1 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Gilda. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. It's the 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: one story that's been impossible to escape this year, the 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: US presidential election. Months of debates, rallies and shocking developments 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: have all led to today, where Americans are heading to the 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: polls to decide the leader of their nation for the 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: next four years. Vice President Kamala Harris is the Democratic nominee, 9 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: taking over from incumbent Joe Biden. She's up against former 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: President Donald Trump in what many are calling one of 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: the most important elections of our lifetime. Today on the 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: Front Page, we're joined by Deputy Political Editor Thomas Coglin, 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: who's been on the ground talking to voters. But first, 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: a quick recap of the eventful sixth nex months leading 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: up to voting day. Back in May, Donald Trump became 16 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: the first president to be convicted of felony crimes after 17 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: a New York jury found him guilty on all thirty 18 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 2: four counts of falsifying business records. 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 3: Guilty on all counts, Donald J. Trump, the forty fifth 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: president of the United States, was found guilty late today. 21 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: The stunning verdict was delivered by a Manhattan jury of 22 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: seven men and five women who deliberated for two days, 23 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 3: making mister Trump the first former American president to be convicted. 24 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: Of a crime. 25 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: The first debate took place in June, with Joe Biden's 26 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: performance leading some to question if the eighty one year 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: old was fit to run. 28 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 5: Well, can'd be happy to have a driving contest with him? 29 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 5: He ream, I got my handicapped, which when I was 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 5: Vice president, down to six. And by by the way, 31 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 5: I told you before, I'm happy to play golf. If 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 5: you carry on bag, I think you can do it. 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 6: That's the biggest lad When he's a six handicap of all. 34 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 5: I was an eight handicap. Yeah, eight, I've. 35 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 6: Seen your swing. 36 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 7: I know you swing. 37 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 6: Asides, let's not act like children. 38 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: On July thirteenth, that a Trump rally in Pennsylvania, a 39 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: gunman fired multiple shots at the former president, wounding him 40 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 2: in his right ear and killing one audience member. 41 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 7: At six o two pm, former President Trump walked on 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 7: the stage. Thousands were there to see him speak. They 43 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 7: would witness the first assassination attempt of a president in 44 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 7: more than forty years. He was immediately surrounded by secret 45 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 7: Service his ear blood. By six thirteen PM, he was 46 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 7: rushed off the stage. 47 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 2: Only two days later, Trump took to his Truth social 48 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: media account to announce Senator J. D. Varannce of Ohio 49 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: as his pick for vice president. 50 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 7: And so night, mister Chairman, I stand here, humble, and 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 7: I'm overwhelmed with gratitude to say I officially accept your nomination. 52 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: To be Vice President of the United States of America. 53 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: With pressure mounting on the Democratic side, Joe Biden announced 54 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: his withdrawal from the race only eight days after the 55 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: attempt on his opponent's life. 56 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 5: I reviewed this office. I love my country more. Nothing 57 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 5: can come in the way of saving our democracy that 58 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 5: includes personal ambition. So I've decided the best way forward 59 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 5: is the past, the torch for a new generation. 60 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: He gave his endorsement to Vice President Kamala Harris to 61 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: take over his spot on the ticket before she was 62 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: officially nominated in August. 63 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: On behalf of everyone whose story could only be written. 64 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 8: In the greatest nation on Earth, I accept your nomination 65 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,559 Speaker 8: the presidents in the United States of America. 66 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: For her running mate, she opted for Minnesota Governor Tim Woltz. 67 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 9: I couldn't be prouder to be on this ticket and 68 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 9: to help Vice President Harris become what we all know 69 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 9: is very very good for us to think about next 70 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 9: president of the United States of America. 71 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: Trump and Harris wouldn't meet face to face until their 72 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: debate in September, remembered for producing many viral moments. 73 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 6: In Springfield, They're eating the dogs, the people that came in. 74 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 6: They're eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets 75 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 6: of the people that live there. And this is what's 76 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 6: happening in our country. And it's a shame as far 77 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 6: as the rallies are concerned, as far as the reason 78 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 6: they go is they like what I say. They want 79 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 6: to bring our country back. 80 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: As the race entered the final weeks, a number of 81 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: public figures made their endorsements. Paris supporters included President Barack Obama, 82 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen, Taylor Swift, and Beyonce. 83 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,119 Speaker 10: Our moment right now, it's time for America to sing 84 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 10: a new song. Our voice is sing a chorus of unity. 85 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 10: They sing a song of dignity and opportunity. Are you 86 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 10: all ready to add your voice to the new American song? 87 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: Because I am so. 88 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 10: Let's do this, ladies and gentlemen, please give a big 89 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 10: loud Texas welcome to the next President of the United States. 90 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: Wife President Tamara Harris. 91 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: Trump boasts support from Elon Musk, Zachary Levi, Buzz Aldrin, 92 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: and Hulk Hogan trumple Maniacs. 93 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 4: The energy in here is something like I've never felt. 94 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 4: The energy of all these Trumplemaniacs is the most powerful 95 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 4: course in the universe. And today this is Donald Trump's 96 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 4: house brother. 97 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: With Poles predicting one of the tightest races in recent history. 98 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: It's still anyone's game in the race to the White House. 99 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: The Herald's deputy political editor, Thomas Coglan, has been in 100 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: the US speaking with voters on the ground. We spoke 101 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: to him while he was at Kamena Harris's final rally 102 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. Thomas, you've been speaking to Americans on the ground. 103 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: Where have you been and what's the vibe there? 104 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 8: So I've been in two states mainly, I've been in 105 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 8: Pennsylvania and North Carolina, say, two of the seven swing states, 106 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 8: and Philadelphia is obviously the big swing state. Everyone wants 107 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 8: to win nineteen electoral College votes. Obviously, you know talking 108 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 8: to people that their views changed depending on who their 109 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 8: leaning towards. It does seem like a lot of Americans 110 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 8: have made up their minds already. There are two pretty 111 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 8: distinct camps. The Democrats are worried about the threat to democracy, 112 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 8: of course, and the sort of fascistic tendencies of Donald 113 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 8: Trump as former chief of staff obviously recently label and 114 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 8: the fascist last month. The other big concern for them 115 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 8: is abortion access and women's rights were generally Donald Trump 116 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 8: was responsible for appointing the Supreme Court justices that were 117 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 8: crucial to overturning ROVERSUS Wade, which allowed many states to 118 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 8: implement full or partial abortion vans. Kamala Harris's ads are 119 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 8: saying that about one in three women in America live 120 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 8: under some form of abortion van thanks for that Supreme 121 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 8: Court decision, And the Democrats are saying that Donald Trump 122 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 8: would a lot to extend that nationwide, effectively banning abortion 123 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 8: in the entire country. Donald Trump is very keen to 124 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 8: say that this is not happening, but of course some 125 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 8: of the surrogates would quite like it, or allies would 126 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 8: like it to happen. So that is a massive thing 127 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 8: that the Democrats talking about, and it is something that 128 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 8: the Republicans and the Trump campaign is very very worried 129 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 8: about because overall in the country, more people support abortion 130 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 8: than don'tor support it, and many people believe that that 131 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 8: this is what Trump's intention is and it is likely 132 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 8: to swing or to help drive voters towards towards Paris. 133 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 8: Of course, with Donald Trump, it's it's often pretty difficult 134 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 8: to know what his intentions are. On the Trump side 135 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 8: of things, they are very angry about migration. In fact 136 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 8: that you know, the Democrats thought of the NBA, and 137 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 8: I'm happy with the migration situation. There were I think 138 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 8: about eleven million what you call i legal crossings of 139 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 8: into America under the Biden administration competed just over two 140 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 8: million from the Trump era. So so migration, particularly legal migration, 141 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 8: legal migration as a massive issue at the moment. Both 142 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 8: can't took something to clam down in it. But Donald 143 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 8: Trump is promising a pretty serious style expulsion of mini 144 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 8: migrants and really tightening up the security situation and the border. 145 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 8: On the Trump side of things as well, that there 146 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 8: is a lot of talk about inflation under the five 147 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 8: years and the use of tariffs ironically, which will be inflationary, 148 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 8: the use of terrorists to protect manufacturing jobs. 149 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: It's quite interesting watching from the other side of the world, hey, 150 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: because here when our elections roll around, we do tend 151 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: to know a lot about the actual policies the plans 152 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 2: that Labor, Greens, National and the like have for the 153 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: country if they were elected. But from this side of 154 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: the world, I don't know about you, but I haven't 155 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: seen many actual policies or plans. 156 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: Is that a different side of the story When you're. 157 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: Over there, Are you hearing a lot more about what 158 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: they actually plan to do when they get on an office. 159 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 8: No, not much more than you'd hear in New Zealand. 160 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 8: Are even more it's a very I think there are 161 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 8: a couple of things for why this is the case, 162 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 8: a couple of reasons, and you're right, it is a 163 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 8: much more policy like style of campaigning. It is very vibes. 164 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 8: The part of that, I think is a fact as 165 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 8: a function of the fact that you have a quite 166 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 8: an unusual election this year, where you've got someone like 167 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 8: Donald Trump, who is a very unusual cancidor whose personality 168 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 8: and tendencies are a key part of why people love 169 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 8: him or hate him, and so a large part of 170 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 8: the election you know, Donald Trump's policy is that he 171 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 8: is Donald Trump, and part of a large part of 172 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 8: this election is convincing people that is a good or 173 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 8: a bad thing. So I think part of that is 174 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 8: unique to elections in which Donald Trump is running, of 175 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 8: which we've now had three. The other part of it 176 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 8: is the American system is very different to ours. We've 177 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 8: obviously got a parliamentary system, and obviously in New Zealand, 178 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 8: you know, you can have minor parties creating well, when 179 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 8: they create a coalition government, they can sort of trade 180 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 8: off their policies, so you don't always get exactly what 181 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 8: those parties promise, but you do get quite a lot 182 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 8: of what the promise because once they actually form the government, 183 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 8: they've got the numbers in parliament to do whatever they want. 184 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 8: In the United States, you obviously you elect the president. 185 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 8: It's the president is the head of a federal government. 186 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 8: So you you know, you've got the issue of the 187 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 8: states not necessarily going along with what you want. You've 188 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 8: also got a divided Congress of the Senate and the 189 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 8: House of the Presentatives, which at the moment are held 190 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 8: by two different parties. You know, that means it's actually 191 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 8: very difficult when you are the president to completely get 192 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 8: your policy platform across over the line. So at the 193 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 8: moment you've got a Democrat president, Democrat Senate, but Republican 194 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 8: outs of representatives. It's also quite that the chambers are 195 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 8: quite tight at the moment. So it means that you know, 196 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 8: if you have a few people in the Congress who 197 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 8: don't like what the bill on the table is, that 198 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 8: they might vote with the other side. All of that 199 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 8: means that, you know, the president can't just march down 200 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 8: to Congress and say vote for this. You know, it's 201 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 8: my policy, I have a mandate for the electro on it. 202 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 8: That's just not how it works. And so I think 203 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 8: because of that, Yes, the presidential candidates, they do have policies. 204 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 8: No taxes on tips, no taxes on overtime, no taxes 205 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 8: on Social Security for Trump, tariffs for Trump, and then 206 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 8: Kamla Harris of these handouts for un for first time 207 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 8: buyer the twenty five thousand dollars grant towards your first home. 208 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 8: Then some tax write offs for new businesses, and also 209 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 8: no taxes on tips, the sort of main ones. But 210 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 8: unless you're you can implement these policies via an executive 211 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 8: order it's actually quite difficult to get them over the line. 212 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 8: So you know, they promise them, but a lot of 213 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 8: the electorate, frankly, is quite rightfully skeptical that they'll ever 214 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 8: actually see these policies, you know, occur. Some of them 215 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 8: obviously do occur, like you know that they do do 216 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 8: you know, they are able to deliver on some things, 217 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 8: but many of them, many of them don't. 218 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: What are some of the things that people have said 219 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: to you that have stuck out. 220 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 8: I think one of the main things is just how 221 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 8: widespread the view that Joe Biden didn't win the last election. 222 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 8: You know, anyone who's voice matters in this, I suppose 223 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 8: the people who count the votes and the individual counties 224 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 8: in America and the certifications all the way the Electoral 225 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 8: Commission and the certification all the way right up to Congress, 226 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 8: you know that he won. That That's that's really not 227 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 8: a doubt. People on the Donald Trump side of things 228 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 8: really do genuinely believe or that he didn't or they 229 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 8: have significant doubts. 230 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 4: That he won. 231 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: I believe one hundred percent the election was stolen. Trump won. 232 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, And so does that does that make you alarmed 233 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 8: at all about what might happen this election. 234 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: Are you concerned about Yes, absolutely, but early voting. 235 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: If we get out early, we're gonna make it. 236 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 3: Too big to rig. 237 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 8: So there's a whole spectrum of people who think he 238 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 8: definitely couldn't send the others who are, you know, skepticle, Yes, 239 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 8: you'd say, and and and just sort of seeing how 240 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 8: widespread their view is has been really really interesting, I suppose. 241 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 8: On the on the Democrat side, it's interesting to see 242 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 8: the party really really is consensus around around the failure 243 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 8: to do on top of illegal immigration to the country. 244 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 8: Karmla Harrison has what was in charge of the border, 245 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 8: so it was a massive a massive issue for her 246 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 8: and a massive liability to her. But she is now 247 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 8: promising to get tougher on it. But it's interesting just 248 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 8: the reason for that, which is that basically everyone thinks 249 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 8: that the border has been a massive mess under the 250 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 8: pardon of the administration. I suppose. The other surprising thing 251 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 8: is just how widespread this view and actually the fear 252 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 8: that the election will not the result of the election 253 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 8: will not be clear on election night. 254 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 4: You know. 255 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 8: Part of that is just because the swing states that 256 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 8: are in contention the time around Pennsylvania where I am 257 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 8: at the moment. There's a lot of mail in voting, 258 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 8: and in Pennsylvania, the law is that the mail in 259 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 8: vote ballots don't get counted and advanced. They get counted 260 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 8: on election day, and so that flows up the count. 261 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 8: So that means that this massive state, which several million 262 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 8: votes are cars for six seven million, they to double 263 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 8: stat but so roughly that the amount. It means that 264 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 8: they be counting them for a very long time, and 265 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 8: that could mean that we really won't have an outcome 266 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 8: on an election and night. That's very clear, and many 267 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 8: Americans know this and they're aware of it. But there's 268 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 8: also quite widespread this year that the result of the 269 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 8: election will come down to down to I guess litigation 270 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 8: contesting the result, who can play the best kind of 271 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 8: brigsman ship game bottomly be inaugurated. And it's surprising, it's 272 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 8: quite surprising. I actually think it's quite sad just how 273 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 8: many Americans are concerned that they won't actually know who 274 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 8: the next president will be by the end of election 275 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 8: night or even perhaps this week. 276 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: Well, in twenty twenty, it was a few days after 277 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: the election day before Biden was officially announced as president. 278 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: Elacked due to the high number of, like you said, 279 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 2: mail in ballots, slowing the process. 280 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: I guess it's looking quite likely we could see those delays. 281 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 8: Agag very much, Yeah, very much. And then it's so 282 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 8: twenty twenty had even more mail in ballots. Obviously the 283 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 8: pandemic had it's had something to do with that, and 284 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 8: twenty twenty had a similar rescue to now where Pennsylvania 285 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 8: was again at crucial state, and just the way that 286 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 8: the votes are come in Pennsylvania, that just means that 287 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 8: it takes a bit longer than usuals. So don't hold 288 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 8: your bruce, i'd say. 289 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: And it's interesting, Hey, there is that debate amongst Trump 290 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: supporters whether or not he lost the election in twenty twenty. 291 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: Like you mentioned, Trump himself still claims the election was 292 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: stolen or crooked. How likely are we to see this 293 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: rhetoric repeated this year in the event of a Harris 294 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: wen do you reckon? 295 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 8: I would say it's very likely. I was at a 296 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 8: Trump rally a couple of days ago, and he spent 297 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 8: a large amount of time talking about how the election 298 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 8: was stolen from him, and then also raising concerns about 299 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 8: the way that the election had been conducted this election, 300 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 8: the one that we're currently and had been conducted so far, 301 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 8: because of course there is already early voting. People are 302 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 8: voting at the moment, and the Trump campaign and Trump 303 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 8: himself have raised concerns with the way that the process 304 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 8: has been unfolding in some of the states. Now, some 305 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 8: Democrats and some sort of political compenators are raising the 306 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 8: concerns that Trump is sort of sowing the seeds amongst 307 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 8: the supporters to give him ground for contesting the results 308 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 8: should it go ill for him. It should be said 309 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 8: that some of their concerns raised would were legitimate ones. 310 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 8: Where I was earlier this week in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, 311 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 8: they the county commissioners, they are the electoral commissioners in 312 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 8: the county were taken to court over basically not being 313 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 8: prepared enough to give people mail and ballots by a headline, 314 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 8: and people who wanted these mail and ballots were were 315 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 8: not able to get them and they should have been. 316 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 8: And the court actually sided with the Trump Trump campaign 317 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 8: and allowed force the county to offer those mail in 318 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 8: ballots for longer. So some of the some of the 319 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 8: concerns that are being raised by the Trump team legitimate 320 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 8: and have the merit and the courts have sided with them. Others, 321 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 8: you know, there have been some fake videos that have 322 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 8: been shared, There have been fake concerns that have been raised. 323 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 8: Others seem to have fewer or no grounds. And I 324 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 8: think the concern from a lot of people is that 325 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 8: those in particular laying the groundwork for for him to 326 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 8: be able to make a strong case with supporters after 327 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 8: the election that it was stolen. And you remember last 328 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 8: time round on election nights, you know, even though the 329 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 8: vote was close, Donald Trump was digging in. There was 330 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 8: no concession, although as you say, it was pretty unclear 331 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 8: at that stage. 332 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: And you mentioned you're at a Harris rally at the moment. 333 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: How does it differ do you reckon to a Trump 334 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: rally that you were out a few days ago? 335 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 8: I mean, this is a different style of raally. This 336 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 8: is the very last rally of the whole race. We're 337 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 8: outside the Philadelphia Museum of Modern Art of Art. Sorry, 338 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 8: if you've ever seen the movie Rocky, he runs up 339 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 8: the steps and blits of system of the very famous moment. 340 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 8: That's where she's going to be on those steps or 341 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 8: in front of those steps. The vibe is pretty good here. 342 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 8: People are pretty excited. Sidney seem a bit nervous because 343 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 8: the race is close, or it doesn't need to be close. 344 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 8: The race is the race type and people here, people 345 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 8: here feel it. At the same time, they seem pretty 346 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 8: excited to see their candidate. Oprah Winfrey is here. People 347 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 8: love her, glad to see her, and so are Ricky 348 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 8: Martin and Lady Gaga. So that's the sort of there 349 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 8: opting for a kind of joyous, sort of fun kind 350 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 8: of way doing the election campaign. That contrast with I 351 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 8: think it's Donald Trump rally, where you know, it's a 352 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 8: sort of Donald Trump is suddenly running on that kind 353 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 8: of negative fear platform, which you know, I mean, that's 354 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 8: that's I mean, he should he shouldinly goes quite negative. 355 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 8: But but but you know, that's a fairly normal style 356 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 8: of campaign if you're campaigning from you know what what 357 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 8: a musical we call opposition. He is certainly trying to 358 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 8: stir up angst about the state of the world and 359 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 8: the country. So he sort of, yeah, the viber his 360 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 8: campaigns as stain be a bit more a bit more negative, 361 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 8: whereas I suppose to Tambla. Harris being effectively an encumbent 362 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 8: and trying to sort of make this contrast between the 363 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 8: fire and brimstone, so the attitude of gold Trump and 364 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 8: herself she sort of opting for a bit more of 365 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 8: a joyous, fun kind of vibe. And then you know, 366 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 8: if be here, it sort of seems that way. I'm 367 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 8: not sure if you can hear it over the over 368 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 8: the or if you can hear it for the phone, 369 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 8: but you can hear these these drums in the park 370 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 8: which are quite a bunch. So yeah, quite a contrast. 371 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Thomas, No worries. 372 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 8: Have a great day. 373 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: That's said for this episode of the Front Page. 374 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: You can read more about today's stories and extensive news 375 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: coverage at ensidherld dot co dot nz. The Front Page 376 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 2: is produced by Ethan Seals. Richard Martin and Dan Goodwin 377 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 2: are the sound engineers. 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