1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: Barrisoper, Senior political Correspondence with US. 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 2: Hello, Barry, Good afternoon, Heather. 3 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so what did you think of Winston Peter's speech. 4 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: Well, look, I've read the full speech and to me, 5 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: it was a very well argued and well positioned speech. 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 2: And you know, New Zealand has always said it's had 7 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: its own foreign policy independent of any other country in 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 2: the world, and I think just this just goes to 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: show that we do. It's in line with countries like 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: Singapore and Japan who are taking a very similar position 11 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: to New Zealand. But what Winston Peters argued was that 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: Palestine doesn't meet the criteria of a state as it 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: doesn't have control over its own population. I mean, Amas 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: is still in charge in Palestine theoretically. Anyway, little do 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 2: we know about them because no journalists are allowed by 16 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: Israel into the country to find out. But you know, 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: I think we took a very responsible, a hard position. 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: People have very strong views on both sides. Those who 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: though we're supporting the actions of Israel are plainly wrong 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: and stupid because that is not the position that New 21 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: Zealand's taking. Getting back at six o'clock this morning from 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: the Big Apple, has clearly taken Winston Peters out of 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: play today, with Chris Luxon being left to explain the 24 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: decision here, he. 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: Is Hamas is a brutal, brutal terrorist organization. We continue 26 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 3: to call out Israel for its grossly disproportionate response. You 27 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 3: cannot recognize a state where a terrorist organization is the 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: de facto government of Gaza, which is a large proportion 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: of Palestinian, a state that would ultimately emerge. Hamas are 30 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 3: orchestrated a massacre unforeseen in the history of Israel. One 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: two hundred innocent people at a music festival. We're massacre. 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty one people were taken as hostages. 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: Forty eight still remain. 34 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: And we know the casualties on the other side, many 35 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: many more than what was a ocurred on October the 36 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: seventh in Israel. But Harmus may eventually, obviously will be 37 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: taken out of play and then will presumably recognize Palestine 38 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: as a state. But you can imagine what that state 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: will comprise. I mean, many people living in it will 40 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: have seen parents, brothers and sisters, loved ones killed by 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: the Israelis. And I don't think that you may stamp 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: out one terrorist organization, but it'll spawn, in my view 43 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: clearly another one. 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: Yeap quite right, Okay, good decision by Chris Pink today. 45 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: Well it's fantastic, isn't it. I mean, you know, living 46 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 2: most of my life in Wellington, and since this legislation 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: was passed, you see Reading Cinemas a whole block virtually 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: on Courtney Place having been closed down for earthquake strengtheningt 49 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: doing it at the moment. 50 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: Basically whatteen That's right. 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: When I went to the movies there, I always felt 52 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 2: totally safe. And when we had the ki Kura quake 53 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: that really battled Wellington. I know the apartment that we 54 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: had on the fifteenth floor of a building that was 55 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: earthquake proof. It was shaken from side to side, furniture 56 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: thrown all over the place. You couldn't get into a door. 57 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: Well that's what it's meant to happen when it is 58 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: earthquake proof. But Reading Cinema they stood throughout it, hardly 59 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: a crack. And you look at other places there, the 60 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: Central Library that's been closed because the building needs strengthened. 61 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: That big Flash hotel, I can't remember the name of it. 62 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: The amoral was Flash, not flesh anymore. 63 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: Well, no it's not, because it's been left derelict. So 64 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: clearly the risk analysis of these buildings will be now 65 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: taken into account more fully. And the great thing is 66 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: that Auckland, which of course will never have an earthquake. 67 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: And I love the figures that you read out earlier. 68 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: What it would save Auckland and the Chatham Islands. Well, 69 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: the Chatham's hardly got any building. I've been there over 70 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: two stories anyway. So the and North taken out of play, 71 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: which is good, but look essentially the building industry Chris 72 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: pink He emphasized the savings to areas unlikely ever to 73 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: be hit by. 74 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: An earthquake, and Danny Vick, for example, with a population 75 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: of just five thousand, six hundred, the savings are estimated 76 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 4: at around sixty eight million dollars. Morrinsville, which falls under 77 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 4: the population cap as well, stands to save about fifty 78 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 4: million dollars. Taken together, these changes will remove around fifty 79 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 4: five percent of current earthquake prime buildings, or around two 80 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: nine hundred buildings from the system. A feather one thousand, 81 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 4: four hundred and forty buildings will face more cost effective 82 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 4: remediation requirements and eight hundred and forty will require no 83 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 4: remedial work at all. 84 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is an example, Heather, isn't it 85 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: really when you saw the damage that occurred in christ 86 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: Church and nobody ever really felt that christ Church was 87 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 2: at risk of the major earthquake, the one that we saw, 88 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: and it was as a result of that we tightened 89 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: up the rules of unlike It's a bit not unlike 90 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: Cave Creek, for example, we had health and safety regulations 91 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: coming after that, and they are now patently absurd as 92 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: well for other areas in the country. So we tend 93 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: to overreact when we see issues later, right, dare I 94 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: say the guns being taken off legitimate hunters after the 95 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: dreadful Mosk attacks, We react rather than thinking about what 96 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: exactly will it mean these terrible events that we do 97 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: encounter from time to time. 98 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: Verry, thanks very much, appreciate it. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent. 99 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to 100 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: news Talks. 101 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 4: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 102 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 4: on iHeartRadio.