1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Hilda. 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and This is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. Donald Trump 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: is set to be inaugurated as the forty seventh president 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: of the United States after four years out of office. 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: After losing in twenty twenty, Trump is set to return 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: to the White House with a vengeance, with his make 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: America Great Again agenda front and center. His administration has 9 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: already raised eyebrows for some. 10 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,319 Speaker 3: Of his unusual cabinet appointments, and Trump's usual bluster has 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 3: seen him make bold promises about what he'll get done 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: on day one, including being. 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: A dictator just for the day. So what are Trump's 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: plans for his second term in office and why are 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: so many tech giants falling to his side this time round? 16 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: Today on the Front Page, Washington based New York Times 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: reporter Kenneth Vogel is with us to discuss what to 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: expect from the next four years of Trump. Kenneth, how 19 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: much anticipation is there in the US for Trump's inauguration? 20 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot, I mean there's a lot. 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 5: Obviously, the culturally, This is the selection was seen as 22 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 5: something of a tipping point but also among the business 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 5: community and the folks who are among the major donors 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 5: to his inauguration, there's a real sense that some key businesses, 25 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 5: including tech and cryptocurrency, could be unshackled, that there could 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 5: be a lot less regulation than what we saw under 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 5: the Biden administration that could be good for business. So 28 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 5: that explains why the inauguration has raised so much money 29 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 5: from people who want to tap into and take advantage 30 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 5: of that more favorable regulatory environment. 31 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: And the actual event, what will it look like and 32 00:01:59,320 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: who's going to. 33 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 5: Be the So there's actually a whole suite of events 34 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 5: over several days. In fact, by this point they've already 35 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 5: been going for several days. We're talking about parties. Both 36 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 5: parties that are part of the official inauguration package. These 37 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 5: are candlelight dinner and a reception with Trump and Vice 38 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 5: President of like vance, but then also unofficial parties on 39 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 5: the sidelines, including many that are sponsored by big money organizations. 40 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 5: These are political nonprofit groups or political action committees, but 41 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 5: also lobbying firms that all have a stake in matters 42 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 5: that are going to be considered before the Trump administration, 43 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 5: and so if they can attract clients and donors along 44 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 5: with Trump incoming Trump administration officials. You can see why 45 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 5: that would be a recipe for folks to want to 46 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 5: give a lot of money to get into those parties. 47 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that in a moment. But on 48 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: day one, what's first on Trump's agenda. 49 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 5: Well, he's talking about tariffs, you know, against China and 50 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 5: other trading partners that he feels and has felt for 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 5: many years. One of the few issues that he's sort 52 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 5: of been consistent on for decades that these trading partners 53 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 5: are taking advantage of lacks US. 54 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 4: Trade policies to eat our lunch. 55 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 5: And that's been his thinking. That's one of the major 56 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 5: messaging points of his campaign both in twenty sixteen and 57 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 5: his reelection campaign in twenty twenty and then his re 58 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 5: reelection campaign in twenty twenty four. So that's a major 59 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 5: thing that he's going to dive into. He's also talked 60 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 5: about pardons, pardons for people who were convicted of offenses 61 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 5: related to the January sixth riots at the Capitol. He 62 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 5: and his supporters believe that those folks have been unfairly 63 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 5: and and sort of disproportionately prosecuted, and so he's talked 64 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 5: about partning them. Those are just a few of the 65 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 5: things that we expect him to dive into immediately, and 66 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 5: these are things that he has unilateral executive authority to do. 67 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 5: These aren't things that require a congressional bill that has 68 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 5: to work its way through chambers of Congress where he 69 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 5: is narrow majorities in the Republican Party. These are things 70 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 5: that he can literally do with the stroke of a pen. 71 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 6: Let me ask you about another group of people, the 72 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 6: estimated four million families in America who have mixed immigration status. 73 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 7: So I'm talking about parents who might. 74 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: Be here illegally, but the kids are here legally. 75 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 8: Your borders are you're talking about separation. 76 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 4: I mean, there are two aspects to this. 77 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: Your border Zara tom Holman said, they can be deported together. 78 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: Is that the plan? 79 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 8: That way you keep the well, I don't want to 80 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 8: be breaking up families. So the only way you don't 81 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 8: break up the family is you keep them together, and 82 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 8: you have to send them all. 83 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: Back, even kids who are here legally, well. 84 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 8: Well, what you going to do if they want to 85 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 8: stay with the father? We have to have rules and regulations. 86 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: He's also spoken about closing the border with Mexico and 87 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: deporting millions of undocumented migrants as well. What do Americans 88 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: make of that? 89 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 5: Well, you know, immigration was a major issue during the campaign. 90 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 5: It was one where he you know, though his rhetoric 91 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 5: and his policy position seemed extreme to a lot of folks, 92 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 5: they were closer to I think, you know, polls show 93 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 5: closer to the positions of a majority of folks than 94 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 5: those of Kamalahiris, at least initially. Now Kamala Haris did attack. 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 5: I guess maybe it's sort of wrong to look at 96 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 5: this as a traditional left right partisan issue, but she 97 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 5: became sort of more of a hardliner as the campaign 98 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 5: went on, and I think that was a testament to 99 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 5: the fact that these public opinion polls show that people 100 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 5: did want to see a crackdown on immigration. 101 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 4: And so Trump is going to try to do that. 102 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 5: I mean, he tried to do that to some extent 103 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 5: during his first term. And that's one that does have 104 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 5: a little more or a lot more in some cases, 105 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 5: bureaucratic processes around it, and so it's less easy to 106 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 5: do something like that, even if you do enact some 107 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 5: executive order on day one. He certainly says he's going 108 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 5: to take action. We'll see if he's able to deliver 109 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 5: in a way that is commensurate with his campaign rhetoric. 110 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: And one of Trump's boldest promises was that he could 111 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: end the war in Ukraine within twenty four hours of 112 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: taking office. Is there any indication there will be anything 113 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: like this? 114 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 5: I know, that's another one that's a lot easier said that. 115 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of promises on the campaign 116 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 5: trail that sound good and that are much harder to 117 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 5: actually implement, and certainly ending the war in Ukraine seems 118 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 5: to be in that category. 119 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: Trump's cabinet picks have received a lot of attention worldwide 120 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: as well. You've got the vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy 121 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: Junior as Health Secretary. 122 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 4: What I'm going to do is make sure that Americans 123 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: have good information with the beast, call centered science, out 124 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 4: their flood and medicines, and then leave the choice to them. 125 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: Fox News host Pete Hegseth as Defense Secretary. 126 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 6: Department of Defense under Donald Trump will achieve peace through strength. 127 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: And anti China. Foreman Senator Marco Rubio as Secretary of State. 128 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: How can America promote the cause of peace on Earth 129 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: if it is not first safe at home? What good 130 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: is America to our allies if it is not strong? 131 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: To name a few, what can we raid from these? 132 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: Do you think? 133 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 4: Well? 134 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 5: I mean the ones that you just kicked off there 135 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 5: are pretty good representative sampling, and there's no consistent theme. 136 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 5: Some of these folks are functioning in a traditional sort 137 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 5: of Republican orthodoxy. I'm thinking of Rubio in particular there. 138 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 5: You know, he's a hawk, he wants to He's in 139 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 5: favor of robust American foreign policy that has a sort 140 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 5: of interventionist bent to it, and that's very different from 141 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 5: what Trump and a lot of his supporters in the 142 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 5: sort of Maga base want. They support a more non 143 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 5: interventionist foreign policy, including in Ukraine. So that right there 144 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 5: you could see some potential tension where you know, Trump 145 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 5: has said that he doesn't want more US military assistants 146 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 5: going to Ukraine and would prefer the US sort of 147 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 5: mind its business on that one, and that the US 148 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 5: doesn't really have business Ukraine. Whar's Marco Rubio has been 149 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 5: a real Russia hawk and wants to clamp down on Russia, 150 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 5: including by army Ukraine. So where will they find sort 151 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 5: of common ground? There and what will the policy be. 152 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 5: It seems most likely that the policy will be Trump's policy, 153 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 5: and Marco Rubio will be forced to bend his approach 154 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 5: to Trump's. You know, in other instances, RFK Junior, that 155 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 5: guy's a real heterodox character. He was a Democrat until 156 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 5: he ran in the Democratic primaries, or to the extent 157 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 5: that there was a Democratic primary. He sought to challenge 158 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 5: Joe Biden for the Democratic nomination in twenty twenty four. 159 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 4: And as a long. 160 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 5: History of you know, being aligned with democratic causes, a 161 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 5: support of abortion rights, and support for environmental policies that 162 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 5: are anathema to the Republican position. Then you mentioned the 163 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 5: vaccine skepticism. Well, that's a little more you know, anti establishment. 164 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 5: I don't even know if it is necessarily it fits 165 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 5: with Trump's policies or Trump's thoughts on this. He's been 166 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 5: asked a little bit about his stances on vaccines and 167 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 5: it seemed to take a more supportive approach than what 168 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 5: we've seen from RFK. 169 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 4: So it's a real eclectic hodgepodge. 170 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 5: And I think that to the extent that there is 171 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 5: a strong anti establishment sort of being that runs through 172 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 5: some of the nominees. It's certainly not universal, as is 173 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 5: shown by folks like Marco Rubio or at least Stefanaic, 174 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 5: who is the nominee to be or the presumptive nominee 175 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 5: to be the United Nations ambassador of the US Ambassador 176 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 5: to the United Nations is also sort of more of 177 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 5: a traditional hawk. So how does that fit with Trump's 178 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 5: foreign policy? 179 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 6: We'll just have to see. 180 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: You've written about the tech industry and how the elite 181 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: of Silicon Valley are celebrating Trump's return to power. Who 182 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: are some of his major backers and how have they 183 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: been commemorating ahead of the inauguration. 184 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 5: Well, by far his biggest and most influential backer, not 185 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 5: just in the tech industry but overall, On Musk, the 186 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 5: billionaire owner of Tesla, SpaceX X formerly Twitter. Arguable that 187 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 5: we've never seen a private individual with as much influence 188 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 5: as he has right now. It's not just the wealth, 189 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 5: it's that he's actually been appointed to a position to 190 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 5: oversee a slashing of government spending. And it's sort of 191 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 5: notable because some of his companies, including SpaceX, have huge 192 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 5: government contract You know, he is aligned with Trump, even 193 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 5: though there are again sort of points of divergence, including 194 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 5: Elon Musk being for years one of the sort of 195 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 5: leading private sector fighters of climate change and Trump not 196 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 5: necessarily having that as one of his core positions or 197 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 5: one of his core concerns. 198 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 4: So you know, Elon must will be influential. Then that 199 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: we have some. 200 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 5: Some even newer comers to if not the Trump supporter fold, 201 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 5: at least folks who had been seen as critical of 202 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 5: Trump bender now seemingly on board with or at least 203 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 5: not opposed him. I'm thinking of Jeff Bezos, the owner 204 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 5: of Amazon and the Washington Post. He has sort of 205 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 5: taken a more hands off approach or maybe even supportive 206 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 5: approach with Trump and is going to be at the 207 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 5: inauguration along with Mark Zuckerberg, who is the founder of Meta, 208 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 5: which owns Facebook, and he is going to be at 209 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 5: the inauguration as well, the CEO of TikTok, which is 210 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 5: poised to be banned in the United States if a 211 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 5: legislation goes into effect shortly as is called for and 212 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 5: if that is not stayed by the Supreme Court. Trump 213 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 5: is you know, at one point was supportive of that 214 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 5: ban on TikTok, and then he started using TikTok and 215 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 5: became a supporter of TikTok because he saw how it 216 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 5: could be used to reach vast audiences of Americans and 217 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 5: help his election campaigns. So you know a number of 218 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 5: sort of strange bedfellow tech entrepreneurs or moguls who are 219 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 5: now on board with Trump. That's to say nothing of 220 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 5: all the cryptocurrency executives who have found and Trump a 221 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 5: great friend, to the point where he's promising to unshackle 222 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 5: crypto and take a less aggressive approach towards regulating cryptocurrency. 223 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: All of these donations, and we're talking millions and millions 224 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: of dollars, Where does that money go and what is 225 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: it used for? 226 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 4: It goes into this inaugural committee. 227 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 5: It's a nonprofit group that stages the events that we 228 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 5: talked about, everything from the balls, to the parties, to 229 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 5: elements of the perks that the major donors get. But 230 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 5: we understand that Trump is raised so much money into 231 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 5: this inaugural committee that it's much more than they need, 232 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 5: and they are talking about transferring the surplus that's left 233 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 5: over after the inauguration and all the associated festivities are 234 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 5: over into a nonprofit group that will be funding his 235 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 5: Presidential Foundation and Library when that get going, whenever that 236 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 5: is there. No, we haven't seen any firm plans related 237 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 5: to that, but it just goes to show this guy's 238 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 5: raising so much money from business executives and others who 239 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 5: want to get close to him that it's more than 240 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 5: he needs, especially since he's not going to be running 241 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 5: for reelection in twenty twenty eight, because he's going to 242 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 5: be term limited out of the presidency, so they really 243 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 5: have a surplus of cash. They'll also be you know, 244 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 5: he's raised a lot of money into some of these 245 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 5: political groups that will be used to support his agenda, 246 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 5: both by supporting candidates who are aligned with his agenda 247 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 5: and by targeting candidates for defeat or members of Congress 248 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 5: for defeat who are dissenters or critics of his agenda. 249 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 7: He also wants to invoke something called the Insurrection Act, 250 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 7: which will allow him to use US military force against 251 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 7: American civilians at home, and he says he's going to 252 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 7: invoke that on day one, which would give him from 253 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 7: that day forward the ability to use the army against 254 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 7: US at home. So floating all of those things at 255 00:13:54,640 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 7: once and calling his opponent's verman, he's deliberately inviting the 256 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 7: criticism that he is behaving like a Hitler and Mussolini 257 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 7: style fascist. 258 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean, to me, from the outside, it looks like 259 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: with this money and with this financial backing and like 260 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: you said, supporting up and comers, he's kind of trying 261 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: to create his legacy here, right, Yeah. 262 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 4: There's a little bit of that. 263 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 5: I mean, certainly, you know, his first term, at least initially, 264 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 5: and you know, really all the way through is marked 265 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 5: by a lot of chaos and a lot of folks 266 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 5: who seem to not understand the way the process works 267 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 5: and to be learning on the fly, and that limited 268 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 5: his ability to push through his agenda. And so this 269 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 5: time he's got a lot more money, both in terms 270 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 5: of money in the bank of his political groups and 271 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 5: his inauguration and potentially his presidential library, but a lot 272 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 5: more business executives and you know, wealthy donors who are 273 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 5: appear to be on board with him. And now whether 274 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 5: that's on board because they support his agenda, or whether 275 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,359 Speaker 5: they fear that he will make good on his promises 276 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 5: to seek retribution against his critics and enemies, his political enemies, 277 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 5: you know, I think it's probably a mix of both 278 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 5: of those things. But either way, whatever the motivation is, 279 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 5: it's really made for a you know, a confluence of 280 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 5: events and individuals and companies and supporters that at least appear, 281 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 5: you know, from the outside and at the outset to 282 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 5: be giving him quite a lot of momentum headed into 283 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 5: his second term in office. 284 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: Where does this sit with his traditional magabase because we've 285 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: already seen some tensions over visas for tech workers emerge, 286 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: for example with former Trump ally Steve Bannon calling Elon 287 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: Musk racist and a truly evil guy. 288 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we'll see some tension. I mean, the 289 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 5: thing about MAGA is it sort of is Trump. I mean, 290 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 5: there are you know, there certainly are some philosophical issue 291 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 5: stands that pure to have white support, cracking down an 292 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 5: immigration obviously being one of the main ones, this sort 293 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 5: of populist nationalist sensibility, that the non andventionist approach to 294 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 5: foreign policy. That are things that he supports and most 295 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 5: of the people around him support. But as I've said, 296 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 5: you know that there are here nominees that he's picked 297 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 5: for key positions that don't support them. And so I 298 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 5: think there's a feeling that like wherever Trump comes down 299 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 5: on these things. Is what MAGA is, despite the fact 300 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 5: that there sometimes seems to be some discordinance between what 301 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 5: the base wants and what he wants, or what he 302 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 5: wants and what the people who are staffing his administration want. 303 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 5: That's sort of the Trump the Trump approach. He's sort 304 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 5: of all over the place on any number of issues, 305 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 5: and wherever he lands, which may be different from one 306 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 5: day to the next, is what MAGA is. 307 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: And last of Kenneth, what do you make of his 308 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: new presidential portrait. 309 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 6: Oh? 310 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the very very blue steel there similar to 311 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 5: his mugshot in some ways that famously circulated after the 312 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 5: authorities in Georgia indicted him or and a series of 313 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 5: crimes related to the effort to overturn the twenty two 314 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 5: the election. This is again, this is his part of 315 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 5: his appeal to his supporters. They like that, they like 316 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 5: that he has this tough guy persona. 317 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 4: They like that he has. 318 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 5: Positioned himself and claimed to be persecuted by the establishment, 319 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 5: by Democrats and by whomever his enemies of the moment are. 320 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 5: And so I think the portrait sort of captures that vibe. 321 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Kenneth. 322 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a pleasure. 323 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. 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