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Speaker 1: Now it looks like we're going to be hit or

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Speaker 1: already being hit by the problems that we have with

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Speaker 1: shortages of ADHD medication. What's been going on is that

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Speaker 1: there is a survey that suggests about one half of

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Speaker 1: people who are actually prescribed ADHD medication cannot access at

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Speaker 1: the moment. Darren Bull is the chairperson of ADHD New

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Speaker 1: Zealand and with us.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey Darren, hi, Heather, how are you going very well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Apparently people are worried about losing their jobs

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Speaker 1: if they can't get a hold of this medication. Is

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Speaker 1: that reasonable?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some of our members who have taught

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Speaker 2: to us about the pressure they face without having access

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Speaker 2: to the medication, and we do hear that. We also

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Speaker 2: hear stories about people in the university and schools also struggling.

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Speaker 2: Just to correct their opening statement, we're not saying that

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Speaker 2: fifty percent or so on medication are missing out. Those

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Speaker 2: are those who highlighted in our survey how many people

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Speaker 2: were having problems.

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Speaker 1: Because it what's the difference.

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Speaker 2: It's just a small symp size. We went through basically

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Speaker 2: putting a quantitative study around the stories that we're hearing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, now I'm asking you what's the difference between

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Speaker 1: what I said and what you said? What's material there?

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Speaker 1: Because we want to get this right.

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Speaker 2: So there are approximately fifty five thousand New Zealanders on medication.

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Speaker 2: Not all of them are having shortages. Those who are

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Speaker 2: having shortages are the ones that are suffering or right struggling.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, Now what is going on, Darren? Why are

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Speaker 1: people Why do we have this shortage? Is this a

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Speaker 1: case of manufacturing dropping off or is it a case

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Speaker 1: of overprescription going on?

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Speaker 2: No, it's manufacturing dropping off. This is a global issue.

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Speaker 2: It's just not New Zealand. There are particular issues in

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Speaker 2: the UK and Australia as well. It is supply chain

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Speaker 2: issues and also issues of some manufacturers facing challenges getting

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Speaker 2: the raw material that they might need for the medicaid.

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Speaker 2: It's been going on for about a year, so it's

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Speaker 2: not a new problem.

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Speaker 1: Is there a case of overprescription as well?

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Speaker 2: Look, certainly there is an increase in demand worldwide with

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Speaker 2: ADHD medication and if you talk to ADHD UK in particular,

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Speaker 2: they talk about the increase in women seeking medication in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. There was a Tiger University research which came

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Speaker 2: out last year in the New Zealand Medical Journal, which

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Speaker 2: highlighted a huge treatment gap in New Zealand. We're erp

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Speaker 2: point six percent of the adult population was receiving treatment

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Speaker 2: for ADHD, but we estimate that two point six percent

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Speaker 2: of adults with ADHD might need help. So it is

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Speaker 2: really hard to get a diagnosis. So we don't think

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Speaker 2: it's over prescribed or over treated.

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Speaker 1: If you like in useum, how bad is it these

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Speaker 1: people who are getting it from their mates and getting

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Speaker 1: it on the black market and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm talking to our community that doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: to be up. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but

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Speaker 2: we have little evidence of that. I hasten to add.

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Speaker 2: It's illegal and if you do have a shortage, you

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Speaker 2: can't get the medication you need. Your first port of

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Speaker 2: core needs to be your chief.

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Speaker 1: I just got a text from Ben that says my

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Speaker 1: neighbors just got raided by the cops for selling their

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Speaker 1: ADHD ritz meds twenty dollars a pill. Is the going rate?

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard that. I'm surprised about that, and surely

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Speaker 2: the police have other things to look at.

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Speaker 1: No, No, you won't know. Darren you won't know about

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Speaker 1: that is twenty dollars a pill the going rate.

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Speaker 2: Not I haven't heard that at all, that at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Darren, thanks very much. Really appreciated Darren

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Speaker 1: Bull chairperson ADHD and said, I won't name any names,

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Speaker 1: but I will say that there are people near and

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Speaker 1: dear to me who've diagnosed themselves with ADHD and they're

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Speaker 1: getting the pills from their friends and then taking it

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Speaker 1: and saying it's making their life really awesome. Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: just leave it at that. So it's definitely happening out there,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's happening at quite a rate, judging

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