1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: So ware is yesterday's big White House production actually land 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: twenty point piece plan. Of course, immediate ce'es far followed 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: by the disarmament of her mouse and is ready withdrawing 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: gazas run by Tony Blair and Donald Trump. Greg Carlstrom 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: is the Middle East correspondent for The Economist, is with us. Greg, Morning, 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: morning to you. How did it land in your part 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: of the world. 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: Well, there is I would say a mix of hope 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: and optimism about it. The hope because this is the 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: closest we've been to a deal since Donald Trump took office, 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: and it's actually a serious proposal. Unlike back in February 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: when Trump came out with this wild plan to depopulate 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: Gaza and turn it into a beach resort. This is 14 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: actually a plan to end the war, to stabilize and 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: rebuild Gaza. So he gets some credit for that in 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: the region. But the question now is, you know, you 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: have to flesh out the details of this, and it's 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: a very bare bones proposal. It's basically twenty bullet points, 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: so there will need to be I think weeks of 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: negotiations between in Israel and mass about the specifics of 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: you know, when will Israel withdraw from various parts of Gaza, 22 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: who is going to comprise this international peacekeeping force that 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: is meant to come in, And at any point in 24 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: that process, it's possible that all of this falls apart. 25 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: Exactly. We need him As to say initially yes, and 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,279 Speaker 1: then we get into the weeds. Has anything materially changed 27 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: even if they do say yes, because it's not like 28 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: we haven't had some peace talk so far, and mini 29 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: of them no. 30 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: I think a yes from Hamas and a yes from 31 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: Nataiel yesterday that is the beginning of what will be 32 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: a long process. I think in the next couple of days, 33 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 2: Hamas will give a response, and I think they understand 34 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: that they can't say no to this, given Trump's support 35 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: for it, given that the alternative is an expansion of 36 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: the Israeli war in Gaza. They're going to say yes. 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: But they're going to say yes, but and they're going 38 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: to have changes they want to make to the deal, 39 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: clarifications they're going to quest and that is what's going 40 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: to start this long back and forth negotiation. 41 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: My big concern is it looks a lot like Putin 42 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: arriving in Alaska. So we're full of hope he's turned up, 43 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: he's jumped on the plane, and then was still several 44 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: months down the track and nothing's happened. 45 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: And I think that's a real concern. I mean, I'll 46 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: give you one example of that. There is meant to 47 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: be an international peacekeeping force comprised mostly of soldiers from 48 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: either Arab or Muslim countries that will go into Gaza 49 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 2: once the war ends, that will disarm Hamas and provide 50 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: security in Gaza. I was talking yesterday with someone involved 51 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 2: in the negotiations who said, listen, no country has yet 52 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: volunteered to send troops to be part of this peace 53 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: giving force, So you have to line up donor countries 54 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: first of all. Then you have to work out what 55 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: is the mandate going to be if Arab states send 56 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: their troops to be part of this body in Gaza. 57 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 2: Are they actually going to get into a shooting war 58 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: with Hamas if need be? How are they going to 59 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 2: work with the Israeli army, which will still be deployed 60 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: in Gaza for the foreseeable future. Those kinds of questions 61 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: have eluded negotiators for the better part of two years now, 62 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: and I don't think they're going to be easy to 63 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: work out in the weeks ahead. 64 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: All Right, Greg got good and so I appreciate it 65 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: very much. Greg Celstrom, who is with the Economists Middle 66 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: East correspondent, they're part of the world. For more from 67 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. It'd 68 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.