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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The White Tungy Tribunal is holding an urgent inquiry today

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Speaker 2: on David Seymour's Regulatory Standards Bill. More than eighteen thousand

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Speaker 2: people have signed onto a claim against the bill, saying

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Speaker 2: that if it has passed, it will sideline the Treaty

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Speaker 2: of White Tongy. Now, Helmut Modlick is NATI tour chief

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Speaker 2: executive and he's with us right now, hey, Helmut, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: very good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Henna, you submitted as well. A what was your submission?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, basically we expressed the same sentiment that's coming from

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Speaker 1: everybody else that this is a constitution, a change to

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Speaker 1: our constitution, arrangements by stealth that will have impact on

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Speaker 1: our treaty settlement. And yeah, we would have appreciated being

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Speaker 1: asked about that before it was put into the process

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Speaker 1: for moving it into law.

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Speaker 2: Tell me if I've got this right. Predominantly, the problem

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Speaker 2: with this is that the Regulatory Standards Bill does not

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Speaker 2: mention the Treaty of White Tongey, but every piece of

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Speaker 2: legislation that has written after it has passed would have

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Speaker 2: to be assessed against it like we do with the

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Speaker 2: Bill of Rights, and to see whether it complies with

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Speaker 2: the regulatory Standards Act as it would then be. And

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Speaker 2: your guys problem with it, people who don't like it,

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Speaker 2: is because it doesn't mention the treaty. Therefore the treaty

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Speaker 2: becomes less important, is that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to the heart of it. And I

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Speaker 1: just elaborate a little bit. So currently there are forty

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Speaker 1: acts that contain references to the principles of the treaty

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Speaker 1: and one hundred and ninety two acts or pieces of

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Speaker 1: legislation that also explicitly reference the Treaty of WAITETANGI. Now

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Speaker 1: those laws are the main mechanisms by which and I'll

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Speaker 1: speak specifically about an anti tour and the main mechanisms

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Speaker 1: by which we ensure that a range of rights that

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Speaker 1: were actually specified in our Treaty settlement are actually able

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Speaker 1: to be given effect through those legislations. So those if

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Speaker 1: the Regulatory Standards Board which will be established under this

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Speaker 1: bill is set up, it will have the power to

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Speaker 1: actually remove as many, some or all of those references

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Speaker 1: to titidity in those various acts, and so we will

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Speaker 1: actually have a significantly diminished capacity to ensure the meeting

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Speaker 1: of our treaty settlement on the first place, and the

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Speaker 1: second place, going forward, is what you said. So that

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Speaker 1: pretty much captures the range of concerns.

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Speaker 2: Isn't this though, the kind of urgent hearing that is

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Speaker 2: causing people to get frustrated with the Waipangi Tribunal and

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Speaker 2: want to review into it because it's set up to

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Speaker 2: investigate breaches of the treaty. But there is no breach

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Speaker 2: of the treaty because the bill hasn't been passed.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so that's a bit of a circular argument there.

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Speaker 1: So the tribunal is unable to it's not its no

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction over any law once the government has actually passed it. So,

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Speaker 1: but what's happened here because the government hasn't actually followed

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Speaker 1: a process where the treaty partner hasn't been engaged, where

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Speaker 1: there's been no community information sharing, that there actually is

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Speaker 1: no reasonable process for the Tribunal or Ewie first to

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Speaker 1: actually get site on what's proposed and the in form

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Speaker 1: a view. Instead, what the Crown is doing here is

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Speaker 1: rushing it through and in fact, and they've been a

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Speaker 1: bit naughty beggars where they've actually truncated the time frame,

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Speaker 1: rushing it through so that it can quickly get to

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Speaker 1: the phase whether the tribunal has no jurisdiction. It's exactly

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Speaker 1: what they did around Jack a Fay order and it's removal.

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Speaker 1: They change the time frame so that the Tribunal was

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Speaker 1: actually unable to make a finding. And so that's really why,

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Speaker 1: that's really what's going on. It's not a fault of

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Speaker 1: the tribunal, it's the government. All right.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen to Helmet as always, Thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for your time. Helmet Modlock, chief executive at Nati toy Ewe.

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