1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: It's a new tactic from the government to try and 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: sort the primary teacher's pay scrap out. There are ten 3 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: thousand non union teachers, so they're going to be offered 4 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: pay rises directly. That of course has got the union apoplectic. 5 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: Erica Stafford's the Education ministry. So when we had Bryan 6 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: Rochan on the program last week, he said something was coming. 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Is this it? 8 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: I think he was starting to indicate that there are 9 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: a third of the workforce who are not part of 10 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: a union who are being held up and deserved to 11 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: be on a contract. They deserve to receive pay rises 12 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: that have been offered now for many months, but they 13 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: haven't been able to get because of the fact that 14 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 2: the union are holding things up. And it's just it's 15 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: fair and reasonable to expect that these people, these the 16 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: third of the workforce, should be on a contract. 17 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: That's what they deserve. How provocative is this? Oh? 18 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: Look, I know that the unions, of course they're not 19 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 2: happy with it, and they're trying to say, look, it's 20 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: causing division, But I would say there's already division. A 21 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: third of their workforce are not in a union, you know, 22 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: And if they seriously think it's about division. They should 23 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: ask themselves why a third of the workforce don't want 24 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: anything to do with them. 25 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: Have they seen the offer yet? Do you know, have 26 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: the union shown them the offer? This is not the 27 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: non union the union. Have the union shown them the 28 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: offer or not? 29 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: Not the latest one. I don't believe that was taken 30 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: to members to ratify. 31 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: I know, so is it still bogged down over the treaty? 32 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: Look, the treaty was one thing. I think that Sir 33 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: Brian has recently been able to sideline that and say, well, look, 34 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: we are negotiating with you over pay and conditions and 35 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 2: that is not one of the things that we're going 36 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: to negotiate with you on. So I the last time 37 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 2: I hurt him, I think he said he'd managed to 38 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: push that to one side. It was in their latest 39 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: advertising campaign. But they're raising a lot of things. But 40 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: we are of course going to continue to work with 41 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: them in good faith while we're being fair and reasonable 42 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: on the other side and saying to teachers, why not 43 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: in the union, here is the offer so you can 44 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: get on with your life and get that pay rise. 45 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: It does it cause a song in the lunch room? 46 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: You know, the non union teacher going, well, I got 47 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: my two and a half percent, you didn't n and ah. 48 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: I would expect better behavior from teachers quite frankly. 49 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: Okay, but have you been in a lunch room. I 50 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: mean it gets a bit that way. I mean, you 51 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: know what it's like in the workforce. People go, well, 52 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: you're a nark and you're not a union member and 53 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. There's a tension about it. 54 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that it may be. There is, but 55 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: I do hope that they don't act like that. I mean, 56 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: our teachers are a friend of our kids, and we 57 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: expect good behavior from them. This is a personal decision 58 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: for teachers to make on their own, and I hope 59 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: that that sort of behavior wouldn't happen. I would expect 60 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: from our teachers better than that. 61 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: I'm sick of this. Are you sick of this? I mean, 62 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: it's what's so special about the bloody primary teachers. Everyone 63 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: else is signed on and we're getting on with life. 64 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: What is their problem? 65 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: Well you'll have to ask them that, but you can 66 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: imagine from a highly politicized union striking in an election year, 67 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 2: as you know, something they're probably looking for, I imagine, but 68 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: end the unions do a great job for their members. 69 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: It's just a shame that children aren't their members. 70 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: All right, nice to talk to you appreciate it very much. 71 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: Eric and Stanford, who is the Education Minister. 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