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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Duperic on Drive with One New

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Speaker 2: Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Coming up today, Brook van Balden, the minister who is

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Speaker 2: stopping all pay equity claims. After five, we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk to an expert about whether Israel really can take

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Speaker 2: And also and an ai a education expert on where

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Speaker 2: the handwriting exams is really the only way to go.

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Speaker 4: Heather duple Cylan, let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: That decision today is stop all those pay equity claims

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Speaker 2: as ballsy. I mean, you know, ballsy is good. I

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Speaker 2: think I lean towards thinking this is the right thing

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Speaker 2: to do. Those pay equity claims have been a bit random.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know how this works, but basically,

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Speaker 2: if people can prove that they are underpaid because they

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Speaker 2: work in women dominated jobs, then they can get a

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Speaker 2: pay rise. And how they prove this is by finding

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Speaker 2: men who are doing it similar job and then showing

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Speaker 2: that there is a difference in pay. But the problem

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Speaker 2: is it really isn't comparing oranges apples with apples, right,

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Speaker 2: it's often apples with oranges. For example, librarians. Librarians are

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Speaker 2: currently trying to get a pay rise by comparing themselves

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Speaker 2: to traffic engineers. Now, no disrespect whatsoever to librarians, but

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Speaker 2: the Dewey decimal system is not that hard. I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: sure that most of us could learn to do it

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Speaker 2: goes with the admin health staff who are trying to

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Speaker 2: compare themselves to mechanical engineers. And the same goes with

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Speaker 2: traffic air traffic controllers. You can see the trouble here

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Speaker 2: right now. From what I understand, what Brook van Belden

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Speaker 2: with the Minister when she's with us after five. But

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Speaker 2: Apparently this is one of, if not the single biggest

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Speaker 2: for something well and well well higher than ten billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: That is a significant amount of money and as we know,

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be the government. They will be

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Speaker 2: come because this attack basically rights itself. Heartless government takes

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Speaker 2: money from underpaid working women and that is why it

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Speaker 2: when you look at the detail, deeply flawed. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's a lovely idea, let's pay women more, but the

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Speaker 2: system that we use to do that is deeply, deeply

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Speaker 2: Nine two is the text under standard text fees Apployer,

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Speaker 2: you welcomed way in. Now on another subject altogether, the

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Speaker 2: National Party has revealed that it wants to ban social

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Speaker 2: this is supported by the Prime Minister. Stephen Sheler is

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Speaker 2: Has Stephen Hi heather good idea to ban the under sixteens.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a good idea in principle. I think

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Speaker 5: My kids are probably too young to even quite know

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Speaker 4: There's a lot more awareness of.

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Speaker 6: No, no, it's just maybe pau Bill.

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Speaker 6: What means you ban everything? You ban getting out of

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Speaker 2: sports talk host back at seven this evening, four twenty.

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Speaker 1: Two, moving the big stories of the day forward. Aw,

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Speaker 2: That'd be good afternoon.

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Speaker 6: Hither.

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Speaker 2: If a male librarian gets paid the same as a

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Speaker 2: Nicholas, I had to think about it. Turns out Nicholas

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Speaker 2: I still don't care about this. Do you care about this?

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Speaker 2: I mean, technically it's not good and blah blah blah

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Speaker 2: labor oia A labour's done the Official Information Act request.

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Speaker 3: Last Night no elas Night.

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Speaker 1: Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've caught up on it, but oh,

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Speaker 2: Many of them will never have written a three hour exam,

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on youth talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nana who has promised a renewed

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Speaker 11: You have far right members in this government will still

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Speaker 2: In Australia, Liberal senator says the party was let down

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Speaker 2: And finally some bad news for Donald Trump and his

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Speaker 2: plan to reopen Alcatraz Prison of Fox News at legal

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Speaker 2: analyst says, the islander is federal land, so the government

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Speaker 13: But it'd have to be rebuilt almost entirely, and so

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Speaker 3: You know, don't forget.

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Speaker 1: This is California International Correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance,

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Speaker 1: peace of mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Marie Old's Australia Correspondents with us.

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Speaker 4: Heyms, good to you.

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Speaker 2: Who is going to succeed, doesn't well.

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Speaker 14: It's a good question who on earth would want the job?

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Speaker 14: it's never been this bad since Mensis Sir Robert Menzie

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Speaker 4: Looks a bit like this.

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Speaker 14: Eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven seats to Labor, fewer

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Speaker 14: And you say, who's going to lead it? As I said,

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Speaker 14: God here it's as though he's been doing push ups

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Speaker 14: under a park car. Just sounds like a dummy. And

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Speaker 14: whenever he was asked about any economic policies at all,

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Speaker 14: he had nothing to say. In fact, he and Dutton

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Speaker 14: with about you know, they put them up almost exclusively.

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Speaker 14: He had nothing to say in order Peter Dutton, and

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Speaker 14: you look at who voted for whom. You've got all

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Speaker 14: the women, all the young voters, all the migrants. They

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Speaker 14: went labor big time. I mean, who's voting for Dutton.

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Speaker 14: It's a small it's a tied to the right wing

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Speaker 14: rump of wealthy sixty seventy eighty year olds, and they're diminishing,

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Speaker 14: dropping off the twig and all the ansters are coming through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I take your point. It's not a bad one.

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Speaker 2: Do you see what the West pap boss has said

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Speaker 2: that the cost of living crisis is behind us?

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Speaker 14: Well, yeah, I mean he had some pretty good figures

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Speaker 14: he took over. His name is where his name? I've

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Speaker 14: got it here. Anthony Miller, thank you very much. I

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Speaker 14: knew I had no margin. He took over December first,

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Speaker 14: first six months three point three billion dollars profit, so

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Speaker 14: he started in the right note.

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Speaker 4: The market didn't like it that much, want more.

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Speaker 14: But indeed, mister Miller has said listen, Labour's re election

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Speaker 14: is not only good for the government, but it provides

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Speaker 14: consistency and certainty for Australia both domestically and abroad. And

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Speaker 14: he says the government must use its mandate. That's a

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Speaker 14: huge mandate, heathern As you can appreciate a huge mandate.

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Speaker 14: And what Miller is saying now from Westpac, the government's

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Speaker 14: got to use this wisely. He says, Labor's got the

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Speaker 14: chance to drive the economy by, for example, by boosting productivity.

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Speaker 14: That's one big handbreak over here. That's a national challenge.

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Speaker 14: It's got to seek ways as well, he says, to

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Speaker 14: reduce our reliance on China by far best country's biggest

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Speaker 14: trading partner. And he says, listen, there's going to be

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Speaker 14: an interest rate cup they think at a fortnite when

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Speaker 14: the Reserve Bank meets. That's going to also, you know,

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Speaker 14: contribute to the feeling of optimism over here, but a

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Speaker 14: lot of other people, apart from mister Miller, are saying listen,

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Speaker 14: be ambitious. In the second term. You need tax reform,

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Speaker 14: significant tax reform. The GST on you know, the tax

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Speaker 14: everyone pays on everything isn't cut. It's not raising enough money.

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Speaker 14: You have to broaden that base, maybe reduce personal income

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Speaker 14: taxes a bit, but you have to look at structural reform.

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Speaker 14: Housing is the single biggest issue over here, biting everyone

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Speaker 14: on the backside. Young people can't get into the market

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Speaker 14: head there and they're screaming. They want some belief. They

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Speaker 14: want someone to say this is the way forward. They

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Speaker 14: certainly didn't think complete Dutton had it.

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Speaker 4: That's for sure.

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Speaker 2: That's for sure. That's what the older outcome would suggest.

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Speaker 4: Mars.

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Speaker 2: It's good to talk to you. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: as always, Murray Old's Australia correspondent Heather Handwriting legibility is

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Speaker 2: going to be a big problem for the exams as well,

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Speaker 2: which is a fair point actually, isn't it. Because if

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Speaker 2: you're not very good at the old handwriting, if you

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Speaker 2: haven't been practicing at all, which is what these kids

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Speaker 2: haven't been doing, can you imagine it's just going to

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Speaker 2: be like looking at doctor's notes, but for three hours.

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Speaker 2: This and the met Gala is happening today. This is

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Speaker 2: a big one for the fashionistas and people who like

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Speaker 2: looking at pictures of celebrities on their computers. Stunning outfits, obviously,

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Speaker 2: none of which will ever be worn again, or which

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Speaker 2: you would ever like. If somebody walk down the street

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Speaker 2: in one of those outfits, you'd probably call them mental

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Speaker 2: health police, do you know what I mean? Because it's

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Speaker 2: pretty wacky stuff that they're wearing. Anyway, the news out

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Speaker 2: of there's always something that happens at the Met Gala.

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Speaker 2: The news is that Rihanna is pregnant again for the

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Speaker 2: third time to Asap Rocky and honestly she's carrying them all,

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Speaker 2: which is you know that is that's an achievement. In

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Speaker 2: modern celebrities, they like to pay other people to have

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Speaker 2: their babies. I want to stretch everything, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? But not Rihanna. She's like, nap, those are

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Speaker 2: my babies in my belly. Lord was there as well.

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Speaker 2: She was looking.

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Speaker 14: I'd give her a.

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Speaker 2: I felt that the color washed her out. It was

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Speaker 2: sort of like a like a like a crap turquoise,

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Speaker 2: but like a like a really like turquoise that had

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Speaker 2: been kind of washed through with gray. It wasn't a

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Speaker 2: great color for her anyway. She was there because she's

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Speaker 2: got publicity for the upcoming album. That's what that is.

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Speaker 2: That's a little bit of getting a bit of attention

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Speaker 2: and white lotus. All the stars with their Patrick Swats

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Speaker 2: and Nagar and the one with the teeth and the

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Speaker 2: one with the teeth's boyfriend with the great greasy hair.

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Speaker 2: Now here's the thing, I guess. So I went down

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Speaker 2: a rabbit hole today looking at this. Did you know,

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Speaker 2: because I didn't know this, did you know that the

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Speaker 2: one with the teeth apparently has had a falling out

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Speaker 2: with the greasy haired boyfriend In real life, they're not

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Speaker 2: really boyfriend and girlfriend, obviously, they're actors, but they seem

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Speaker 2: to have had a falling out because he gave an

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Speaker 2: interview yesterday and somebody was asking him about her Amy

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Speaker 2: lou Wood or whatever her name is, and he shut

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Speaker 2: the interview down like he just got really pissy about

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Speaker 2: it and then stormed off. And then everybody realized that

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Speaker 2: unfollowed each other on the socials, which means they're having

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Speaker 2: some sort of a row. She tried to kind of

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Speaker 2: cover it up today and be decent about it, because

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Speaker 2: like her character, I think that she in real life

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Speaker 2: is also a decent person. But anyway, there's the drama there.

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Speaker 2: And also, did you know I thought that that hair

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Speaker 2: was just for the show because Ho would look in

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Speaker 2: the mirror and be like, hmm, looking good today. No,

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Speaker 2: that's his real life hair. Oh hideous.

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Speaker 1: Quarter two Politics with Centrics Credit check your customers and

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Speaker 2: Certainty twelve away from five and Jason Wool's our political

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Speaker 3: Jason, afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: No decision on the Privileges Committee and the Hukka.

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Speaker 3: No, not yet.

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Speaker 15: We were told by committee Chair Judith Collins just moments ago,

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Speaker 15: or right about half an hour ago, that the committee's

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Speaker 15: decision has been delayed till eight thirty pm tomorrow. In fact,

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Speaker 15: that's when they're going to be meeting. So it's likely

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Speaker 15: going to be a lot after eight thirty tomorrow. A

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Speaker 15: lot of this is because you know, the House ran

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Speaker 15: a little bit long today, so the meeting was pushed back.

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Speaker 15: But just moments before the Privileges Committee was supposed to

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Speaker 15: meet TI Party Marty, who the Privileges Committee is meeting

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Speaker 15: about about the hakka in the House during the first

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Speaker 15: reading of the Treatise Principles Bill, TI Party Marty actually

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Speaker 15: leaked a recommendation from the Privileges Committee about what some

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Speaker 15: of the things that they're considering in terms of the punishment.

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Speaker 2: Is that what the poll is that they're running on

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Speaker 2: the Facebook page, So.

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Speaker 15: They're doing it a bit tongue in cheek to say,

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Speaker 15: I wonder what it's going to be. So basically the

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Speaker 15: options are so the MP's before the committee are Hannah

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Speaker 15: Rapt the Mighty Clock and it says that her punishment

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Speaker 15: that the committee is looking into severely censuring her by

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Speaker 15: the House or suspending her from the House for seven days.

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Speaker 15: When it comes to Debbie Nadi Warepacker, the options are

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Speaker 15: the same, but the suspension for seven, fourteen or twenty

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Speaker 15: one days. And it's the same for Arawi y Tity.

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Speaker 15: So you're not allowed to do you know, you're not

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Speaker 15: allowed to do this. The Privileges Committee is like Vegas.

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Speaker 15: What happens in Privileges Committee stays in Privileges Committee.

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Speaker 3: So they're not happy that this has been leaked.

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Speaker 15: My colleague Azaria Howe spoke to Judith Collins before she

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Speaker 15: went in and specifically asked her about what Tea Party

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Speaker 15: Marty had posted.

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Speaker 16: This is not something we've seen before.

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Speaker 2: I have just seen a copy of that through.

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Speaker 15: To the Privileges Committee somebody else that was there that

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Speaker 15: was not happy, as one Winston Raymond Peters.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 9: Just shows a contempt for parliamentary process, That's what that shows.

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Speaker 15: So I think that if they were kind of on

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Speaker 15: the fence as to the suspension between seven and fourteen

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Speaker 15: or twenty one days before, I think this has really

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Speaker 15: helped push them over the edge a little bit.

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Speaker 3: So hopefully we'll get something tomorrow.

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Speaker 15: And you'll remember, Heather, Tomorrow was supposed to be the

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Speaker 15: day that Tea Party Marty had its own sort of

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Speaker 15: Privileges Committee adjacent hearing, which is it has no legal

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Speaker 15: binding and it doesn't supersede what the Privileges Committee is

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Speaker 15: supposed to do. I've heard nothing about it. I've been

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Speaker 15: trying to get in contact with Tea Party Marty all

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Speaker 15: day to get some information on that one, but so

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Speaker 15: far not a sausage.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It's also to me, though, why is why would Debby

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Speaker 2: and the Raweri be suspended for face it? Why are

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Speaker 2: they facing a harsher punishment than Hannah.

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Speaker 15: Oh, I think it would be the preceding And this

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Speaker 15: is I'm just speculating. And again I mean me even

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Speaker 15: commenting on this leak is it could be seen as

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Speaker 15: a breach of privilege here.

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Speaker 2: So this is just my actual punishment.

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Speaker 15: And well clearly not, but essentially because of all the

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Speaker 15: subsequent breaches to their Privileges Committee.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this isn't the first time that they've done

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Speaker 3: something that they're.

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Speaker 2: Not supposed to. So is it that that Hannah's getting

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Speaker 2: in trouble for the hacker? But they're getting in trouble

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Speaker 2: for the hacker and just their history.

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Speaker 15: That's what That's what I would think. And technically they're

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Speaker 15: not in trouble for the Hakker. They're in trouble for

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Speaker 15: standing on the House floor and approaching David Seymour. But

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Speaker 15: there's a lot that we have to infer because Privileges

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Speaker 15: Committee are so secret, secret, in hush.

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Speaker 2: Hush, Jesus, people are getting themselves tied up in knots

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Speaker 2: of this pay equity thing, aren't they.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean it's something that you would imagine that

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Speaker 15: the government would come under enormous scrutiny for the unions

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Speaker 15: were out in force today as with the opposition. Have

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Speaker 15: a listened to what Chris Hopkins had to say in

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Speaker 15: the House today.

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Speaker 12: Why should women across New Zealand be the sacrificial lambs

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Speaker 12: in this year's budget being told they have to accept

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Speaker 12: lower pay for the same value work compared to their

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Speaker 12: male counterparts.

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Speaker 15: And Carmel Sapaloni, his deputy, was also quite fired up

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Speaker 15: in the House.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone should be mistaken.

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Speaker 17: This is a war on women, Madam Speaker.

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Speaker 15: So essentially this is Brook van Velden announcing a major

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Speaker 15: overhaul of the pay equity regime once the legislation has passed,

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Speaker 15: and it's happening in the House right now under urgency.

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Speaker 15: It will make it tougher for people to take pay

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Speaker 15: equity claims that are twenty twenty regime allowed in sectors

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Speaker 15: with large female workforces to argue that they were underpaid

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Speaker 15: relative to similar work done in sectors dominated by men.

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Speaker 15: Now here's luxon explaining why the government's doing this.

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Speaker 18: Well, what we're doing here is making sure that we

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Speaker 18: actually have a process that's more robust, workable and sustainable.

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Speaker 18: We're making sure the the Act and the practice has

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Speaker 18: moved away from what it was intended to deal with

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Speaker 18: sex based discrimination and to a much broader set of

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Speaker 18: issues around labor market conditions and other things.

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Speaker 3: So essentially it's not fit for purpose.

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Speaker 15: And listen, you could tell that the government was really

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Speaker 15: worried about this one today because Luxon actually fronted up

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Speaker 15: to what we call the bridge run on Tuesday, which

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Speaker 15: is we grab the ministers before they go into the house.

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Speaker 15: He doesn't usually come to that one, but he came

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Speaker 15: today just to answer some questions. It was very helpful

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Speaker 15: of them. And meanwhile, Nicola Willis, Judith Collins, Louise Upston,

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Speaker 15: and Nicola Gregg along with Ericus Stamfit all turned up

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Speaker 15: together in as sort of a joint press conference to

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Speaker 15: see why it was that they were supporting this bill.

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Speaker 15: So they're very much feeling the pressure on this hold

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Speaker 15: out all the ladies.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you for that. Appreciated Jason. That's Jason Woll's,

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Speaker 2: our political editor. Thank you. Somebody's pointed out what Lord

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Speaker 2: was wearing at the met gala was supposed to look

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Speaker 2: like duct tape, So if you know what the gray

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Speaker 2: duct tape looks like, then you know, just imagine that,

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Speaker 2: just roll like tape tape tape tape tape of great

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Speaker 2: gray duct tape. Lord's Outfit seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough question to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 7: Sir John Key, as well as do we know where

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Speaker 7: the puck is going?

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Speaker 1: When we've got a bloke in America who's changing the

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Speaker 1: rules literally on a daily basis.

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Speaker 19: To describe as unpredictable would be an understatement. But he's

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Speaker 19: put on these massive tarifs and what did they get?

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Speaker 19: An enormous vomits from the stock market. But here's the

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Speaker 19: best predictor, I think the market, and that is the

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Speaker 19: markets themselves. They are not buying that he's leaving massive

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Speaker 19: tariffs on. When you put them on, they get a

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Speaker 19: chillbrall reaction. That's not been the situation for the last

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Speaker 19: twelve days. So at least people are pretty smart and

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Speaker 19: they've worked out that he's going to negotiate some solution.

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Speaker 1: Back tomorrow at six am, The Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 1: the rain Drove of Alarm Newstalk.

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Speaker 2: ZB four away from five. Here, how strange it is

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Speaker 2: that the Labor Party doesn't know what a woman is

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Speaker 2: when it comes to pay, or does know what a

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Speaker 2: woman is when it comes to pay, but when it

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Speaker 2: comes to sport they have no idea the chip you

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Speaker 2: can't even define what a woman is. So his grand

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Speaker 2: standing today was rather ironic. It is this is a

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Speaker 2: fair point. This is a fair point in one that

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Speaker 2: is noted. Oh, we're very happy about We're very happy

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Speaker 2: to not define women until it suits us to define

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Speaker 2: women and try to get them pay claims because we're

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Speaker 2: tied up to the unions. Okay, this is not going

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Speaker 2: to be a popular opinion, but I am finding the

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Speaker 2: Malori Party quite amusing at the moment. That is quite

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Speaker 2: funny what they're doing. I mean, base, it is funny.

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Speaker 2: Don't you think it is funny that they It is

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Speaker 2: quite funny. They have got themselves the list of what

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Speaker 2: punishments they're going to get, and they've put it up

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Speaker 2: on Facebook page and they're taking a they're basically getting

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Speaker 2: you to guess which punishment's coming their way via a poll.

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Speaker 2: That is quite funny. Basically, what they're doing is making

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Speaker 2: a mockery of Parliament's rules. Right, there's no point in

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Speaker 2: having rules unless you're going to enforce those rules, and

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Speaker 2: Parliament really cannot enforce any of its dumb rules. Expects

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Speaker 2: people to be decent, to behave like good people, and

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Speaker 2: you know it's obviously they're not good people at the

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Speaker 2: Marty Party, they're just clowns. But sometimes watching clowns act

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Speaker 2: up is quite funny, isn't it, Like I say, not

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Speaker 2: popular Brook van Valden.

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Speaker 6: Next to your home wor.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story? Gooring,

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Speaker 1: it's hither dupasy on drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 9: That'd be afternoon.

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Speaker 2: The government is halting all pay equity claims. It's overhauling

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Speaker 2: the system and so all thirty three current claims will

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Speaker 2: be stopped and we'll have to reapply under these new rules.

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Speaker 2: Now this has sparked significant criticism from unions and opposition parties.

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Speaker 2: Today Brook van Velden is the Workplace Relations Minister and

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Speaker 2: with us Now, Hey Brook, hello Heather, what's brought this on?

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Speaker 8: Well, when I first entered into government, I made it

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Speaker 8: really clear to the Prime Minister and to my colleagues

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Speaker 8: that I wanted to potentially see some changes to the

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Speaker 8: Equal Pay Act to make the equity system more robust

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Speaker 8: and more workable and sustainable. Became clear to me at

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Speaker 8: the end of last year that there was appetite within

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Speaker 8: my cabinet to do this, and you know, I think

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Speaker 8: it's pretty clear that there was impetus, and so that's

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Speaker 8: what's making the change.

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Speaker 2: How many of the thirty three that are currently underway

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Speaker 2: will qualify do you think to reapply under the new rules.

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Speaker 8: It's really hard to say. Everyone would have to bring

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Speaker 8: a claim based on the merits of their arguments under

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Speaker 8: the new thresholds, and so I can't speak for if

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Speaker 8: all of them would be successful or whether or not

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Speaker 8: they would have merit. But that's what is designed by

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Speaker 8: this new system, is that they would have to prove

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Speaker 8: that there's seventy percent of the workforce female, that's been

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Speaker 8: female dominated for ten years and been historically dominated, and

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Speaker 8: that they can find comparators either within that same workforce

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Speaker 8: or than the same sector that has a male dominated profession.

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Speaker 8: So they have been discriminated against, so will you comparison

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Speaker 8: to them?

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Speaker 2: So it has to be within the same sector. This

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Speaker 2: will stop the librarians, for example, comparing themselves to transport engineers.

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Speaker 8: That's exactly right. You know, we've seen some claims where

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Speaker 8: you've got adminent clerical staff comparing themselves to mechanical engineers,

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Speaker 8: and social workers comparing themselves to air traffic controllers. And

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Speaker 8: I'm bringing a little bit more reality back to what

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Speaker 8: we're seeing under pay equity that we want to look

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Speaker 8: at genuine gender based discrimination, and that means starting at home,

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Speaker 8: looking at with you within your own workforce, and if

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Speaker 8: you can't find that within your own company, looking at

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Speaker 8: similar companies, and then looking within the industry. But we

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Speaker 8: shouldn't be fishing for gender based discrimination.

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Speaker 2: How much are you saving as a result of this?

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Speaker 8: Oh? Look, I can't get into specific numbers, but.

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Speaker 2: I've heard that you are saving more than ten billion

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Speaker 2: dollars over four years. Is that wrong?

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Speaker 8: What I can say is that there will be billions

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Speaker 8: of dollars of savings, because if.

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Speaker 2: You're not denying it, if you're not denying that it's

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Speaker 2: ten billion dollars over four years, I'm going to assume

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Speaker 2: it's ten more than ten billion dollars over four years.

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Speaker 14: You know that?

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Speaker 8: Ah, I do know you hear there, But look, I

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Speaker 8: don't have the ability to say what the specific budget

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Speaker 8: figures are. What is it that there is significant?

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Speaker 2: Is it the biggest the single biggest saving in budget

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 8: Look, I can't confirm that either, but I can tell

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Speaker 8: you that there will be savings in the magnitude of

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Speaker 8: billions and that there will be a significant reduction in

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Speaker 8: the cost of the crown. But I also do want

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Speaker 8: to make it clear that it's not my overriding reason

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Speaker 8: for doing this. I genuinely believe that there have been

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Speaker 8: errors in our pay equity system that need resolving, tightening

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Speaker 8: those comparators, making sure that we're focusing on genuine gender

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Speaker 8: based discrimination, not things like changes to inflation and changes

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Speaker 8: to labor market forces between industries. This is about discrimination

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Speaker 8: between men and women, and I do support us resolve

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Speaker 8: in that issue.

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Speaker 2: If this isn't being done for the budget, why are

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Speaker 2: you doing it under urgency today? Like if you actually

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Speaker 2: genuinely had believed it, and I don't doubt that you did,

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Speaker 2: But why haven't you done it previous previously or you know,

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Speaker 2: after the budget.

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Speaker 8: Oh, there's a couple of reasons. It was clear that

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Speaker 8: you know, I had support at this particular juncture in

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Speaker 8: time from across cabinet to get my work done. That's

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Speaker 8: also true. But there's also the case that I didn't

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Speaker 8: want to have two different systems running exactly at the

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Speaker 8: same time, which is why we're stopping the current claims

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Speaker 8: and saying you can start again under the new thresholds.

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Speaker 8: I did believe it would be messy to have some

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Speaker 8: continue under old thresholds and new ones continuing under the

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Speaker 8: new thresholds. So that's why we're doing it as quickly

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Speaker 8: as we can.

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Speaker 2: All right, Brook, thanks very much, really appreciated, Brook van

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Speaker 2: Valden workplace Relations minister. So heard it was more than

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Speaker 2: ten billion dollars over four years. Heard it was the

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Speaker 2: single biggest saving in the budget. She didn't disabuse us

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Speaker 2: of that. So I guess we're just going to believe

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Speaker 2: that until somebody does twelve past five.

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Speaker 1: Hell du see Allen.

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Speaker 2: If somebody needs to, because it might well be true. Now,

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Speaker 2: the Israeli government has announced quite a significant escalation and

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Speaker 2: its plans for Gaza. It has announced it plans to

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Speaker 2: reoccupy the Gaza Strip, relocate the population there to the south,

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Speaker 2: and then destroy all of Hamas's infrastructure, both above and

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Speaker 2: below ground. Now doctor Leon Goldsmith is a Middle East

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Speaker 2: expert at Otago University and with US now Haley.

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Speaker 20: On Good Morning, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: What kind of a place is Gars are going to

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Speaker 2: be after they do this.

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Speaker 20: It's already pretty apocalyptic catastrophe, so yes, it's only going

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Speaker 20: to get worse. I was talked to my Palestinian friend

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Speaker 20: in Doha the other day and there's just nothing left

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Speaker 20: of Gaza City where he's from. So in terms of

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Speaker 20: the destruction, this is not a good sign. But I

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Speaker 20: think that what's happening here is there's really three things

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Speaker 20: that the Israeli's haven in their mind here. As one

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Speaker 20: as to mop up the remainder of the resistance access

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Speaker 20: in terms of a security outlock, I think that there

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Speaker 20: was a missile that got through and nearly hit Benarian

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Speaker 20: Airport two days ago, so they still see a major

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Speaker 20: threat to their security. So this is one of the

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Speaker 20: first things that they're trying to do. And the other

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Speaker 20: thing is obviously the hostages that they see that this

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Speaker 20: is some kind of a plan to try and separate

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Speaker 20: her mass from the popitage population and hopefully try and

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Speaker 20: squeeze them to release the loughs. But you know, seventy

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Speaker 20: percent of his Israelis. This is the major consideration the hostages.

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Speaker 4: So this is this.

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Speaker 20: Betrayal hostages because they don't think that this is going

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Speaker 20: to lead to their safe release.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Leon, do you think that, I mean, is

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Speaker 2: anybody going to move back once they actually destroy the infrastructure,

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Speaker 2: which presumably is going to destroy everything around it, Is

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Speaker 2: anybody gonna want to move back?

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Speaker 20: Well? I don't know. It's really it's incredible the resilient

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Speaker 20: people there after, you know, the opportunity to go back

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Speaker 20: north occurred, did actually go back and troll their properties

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Speaker 20: and their livelihoods. But you know that, I don't think

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Speaker 20: the Israelis if they put this plan in place, and

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Speaker 20: there's no guarantee that they will because they're waiting to

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Speaker 20: get the green light from Trump when he arrives here

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Speaker 20: in the region in a few days. But I think

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Speaker 20: that if they put this plan in place, they will

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Speaker 20: not allow Palestinian's freedom of movement back towards the North.

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Speaker 20: I think basically they've corral them what to do from there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, lee on, we'll have to leave at their

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Speaker 2: phone lines, Dodgy. I really appreciate it. Doctor Leon Goldsmith,

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Speaker 2: University of Otago Department of Politics. By the way, speaking

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Speaker 2: to us from Anchor, hence the dodgy Lineen Thomas Mashie

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Speaker 2: will have heard this in the news. The com miss

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Speaker 2: Commission has just filed criminal charges just broken in the

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Speaker 2: last few minutes, maybe like twenty minutes or so, filed

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Speaker 2: criminal charges against Woolworth's New Zealand for alleged inaccurate prices

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Speaker 2: and misleading specials. Now, apparently this has got to do

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Speaker 2: with the in store ticketing. So that's you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: assuming that those that you know, when you go up

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Speaker 2: to the shelf and you've got the underneath calogs it

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Speaker 2: says calogs twelve dollars or whatever. It's that little electronic

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Speaker 2: ticketing thing that changes. There seem to be problems with that.

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Speaker 2: duplus Allen heather Off. Librarians feel that they should be

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Speaker 2: paid like someone in another industry than they should go

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Speaker 2: and do their job in the other industry. Pay equity

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Speaker 2: should only about men, be about men and women doing

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Speaker 2: the same job. Everything else is just a crop. Thank you, Dave,

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Speaker 2: nineteen past five. Now it turns out that both Nikolaules

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Speaker 2: and christ Bishop have also been doing the same thing

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Speaker 2: as Erica Stanford and using their personal email accounts for

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Speaker 2: the government communications they're not supposed to. Obviously, it's a

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Speaker 2: breach of the Cabinet manual. Nadia Yousef is a data

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Speaker 2: security expert with the SISO Lens and with US. Now, Hey, Nadia, Hi,

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Speaker 2: how are you. I'm very well, thank you. How unsafe

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Speaker 2: is this? How much is the stressing you out?

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Speaker 14: Well?

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Speaker 21: This is I think this is really interesting and we

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Speaker 21: saw a lot of talk about this obviously in Hillary

914
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Speaker 21: Clinton's campaign as well. You know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 21: talk about Gmail, and I think what's really important to

916
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Speaker 21: address is that web mail providers like Gmail and Outlook

917
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Speaker 21: aren't actually insecure services if you use them with a

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Speaker 21: strong and unique password and multi factor authentication. It's just

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Speaker 21: not the best mechanism for you know, government information to

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Speaker 21: be cheared through.

921
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Speaker 2: I thought that they didn't have end to end encryption

922
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Speaker 2: and that that was material to this whole thing.

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Speaker 21: What happens in the back end is you know a

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Speaker 21: little bit a little bit different for everything. But the

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Speaker 21: really important the reason that these organizations have IT teams

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Speaker 21: that provide you know, their own internal networks and things

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Speaker 21: like that, is so that they can keep control of

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Speaker 21: these documents and they can understand who's accessing them. They

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Speaker 21: can make sure that all users have good, strong passwords

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Speaker 21: and multi factor set up as well. So you know,

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Speaker 21: organizations like this have control over these kinds of documents

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Speaker 21: and an audit trail when they're kept on their own system,

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Speaker 21: which is why they don't all use their personal email.

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Speaker 2: I see now, Nadia. So for me, as just a

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Speaker 2: punter out there, I thought that WhatsApp was the most

936
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Speaker 2: secure and if you were going to send you know,

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Speaker 2: dodgy texts at dodgy messages, you wanted to use the

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Speaker 2: WhatsApp and not the Gmail. Have I been completely misled

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Speaker 2: this whole time?

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Speaker 21: I would say that they're all third party provided services,

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Speaker 21: and we've seen over the last few years that you know,

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Speaker 21: lots of different services have been compromised at lots of

943
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Speaker 21: different times. So I would say nothing is infallible and

944
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Speaker 21: once it's being sent over the internet, it should be

945
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Speaker 21: considered that way. And saying that long str and unique passwords,

946
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Speaker 21: and it's something we talk about all the time and

947
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Speaker 21: everyone's absolutely sick of hearing it. But they are the

948
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Speaker 21: silver bullet with multi factor, that's the thing that will

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Speaker 21: keep you most secure of anything.

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Speaker 2: Nadia, thank you very much. Nadia Usef Siso, Len's country

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Speaker 2: manager and data security expert. Hang on to Heather, wasn't

952
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Speaker 2: Nikola Willis on the record last night on your show

953
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Speaker 2: saying she doesn't really send emails. Yes, she was, Chris,

954
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Speaker 2: but we've already talked about that. She has gone back

955
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Speaker 2: and realized she did send one email, just the one

956
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Speaker 2: from the work account to the private account in order

957
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Speaker 2: to print it in the hotel room. That's that's what

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Speaker 2: happens there.

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Speaker 1: Five twenty two Informed Inside into Today's issues. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news.

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Speaker 2: Talks that'd be wow, national and Coheather are truly out

962
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Speaker 2: of touch on the parity issue. How petty? Thank you? Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm loving it. I can see all

964
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Speaker 2: the logic here. Still, you can still do the pay

965
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Speaker 2: equity if you want to. You just can't compare yourself

966
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Speaker 2: if you're a librarian with a traffic engineer, which seems

967
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Speaker 2: to me like that's log Those are not even similar

968
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Speaker 2: jobs at all. It's a logical thing for Brooke to

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Speaker 2: do this. I would have thought five to twenty five. Listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry to do this though, I've got a call

971
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Speaker 2: BS on National. I have got a call BS on

972
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Speaker 2: National pretending that it wants to do something about banning

973
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Speaker 2: the kids from the social media. I'm sorry to do

974
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Speaker 2: this because I read that, I saw that they were

975
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Speaker 2: submitting legislation this morning. I got really excited because I

976
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Speaker 2: don't like the social media and I don't like under

977
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Speaker 2: sixteens being on it, and I think it scrambles their brains.

978
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Speaker 2: And I thought, finally the National Party is going to

979
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Speaker 2: do so No, no, not, Actually they're not doing anything

980
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Speaker 2: at all. What they're doing is they're submitting an apparently

981
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Speaker 2: poorly drafted members bill. Now the significance of this is

982
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Speaker 2: that a member's bill goes into the parliamentary biscuit tin

983
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Speaker 2: and it sits there doing nothing until it's pulled out randomly,

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Speaker 2: and a ballot like that can take years for that

985
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Speaker 2: to happen. Now, it doesn't have to be like this

986
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Speaker 2: because the National Party is the lead party in government,

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Speaker 2: so it can do a government bill like it's doing

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Speaker 2: right now with a pay equity a government bill, right,

989
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Speaker 2: you can do it. You can get it past on

990
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Speaker 2: the day if you want to. The problem with that,

991
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Speaker 2: obviously is ACT is not going to support it. But

992
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Speaker 2: ACT is not going to support it because it's badly written,

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Speaker 2: and possibly it's badly written because no one's put in

994
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Speaker 2: much of an effort because it's not actually supposed to

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Speaker 2: become law, is it. It's just supposed to look like

996
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Speaker 2: they're making an effort. So if you're just pretending that

997
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Speaker 2: you don't have to put in that much work. ACT

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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be the death of this idea, though,

999
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Speaker 2: because if National really wanted to do this, they could

1000
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Speaker 2: simply look for cross party support. And that's not unusual

1001
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Speaker 2: and it is not rare in Parliament, happens all the time.

1002
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Speaker 2: In fact, they don't need anyone other than Labor to

1003
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Speaker 2: support this and it would become law, and Labor is

1004
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Speaker 2: open to the idea. Chris Hipkins said that today, said yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm open to it because Labor also, like National, is

1006
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Speaker 2: wanting the votes of parents like myself who want to

1007
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Speaker 2: see the kids come off the social media. So good

1008
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Speaker 2: on National for saying that they want to do something

1009
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Speaker 2: about this, But they're going to get no credit from

1010
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Speaker 2: me on this until they actually do something about this.

1011
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Speaker 2: And popping something into the biscuitin to be forgotten about

1012
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Speaker 2: for years is not I'm sorry doing anything about this ever.

1013
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: Do the sallenge such bad news. The cops have dropped

1014
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Speaker 2: the charges against those three climate protesters from Restore Passenger

1015
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Speaker 2: Rail who were facing the retrial in Wellington. Now you'll

1016
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Speaker 2: remember this. They did the protest where they glued their

1017
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Speaker 2: hands to the ground and climbed the gantries and just

1018
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: did all kinds of like clownish behavior, right, and they'd

1019
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: they'd been charged with endangering transport in the first trial.

1020
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Speaker 2: The jury found one defendant not guilty, and then they

1021
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Speaker 2: couldn't reach a verdict for three other ones, and then

1022
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Speaker 2: they were going to do the old retrial but today

1023
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Speaker 2: the police said the charges have been dropped, and the

1024
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Speaker 2: police put out a statement saying police are disappointed. Not

1025
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Speaker 2: as disappointed as me. Let me tell you this. I

1026
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Speaker 2: wanted to see them charged and chucked in the slammer

1027
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Speaker 2: for a really long time. Anyway, Police are disappointed, they say,

1028
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Speaker 2: they said the challenge for the police in this particular

1029
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Speaker 2: case was that there was insufficient evidence of the danger

1030
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Speaker 2: that resulted from the protesters behavior. To be clear, that

1031
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Speaker 2: does not mean that the danger didn't exist, just that

1032
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Speaker 2: we were unable to demonstrate it to the level required

1033
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Speaker 2: under the legislation. Well, next time, because there will be

1034
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Speaker 2: a next time. There will be a next time with

1035
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Speaker 2: his hand gluers and let's hope we can get them

1036
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Speaker 2: in the slammer. Then headlines next, and then we're going

1037
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Speaker 2: to talk to an AI expert about how to get

1038
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: around it without handwriting.

1039
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Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1040
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Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

1041
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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talk sa'd be.

1042
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Speaker 2: Do the nurses compare themselves to That's a very good question, actually,

1043
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: And we're going to talk to the nurses and this

1044
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Speaker 2: isn't the pay equity stuff. We're talking to the nurses

1045
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 2: after six o'clock, So that is the question I'm going

1046
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Speaker 2: to be asking the huddle standing by at the moment.

1047
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Speaker 2: By the way, if you were listening to Nicola on

1048
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Speaker 2: the show last night, she was talking about the fact

1049
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Speaker 2: that she told us she was going to talk to

1050
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Speaker 2: Thomas Coglan at the Herald and she was going to

1051
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Speaker 2: give them a little teaser of how much money she'd

1052
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Speaker 2: saved a big billion dollar item in the budget. It

1053
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Speaker 2: turns out reading the paper today that it is a

1054
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Speaker 2: billion dollars over four years by basically getting people out

1055
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Speaker 2: of motels and emergency accommodation. You'll remember this this they

1056
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Speaker 2: had set a target, a government had set a target

1057
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Speaker 2: of getting that number down to only twenty five percent

1058
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Speaker 2: of what it was because it completely got nuts under

1059
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Speaker 2: the labor government got it down to about twenty five

1060
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Speaker 2: percent of what it was. Meant to do it by

1061
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty, but actually did it last year. So six

1062
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Speaker 2: years early and there's a billion dollar saving. And I

1063
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Speaker 2: think we can all agree paying for people to stay

1064
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Speaker 2: in motels was never a good idea at all. Twenty

1065
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Speaker 2: four away from six now Victoria University students. Well, they're

1066
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 2: apparently shocked because they're going to be forced to rewrite

1067
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Speaker 2: their exams next month by hand. It's not everyone, it's

1068
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Speaker 2: just the students of two papers and third year law

1069
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Speaker 2: and it's basically to try and get around AI.

1070
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Speaker 8: Now.

1071
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Speaker 2: Danny Beddingfield is an expert in AI usage in education.

1072
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Speaker 2: Hey Danny, Hi, Ever, Danny, it seems to me that

1073
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Speaker 2: it's probably one of the only ways to get around

1074
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Speaker 2: the AI right to do handwriting or to do oral exams.

1075
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Speaker 2: Is it about right.

1076
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Speaker 4: At the moment?

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Speaker 22: Unfortunately? Yes, you know, you would like to think that

1078
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Speaker 22: you've got tools that will predict or be able to

1079
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Speaker 22: detect this, but unfortunately there's nothing reliable out.

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Speaker 4: There at the moment.

1081
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Speaker 3: Why not?

1082
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Speaker 22: I guess the meaning is, you know, artificial intelligence is

1083
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Speaker 22: designed to mimic human behavior, and every time you put

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Speaker 22: a prompt into an AI tool, it literally will produce

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Speaker 22: something different, even if the prompt is exactly the same,

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Speaker 22: because it's rewritten by the AI tool every single time,

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Speaker 22: and we'll use different sources and different ways of writing

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Speaker 22: every time it writes it.

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Speaker 2: So if there's an I mean, do you think into

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Speaker 2: the future going to be impossible to try and track

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Speaker 2: it down. We just need to basically accept.

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Speaker 22: That, I think absolutely. I think the problem at the

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Speaker 22: moment is that we're still trying to think in old

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Speaker 22: school ways. We're still trying to be able to detect

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Speaker 22: cheating by using essays and just passing them through a

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Speaker 22: number of different softwares. But there's always been ways of

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Speaker 22: kind of getting around that if the student was savvy

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Speaker 22: enough to and had the want to investigate ways online

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Speaker 22: to be able to do it.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that we basically need to acknowledge that

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Speaker 2: kids are going to be using AI, We are going

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Speaker 2: to be using AI, and we need to incorporate into

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Speaker 2: just incorporated into what they're doing at university.

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Speaker 22: Absolutely, Look people in university, people in high school. Now

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Speaker 22: it's going to be a tool of choice that they're

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Speaker 22: going to be using when they leave, when they lead

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Speaker 22: the education and go into the real world. So I

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Speaker 22: think we should be using it more as a learning tool,

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Speaker 22: something that has the great ability to help improve processes

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Speaker 22: and save time and make us more productive. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 22: at the moment, our education system isn't set up to

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Speaker 22: assess in different ways, And I think that's what's got

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Speaker 22: to change the way that we assess our students.

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Speaker 2: Danny, thanks very much, really appreciated. Danny Beddingfield AI and

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Speaker 2: Education experts. Twenty one away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find you

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Speaker 1: all one of a kind.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle this evening, We've got Morris Williamson Auckland

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Speaker 2: Council obviously former National Party minister and Ali Jones read

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Speaker 2: pr and christ Church Local Board Meaner Hollore you two.

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Speaker 16: Good a good evening, Heather, and good evening Ali.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Marris Marris wa did you of the pay equity announcement.

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Speaker 16: I think it's a sensible move because they're not getting

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Speaker 16: rid of pay equity. Pay equity will be here to stay.

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Speaker 16: But it's how you do the comparators. And I've had

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Speaker 16: a number of companies and employers raise it with me

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Speaker 16: along the way, saying that the ludicrous comparator of some

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Speaker 16: staff they've got with another occupation I think. I I mean,

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Speaker 16: I've heard the Minister in the House today saying that

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Speaker 16: Health New Zealand and the clerical staff were being compared

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Speaker 16: to mechanical engineers. Health New Zealand librarians to transport engineers,

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00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 16: and the one I love was Oranga tamariki social workers

1134
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Speaker 16: to air traffic controllers. There's just lunacy, geer lunacy. So

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Speaker 16: the idea of pay equity is good, but make sure

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Speaker 16: you get the comparators sorted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 23: What do you think about it, Ali, Well, there's no

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00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 23: doubt in my mind that the coalition's using this to

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Speaker 23: fund the budget. Absolutely nothing they have said today Luxeon

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00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 23: or van Wolden has made sense. So I heard Christopher

1142
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 23: Luxelon say we're making sure we have a process that

1143
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 23: is more robust, workable and sustainable than what I mean.

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Speaker 23: I have been involved with the College of Midwives pay

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00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 23: equity case. I'm not any longer. The hopes they had

1146
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 23: to jump through the independent, very expensive reports that they

1147
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Speaker 23: had to pay for to get robust and accepted comparators.

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00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 23: And this is also for Marius. The midwives union was huge. Morris,

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Speaker 23: I think you're being incredibly disingenuous when you start talking about,

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Speaker 23: you know, comparing librarians with engineers or so forth. Once

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00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 23: it gets to a negotiation into a court case, as

1152
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Speaker 23: it has with the midwives, you just don't get that

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00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 23: stuff accepted without robust, independent reports, so I think they're

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Speaker 23: actually changing something that doesn't need changing.

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Speaker 2: Who were the midwives comparing themselves to By the way, Allie.

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Speaker 23: That's a good question, and that's one but I haven't

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00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 23: managed to look at and pull up today. But the

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Speaker 23: PwC report, I think it was PwC that did it.

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Speaker 23: They looked at the number of years that someone studies

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Speaker 23: for what their experiences and what their life protection responsibilities

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Speaker 23: are in the work that they do.

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Speaker 2: So there are a whole.

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Speaker 23: Lot of different things that it might have been, for example,

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Speaker 23: a police detective. I'm not sure, don't quote me on that,

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Speaker 23: but it is done in a very scientific, very very

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00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 23: independent and robust waste. So I was curious to hear

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Speaker 23: Brook van Velden say that rubbish to so Allie.

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Speaker 16: Well, those comparators I gave you here that are actually

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Speaker 16: in claims, because I've seen the copies of them and

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Speaker 16: I thought the best one I've seen, I haven't even

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Speaker 16: yes that one use this one. Corrections officers have been

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Speaker 16: used as a comparator for nurses claims, for admin's support

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00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 16: staff claims, and for teacher aids. Now, I don't think

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Speaker 16: they've got anything to do with each other, whether one's

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Speaker 16: better or not, or bigger or less. But I just

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Speaker 16: think to use them as a comparator for the work

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Speaker 16: you do is just wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we don't know that, Morris.

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Speaker 23: That's what the Price Waterhouse Cooper's report does. It looks

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Speaker 23: at how long people study. It looks at their degree

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Speaker 23: of responsibility. It looks at the life protection and the

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Speaker 23: work that they do. It looks at their earnings. We

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Speaker 23: can't sit here as lay people and say, oh, an

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Speaker 23: engineer is nothing like.

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Speaker 3: X y Z.

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Speaker 23: It's got to be done properly. So those claims that

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00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 23: you're talking about are likely, if they don't stack up,

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Speaker 23: to be kicked out. So the process in the system

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Speaker 23: is already there. This is purely to get money that

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Speaker 23: they can put towards the budget, no.

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Speaker 2: Doubt, Allie. In which case, then if the claims will

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Speaker 2: the thirty three claims that have been sopped, they will

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Speaker 2: simply be reapplying presumably under the new rules. It is

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Speaker 2: just deferring the spend, then, isn't it.

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00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 23: Well, yes, it is deferring the spend. But we all

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00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 23: know and Morris will know this too, that when you're

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Speaker 23: working either with long term plans at a city council level,

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Speaker 23: or you're doing it through a budget at a national

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Speaker 23: government level. Being able to defirst, spend and move money

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Speaker 23: around is absolutely key in presenting of the budget. And

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Speaker 23: the point that she made about just starting again, it

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00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 23: was kind of just dropped into conversation. This case that

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00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 23: the midwives have been running has been going for nearly

1204
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 23: a decade. The decision has been reserved for nearly a year,

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Speaker 23: and it has cost them thousands and thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 23: Is that just going to be chucked out the window?

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Speaker 2: And she does, Yes, it will be, won't it? Because

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00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 2: it is retrospective. This law is retrospective, So it stops

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00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 2: everything in its tracks, doesn't it.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, that I don't know, And I've just been in

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Speaker 23: touch with the college head now and she does, well,

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Speaker 23: it's out.

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Speaker 16: It does it retrospect. But how about if you get

1214
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 16: a much better sort of clarity about the comparators and

1215
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 16: the definitions into the legislation and then you don't have

1216
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 16: these wild and swings of there is no way that

1217
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 16: some of these occupations are comparisons.

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Speaker 23: Why does it need to be in the legislation, Morris,

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00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 23: It's in the negotiations, and they vary so much, particularly

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Speaker 23: with women. Where you've got and who one of your

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00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 23: texts say earlier, Heather, Oh you can't compare. You know

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00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 23: what was it a librarian with an engineer. They've got

1223
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 23: to be men and women in the same job. The

1224
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 23: point is most of these professions have got only women

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00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 23: in them. That's what a comparator is for. So I

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00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 23: don't think people actually understand that.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break with you guys. Come

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00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: back and just to take sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand South East International Realty achieve

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00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: extraordinary results with unparallel reach.

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Speaker 2: Back of the huddle, Morris Williams and Ali Jones, Ali,

1232
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: what did you make of the NATS pretending they're going

1233
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Speaker 2: to do something about banning kids from social media?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 23: Look, when you get into the detail of it, I

1236
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 23: think some of the comments that some of the politicians

1237
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 23: have made are fair enough. They're talking about putting some restrictions,

1238
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 23: putting some parameters, putting some controls around it that you know,

1239
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 23: we try and help our kids in many ways in

1240
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 23: their lives in New Zealand, and this is causing a

1241
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 23: huge problem just almost unfettered access to the Internet. So look,

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Speaker 23: I think banning is probably not what they're going to do.

1243
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 23: It all depends what the terms of reference are and

1244
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 23: what the outcomes expected, I think.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you really were going to do something Morris,

1246
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: you wouldn't do it as a member's bill, would you.

1247
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: You do it as good it does as a government bill,

1248
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: or get some crosspases and never gets.

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Speaker 16: Seen again, so it's got your headlined today and you'll

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00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 16: never remember it again. I actually think it's a great idea.

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Speaker 16: I've got very serious concerns about how you make it

1252
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 16: work and how you implemented and how easy it is

1253
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 16: to get around it, because these tech companies will set

1254
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Speaker 16: up new products which won't be called social media products.

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Speaker 16: They'll be streaming service or something else, and you'll still

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Speaker 16: be able to put your material in. I just think

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00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 16: the kids' minds are being warped so badly by social media.

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00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 16: I think it's really changing the world in a really

1259
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 16: bad way. And if there is a way. When my

1260
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 16: kids grow up, we had to try and find a

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Speaker 16: way to blocking the Wi Fi so they couldn't be

1262
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 16: playing on the social media as it was back and

1263
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 16: it was only getting started. In the end, we got

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00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 16: to the point we didn't know how to do it

1265
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 16: because the technology didn't allow in those days. So we

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00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 16: turned the Wi Fi off at about six o'clock at night,

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00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 16: and Raymond would complain to me, I want to go

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Speaker 16: on to the Internet and look, as I said, well,

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Speaker 16: you can't because it's all blocked off so that kids

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Speaker 16: can't get on the wall. I think it's the best

1271
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 16: thing to do is to stop your kids from seeing

1272
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 16: this stuff because they are exposed to garbage on that stuff.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought, Morris, that there's a reasonable number

1274
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: of votes out there from parents, you know, parents like

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00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: yourself who've been through, parents like myself who face the

1276
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: prospect of going through it like there must be a

1277
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: huge number and grandparents, So there must be a huge

1278
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: number of votes in actually doing this properly and getting

1279
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 2: it right correct.

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Speaker 16: And the only way you'll get it right is if

1281
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 16: you do it as a government bill with all the

1282
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 16: necessary advisors in there, and the contestable advice about how

1283
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 16: you make it work, how you get around the tech

1284
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 16: companies trying to skirt around it. Put some penalties in

1285
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 16: place that they can get pinged and stung quite badly

1286
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 16: if they're proven to misbehave because it's a great idea.

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01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 16: I just it's really hard to do, That's all I'm saying.

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01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: Too, right, Hey, Alie, I'm still not even though three

1289
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 2: of them have done it now with the gmails, I'm

1290
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: still not that exercised by it, are you No?

1291
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 17: Not?

1292
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 6: Really?

1293
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 23: Look, this was actually really close to home for me

1294
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 23: because I can't do everything that I need to do

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01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 23: in my elected role with my counselor email. I can't screenshot,

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Speaker 23: I can't copy and paste, and apparently this is all

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Speaker 23: down to security and obviously it's a trust issue as well.

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Speaker 23: I know it's bloody.

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Speaker 2: It's very frustrated.

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Speaker 23: So I have to will I have to forward it

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Speaker 23: to my red pr email and do things from there,

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Speaker 23: which the Council's happy about because then if there's a

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Speaker 23: leak thing though, it's me sending it to my work email.

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Speaker 23: But I know what the frustrations are. What I'm more

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Speaker 23: concerned about is how these ministers aren't able to do

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Speaker 23: the jobs that they are supposed to be doing. How

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Speaker 23: hard is it to make sure you can print.

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Speaker 2: Too, right? I mean the printing issue is something I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what though, Morris, I was thinking, actually I'm

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Speaker 2: quite impressed with I always worry about ministers doing this

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Speaker 2: because I think, are they trying to get around the

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Speaker 2: Official Information Act? But I was quite impressed that actually

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Speaker 2: TVs HA managed to get like a couple of folders

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Speaker 2: that Erica actually gave to them out of her own

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Speaker 2: Gmail account. That's not bad, is it?

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Speaker 9: She's fixing up Heather.

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Speaker 16: I learned about twelve thirteen years ago how to not

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Speaker 16: do this stuff. A stroppy young reporter working for I

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Speaker 16: think the story at TV three stopped me on the

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Speaker 16: bridge walk over and shoved a microphone in my face

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Speaker 16: and said do you use private email? And what the

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Speaker 16: hell's this is that?

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Speaker 9: Of course?

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Speaker 2: Does that mean?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 16: Yes, that's right, it was you.

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Speaker 9: Oh was that?

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Speaker 16: Because?

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Speaker 2: I think I was how embarrassing? Stroppy? This is the

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Speaker 2: right word, but it's why were you in trouble? What

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Speaker 2: were you doing?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 16: No, you were asking every one of them all minsisters

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Speaker 16: were being asked as we walked over did we use

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Speaker 16: private email? And I thought, well, yeah, of course I

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Speaker 16: do private email. I mean, if I'm arranging to have

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Speaker 16: dinner with Ray when I don't use my parliamentary ministerial email.

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Speaker 3: What are you doing?

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Speaker 2: And doing it on email anyway?

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Speaker 9: Why aren't you just calling your wife many times?

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Speaker 16: If you're stuck in a boring meeting and you can't

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Speaker 16: get out to make a phone call or flick an

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Speaker 16: email to somebody, you would really.

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Speaker 2: So would you email? This is interesting. You'd email your

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Speaker 2: wife for a dinner date over texting your wife.

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Speaker 16: No, no, no, no no, not a dinner date, but

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Speaker 16: just to say I'll be back home tonight for dinner.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you're.

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Speaker 23: Still doing it hither, aren't you. Why don't you shove

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Speaker 23: the microphone right up?

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Speaker 2: As I am so fascinated by Morris's private communications. As

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Speaker 2: you can tell years later.

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Speaker 16: You scared them. You scared the bejez on me that

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Speaker 16: day because I thought I had done something wrong. And

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Speaker 16: then it turned out every minister you were stopping and

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Speaker 16: asking them.

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Speaker 2: With just the confidence with which I was approaching it. Obviously, guys,

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Speaker 2: thank you. It's lovely to chat to you. Morris, Williamson

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Speaker 2: and Allie Jones huddle this evening ate away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Heather Morris is talking like a real matematic college man

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Speaker 2: got on him. Now I was just I was scratching

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Speaker 2: my brains trying to remember what he was talking about.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that was back in the days of

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Speaker 2: seven Sharp. Oh yeah, that's right. I worked for seven Sharp.

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Speaker 2: I didn't get this tabloid attitude from nowhere anyway, So

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Speaker 2: back I think it was when I was working back

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Speaker 2: at seven SHARP. I did a story about how you

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Speaker 2: have to be really careful with what it is that

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Speaker 2: you're doing on the public wi fi is like using

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Speaker 2: your Gmail account and stuff like that. A data guy

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Speaker 2: proved it to me. He said to me, come with me,

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Speaker 2: We'll go use a public WiFi somewhere. So we went

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Speaker 2: in all Clinton said at the Altier Center. I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: sure this is the story said at the Altier Center.

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Speaker 2: Hopped up to the public WiFi there and he was like,

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Speaker 2: send an email. So I went into my Gmail account

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Speaker 2: and I sent an email, and he read to me

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Speaker 2: what I had just typed in my email because he

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Speaker 2: was like, he was like, it's just basically a combination

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Speaker 2: of what they look at, these nerdy guys, you know,

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Speaker 2: the data guys. He could see everything I was doing,

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Speaker 2: and he was like, never ever ever, use your bank account.

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Speaker 2: Don't log into your bank account when you're on the

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Speaker 2: public wifis because the people will see what your pin

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Speaker 2: code is. A blah blah. After that, I basically never

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Speaker 2: use public WiFi for anything, like I use it to

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Speaker 2: watch the Netflix. Who cares, But don't go and do

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Speaker 2: your emails because they can actually sit if they can

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Speaker 2: sit there and they can find you, and then they

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Speaker 2: can watch what you're doing. Obviously, nobody cares about you

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Speaker 2: or me because who cares what we're sending in our emails.

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Speaker 2: They're borrying. But if you if somebody's like, oh this

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Speaker 2: Nikola or she's on the Gmail, oh okay, then they're

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Speaker 2: interested in that. By the way, By the way, the opposition,

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Speaker 2: as predicted, is going to town on the pay equity

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Speaker 2: stuff in parliament tonight. They're doing press conferences up the

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Speaker 2: wazoo about it. Here's Julie and Genter.

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Speaker 24: And the thing that really kills me about this is

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Speaker 24: there is no limit to the amount of money these

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Speaker 24: people will spend on a road. There is literally no

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Speaker 24: limits the amount of money they will spend on a road,

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Speaker 24: as if some timac somehow magically creates economic growth. But

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Speaker 24: investing in people doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Only Julian Jenter can turn a debate about paying women

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Speaker 2: something into a debate about rhodes am. I right, here's labors,

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Speaker 2: Ginny Anderson.

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Speaker 25: Because this government is quite happy for them to clean

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Speaker 25: their toilets and clean their flaws and do all their

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Speaker 25: duty work, but they're not prepared to pay them what

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Speaker 25: they're worth. And that is going to come back and

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Speaker 25: bite this government at the next election.

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Speaker 2: Do you want more?

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Speaker 3: Nay, you don't.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, you can see where it is. And they rolled

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Speaker 2: out Megan, They've rolled out everybody. They're like, hey, if

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Speaker 2: you have what do you need to be a woman?

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Speaker 2: Is it a double X chromosome? If you have two

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Speaker 2: X chromosomes and you're in the opposition, can you please

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Speaker 2: come and hold a press conference immediately at how upset

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Speaker 2: you are about this? And women came out. By the way,

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Speaker 2: here's the If you're looking for something to cheer you up,

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Speaker 2: go and look at the video of Prince Louis that's

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Speaker 2: popped up overnight. Prince Louis is the youngest of William's

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Speaker 2: kids that the V Day V Day commemorations, and they're

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Speaker 2: watching the marches and they're sitting at the front there

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Speaker 2: it's it's William and then Louie and then the other one,

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Speaker 2: the one who's going to be King George. And Louie

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Speaker 2: is a handful because he's got middle child, the youngest

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Speaker 2: child vibes hard, he's rolling his eyes. But the absolute

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Speaker 2: best bit is where the future King George. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's preteen, so he's you know, he cares how he looks.

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Speaker 2: And the wind blows his hair and he sort of

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Speaker 2: pushes it back and we Louis spots it and just

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Speaker 2: dramatically does this hair roll on his brother. Just brilliant.

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Speaker 2: The kid is just a star. Go and watch. That'll

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Speaker 2: cheer you up. Talk to the nurses next.

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful things.

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Speaker 1: Oh what's up? What's down? What with a major course

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Speaker 1: and how will it affect the economy? The big business

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Speaker 1: questions on the Business Hour with hither Duplessy Allen and

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Speaker 1: mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future

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Speaker 1: us talk said be evening.

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Speaker 2: Coming up in the next hour, we had Olson on

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Speaker 2: the savings that we're seeing the government's managed to make

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Speaker 2: for Nichola Williss's upcoming budget. Don'tk and grieve on whether

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Speaker 2: Stephen Joyce should be the chair of a media company.

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Speaker 2: Our media company, by the way, and Jamie McKay and

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Speaker 2: Deer Brady out of the UK for us right now,

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Speaker 2: it's seven pass six now. The government, as we've discussed

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Speaker 2: as today, announced a massive overhaul of the pay equity

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Speaker 2: claim system. The current regime allows workers from secors sectors

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Speaker 2: with a large female workforce to argue that they are

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Speaker 2: underpaid relative to similar work done in male dominated sectors.

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Speaker 2: Thirty three current claims are going to stop immediately. Applicants

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Speaker 2: will have to reapply under a new regime. Paul Goalter

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Speaker 2: is the chief executive of the New Zealand Nurses Organization. Hey, Paul, hi,

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Speaker 2: I take it. You don't love this.

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Speaker 26: No, we're really disappointed with it. In fact, we've called

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Speaker 26: it shameful and our members are really upset about this.

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Speaker 4: They've been ringing an all day about it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you have got about it, right am I

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Speaker 2: right in thinking about ten claims underway?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got ten claims.

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Speaker 26: Our position has been really clear once we settle the

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Speaker 26: defuntal or or the hospital's pay equity claim a couple

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Speaker 26: of years ago, that we wanted to put a claim

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Speaker 26: across all the rest of the nurses, right across primary

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Speaker 26: health and age care and the like, and that's what

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Speaker 26: we've been endeavoring to do. So that's quite quite a

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Speaker 26: very extensive claim. The idea for that is to try

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Speaker 26: and eliminate the gender discrimination aspect and their wage rates

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Speaker 26: in order to start to move towards paparity.

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Speaker 2: Now under the new regime, will all ten of your

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Speaker 2: claims be able to be resubmitted? Will they still qualify.

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 26: Without seeing the detail of the legislation, but we will,

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Speaker 26: I think that's an important point. We will resubmit for

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Speaker 26: every one of those claims, and we are quite confident

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Speaker 26: from what we can read in the legislation that they

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Speaker 26: would stand a really good.

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Speaker 4: Chance of going through.

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Speaker 26: But the problem here is it's been incredibly bureaucratic trying

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Speaker 26: to get our claims this far, and now we've got

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Speaker 26: to start again.

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Speaker 4: I know a number of employers.

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Speaker 26: Are really hurting about that, and we're going to start

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Speaker 26: again under another regime.

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Speaker 4: It just adds more years to it. Quite frankly, do

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Speaker 4: you know off.

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Speaker 2: The top of your head, Paul, who your workers were

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Speaker 2: comparing themselves to, So, for example, your plunket workers what

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Speaker 2: was the comparison with what male dominated industry.

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Speaker 26: We hadn't got to that. We were just short of that.

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Speaker 26: We just had a couple more interviews on what the

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Speaker 26: jobs actually were that Plunket nurses were doing, and other

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Speaker 26: occupations within Plunket, and then you moved to a conversation

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Speaker 26: or a bargain if you like, with the employers about

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Speaker 26: which comparators would be in place, and then if you

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Speaker 26: argue about that, you could go to arbitration.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully we would have worked through that pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: What about age care? Do you know who they were

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Speaker 2: comparing themselves to?

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: No, Again, as with.

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Speaker 2: All of them, it hadn't got to that stage.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, with nurses, I can speak for the nurses part

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Speaker 26: of age here. We certainly hadn't got to that. And

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Speaker 26: we had been working closely with the Age Care Association

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Speaker 26: to try and move this long as quickly as possible,

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01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 26: and we hadn't got to that stage either. The care

1513
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 26: and support workers claim is a bit different, and I'm

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01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 26: not quite sure who their comparators were with care and

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01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 26: support and that reaches across into some age care facilities

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01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 26: or age care facilities.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, is it fair to say Paul that your

1518
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: primary complaint is just the fact that this is going

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01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: to take longer. Right, there's no indication that your cases

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01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 2: are not going to succeed or anything like that. You

1521
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 2: might still get there, it's just that it takes longer,

1522
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 2: but it's.

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01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 26: Now weighted more heavily against getting the outcomes we think

1524
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 26: are appropriate. Well, there's a number of early stages which

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01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 26: they seem just reading the media releases to have introduced,

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01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 26: are going to introduce to prove that it's a female

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01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 26: dominated occupation. You're going to move from sixty percent female

1528
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 26: to seventy percent that in some trades or occupations would

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01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 26: give a problem. Then there's grounds for extended grounds for

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01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 26: knocking out the claim. It's going to be harder to

1531
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 26: do a multi employer claim those sorts of things, and

1532
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 26: employers have got an increased ability to basically make the

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01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 26: whole thing a lot more difficult, which is quite ironic

1534
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 26: in health because we've been working closely with the employers

1535
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 26: across all age care and GPS and the like to

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01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 26: try and move this thing along. So and actually we've

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01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 26: been had a number of calls from our employers that

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01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 26: we've been working with saying what the hell's going on?

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 26: And where do we go next with us? You're not

1540
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 26: going to give up, are you? We said no, We're

1541
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 26: not giving up.

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Speaker 2: All right, Paul, thank you very much for your time.

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01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 2: I do appreciate it. Is Paul goal to the chief

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Speaker 2: executive of the Ends of the Nurses Organization. Here's Labor's

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Speaker 2: Meghan Woods.

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Speaker 27: We see a suit, a sea of suits sitting opposite us.

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Speaker 27: I challenge every woman in the government parties to come down,

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Speaker 27: take a call and explain to other women why they

1549
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Speaker 27: think it is their right to legislate away their pathway

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Speaker 27: to dignity and to being valued what they are worth.

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Speaker 2: Heather, if I was lux and I just say, hey,

1552
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Speaker 2: who was the government that locks pregnant Kiwi women out

1553
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Speaker 4: These talks end be now.

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Speaker 2: I've got to tell you it's I got to tell

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Speaker 2: you in a minute about Steven Joyce potentially becoming the

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01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: chair of the company that I work for, and Chippy

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01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 2: just being annoying about it. I'll get to that and

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01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 2: it take a sixteen past six. Now we're getting a

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01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 2: bit of a better idea about how Nikola Willis is

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01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 2: going to fund her budget. Later this month we learned

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 2: that the government today will save one billion dollars over

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01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 2: four years because it's hitting its housing target early. And

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01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 2: then potentially more than ten billion dollars over four years

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Speaker 2: will be saved from this pay equity system overhaul. Brad

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Speaker 2: Olson's in metrics seeing principal economists. Hey, Brad good evening,

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Speaker 2: what do you make of these two savings? I mean,

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01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: they're reasonably big, aren't they.

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Speaker 9: The very big?

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01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 28: I feel like it's we're back to the future a

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01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 28: little bit when you know we're starting to talk and

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01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 28: billions of dollars again for just two line items. But

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01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 28: again you know that they are quite substantial. And I

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01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 28: think also particularly when you look at the lights of

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Speaker 28: the pay equity claims. The Minister's Cabinet paper highlights that

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Speaker 28: already the settlements are costing government one point five to

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01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,799
Speaker 28: five billion dollars per year, with a number of claims

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01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 28: still in the system that of course was going to

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01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 28: go up, and so there is now quite a change.

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Speaker 28: The Prime Minister has profiled billions of dollars of savings,

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01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 28: although it's not abundantly clear right the second how big

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01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 28: that number is the fact that we've got sort of

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01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 28: such big savings. I think also goes into what we

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01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 28: heard from the Finance Minister last week when the operating

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01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 28: allowance was cut back, and that that operating allowance is

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01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 28: a net figure. It's the total additional funding that the

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01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 28: government can spend. It's not only are just sort of

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01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 28: a straight up edition though, it's a net figure. And

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01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 28: so with the government now finding a number of additional

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01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 28: savings across a few areas, across housing, now across pay equity,

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01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 28: that does free up more funding for the government to

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Speaker 28: do other things overall.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if we're talking about more than ten

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01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 2: billion dollars in one line item over four years and

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01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: a billion dollars and another line item, that makes that

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01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,879
Speaker 2: one point three billion dollars in the operating allowance suddenly

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01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 2: make a little bit more sense, doesn't it.

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Speaker 28: It certainly gives the government more options going forward. I mean,

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Speaker 28: for the likes of the pay equity settlements. Again, I

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01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 28: don't think they would have necessarily have been booked to

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01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 28: have started all of them immediately at once, but obviously

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Speaker 28: with some of the numbers that are being thrown about

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Speaker 28: and without any real detail there that the cabinet paper

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01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 28: is not surprisingly silent on the dollar figures. Those have

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01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 28: been fairly well reducted as budget sensitive, but again they

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01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 28: do there are big changes that will happen over time,

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01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 28: and given that the government does have very limited funding

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01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 28: room and has a lot of stuff that they want

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01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 28: to be able to spend on, this does look like

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01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,759
Speaker 28: it is all part of trying to make the numbers

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Speaker 28: work and what is a difficult set of circumstances. The

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Speaker 28: economic figures have been more challenging. Treasury is likely to

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01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 28: downgrade economic expectations going forward. That means less revenue for

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Speaker 28: the government and so that does require money to come

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01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 28: from somewhere else to allow all of the big expectations

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Speaker 28: to still be funded.

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Speaker 2: Yes, now, what about the employment stats they're out tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: What are you expecting.

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Speaker 28: We do expect the unemployment will be increasing further. I

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01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 28: think the broadn census is around sort of five point

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01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 28: three percent. That is the highest and nearly a decade,

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01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 28: and obviously I think highlights what everyone's seeing out there

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01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 28: that times are still quite tough. People are struggling to

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Speaker 28: find jobs, and we saw that with some of the

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Speaker 28: filled jobs data out over the last week as well.

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Speaker 28: Even those increases to the unemployment rate and similar they

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01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 28: make government's life harder as well. From a financial perspective,

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01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 28: the number of people on jobs, he can benefits and

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01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 28: similar continues to increase, and so all of those are

1654
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 28: further cost that the government has to pay for. So

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01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 28: we are in a very difficult time in the economy.

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01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,839
Speaker 28: We're of course being hit with the uncertainty from the tariffs.

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01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 28: We're starting to see some other areas of the economy

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01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 28: still show some promise. The primary sector and similar. Mortgage

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01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 28: rates are falling for a number of households, but there's

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01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 28: still a level of concern I think amongst households because

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Speaker 28: the jobs market is not quite as easy, and you

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Speaker 28: see that with consumer confidence. Despite the fact that interest

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01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,759
Speaker 28: rates are coming down in cost of living challenges should

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01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 28: be easier for households, the numbers still suggest that households

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01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 28: are still pretty reluctant to be too optimistic. So a

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01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 28: lot of challenges out there. The government's facing fiscal challenges,

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01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 28: households are still facing financial challenges, difficult, challenging conditions all round.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brad, thanks very much, really appreciated. Brad Awsome, Principal

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Speaker 2: economists at Infometrics. Okay, so, if you've been vaguely interested

1670
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: in media stories, you probably have followed the fact that

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01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 2: there's been a bit of a boardroom battle going on

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01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: at the place that I work here at Enzby. And

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01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 2: the latest news is that the compromised position which appears

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01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 2: to have been struck is that Stephen Joyce will become

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01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 2: the chair of the board of this company. Now, to

1676
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 2: anyone who knows Steven Joyce's history, that's a relatively smart decision.

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01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 2: I would have thought he seems like he would know

1678
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,520
Speaker 2: what he was doing, or he's got some business experience.

1679
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 2: He's got heaps of radio experience. He set up the Edge,

1680
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 2: which everybody knows now, set it up back in New

1681
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 2: Plymouth way back in the day, and turned it into

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01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 2: the success it was, and then basically turned media works

1683
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 2: into the success that it was. Blah blah blah. You know,

1684
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 2: the rest is history. Anyway, Chippy must not know that

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01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 2: Chippy must think that the only thing that Stephen Joyce

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01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 2: has ever done in his life is to work as

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01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 2: a National Party minister. Because Chippy has concerns about this,

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01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 2: Chippy says it will draw into question en Zidmey's editorial stance,

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01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 2: and I think that would be very unfortunate for the

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01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 2: very many credible people who work for that organization. Why

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01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 2: thank you, Chippy. I do appreciate that incredible But yes,

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01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 2: what a dumb thing to say. What an egg? What

1693
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 2: did he wake up on the wrong side? Did he

1694
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 2: leave his brain behind when he put a socks on

1695
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 2: this morning? Does he really think that the chair of

1696
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 2: the board of this company is going to have any

1697
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 2: impact on the editorial position that anyone in this company takes.

1698
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: Just to illustrate my point, right, the current board of

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01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 2: the chair of the board is Barbara Chapman. I've never

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01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 2: met Barbara Chapman, so I've never spoken to Barbara Chapman.

1701
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 2: I've never exchanged an email or a text or anything.

1702
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 2: There's been no communication between me and Barbara Chapman whatsoever.

1703
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 2: I have no idea what Barbara thinks of what I say.

1704
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 2: I assume I assume that she might not love it,

1705
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 2: judging by some comments that she's made in the me.

1706
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what Barbara thinks. I

1707
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 2: don't know. So why would it change with Stephen? If

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01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 2: Barbara can conduct herself like that and be a decent

1709
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 2: person to just leave us to it doing our own

1710
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 2: little weird things whatever, why wouldn't Stephen do that?

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01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 16: Makes?

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01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 2: What makes should be? Think that Stephen's going to change

1713
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 2: you anyway? I just think should be just should we

1714
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 2: just say some dumb things sometimes? German? It's politics, right,

1715
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 2: Let's be honest, he's playing politics anyway. To get to

1716
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 2: where I'm going with this, Duncan Greeve, who is a

1717
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: media commentator who works for the spinoff set up the spinoff,

1718
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 2: is going to be with us in about ten minutes

1719
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes time and give us his unbiased and unvarnished

1720
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 2: take on whether he thinks that this is a problem

1721
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:18,799
Speaker 2: for the company.

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Speaker 2: Twenty six pass six and with me right now is

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Speaker 2: Jamie McKay, Host of the Country. Hey, Jamie, good I

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01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 2: heav what are we picking for the GDT this evening.

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Speaker 17: While I've gone to my go to guy, Mike McIntyre,

1728
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 17: jard another two to three percent. This is a really

1729
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 17: good result. To hell with Trump's tariffs, it doesn't seem

1730
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 17: to be stopping the rampant dairy market. Admittedly, we're very

1731
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,440
Speaker 17: near the end of our season. This is the penultimate

1732
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 17: GDT auction. The season will end, of course on May

1733
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 17: thirty one. So he's picking two to three percent. That

1734
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 17: follows two rises in April, after a we drop or

1735
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 17: a bit of a slump, slight slump in March. The

1736
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 17: interesting thing is if the spot rate was set on

1737
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 17: today's price, is were they're getting eleven dollars per kilogram

1738
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 17: of milk solids and that's with a apparently with a dollar,

1739
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 17: which is just nudging sixty US cents.

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Speaker 7: So that's great.

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Speaker 17: Of course, it won't be that because it evens out

1742
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 17: over the whole season. But happy days, as I say,

1743
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 17: for the dairy industry.

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Speaker 2: Hey, that twenty one percent drop in the number of

1745
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 2: sheep over the last ten years. Is that worry you?

1746
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 17: Yeah, it does because you need critical mass in the

1747
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 17: industry and the sheep meat industry walls look and I

1748
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 17: get a bit of stick on my show for being

1749
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 17: pessimistic about wall. But I am really worried about the

1750
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 17: prospects for strong cross bread wall. But the prospects for

1751
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,839
Speaker 17: lamb especially is a really good it's a niche product,

1752
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 17: it's a really good product. There's a shortage of it.

1753
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 17: But the trouble is, you know in the nineteen eighties

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01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 17: here that we had seventy million sheep. We're down to

1755
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 17: twenty three million sheep. Now we're just producing less and less,

1756
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 17: even though the production be head's gone up significantly significently

1757
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 17: in those forty odd years. So look, the worry is

1758
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 17: that we haven't got enough critical mass to keep our

1759
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 17: processing plants open or certainly open and efficient. So you know,

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01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 17: down down to twenty three point six million sheep. And

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01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 17: I know these numbers have been bandied about, but they're

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01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 17: worth repeating. Dairy cattle so much for the dairy boom.

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Speaker 17: We're down thirteen percent since the dairy boom, nearly a million,

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Speaker 17: down to five point eight with them. It'll be interesting

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01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 17: to see whether that stays there if the government gets

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01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 17: back into or allows dairy conversions. The interesting one is

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01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 17: beef cattle have done the best, very good returns for

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01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 17: beef at the moment those numbers are pretty similar to

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Speaker 17: what they were a decade ago. And if you're a

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Speaker 17: deer farmer, chances are here that you've only got three

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Speaker 17: quarters of the stock you used to have because they're

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Speaker 17: down twenty six percent.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks very much, Jamie go well at the moment.

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Speaker 21: Mate.

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Speaker 2: That's Jamie McKay, Host of the Country, right, duncan grieve

1776
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 2: on this Business of the media next, and then we're

1777
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 2: off to end of Brady in the UK. News is

1778
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 2: coming at us newsbooks, Abe.

1779
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1780
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Henna Dupercy Ellen and Maas Insurance

1781
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future news Talks EDB.

1782
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 2: Brady is going to be with this out of the

1783
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 2: UK about ten minutes time. Hither it looks like Book

1784
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 2: Van Valden has just done Judith Collins a solid and

1785
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 2: paid for her military toys. It certainly answers that where

1786
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 2: are they getting the money from? Question, Tony you bang

1787
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 2: on twenty four away from seven Now looks like Stephen Joyce,

1788
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 2: the former National Party minister, is set to be the

1789
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 2: new chair of NZB, which is the company that owns

1790
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 2: news Talk zb's been nominated as a compromise to settle

1791
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 2: a month's long boardroom stout that's been going on. Duncan

1792
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 2: Greeb is the founder of the spin off as a

1793
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 2: media commentator and with us. Now, Hey, Duncan, Heather, does

1794
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 2: it look too like a done deal?

1795
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 29: I would never say this saga as long as it's

1796
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 29: run as a dune deal. But it looks like a

1797
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 29: really smart, adroit bit of maneuvering that should be a

1798
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 29: done deal. Why Well, because I guess as a as

1799
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 29: a compromise candidate, it would be very hard for the

1800
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 29: insurgents Grennan and Barker, and that those kind of shareholders

1801
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 29: who've been grumpy about the you know, the sort of

1802
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 29: both the governments and particularly the journalism of Entented Me

1803
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 29: to kind of have an issue with Joyce given his

1804
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 29: background both politically but also in media, but also he's

1805
01:24:55,360 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 29: such a known quantity to New Zealand his role in

1806
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 29: the previous national government, which is a much more popular

1807
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,600
Speaker 29: one than the current one. And so you know, it

1808
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 29: just looks like if you're going to pick anyone out

1809
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 29: of this country to kind of tie a bow on

1810
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 29: this thing away that maybe it's not what everyone wanted,

1811
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 29: but everyone can live with it. Joyce would be your guy.

1812
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you could do worse, couldn't you, Because I mean,

1813
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 2: the man knows radio through and.

1814
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 4: Through, he really does.

1815
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Speaker 29: I know, he was basically the architect of what became

1816
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 29: Media Works and did that from the ground up, so

1817
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 29: really really sharp visionary, really media mind. But also I

1818
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 29: think because he was part of the sort of kitchen

1819
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 29: cabinet of that government for so long, understands the relationship

1820
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 29: between politics and media, which are so central to this dispute,

1821
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 29: and where you have to hold and where you.

1822
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Speaker 4: Have to give.

1823
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Speaker 29: You know, I think there's a sort of an underlying

1824
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 29: pragmatism to the government that that should be you know,

1825
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 29: acceptable to everyone. Because the big fear that people had

1826
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 29: was that that Grennan's people were going to kind of

1827
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 29: push it beyond what you know, has to be a

1828
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 29: broad mainstream brand. They were going to push it beyond

1829
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 29: what was acceptable to that.

1830
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: So Chris Hopkins has said today it will draw into

1831
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 2: question their editorial stance if Stephen Joyce was to become

1832
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 2: the chair. Do you think it will?

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Speaker 29: I mean, I think that's a bit of a fastical comment.

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Speaker 29: Just given the sort of history of political appointees to boards,

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Speaker 29: you know all. You know, obviously media is a specific thing,

1836
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 29: but but you know, there there is so much of

1837
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 29: you know, whether it's government boards or the sort of

1838
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 29: post politics life of politicians where there are political elements

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01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 29: that they have to navigate some more complex scenarios than this.

1840
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 29: So you know, it doesn't seem like a particularly plausible statement.

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01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so either. Hey, Duncan, it's good

1842
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 2: to talk to you. I really appreciated. As always. That's

1843
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,480
Speaker 2: Dunk and Grieve, the spinoff founder and also media commentator.

1844
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 2: I'm glad he made the point just then about politicians

1845
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 2: on boards because the list of even just labor ministers.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I'm not telling you this because

1847
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 2: I've got a problem with it. I'm just calling into question.

1848
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 2: I'm just wanting to point out the hypocrisy of what

1849
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 2: Chris Hopkins has said. The number of labor ministers who've

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01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 2: gone on to boards is you know, like, I don't

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01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 2: even want to start on the list, because if I

1852
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 2: started on the list and it was comprehensive, we'd still

1853
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 2: be here. It's would still be here at six am

1854
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 2: when when Mike Caster Starters show. Because there's so many

1855
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 2: politicians who just who go on to boards. I'll just

1856
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 2: give you an example, right, Steve Mahari, Chair of far Mac,

1857
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 2: Steve Mahari, Chair of ACC, Ruth Dyson on Fire and

1858
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 2: Emergency News New Zealand, Ruth Dyson on the National Hazards

1859
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 2: Commission Board, Marion Hobbs on Heritage New zealandh blah blah

1860
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Could go

1861
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 2: on forever. Right, it's not unusual at all to be

1862
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 2: I think just kind of. I think he's trying to

1863
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 2: make something out of it. He's just trying to get

1864
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 2: into this whole politicizing the media like bias and bias

1865
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff.

1866
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Speaker 16: Thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it all. It won't Nobody in their

1868
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 2: right mind is going to believe it. Nineteen Away from seven.

1869
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Speaker 1: Heather duper Cla.

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Speaker 2: I wish I knew this when we spoke to the

1871
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Speaker 2: Westpac CEO on the show yesterday, because I would have

1872
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 2: asked her about this because I was reading today she's

1873
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 2: actually done a good deed. So I don't know if

1874
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 2: you've been following this. But there was the story of

1875
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 2: the Auckland pensioner right who transferred I think it was

1876
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 2: like one hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars or something.

1877
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Speaker 2: It was a substantial amount of money. He transferred from

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01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 2: his bank account Barclays Bank in the UK to his

1879
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 2: bank account in Auckland Westpac. But he was using a

1880
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 2: sticky keyboard and the number four it was an old

1881
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 2: keyboard and the number four was sticky, and so he

1882
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 2: didn't enter his his account details properly, must have left

1883
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 2: the four off, and as a result, his money did

1884
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 2: not actually go into his bank account at all. It

1885
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 2: went into the bank account of an Auckland beneficiary who

1886
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 2: then looked at it and went whoo party tan and

1887
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 2: brought herself a couple of cars and transferred some money

1888
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 2: to so and so in Blilah, and it was gone right,

1889
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 2: And this poor chap ended up in a battle for

1890
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 2: fifteen months to try to get this money back, and

1891
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 2: he was going absolutely nowhere, there, nowhere with it. And

1892
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 2: then last week, all of a sudden, bingo, Barclays Bank

1893
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 2: paid the money to him, plus five hundred pounds in

1894
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 2: compo for honestly Barclays five hundred bucks in compo you

1895
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 2: tight wads. But anyway, it turns out that the reason

1896
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 2: that that happened is because Katherine McGrath, the CEO of

1897
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 2: Wes Westpac Bank, who had nothing to do with this

1898
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 2: other than being the receiving bank. Right, it's not their

1899
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 2: problem that this happened. She used to work for Barclays,

1900
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 2: so when she heard what happened, she obviously had some

1901
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 2: people there that she knew or whatever, so she got

1902
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 2: in contact with him and bingo, he got his money back.

1903
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 2: And how good is that? In Westpac deserves we give

1904
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 2: a lot of I say this all the time. We

1905
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 2: get a lot of grief to the banks. And I

1906
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 2: like giving grief to the banks because I want them

1907
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 2: to I want to keep them on their toes, keep

1908
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 2: them on their toes. But when they do something good,

1909
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 2: they also deserve credit for it. And speaking of given credit,

1910
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 2: can I just give a shout out to Harper Davis

1911
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Speaker 2: of St. Mark's Catholic School, who was nine years old

1912
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 2: and was the one yesterday to alert everybody to the

1913
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 2: fire at the McDonald's playground. She was waiting there for

1914
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 2: her mum and she noticed a small amount of smoke

1915
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 2: was hurting her eyes, and she said she she felt

1916
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 2: like she couldn't breathe properly, so she she peeked over,

1917
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 2: had a looking whip. There's a fire in the playground,

1918
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 2: so she ran outside, went and told the staff. Her

1919
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 2: mum arrived one minute after she told the stuff, and

1920
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 2: the entire playground was already on fire. So shout out

1921
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 2: to shout out to Harper for doing a good deed.

1922
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 2: They're more of that police seventeen away from seven.

1923
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither duplicy Ellen,

1924
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 1: with the business hour and mass insurance and investments, grow

1925
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: your wealth, protect your future news dogs.

1926
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Speaker 14: That'd be.

1927
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Speaker 2: Heather. I enjoy your show full stop a lot. Thank

1928
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 2: you full stop. I feel like that full stop is

1929
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 2: quite like an emphasist.

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Speaker 30: Well, let's stop reading the text. Now. That's a perfectly

1931
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 30: nice thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: To go downhill, downhill from here. But I don't like

1933
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 2: the way that you pronounced transplant, transfer and transaction. And

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Speaker 2: you have to say it out loud to see the

1935
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Speaker 2: inconsistency of my pronunciation. There, transfer transplant, transport, transaction. Now

1936
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 2: I was I read that out to the German before

1937
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 2: and and ads obviously, and she said to me there

1938
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 2: is a difference between data and data they mean different things.

1939
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 2: And I am surprised by this. And we have sent

1940
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 2: the German away to figure out what on earth the differences,

1941
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 2: if this difference even exists. So stay tuned. She will

1942
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 2: be back, very diligent because it's German to be back

1943
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 2: to us. And just oh, she just put her finger

1944
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 2: up of the air and said one minute please and walk.

1945
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 9: I think she's going to go consult an expert.

1946
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought she's walking to the printer where I

1947
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 2: just wanted.

1948
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 9: To leaving the building.

1949
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 2: She's had a guts full of a day. So what's

1950
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 2: this nonsense with English people who constantly muck up their

1951
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 2: own language. Anyway, I just want to point out our

1952
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 2: printers do work, so if the government would like to

1953
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 2: come and use them from detection.

1954
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 9: From your transport pronunciation as well were very good.

1955
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 2: Thanks very much. Thirteen away from seven in Indo, Bradio

1956
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 2: UK correspondents with us Inda.

1957
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 7: Hello, Heather, I enjoy your show a lot. There is

1958
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:14,759
Speaker 7: no but I love you anyway.

1959
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 2: You are such a nice man. I always appreciate talking

1960
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 2: to you. Hey, tell me what I've got you here Inda,

1961
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:24,480
Speaker 2: and what's Stamma planning to do? What are these announcements?

1962
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,679
Speaker 7: So he needs to do something to tackle the rampant

1963
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 7: popularity of Nigel Farage. So a couple of things in

1964
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 7: the papers today which are obviously going to happen. I

1965
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,640
Speaker 7: think they're just kind of sailing it out today to

1966
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 7: see if it sinks or swims. So, first of all,

1967
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 7: student visas from certain countries. The government has been looking

1968
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 7: at all the data or data on this and basically

1969
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:53,600
Speaker 7: three countries are of concern with regard to student visas Pakistan,

1970
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 7: Sri Lanka and Nigeria. They're seeing a very serious pattern

1971
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 7: here of young people wanting to come to the UK

1972
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 7: getting student visas and then after a short period claiming asylum,

1973
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,759
Speaker 7: trying to claim asylum. And the end result is this

1974
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 7: is a very very big number sixteen million dollars a

1975
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 7: day being spent every day by the UK government on

1976
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 7: accommodation for people who are claiming asylum. Sixteen million dollars

1977
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 7: a day. So one thing they're going to do is

1978
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 7: get tough on those three countries and their student visas.

1979
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,759
Speaker 7: And then secondly the winter fuel payments about six hundred

1980
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 7: dollars Starmer basically blitz that over winter, no more winter

1981
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 7: fuel payments for pensioners, regardless of how rich or poor

1982
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 7: you are. They're going to perhaps roll.

1983
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 4: Back on that.

1984
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 2: Ah, that's embarrassing. Haven't they just like a list of

1985
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 2: ministers go out and defend this decision?

1986
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, exactly. And they were given no choice. And

1987
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 7: Starmer's mantra was that there's no money in the kitty.

1988
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 7: Blamed the Conservatives fourteen years of ruin. So I think

1989
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 7: what they're going to do is roll back on it,

1990
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,719
Speaker 7: perhaps put a threshold in place so that the poorest

1991
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 7: pensioners will get it again next winter. Because Forage is

1992
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 7: making gangs left, right and center, and as much as

1993
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 7: people have laughed, he is saying I will be prime

1994
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 7: minister in four years time. I've had people come up

1995
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 7: to me over the weekend saying, what do you think

1996
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 7: Farage will be like as prime minister? Well, it's it's

1997
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 7: cutting through.

1998
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very interesting. How did you see Prince Louis

1999
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 2: at the ve Day celebrations.

2000
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 7: I love the little hair flick mocking his older brother George.

2001
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you know what?

2002
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 7: He's a character? It's been positive. I think the last

2003
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 7: twenty four hours for the Royal family to not be

2004
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 7: listening to whatever Harry's latest wine or winges. Harry dominated

2005
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 7: the news agenda all weekend, so I think it was

2006
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 7: best foot forward for the Royals. Yesterday we saw the

2007
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 7: fly past. I thought it was a nice touch, putting

2008
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 7: the veterans, the survivors of World War Two, front and

2009
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 7: center of everything, and Royal's mingling in with them, Starmer

2010
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 7: being there at Cooper's Home Secretary. I thought it was

2011
01:34:58,520 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 7: a successful day.

2012
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 2: Now what happened with David Bickham's patty right, It got

2013
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 2: stopped at four in the morning, but I thought it

2014
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 2: was in a part of London where there are bars,

2015
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 2: and so that shouldn't be a surprise or am I wrong?

2016
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 7: Well, people still live in Kensington and people have work

2017
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 7: to do, and yes, it was wonderful for David Beckham

2018
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 7: to turn fifty and have Tom Cruise there and Gordon

2019
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:21,719
Speaker 7: Ramsey and Guy Ritchie the movie director and Manchester United

2020
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:25,959
Speaker 7: players and everyone partying in a Mitchell and Dard restaurant. However,

2021
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 7: the noise was still going on pushing four am in

2022
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 7: the morning, so local residents rang the council. Council officers

2023
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 7: came out, the music was switched off and the party ended.

2024
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 7: So not a great look. And I have to say

2025
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,600
Speaker 7: the other issue in the Beckham household, the eldest son, Brooklyn,

2026
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 7: seems to have cut them all adrift. He is not

2027
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 7: at any of the functions, not at any of the parties,

2028
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 7: and not in any of the photos. So you wonder

2029
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 7: what's going on there with him and his wife.

2030
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 2: I noticed that thank you, Inda, I love you, thank

2031
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 2: you just because you love me. So I just they

2032
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 2: got weird, didn't it. I don't know if do you

2033
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 2: say to other people that you love them?

2034
01:35:59,400 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 3: Do you say?

2035
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 2: I just did, though, didn't I? Anyway, my friends, just

2036
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 2: to make this less weird for me and Ninda and

2037
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 2: everybody right now, my friends and I do say to

2038
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 2: each other that we love each other because there's not

2039
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 2: enough love in the world, and so I say it.

2040
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 2: I say it. I say it to my son so

2041
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 2: much he doesn't listen to it anymore, and I say

2042
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 2: it to my friends, and now I say it to Endo.

2043
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 2: Two away from seven.

2044
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tipsy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

2045
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:32,520
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by newstalk.

2046
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 2: Zebbi Okay Data Data so what I was saying before.

2047
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 2: We've double checked this with Scarlett, who is like our

2048
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 2: pronunciation Nazi. You have to have one of those people

2049
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 2: when you're working in broadcasting. And Scarlett has confirmed that

2050
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 2: my thinking was in fact correct, but the German was wrong,

2051
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 2: but we're going to get to that anyway. So my

2052
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 2: thinking was correct. That Americans say transport and britsay transport,

2053
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 2: and you would think that the same would be the

2054
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,759
Speaker 2: same for data and data, but it's not. It's the reverse.

2055
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 2: It's really weird. Americans will say transport, transfer, trans tr

2056
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 2: tran whatever, and then when it comes to data, they

2057
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 2: go on data. I don't know why, but they have

2058
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 2: just flipped just to mess with the Brits. I think

2059
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 2: they've flipped everything around, whereas actually the correct pronunciation is data,

2060
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:27,919
Speaker 2: so you should say, you should say transport transfer whatever,

2061
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 2: and then you should say data. And what the German

2062
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 2: was thinking was the thing that's tripped her up lately

2063
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 2: as plurals, not because she's got a problem with English.

2064
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 2: To her English is probably better than most of our English,

2065
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 2: but she's realized that data is in fact plural and

2066
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 2: the singular of data. You don't go around saying I

2067
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 2: looked at the data and it is correct. You say,

2068
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 2: I looked at the data and they are correct, because

2069
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 2: if you're talking about the one data you say datim,

2070
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 2: it's a datum. I looked at the datum and it

2071
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 2: is correct, and it is the same as stadium datum

2072
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 2: stadium plural of stadium stadia. You're welcome. This is all Latin,

2073
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 2: isn't it.

2074
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 9: And I'm still going to keep saying stadiums.

2075
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 3: I might.

2076
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 9: I might stick with data as well.

2077
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 2: And is it really that hard to say stadia?

2078
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 9: I mean, and I always get it.

2079
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 30: I always get annoyed Americans when they do this as well,

2080
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:17,839
Speaker 30: so I'd be a big hypocrite.

2081
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 9: So all right, Stadia, it is Stadia data.

2082
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 2: The daytum thing is going to take a little while.

2083
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 9: Well, the harp is going to be data that the

2084
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 9: data they show. That's how that seems very weird. That's

2085
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 9: going to be a struggle.

2086
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 2: Should we try it?

2087
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 3: Should we give it a.

2088
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:29,639
Speaker 2: Home on the on the show?

2089
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 9: Enough? This is going to be official style it is.

2090
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 30: If you start writing a script with the data it was,

2091
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:37,400
Speaker 30: then you you pull me.

2092
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 2: Up on it style guide for the rest.

2093
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 9: Shaking your head, Laura, what's the problem with this.

2094
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:44,599
Speaker 2: Humans love things to be correct most of the time,

2095
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:46,600
Speaker 2: don't you know, Like it's weird that she's all like

2096
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 2: she's she's the executive producer, and so I think we're

2097
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 2: going to fire her? Are you gonna we're going to

2098
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 2: pay you?

2099
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 14: Right?

2100
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 30: Yeah, I'm definitely moving on from that conversation. That's not happening.

2101
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 30: Are Rihanna every only girl in the world? Not every girl?

2102
01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 30: Rihanna only girl in the world to play us out? Tonight,

2103
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:02,720
Speaker 30: she is announced that she and Asat Rocky are expecting

2104
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:03,679
Speaker 30: their third child.

2105
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 2: Congratulations and got two boys?

2106
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 9: A they do?

2107
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 30: They have Rizza and I head this right nearby because

2108
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 30: I knew you were gonna ask.

2109
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 2: Me to be hoping this one's a girl. I'll tell

2110
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 2: you that.

2111
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 30: Rizza and Riot and yeah, well Gi'll be nice one

2112
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 30: it can. I suppose they could all follow acet Rocky

2113
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 30: and Rihanna's legacies, but it would be nice to have

2114
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 30: a girl as well. And they were looking absolutely amazing

2115
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 30: at the At the met gala, Rihanna's suit was done

2116
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 30: by Mark Jacobs, include a polka dot satin cravat, tailored

2117
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 30: skirt and a tied jacket must bar.

2118
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 2: It's a cravat Is it isn't it, Laura?

2119
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 9: Oh, here we go.

2120
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:41,719
Speaker 2: We're two down the far down the rabbit hole, Ignora,

2121
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 2: so Cal's see you tomorrow by now.

2122
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:18,000
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2123
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:21,160
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2124
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