1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Summer of cricketers here the T twenty with England Hagley 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Oval tomorrow, which is probably one of the most beautiful 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: grounds going ahead of the the ODIs as of next week. 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: England's coaches, of course, Brendan McCullum, who's back in the 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: country and as well as Brendan morning, good morning. I 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Are you enjoying it all? 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely, I am feel very privileged to be in 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: the position. I mean, obviously England as a sizable cricketing 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: nation and we've got obviously a lot of passion and 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: behind the game, a lot of history and behind our team, 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: and we've got some some wonderful talent and some great 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: theories that we're a part of. So yeah, very privileged 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: in the position of men especially, I guess I've been 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: out of playing too long to pick up this job 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: and get to work with these guys. Been a real pleasure. 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: Do you feel at home? 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah, Well I mean in New Villain now. 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: No, no, no, and more within the England environment. 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think I'm it's very similar. 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: The guys are very similar to the KII boys. I've 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: now been in that job, what three years or so, 22 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: and I feel like I've got a really good relationship 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: with all the guys who have been around the side, 24 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: whether that's some of the fellows who have moved on, 25 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: all the younger members who have come in. I love 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: being a part of sporting teams and I've been I'm 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: a social sort of guy, and I enjoyed being surrounded 28 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: by company and trying to give guys opportunities to realize 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: their talents. Yeah, I certainly enjoyed myself and Phil at home. 30 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: Cricket isn't the same as some of the other sports 31 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: in terms of nationality. Was it a thing that you 32 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: got appointed the England coach and did that need to 33 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: settle down? 34 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: Look, it wasn't too bad, to be honest, I think, 35 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: you know, I think when I took over the job, 36 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: it was a clear thirst for change in a different 37 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: direction was identified required for them up And you know, 38 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: I guess my skills were kind of suited and my 39 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: approach was suited the direction that my boss, Rob Key 40 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: and Cricket wanted to take at the time, and hence 41 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: hints why I was put in that position. And you know, 42 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 2: I think more I've tried to do over the last 43 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: three years there's been sentthic and how to be authentic 44 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: with the style that I bring to the job and 45 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: try and get the very best out of all the 46 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,839 Speaker 2: guys that sit within that England dressing room. Think one 47 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: thing that does have which is quite a sizable difference 48 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: to New Zealand. As much as there's noise around the 49 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: performance of the New Zealand cricket team, I think we 50 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: will probably admit that the performance of the All Blacks 51 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: has slightly more importance in this country. And if we 52 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: look at the English cricket there is a huge following 53 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: and behind the team and a lot of spotlight. And 54 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: one of the things that I try and do with 55 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 2: with this group of players is try and quiet and 56 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: down some of that noise so that their skills can 57 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: come out on the biggest stage. 58 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm glad you raise that because I follow I'm big 59 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: into the British media and it is a thing, particularly 60 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: the tabloids. Is that a pain in the ass. 61 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: It can be if you want, if you want to 62 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: let it get to you. From my point, I remember 63 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 2: walking into the first press conference I had and after 64 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: being appointed as England coach at Lord's and I remember 65 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 2: going when I was captain of Bizillamal, can only be 66 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: three or four journalists there, and always thinking, as much 67 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: as this spotlight on that and this pressure that comes 68 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: with playing at this level, wouldn't it be great if 69 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: we had a lot more following and we were always 70 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: trying to inspire and trying to put out performances which 71 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: would would make cricket more relevant in this country. And 72 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: when I walked into Lords, I mean remember there was 73 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: about sixty five journalists there and I thought, a right, shit, 74 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: this is a bit different. So this is what a stage, 75 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: what an opportune Then you either let that affect you 76 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: or you see it is what a great platform to 77 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: be able to try and do something special and know 78 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: that this the sport and these guys are going to 79 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: be followed, and if you can get it right, then 80 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: you've got such a great opportunity to try and inspire 81 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 2: the next the next generation of cricketers, well the next 82 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: generation of athletes. So I say to choose cricket over 83 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: other sports. 84 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the interesting thing is, of course, even though 85 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: we're excited to have you here and this is going 86 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: to be good and all that sort of stuff, if 87 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: you I'm sure you're aware the Australian media is already 88 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: busy talking up and down the Ashes things, so it's 89 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: it's with you for that period of time. Are you 90 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: aware of that? And how do you distance yourself from 91 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: the Ashes right here right now to concentrate on what 92 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: you're doing. 93 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. Look, the Ashes is clearly going to 94 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: be a massive series. It means so much to both 95 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: countries that we followed all all around the world and 96 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: there'll be spotlight on our team and the Australian team 97 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: like these guys have probably never had before. Excuse me, 98 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: but from one of the things we try and do 99 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: throughout the time that we were in this role as 100 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: trying to try and keep the boys firmly grounded on 101 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: what's in front of us. And we know we got 102 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: to steal a line from Gilbert and Oka. We try 103 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: and stay were our feeda and we want to we 104 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: want to make sure that we treat this series against 105 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: New Zealand for a very strong home with the absolute 106 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: respect that it deserves, and try and not only get 107 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: performances on the field, but try and create some memories 108 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 2: and some experiences for some guys a tour in this 109 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: country for the first time as well. 110 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: We had Gilbert and Oka on the program the other day. 111 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: Isn't he awesome? 112 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: He's brilliant. He's a good maid of mine as well. 113 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 2: And I was lucky when I lived for a period 114 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: of time in christ Hitch. I's actually lived across the 115 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: road from Gilbert, and I've got to know him really well. 116 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: I've worked with them throughout the New Zealand Cricket throughout 117 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: money own cricket career when he's employed in that job, 118 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: and consider him a good friend. He's a wonderful human being, 119 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: truly humble and high performed person in his life, and 120 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: he's got wonderful ethics and antegrity. And he's recently come 121 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: on board as a bit of a consultant with us 122 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: and when as well, I asked him to join us 123 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: and in the small capacity, and he's made a sizeable 124 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: impact on what we're trying to do. And he's the 125 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: best in the business of what he does, and we're 126 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: very lucky that he's agreed to help us. 127 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: Fantastic. The all Formats thing that you're now in charge 128 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: of didn't start that way one was it your plan 129 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: to be in charge hopefully of all formats and two 130 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: is that the way to go. 131 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't my plan to be in charge of 132 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: any formats because I was pretty happy sort of doing 133 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: the life that I had. Had a little sports breakfast 134 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: show with Israel Dag and we were sort of having 135 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: a bit of fun doing that on the radio, and 136 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: I was doing a bit of cricket commentary, and I 137 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: was coaching over in India with Colcata Night Riders and 138 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: over and the Caribbean with the Trimbager night Riders, and 139 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 2: I was enjoying the next stage of life. But sometimes 140 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: in life, opportunities are too good to turn down, and 141 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: the size of the job and the opportunity to try 142 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: and make sizeable change with the talent and possesses was 143 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: too good to turn down. And I guess when it 144 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: first came up, most people probably thought that I was 145 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: more more suited to the white bull job. For me, 146 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: my skills aren't really taking teams from good to great 147 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: per se though that's where I need to bring in 148 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: some help, and some of like Gilbert's perfect for that. 149 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: But my skills are probably more suited to trying to 150 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: be a team and butt a soul in to try 151 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: and strip out one of the external noise and the 152 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: extra stuff which goes on. And I looked at the 153 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: Test side and saw that as a team that had 154 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: won one out of seventeen Tests and were clearly clearly 155 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: keen to change how they approached, and with Ben Stokes 156 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: as captain, who was very aligned to how I like 157 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: to do things, and we've become very good mates since 158 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: I've been in this job, it just seemed like the 159 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: logical choice and the bigger job at hand. And then 160 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: obviously you know, since then the White will side, after 161 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: winning two been double world champions went through a little 162 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: bit of a lull too, so that probably that then 163 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: allowed the opportunity for me to step into this role. 164 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: And I know it's a big role and it was 165 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: quite demanding, and it does mean that there is a 166 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: long time away from home. But I'm very lucky that 167 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: you get the support of those close to you and 168 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: and they understand that this is a great pleasure and 169 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: a great opportunity to try and do something well. You're 170 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: while you've you're you're wanted by an organization. So it's 171 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: good fun. There is challenging days, but the other fun 172 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: days too. It was easy then, you know it wouldn't 173 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: be as much fun. So we're very, very helpful, humble 174 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 2: to be in the position that we're in. 175 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: Good on you the I know you're away for a 176 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: long time. I get all of that because it's cricket. 177 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: But I mean, you're sitting here talking in the middle 178 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: of October and the dashes aren't over tall January. You're 179 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: away for this seems longer than normal. Is that true? 180 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: It is quite Yeah, this would be one of the 181 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: biggest stretches. It's pretty good, pretty good fun. And I 182 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: mean you sit around watch some of the best players 183 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: in the world go about their business. You get to 184 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: play in front of fool houses the whole time. There's 185 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: plenty of eyes on on the team that you're in 186 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: charge of, and you're playing a bit of golf and 187 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: having a couple of beers and watching guys grow in between. 188 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: And it's a pretty good game. I must admit. 189 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: That's not the Are you gonna beat us? 190 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll find out. I think New John's 191 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 2: a good side. We've bought a strong side here, hopefully 192 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: early season, and you're gone. We get conditions which allow 193 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: us to play both teams, playing staining cricket I think 194 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 2: in the shorter form of the game. You know, we've 195 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: seen how resourceful news On are, so we know what 196 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: they're going to bring. Mitchell Satton has done a great 197 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: job since taking over the cap and say as well. 198 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: He's resourceful with his own game, but also in the 199 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: way it goes about things, and they're in a bit 200 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: of transition the New Zealand side, but we certainly respect 201 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: him and know that we're left to be at our 202 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: best to beat him. 203 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: Good stuff. Nice to talk to you, mate. I appreciate 204 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: your time very much. 205 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 2: Pleasure enjoy listening to you. 206 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: Good on you. Nice to talk to Brendan McCallum. 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