01:43:34,133
Speaker 8: because it's so painful and it's kind of frustrating though,

2189
01:43:34,173 --> 01:43:37,652
Speaker 8: you know, like we're both paying taxes, we're both hard workers,

2190
01:43:37,732 --> 01:43:42,692
Speaker 8: were you know, yeah, frustrated to the next Now.

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01:43:42,572 --> 01:43:44,652
Speaker 2: Craig, if you don't mind me asking, how do you

2192
01:43:44,692 --> 01:43:48,132
Speaker 2: go about booking procedure in China?

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01:43:49,572 --> 01:43:52,972
Speaker 8: It's not easy. So my wife is originally from China,

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01:43:54,692 --> 01:43:58,612
Speaker 8: so her mom and dad still live there, so they've

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01:43:58,692 --> 01:44:03,812
Speaker 8: organized the the operation to be done there, and the

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01:44:04,452 --> 01:44:07,812
Speaker 8: obviously all the scans and so forth have been sent

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01:44:07,853 --> 01:44:10,093
Speaker 8: to the in China so that they're aware of what

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01:44:10,133 --> 01:44:10,732
Speaker 8: they have to do.

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01:44:13,053 --> 01:44:14,772
Speaker 4: Your wife's still a Chinese citizen.

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01:44:15,933 --> 01:44:18,572
Speaker 8: She's a New Zealand resident, but she's been here twenty

2201
01:44:18,612 --> 01:44:21,572
Speaker 8: two years and she's been working as a caregiver for

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01:44:21,612 --> 01:44:22,732
Speaker 8: the last ten years.

2203
01:44:23,572 --> 01:44:26,133
Speaker 3: We do that, I just know, because medical tourism does

2204
01:44:26,173 --> 01:44:28,892
Speaker 3: exist in many parts of the country. Thailand obviously, and

2205
01:44:28,933 --> 01:44:31,173
Speaker 3: there are companies set up to help you get if

2206
01:44:31,173 --> 01:44:33,293
Speaker 3: you want dental work, but I believe you can also

2207
01:44:33,412 --> 01:44:35,253
Speaker 3: have other surgeries as well if you need them and

2208
01:44:35,293 --> 01:44:37,732
Speaker 3: you've got the money. Is that the situation in China

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01:44:37,812 --> 01:44:40,012
Speaker 3: or you do have to be a citizen of China

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01:44:40,093 --> 01:44:41,612
Speaker 3: to get an operation there.

2211
01:44:41,812 --> 01:44:44,612
Speaker 8: No, it's more of the fact that she had worked

2212
01:44:44,652 --> 01:44:47,013
Speaker 8: in China for quite a few years, like so, she

2213
01:44:47,133 --> 01:44:50,013
Speaker 8: worked for the Bank of China for a number of

2214
01:44:50,093 --> 01:44:53,532
Speaker 8: years as well, so there is a little bit of

2215
01:44:53,612 --> 01:44:56,532
Speaker 8: influence there, and the fact that she does have a

2216
01:44:56,652 --> 01:45:03,452
Speaker 8: medical background in China, so that's probably part of why

2217
01:45:03,452 --> 01:45:05,173
Speaker 8: it's not so expensive.

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01:45:05,652 --> 01:45:07,612
Speaker 2: Well, all the best of that, Craig, and all the

2219
01:45:07,612 --> 01:45:09,812
Speaker 2: best to you for your wife, and I hope it

2220
01:45:09,853 --> 01:45:11,892
Speaker 2: goes well for you and good on you for taking action.

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01:45:12,093 --> 01:45:15,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks very much, Craig. Right, Oh, eight hundred and

2222
01:45:15,492 --> 01:45:17,253
Speaker 3: eighty teen eighty is the number to call. We'll get

2223
01:45:17,293 --> 01:45:19,652
Speaker 3: to more of your phone calls very shortly. It is

2224
01:45:19,933 --> 01:45:20,772
Speaker 3: twenty minutes.

2225
01:45:20,572 --> 01:45:25,612
Speaker 6: Before Mattie Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

2226
01:45:25,652 --> 01:45:29,412
Speaker 6: on mad Even Taylor Adams afternoons us talk said.

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01:45:29,293 --> 01:45:30,452
Speaker 3: Be seventeen to four.

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01:45:30,973 --> 01:45:31,572
Speaker 4: Welcome to the show.

2229
01:45:31,772 --> 01:45:34,973
Speaker 2: Mary, we're talking about GPS and the different costs you

2230
01:45:35,133 --> 01:45:36,613
Speaker 2: pay for different GPS.

2231
01:45:36,732 --> 01:45:37,293
Speaker 4: Your thoughts.

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01:45:38,412 --> 01:45:41,853
Speaker 31: You have just had a post arrived, so anyhoppy?

2233
01:45:41,973 --> 01:45:45,372
Speaker 3: Oh what are you got something from Tim? Oh this

2234
01:45:45,532 --> 01:45:46,052
Speaker 3: is exciting.

2235
01:45:46,213 --> 01:45:49,452
Speaker 4: Take the take the phone out and let us love together.

2236
01:45:49,652 --> 01:45:50,333
Speaker 3: This is good Mary.

2237
01:45:51,253 --> 01:45:54,532
Speaker 31: Oh, no cookie, cooky awful things. I don't know what

2238
01:45:54,612 --> 01:45:55,213
Speaker 31: he's done with it.

2239
01:45:55,452 --> 01:45:57,612
Speaker 4: He's going, he's going. Has he dropped anything off?

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01:45:58,173 --> 01:45:59,892
Speaker 3: Give him a yell, tell him not to run away.

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01:45:59,973 --> 01:46:00,812
Speaker 3: You want your parcel?

2242
01:46:00,973 --> 01:46:03,972
Speaker 31: No, we ave got a camera?

2243
01:46:04,213 --> 01:46:08,933
Speaker 4: So oh god, god, but a minute he came in,

2244
01:46:09,013 --> 01:46:10,572
Speaker 4: knocked on the door. Did he leave the parcel or

2245
01:46:10,612 --> 01:46:10,933
Speaker 4: did he go?

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01:46:12,213 --> 01:46:13,892
Speaker 31: Well, he's gone, but he didn't knock.

2247
01:46:14,053 --> 01:46:18,612
Speaker 4: That's that isying. You run down the road and get us.

2248
01:46:18,652 --> 01:46:22,253
Speaker 3: I reckon your parcels. He dropped the parcel off somewhere.

2249
01:46:23,213 --> 01:46:25,733
Speaker 31: It's probably only something really miracle.

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01:46:25,452 --> 01:46:28,532
Speaker 4: Anyway, but anyhow, well that's important.

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01:46:29,973 --> 01:46:33,652
Speaker 31: Yeah. Hey, the thing is a lot of I live

2252
01:46:33,772 --> 01:46:37,572
Speaker 31: and I suppose a small a country town probably, but

2253
01:46:37,853 --> 01:46:39,173
Speaker 31: quite a bit bigger than notes. You're hunger.

2254
01:46:39,253 --> 01:46:40,253
Speaker 16: But we.

2255
01:46:42,093 --> 01:46:45,412
Speaker 31: Issue is actually being able to get doctors, full time

2256
01:46:45,492 --> 01:46:50,093
Speaker 31: doctors to come here and for a long, long time.

2257
01:46:50,612 --> 01:46:54,852
Speaker 31: It's really COVID. We've not had doctors full time. I

2258
01:46:54,853 --> 01:46:57,452
Speaker 31: think we've got about three or four here, but in

2259
01:46:57,572 --> 01:47:00,213
Speaker 31: one very very good lady, but she's only three days

2260
01:47:00,253 --> 01:47:03,333
Speaker 31: a week unfortunately. So yeah, you've got a three or

2261
01:47:03,372 --> 01:47:07,053
Speaker 31: four week wait to get to see, especially a good one.

2262
01:47:07,612 --> 01:47:09,293
Speaker 9: But the biggest, big.

2263
01:47:09,253 --> 01:47:13,532
Speaker 31: Issue is apparently a lot of people do not tune

2264
01:47:13,572 --> 01:47:17,492
Speaker 31: up for appointments. No, they don't ring in right.

2265
01:47:17,812 --> 01:47:20,852
Speaker 3: So that's frustrating when you've got a locom take it

2266
01:47:20,973 --> 01:47:23,133
Speaker 3: turning up three days a week, and then some people

2267
01:47:23,253 --> 01:47:25,053
Speaker 3: don't tune up. That's not a good look, is it.

2268
01:47:26,213 --> 01:47:28,692
Speaker 31: Well, it's not just for Locans. It's apparently they have

2269
01:47:28,772 --> 01:47:31,333
Speaker 31: about two hundred a month of people who don't turn up.

2270
01:47:31,732 --> 01:47:31,972
Speaker 4: Wow.

2271
01:47:33,333 --> 01:47:35,732
Speaker 31: I actually think they need to start charging people.

2272
01:47:35,812 --> 01:47:36,612
Speaker 17: But we don't have.

2273
01:47:37,013 --> 01:47:39,652
Speaker 31: Our fees are low here anyway.

2274
01:47:40,013 --> 01:47:40,492
Speaker 4: That's interesting.

2275
01:47:40,532 --> 01:47:42,492
Speaker 2: I'd assume that I would I would get charged if

2276
01:47:42,532 --> 01:47:44,333
Speaker 2: I don't turn up for a doctor. In fact, I

2277
01:47:44,372 --> 01:47:45,932
Speaker 2: get annoyed because I always turn up for the doctor

2278
01:47:45,973 --> 01:47:48,652
Speaker 2: on time and then they make you wait, I do oh, well,

2279
01:47:48,692 --> 01:47:50,173
Speaker 2: I use that, but I feel like if I don't

2280
01:47:50,173 --> 01:47:52,933
Speaker 2: tune up on time, then that I feel like I

2281
01:47:52,933 --> 01:47:53,652
Speaker 2: should be charged.

2282
01:47:53,652 --> 01:47:54,652
Speaker 3: I always get it earlier.

2283
01:47:54,933 --> 01:47:57,612
Speaker 4: If you don't give twenty four hours notice, I mean

2284
01:47:57,772 --> 01:48:01,692
Speaker 4: he ar sorry, Yeah, but no, I'm just.

2285
01:48:01,732 --> 01:48:04,053
Speaker 31: Going to say, it's just like dangerous. You don't know

2286
01:48:04,652 --> 01:48:08,612
Speaker 31: when when something's going to happen something. No, they might

2287
01:48:08,652 --> 01:48:11,652
Speaker 31: be in the middle of a filling, might take longer

2288
01:48:11,692 --> 01:48:15,372
Speaker 31: than what they expected, or even with a doctor like

2289
01:48:15,933 --> 01:48:19,132
Speaker 31: I'm terrible for having more than one or two things

2290
01:48:20,173 --> 01:48:22,372
Speaker 31: to talk them there and here, they're very good. I've

2291
01:48:22,492 --> 01:48:25,572
Speaker 31: never my doctor's never said you know, you look sorry,

2292
01:48:25,612 --> 01:48:28,013
Speaker 31: you're over time or anything like that. But yeah, so

2293
01:48:28,133 --> 01:48:29,052
Speaker 31: I don't mind waiting.

2294
01:48:29,412 --> 01:48:31,412
Speaker 2: Well, Mary, if they're going to make you wait, then

2295
01:48:31,412 --> 01:48:33,812
Speaker 2: they should get newer magazines in the waiting room.

2296
01:48:34,093 --> 01:48:36,412
Speaker 4: But I'm actually I'm quite worried about your parcel because

2297
01:48:36,412 --> 01:48:38,452
Speaker 4: you live rurally. Will that will that come back? How

2298
01:48:38,492 --> 01:48:39,852
Speaker 4: long do you have to wait till they come back?

2299
01:48:41,812 --> 01:48:44,092
Speaker 31: He's probably put it there. I had a little seat

2300
01:48:44,173 --> 01:48:46,572
Speaker 31: out the back. Yeah, they can put it.

2301
01:48:48,173 --> 01:48:49,932
Speaker 4: Yeah, because if you hadn't seen him, he didn't knock

2302
01:48:49,973 --> 01:48:51,612
Speaker 4: on the door. He can't run away without giving you

2303
01:48:51,652 --> 01:48:53,012
Speaker 4: a passage without knocking on the door.

2304
01:48:53,812 --> 01:48:56,093
Speaker 31: I've got my phone on charge to so I can't

2305
01:48:56,133 --> 01:48:56,612
Speaker 31: really love.

2306
01:48:57,053 --> 01:48:57,253
Speaker 8: Well.

2307
01:48:57,372 --> 01:48:59,732
Speaker 3: A lot of people are upset about this parcel business. Mary.

2308
01:48:59,812 --> 01:49:01,213
Speaker 3: They want to know. I mean, is it there? Can

2309
01:49:01,253 --> 01:49:02,253
Speaker 3: you open up the door and ever.

2310
01:49:02,213 --> 01:49:07,492
Speaker 2: We look for us, but it can't come, and we

2311
01:49:07,652 --> 01:49:11,692
Speaker 2: need some lootion here on Tina hawks around your parcel.

2312
01:49:11,812 --> 01:49:14,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know his first because sometimes you know,

2313
01:49:14,173 --> 01:49:16,173
Speaker 3: with the rural career, you know he is. He's a

2314
01:49:16,213 --> 01:49:17,973
Speaker 3: local down at the pub. Do you know who he is?

2315
01:49:18,732 --> 01:49:19,053
Speaker 10: You know what?

2316
01:49:19,133 --> 01:49:21,452
Speaker 31: I'm on them? If we've got the wrongest dream, I know,

2317
01:49:23,173 --> 01:49:24,253
Speaker 31: here we go something.

2318
01:49:24,973 --> 01:49:25,452
Speaker 3: She's got it.

2319
01:49:25,772 --> 01:49:26,293
Speaker 4: She's got it.

2320
01:49:26,452 --> 01:49:28,293
Speaker 3: Are you brave enough to open it up?

2321
01:49:29,933 --> 01:49:30,333
Speaker 25: What is it?

2322
01:49:30,692 --> 01:49:31,372
Speaker 4: You know what it is?

2323
01:49:32,853 --> 01:49:32,893
Speaker 6: No?

2324
01:49:33,492 --> 01:49:34,972
Speaker 31: I can sort of feel something.

2325
01:49:36,053 --> 01:49:37,133
Speaker 5: I know what it is.

2326
01:49:37,253 --> 01:49:38,293
Speaker 3: Oh, this is like Christmas.

2327
01:49:38,772 --> 01:49:40,452
Speaker 4: Yeah, can you hear? Can you sar?

2328
01:49:40,532 --> 01:49:40,772
Speaker 9: Mary?

2329
01:49:40,973 --> 01:49:41,333
Speaker 10: Christmas?

2330
01:49:42,213 --> 01:49:42,253
Speaker 22: No?

2331
01:49:42,372 --> 01:49:45,772
Speaker 31: No, no, I'm not going to open it. I think

2332
01:49:45,772 --> 01:49:49,932
Speaker 31: it's a touple of you know, really cool breakfast trade.

2333
01:49:50,732 --> 01:49:52,652
Speaker 31: Little rubber, little rubber thing.

2334
01:49:52,692 --> 01:49:55,012
Speaker 3: He is on the seat the silicon. Those are good days,

2335
01:49:55,492 --> 01:49:55,772
Speaker 3: are there?

2336
01:49:55,812 --> 01:49:56,012
Speaker 4: Great?

2337
01:49:56,013 --> 01:49:57,492
Speaker 2: Well, that's a happy end of the story. And thank

2338
01:49:57,532 --> 01:50:00,293
Speaker 2: you so much for calling us Mary. Thank goodness there.

2339
01:50:00,293 --> 01:50:02,612
Speaker 3: Was a roller coaster, and thank goodness she got the

2340
01:50:02,973 --> 01:50:05,652
Speaker 3: was a breakfast trade. The Silicon briefast tras mirror. You're great.

2341
01:50:06,372 --> 01:50:08,093
Speaker 3: We got to take a quick break.

2342
01:50:08,133 --> 01:50:09,732
Speaker 4: But before we do that, Yeah, I'm going to ask

2343
01:50:09,732 --> 01:50:10,293
Speaker 4: you a question.

2344
01:50:11,173 --> 01:50:15,093
Speaker 2: Neurosurgeons are the highest, highest gross salary owners.

2345
01:50:14,772 --> 01:50:16,612
Speaker 4: And the medical profession in New Zealand. Yep.

2346
01:50:17,492 --> 01:50:22,973
Speaker 2: What do you think is the average yearly wage the

2347
01:50:23,093 --> 01:50:25,932
Speaker 2: gross salary for a new neurosurgeon in New Zealand.

2348
01:50:28,133 --> 01:50:31,732
Speaker 3: I'm going to say three hundred thousand per year.

2349
01:50:33,093 --> 01:50:34,612
Speaker 4: Tyler, you're so far off.

2350
01:50:34,692 --> 01:50:38,372
Speaker 2: But two, what do you think a neurosurgeon an average

2351
01:50:38,452 --> 01:50:40,892
Speaker 2: neurosurgeon gets paid in New Zealand, not a average They

2352
01:50:40,973 --> 01:50:43,013
Speaker 2: might be great, but for.

2353
01:50:43,173 --> 01:50:44,892
Speaker 3: Top quality neurosurgeon, you don't.

2354
01:50:44,692 --> 01:50:47,652
Speaker 4: Want to go to an average neurosurgeon. The But the

2355
01:50:47,772 --> 01:50:51,253
Speaker 4: average gross salary for a neurosurgeon in New Zealand.

2356
01:50:51,053 --> 01:50:51,692
Speaker 7: Is it is?

2357
01:50:51,812 --> 01:50:52,452
Speaker 3: Twelve to four.

2358
01:50:54,213 --> 01:50:57,572
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2359
01:50:57,933 --> 01:51:01,612
Speaker 1: everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons you

2360
01:51:01,812 --> 01:51:03,852
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four US talk, said.

2361
01:51:04,133 --> 01:51:07,933
Speaker 3: Said B nine to four. Now before the break, you

2362
01:51:08,333 --> 01:51:09,572
Speaker 3: asked a question of the audience.

2363
01:51:09,732 --> 01:51:11,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, because we're asking about the costs of

2364
01:51:11,973 --> 01:51:13,893
Speaker 2: GPS and how they vary from place to place, so

2365
01:51:13,933 --> 01:51:17,132
Speaker 2: I thought I'd go right to the highest paid medical

2366
01:51:17,173 --> 01:51:20,492
Speaker 2: profession professionals in New Zealand. They are neurosurgeons. I asked

2367
01:51:20,853 --> 01:51:24,892
Speaker 2: how much their gross annual salary was, so some of.

2368
01:51:24,933 --> 01:51:28,573
Speaker 3: The guesses coming through four hundred and ninety five thousands,

2369
01:51:29,093 --> 01:51:30,972
Speaker 3: one point eight million bucks.

2370
01:51:31,572 --> 01:51:32,532
Speaker 4: This is the average.

2371
01:51:32,652 --> 01:51:36,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, hi, guys, I hope it's over a million. My daughter, well,

2372
01:51:36,572 --> 01:51:39,213
Speaker 3: this is a nice tech season. My daughter had brain

2373
01:51:39,253 --> 01:51:41,572
Speaker 3: surgery in January. They saved her life and are the

2374
01:51:41,652 --> 01:51:45,333
Speaker 3: most incredible people you'll ever meet meet. That's from Glenn.

2375
01:51:45,452 --> 01:51:47,013
Speaker 2: There's a great book you can read called Do No

2376
01:51:47,173 --> 01:51:50,492
Speaker 2: Harm from a Neurosurgeon. I read it not so long ago,

2377
01:51:50,612 --> 01:51:53,852
Speaker 2: and boy, oh boy, that is a high pressure job

2378
01:51:54,013 --> 01:51:56,932
Speaker 2: with calls that don't go the way you expect and very.

2379
01:51:56,812 --> 01:51:58,053
Speaker 4: Different conversations they have to have.

2380
01:51:58,213 --> 01:52:01,692
Speaker 2: But the average neurosurgeons gross salary in New Zealand, you

2381
01:52:01,772 --> 01:52:02,852
Speaker 2: guess three hundred thousand.

2382
01:52:03,333 --> 01:52:04,173
Speaker 4: You were very wrong.

2383
01:52:04,333 --> 01:52:07,772
Speaker 2: It is five hundred and fifty thousand, or an equivalent

2384
01:52:07,853 --> 01:52:10,732
Speaker 2: hourly of two hundred and sixty five dollars. In addition,

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Speaker 2: they earn an average bonus of one hundred and thirty

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01:52:12,853 --> 01:52:16,053
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars a year. An entry live on eurosurgeon

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01:52:16,652 --> 01:52:20,532
Speaker 2: earns an average of three hundred thirty thousand and an

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01:52:20,612 --> 01:52:23,973
Speaker 2: eight plus years. You're a surgeon earns eight hundred and

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01:52:24,213 --> 01:52:27,093
Speaker 2: sixty seven thousand dollars a years. Yep, because you want

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01:52:27,093 --> 01:52:29,132
Speaker 2: to go to an experienced one if you can't take.

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01:52:29,013 --> 01:52:31,812
Speaker 3: Here, Krishna, how are you good man?

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01:52:31,853 --> 01:52:32,932
Speaker 25: How are you very good?

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01:52:32,973 --> 01:52:34,572
Speaker 3: You're going to be our final call on this one.

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01:52:34,652 --> 01:52:37,293
Speaker 3: GP visits on how much they charge. What's your thoughts?

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01:52:39,253 --> 01:52:42,013
Speaker 25: I was going to go slightly off topic, but on

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01:52:42,133 --> 01:52:43,972
Speaker 25: the health thing as well. One of the guys said

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01:52:44,013 --> 01:52:47,213
Speaker 25: that non legtive surgeries, it didn't you know, it didn't happen.

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01:52:47,293 --> 01:52:48,293
Speaker 25: He had to go to China.

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01:52:48,572 --> 01:52:48,772
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:52:49,652 --> 01:52:50,692
Speaker 9: You know, our health.

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01:52:50,572 --> 01:52:53,892
Speaker 25: System does two things. Right, if you've got injured because

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01:52:53,893 --> 01:52:56,412
Speaker 25: of accident or something, it looks after you. And if

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01:52:56,452 --> 01:53:01,532
Speaker 25: it's if it's an urgent surgery, then then then they

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01:53:01,612 --> 01:53:05,253
Speaker 25: look after you. Now the area in between. You know,

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01:53:05,372 --> 01:53:07,612
Speaker 25: in the real world, most people want to have an

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01:53:07,612 --> 01:53:11,893
Speaker 25: insurance scheme that supports it. We tend to not do

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01:53:12,053 --> 01:53:14,093
Speaker 25: the insurance scheme, which means you kind of take take

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01:53:14,133 --> 01:53:16,293
Speaker 25: of it a risk, which means you haven't been paying

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01:53:16,333 --> 01:53:19,492
Speaker 25: premiums for that, and that's the money that goes towards

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01:53:19,933 --> 01:53:23,372
Speaker 25: some non in a non urgent surgery that you could

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01:53:23,412 --> 01:53:25,772
Speaker 25: do it here all you need to do overseas. Other

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01:53:25,853 --> 01:53:28,692
Speaker 25: countries have different schemes, which is they don't have the

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01:53:28,772 --> 01:53:32,532
Speaker 25: accident in acc scheme and they covered that way. We

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01:53:32,612 --> 01:53:34,892
Speaker 25: are able to cover a bit more of the non elective,

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01:53:34,973 --> 01:53:38,093
Speaker 25: non urgent type stuff, and so the country decides which

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01:53:38,133 --> 01:53:40,692
Speaker 25: way to go. But we can't be taxing people more.

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01:53:41,133 --> 01:53:45,812
Speaker 25: We have taxing quite everything, and you can't know, increase

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01:53:45,853 --> 01:53:49,493
Speaker 25: the minimum wage quite significantly. So so from all those perspectives,

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01:53:49,572 --> 01:53:51,652
Speaker 25: I think what you get in New Zealand it's pretty decent.

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01:53:53,532 --> 01:53:55,372
Speaker 25: If you want to go to some weird places to

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01:53:55,532 --> 01:53:58,333
Speaker 25: understand how bad the l situation is, I think you

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01:53:58,412 --> 01:53:59,213
Speaker 25: will come to try it.

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01:53:59,692 --> 01:54:00,812
Speaker 6: But I wouldn't.

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01:54:00,933 --> 01:54:04,852
Speaker 25: I wouldn't change the current system for anything.

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01:54:05,853 --> 01:54:06,093
Speaker 4: Really.

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01:54:06,173 --> 01:54:09,133
Speaker 2: Well, had good to heat, some good to hear something

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01:54:09,213 --> 01:54:11,173
Speaker 2: positive about the New Zealand health system.

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01:54:11,333 --> 01:54:17,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a nice one.

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01:54:18,772 --> 01:54:20,213
Speaker 4: That's actually a general.

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01:54:20,013 --> 01:54:22,933
Speaker 2: Rule for New Zealanders that we complain a lot, but

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01:54:23,133 --> 01:54:25,412
Speaker 2: a lot of us haven't seen how things are in

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01:54:25,492 --> 01:54:27,492
Speaker 2: the rest of the world. And you know, we have

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01:54:27,572 --> 01:54:30,372
Speaker 2: our challenges here, but New Zealand is a great place

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01:54:30,492 --> 01:54:33,573
Speaker 2: to live and we are doing our very best.

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01:54:33,812 --> 01:54:35,013
Speaker 4: We need to sort things out.

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01:54:35,133 --> 01:54:37,812
Speaker 3: We don't know how lucky we are from old fred Dagg.

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01:54:37,893 --> 01:54:40,453
Speaker 3: It was good song and it rings true sometimes, doesn't it.

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01:54:40,853 --> 01:54:43,172
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm excited about tomorrow Tyler on the show.

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01:54:43,493 --> 01:54:46,453
Speaker 3: New Zealander of the Week, the third ever.

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01:54:46,413 --> 01:54:49,013
Speaker 4: Matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealander of the Week. Who

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01:54:49,013 --> 01:54:52,373
Speaker 4: will it be? Will name that just after three o'clock tomorrow.

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01:54:52,573 --> 01:54:57,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, nomination potentials. I mean, it seems a lifetime ago.

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01:54:57,413 --> 01:55:00,772
Speaker 3: That massive weekend and sport we had last weekend. Holy moly,

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01:55:01,213 --> 01:55:03,012
Speaker 3: everyone was a winner after that weekend.

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01:55:03,173 --> 01:55:05,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so a lot of them will be in

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01:55:05,613 --> 01:55:09,333
Speaker 2: the mix, and probably not Mary's Corey who didn't.

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01:55:09,093 --> 01:55:09,653
Speaker 4: Knock on the door.

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01:55:09,772 --> 01:55:11,493
Speaker 3: No, she got it in the end though, so everyone

2449
01:55:11,613 --> 01:55:14,413
Speaker 3: was happy. And of course we've got topical tune as well.

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01:55:15,533 --> 01:55:17,373
Speaker 3: You're a the winner last time. It's one apiece at

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01:55:17,373 --> 01:55:17,812
Speaker 3: the stage.

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01:55:18,133 --> 01:55:18,333
Speaker 6: Yep.

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01:55:18,693 --> 01:55:20,932
Speaker 4: So I had a great show today. We'll be back

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01:55:21,013 --> 01:55:22,133
Speaker 4: tomorrow yea.

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01:55:22,333 --> 01:55:26,852
Speaker 3: Anyway, enjoy the rest of your afternoon and evening Friday tomorrow.

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01:55:26,973 --> 01:55:28,973
Speaker 3: We will catch you then give him a.

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01:55:29,013 --> 01:55:29,933
Speaker 4: Tasty keyword from me.

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