1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from Newstalks EDB. 3 00:00:12,747 --> 00:00:16,347 Speaker 2: We start this hour with a look back in time 4 00:00:16,787 --> 00:00:20,267 Speaker 2: a quarter of a century ago, twenty five years since 5 00:00:20,307 --> 00:00:22,627 Speaker 2: one of the most famous innings and our Test cricket 6 00:00:22,627 --> 00:00:24,627 Speaker 2: hastory point. 7 00:00:24,627 --> 00:00:25,827 Speaker 1: He's gone for a sink bet. 8 00:00:26,347 --> 00:00:31,387 Speaker 3: Start at a A two going towards the boundary four uns. 9 00:00:32,467 --> 00:00:35,787 Speaker 2: That is two hundred. What a moment for him to 10 00:00:35,867 --> 00:00:36,227 Speaker 2: choose it. 11 00:00:36,867 --> 00:00:37,067 Speaker 4: Yeah. 12 00:00:37,067 --> 00:00:40,187 Speaker 2: In the nineteen ninety nine Boxing Day Test against the 13 00:00:40,187 --> 00:00:43,547 Speaker 2: West Indies at the Basin Reserve, Matthew Sinclair scored two 14 00:00:43,627 --> 00:00:47,947 Speaker 2: hundred and fourteen on Test debut, still the highest score 15 00:00:48,067 --> 00:00:50,827 Speaker 2: by a New Zealand batter on their Test debut and 16 00:00:50,867 --> 00:00:53,747 Speaker 2: it helped New Zealand to an innings victory over the 17 00:00:53,747 --> 00:00:56,547 Speaker 2: West Indies. Matthew Sinclair is with us for a bit 18 00:00:56,547 --> 00:00:59,907 Speaker 2: of a wander down memory lane twenty five years ago. Matthew, 19 00:00:59,947 --> 00:01:02,867 Speaker 2: hard to believe. How often do you think back to 20 00:01:03,387 --> 00:01:05,307 Speaker 2: that innings and that Test match? 21 00:01:07,587 --> 00:01:08,547 Speaker 3: Enough? I don't mate it. 22 00:01:08,627 --> 00:01:10,747 Speaker 4: I think I think social media is pretty good for 23 00:01:10,787 --> 00:01:13,427 Speaker 4: that nowadays, you know what I mean? But Nah, it's 24 00:01:13,427 --> 00:01:15,747 Speaker 4: sort of it sort of felt like yesterday. Funny enough, 25 00:01:15,747 --> 00:01:17,347 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, just all the emotions and 26 00:01:17,387 --> 00:01:20,747 Speaker 4: all the all sort of I guess the good will 27 00:01:20,787 --> 00:01:22,987 Speaker 4: that happened with it, and I mean obviously it's in 28 00:01:23,027 --> 00:01:24,947 Speaker 4: the past now sort of stuff, but still good to 29 00:01:25,467 --> 00:01:27,267 Speaker 4: bring up and be lucky enough. 30 00:01:27,067 --> 00:01:27,667 Speaker 3: To be part of it. 31 00:01:27,747 --> 00:01:29,707 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love reminiscing about this sort of thing. Before 32 00:01:29,747 --> 00:01:32,467 Speaker 2: that series, did you feel like you were in the 33 00:01:32,507 --> 00:01:36,307 Speaker 2: frame for selection into the New Zealand team? 34 00:01:36,387 --> 00:01:37,107 Speaker 3: Not really. 35 00:01:37,267 --> 00:01:40,107 Speaker 4: I mean like I had relative pretty good domestic form 36 00:01:40,147 --> 00:01:43,067 Speaker 4: for Central Districts leading up to that, and as it 37 00:01:43,147 --> 00:01:46,187 Speaker 4: turned out, I mean, I only really got my opportunity 38 00:01:46,307 --> 00:01:49,187 Speaker 4: through an injury through Matt Horn, so he broke his 39 00:01:49,307 --> 00:01:54,107 Speaker 4: hand and then obviously got the call up home. Sidrich 40 00:01:54,147 --> 00:01:56,467 Speaker 4: Adien said Matt, you're in the You're in the Test match, 41 00:01:56,507 --> 00:01:57,947 Speaker 4: and I said, wow, okay, cool. 42 00:01:58,067 --> 00:01:58,827 Speaker 3: Way it went from him. 43 00:01:59,187 --> 00:02:01,147 Speaker 2: So you came into the New Zealand side with them, 44 00:02:01,227 --> 00:02:02,667 Speaker 2: you know a couple of guys who've been around for 45 00:02:02,707 --> 00:02:04,907 Speaker 2: a while. Stephen Fleming was the captain, Chris Kens was 46 00:02:04,947 --> 00:02:07,387 Speaker 2: in that team, adam PERORI and others. Was it an 47 00:02:07,427 --> 00:02:10,467 Speaker 2: intimidating team to come into or were you sort of 48 00:02:10,467 --> 00:02:11,867 Speaker 2: welcomed and what was the story there. 49 00:02:12,427 --> 00:02:14,267 Speaker 4: No, I think it was pretty it was pretty welcoming. 50 00:02:14,307 --> 00:02:17,187 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, here's a guy from the middle of nowhere, 51 00:02:17,227 --> 00:02:19,507 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And when I mean nowhere, 52 00:02:19,547 --> 00:02:21,267 Speaker 4: I mean like central districts as as such. You know, 53 00:02:21,347 --> 00:02:23,867 Speaker 4: we are considered the country boys of first class cricket, 54 00:02:23,907 --> 00:02:27,787 Speaker 4: and I guess the opportunity to get on and play 55 00:02:27,787 --> 00:02:30,947 Speaker 4: with the big boys was certainly really overwhelming. 56 00:02:31,067 --> 00:02:32,547 Speaker 3: But I mean they embraced me. 57 00:02:33,027 --> 00:02:35,227 Speaker 4: They obviously had played against quite a few of them 58 00:02:35,267 --> 00:02:38,627 Speaker 4: over the first class sort of time domestic period as well, 59 00:02:38,707 --> 00:02:41,467 Speaker 4: so and I was just like, wow, thankful for the opportunity. 60 00:02:41,507 --> 00:02:45,467 Speaker 2: Really, So in hindsight, how helpful was it to bat first? 61 00:02:45,467 --> 00:02:47,147 Speaker 2: Because West did He's won the Tass I've forgotten this 62 00:02:47,267 --> 00:02:50,867 Speaker 2: sent you in? Was that for you as a debutante 63 00:02:50,907 --> 00:02:53,507 Speaker 2: knowing you were batting three? Was that helpful rather than 64 00:02:53,547 --> 00:02:55,027 Speaker 2: having a couple of days in the field or a 65 00:02:55,067 --> 00:02:57,067 Speaker 2: day in the field, or would you preferred the other 66 00:02:57,107 --> 00:02:57,587 Speaker 2: way around? 67 00:02:58,187 --> 00:02:59,907 Speaker 4: I think probably it was a great chance just to 68 00:02:59,947 --> 00:03:02,947 Speaker 4: get out there straight away. Really, I mean, I mean, 69 00:03:02,987 --> 00:03:05,147 Speaker 4: I have some people preferred the opportunity to give yourself 70 00:03:05,147 --> 00:03:07,307 Speaker 4: a bit of time to get into it, get the 71 00:03:07,307 --> 00:03:09,187 Speaker 4: feel of it sort of thing. But now it was 72 00:03:09,227 --> 00:03:10,627 Speaker 4: for me, it was just to get out there and 73 00:03:10,707 --> 00:03:11,987 Speaker 4: just just get amongst it. 74 00:03:12,027 --> 00:03:12,307 Speaker 3: Really. 75 00:03:12,987 --> 00:03:16,547 Speaker 4: It was obviously pretty nerve wracking for obvious reasons, but 76 00:03:16,987 --> 00:03:19,547 Speaker 4: I guess, you know, my lone mindset. It was just 77 00:03:19,587 --> 00:03:21,147 Speaker 4: to try and get off the mark. That was my 78 00:03:21,707 --> 00:03:23,947 Speaker 4: That was one of my sort of strategies. And then 79 00:03:24,347 --> 00:03:26,627 Speaker 4: and I got a French cut. And then and I 80 00:03:26,627 --> 00:03:29,147 Speaker 4: think I remember walking down. I think Craig Spearman was 81 00:03:29,187 --> 00:03:31,107 Speaker 4: batting me with me at the other end and said, 82 00:03:31,107 --> 00:03:34,427 Speaker 4: matt Or skippy A you know aka so nickname, this 83 00:03:34,467 --> 00:03:37,107 Speaker 4: is going to be your day. And it's like, well, okay, 84 00:03:37,107 --> 00:03:38,907 Speaker 4: away from there, as. 85 00:03:38,707 --> 00:03:41,027 Speaker 2: You were waiting to beat Yeah, yeah, Craig sperm and 86 00:03:41,067 --> 00:03:43,707 Speaker 2: Gary Stead was the was the other opener. Rah, So 87 00:03:43,787 --> 00:03:46,747 Speaker 2: he gets out, you're as you're waiting to bat I mean, 88 00:03:46,987 --> 00:03:49,147 Speaker 2: are you are you nervous? What are the emotions like 89 00:03:49,187 --> 00:03:49,787 Speaker 2: at that time? 90 00:03:50,547 --> 00:03:50,787 Speaker 1: Yeah? 91 00:03:51,027 --> 00:03:54,107 Speaker 4: I mean I'm sort of quite a talkative sort of guy. 92 00:03:54,227 --> 00:03:56,627 Speaker 4: Like if my emotions are more like if I feel 93 00:03:56,667 --> 00:03:58,547 Speaker 4: like I'm nervous, I tend to talk too much, so 94 00:03:59,267 --> 00:04:02,747 Speaker 4: and that tend to happen quite a bit with me, unfortunately. 95 00:04:02,787 --> 00:04:05,027 Speaker 4: But I guess you know, I was sitting next to 96 00:04:05,067 --> 00:04:07,627 Speaker 4: a friend of mine who had played I think through 97 00:04:07,667 --> 00:04:09,627 Speaker 4: age group cricket, and I just sort of talked away 98 00:04:09,667 --> 00:04:11,507 Speaker 4: through to him and and just so of just went 99 00:04:11,547 --> 00:04:14,907 Speaker 4: about my normal business, to be honest, And I guess 100 00:04:14,947 --> 00:04:17,627 Speaker 4: the other thing about it, like I am. You know, 101 00:04:17,627 --> 00:04:19,587 Speaker 4: we talked about crick had been a big mental game, 102 00:04:19,627 --> 00:04:21,347 Speaker 4: and I guess for me it really was to be 103 00:04:21,347 --> 00:04:23,467 Speaker 4: given the opportunity to obviously play from his zeel against 104 00:04:23,547 --> 00:04:26,227 Speaker 4: very good with Indy side, and I just kept self 105 00:04:26,227 --> 00:04:28,227 Speaker 4: talking myself up and said, hey, look I can do this, 106 00:04:28,387 --> 00:04:30,707 Speaker 4: I can do this. And funny enough, the next day 107 00:04:30,707 --> 00:04:32,587 Speaker 4: I just went out and just the mindset was just 108 00:04:32,627 --> 00:04:35,507 Speaker 4: such that I could do this. And that's pretty much 109 00:04:35,507 --> 00:04:36,307 Speaker 4: how it ended up being. 110 00:04:36,427 --> 00:04:40,427 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you, I mean, Craig Speaman got out, Stephen 111 00:04:40,427 --> 00:04:43,067 Speaker 2: Fleming comes and you had a good partnership with him, 112 00:04:43,067 --> 00:04:45,427 Speaker 2: and then following that a good partnership with Nathan Astell 113 00:04:45,467 --> 00:04:48,427 Speaker 2: as well. How how helpful were they as you built 114 00:04:48,427 --> 00:04:49,067 Speaker 2: your runnings? 115 00:04:49,627 --> 00:04:51,867 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the key was the partnerships. And there's 116 00:04:51,867 --> 00:04:56,987 Speaker 4: nothing better batting with batting and partnerships, and obviously with 117 00:04:57,067 --> 00:04:59,267 Speaker 4: like Nathan being there being in the team for a 118 00:04:59,267 --> 00:05:01,627 Speaker 4: while as well, and obviously better with Steven as well, 119 00:05:02,387 --> 00:05:04,827 Speaker 4: just sort of coursing me through the through the trials 120 00:05:04,867 --> 00:05:07,347 Speaker 4: and tribulations of Test match cricker really, so they were 121 00:05:07,427 --> 00:05:09,667 Speaker 4: real massive help. And I guess the other thing was 122 00:05:09,707 --> 00:05:11,507 Speaker 4: nothing better than just keep scoring runs, you know what 123 00:05:11,547 --> 00:05:14,067 Speaker 4: I mean. We had the imputus of good partnerships and 124 00:05:14,067 --> 00:05:16,707 Speaker 4: the opportunity to keep scoring runs, so we just kept 125 00:05:16,707 --> 00:05:17,947 Speaker 4: sort of bringing it onto them. 126 00:05:18,027 --> 00:05:20,187 Speaker 2: So you get to thirty, you get to forty, you 127 00:05:20,187 --> 00:05:22,227 Speaker 2: bring up your half century. Are you starting to feel 128 00:05:22,227 --> 00:05:23,467 Speaker 2: comfortable at the stage? 129 00:05:23,987 --> 00:05:25,587 Speaker 3: Ah, slightly, I like. 130 00:05:26,627 --> 00:05:28,507 Speaker 4: But the ability to get off the mark was my 131 00:05:28,627 --> 00:05:31,227 Speaker 4: first initial thing, and then I guess it just sort 132 00:05:31,227 --> 00:05:34,347 Speaker 4: of kept going from there. When you sort of talk 133 00:05:34,347 --> 00:05:36,667 Speaker 4: about sort of sportsmen getting in the zone sort of thing, 134 00:05:36,707 --> 00:05:39,067 Speaker 4: I started really pretty much getting into that zone and 135 00:05:39,507 --> 00:05:42,747 Speaker 4: was starting to feel slightly comfortable with what was going on, 136 00:05:42,827 --> 00:05:45,267 Speaker 4: and which is like really reveling and obviously a big 137 00:05:45,307 --> 00:05:47,027 Speaker 4: crowd as well, so that pumped me up. 138 00:05:47,067 --> 00:05:48,067 Speaker 3: And yeah, it was. 139 00:05:48,467 --> 00:05:52,187 Speaker 4: Just showing my showcases, really just showing my skills. And 140 00:05:52,227 --> 00:05:54,507 Speaker 4: I guess the ball a lot of majority of the 141 00:05:54,507 --> 00:05:56,787 Speaker 4: times was in my areas and I just maximized on it. 142 00:05:56,987 --> 00:05:58,827 Speaker 2: Tell us about the moment you brought up your hundred. 143 00:05:59,707 --> 00:06:02,507 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was pretty special. I mean they talk about 144 00:06:02,507 --> 00:06:04,507 Speaker 4: the nervous nineties and that sort of thing. It was 145 00:06:04,587 --> 00:06:07,507 Speaker 4: just like, well, yeah, that was definitely my mind. But 146 00:06:07,547 --> 00:06:08,867 Speaker 4: you know, at the end of the day, it was 147 00:06:08,947 --> 00:06:10,987 Speaker 4: just like I think I remember talking to John right 148 00:06:11,027 --> 00:06:13,787 Speaker 4: funny enough prior to the Test match and he said 149 00:06:13,787 --> 00:06:16,107 Speaker 4: to me in the change said, Matt, you know, look 150 00:06:16,147 --> 00:06:18,507 Speaker 4: at the big squad up there and look at it, 151 00:06:18,587 --> 00:06:21,867 Speaker 4: you know, Ms Sinclair one hundred. And then it was 152 00:06:21,867 --> 00:06:24,507 Speaker 4: like wow, okay, so and then yeah, there it was 153 00:06:25,227 --> 00:06:27,787 Speaker 4: ended up being like that in that stage. So yeah, 154 00:06:27,787 --> 00:06:30,147 Speaker 4: it was very special to bring obviously, you know, obviously 155 00:06:30,147 --> 00:06:33,347 Speaker 4: one hundred it's a pinnacle of most cricketers obviously. But 156 00:06:33,387 --> 00:06:34,747 Speaker 4: then it was like, well, no, I just want to 157 00:06:34,787 --> 00:06:35,187 Speaker 4: keep going. 158 00:06:35,347 --> 00:06:36,827 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was going to ask you about that 159 00:06:36,907 --> 00:06:39,307 Speaker 2: because I guess having scored or even having scored thirty 160 00:06:39,387 --> 00:06:42,067 Speaker 2: or forty, I haven't failed on my Test Dayboo. You 161 00:06:42,147 --> 00:06:43,947 Speaker 2: bring up one hundred, and man, I've scored one hundred 162 00:06:43,987 --> 00:06:46,267 Speaker 2: on Test day boo. But then what sort of internal 163 00:06:46,267 --> 00:06:48,387 Speaker 2: conversations are you having with yourself to say right, this 164 00:06:48,507 --> 00:06:50,187 Speaker 2: isn't enough. I'm carrying on here. 165 00:06:50,747 --> 00:06:54,067 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's built around I guess a lot 166 00:06:54,107 --> 00:06:57,787 Speaker 4: of you know, make Haywall sunshine sort of thing. And 167 00:06:57,867 --> 00:07:00,507 Speaker 4: I guess through my domestic career, you know, I was 168 00:07:00,587 --> 00:07:03,427 Speaker 4: always about when I do get you know, hundreds or 169 00:07:03,467 --> 00:07:05,067 Speaker 4: we call it big scores, and I just wanted to 170 00:07:05,147 --> 00:07:06,747 Speaker 4: keep going and going, you know, I mean, I just 171 00:07:06,747 --> 00:07:09,147 Speaker 4: wanted to be someone different in that respect, you know, 172 00:07:09,627 --> 00:07:11,067 Speaker 4: you hear, like you said before, a lot of people 173 00:07:11,107 --> 00:07:13,547 Speaker 4: getting thirties and forties, you know, and I try and 174 00:07:13,587 --> 00:07:15,907 Speaker 4: teach sort of guys and the kids and those going 175 00:07:15,907 --> 00:07:19,107 Speaker 4: through firstas cricket. You know, that's only that's sort of 176 00:07:19,147 --> 00:07:21,067 Speaker 4: part of the so called problem. Let's get the solution, 177 00:07:21,187 --> 00:07:22,307 Speaker 4: the solutions to keep. 178 00:07:22,187 --> 00:07:22,787 Speaker 3: Going and going. 179 00:07:22,827 --> 00:07:24,947 Speaker 4: Really, I mean, we should really be seeing the ball 180 00:07:24,987 --> 00:07:27,787 Speaker 4: like a absolute beach ball, you know what I mean. So, 181 00:07:28,747 --> 00:07:31,147 Speaker 4: and I guess may it was just like, well, I'm 182 00:07:31,147 --> 00:07:32,947 Speaker 4: just going to keep going here because we were in 183 00:07:32,987 --> 00:07:35,107 Speaker 4: a good position. I had a lot of partnerships with 184 00:07:35,147 --> 00:07:37,267 Speaker 4: various other guys through the through the endings, and we 185 00:07:37,307 --> 00:07:39,627 Speaker 4: just kept going on with that and keep rolling with it. 186 00:07:39,707 --> 00:07:41,427 Speaker 2: Wasn't I think my memory is right. 187 00:07:41,427 --> 00:07:41,587 Speaker 4: Here. 188 00:07:41,587 --> 00:07:42,987 Speaker 2: It is a long time ago. It was Nathan asked 189 00:07:42,987 --> 00:07:44,587 Speaker 2: to run out as you tried to bring up your 190 00:07:44,587 --> 00:07:45,387 Speaker 2: two hundred, isn't it. 191 00:07:45,947 --> 00:07:46,307 Speaker 3: Yeah? 192 00:07:46,387 --> 00:07:49,227 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I think Nathan will probably never forgive that. 193 00:07:50,427 --> 00:07:52,947 Speaker 4: I will say that it was his call, not mine. 194 00:07:53,067 --> 00:07:57,587 Speaker 4: So but if Nathan's obviously listened, this is probably different 195 00:07:57,667 --> 00:08:00,027 Speaker 4: instead of variation. But I mean that just sort of shows, 196 00:08:00,067 --> 00:08:02,227 Speaker 4: you know, just the I guess the closest we had 197 00:08:02,227 --> 00:08:03,907 Speaker 4: in the team, that we were pushing each other to 198 00:08:03,907 --> 00:08:05,507 Speaker 4: do what we need to do and having a good 199 00:08:05,547 --> 00:08:08,307 Speaker 4: parts with Nathan as well help that, and obviously trying 200 00:08:08,347 --> 00:08:09,587 Speaker 4: to get me through to that as well. 201 00:08:09,987 --> 00:08:12,667 Speaker 2: So shortly after that you did bring up the two hundred. 202 00:08:12,707 --> 00:08:14,627 Speaker 2: What what is it like looking up at that school 203 00:08:14,667 --> 00:08:16,907 Speaker 2: board and seeing ms and clear two hundred? 204 00:08:17,307 --> 00:08:17,547 Speaker 1: Yeah? 205 00:08:17,627 --> 00:08:20,307 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean obviously that was just I mean, other 206 00:08:20,347 --> 00:08:22,747 Speaker 4: records just kept falling and falling. Really, I guess through 207 00:08:22,787 --> 00:08:24,707 Speaker 4: the through the times and the period that I was 208 00:08:24,787 --> 00:08:26,827 Speaker 4: kept batting, and I remember we break I had, you 209 00:08:26,907 --> 00:08:28,907 Speaker 4: know what, I mean, Ken's was saying, hey, Skip, you 210 00:08:28,947 --> 00:08:31,227 Speaker 4: know look what you've done. You're hitting, you're taking, you're 211 00:08:31,227 --> 00:08:33,067 Speaker 4: pushing everybody else down sort of stuff. You know what 212 00:08:33,067 --> 00:08:35,667 Speaker 4: I mean, just keep going, man. You know, typical bottlers 213 00:08:35,667 --> 00:08:38,187 Speaker 4: a you know, have as much time on the sidelines 214 00:08:38,227 --> 00:08:40,947 Speaker 4: as possible sort of things. So they were telling me 215 00:08:40,987 --> 00:08:42,987 Speaker 4: all the way through it, hey, just just keep going, 216 00:08:42,987 --> 00:08:45,147 Speaker 4: you keep breaking the records, and I just kept going. 217 00:08:45,187 --> 00:08:48,547 Speaker 4: I mean like eventually fatigue sort of did start impact 218 00:08:48,547 --> 00:08:51,867 Speaker 4: things on the ennings. I can't remember findy how long 219 00:08:51,907 --> 00:08:53,587 Speaker 4: I bat it for probably eight nine hours. 220 00:08:53,427 --> 00:08:55,267 Speaker 3: Sort of stuff. It was certainly up there sort of thing. 221 00:08:55,307 --> 00:08:57,947 Speaker 4: But you know it was a sort of got on me, 222 00:08:57,987 --> 00:08:59,787 Speaker 4: I guess really just for the mental sort of side 223 00:08:59,787 --> 00:09:02,107 Speaker 4: of it. But yeah, to see that up on the 224 00:09:02,107 --> 00:09:03,907 Speaker 4: scool would get there's something very special. 225 00:09:04,067 --> 00:09:06,587 Speaker 2: Yeah, close to nine hours it was. So eventually, say, 226 00:09:06,627 --> 00:09:10,067 Speaker 2: fatigue setting, you're out for two fourteen, So you walk 227 00:09:10,107 --> 00:09:11,187 Speaker 2: back in. Are are you then? 228 00:09:11,267 --> 00:09:11,347 Speaker 4: What? 229 00:09:11,467 --> 00:09:14,627 Speaker 2: Sitting alone just reflecting in the in the changing room 230 00:09:14,707 --> 00:09:16,467 Speaker 2: under the basin there for for a few months. 231 00:09:17,107 --> 00:09:18,027 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty cool. 232 00:09:18,067 --> 00:09:19,507 Speaker 4: It was just like you know, when they bring up 233 00:09:19,507 --> 00:09:21,907 Speaker 4: the highlights and it was just just awesome just to 234 00:09:21,907 --> 00:09:23,707 Speaker 4: see the highlights and it was like, well it was 235 00:09:23,747 --> 00:09:26,107 Speaker 4: that actually me, you know what I mean. And yeah, 236 00:09:26,347 --> 00:09:28,867 Speaker 4: it just like I said before, it's like I was 237 00:09:28,907 --> 00:09:30,587 Speaker 4: in the zone, you know. I mean I just felt like, 238 00:09:31,027 --> 00:09:32,587 Speaker 4: no matter what you threw at me, I had an 239 00:09:32,627 --> 00:09:35,667 Speaker 4: answer for it. And that was pretty special. And a 240 00:09:35,707 --> 00:09:37,547 Speaker 4: lot of cricketers will talk to you about that. When 241 00:09:37,547 --> 00:09:39,747 Speaker 4: they're in that zone and things are happening, it just 242 00:09:40,107 --> 00:09:42,507 Speaker 4: ends to happen. And I guess that sort of that 243 00:09:42,627 --> 00:09:44,747 Speaker 4: day day and a half for me was pretty much 244 00:09:44,747 --> 00:09:45,227 Speaker 4: part of that. 245 00:09:45,947 --> 00:09:48,427 Speaker 2: Your three Test centuries with that one two fourteen, two 246 00:09:48,507 --> 00:09:51,547 Speaker 2: hundred and four not out and one fifty. I guess 247 00:09:51,587 --> 00:09:54,187 Speaker 2: goes back to what you said before. But what was 248 00:09:54,187 --> 00:09:57,067 Speaker 2: it in you that wanted to make big hundreds? 249 00:09:57,667 --> 00:09:59,827 Speaker 4: I think just to never give in and to never 250 00:09:59,867 --> 00:10:02,667 Speaker 4: give up. And like I said of mentioned before, like 251 00:10:02,747 --> 00:10:06,227 Speaker 4: as batsman, you know, we you know, I just want 252 00:10:06,267 --> 00:10:09,307 Speaker 4: to to keep going. You know, we talk about sort 253 00:10:09,307 --> 00:10:11,667 Speaker 4: of the figures of getting one hundred or one fifty, 254 00:10:11,707 --> 00:10:13,387 Speaker 4: two hundred. Well, I looked at us trying to get 255 00:10:13,387 --> 00:10:15,707 Speaker 4: a big score. So I always kept sort of sayingmself, 256 00:10:15,707 --> 00:10:18,507 Speaker 4: what's a big score? Keep getting a big score? And 257 00:10:18,587 --> 00:10:20,947 Speaker 4: fow know, we talked about as various work mates. You know, 258 00:10:21,027 --> 00:10:23,507 Speaker 4: he look like a Brian Lara, you know, the guy 259 00:10:23,627 --> 00:10:25,747 Speaker 4: just kept batting for long periods of time, you know 260 00:10:25,787 --> 00:10:27,867 Speaker 4: what I mean, And it's like, well, that's what he's 261 00:10:27,907 --> 00:10:30,387 Speaker 4: renowned for, and that's that's the mental I guess I 262 00:10:30,467 --> 00:10:32,627 Speaker 4: just had that mental attitude to keep going. I just 263 00:10:32,707 --> 00:10:34,547 Speaker 4: never wanted to give in. I just wanted to keep going. 264 00:10:35,107 --> 00:10:37,307 Speaker 4: And I guess that's my forte, I guess of all 265 00:10:37,387 --> 00:10:39,267 Speaker 4: my cricket, I guess you know, when I did get 266 00:10:39,907 --> 00:10:41,867 Speaker 4: a big score, I'd try to keep going and going, 267 00:10:41,867 --> 00:10:43,667 Speaker 4: you know, because it's just the beauty about it. 268 00:10:44,107 --> 00:10:47,267 Speaker 2: Well, the Western he's sledging you, chatting to you early 269 00:10:47,307 --> 00:10:49,147 Speaker 2: in the innings, and I guess they would have quietened 270 00:10:49,187 --> 00:10:51,707 Speaker 2: down later. But were they big chatter as the Windy's boys. 271 00:10:52,387 --> 00:10:53,147 Speaker 3: No, they weren't. 272 00:10:53,187 --> 00:10:55,987 Speaker 4: I think initially when I got out there there was 273 00:10:56,027 --> 00:10:57,787 Speaker 4: the odd short ball at my head sort of stuff, 274 00:10:57,827 --> 00:11:00,027 Speaker 4: just to remind me, hey, welcome to Test match cricket, 275 00:11:00,067 --> 00:11:02,907 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I had a little 276 00:11:02,907 --> 00:11:04,547 Speaker 4: bit of an idea as to how I wanted to 277 00:11:04,547 --> 00:11:06,947 Speaker 4: go about my innings as well. And I did play 278 00:11:06,987 --> 00:11:08,827 Speaker 4: a game against the Western his team, I think it 279 00:11:08,827 --> 00:11:10,947 Speaker 4: could have been in Taalpo, and that just gave me 280 00:11:10,987 --> 00:11:12,547 Speaker 4: a bit of an insight into what they were like. 281 00:11:12,627 --> 00:11:14,147 Speaker 4: I think I scored twenty eighth there and it was 282 00:11:14,187 --> 00:11:17,387 Speaker 4: just like a one day warm warm up match sort 283 00:11:17,387 --> 00:11:19,387 Speaker 4: of thing. So I had a bit of an idea 284 00:11:19,427 --> 00:11:20,907 Speaker 4: as to what they were trying to bowl on how 285 00:11:20,947 --> 00:11:22,907 Speaker 4: they're trying to go about it. So I mean I 286 00:11:22,947 --> 00:11:24,987 Speaker 4: went into that Test match with a plant as well 287 00:11:25,787 --> 00:11:28,427 Speaker 4: and my strength as my sort of first class players 288 00:11:28,427 --> 00:11:30,387 Speaker 4: out there. No as, I like it through the off side, 289 00:11:30,707 --> 00:11:32,987 Speaker 4: back of length through the off side, and I guess 290 00:11:33,027 --> 00:11:34,587 Speaker 4: that was one of the ideas that I went in 291 00:11:34,747 --> 00:11:36,427 Speaker 4: was Okay, well these guys are going to pitch anything 292 00:11:36,467 --> 00:11:39,627 Speaker 4: on the front foot the boot, tall guys, you know, lanky, 293 00:11:40,027 --> 00:11:42,227 Speaker 4: just a different type of scenarios of the ball that 294 00:11:42,307 --> 00:11:44,147 Speaker 4: was getting was gonna be a lot different. So I 295 00:11:44,227 --> 00:11:46,187 Speaker 4: ended up working around, okay, well this is what's going 296 00:11:46,227 --> 00:11:47,867 Speaker 4: to be like in this is hung about scoring it. 297 00:11:48,267 --> 00:11:49,747 Speaker 2: I remember in the lead up to the Test there 298 00:11:49,747 --> 00:11:51,307 Speaker 2: was a bit of chat about the fact you were 299 00:11:51,307 --> 00:11:55,507 Speaker 2: born in Australia and I remember the back page of 300 00:11:55,547 --> 00:11:57,507 Speaker 2: the I guess it would have been the Dominion, Dominion 301 00:11:57,507 --> 00:11:59,707 Speaker 2: Post whatever it was. The next day, he's a key 302 00:11:59,747 --> 00:12:01,387 Speaker 2: we Now do you remember that he liked you? 303 00:12:01,867 --> 00:12:02,107 Speaker 3: Yeah? 304 00:12:02,147 --> 00:12:05,147 Speaker 4: I do, as amazing it's almost like, you know, it 305 00:12:05,547 --> 00:12:09,347 Speaker 4: was one of us, but he's yours now. But yeah, 306 00:12:09,627 --> 00:12:11,827 Speaker 4: it's it's sort of quite It's quite funny how like 307 00:12:11,867 --> 00:12:13,627 Speaker 4: that sort of tends to start happening, How they like 308 00:12:13,707 --> 00:12:15,187 Speaker 4: to claim us as theirs when we do. 309 00:12:15,187 --> 00:12:16,747 Speaker 3: Well when they're and we don't do well. I don't 310 00:12:16,747 --> 00:12:18,027 Speaker 3: want to know about us, you know what I mean? 311 00:12:18,187 --> 00:12:21,307 Speaker 4: So I get that. But you know, here's a guy 312 00:12:21,467 --> 00:12:23,947 Speaker 4: from northern Territory. Half of it, wouldn't know where I 313 00:12:23,987 --> 00:12:24,347 Speaker 4: was born. 314 00:12:24,427 --> 00:12:26,747 Speaker 3: Sort of stuff. Good quiz question. 315 00:12:26,827 --> 00:12:28,987 Speaker 4: I think they need two international players that I've actually 316 00:12:29,027 --> 00:12:31,307 Speaker 4: from northern Urrech for myself and Damien Martin. So if 317 00:12:31,347 --> 00:12:33,507 Speaker 4: you ever find that on us spaces bottle cap or 318 00:12:33,467 --> 00:12:38,547 Speaker 4: a too he cap tiny thing Damien Marson. So, but yeah, 319 00:12:38,627 --> 00:12:40,227 Speaker 4: I mean like it was, you know, I got some 320 00:12:40,267 --> 00:12:42,787 Speaker 4: the zentlements five years of age. I put a lot 321 00:12:42,827 --> 00:12:45,187 Speaker 4: of my cricketing career down to going to very good 322 00:12:45,187 --> 00:12:48,627 Speaker 4: schools Huntley School, especially in Palmers North Boys High School, 323 00:12:49,107 --> 00:12:51,507 Speaker 4: and I just fell in love with the game. You know, 324 00:12:51,627 --> 00:12:55,067 Speaker 4: I had no genealogy around, no family played cricket, and 325 00:12:55,147 --> 00:12:57,067 Speaker 4: I just worked really really hard to be the best 326 00:12:57,067 --> 00:12:59,227 Speaker 4: I could be and to be give an opportunity to 327 00:12:59,267 --> 00:13:01,587 Speaker 4: obviously Writtensen and play for my country is as very 328 00:13:01,627 --> 00:13:04,347 Speaker 4: very special and to do what I have done. Yeah. 329 00:13:04,427 --> 00:13:04,667 Speaker 3: Sure. 330 00:13:04,787 --> 00:13:07,107 Speaker 4: My whole career has had its ups and downs, and 331 00:13:07,467 --> 00:13:09,547 Speaker 4: you know I read about those and I was like, yep, well, 332 00:13:09,787 --> 00:13:12,867 Speaker 4: you know, unfortunately top sports is like that, you know 333 00:13:12,907 --> 00:13:14,347 Speaker 4: what I mean, And that's why I guess you know, 334 00:13:14,387 --> 00:13:16,267 Speaker 4: when I did have it in my day, I certainly 335 00:13:16,267 --> 00:13:16,867 Speaker 4: made the most of it. 336 00:13:16,907 --> 00:13:18,627 Speaker 2: Absolutely. We'll tell you what. No one can ever take 337 00:13:18,667 --> 00:13:20,467 Speaker 2: a double hundred or a couple of other hundreds in 338 00:13:20,507 --> 00:13:23,227 Speaker 2: your case away from you. So what's your what's your 339 00:13:23,267 --> 00:13:24,827 Speaker 2: involvement in cricket these days? 340 00:13:25,267 --> 00:13:27,307 Speaker 4: So not a heac of a lot at the moment. 341 00:13:28,187 --> 00:13:30,627 Speaker 4: I do have opportunities over in India where I go 342 00:13:30,707 --> 00:13:33,227 Speaker 4: over there and actually sort of coach and sort of 343 00:13:33,267 --> 00:13:35,787 Speaker 4: mentor a lot of kids over there. I do have 344 00:13:35,827 --> 00:13:38,267 Speaker 4: a cricket academy, so I try and get the opportunity 345 00:13:38,267 --> 00:13:41,267 Speaker 4: to get over there as much as possible. I must 346 00:13:41,267 --> 00:13:42,907 Speaker 4: admit it. It's really hard point me. I mean, I've 347 00:13:42,947 --> 00:13:45,307 Speaker 4: got a brain sitting in here of thirty two years 348 00:13:45,307 --> 00:13:48,307 Speaker 4: I've experienced playing here in New Zealand on every conditions. 349 00:13:48,347 --> 00:13:50,667 Speaker 4: I know half the parks around here off the back 350 00:13:50,707 --> 00:13:52,947 Speaker 4: of my hand, and you know, I'm really keen to 351 00:13:52,987 --> 00:13:54,627 Speaker 4: sort of and put a lot of that knowledge onto 352 00:13:54,787 --> 00:13:57,547 Speaker 4: to a lot of the guys nowadays. You know, we 353 00:13:57,387 --> 00:13:59,067 Speaker 4: we were laughing about it before. You know, I was 354 00:13:59,067 --> 00:14:01,387 Speaker 4: looking at on the TV nineteen eighty three what it 355 00:14:01,467 --> 00:14:03,387 Speaker 4: used to be like back then to what cricket is now. 356 00:14:03,467 --> 00:14:05,587 Speaker 4: You know what I mean, It's like it's always evolving, 357 00:14:05,867 --> 00:14:07,947 Speaker 4: but yet always comes down to simple thing. It's a 358 00:14:07,987 --> 00:14:09,667 Speaker 4: bat and a ball, you know what I mean. So, 359 00:14:10,467 --> 00:14:12,987 Speaker 4: and I guess for me, it's just like I still 360 00:14:13,067 --> 00:14:15,907 Speaker 4: enjoy watching the game and I still partake. I still 361 00:14:15,907 --> 00:14:18,987 Speaker 4: played Premier cricket as best I can on a Friday 362 00:14:19,027 --> 00:14:22,867 Speaker 4: night for twenty twenty. So I guess that competitiveness is always. 363 00:14:22,627 --> 00:14:24,907 Speaker 3: Going to be there, and I don't think they'll ever 364 00:14:25,027 --> 00:14:25,307 Speaker 3: leave me. 365 00:14:25,507 --> 00:14:28,027 Speaker 2: Well, I hope that others can get the benefit of 366 00:14:28,027 --> 00:14:29,787 Speaker 2: your experience. I'm sure they do. I'll tell you what 367 00:14:29,787 --> 00:14:33,387 Speaker 2: else this did for me was bemoan now, the lack 368 00:14:33,427 --> 00:14:37,387 Speaker 2: of a boxing day test. I know they started it 369 00:14:37,427 --> 00:14:39,427 Speaker 2: and Dawley got seven for in the first one. You 370 00:14:39,507 --> 00:14:42,027 Speaker 2: got your double hundred, and it kind of you went 371 00:14:42,027 --> 00:14:43,547 Speaker 2: on for a few years and then sort of faded away. 372 00:14:43,587 --> 00:14:46,027 Speaker 2: I get the fact that white ball is the name 373 00:14:46,027 --> 00:14:47,747 Speaker 2: of the game these days, but the Boxing Day test 374 00:14:47,747 --> 00:14:49,867 Speaker 2: there was something special about it, even for a short time. 375 00:14:50,707 --> 00:14:53,787 Speaker 4: I totally agree, and I wish they could bring it back. 376 00:14:53,987 --> 00:14:55,867 Speaker 4: I guess the thing is it's trying to get teams 377 00:14:56,227 --> 00:14:59,867 Speaker 4: over to New Zealand here around that time because Christmas 378 00:15:00,267 --> 00:15:02,467 Speaker 4: is quite special for a for a lot of teams 379 00:15:02,467 --> 00:15:04,907 Speaker 4: and players sort of stuff. But I would love to 380 00:15:04,907 --> 00:15:07,107 Speaker 4: bring it back here. I think should be a fixture 381 00:15:07,147 --> 00:15:09,467 Speaker 4: every year. The Australians do it, and look how well 382 00:15:09,467 --> 00:15:10,787 Speaker 4: they're doing with it, you know what I mean. It's 383 00:15:11,067 --> 00:15:13,307 Speaker 4: like a it's an iconic thing over there that that's 384 00:15:13,347 --> 00:15:16,107 Speaker 4: what they do. So you know, we should embrace it 385 00:15:16,147 --> 00:15:18,667 Speaker 4: and we should start looking into it. Yes, the od 386 00:15:18,827 --> 00:15:20,427 Speaker 4: I sort of side of it. The twenty twenty is 387 00:15:20,427 --> 00:15:22,987 Speaker 4: starting to take a take a big impact onto the game. 388 00:15:22,987 --> 00:15:25,027 Speaker 4: But there's nothing better, guys than you're sitting down there 389 00:15:25,067 --> 00:15:27,067 Speaker 4: on a nice day when you've got the Berhoda car 390 00:15:27,227 --> 00:15:29,467 Speaker 4: was behind you around Christmas time and just having a 391 00:15:29,467 --> 00:15:31,587 Speaker 4: few bevies and just watching cricket and sunshine. 392 00:15:31,707 --> 00:15:32,347 Speaker 3: There's nothing better. 393 00:15:32,867 --> 00:15:35,027 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I well twenty five years on. I remember 394 00:15:35,067 --> 00:15:36,787 Speaker 2: sitting high in the vance stand for a bit, on 395 00:15:36,827 --> 00:15:39,267 Speaker 2: the bank for a bit watching you smash the windy 396 00:15:39,267 --> 00:15:41,387 Speaker 2: stall parts copy. It was just such a such a 397 00:15:41,387 --> 00:15:43,587 Speaker 2: brilliant moment in our history. Hey, thanks for reminiscing it. 398 00:15:43,627 --> 00:15:45,667 Speaker 2: But with his made and wandering down memory lane. Always 399 00:15:45,707 --> 00:15:46,387 Speaker 2: enjoyed chatting. 400 00:15:47,067 --> 00:15:48,907 Speaker 4: I'm joy chatting cricket all the time, my friend. So 401 00:15:48,987 --> 00:15:50,027 Speaker 4: thanks opportunity, now. 402 00:15:49,947 --> 00:15:53,147 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Matthew. Matthew Sinclair twenty five years 403 00:15:53,147 --> 00:15:55,667 Speaker 2: on from his double one hundred on debut and the 404 00:15:55,707 --> 00:15:59,067 Speaker 2: Boxing Day Test of nineteen ninety nine New Zealand against 405 00:15:59,067 --> 00:16:01,267 Speaker 2: the West and he's that was the second Boxing Day Test. 406 00:16:01,267 --> 00:16:04,667 Speaker 2: The first one nineteen ninety eight New Zealand beat India 407 00:16:04,747 --> 00:16:07,347 Speaker 2: by four wickets. I think Simon Doll got seven for 408 00:16:07,947 --> 00:16:11,227 Speaker 2: in that Test. But this one in nineteen ninety nine. 409 00:16:11,587 --> 00:16:13,907 Speaker 2: They look at the New Zealand team, Craig Spearman and 410 00:16:13,947 --> 00:16:17,827 Speaker 2: Gary Stead opening the batting, then Sinclair at three, Stephen Fleming, 411 00:16:17,907 --> 00:16:21,987 Speaker 2: Nathan ast Or, Craig McMillan, Chris Kens, adam PERORI, Dion 412 00:16:22,107 --> 00:16:26,347 Speaker 2: Nash batting at nine, Daniel Vittori and Shane O'Connor that 413 00:16:26,507 --> 00:16:29,987 Speaker 2: was the lineup. Sinclair two hundred and fourteen, Nathan Nastell 414 00:16:30,107 --> 00:16:34,147 Speaker 2: ninety three, Stephen Fleming got sixty seven and other contributions 415 00:16:34,147 --> 00:16:37,987 Speaker 2: from others five hundred and eighteen for nine declared the 416 00:16:37,987 --> 00:16:40,107 Speaker 2: Western He's bowled out for one hundred and seventy nine 417 00:16:40,227 --> 00:16:43,547 Speaker 2: in their first innings, with Chris Kens taking five for 418 00:16:43,547 --> 00:16:46,587 Speaker 2: forty four, and following on all out for two hundred 419 00:16:46,627 --> 00:16:49,427 Speaker 2: and thirty four in their second innings with Dion Nash 420 00:16:49,507 --> 00:16:51,947 Speaker 2: taking four for thirty eight. So it was all over 421 00:16:52,507 --> 00:16:56,307 Speaker 2: on the fourth day, an innings victory for New Zealand 422 00:16:56,307 --> 00:16:59,667 Speaker 2: in the Boxing Day Test of nineteen ninety nine. They 423 00:16:59,667 --> 00:17:01,907 Speaker 2: should bring it back, shouldn't they. I know we've got 424 00:17:01,947 --> 00:17:05,787 Speaker 2: cricket tonight in Mount Monganui, but a T twenty International 425 00:17:05,827 --> 00:17:07,707 Speaker 2: isn't quite the same. And I look at the scenes 426 00:17:08,187 --> 00:17:10,227 Speaker 2: in Melbourne and I know it's different over there, and 427 00:17:10,267 --> 00:17:13,267 Speaker 2: it's been going for a lot longer. But that's the thing. 428 00:17:13,307 --> 00:17:15,907 Speaker 2: If you're going to start it, carry it on, and 429 00:17:15,907 --> 00:17:18,987 Speaker 2: New Zealand cricket did for a while. There was a 430 00:17:19,027 --> 00:17:22,707 Speaker 2: Test in two thousand, two thousand and one, then in 431 00:17:22,747 --> 00:17:24,507 Speaker 2: two thousand and two it was replaced by a one 432 00:17:24,587 --> 00:17:27,147 Speaker 2: day back to a Test match in two thousand and three. 433 00:17:27,707 --> 00:17:30,547 Speaker 2: I remember that one. Pakistan beat US and Shabaktar was 434 00:17:30,627 --> 00:17:35,307 Speaker 2: frightening in that test, charing in and just bowling at 435 00:17:35,307 --> 00:17:38,107 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty clicks. Maybe that's why they decided 436 00:17:38,187 --> 00:17:41,547 Speaker 2: not to have them anymore, because there wasn't a boxing 437 00:17:41,627 --> 00:17:45,987 Speaker 2: day Test after two thousand and three until twenty fourteen, 438 00:17:46,267 --> 00:17:49,587 Speaker 2: at which point it moved to Hagley Oval Test against 439 00:17:49,587 --> 00:17:52,627 Speaker 2: Sri Lanka, which New Zealand won by eight wickets, and 440 00:17:52,667 --> 00:17:56,387 Speaker 2: then twenty eighteen, also at Hagley, I went over Sri 441 00:17:56,467 --> 00:17:59,027 Speaker 2: Lanka by four hundred and twenty three runs. And the 442 00:17:59,107 --> 00:18:02,107 Speaker 2: last time we had a Boxing Day Test was in 443 00:18:02,147 --> 00:18:04,867 Speaker 2: twenty twenty when Pakistan were here. I went by New 444 00:18:04,947 --> 00:18:07,707 Speaker 2: Zealand by one hundred and one runs. As I say, 445 00:18:07,827 --> 00:18:09,907 Speaker 2: be great to have it back. I don't know whether 446 00:18:09,947 --> 00:18:12,107 Speaker 2: we ever will. The white ball cricket seems to pay 447 00:18:12,107 --> 00:18:15,187 Speaker 2: the bills, doesn't it. But having started the tradition at 448 00:18:15,187 --> 00:18:18,507 Speaker 2: the back end of the nineteen nineties, I just I 449 00:18:18,547 --> 00:18:20,347 Speaker 2: don't know where the New Zealand cricket and hindsight with 450 00:18:20,427 --> 00:18:22,427 Speaker 2: which they had carried it on. I certainly wish they 451 00:18:22,507 --> 00:18:25,547 Speaker 2: had and just kept it at the basin as well, 452 00:18:25,707 --> 00:18:28,827 Speaker 2: just as the Boxing Day Test and Australia is always 453 00:18:29,147 --> 00:18:32,067 Speaker 2: at the MCG. Speaking of which, Australia have picked up 454 00:18:32,067 --> 00:18:35,787 Speaker 2: a wicket reesharb Pant caught by Nathan Lyon off the 455 00:18:35,787 --> 00:18:41,227 Speaker 2: bowling of Scott Boland for twenty eight India one ninety 456 00:18:41,307 --> 00:18:44,107 Speaker 2: nine for six. They still trail by two hundred and 457 00:18:44,187 --> 00:18:48,147 Speaker 2: seventy five runs out there in the middle Ravendra Jadasia 458 00:18:48,307 --> 00:18:51,467 Speaker 2: He's on ten, joined by Natish Kumar Ready who is 459 00:18:51,747 --> 00:18:54,307 Speaker 2: unbeaten on seven. So still a bit of work to 460 00:18:54,307 --> 00:18:56,707 Speaker 2: do for India if they are to avoid the follow 461 00:18:56,747 --> 00:18:59,107 Speaker 2: on in the Boxing Day Test at the MCG. 462 00:18:59,947 --> 00:19:03,107 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 463 00:19:03,227 --> 00:19:06,467 Speaker 1: to News Talk zed B weekends from midday or foll 464 00:19:06,507 --> 00:19:08,147 Speaker 1: of the podcast on iHeartRadio