1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Kyota. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 2: daily podcast. 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Presented by the New Zealand Herald. Tis the season to 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: celebrate the. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: End of year with your workmates on the company dime. 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: But are the days of huge bashes and unlimited bar 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: tabs long gone? They've always been high risk and loaded 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: with illegal landmines, with employees towing the line between loose 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: networking and plain unprofessional. 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: So should companies ditch the drama for direct deposits or 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: is there still a little magic to the traditional Christmas 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: work do? Today? On the Front Page, aut Professor. 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: Of Management Candace Harris's with us to take a look 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: at work parties past, present, and yet to come. So Candace, 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: how have you work Christmas parties evolved in recent years? 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 3: Yes? Look good question. 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 4: I mean traditionally when we think of a Christmas party, 19 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 4: ideas of excess and chaos kind of come to mind. 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 3: And if you look at sort of movies, etc. 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 4: There's generally that with even a romantic subplot and all 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 4: things that we don't really want at work in the 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 4: modern age, so they have moved from those kind of 24 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 4: lavish late night open bar type riscue behavior events through 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 4: to being more modest, certainly better planned and structured, and 26 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 4: more they work to be more inclusive, to bring a 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 4: sort of a wider church of people rather than just 28 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 4: those that are up for a late night you know party. 29 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: And they're not even called mostly Christmas parties anymore, are they. 30 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: They're more like end of year celebrations. That's really important 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: for diversity reasons. 32 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 4: Hey oh look, absolutely it is seen has been more inclusive. 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 4: People do often appreciate and ignoment of Christmas at an 34 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 4: interview celebration, but Christmas is one day as well, and 35 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 4: people have worked hard all year, so it is nice 36 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 4: to bring everyone together. You've got to consider also that 37 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 4: with hybrid work arrangements, sometimes it may be the only 38 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 4: time that we see someone from another division or someone 39 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 4: perhaps more senior to where we're working. 40 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 3: So it is nice to bring people together. 41 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely from an HR standpoint, what are the top legal 42 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: or even reputational risks that come with these kind of 43 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: get togethers. 44 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 4: Good question again, So under the Health and Safety and 45 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 4: Workout two fifteen, employers do have what's called this primary 46 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 4: duty of care as parties are legally work events, and 47 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 4: that includes those that are held off site, so it's 48 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 4: not just those in your physical kind of workplace. So 49 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 4: the person undertaking the business does have this primary duty 50 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 4: of care to. 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: Ensure that it is a safe event. 52 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 4: And so it's about planning for a safety event, working 53 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 4: to sort of mitigate risk. But it is fair to 54 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 4: say that a major risk often at work parties is 55 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 4: alcohol and then the resulting things that can come from 56 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 4: too much alcohol in terms of perhaps poor judgments being made, 57 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 4: harassments of it is actually physical risks people tripping, falling, 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 4: and then at the end of it, you know how 59 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 4: people are actually getting home safe as well. 60 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 3: You also asked about reputational risk. 61 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 4: You know, one worry is that the Christmas party lives 62 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 4: on forever through social media or also people are streaming 63 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 4: the Christmas party live and saying, look at where I 64 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 4: am at such a good time, and so it does 65 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 4: sort of put a whole new era of reputational and 66 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 4: also brand risk as well. Used to just be hr 67 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: that were quite nervous about Christmas parties. I think you 68 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 4: could put the marketing in the comms people in that 69 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 4: camp as well. 70 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: Well. With alcohol obviously comes in appropriate conduct, blurred bound 71 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: reason those safety issues that you spoke about as well. 72 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: Work parties are obviously very high risk for employers. Have 73 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: companies just decided to eliminate any possibility of misconduct really 74 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 2: at these days? 75 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, some have gone alcohol free. 76 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 4: It is fair to say others may limit alcohol, and 77 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 4: there's various ways you can do that. You may give 78 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 4: staff two drinks tokens, and once they've used that, there 79 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 4: is no cash. 80 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: Far. Another way is perhaps limiting the time of the event. 81 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 4: Putting it on during the day can be another thing. 82 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 4: You know, the Christmas party is twelve or two and 83 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 4: that is it. Historically some of them had a start 84 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 4: time but no clear finish time. You know, there'd be 85 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 4: sort of these eight hour extravaganzas, which so definitely there's 86 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 4: much tighter boundaries put around them these days. And also 87 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 4: the provision of zero alcohol options because which a lot 88 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: of people have chosen not to drink for various you know, 89 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 4: sort of health, cultural, religious reasons, et ce. 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: I read somewhere as well when I was researching this. 91 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: Obviously this is a worldwide phenomenon. I read this really 92 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: good quote. 93 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: It said alcohol does not cancel power dynamics, and even 94 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: though your boss might be on the dance floor wearing 95 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: a Christmas jumper or a funny hat or something. 96 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: There's still your boss. 97 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: And it was quite funny. One line, and I think 98 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: it was from Yahoo or something. I'll have to find it, 99 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: but it was like, you know, Mary holding her shoes 100 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: at the dance floor are getting you to chug down 101 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: your wine or something. Might be doing your performance review 102 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: in three months time, you know, and having that in mind. 103 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: And another quote is what experts have said to remember, 104 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: if something feels thrilling at ten pm, ask yourself how 105 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: it would read at ten am in the boardroom. 106 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: Very good point. Yeah, absolutely. 107 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 4: I mean we had very clear professional expectations for behavior 108 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 4: for people all year. So it absolutely makes no sense 109 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 4: that everything is free reign and you know, do what 110 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 4: you want at this sort of six hour Christmas party. 111 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 4: It's completely nonsensical. And you know, we haven't really researched 112 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 4: Christmas parties in any great depth internationally. 113 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: But they can be quite career limiting for some. 114 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 4: That may be the thing that then carries you forward 115 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 4: into next year. You know, the reputational risk for you 116 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 4: individually in terms of your career, and then also not 117 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 4: to mention perhaps for the organization various workplace relationships as well. 118 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 4: I mean that may be the one thing that you 119 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 4: then equate that leader with, is that crazy dancing, etc. 120 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's certainly risky territory. 121 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 5: If you have an annual party at your office, then 122 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 5: you'll not it can be the greatest pit fall of 123 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 5: the social year. Traditionally it's the night when the obvious 124 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 5: boy shakes hands with the boss and his secretary gets 125 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 5: to kiss him and then drink inside them. They can 126 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 5: both tell you how to run the firm, but it's 127 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 5: sometimes a party with a twelve month hangover and the 128 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,559 Speaker 5: next day really is important to remember what you said 129 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 5: to whom the night before, whether you think it's a 130 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 5: good idea all a terrible mistake. Either way, you'll probably 131 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 5: turn up. Heads are counted and nobody wants to be 132 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 5: called scrooge. 133 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: And definitely you mentioned before, social media has completely changed 134 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: the game. I saw an executive recently, actually within the 135 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: last couple of weeks at National Australia Bank's offshoot it's 136 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,119 Speaker 2: called You Bank. They were asked to leave recently after 137 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: a disturbing image was taken. 138 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: At a Christmas function. 139 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: So I suppose that social media has just completely flipped 140 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: the switch. 141 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 4: Yes, well, you know, good Christmas parties these days are 142 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 4: well planned and you plan to kind of mitigate in 143 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 4: this sort of control for risk as well, Social media 144 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 4: is a whole other dimension because people are sort of 145 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 4: doing it individually as well, so you don't know who's 146 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 4: taking pictures of what, posting what, and also when they're 147 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 4: doing it. 148 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: You know, a post put up at two in the 149 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: morning may not. 150 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 4: Be something that you would post, as you said, at 151 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 4: ten am on your way to the boardroom. So absolutely 152 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 4: that puts incredible risk. And it's also the idea of consent. 153 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 4: You know, you busy posting a whole lot of things 154 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: about your colleagues. They may not be very happy with 155 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 4: that idea at all. But I think it comes back 156 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 4: to that first thing I was talking about. This is 157 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 4: a work event, so the kind of rules for proper 158 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 4: behavior at work still matter. 159 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 2: I was having a conversation with a colleague the other 160 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: day about this, and it feels like not only Christmas 161 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: parties have kind of been diluted over the years, but 162 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: I remember as a child going to my dads he 163 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: worked at an insurance firm in Aussie and I remember 164 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: those family fun days you know, like a big Christmas 165 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: barbecue for all of the family and then he would 166 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: obviously have his separate boozy work event or something. It 167 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: seems like companies are really steering away from those big 168 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 2: events and family involvement kind of things. 169 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: And I've spoke to a few people. 170 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: Around the office being like, oh, yeah, my dad's work 171 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: had that, all my mum's worked, did this and did that? 172 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: Do you reckon? 173 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: It's just like a cost of living thing. Just you know, 174 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: that's the first thing to cut, that's the first thing 175 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: to go. 176 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 4: Yes, well, you know there's been a cost of living 177 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 4: you know, sort of crisis at the household level, but 178 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 4: also organizations really have looked at how to be fiscally 179 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 4: responsible and so putting on big events, you know, it 180 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: certainly costs. 181 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 3: And doing these things that are family freely. 182 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 4: You may not be spending a whole lot, perhaps on alcohol, 183 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 4: but you will be spending on other things to make 184 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 4: people feel welcome, to cater for a variety of dietary 185 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 4: and personal food, likes to have perhaps activities that keep 186 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 4: kids happy, because kids may turn up but they actually 187 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 4: expect me in tained as well. 188 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 2: It costs a lot to get Santa down here from 189 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: the North Pole. 190 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and you know sometimes kids, they get a bit 191 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 4: bored at your parents' work after a while unless the 192 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 4: fun is sort of put on. I think though, you know, 193 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 4: we don't have a really good understanding of the real 194 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 4: diversity of ways that organizations, particularly in that small mediu 195 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 4: ment price sector, do actually celebrate Christmas, you know, as 196 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 4: a workplace at the end of the year in this country. 197 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 4: So it'd be great to get more stories coming through, 198 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 4: not just perhaps the very lavish, large corporate events, because 199 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 4: up and down the country, You're right, people are doing 200 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 4: all sorts of innovative things to sort of celebrate with 201 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 4: their colleagues. Because we've got to remember, all year we 202 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 4: develop good relationships with our colleagues, so it's nice to 203 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 4: sort of unwine with them and wash everyone well as 204 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 4: they go off to you know, celebrate somemer together. 205 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 206 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: I also have heard the conversation obviously, the cost of 207 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 2: living crisis is a bit pretty hard this year. Should 208 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: works think about maybe instead of doing the cost per 209 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: had lavish do down by the waterfront, just giving out 210 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: some prezzy cards. 211 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure that's something that perhaps some employees would prefer. 212 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: A sort of chicken and egg, isn't it though? 213 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: With the voucher versus party, I mean, often the spend 214 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 4: per head for the parties really has come down, So 215 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 4: the voucher may actually be very modest and you may 216 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 4: have completely forgotten what you even spent it on by 217 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 4: a month later. 218 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: However, that chance to bring people together. 219 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 4: So there was actually quite a rare academic study done 220 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 4: on Christmas parties in Germany that looked at three hundred 221 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 4: and fifty nine employees across sectors, and they did actually 222 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 4: find that the Christmas party can serve some good purpose 223 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 4: in terms of uniting people, creating that sense of team morale, 224 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: happiness in the workplace, as long as alcohol was controlled. 225 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 4: Back to alcohol, Alcohol is the thing that created most 226 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 4: dissatisfaction at parties. 227 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 3: But you're right. 228 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 4: I mean an organization may say there is no party 229 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 4: this year. Here's a voucher, but I think some employees 230 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: may be disappointed about how little that voucher may actually 231 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 4: be and how quickly it's forgotten. 232 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, we might be surprised what the cost per head is. Yeah, 233 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: in terms of I mean it's a huge uphill battle 234 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 2: since COVID four hospitality venues, I bet that when this 235 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: time of year comes around, it's a huge hit in 236 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: the arm for them. 237 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 4: Pay Yeah, that November December Christmas party spend is important. 238 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: It matters. 239 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 4: I think though that if anyone's good at sort of 240 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: innovative practice, it certainly is the hospitality sector. 241 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: In New Zealand. So they've had to pivot a bit. 242 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 4: You know, there may be less of the three hundred 243 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 4: people type parties. There may be those smaller sort of 244 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 4: smaller group parties, and a lot of organizations are perhaps 245 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 4: doing that as well, because the group that we don't 246 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 4: talk about is essential workers and frontline workers. Those you know, 247 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 4: people still need to be driving the buses in the 248 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 4: hospital wards. 249 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: So finding ways to celebrate that. 250 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 4: And then the hospitality as a sector is very good 251 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 4: at putting things on at different times of the day 252 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 4: as well, so there may be more of that kind 253 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: of daytime, smaller group type in a bitive thing. 254 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 3: And the hospitality sector certainly has. 255 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 4: Responded very well to trends such as you know, the 256 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 4: complete explosion of the zero alcohol movement, etc. 257 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: What do you reckon the future is for work Christmas parties. 258 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: It's not going to be something like on Love actually 259 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: or Wolf of Wall Street. 260 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely not. I think some of I think there'll 261 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 4: be continuation of the many of the good practices that 262 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 4: organizations have been using in terms of making sure that 263 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 4: they're well planned and planned with an eye to inclusion, 264 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 4: like what would most people enjoy rather than just the 265 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 4: few people that like the six hour sort of marathons. Also, 266 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 4: they will be very well communicated, so people will turn 267 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 4: up knowing what to expect, and including perhaps younger and 268 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 4: new workers who've maybe never been to your Christmas party. 269 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 4: As well, we'll see more innovation, we'll see smaller We'll 270 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 4: see both a mix of at work things but also 271 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 4: offsite things, etc. Perhaps more activities, and perhaps a more 272 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 4: clear tie in with the organizational brand and awesome values. 273 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 4: So saying, our organization stands for this all year, but 274 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 4: by the way, the only way we recognize Christmas is 275 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 4: to go to a bar. It sometimes can be a 276 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 4: bit disjointed in terms of actually celebrating us as an 277 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 4: organization and all the people who work to make it great. 278 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Candae. 279 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: Lovely and Merry Christmas, Chelsea. 280 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas. 281 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: That said, for this episode of the Front Page, you 282 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 283 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: at enzdherld dot co dot nz. 284 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: The Front Page is produced. 285 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: By Jane Ye and Richard Martin, who is also our editor. 286 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm Chelsea Daniels. 287 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: Subscribe to the Front Page on iHeartRadio or wherever you 288 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: get your podcasts, and tune in tomorrow for another look 289 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: behind the headlines.