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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talk, ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: Champion and nine time world champion over one hundred meters Shelley,

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Speaker 2: Anne Fraser Price. I'm Jason Pineeshaw produce a tyre Ward today.

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Speaker 2: We're here talking sport until three plenty of cricket for

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Speaker 2: you today. The Blackap squads have been named for next

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Speaker 2: month's ODII and T twenty tours of India. Kyle Jamison's

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Speaker 2: and both squads, he's standing by for a chat and

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Speaker 2: maybe a hint on when he might play Test cricket

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Speaker 2: for us again. One of the new faces in the

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Speaker 2: ODIEI squad is Jaden Lennox, who also captain's CD and

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Speaker 2: white ball cricket. He's along this hour for a chat

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Speaker 2: as well, and about obviously his Black Caps selection, as

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Speaker 2: well as CD's defense of their men's T twenty title,

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Speaker 2: which gets underway this afternoon and day two of the

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Speaker 2: Boxing day Ashes Test. After an utterly bonker's first day

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Speaker 2: twenty wickets falling on the first day, Australia going to

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Speaker 2: resume at four without lasts and their second innings in

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Speaker 2: around twenty minutes from now. It's a lead of forty

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Speaker 2: six Ossie correspondent Adam Peacock is with us live from

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Speaker 2: the mcg and Award winning author Tim Wigmore has written

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Speaker 2: the first narrative history of Test cricket. It's called Test

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Speaker 2: Cricket a History and details the players and stories that

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Speaker 2: have shaped the game's evolution since eighteen seventy seven. He'll

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Speaker 2: tell us more about that when he joins us after

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Speaker 2: two other matters around today. The New Zealand Breakers will

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Speaker 2: honor one of their all time greats. In the next

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Speaker 2: month or so they'll retire the iconic number ten singlet

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Speaker 2: of four time champion Tom Abercrombie. He's with us after one,

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Speaker 2: as does Auckland FC striker Sam Costgrove. He's enjoying life

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Speaker 2: in the A League. Four goals this season. Auckland FC

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Speaker 2: top of the table. They would have been playing tonight

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Speaker 2: in Sydney, but a substandard purchase put paid to that,

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Speaker 2: but Sam Cosgrove pops him for a chat. Royal Wellington

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Speaker 2: Golf Club is going to host the eighth edition of

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Speaker 2: the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Championship in February next year,

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Speaker 2: bringing together the region's best young amateur war Women's golfers.

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Speaker 2: Nine key is in the field, including in Sir Choi,

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Speaker 2: who's currently fifty fourth in the world amateur rankings. She's

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Speaker 2: along for a chat Ben Francis on the darts as

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Speaker 2: we enter the post Christmas business end of the World

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Speaker 2: Champs and we go stateside for a dive into American

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Speaker 2: sport with our US sports expertly on Buzzby Live Sport.

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Speaker 2: While we're on the air today, we'll keep an eye,

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Speaker 2: of course on that Ashes test when Day two gets

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Speaker 2: underway at around twelve thirty and domestic Super Smash action

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Speaker 2: from fitz Herbert Park in Palmerston, North Central against Wellington

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Speaker 2: Women's game first to twelve forty the men's game to follow.

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Speaker 2: Lines are open all afternoon. You can get in touch

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Speaker 2: if you'd like to on oh eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: two or your emails into Jason at newstalksheb dot co

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Speaker 2: dot Nz. Just gone ten past midday weekends for it

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Speaker 2: on news talkshab are relatively inexperienced. Fifteen man squad has

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Speaker 2: been named for the Black Aps one day Cricket Sea

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Speaker 2: in India next month. Uncapped left arm spinner Jaden Lennox

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Speaker 2: and all round a Christian Clark are joined by emerging

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Speaker 2: internationals at Ashoch, Mitch Hay, Josh Clarkson, Nick Kelly and

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Speaker 2: recent Test debutante Michael Ray. Michael Bracewell is going to

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Speaker 2: captain the fifty over side, with white ball skipper Mitch

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Speaker 2: Santner only named for the five match T twenty series

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Speaker 2: which follows, and seven others will join the team for

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Speaker 2: that series Matt Henry, Jacob Duffy Rutch and Ravindram, Jimmyisham,

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Speaker 2: Tim Robinson, Ish Sody and Young Auckland. Batter Bevan Jacobs,

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Speaker 2: Lockie Ferguson, Adam Milne, Fin Allen and Tim Seiford will

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Speaker 2: allowing them to possibly feature ahead of the T twenty

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Speaker 2: World Cup in February. Pace bowler Kyle Jamison is included

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Speaker 2: in both ODI and T twenty squads.

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Speaker 3: it's Jamison or.

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Speaker 4: In the middle.

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Speaker 2: Awers thank ye simple simple.

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Speaker 4: The change of angle for the.

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Speaker 5: First time from Carl Jamison forces Campbell to flee and

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Speaker 2: Carl Jamison is with us. We just heard some audio

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Speaker 2: there from the ODI series against the West Indies last

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Speaker 2: last month. Kyle, you were player of the series and

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Speaker 2: that's seven wickets an average of twenty across the three matches.

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Speaker 2: You've played eight t twenty matches across the home series

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Speaker 2: How did you come through all of that cricket?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was really good.

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Speaker 5: It was obviously nice to have a nice you have

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Speaker 6: And ye last bit blocker cricket.

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Speaker 2: As I said, of course, we didn't see you much

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. You had that stress frack, but

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Speaker 6: Uh? Yeah, last year was tough.

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Speaker 5: I think I think the previous years were I don't

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Speaker 6: I think last year was certainly the toughest by a

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Speaker 5: I think I had a greater understanding of kind of

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Speaker 5: what was in front of me, and I kind of

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Speaker 6: So it was certainly, certainly reasonably challenging.

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, I felt like I had

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Speaker 5: So I felt like it really kind of set me

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Speaker 2: Is there what kept you going? The fact that you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I mean I was kind of staring down

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Speaker 5: it is probably not the smartest, smartest path forward, but

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Speaker 5: I felt like if I kind of wacked the fight

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Speaker 2: So what were the things that you were doing that

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Speaker 2: that you know that was so different from the way

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Speaker 2: you'd rehabbed in the past.

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Speaker 6: Uh, well, I suppose it wasn't so much.

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Speaker 5: Different sort of stuff, But like I just I just

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Speaker 5: I guess my legs through my glutes and core and

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Speaker 6: Your back just takes the brunt of it.

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Speaker 5: So I'd kind of just been resting and then just

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Speaker 5: Whereas this time it was like, no, one need to

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Speaker 5: We need to you know, learn how to use your

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Speaker 2: So interesting, So who gave you all this advice? Who

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Speaker 5: I sort of outsourced outsourced the rehab in a way,

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Speaker 5: So I went through.

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Speaker 6: Team and Or and Chelsea.

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Speaker 5: Lane and Matt Dello, so they didn't a fair bit

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Speaker 5: of work with athletes around the world and you know,

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Speaker 5: that I was like, I just don't feel like this

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I was able to kind of basically spend

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Speaker 6: And they're still and they're still part of our team today.

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Speaker 2: So good man, it's great to have you back. You

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Speaker 6: And it was so cool.

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Speaker 5: It was like it was such a whirl and I

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Speaker 5: to play to play basically. I plain think I played

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Speaker 5: and it was just it was just incredible. I just

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Speaker 5: absolutely loved it and just probably bought a fresh perspective

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Speaker 5: past being over there in years. Yeah, it would be

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Speaker 5: nice to get over the line, but yeah, very much

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. We had that season in twenty twenty one with

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. I think Mitchell Stark's in that team,

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Speaker 2: isn't it how much you're looking forward to a full

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Speaker 2: I hope our bowling attack next year in the boxing

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Speaker 2: this trajectory, and I think Jacob Duffy in the West

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00:20:19,027 --> 00:20:22,947
Speaker 2: Indies series we've just had albeit a you know they're

436
00:20:22,987 --> 00:20:25,107
Speaker 2: a step down, aren't they from Australia. But I think

437
00:20:25,267 --> 00:20:28,947
Speaker 2: Jacob Duffy proved that he is also a red ball

438
00:20:28,987 --> 00:20:32,787
Speaker 2: prospect a Jazz as our spinner. Look, yeah, well we

439
00:20:32,867 --> 00:20:35,387
Speaker 2: have to take a spinner, don't we. Whether it's Mitchell

440
00:20:35,467 --> 00:20:37,707
Speaker 2: Santna so that you have that batting as well, I

441
00:20:37,747 --> 00:20:40,467
Speaker 2: guess we won't see, but Paul that yeah, the fingers crossed.

442
00:20:40,467 --> 00:20:43,307
Speaker 2: But I totally agree with mate. Let's keep our fingers

443
00:20:43,307 --> 00:20:46,227
Speaker 2: crossed that everybody is fit because that could be quite

444
00:20:46,307 --> 00:20:49,587
Speaker 2: the series next year, quite the series. I think the

445
00:20:49,627 --> 00:20:52,107
Speaker 2: Boxing Day Test is the third one. Again, two tests

446
00:20:52,147 --> 00:20:54,227
Speaker 2: before that Boxing Day Test and there one in early January.

447
00:20:54,267 --> 00:20:56,827
Speaker 2: I think that's the way it goes, looking forward to it. Anyway,

448
00:20:56,987 --> 00:20:59,627
Speaker 2: they're back out there incidentally on day two of the

449
00:21:00,147 --> 00:21:04,427
Speaker 2: Boxing Day Test of this year and it is Travis

450
00:21:04,547 --> 00:21:07,947
Speaker 2: Head and Scott Bowland out. Scott Bolden I'm sure could

451
00:21:07,947 --> 00:21:10,587
Speaker 2: never have imagined that he'd be walking out to bat

452
00:21:10,747 --> 00:21:14,507
Speaker 2: to open the batting, that is in a Boxing Day Test.

453
00:21:14,547 --> 00:21:16,707
Speaker 2: But here we are here we are just a quick

454
00:21:17,027 --> 00:21:20,987
Speaker 2: quick check on Palmerston North and the Wellington Blaze have

455
00:21:21,027 --> 00:21:23,347
Speaker 2: won the toss and elected to bat first against the

456
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Speaker 2: Central Hins. Wellington Blaze are the defending women's champions in

457
00:21:27,107 --> 00:21:29,427
Speaker 2: our T twenty Super Smash. They're going to bat first

458
00:21:29,427 --> 00:21:32,547
Speaker 2: against the Central Hins, but of a false start unfortunately

459
00:21:32,747 --> 00:21:36,187
Speaker 2: in Hamilton yesterday when the Super Smash was supposed to

460
00:21:36,187 --> 00:21:38,827
Speaker 2: get under way, the Auckland Aces made two one for

461
00:21:38,947 --> 00:21:41,467
Speaker 2: eight against the Brave on their visit to Sedon Park.

462
00:21:41,587 --> 00:21:44,427
Speaker 2: Rain then set in and the match was abandoned. Bevan

463
00:21:44,507 --> 00:21:46,587
Speaker 2: Jacobs top scored with fifty five off thirty one ball

464
00:21:46,627 --> 00:21:48,707
Speaker 2: season that Black CAP's T twenty squad, which tour is

465
00:21:48,747 --> 00:21:50,987
Speaker 2: India next month, and the women's game only a couple

466
00:21:51,027 --> 00:21:53,667
Speaker 2: of overs possible. Auckland got to eight for one before

467
00:21:53,707 --> 00:21:58,787
Speaker 2: that match was also abandoned. Defending men's champion Central Districts

468
00:21:58,827 --> 00:22:01,307
Speaker 2: open their campaign against Wellington and Parmy a bit later

469
00:22:01,347 --> 00:22:03,707
Speaker 2: on today. Four to twenty five first born that one

470
00:22:04,067 --> 00:22:07,107
Speaker 2: and Central led this summer well some of it anyway

471
00:22:07,187 --> 00:22:12,987
Speaker 2: by Jayden Lennox. Yeah, oh that's brilliant. That is really

472
00:22:13,027 --> 00:22:16,307
Speaker 2: good from Jaden Lenox and that's got to be close that.

473
00:22:16,707 --> 00:22:20,147
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything's coming up.

474
00:22:20,227 --> 00:22:23,507
Speaker 2: Roses for Jaden Lenox Jaden Lennox as well, So thanks

475
00:22:23,547 --> 00:22:25,827
Speaker 2: for joining us mate. Before we get onto the Super Smash,

476
00:22:25,867 --> 00:22:27,627
Speaker 2: you were named, of course, in the Black Cap squad

477
00:22:27,667 --> 00:22:30,547
Speaker 2: for three od i's in India next month earlier this week.

478
00:22:30,587 --> 00:22:32,707
Speaker 2: Congratulations on that, mate. How much are you looking forward

479
00:22:32,707 --> 00:22:34,587
Speaker 2: to being part of the Black Cap set up for

480
00:22:34,627 --> 00:22:35,227
Speaker 2: the first time.

481
00:22:36,587 --> 00:22:36,947
Speaker 8: Oh?

482
00:22:37,587 --> 00:22:40,907
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm mentally excited at It's one of those things

483
00:22:40,907 --> 00:22:45,067
Speaker 9: that is I suppose that's a pinnacle of sporting New Zealander,

484
00:22:45,107 --> 00:22:48,347
Speaker 9: is representing your country. So to get the call from

485
00:22:48,467 --> 00:22:50,587
Speaker 9: from Gav a couple of days ago and be told

486
00:22:50,587 --> 00:22:52,947
Speaker 9: that I'd be on the trip to India was bloody exciting.

487
00:22:54,307 --> 00:22:56,827
Speaker 9: But your first and foremost just getting getting stuck back

488
00:22:56,867 --> 00:23:01,467
Speaker 9: into some some T twenty cricket at home before the

489
00:23:01,467 --> 00:23:03,427
Speaker 9: trip is always good as well, and I'm sure it'll

490
00:23:03,427 --> 00:23:04,187
Speaker 9: be bloody good prep.

491
00:23:04,467 --> 00:23:06,027
Speaker 2: I guess it means you'll miss a chunk of the

492
00:23:06,067 --> 00:23:08,947
Speaker 2: Super Smash. The timing is not exactly impeccable, is it.

493
00:23:08,947 --> 00:23:10,947
Speaker 2: You'll be away from what the middle part of the

494
00:23:10,947 --> 00:23:12,307
Speaker 2: Super Smash?

495
00:23:12,387 --> 00:23:15,627
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think might miss out on the middle maybe

496
00:23:15,987 --> 00:23:18,867
Speaker 9: four or five games and then come back and hopefully

497
00:23:19,187 --> 00:23:21,347
Speaker 9: get a little run into the finals, which would be

498
00:23:21,467 --> 00:23:22,427
Speaker 9: an ideal outcome.

499
00:23:23,067 --> 00:23:25,827
Speaker 2: Was some the black cap something you've been targeting.

500
00:23:28,067 --> 00:23:30,027
Speaker 9: Yeah, in all honestly that it's kind of been that's

501
00:23:30,027 --> 00:23:33,867
Speaker 9: been the goal for a long time now. So yeah,

502
00:23:33,907 --> 00:23:36,587
Speaker 9: it feels like the stars have kind of aligned, especially

503
00:23:36,867 --> 00:23:39,987
Speaker 9: this year. There's been a lot of things gone on

504
00:23:39,987 --> 00:23:43,267
Speaker 9: on and off the park would have sort of added

505
00:23:43,307 --> 00:23:46,267
Speaker 9: up to having a really really cool year and some

506
00:23:46,307 --> 00:23:47,867
Speaker 9: of those experiences, so this is kind of the icing

507
00:23:47,907 --> 00:23:49,547
Speaker 9: on the cake to get that call.

508
00:23:49,587 --> 00:23:51,867
Speaker 2: And beyond this trip, what are some of those things

509
00:23:51,907 --> 00:23:54,067
Speaker 2: that have that have gone well for you on and

510
00:23:54,147 --> 00:23:57,267
Speaker 2: off the field, Well.

511
00:23:57,107 --> 00:24:02,467
Speaker 9: The birth of our first child in July's probably top

512
00:24:02,507 --> 00:24:05,387
Speaker 9: of the cake for me, to be honest. And then yeah,

513
00:24:05,427 --> 00:24:08,987
Speaker 9: three overseas trip to sort of learn about my game

514
00:24:09,027 --> 00:24:11,707
Speaker 9: and what that looks like in foreign conditions. So we

515
00:24:11,787 --> 00:24:14,427
Speaker 9: had an age trip to bangdaleship started the winter, and

516
00:24:14,467 --> 00:24:17,227
Speaker 9: then the Stags managed to get an invite to the

517
00:24:17,227 --> 00:24:21,147
Speaker 9: Global Super League in Guyana midwinter for a couple of

518
00:24:21,187 --> 00:24:24,227
Speaker 9: weeks and play a few franchise twenty twenty teams. So

519
00:24:24,267 --> 00:24:26,387
Speaker 9: that was that was really cool as well, and got

520
00:24:26,387 --> 00:24:28,627
Speaker 9: some valuable experience there and then finished off the winter

521
00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:32,387
Speaker 9: with a trip to South Africa with the Nzday. So yeah,

522
00:24:32,387 --> 00:24:34,947
Speaker 9: it's been a huge winter of learning and yeah, on

523
00:24:35,027 --> 00:24:38,547
Speaker 9: and off the park, so yeah, it's been yeah, a

524
00:24:38,587 --> 00:24:39,347
Speaker 9: really really cool.

525
00:24:39,227 --> 00:24:43,347
Speaker 2: Winter, tremendous and the summer too. You've you've been named

526
00:24:43,347 --> 00:24:46,587
Speaker 2: captain obviously of the Stag's for Trophy side and now

527
00:24:46,627 --> 00:24:49,827
Speaker 2: the Super Smash side as well. Tom Bruce is away

528
00:24:49,867 --> 00:24:51,227
Speaker 2: playing franchise cricket, is.

529
00:24:51,227 --> 00:24:54,067
Speaker 9: He Yeah, yeah, he's away, so that's kind of that's

530
00:24:54,107 --> 00:24:57,267
Speaker 9: opened the door for some some more leadership opportunities for me,

531
00:24:58,507 --> 00:25:02,147
Speaker 9: and yeah, doing the Forard Trophy last year and then

532
00:25:02,147 --> 00:25:04,307
Speaker 9: the front half of this year has been really cool.

533
00:25:04,307 --> 00:25:07,227
Speaker 9: Having guys like Tom and Dane and Ticks around has

534
00:25:07,627 --> 00:25:11,867
Speaker 9: made a pretty seamless transition. And then yeah, obviously really

535
00:25:11,867 --> 00:25:13,987
Speaker 9: cool to get the get my hands on the twenty

536
00:25:14,027 --> 00:25:17,427
Speaker 9: twenty leadership as well, So yeah, really exciting. I suppose

537
00:25:17,507 --> 00:25:20,307
Speaker 9: last couple of years in that development space for me.

538
00:25:20,587 --> 00:25:24,707
Speaker 2: Have you developed a leadership or captaincy style in white

539
00:25:24,707 --> 00:25:25,427
Speaker 2: ball cricket.

540
00:25:27,787 --> 00:25:30,387
Speaker 9: Well, I probably couldn't put my finger on it, but

541
00:25:30,907 --> 00:25:34,107
Speaker 9: I suppose I just kind of I like having having

542
00:25:34,187 --> 00:25:36,387
Speaker 9: as much trust as I can in the players and

543
00:25:35,987 --> 00:25:39,667
Speaker 9: having pretty good communication streams, and just keeping things as

544
00:25:39,707 --> 00:25:42,507
Speaker 9: relaxed as I can, because I don't think many people

545
00:25:42,547 --> 00:25:44,507
Speaker 9: can perform if you're putting pressure on them as well

546
00:25:44,547 --> 00:25:47,307
Speaker 9: as the game situation. So for me, the big thing

547
00:25:47,427 --> 00:25:51,307
Speaker 9: is just being clear and calm. They're kind of my

548
00:25:51,347 --> 00:25:55,587
Speaker 9: two pinnacle. I suppose philosophies that I try and try

549
00:25:55,587 --> 00:25:57,707
Speaker 9: and instill, and I suppose a bowling unit.

550
00:25:57,747 --> 00:25:58,187
Speaker 10: And then.

551
00:25:59,787 --> 00:26:02,107
Speaker 9: Probably my big one outside of the actual game is

552
00:26:02,147 --> 00:26:04,587
Speaker 9: trying to put ourselves under pressure at training so we

553
00:26:05,227 --> 00:26:09,587
Speaker 9: when we get into proof PreCure situations where more adeptive performing.

554
00:26:09,667 --> 00:26:12,707
Speaker 9: So yeah, it's kind of not not really a big philosophy,

555
00:26:12,747 --> 00:26:14,787
Speaker 9: but just a few things I try and live by.

556
00:26:14,987 --> 00:26:19,067
Speaker 2: And that calmness and that composure is that sometimes challenging

557
00:26:19,067 --> 00:26:21,147
Speaker 2: in the in the I know you're just starting the

558
00:26:21,147 --> 00:26:24,307
Speaker 2: T twenty stuff, but do you foresee it being challenging

559
00:26:24,307 --> 00:26:26,907
Speaker 2: in a game like T twenty where things can change

560
00:26:26,947 --> 00:26:29,427
Speaker 2: in the space of four or five deliveries, you know,

561
00:26:29,667 --> 00:26:31,987
Speaker 2: and fluidity is required at all times.

562
00:26:33,027 --> 00:26:35,027
Speaker 9: Yeah, to be honest, the game changes so quickly that

563
00:26:35,067 --> 00:26:38,267
Speaker 9: you have to have that fluidity and being able to

564
00:26:38,267 --> 00:26:40,067
Speaker 9: read the game is probably one of those big things

565
00:26:40,067 --> 00:26:41,427
Speaker 9: that you have to have as a captain in the

566
00:26:41,427 --> 00:26:45,467
Speaker 9: shorter in the shorter formats, especially because as you say,

567
00:26:45,547 --> 00:26:48,307
Speaker 9: it happens it turns on a hudden and respace of

568
00:26:48,307 --> 00:26:51,467
Speaker 9: a couple of balls. So having having the fluidity to

569
00:26:51,547 --> 00:26:54,467
Speaker 9: change plans mid over and decide when something's not working

570
00:26:54,547 --> 00:26:58,067
Speaker 9: or decide when something needs to change is kind of

571
00:26:58,627 --> 00:27:01,307
Speaker 9: that's the essence of twenty twenty kit and see. So yeah,

572
00:27:01,347 --> 00:27:03,587
Speaker 9: looking forward to to putting my own little spin on

573
00:27:04,147 --> 00:27:05,707
Speaker 9: what that looks like in our environment.

574
00:27:05,747 --> 00:27:08,707
Speaker 2: I'm always cute curious about captains who bowl. How do

575
00:27:08,747 --> 00:27:10,867
Speaker 2: you know when to bowl yourself.

576
00:27:10,987 --> 00:27:12,027
Speaker 9: When it's easier.

577
00:27:13,307 --> 00:27:15,187
Speaker 2: You're the captain now just the easy overson?

578
00:27:16,707 --> 00:27:20,867
Speaker 9: No, I pride myself on typically bowling hard overs. So

579
00:27:22,507 --> 00:27:25,947
Speaker 9: thinking when I have a matchup is one thing. When

580
00:27:25,987 --> 00:27:27,707
Speaker 9: I when I feel like it's a matchup that can

581
00:27:27,987 --> 00:27:30,427
Speaker 9: sort of change the game, or they've got somebody that's

582
00:27:30,467 --> 00:27:33,027
Speaker 9: going well, try and cam myself in there and entry

583
00:27:33,027 --> 00:27:36,027
Speaker 9: and change the game. But yeah, you're right, it can

584
00:27:36,067 --> 00:27:39,067
Speaker 9: be difficult being a bowler and being captain and yet

585
00:27:39,107 --> 00:27:40,587
Speaker 9: to be honest a couple because ago when I was

586
00:27:40,587 --> 00:27:43,227
Speaker 9: starting out in the food tracker, I did find it

587
00:27:43,267 --> 00:27:47,587
Speaker 9: difficult to sort of manage my ten overs, but it's

588
00:27:47,627 --> 00:27:50,947
Speaker 9: something that I've definitely developed as well, So I've definitely

589
00:27:50,987 --> 00:27:51,947
Speaker 9: learned a lot in that space.

590
00:27:52,507 --> 00:27:55,547
Speaker 2: And I mean, economy is something that you're renowned for.

591
00:27:55,587 --> 00:27:57,347
Speaker 2: I mean, you only you go for just a tick over,

592
00:27:57,387 --> 00:28:01,267
Speaker 2: set on over across your entire T twenty career. Is

593
00:28:01,347 --> 00:28:04,827
Speaker 2: the aim to be economical or do you also try

594
00:28:04,827 --> 00:28:06,227
Speaker 2: to be a wicket taking threat?

595
00:28:08,347 --> 00:28:10,587
Speaker 9: I think they For me they come hand in hand

596
00:28:11,667 --> 00:28:15,507
Speaker 9: sort of my role with the attacking nature of ours

597
00:28:15,547 --> 00:28:19,587
Speaker 9: thing ballers that we've got. It's definitely just to try

598
00:28:19,627 --> 00:28:22,507
Speaker 9: and restrict runs and the wicket taking sort of looks

599
00:28:22,507 --> 00:28:25,187
Speaker 9: after itself if you can manage to balance the run.

600
00:28:25,307 --> 00:28:27,907
Speaker 9: So yeah, for me, if I can manage to balance

601
00:28:27,907 --> 00:28:29,707
Speaker 9: the runs, typically the wickets will come as well. So

602
00:28:29,867 --> 00:28:31,907
Speaker 9: it's kind of that's one of those ones where you'd

603
00:28:31,987 --> 00:28:33,707
Speaker 9: like to say that you're trying to do both all

604
00:28:33,707 --> 00:28:36,427
Speaker 9: the time. But for me, wicket taking typically comes through

605
00:28:36,427 --> 00:28:38,427
Speaker 9: restricting runs and when I get that right, wickets come.

606
00:28:38,547 --> 00:28:39,867
Speaker 11: So yeah.

607
00:28:39,987 --> 00:28:42,907
Speaker 2: The seasons structure as well means you play full trophy.

608
00:28:42,987 --> 00:28:46,187
Speaker 2: Then some red bull cricket now into the T twenty

609
00:28:46,187 --> 00:28:48,827
Speaker 2: Super Smash, have you and the other player has just

610
00:28:48,827 --> 00:28:52,507
Speaker 2: gotten pretty good at switching quickly between the formats.

611
00:28:53,507 --> 00:28:56,587
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we've definitely got better at it. But

612
00:28:56,627 --> 00:29:00,267
Speaker 9: I think probably the tricky one is going from plunket

613
00:29:00,347 --> 00:29:01,467
Speaker 9: shield into soup smash.

614
00:29:01,627 --> 00:29:04,227
Speaker 12: So we finished a four day all.

615
00:29:04,107 --> 00:29:06,627
Speaker 9: Of seven days ago and then all of and you've

616
00:29:06,627 --> 00:29:09,187
Speaker 9: got to completely switch from just banging away at the

617
00:29:09,187 --> 00:29:11,507
Speaker 9: top of off to having all your change ups, being

618
00:29:11,507 --> 00:29:12,867
Speaker 9: able to nail you York and being able to nail

619
00:29:12,907 --> 00:29:15,907
Speaker 9: your slower balls in the space of a week, which

620
00:29:15,987 --> 00:29:18,267
Speaker 9: doesn't seem like much prep. But fortunately we manage to

621
00:29:18,307 --> 00:29:21,187
Speaker 9: get out and play some Chapel Cup for our minor

622
00:29:21,227 --> 00:29:26,427
Speaker 9: associations over the weekend, so it was good prep. But yeah,

623
00:29:26,627 --> 00:29:28,947
Speaker 9: it can be tricky at times, But I think the

624
00:29:29,587 --> 00:29:33,147
Speaker 9: big one is switching from plunket shield straight into service smash.

625
00:29:33,187 --> 00:29:34,387
Speaker 9: That can be a little bit tricky.

626
00:29:34,667 --> 00:29:36,987
Speaker 2: And apart from Tom Bruce Bangle, why is the central

627
00:29:37,067 --> 00:29:41,107
Speaker 2: side fairly similar to last season's championship winning side.

628
00:29:42,787 --> 00:29:45,667
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think our personnel is more or less exactly

629
00:29:45,747 --> 00:29:49,787
Speaker 9: the same. We've managed to get to convince Foxy to

630
00:29:49,827 --> 00:29:52,587
Speaker 9: come back up to CD from Otago, so he's a

631
00:29:52,667 --> 00:29:55,707
Speaker 9: huge asset to our unit with batan ball and he's

632
00:29:55,747 --> 00:29:58,627
Speaker 9: got to hell of a lot of experience, so yeah,

633
00:29:58,667 --> 00:30:01,867
Speaker 9: he's a huge asset. And then obviously unfortunately losing Ticks

634
00:30:01,867 --> 00:30:05,427
Speaker 9: in the Test match a couple of weeks ago as

635
00:30:05,467 --> 00:30:08,627
Speaker 9: a shame, but we know how much he offers offers

636
00:30:08,707 --> 00:30:10,507
Speaker 9: us off the park as well, so I'm sure he'll

637
00:30:10,507 --> 00:30:13,787
Speaker 9: be charming in his two cents here and there. For

638
00:30:13,827 --> 00:30:14,467
Speaker 9: sure he will be.

639
00:30:15,347 --> 00:30:17,027
Speaker 2: He looks like kind of guy who's never short a

640
00:30:17,467 --> 00:30:19,467
Speaker 2: bit of advice, even win his shoulders all sort of

641
00:30:20,027 --> 00:30:21,307
Speaker 2: in a slang and things like that.

642
00:30:21,307 --> 00:30:22,547
Speaker 9: He's on the men, So that's good.

643
00:30:22,707 --> 00:30:25,427
Speaker 2: Good to hear, Jayden. An exciting time for you domestically

644
00:30:25,627 --> 00:30:27,867
Speaker 2: and internationally and by the sounds of it, off the

645
00:30:27,867 --> 00:30:29,747
Speaker 2: park as well. Thanks for chatting to us, mate, all

646
00:30:29,747 --> 00:30:32,667
Speaker 2: the best for the defense of your Super Smash Trophy. Yes, yes,

647
00:30:32,747 --> 00:30:34,867
Speaker 2: the things, No, thank you mate. That is Jaden Lennox,

648
00:30:35,107 --> 00:30:38,907
Speaker 2: captain of CD and four trophy and T twenty although

649
00:30:38,947 --> 00:30:40,507
Speaker 2: as you heard to mention that he'll be heading away,

650
00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:43,547
Speaker 2: so I guess they'll find another captain, but they will

651
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Speaker 2: have his leadership this afternoon where they take on the

652
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Speaker 2: Wellington Firebirds and the opening match of their defense of

653
00:30:49,867 --> 00:30:53,867
Speaker 2: the men's T twenty Championship. The women are under way

654
00:30:53,867 --> 00:30:56,947
Speaker 2: and Parmeerston North are just about to be Georgia Plummer

655
00:30:57,027 --> 00:30:59,027
Speaker 2: and Merely Kur who up in the batting for the blase.

656
00:30:59,387 --> 00:31:01,787
Speaker 2: Rosemary Mayor, a fellow White Fern, is going to open

657
00:31:01,787 --> 00:31:03,747
Speaker 2: the bowl and will keep eyes on that. In Australia,

658
00:31:03,827 --> 00:31:05,947
Speaker 2: eleven without loss in their second inning. The lead of

659
00:31:05,947 --> 00:31:09,347
Speaker 2: fifty's now over England. Right at the start of day

660
00:31:09,387 --> 00:31:11,907
Speaker 2: two of the boxing day Test, we're going to take

661
00:31:11,947 --> 00:31:13,827
Speaker 2: a break. When we come back, it's the golf we go.

662
00:31:14,027 --> 00:31:17,227
Speaker 2: It's a really really big event coming in February at

663
00:31:17,267 --> 00:31:21,987
Speaker 2: the Royal Wellington Golf Club, the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Championship.

664
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Speaker 2: This is this is a tournament with quite the carrot

665
00:31:25,627 --> 00:31:29,827
Speaker 2: at the end of it. Nine kiwis are involved, including

666
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Speaker 2: our top amateur in Sir Choice. She's going to join

667
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Speaker 2: us for a chat right after this.

668
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Speaker 1: The Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason

669
00:31:37,867 --> 00:31:41,747
Speaker 1: Pine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder

670
00:31:41,867 --> 00:31:42,667
Speaker 1: News Talks B.

671
00:31:43,707 --> 00:31:46,547
Speaker 2: News Talks AB quarter to one. Royal Wellington Golf Club

672
00:31:46,667 --> 00:31:49,467
Speaker 2: is hosting the eighth edition of the Women's Amateur Asia

673
00:31:49,547 --> 00:31:53,547
Speaker 2: Pacific Championship from February twelve through fifteen next year, bringing

674
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Speaker 2: together the region's best young amateur women's golfers. The winner

675
00:31:57,067 --> 00:32:01,267
Speaker 2: earns starts in three major championships, the AIG Women's Open,

676
00:32:01,467 --> 00:32:05,547
Speaker 2: the Amundai Evon Championship and the Chevron Championship. Eighty four

677
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Speaker 2: players from twe country set to contest, including a record

678
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Speaker 2: nine from New Zealand. Among them is in Sir Choi,

679
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Speaker 2: who is currently ranked fifty fourth in the World Amateur Rankings,

680
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Speaker 2: our top amateur. She joins us now and so thanks

681
00:32:18,507 --> 00:32:21,787
Speaker 2: for joining us. You've played this event several times before.

682
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Speaker 2: How special is it to play the Women's Amateur Asia

683
00:32:25,187 --> 00:32:28,307
Speaker 2: Pacific Championship though in your own home country?

684
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Speaker 13: Thanks true.

685
00:32:29,427 --> 00:32:31,787
Speaker 14: This is my uns lay at fourth time, so there's

686
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Speaker 14: no fift time going into playing this toilet and it

687
00:32:35,027 --> 00:32:37,507
Speaker 14: feels like a great honor to be playing it back

688
00:32:37,547 --> 00:32:40,867
Speaker 14: in my home country because I've been telling many other

689
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Speaker 14: competitors that New Zealand is such a great place to

690
00:32:43,387 --> 00:32:45,707
Speaker 14: come to and it's like such a prey to be

691
00:32:45,747 --> 00:32:46,987
Speaker 14: able to show Pibah.

692
00:32:46,827 --> 00:32:51,467
Speaker 10: After raw Is and how amazing Gorfusian is able to

693
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Speaker 10: provide for the rest of the players of the world

694
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Speaker 10: to come compare on our home soil.

695
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Speaker 2: So you were thirteenth in the twenty twenty five edition,

696
00:32:58,587 --> 00:33:01,467
Speaker 2: are the best of the kiwis sixty one, sorry, sixty seven,

697
00:33:01,507 --> 00:33:04,187
Speaker 2: seventy one, sixty seven, sixty seven. How do you reflect

698
00:33:04,227 --> 00:33:07,147
Speaker 2: back on the twenty twenty five edition of this tournament.

699
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Speaker 10: I think it was a really great learning opportunity for me.

700
00:33:11,827 --> 00:33:13,387
Speaker 13: It was definitely one of my best.

701
00:33:13,147 --> 00:33:16,987
Speaker 10: Performances so far, and I'm very part of the result

702
00:33:17,027 --> 00:33:21,547
Speaker 10: I've made, and during this time there were many moments

703
00:33:21,547 --> 00:33:23,867
Speaker 10: where I hope that I could have done better, but

704
00:33:24,427 --> 00:33:26,627
Speaker 10: I think it was a moment for me to reflect

705
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Speaker 10: on and push forward for the twenty twenty six editions.

706
00:33:30,827 --> 00:33:35,467
Speaker 2: The winner earns starts in three major championships. How big

707
00:33:35,507 --> 00:33:38,547
Speaker 2: an incentive is that for an amateur golfer.

708
00:33:38,987 --> 00:33:40,507
Speaker 13: That is a very big incentive.

709
00:33:41,467 --> 00:33:44,587
Speaker 10: It's one of the three major events, and it's a

710
00:33:44,627 --> 00:33:47,827
Speaker 10: great opportunity for us to get to know the professional

711
00:33:47,907 --> 00:33:52,707
Speaker 10: playing field, and just getting within the top top ranking

712
00:33:52,747 --> 00:33:56,827
Speaker 10: of that tournament gives us like points for this college

713
00:33:56,907 --> 00:34:00,267
Speaker 10: ranking system which allows if we have enough points, which

714
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Speaker 10: allows us to go professional without taking any two school

715
00:34:05,027 --> 00:34:10,187
Speaker 10: or pro testing. So it's like a very big incentive

716
00:34:10,227 --> 00:34:10,627
Speaker 10: for us.

717
00:34:10,747 --> 00:34:12,667
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I just want to take you back to twenty

718
00:34:12,707 --> 00:34:16,147
Speaker 2: twenty four. You won the New Zealand Women's Strike Play

719
00:34:16,227 --> 00:34:20,067
Speaker 2: Championship and the New Zealand Women's Amateur Championship, and that's

720
00:34:20,067 --> 00:34:22,787
Speaker 2: a double that even Lydia Coe didn't achieve in the

721
00:34:22,827 --> 00:34:25,147
Speaker 2: same year when she was an amateur. So tell us

722
00:34:25,187 --> 00:34:29,387
Speaker 2: about twenty twenty four and in particular those two wins.

723
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Speaker 10: Last year turn twenty four, I was prapping for college

724
00:34:33,467 --> 00:34:36,067
Speaker 10: and it was like my final year of high school.

725
00:34:36,107 --> 00:34:40,987
Speaker 10: So around the last three months of t twenty four,

726
00:34:41,347 --> 00:34:44,507
Speaker 10: I had no school and JOSS exams. So I've been

727
00:34:44,507 --> 00:34:47,267
Speaker 10: grinding on golf for a very long time, and during

728
00:34:47,267 --> 00:34:51,067
Speaker 10: that time I have managed one the two tournaments, which

729
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Speaker 10: I'm very grateful.

730
00:34:52,027 --> 00:34:52,867
Speaker 13: And thankful for.

731
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Speaker 10: I think it was all based on the hard work

732
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Speaker 10: and the grind that I've been putting in for the

733
00:34:57,947 --> 00:35:00,667
Speaker 10: past two twenty four and that's what.

734
00:35:00,747 --> 00:35:02,067
Speaker 13: Got me to that level.

735
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Speaker 2: So you're now based at Pepperdine University in Malibu, California,

736
00:35:06,507 --> 00:35:08,227
Speaker 2: which sounds like a very nice part of the world.

737
00:35:09,267 --> 00:35:12,227
Speaker 2: Tell us about the decision to move there and how

738
00:35:12,227 --> 00:35:13,467
Speaker 2: you've enjoyed your time there.

739
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Speaker 10: Firstly, I've met the coach in Australia while playing a

740
00:35:17,867 --> 00:35:21,267
Speaker 10: tournament as I was playing with one of the graduate

741
00:35:21,307 --> 00:35:25,067
Speaker 10: students there. She just told me about how great Peppadine

742
00:35:25,227 --> 00:35:27,507
Speaker 10: was and I was like, oh, they sounds so great,

743
00:35:27,507 --> 00:35:30,267
Speaker 10: and she was like asking if she should put me

744
00:35:30,267 --> 00:35:32,747
Speaker 10: on with the coach. So I talked with the coach

745
00:35:32,827 --> 00:35:36,907
Speaker 10: a fair a bit with both my parents and going

746
00:35:36,947 --> 00:35:41,347
Speaker 10: to California on my own does seem a bit risky. However,

747
00:35:42,267 --> 00:35:45,067
Speaker 10: she was very welcoming and open, and a lot of

748
00:35:45,067 --> 00:35:47,987
Speaker 10: my teammates already knew beforehand, so it felt like if

749
00:35:47,987 --> 00:35:51,907
Speaker 10: big family going there, and everyone at Pepperdine is really nice.

750
00:35:52,227 --> 00:35:54,507
Speaker 13: The weather's great, which is the best part.

751
00:35:54,867 --> 00:35:58,507
Speaker 10: We're by the ocean, the views amazing, so you can't

752
00:35:58,507 --> 00:35:59,387
Speaker 10: really hate ma Levis.

753
00:35:59,787 --> 00:36:02,027
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't sound like it sounds like a great

754
00:36:02,067 --> 00:36:04,667
Speaker 2: place to be playing golf. So how much has your

755
00:36:04,747 --> 00:36:08,307
Speaker 2: game developed in the last twelve months since you've been

756
00:36:08,667 --> 00:36:09,507
Speaker 2: in the States.

757
00:36:10,027 --> 00:36:11,467
Speaker 13: It definitely has developed a lot.

758
00:36:11,627 --> 00:36:15,547
Speaker 10: I'm hitting it much further, my scores are much more consistent.

759
00:36:16,267 --> 00:36:17,707
Speaker 13: I'm feeling much stronger for sure.

760
00:36:18,027 --> 00:36:21,627
Speaker 10: I'm definitely much more ready for future tournaments and anything

761
00:36:21,627 --> 00:36:24,347
Speaker 10: that is to come, as I'm balancing much more scorework

762
00:36:24,867 --> 00:36:27,827
Speaker 10: and the travels that's been going on for the past year.

763
00:36:28,227 --> 00:36:31,347
Speaker 2: So in a typical week, and so how much golf

764
00:36:31,667 --> 00:36:34,507
Speaker 2: are you playing? Are you playing every day or does

765
00:36:34,547 --> 00:36:36,827
Speaker 2: your study not allow that? What does a typical week

766
00:36:36,867 --> 00:36:37,547
Speaker 2: look like for you?

767
00:36:38,107 --> 00:36:41,667
Speaker 10: A typical week would look like sixties a week and

768
00:36:41,707 --> 00:36:44,787
Speaker 10: then a day off, But then it'll be for us.

769
00:36:46,067 --> 00:36:48,667
Speaker 10: It's a bit different during the winter and the summer

770
00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:51,347
Speaker 10: because sometimes it gets darker, like five pm or like

771
00:36:51,387 --> 00:36:55,907
Speaker 10: six pm, So we'll start from twelve pm after our

772
00:36:55,907 --> 00:36:59,267
Speaker 10: classes are finished until it gets dark and then we

773
00:36:59,347 --> 00:36:59,867
Speaker 10: study for the.

774
00:36:59,907 --> 00:37:00,467
Speaker 13: Rest of the night.

775
00:37:01,307 --> 00:37:06,107
Speaker 2: Wow, and when and how did your golf journey begin?

776
00:37:06,587 --> 00:37:09,067
Speaker 2: Can you remember the first time you picked up a

777
00:37:09,067 --> 00:37:09,547
Speaker 2: golf club?

778
00:37:09,827 --> 00:37:10,587
Speaker 13: Yes? I can.

779
00:37:11,827 --> 00:37:12,067
Speaker 15: So.

780
00:37:12,187 --> 00:37:14,747
Speaker 10: The thing was, I always enjoyed playing.

781
00:37:14,587 --> 00:37:16,987
Speaker 13: Different sports, and it actually started off.

782
00:37:16,827 --> 00:37:19,707
Speaker 10: From many golf and then my dad asked if I

783
00:37:19,747 --> 00:37:23,667
Speaker 10: wanted to play golf for real, and honestly, maybe naive,

784
00:37:23,827 --> 00:37:26,467
Speaker 10: I didn't realize what he meant by it, and I

785
00:37:26,547 --> 00:37:27,587
Speaker 10: just said yes willingly.

786
00:37:28,187 --> 00:37:29,627
Speaker 13: And on Christmophy.

787
00:37:30,147 --> 00:37:32,187
Speaker 10: I just found golf clubs were under the tree, and

788
00:37:32,227 --> 00:37:36,427
Speaker 10: I was like, yay, and that is lucky how I started.

789
00:37:36,787 --> 00:37:37,947
Speaker 2: So how old were you then?

790
00:37:38,387 --> 00:37:39,947
Speaker 10: I was around seven and a half.

791
00:37:40,067 --> 00:37:42,347
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing and what you just thought it was going

792
00:37:42,427 --> 00:37:43,787
Speaker 2: to be a big game of mini golf.

793
00:37:44,547 --> 00:37:50,427
Speaker 10: Yeah, with both different sets of clubs, amazing interrange.

794
00:37:51,307 --> 00:37:54,107
Speaker 2: So when did when did you start to take it

795
00:37:54,427 --> 00:37:55,347
Speaker 2: quite seriously?

796
00:37:55,387 --> 00:37:55,547
Speaker 9: Then?

797
00:37:55,587 --> 00:37:56,707
Speaker 2: How old would you have been?

798
00:37:57,107 --> 00:37:57,147
Speaker 6: So?

799
00:37:57,507 --> 00:38:00,947
Speaker 10: Funny thing is my dad also reeled me into it.

800
00:38:01,387 --> 00:38:03,547
Speaker 10: He said, the thing is, if I was to start

801
00:38:03,587 --> 00:38:06,587
Speaker 10: a golf then I have to go pro, like I

802
00:38:06,667 --> 00:38:08,867
Speaker 10: have to be serious on the start. So I guess

803
00:38:08,867 --> 00:38:09,707
Speaker 10: from the end of eight.

804
00:38:11,107 --> 00:38:13,467
Speaker 2: Wow, So you're dad when you were an eight year

805
00:38:13,507 --> 00:38:16,227
Speaker 2: old said okay, you can play, but only if you

806
00:38:16,267 --> 00:38:18,467
Speaker 2: take it seriously enough to turn pro one day.

807
00:38:18,987 --> 00:38:21,227
Speaker 13: Yes, you saw the vis before I start.

808
00:38:22,387 --> 00:38:24,427
Speaker 2: Wow, So let's talk about that. Then you mentioned it

809
00:38:24,467 --> 00:38:27,667
Speaker 2: before about getting enough points. How will you know when

810
00:38:27,667 --> 00:38:30,267
Speaker 2: it's time to turn pro? Or is it just a

811
00:38:30,307 --> 00:38:32,307
Speaker 2: matter of getting enough points? How does it all work?

812
00:38:33,387 --> 00:38:36,507
Speaker 10: So the college system has its own point, but to

813
00:38:36,547 --> 00:38:38,227
Speaker 10: go professional, it's.

814
00:38:37,987 --> 00:38:39,107
Speaker 13: Honestly all up to you.

815
00:38:39,787 --> 00:38:44,547
Speaker 10: Then most countries, I think you have to be eighteen

816
00:38:44,547 --> 00:38:46,547
Speaker 10: to go professional, while.

817
00:38:46,427 --> 00:38:51,147
Speaker 13: LPGA is eighteen. However, once you hit the age, you.

818
00:38:51,067 --> 00:38:54,227
Speaker 10: Can choose to play college or you can choose to

819
00:38:54,347 --> 00:38:57,947
Speaker 10: like if you play really well, you can make you

820
00:38:57,947 --> 00:39:00,907
Speaker 10: can get points in college as I mentioned before, or

821
00:39:00,947 --> 00:39:03,187
Speaker 10: you can just decide to go professional and like try

822
00:39:03,267 --> 00:39:07,107
Speaker 10: to school, which is like the testing stage four going professional.

823
00:39:07,827 --> 00:39:08,307
Speaker 7: So have you?

824
00:39:09,027 --> 00:39:09,907
Speaker 2: Yeah?

825
00:39:10,027 --> 00:39:10,507
Speaker 10: So have you?

826
00:39:11,107 --> 00:39:13,787
Speaker 2: What is the plan? Will you complete your studies? What

827
00:39:14,107 --> 00:39:16,347
Speaker 2: is the plan? When do you think as we sit

828
00:39:16,387 --> 00:39:19,227
Speaker 2: here today, when ideally would you go pro?

829
00:39:20,787 --> 00:39:23,627
Speaker 10: I've got two more This was my second year, so

830
00:39:23,667 --> 00:39:26,627
Speaker 10: I have brown two and a half more years left

831
00:39:26,627 --> 00:39:29,427
Speaker 10: of college and I think I will finish, so once

832
00:39:29,467 --> 00:39:32,867
Speaker 10: again my degree, I think I will try and grow professional.

833
00:39:33,387 --> 00:39:36,747
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing. Well, it's a very exciting time for you,

834
00:39:36,907 --> 00:39:39,787
Speaker 2: and in particular coming to Royal Wellington in the middle

835
00:39:39,827 --> 00:39:42,947
Speaker 2: of February for the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Championship, and

836
00:39:42,987 --> 00:39:44,827
Speaker 2: so it has been wonderful to get the chance to

837
00:39:44,907 --> 00:39:47,347
Speaker 2: chat to you all the best for that tournament and

838
00:39:47,387 --> 00:39:49,827
Speaker 2: for your golfing career. We look forward to staying in touch.

839
00:39:50,107 --> 00:39:53,427
Speaker 2: Thank you, no, thank you. Into Choy, our top female

840
00:39:53,507 --> 00:39:57,307
Speaker 2: amateur golfer head of the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Championship

841
00:39:57,347 --> 00:40:00,547
Speaker 2: at Royal Wellington in mid February seven to one News talks, heb.

842
00:40:02,147 --> 00:40:04,787
Speaker 1: Let's go from the drag field and the court on

843
00:40:04,947 --> 00:40:07,067
Speaker 1: your home of Lord again Sport.

844
00:40:07,267 --> 00:40:09,427
Speaker 4: Where's Jason Vine? News talks eNB.

845
00:40:10,067 --> 00:40:12,187
Speaker 2: Four to one. Scott Bowlin's out at the mcg caught

846
00:40:12,187 --> 00:40:14,787
Speaker 2: behind off the bowling of Gus Atkinson for six. Australia

847
00:40:14,867 --> 00:40:17,027
Speaker 2: twenty two for one. Jack weather All's come out to

848
00:40:17,107 --> 00:40:19,787
Speaker 2: join Travis Head. So it's the regular opening pair at

849
00:40:19,827 --> 00:40:22,147
Speaker 2: the wicket now Australia with a lead of sixty four

850
00:40:22,307 --> 00:40:26,227
Speaker 2: runs with nine second innings wickets in hand. After the

851
00:40:26,227 --> 00:40:29,067
Speaker 2: one o'clock news, Tom Abercrombie going to have a singlet

852
00:40:29,187 --> 00:40:32,747
Speaker 2: retired by the Breakers, his iconic number ten that he

853
00:40:32,827 --> 00:40:37,187
Speaker 2: wore so often and so successfully. And Sam Cosgrove out

854
00:40:37,187 --> 00:40:40,147
Speaker 2: of Auckland FC their new English striker joining us too. Yes,

855
00:40:40,227 --> 00:40:43,307
Speaker 2: So a year in review show for you between midday

856
00:40:43,307 --> 00:40:45,987
Speaker 2: and three tomorrow we'll look back on some of the

857
00:40:45,987 --> 00:40:49,667
Speaker 2: big stories, the big controversies, the big interviews and some

858
00:40:49,707 --> 00:40:53,227
Speaker 2: of our favorite moments sports wise from the last year.

859
00:40:53,827 --> 00:40:57,627
Speaker 2: So twenty twenty five the weekend Sport Year in review

860
00:40:57,747 --> 00:41:02,187
Speaker 2: tomorrow between midday and three. For today though we carry

861
00:41:02,227 --> 00:41:04,467
Speaker 2: on but to get through this hour, off to Melbourne

862
00:41:04,707 --> 00:41:08,147
Speaker 2: where the second day of the Boxing Day Test is underway.

863
00:41:08,187 --> 00:41:12,667
Speaker 2: Adam Peacock, our regular Australian correspondent on a Saturday, is

864
00:41:13,027 --> 00:41:15,627
Speaker 2: ed Melbourne. He's at the mcg watching on so he'll

865
00:41:15,707 --> 00:41:19,227
Speaker 2: join us in around no thirty thirty five minutes or

866
00:41:19,267 --> 00:41:21,427
Speaker 2: so to give us the update and also try and

867
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Speaker 2: unpack an absolutely crazy day yesterday. I worry about the

868
00:41:25,267 --> 00:41:29,347
Speaker 2: Cricket Australia books, you know the accountant see books. I

869
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Speaker 2: mean they had a two day Test in Perth after

870
00:41:32,387 --> 00:41:35,907
Speaker 2: twenty wickets fell yesterday. This one hadn't gone the distance either,

871
00:41:36,147 --> 00:41:39,027
Speaker 2: so you think about the ticket sales that and the

872
00:41:39,147 --> 00:41:42,947
Speaker 2: revenue they'll miss out on from the possibility of a

873
00:41:43,027 --> 00:41:45,947
Speaker 2: two or three day Test in Melbourne. Anyway, we can

874
00:41:45,987 --> 00:41:49,347
Speaker 2: talk to Adam Peacock about that updating you the score

875
00:41:49,387 --> 00:41:52,067
Speaker 2: actually thirty nine for one Australia thirty nine for one

876
00:41:52,267 --> 00:41:55,627
Speaker 2: in their second innings, Scott Bolding the man out earlier

877
00:41:55,667 --> 00:41:59,667
Speaker 2: today for six. Travis heads there on twenty four. Jake

878
00:41:59,747 --> 00:42:04,587
Speaker 2: weatheralld unbeaten on five thirty nine for one Australian alleyed

879
00:42:04,587 --> 00:42:07,187
Speaker 2: by eighty one runs, which doesn't sound like a lot,

880
00:42:07,227 --> 00:42:09,227
Speaker 2: but in the context of this match and the series,

881
00:42:09,267 --> 00:42:13,667
Speaker 2: actually it's fairly substantial. We'll keep eyes on that for

882
00:42:13,747 --> 00:42:16,187
Speaker 2: you and as I say, get you to Melbourne and

883
00:42:16,387 --> 00:42:19,507
Speaker 2: in the supersmatch, the women's game at a sun soaked

884
00:42:19,547 --> 00:42:23,907
Speaker 2: fitz Herbert Park in Palmerston North, the defending champion Wellington

885
00:42:23,947 --> 00:42:26,947
Speaker 2: Blaze have made a pretty good start to their title defense.

886
00:42:27,467 --> 00:42:32,227
Speaker 2: In the seventh over there through to fifty five without loss,

887
00:42:32,427 --> 00:42:35,027
Speaker 2: fifty five without loss, Georgia Plumber and Milli Kerr, the

888
00:42:35,107 --> 00:42:39,787
Speaker 2: two Whitefern's batters are together and going along very nicely.

889
00:42:39,827 --> 00:42:42,107
Speaker 2: In the fifty five without loss and the seventh over

890
00:42:42,187 --> 00:42:44,067
Speaker 2: that's a run rate of eight and a half for

891
00:42:44,147 --> 00:42:46,627
Speaker 2: the Blaze. The men's game is a little bit later

892
00:42:46,667 --> 00:42:49,787
Speaker 2: on this afternoon. We'll keep you updated. The New Zealand

893
00:42:49,867 --> 00:42:53,587
Speaker 2: Breakers meantime will honor one of their all time greats.

894
00:42:53,627 --> 00:42:57,467
Speaker 2: They are going to retire the iconic number ten singlet

895
00:42:57,827 --> 00:43:05,707
Speaker 2: of four time anbl champion Tom Abercrombie.

896
00:43:03,587 --> 00:43:06,947
Speaker 3: Tom twenty aouy.

897
00:43:11,907 --> 00:43:15,907
Speaker 2: Tom Abercrombie famously wore the number ten throughout his four

898
00:43:15,987 --> 00:43:19,387
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty nine game career with the Breakers. He

899
00:43:19,427 --> 00:43:22,787
Speaker 2: won the Grand Final MVP in twenty eleven, was an

900
00:43:22,787 --> 00:43:26,387
Speaker 2: All NBL First Team member in twenty twelve, and appeared

901
00:43:26,387 --> 00:43:30,587
Speaker 2: in all five of the Breakers' Championship Series appearances throughout

902
00:43:30,627 --> 00:43:35,707
Speaker 2: his illustrious sixteen season career. He is just the fourth

903
00:43:35,747 --> 00:43:39,307
Speaker 2: Breakers player to receive the honor of having his number retired,

904
00:43:39,707 --> 00:43:43,627
Speaker 2: alongside former teammates Paul Hennaday the number thirty two, c J.

905
00:43:43,827 --> 00:43:47,347
Speaker 2: Bruton the number twenty three, and Dylan Boucher the number

906
00:43:47,387 --> 00:43:50,067
Speaker 2: twenty four. And it was Dylan Boucher who broke the

907
00:43:50,107 --> 00:43:53,627
Speaker 2: news to Tom Abercrombie in recent days that his number

908
00:43:53,747 --> 00:43:57,387
Speaker 2: was to be retired. Tom Abercrombie is with us. Congratulations mate,

909
00:43:57,467 --> 00:44:01,307
Speaker 2: huge congratulations on this. Did you know that this was

910
00:44:01,347 --> 00:44:01,987
Speaker 2: in the works.

911
00:44:03,827 --> 00:44:08,147
Speaker 16: Yeah, thanks, jes Look, I knew it was probably going

912
00:44:08,187 --> 00:44:10,147
Speaker 16: to happen at some stage, but it had no idea

913
00:44:12,067 --> 00:44:16,147
Speaker 16: probably it would happen so soon, and certainly when Dylan

914
00:44:16,227 --> 00:44:17,867
Speaker 16: invited me into have a chat to the boys, I

915
00:44:17,867 --> 00:44:20,427
Speaker 16: had no idea that was what was going to eventually.

916
00:44:20,507 --> 00:44:21,587
Speaker 16: It was a lovely surprise.

917
00:44:22,067 --> 00:44:23,667
Speaker 11: Obviously. It's incredible honor.

918
00:44:25,147 --> 00:44:28,347
Speaker 16: And a great chance to reminisce on some great memories

919
00:44:28,387 --> 00:44:31,627
Speaker 16: once again and remember all the awesome people.

920
00:44:31,707 --> 00:44:33,427
Speaker 11: That were along that journey with me.

921
00:44:34,387 --> 00:44:36,347
Speaker 16: It feels like I've been retired for for a long

922
00:44:36,387 --> 00:44:39,067
Speaker 16: time now, but it's only a couple of years removed,

923
00:44:39,187 --> 00:44:42,547
Speaker 16: and certainly there's some times where where I miss being

924
00:44:42,547 --> 00:44:44,867
Speaker 16: out there, but for the most part, happily retired being

925
00:44:44,867 --> 00:44:47,307
Speaker 16: a fan and nice to be able to now look

926
00:44:47,347 --> 00:44:49,547
Speaker 16: back on the good times and celebrate once again.

927
00:44:49,667 --> 00:44:51,987
Speaker 2: Wonderful stuff. We're talking about reminiscing. How much do you

928
00:44:52,027 --> 00:44:55,787
Speaker 2: remember about game one in that number ten single it.

929
00:44:57,787 --> 00:45:00,867
Speaker 16: I do actually remember Game one pretty well. I can't

930
00:45:00,867 --> 00:45:04,507
Speaker 16: remember who we were playing, but I do know that

931
00:45:04,987 --> 00:45:08,507
Speaker 16: Andre Lamanez subbed me in late in the game. We

932
00:45:08,627 --> 00:45:11,787
Speaker 16: were blowing someone out, so the youngster got a few minutes.

933
00:45:11,827 --> 00:45:14,827
Speaker 16: I was a development player with the Breakers that year,

934
00:45:14,907 --> 00:45:18,787
Speaker 16: and we ran a little stagger stagger play for me

935
00:45:18,827 --> 00:45:20,667
Speaker 16: as soon as I came in the game, and I

936
00:45:20,747 --> 00:45:23,387
Speaker 16: came screaming off a couple of turnouts and knocked down

937
00:45:23,547 --> 00:45:26,627
Speaker 16: a corner three ball and that was my first bucket

938
00:45:26,747 --> 00:45:28,507
Speaker 16: in the NBL. And then I think next time down

939
00:45:28,547 --> 00:45:30,227
Speaker 16: the court we ran a little alley oop player, and

940
00:45:30,267 --> 00:45:32,787
Speaker 16: I killed around and caught an elloop and put it in.

941
00:45:32,867 --> 00:45:35,947
Speaker 16: So pretty good fitting way to start off the career.

942
00:45:35,987 --> 00:45:38,507
Speaker 16: There would be a lot more threes and olle ooops

943
00:45:38,547 --> 00:45:41,307
Speaker 16: along the way, so nice to start off with a

944
00:45:41,307 --> 00:45:42,387
Speaker 16: couple of them in the first game.

945
00:45:42,467 --> 00:45:44,587
Speaker 2: That must have been awesome to watch that free drop

946
00:45:44,707 --> 00:45:47,067
Speaker 2: with your first shot. I mean, that's magnificent you must

947
00:45:47,067 --> 00:45:48,867
Speaker 2: have as you put the shot up. I mean, I

948
00:45:48,907 --> 00:45:51,147
Speaker 2: know what basketball is like. You know, you know more

949
00:45:51,187 --> 00:45:52,987
Speaker 2: than half the time they don't go in. You know,

950
00:45:53,867 --> 00:45:55,347
Speaker 2: how did you feel when it dropped through?

951
00:45:55,867 --> 00:45:56,067
Speaker 9: Yeah?

952
00:45:56,067 --> 00:45:57,987
Speaker 16: I was certainly at that stage of my career, and

953
00:45:58,067 --> 00:46:02,107
Speaker 16: at my age, I was hoping more than knowing it

954
00:46:02,147 --> 00:46:05,907
Speaker 16: was going to go in, and oh gosh, you hope

955
00:46:05,867 --> 00:46:08,307
Speaker 16: and infest things enough and good things happened.

956
00:46:08,387 --> 00:46:09,667
Speaker 11: So luckily it went down.

957
00:46:09,747 --> 00:46:12,467
Speaker 16: Gave me a little confidence boost and settled the nerves

958
00:46:12,467 --> 00:46:15,267
Speaker 16: a little bit, and she was all off to the

959
00:46:15,347 --> 00:46:16,027
Speaker 16: races from there.

960
00:46:16,227 --> 00:46:19,467
Speaker 2: Did you feel comfortable straight away in the A and

961
00:46:19,507 --> 00:46:21,747
Speaker 2: BL or did that take a little bit of time.

962
00:46:23,147 --> 00:46:25,667
Speaker 16: To be honest, I did. I spent a couple of

963
00:46:25,707 --> 00:46:28,147
Speaker 16: years over in college before that. Washington State didn't have

964
00:46:28,147 --> 00:46:31,107
Speaker 16: a great time and never felt comfortable over there in

965
00:46:31,147 --> 00:46:33,827
Speaker 16: that environment. But there's something about coming back home, playing

966
00:46:33,867 --> 00:46:40,507
Speaker 16: in my hometown, being coached by Andre and being mentored

967
00:46:40,547 --> 00:46:43,587
Speaker 16: I guess by the likes of Paul Henarde and Dylan

968
00:46:43,627 --> 00:46:46,747
Speaker 16: Boucher and CJ. Bruden, these guys who looked up to

969
00:46:47,747 --> 00:46:50,387
Speaker 16: as a youngster who are now my teammates. Just had

970
00:46:50,387 --> 00:46:53,347
Speaker 16: a real good comfort level in my surroundings there and

971
00:46:53,667 --> 00:46:56,267
Speaker 16: could feel myself getting better and better every day and practice.

972
00:46:56,347 --> 00:46:58,907
Speaker 16: So when I did step on the on the court,

973
00:46:58,947 --> 00:46:59,947
Speaker 16: I did feel confident.

974
00:47:00,947 --> 00:47:02,147
Speaker 11: You know, I knew I had some.

975
00:47:03,867 --> 00:47:08,747
Speaker 16: Skills there, especially athletically, where I could compete and be

976
00:47:08,747 --> 00:47:12,747
Speaker 16: better than a lot of my competitors straight away. So

977
00:47:12,787 --> 00:47:15,187
Speaker 16: it gave me a pretty good leg up. And as

978
00:47:15,227 --> 00:47:17,267
Speaker 16: I said, you know, once you are able to knock

979
00:47:17,267 --> 00:47:19,547
Speaker 16: a couple of shots down, confidence a wonderful thing. And

980
00:47:19,627 --> 00:47:21,987
Speaker 16: I was able to hit the ball running, which is

981
00:47:22,027 --> 00:47:23,187
Speaker 16: really good for the rest of my career.

982
00:47:23,667 --> 00:47:27,427
Speaker 2: Does any particular season stand out above the others?

983
00:47:29,667 --> 00:47:30,187
Speaker 6: Oh?

984
00:47:30,307 --> 00:47:32,787
Speaker 16: I mean, as part of the joys of sport tilor

985
00:47:32,867 --> 00:47:36,627
Speaker 16: Every season is a different journey and you have different experiences,

986
00:47:37,827 --> 00:47:41,707
Speaker 16: different teammates, so it's hard to pick out one in particular.

987
00:47:41,827 --> 00:47:44,947
Speaker 16: But I think certainly that that first year we won

988
00:47:44,987 --> 00:47:47,587
Speaker 16: the first championship was a real, real special one. We

989
00:47:47,587 --> 00:47:49,987
Speaker 16: were the first New Zealand team to win an Australasian

990
00:47:50,467 --> 00:47:53,347
Speaker 16: competition and we'd come really close the year before too.

991
00:47:53,867 --> 00:47:56,547
Speaker 16: We bought Kevin braswell and late in the season won

992
00:47:56,627 --> 00:47:59,307
Speaker 16: our last six games in a row and unfortunately just

993
00:47:59,347 --> 00:48:03,307
Speaker 16: missed out in the playoffs and in a countback, and

994
00:48:03,347 --> 00:48:04,987
Speaker 16: we were really confident, you know, if we'd been able

995
00:48:04,987 --> 00:48:06,587
Speaker 16: to make it, we could have gone all the way

996
00:48:06,587 --> 00:48:09,387
Speaker 16: that year. But basically brought back the same group the

997
00:48:09,467 --> 00:48:12,947
Speaker 16: year after that and absolutely blitzed the table and went

998
00:48:12,987 --> 00:48:15,987
Speaker 16: through and just had an awesome year with a great

999
00:48:15,987 --> 00:48:19,187
Speaker 16: group of people, played some really good basketball and then

1000
00:48:19,307 --> 00:48:22,947
Speaker 16: had you know, the start of that epic rivalry with

1001
00:48:23,707 --> 00:48:27,627
Speaker 16: Perth and Ken's. In the playoff series there were able

1002
00:48:27,667 --> 00:48:30,427
Speaker 16: to get over the top and I believe we beat

1003
00:48:30,507 --> 00:48:32,867
Speaker 16: Ken's in the final that year at the North for

1004
00:48:32,947 --> 00:48:35,027
Speaker 16: Events ended when the first one, which is pretty special,

1005
00:48:35,067 --> 00:48:37,467
Speaker 16: we had a parade up Queen Street where I was

1006
00:48:37,507 --> 00:48:39,147
Speaker 16: convinced no one was going to be there, but we

1007
00:48:39,187 --> 00:48:42,067
Speaker 16: had a really good turnout and that was really cool.

1008
00:48:42,107 --> 00:48:45,107
Speaker 16: My one and only parade, so lots of good memories

1009
00:48:45,107 --> 00:48:45,947
Speaker 16: from that year, for sure.

1010
00:48:46,987 --> 00:48:52,427
Speaker 2: Can you pinpoint when you personally were playing your best basketball?

1011
00:48:54,107 --> 00:48:56,387
Speaker 11: No, probably not. I think.

1012
00:48:58,107 --> 00:49:01,267
Speaker 16: I was always a really good athlete in my youth

1013
00:49:01,307 --> 00:49:04,587
Speaker 16: all throughout my career, but especially when I was young.

1014
00:49:04,627 --> 00:49:07,907
Speaker 16: I think I really relied on athleticism. It's able to

1015
00:49:08,547 --> 00:49:10,147
Speaker 16: you know, you're able to make up for a lot

1016
00:49:10,987 --> 00:49:13,827
Speaker 16: just by being quick and being able to jump high.

1017
00:49:13,907 --> 00:49:16,027
Speaker 16: So I use that to my advantage. I think, you know,

1018
00:49:16,107 --> 00:49:19,467
Speaker 16: later on in my career became a more well rounded player.

1019
00:49:20,907 --> 00:49:24,827
Speaker 16: Certainly my first first year when we had Dan Shamier

1020
00:49:24,867 --> 00:49:27,467
Speaker 16: as the head coach, I think was probably my most

1021
00:49:28,107 --> 00:49:31,267
Speaker 16: balanced and well rounded season. I shot fifty to forty

1022
00:49:31,347 --> 00:49:34,107
Speaker 16: ninety that year, which was only the second player in

1023
00:49:34,147 --> 00:49:36,107
Speaker 16: the history of the league to do that, which is

1024
00:49:36,147 --> 00:49:38,747
Speaker 16: fifty percent from the field, forty percent of the free

1025
00:49:38,787 --> 00:49:40,787
Speaker 16: throw line, in ninety percent from the free throw line.

1026
00:49:41,307 --> 00:49:43,907
Speaker 16: So that was a really cool little achievement and probably

1027
00:49:43,907 --> 00:49:46,827
Speaker 16: my most consistent season. But I think some of those

1028
00:49:46,867 --> 00:49:49,307
Speaker 16: early ones, when I was a bit younger and flying

1029
00:49:49,347 --> 00:49:51,707
Speaker 16: around the court and just jumping a little bit higher,

1030
00:49:52,027 --> 00:49:55,187
Speaker 16: certainly felt like I was probably more at my athletic peak.

1031
00:49:55,267 --> 00:49:57,707
Speaker 16: But you know, things come at different stages throughout your career.

1032
00:49:57,707 --> 00:49:59,587
Speaker 16: You've got to learn to adapt and evolve, and I

1033
00:49:59,627 --> 00:50:01,147
Speaker 16: think I did a pretty good job of that as

1034
00:50:01,187 --> 00:50:04,147
Speaker 16: I went along my career, a little bit slower as

1035
00:50:04,187 --> 00:50:06,187
Speaker 16: I got a little bit older, but you know, the leadership,

1036
00:50:06,467 --> 00:50:08,667
Speaker 16: shooting and things, that sort of stuff picks up.

1037
00:50:09,107 --> 00:50:11,307
Speaker 2: How did you know it was time to retire?

1038
00:50:14,507 --> 00:50:17,747
Speaker 16: I probably just wasn't enjoying the game as much as.

1039
00:50:17,627 --> 00:50:19,027
Speaker 11: I had previously.

1040
00:50:20,427 --> 00:50:23,747
Speaker 16: I don't think anyone really knows exactly the right time

1041
00:50:23,787 --> 00:50:26,067
Speaker 16: to do it, but in hindsight, you get a pretty

1042
00:50:26,067 --> 00:50:28,787
Speaker 16: good idea and the fact that I haven't really missed

1043
00:50:29,227 --> 00:50:31,787
Speaker 16: being out in the court court since I have retired.

1044
00:50:31,787 --> 00:50:33,307
Speaker 16: I think I've picked up a ball about four or

1045
00:50:33,307 --> 00:50:35,227
Speaker 16: five times in the last couple of years since I've

1046
00:50:35,547 --> 00:50:37,867
Speaker 16: hung up the boots, and I have no regrets. So

1047
00:50:38,427 --> 00:50:40,707
Speaker 16: it tells me that I did make the right decision

1048
00:50:40,707 --> 00:50:42,507
Speaker 16: at the right time, and I was very lucky I

1049
00:50:42,587 --> 00:50:45,507
Speaker 16: got to call it quits when I wanted to. Wasn't

1050
00:50:45,547 --> 00:50:49,947
Speaker 16: forced into it by you know, my powers fading or

1051
00:50:50,307 --> 00:50:52,507
Speaker 16: injuries or anything like that. I just felt like it

1052
00:50:52,627 --> 00:50:55,587
Speaker 16: was the right time. I'd achieved all I'd wanted to

1053
00:50:55,587 --> 00:50:58,947
Speaker 16: do in the sports and felt like I was leaving

1054
00:50:58,987 --> 00:51:01,667
Speaker 16: in a good place. So very comfortable with that decision

1055
00:51:01,787 --> 00:51:04,107
Speaker 16: and happy just being a fan now and watching the boys.

1056
00:51:04,147 --> 00:51:08,387
Speaker 16: It's a different perspective sitting back and watching. You know,

1057
00:51:08,387 --> 00:51:10,787
Speaker 16: when you're playing the game and you're able to control things,

1058
00:51:10,787 --> 00:51:15,507
Speaker 16: you don't feel I guess the nervousness as much as

1059
00:51:15,507 --> 00:51:17,627
Speaker 16: you do as a fan, and you're riding every emotion

1060
00:51:17,707 --> 00:51:20,027
Speaker 16: as a fan, and just those ups and downs in

1061
00:51:20,067 --> 00:51:23,787
Speaker 16: the game, you feel it a lot more so. Apologies

1062
00:51:23,827 --> 00:51:26,467
Speaker 16: to all the fans who rode that wave with me

1063
00:51:26,587 --> 00:51:28,747
Speaker 16: for such a long time, But I'm right there with

1064
00:51:28,787 --> 00:51:29,227
Speaker 16: you now.

1065
00:51:29,867 --> 00:51:31,827
Speaker 2: And you're part of the Breaker's ownership group right too,

1066
00:51:31,867 --> 00:51:33,827
Speaker 2: so now as well. So what is your current day

1067
00:51:33,827 --> 00:51:34,987
Speaker 2: to day involvement with the club.

1068
00:51:36,267 --> 00:51:38,747
Speaker 16: I don't have a lot of day to day involvement.

1069
00:51:38,747 --> 00:51:40,387
Speaker 16: I'm involved in the ownership group and I'm sort of

1070
00:51:40,387 --> 00:51:45,067
Speaker 16: there as a mentor to whoever needs me. But I'm

1071
00:51:45,107 --> 00:51:48,507
Speaker 16: working full time in the corporate realm now with Craig's

1072
00:51:48,787 --> 00:51:50,987
Speaker 16: Investment Partners as and advisor. Been in that since the

1073
00:51:50,987 --> 00:51:52,947
Speaker 16: start of this year and really enjoying the challenge of

1074
00:51:53,587 --> 00:51:56,467
Speaker 16: doing something different. I really know what I wanted to

1075
00:51:56,467 --> 00:51:59,027
Speaker 16: do when I retired. I just knew that I wanted

1076
00:51:59,027 --> 00:52:01,587
Speaker 16: to get away from sports and basketball for a little

1077
00:52:01,587 --> 00:52:04,347
Speaker 16: bit and challenge myself in something different, And certainly this

1078
00:52:04,427 --> 00:52:06,587
Speaker 16: new role is ticking all of those boxes. And I

1079
00:52:06,627 --> 00:52:09,227
Speaker 16: still get to be part of the breakers and look

1080
00:52:09,267 --> 00:52:10,987
Speaker 16: at things from a different lens as part of that

1081
00:52:11,067 --> 00:52:14,507
Speaker 16: ownership group, and be a part of the ride alongside

1082
00:52:14,547 --> 00:52:17,227
Speaker 16: the boys as well. So really enjoying where I've got

1083
00:52:17,227 --> 00:52:21,147
Speaker 16: to now in a professional space. It took a while,

1084
00:52:21,147 --> 00:52:24,507
Speaker 16: it was hard transitioning out of sport, but very lucky

1085
00:52:24,507 --> 00:52:25,987
Speaker 16: with where I'm at at the moment.

1086
00:52:26,107 --> 00:52:28,267
Speaker 2: Good Man, So when does the singlet get hoisted up

1087
00:52:28,307 --> 00:52:31,227
Speaker 2: into the rafters? Is that a special ceremony at some point?

1088
00:52:31,947 --> 00:52:32,147
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1089
00:52:32,227 --> 00:52:34,627
Speaker 16: Yeah, No, we will have a bit of a ceremony

1090
00:52:34,627 --> 00:52:36,667
Speaker 16: at one of the games. I'm not sure exactly which one.

1091
00:52:36,667 --> 00:52:38,187
Speaker 16: I think we're targeting one of the ones sort of

1092
00:52:38,267 --> 00:52:40,907
Speaker 16: later in January, but I'm sure there'll be some colms

1093
00:52:40,907 --> 00:52:43,827
Speaker 16: from the club when we have circled the exact date

1094
00:52:43,867 --> 00:52:46,107
Speaker 16: and game that that's going to be done, and hopefully

1095
00:52:46,107 --> 00:52:48,867
Speaker 16: we can get a good crowd along there and celebrate

1096
00:52:49,147 --> 00:52:52,507
Speaker 16: on the night. It'd be good to hopefully catch up

1097
00:52:52,547 --> 00:52:54,747
Speaker 16: with a few old teammates and people.

1098
00:52:54,467 --> 00:52:56,467
Speaker 11: Who have been there along the journey.

1099
00:52:56,867 --> 00:52:59,227
Speaker 16: Lots of family will be there, they've been a big

1100
00:52:59,267 --> 00:53:01,907
Speaker 16: part of that journey as well as well as all

1101
00:53:01,947 --> 00:53:05,867
Speaker 16: the Breakers family, the fans, and the sponsors and previous

1102
00:53:05,867 --> 00:53:09,267
Speaker 16: ownership groups, the Blackwells, you know, the list can go on.

1103
00:53:09,427 --> 00:53:11,747
Speaker 16: There's so many people who've been part of them by

1104
00:53:11,787 --> 00:53:13,187
Speaker 16: Jenny for such a long time, so it would be

1105
00:53:13,227 --> 00:53:16,267
Speaker 16: really cool to get together with all of them and

1106
00:53:16,347 --> 00:53:19,787
Speaker 16: celebrate sometimes. So watch the space to be happening sometime

1107
00:53:20,467 --> 00:53:23,067
Speaker 16: obviously this season, hopefully the end of Jen and it'll

1108
00:53:23,107 --> 00:53:23,627
Speaker 16: be a great.

1109
00:53:23,507 --> 00:53:25,587
Speaker 2: Night, no doubt, no doubt, look forward to that. Tom,

1110
00:53:25,627 --> 00:53:29,707
Speaker 2: congrats on joining Paul Hannaday, CJ Bruton, Dilan Boucher, three

1111
00:53:29,747 --> 00:53:32,347
Speaker 2: year former teammates up in the rafters their congratulations mate,

1112
00:53:32,347 --> 00:53:33,587
Speaker 2: thanks for chatting as always.

1113
00:53:33,947 --> 00:53:35,547
Speaker 11: Awesome Thanks Bonnie, No, thank.

1114
00:53:35,387 --> 00:53:39,507
Speaker 2: You, Thomas Abercrombie. There the iconic number ten singlet to

1115
00:53:39,547 --> 00:53:42,347
Speaker 2: be retired as you Thomas mentioned there sometime in January.

1116
00:53:42,387 --> 00:53:44,267
Speaker 2: Keep an air out and an eye out break his

1117
00:53:44,347 --> 00:53:46,907
Speaker 2: fans for when that'll be said to be a very

1118
00:53:46,947 --> 00:53:50,627
Speaker 2: special night there when the single that has retired four

1119
00:53:50,747 --> 00:53:55,187
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty nine games across sixteen seasons for Thomas

1120
00:53:55,187 --> 00:53:58,347
Speaker 2: am mc crombie. If anybody deserves to have their number retired,

1121
00:53:58,507 --> 00:54:02,707
Speaker 2: it is that gentleman. Last night, the Breakers snapped a

1122
00:54:02,747 --> 00:54:06,027
Speaker 2: three game losing streak. Incidentally, they were starting to just

1123
00:54:06,027 --> 00:54:10,107
Speaker 2: stumble ever so slightly after an uplifting form an eighty

1124
00:54:10,187 --> 00:54:15,587
Speaker 2: one to eighty overtime win over the Tasmania jack Jumpers.

1125
00:54:16,427 --> 00:54:20,907
Speaker 3: Got name for it in makes it a one point

1126
00:54:20,947 --> 00:54:24,907
Speaker 3: game and the New Zealand Breakers will come away with

1127
00:54:25,067 --> 00:54:27,347
Speaker 3: a critical victory to the season.

1128
00:54:27,747 --> 00:54:32,347
Speaker 2: It was pretty critical, his coach, but Terry Copenan afterwards,

1129
00:54:33,587 --> 00:54:36,707
Speaker 2: a mixture of pride and relief for the head coach.

1130
00:54:36,787 --> 00:54:39,787
Speaker 18: We talk about a lot playing with character, with energy,

1131
00:54:39,827 --> 00:54:42,707
Speaker 18: and that's exactly what that game was. And I'm really

1132
00:54:42,787 --> 00:54:44,987
Speaker 18: proud of them how they showed up and bounced back

1133
00:54:45,027 --> 00:54:48,907
Speaker 18: after the few difficult games and does have to be

1134
00:54:48,947 --> 00:54:51,027
Speaker 18: the standard every time we step on the court.

1135
00:54:51,267 --> 00:54:54,427
Speaker 2: But Terry Copenhan also says their willingness to compete was

1136
00:54:54,467 --> 00:54:57,947
Speaker 2: the catalyst for the win and a lift and energy

1137
00:54:58,467 --> 00:54:59,467
Speaker 2: made a lot of difference.

1138
00:54:59,547 --> 00:55:01,427
Speaker 18: Listen, all of these pretty we couldn't make some shots.

1139
00:55:01,467 --> 00:55:03,147
Speaker 18: We couldn't get to the free throw line. But we

1140
00:55:03,227 --> 00:55:07,067
Speaker 18: get fighting. We didn't fold on those difficult moments. Everybody

1141
00:55:07,067 --> 00:55:09,587
Speaker 18: who went on the court played with energy. The guys

1142
00:55:09,707 --> 00:55:11,907
Speaker 18: put together and that's what I'm really proud of.

1143
00:55:12,347 --> 00:55:16,027
Speaker 2: And as often happens when the Breakers win, Parker Jackson

1144
00:55:16,107 --> 00:55:19,227
Speaker 2: Cartwright was a big part of it. The import point

1145
00:55:19,227 --> 00:55:21,507
Speaker 2: guard got the basket that helped the Breakers force over

1146
00:55:21,587 --> 00:55:25,387
Speaker 2: time and then six quick points to start the overtime period.

1147
00:55:25,907 --> 00:55:28,387
Speaker 2: He says he knows there are times when he just

1148
00:55:28,467 --> 00:55:29,987
Speaker 2: has to put the team on his shoulders.

1149
00:55:30,267 --> 00:55:32,867
Speaker 19: That doesn't always mean I have to, you know, impose

1150
00:55:32,947 --> 00:55:35,507
Speaker 19: on scoring, but just making things happen.

1151
00:55:35,627 --> 00:55:36,547
Speaker 11: I think I.

1152
00:55:36,667 --> 00:55:38,067
Speaker 19: Kind of just feel how the game's going on and

1153
00:55:38,187 --> 00:55:40,467
Speaker 19: force it. If I can take it for myself, I

1154
00:55:40,507 --> 00:55:40,947
Speaker 19: will so.

1155
00:55:41,307 --> 00:55:43,267
Speaker 2: And he also says they knew they needed to bring

1156
00:55:43,307 --> 00:55:45,387
Speaker 2: their best against the jack Jumpers, who were the twenty

1157
00:55:45,467 --> 00:55:46,507
Speaker 2: twenty four champions.

1158
00:55:46,507 --> 00:55:50,227
Speaker 19: They're champions, they're high level, very well coached, and when

1159
00:55:50,267 --> 00:55:52,787
Speaker 19: you come to play them away or home, you got

1160
00:55:52,787 --> 00:55:54,387
Speaker 19: to take their best shot because they're going to give

1161
00:55:54,387 --> 00:55:56,147
Speaker 19: it to you. But again, you know, we've had some

1162
00:55:56,187 --> 00:55:58,987
Speaker 19: good battles with them, and it's always fun playing against them.

1163
00:55:59,067 --> 00:56:01,747
Speaker 2: So pretty important when for the break is there last night'

1164
00:56:01,747 --> 00:56:03,467
Speaker 2: a little bit of a break. Now they don't play again.

1165
00:56:03,467 --> 00:56:05,587
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna check my factor right here. They don't

1166
00:56:05,587 --> 00:56:10,307
Speaker 2: play again untill the fourth of January, which is next Sunday,

1167
00:56:10,307 --> 00:56:12,587
Speaker 2: so an eight day break and then they'll welcome the

1168
00:56:12,627 --> 00:56:15,867
Speaker 2: Perth Wildcats to Spark Arena. So went onto the breakers

1169
00:56:16,227 --> 00:56:19,707
Speaker 2: on their win last night, updating you on Live Cricket.

1170
00:56:19,707 --> 00:56:23,147
Speaker 2: First of all at the MCG where England have claimed

1171
00:56:23,187 --> 00:56:26,187
Speaker 2: their second wicket. They've picked up the wicket of opener

1172
00:56:26,587 --> 00:56:28,747
Speaker 2: Jake weatheraald or though he came in at number three

1173
00:56:28,747 --> 00:56:31,987
Speaker 2: in this innings after Scott Bowland, the night Watchman opened

1174
00:56:32,187 --> 00:56:35,707
Speaker 2: Jake weatherold out bowled by Ben Stokes for five. It's

1175
00:56:35,747 --> 00:56:39,027
Speaker 2: been a pretty average series for Jake weatheralt not twenty

1176
00:56:39,067 --> 00:56:41,787
Speaker 2: three seventy two in Brisbane and seventeen not out then

1177
00:56:41,867 --> 00:56:46,547
Speaker 2: eighteen one, ten and five one hundred and forty six runs, sorry,

1178
00:56:46,507 --> 00:56:48,787
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty six runs, one hundred and forty

1179
00:56:48,827 --> 00:56:51,347
Speaker 2: six I'll get my maths right. One hundred and forty

1180
00:56:51,347 --> 00:56:56,147
Speaker 2: six runs across those those eight innings. So yeah, I'm

1181
00:56:56,187 --> 00:57:00,147
Speaker 2: wondering about his position perhaps for the fifth Test in Sydney.

1182
00:57:00,867 --> 00:57:03,467
Speaker 2: Marnus Labashane has come out to join Travis head. Head's

1183
00:57:03,467 --> 00:57:07,027
Speaker 2: going along nicely twenty six not out Barba Shane unbeaten

1184
00:57:07,107 --> 00:57:10,867
Speaker 2: on one, Australia forty two for two now leading by

1185
00:57:10,947 --> 00:57:13,907
Speaker 2: eighty four and in the Super Smash the Central Hines

1186
00:57:13,907 --> 00:57:15,667
Speaker 2: have picked up their first wik at merely Kurra is

1187
00:57:15,667 --> 00:57:18,627
Speaker 2: out for a run of ball thirty four. The Wellington

1188
00:57:18,667 --> 00:57:21,427
Speaker 2: Blaze seventy eight for one in the eleventh over, with

1189
00:57:21,507 --> 00:57:24,667
Speaker 2: Rebecca Burns coming out to join Georgia Plimmer, who's currently

1190
00:57:24,667 --> 00:57:29,227
Speaker 2: thirty seven off twenty six deliveries including six boundaries. We're

1191
00:57:29,267 --> 00:57:30,707
Speaker 2: going to take a break when we come back, we'll

1192
00:57:30,707 --> 00:57:31,827
Speaker 2: flick across to football.

1193
00:57:31,867 --> 00:57:32,027
Speaker 7: Now.

1194
00:57:32,027 --> 00:57:34,987
Speaker 2: All things being equal, we would have been looking forward

1195
00:57:35,027 --> 00:57:37,507
Speaker 2: to a top of the table a league men's clash

1196
00:57:37,587 --> 00:57:41,147
Speaker 2: tonight with Auckland FC up against Sydney FC. Unfortunately that's

1197
00:57:41,187 --> 00:57:43,347
Speaker 2: not going to happen because a week or so ago

1198
00:57:43,707 --> 00:57:47,107
Speaker 2: it was deemed that the like Art Oval pitch was unplayable.

1199
00:57:47,547 --> 00:57:50,027
Speaker 2: They can't play a game there. The pitch isn't up

1200
00:57:50,027 --> 00:57:52,987
Speaker 2: to standard. So instead of traveling over there on Christmas Day,

1201
00:57:52,987 --> 00:57:55,107
Speaker 2: at least the Auckland FC players and staff got the

1202
00:57:55,187 --> 00:57:57,667
Speaker 2: chance to spend Christmas with their families. I'm sure they

1203
00:57:57,667 --> 00:57:59,427
Speaker 2: would have enjoyed a game of football tonight, but that's

1204
00:57:59,467 --> 00:58:02,147
Speaker 2: not to be. Sam Cosgrove, their import striker, going to

1205
00:58:02,227 --> 00:58:03,507
Speaker 2: join us for a chat right after this.

1206
00:58:04,027 --> 00:58:09,187
Speaker 1: Don't get caught offside eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Paine

1207
00:58:09,427 --> 00:58:13,947
Speaker 1: and GJ. Guvnerhoves New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talks.

1208
00:58:13,787 --> 00:58:18,987
Speaker 2: MB News TALKSB one twenty eight. Auckland FC were scheduled

1209
00:58:18,987 --> 00:58:21,107
Speaker 2: to be playing a top of the table A League

1210
00:58:21,107 --> 00:58:26,467
Speaker 2: men's clash tonight against Sydney FC. Unfortunately, the Leichhart Oval

1211
00:58:26,667 --> 00:58:30,627
Speaker 2: pitch has failed an inspection, so the game's been postponed.

1212
00:58:30,707 --> 00:58:33,307
Speaker 2: A new date for it is yet to be confirmed.

1213
00:58:33,667 --> 00:58:36,427
Speaker 2: What that means is that Auckland's next match is now

1214
00:58:36,547 --> 00:58:40,587
Speaker 2: against the Newcastle Jets at Mount Smart on New Year's Day.

1215
00:58:41,027 --> 00:58:44,027
Speaker 2: Leading the line for Auckland FC this season has been

1216
00:58:44,067 --> 00:58:47,027
Speaker 2: their new import English striker Sam Cosgrove.

1217
00:58:49,987 --> 00:58:52,507
Speaker 3: Hannah from Cosgrove, we have spoken about him.

1218
00:58:52,747 --> 00:58:55,107
Speaker 2: That is out of absolutely nothing.

1219
00:58:55,587 --> 00:58:57,347
Speaker 4: Who goes to the edge of the fox.

1220
00:58:57,387 --> 00:59:01,427
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful delivery and the danger of Sam Cosgrove

1221
00:59:02,027 --> 00:59:05,187
Speaker 2: just pops up once again. He's virtually unmarked on that

1222
00:59:05,307 --> 00:59:08,307
Speaker 2: six yard Folexandrew Redminds stopped him a couple of times.

1223
00:59:08,667 --> 00:59:11,147
Speaker 9: But what I hit of that is after a great delivery,

1224
00:59:11,227 --> 00:59:13,907
Speaker 9: same codscrive gets the sport of the season.

1225
00:59:13,787 --> 00:59:17,467
Speaker 2: An open late too, Sam Cosgrove joins us on Weekend Sport.

1226
00:59:17,467 --> 00:59:20,787
Speaker 2: Thanks for your time, Sam, two away wins in your

1227
00:59:20,827 --> 00:59:23,307
Speaker 2: last two games. So how happy do you think the

1228
00:59:23,347 --> 00:59:26,907
Speaker 2: coaching staff were with with your performances over the last

1229
00:59:26,947 --> 00:59:27,627
Speaker 2: couple of mates.

1230
00:59:29,187 --> 00:59:33,107
Speaker 20: I'm not too sure about my individual performances. Obviously, a

1231
00:59:33,147 --> 00:59:35,947
Speaker 20: goal and assists and an assist is kind of what

1232
00:59:35,987 --> 00:59:37,707
Speaker 20: I'm here to do. But you know, I think that

1233
00:59:37,987 --> 00:59:42,387
Speaker 20: as a collective, that's kind of what we're more more

1234
00:59:42,467 --> 00:59:45,667
Speaker 20: concerned about, you know, the emphasis and how we're starting games,

1235
00:59:45,747 --> 00:59:48,667
Speaker 20: how we're continuing games, and how we're finishing games. And

1236
00:59:48,667 --> 00:59:51,067
Speaker 20: I think over the course of one hundred and eighty

1237
00:59:51,107 --> 00:59:53,747
Speaker 20: minutes plus, I think the manager will be happy. And

1238
00:59:54,267 --> 00:59:57,027
Speaker 20: as as players, we've been, we've been pleased with the

1239
00:59:57,027 --> 00:59:59,867
Speaker 20: way the way we've been going and the performances we're

1240
00:59:59,867 --> 01:00:03,547
Speaker 20: putting in. So yeah, definitely that the mood is the

1241
01:00:03,547 --> 01:00:04,867
Speaker 20: mood is good in camp right now.

1242
01:00:05,307 --> 01:00:08,947
Speaker 2: It was over forty degrees during the day there in

1243
01:00:09,027 --> 01:00:11,867
Speaker 2: Sydney last Friday, I think still thirty or so. It'd

1244
01:00:11,947 --> 01:00:14,947
Speaker 2: kickoff in your game against Western Sydney. How are you

1245
01:00:14,987 --> 01:00:18,387
Speaker 2: personally dealing with the physical demands of playing football in

1246
01:00:18,427 --> 01:00:20,467
Speaker 2: the summer having been used to playing it in the

1247
01:00:20,507 --> 01:00:22,907
Speaker 2: winter for so many seasons.

1248
01:00:23,027 --> 01:00:26,427
Speaker 20: It's been tough, mate, I won't lie. It's definitely something

1249
01:00:26,427 --> 01:00:29,547
Speaker 20: that's new for me. I mean, obviously back home, I've

1250
01:00:29,587 --> 01:00:33,347
Speaker 20: only really ever played consistently in England and Scotland and

1251
01:00:33,387 --> 01:00:36,747
Speaker 20: you get maybe three or four weeks a year that

1252
01:00:37,587 --> 01:00:40,907
Speaker 20: get over twenty degrees. So yeah, walking around Sydney on

1253
01:00:40,987 --> 01:00:45,147
Speaker 20: our kind of pre match walking forty two degree blasting

1254
01:00:45,227 --> 01:00:48,627
Speaker 20: heat was interesting. And then it didn't really feel like

1255
01:00:48,667 --> 01:00:50,707
Speaker 20: it cooled down too much. It was almost as if

1256
01:00:50,947 --> 01:00:55,347
Speaker 20: the dry heat stopped and the humidity ramped up. So yeah,

1257
01:00:55,627 --> 01:00:57,627
Speaker 20: I'll be honest, it was tough and it's something that

1258
01:00:57,947 --> 01:00:59,747
Speaker 20: I'm going to have to get used to very quickly

1259
01:00:59,827 --> 01:01:03,427
Speaker 20: coming into the summer in the Southern Hemisphere. But listen,

1260
01:01:03,507 --> 01:01:06,227
Speaker 20: it's part and pastorals coming here. I knew this was

1261
01:01:06,387 --> 01:01:08,867
Speaker 20: to be the case when I came over, so I'm

1262
01:01:08,907 --> 01:01:11,507
Speaker 20: adapting well, but it's going to take it will take

1263
01:01:11,507 --> 01:01:13,067
Speaker 20: probably a wee better time to get used to.

1264
01:01:13,147 --> 01:01:15,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the other thing that that will be

1265
01:01:15,187 --> 01:01:17,267
Speaker 2: a little bit different for you is the travel. Of

1266
01:01:17,307 --> 01:01:19,107
Speaker 2: course you travel in the UK, but it would be

1267
01:01:19,147 --> 01:01:22,507
Speaker 2: mainly bus travel, wouldn't it. How have you found the

1268
01:01:22,587 --> 01:01:25,707
Speaker 2: train's Tasman air travel so far?

1269
01:01:25,827 --> 01:01:27,347
Speaker 8: I've enjoyed it too, honest mate.

1270
01:01:27,387 --> 01:01:29,867
Speaker 20: The you know, the back and forth through the airport,

1271
01:01:29,907 --> 01:01:33,347
Speaker 20: it's it's good and it's similar to the bus travel

1272
01:01:33,387 --> 01:01:36,747
Speaker 20: back home. I mean the flight across is about three

1273
01:01:36,787 --> 01:01:39,667
Speaker 20: hours then you get give or take an hour or

1274
01:01:39,667 --> 01:01:42,787
Speaker 20: two either side, so you know, I was regularly doing

1275
01:01:43,107 --> 01:01:46,427
Speaker 20: four or five six hour plus bus journeys back home

1276
01:01:46,427 --> 01:01:49,387
Speaker 20: in England, so it's not too dissimilar. But listen, as

1277
01:01:50,267 --> 01:01:51,987
Speaker 20: there was no excuse for the boys last year, so

1278
01:01:52,027 --> 01:01:54,187
Speaker 20: we absolutely won't be an excuse for us this year.

1279
01:01:54,227 --> 01:01:56,947
Speaker 20: We we can't feel sorry for ourselves at all with

1280
01:01:57,067 --> 01:02:00,427
Speaker 20: the travel or anything like that. And as you said,

1281
01:02:00,547 --> 01:02:03,587
Speaker 20: kind of, so far we've we've performed well away from home,

1282
01:02:03,667 --> 01:02:06,587
Speaker 20: so if we can pick up another another three points,

1283
01:02:06,627 --> 01:02:09,147
Speaker 20: it will have been an impressive and impressive throughout three

1284
01:02:09,227 --> 01:02:11,067
Speaker 20: away from home during this period.

1285
01:02:11,147 --> 01:02:14,307
Speaker 2: Before Auckland, you played most recently for Stockport County Online

1286
01:02:14,307 --> 01:02:17,987
Speaker 2: from Barnsley. How did the move to Auckland come about?

1287
01:02:21,147 --> 01:02:23,427
Speaker 8: The long story or the short story?

1288
01:02:23,587 --> 01:02:25,067
Speaker 2: Got plenty of time, We've got plenty.

1289
01:02:24,867 --> 01:02:28,507
Speaker 20: Of I'll keep it fairly short, but no, it was.

1290
01:02:28,987 --> 01:02:32,907
Speaker 20: It was something that came completely out of the blue. Obviously,

1291
01:02:32,947 --> 01:02:36,627
Speaker 20: I found myself kind of out of contract as a

1292
01:02:36,667 --> 01:02:40,667
Speaker 20: free agent, but it was relatively early days and I

1293
01:02:40,667 --> 01:02:44,267
Speaker 20: had plenty of options in England and up and down

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Speaker 20: the country, but there was nothing that really kind of.

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Speaker 8: Excited me at the time.

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Speaker 20: And it was just a call completely out of the

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Speaker 20: blue from my agent and he mentioned Auckland and my

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01:02:54,267 --> 01:02:56,867
Speaker 20: geography isn't too bad, I said to him, New Zealand,

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Speaker 20: isn't it? It was, I'll be honest, it's kind of

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01:03:01,027 --> 01:03:03,347
Speaker 20: The more that I looked into the club and the

1301
01:03:03,427 --> 01:03:05,827
Speaker 20: league and everything that had kind of gone on, the

1302
01:03:05,907 --> 01:03:09,507
Speaker 20: more it did excite me as a challenge. And as

1303
01:03:09,547 --> 01:03:13,747
Speaker 20: I said, I'd only ever played consistently within England and Scotland,

1304
01:03:13,787 --> 01:03:15,747
Speaker 20: and as if kind.

1305
01:03:15,547 --> 01:03:19,027
Speaker 8: Of my career had gone a wee bit stale.

1306
01:03:19,307 --> 01:03:22,387
Speaker 20: And I needed kind of something to bring a little

1307
01:03:22,387 --> 01:03:25,347
Speaker 20: bit more life into me and my footballing career, and

1308
01:03:25,387 --> 01:03:28,227
Speaker 20: this kind of seemed a perfect opportunity to go and

1309
01:03:28,267 --> 01:03:31,387
Speaker 20: do something different and experience something new, and so far

1310
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Speaker 20: I've absolutely loved it and it seems like the correct

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Speaker 20: decision so far, so long mate, continue.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely And you came into a squad in Auckland where

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Speaker 2: it was fairly consistent from last year, a couple of departures,

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01:03:43,787 --> 01:03:47,747
Speaker 2: couple of new arrivals, obviously yourself included How easy a

1315
01:03:47,827 --> 01:03:50,627
Speaker 2: squad was it to fit into when you first arrived.

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01:03:51,867 --> 01:03:54,907
Speaker 20: Yeah, it really is, I mean straight away kind of

1317
01:03:54,907 --> 01:03:59,547
Speaker 20: the manager and the coach has explained in detail what

1318
01:03:59,587 --> 01:04:02,427
Speaker 20: they wanted from me and the player that they wanted

1319
01:04:02,547 --> 01:04:06,107
Speaker 20: me to be and where I'd fit into the plans.

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Speaker 20: And I think that there's one thing that's really evident

1321
01:04:10,187 --> 01:04:12,787
Speaker 20: coming in early doors is this is an incredibly humble

1322
01:04:12,827 --> 01:04:17,347
Speaker 20: and welcoming squad. We work extremely hard, there's no there's

1323
01:04:17,347 --> 01:04:20,067
Speaker 20: no egos, there's no one who kind of spits the

1324
01:04:20,107 --> 01:04:22,427
Speaker 20: dummy out when things are going going against them. So

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Speaker 20: in terms of coming into the squad, everyone was incredibly welcoming.

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Speaker 20: As I said, it was highlighted from day one what

1327
01:04:30,027 --> 01:04:32,067
Speaker 20: the manager wanted from me, and you know, I've been

1328
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Speaker 20: working hard to be that since day one and it's taken.

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01:04:36,507 --> 01:04:38,387
Speaker 20: It's taken a little bit of time to get myself

1330
01:04:38,467 --> 01:04:41,107
Speaker 20: kind of up to the up to speed physically with

1331
01:04:41,147 --> 01:04:43,587
Speaker 20: what the manager wants. And there's still a lot more

1332
01:04:43,587 --> 01:04:45,227
Speaker 20: work to come from me on that side of things.

1333
01:04:45,227 --> 01:04:49,107
Speaker 20: But so far, so far, so good, so kind of

1334
01:04:49,307 --> 01:04:50,187
Speaker 20: how that continues.

1335
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Speaker 2: There's a striker coming into a new club and you've

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01:04:52,507 --> 01:04:55,347
Speaker 2: you've come into new clubs before in the UK, you've

1337
01:04:55,467 --> 01:04:58,867
Speaker 2: hit a few clubs on your CV. Do you feel

1338
01:04:59,067 --> 01:05:02,947
Speaker 2: extra precire to score goals early? I know, you know

1339
01:05:03,187 --> 01:05:05,987
Speaker 2: it's about more than just that, but do you feel,

1340
01:05:05,987 --> 01:05:09,747
Speaker 2: as I appreciate, to get off the mark into consistently

1341
01:05:09,787 --> 01:05:10,467
Speaker 2: score goals.

1342
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Speaker 8: I'd say so yeah.

1343
01:05:12,667 --> 01:05:14,827
Speaker 20: I mean there's there's one thing the matter where you

1344
01:05:14,907 --> 01:05:17,667
Speaker 20: go in the world playing football, there's a universal currency

1345
01:05:17,707 --> 01:05:21,347
Speaker 20: of goals and points. So for me as a striker,

1346
01:05:21,427 --> 01:05:25,107
Speaker 20: it's I'm going to be measured on very very simply

1347
01:05:25,147 --> 01:05:27,547
Speaker 20: my goal return, and the team is going to be

1348
01:05:27,587 --> 01:05:30,067
Speaker 20: measured on how how many points would pick up. So

1349
01:05:30,587 --> 01:05:35,627
Speaker 20: you know these numbers they do matter, but it is

1350
01:05:35,667 --> 01:05:37,947
Speaker 20: the old cliche. As long as we're kind of putting

1351
01:05:37,987 --> 01:05:40,467
Speaker 20: in good performances and we're winning games.

1352
01:05:40,667 --> 01:05:42,187
Speaker 8: I'm happy. Whoever scores.

1353
01:05:42,227 --> 01:05:45,827
Speaker 20: You know mentioned the one at the weekend where I've

1354
01:05:45,867 --> 01:05:48,707
Speaker 20: taken a shot and it's taken a dubious deflection off

1355
01:05:49,227 --> 01:05:52,467
Speaker 20: mister Randall and he's taken taking credit for the goal.

1356
01:05:52,507 --> 01:05:55,947
Speaker 20: But listeners, as long as we can keep picking up

1357
01:05:55,947 --> 01:05:57,067
Speaker 20: three points, I'm not bothered.

1358
01:05:57,187 --> 01:05:57,947
Speaker 8: I fascor.

1359
01:05:58,587 --> 01:06:01,827
Speaker 2: I think dubious dubious has been very kind to Jesse

1360
01:06:02,027 --> 01:06:05,027
Speaker 2: Randall in that situation. Hell on Earth, Yes, he been

1361
01:06:05,107 --> 01:06:07,707
Speaker 2: credited with that. He gets on the ground, he's lying

1362
01:06:07,787 --> 01:06:09,027
Speaker 2: down here. Has he got that goal?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

1364
01:06:09,947 --> 01:06:11,347
Speaker 8: I mean I've been joking with him.

1365
01:06:11,627 --> 01:06:13,947
Speaker 20: We had a we had a joke after the after

1366
01:06:13,987 --> 01:06:17,187
Speaker 20: the Phoenix game the first RB where I've kind of

1367
01:06:17,547 --> 01:06:22,067
Speaker 20: nicked one of his goals bye, obviously completely unintentionally trying

1368
01:06:22,067 --> 01:06:24,387
Speaker 20: to move the defender out of the way and it

1369
01:06:24,387 --> 01:06:25,787
Speaker 20: has ricocheted onto my leg.

1370
01:06:25,867 --> 01:06:27,947
Speaker 8: So I was laughing and joking. I said, I was

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01:06:27,947 --> 01:06:28,227
Speaker 8: trying and.

1372
01:06:28,227 --> 01:06:31,027
Speaker 20: Get you a an easy assist at some point this

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01:06:31,107 --> 01:06:34,147
Speaker 20: season to make it even. And I think I've repaid

1374
01:06:34,187 --> 01:06:34,987
Speaker 20: that debt for sure.

1375
01:06:35,307 --> 01:06:38,507
Speaker 2: Absolutely well. The manager has plenty of options in a

1376
01:06:38,587 --> 01:06:41,667
Speaker 2: tech doesn't he both starting in in game behind you,

1377
01:06:41,747 --> 01:06:44,467
Speaker 2: Lachlan Brooks, you see Randal gives you my my Logan Rogerson,

1378
01:06:44,547 --> 01:06:48,467
Speaker 2: Marley France, William Gillian. So how have you gone about

1379
01:06:48,507 --> 01:06:51,587
Speaker 2: forging connections with each of them or are they all

1380
01:06:51,707 --> 01:06:55,507
Speaker 2: just interchangeable parts in the Auckland FC system.

1381
01:06:55,907 --> 01:06:56,347
Speaker 6: I think so.

1382
01:06:56,347 --> 01:07:00,147
Speaker 20: I mean, you mentioned some of those names, and one

1383
01:07:00,147 --> 01:07:02,027
Speaker 20: thing that's been evident, and one thing the manager has

1384
01:07:02,067 --> 01:07:04,147
Speaker 20: really driven home is that he's not going to be

1385
01:07:04,187 --> 01:07:07,587
Speaker 20: afraid to make changes. We've got kind of quality and

1386
01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:11,387
Speaker 20: strength and depth all over the pitch. Now there's there's very,

1387
01:07:11,507 --> 01:07:15,347
Speaker 20: very talented and impressive boys that aren't even getting a

1388
01:07:15,387 --> 01:07:18,307
Speaker 20: sniff on the bench at the moment. So I think

1389
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Speaker 20: one thing for us is just we've got the shirt

1390
01:07:21,787 --> 01:07:23,867
Speaker 20: the boys that are started now, but there's absolutely no

1391
01:07:24,187 --> 01:07:25,987
Speaker 20: god given right that we're going to be starting the

1392
01:07:26,027 --> 01:07:28,547
Speaker 20: next game. So from that point of view, there's the

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01:07:28,587 --> 01:07:31,267
Speaker 20: pressure to perform every single game because we know we've

1394
01:07:31,267 --> 01:07:35,427
Speaker 20: got hungry guys behind the scenes. But yeah, listen, everyone

1395
01:07:35,507 --> 01:07:38,267
Speaker 20: has their own strengths, and I mean I think at

1396
01:07:38,267 --> 01:07:41,947
Speaker 20: the start of the season there was the front four

1397
01:07:42,107 --> 01:07:45,627
Speaker 20: was myself Lucky who and knew Jesse who has been

1398
01:07:45,707 --> 01:07:49,427
Speaker 20: unbelievable this season but didn't play loads of football last season,

1399
01:07:49,427 --> 01:07:53,307
Speaker 20: and then Becaumomi who was kind of recovering from a

1400
01:07:53,347 --> 01:07:56,467
Speaker 20: pretty serious knee injury that kind of got swept under

1401
01:07:56,467 --> 01:08:00,147
Speaker 20: the carpet a little bit. So there was definitely connections

1402
01:08:00,187 --> 01:08:02,747
Speaker 20: that needed to be formed. But I think that, as

1403
01:08:02,787 --> 01:08:05,267
Speaker 20: you said, those connections are kind of forming really well

1404
01:08:05,307 --> 01:08:08,427
Speaker 20: now and learning about each other arm learning about the

1405
01:08:08,467 --> 01:08:13,107
Speaker 20: players of army, and it's definitely coming. It's coming together.

1406
01:08:13,867 --> 01:08:15,907
Speaker 20: So if we can kind of continue along that path,

1407
01:08:15,947 --> 01:08:18,987
Speaker 20: I'm sure that there'll be there'll be plenty more success

1408
01:08:19,027 --> 01:08:19,707
Speaker 20: through the season.

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01:08:19,707 --> 01:08:21,507
Speaker 2: From yeah, I'm sure there will be. Sam, good on

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01:08:21,587 --> 01:08:23,067
Speaker 2: you mate, great to chat to you. A shame you

1411
01:08:23,107 --> 01:08:25,787
Speaker 2: can get a game tonight that we could enjoy against

1412
01:08:25,787 --> 01:08:29,107
Speaker 2: in the FC. A date for that to be confirmed

1413
01:08:29,147 --> 01:08:31,987
Speaker 2: a postponement date. But Auckland f C top of the

1414
01:08:31,987 --> 01:08:34,307
Speaker 2: table at Christmas time. Thanks for joining us. Sam. Sam

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01:08:34,427 --> 01:08:38,107
Speaker 2: Cosgrove there English striker with Auckland FC four goals so

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01:08:38,227 --> 01:08:41,507
Speaker 2: far this season, one of half a dozen players who

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01:08:41,667 --> 01:08:45,147
Speaker 2: have that many goals, including Wellington Phoenix's new import e

1418
01:08:45,347 --> 01:08:50,147
Speaker 2: Fine is a Harry Sawyer from MacArthur scored his fifth

1419
01:08:50,187 --> 01:08:52,787
Speaker 2: goal last night, so he's top of the Golden Boot

1420
01:08:52,867 --> 01:08:56,027
Speaker 2: race at the moment. That was an absolutely crazy game

1421
01:08:56,107 --> 01:08:59,347
Speaker 2: last night. I was watching this game and every time

1422
01:08:59,347 --> 01:09:01,707
Speaker 2: you looked up there was a goal. It finished five

1423
01:09:01,747 --> 01:09:05,907
Speaker 2: to four to MacArthur. MacArthur went wander up the Newcastle

1424
01:09:05,907 --> 01:09:10,187
Speaker 2: won award. MacArthur two to won, Newcastle two wall. Then

1425
01:09:10,187 --> 01:09:12,227
Speaker 2: there was an own goal and MacArthur wore her head

1426
01:09:12,227 --> 01:09:14,307
Speaker 2: three to two, and then Harry Sawyer got his goal

1427
01:09:14,627 --> 01:09:17,107
Speaker 2: for four to I thought, okay, well, sixty eight minutes

1428
01:09:17,107 --> 01:09:19,867
Speaker 2: gone their home and host, but then Newcastle scored in

1429
01:09:19,907 --> 01:09:22,507
Speaker 2: the seventy fifth and eighty third minutes all of a

1430
01:09:22,507 --> 01:09:26,187
Speaker 2: sudden it's four all and then an added time. At

1431
01:09:26,187 --> 01:09:29,347
Speaker 2: the end of the game, Luke Vickery scores the ninth

1432
01:09:29,387 --> 01:09:31,467
Speaker 2: goal of the game. There was a touch of controversy

1433
01:09:31,507 --> 01:09:33,587
Speaker 2: about it as well, with the suggestion of a fowl

1434
01:09:33,587 --> 01:09:36,067
Speaker 2: in the build up, but it was given and Luke

1435
01:09:36,147 --> 01:09:39,147
Speaker 2: Vickery the ninth goal and the decisive goal in a

1436
01:09:39,227 --> 01:09:44,387
Speaker 2: five to four win for MacArthur over the Newcastle Jets

1437
01:09:44,427 --> 01:09:48,187
Speaker 2: in Newcastle. So quite the game last night Auckland FC.

1438
01:09:48,307 --> 01:09:51,187
Speaker 2: As I say, won't play tonight at Leichhart, so their

1439
01:09:51,387 --> 01:09:53,947
Speaker 2: next game is a home game on New Year's Day

1440
01:09:54,227 --> 01:09:56,787
Speaker 2: where they welcomed the Newcastle Jets fresh off that five

1441
01:09:56,827 --> 01:10:00,387
Speaker 2: to four to go Media Stadium. You might remember the

1442
01:10:00,427 --> 01:10:03,547
Speaker 2: last time Newcastle were here. It was that day absolutely

1443
01:10:03,627 --> 01:10:06,307
Speaker 2: pelted down with rain so much said that they all

1444
01:10:06,387 --> 01:10:08,747
Speaker 2: most called the game off. Newcastle Levenci won that game

1445
01:10:08,747 --> 01:10:10,987
Speaker 2: two one, so they won't have any fear at all

1446
01:10:10,987 --> 01:10:14,507
Speaker 2: about coming to Aukland. For the Wellington Phoenix, they play

1447
01:10:14,587 --> 01:10:17,787
Speaker 2: Monday night against Melbourne victory at Amy Park. That is

1448
01:10:18,307 --> 01:10:22,467
Speaker 2: nine o'clock New Zealand time on Monday night. That's two

1449
01:10:22,507 --> 01:10:23,947
Speaker 2: days from now. I know you don't even know what

1450
01:10:24,067 --> 01:10:26,187
Speaker 2: day it is. I think today is Saturday. I could

1451
01:10:26,267 --> 01:10:28,347
Speaker 2: be wrong, but I think it is, so two nights

1452
01:10:28,347 --> 01:10:31,067
Speaker 2: from now. Melbourne victory against Wellington Phoenix. For the Phoenix,

1453
01:10:31,107 --> 01:10:33,987
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to break a long standing draught of

1454
01:10:34,067 --> 01:10:36,267
Speaker 2: wins at that venue, Amy Park. The last time they

1455
01:10:36,307 --> 01:10:40,467
Speaker 2: won there twenty seventeen. That's an awfully long time ago.

1456
01:10:41,267 --> 01:10:44,427
Speaker 2: At the MCG fifty seven for two Australia with Larba,

1457
01:10:44,427 --> 01:10:47,227
Speaker 2: Shane and Head together a ninety nine run lead, Wo'll

1458
01:10:47,267 --> 01:10:50,307
Speaker 2: get you there shortly with Adam Peacock and in Parmeston North,

1459
01:10:50,707 --> 01:10:53,067
Speaker 2: the Central Hinds have started to pick up a few

1460
01:10:53,107 --> 01:10:56,027
Speaker 2: wickets after the Blaze got away to a pretty good start.

1461
01:10:56,387 --> 01:11:00,307
Speaker 2: They are now Wellington ninety three for four in the

1462
01:11:00,307 --> 01:11:02,947
Speaker 2: fifteenth over, batting first against the Heins. We'll take a

1463
01:11:02,987 --> 01:11:05,107
Speaker 2: break when we come back. We're at the MCG Adam

1464
01:11:05,147 --> 01:11:09,587
Speaker 2: Peacock to join us during this crazy, crazy Ashes Test match.

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Speaker 2: One forty four Here on news Talks there B Let's

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01:11:23,627 --> 01:11:25,987
Speaker 2: get you to Melbourne where it's day two of the

1470
01:11:26,027 --> 01:11:28,787
Speaker 2: Boxing Day Ashes Test Australia in their second innings fifty

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01:11:28,827 --> 01:11:31,067
Speaker 2: eight for two. They now have a lead of exactly

1472
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Speaker 2: one hundred with eight second innings wickets in hand. Our

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Speaker 2: Australian correspondent right across the year and we hope well

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Speaker 2: into the future is Adam Peacock, who's tracking the Ashes

1475
01:11:41,427 --> 01:11:44,107
Speaker 2: for the Willow Talk podcast as well as his own

1476
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Speaker 2: personal interest. Can you in any way explain what happened yesterday,

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01:11:48,787 --> 01:11:50,467
Speaker 2: Hey clinic, No.

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Speaker 9: Not really. I think a wicket with a bit of

1479
01:11:53,547 --> 01:11:58,147
Speaker 9: graft on it and very good bowling and I'm sure batting.

1480
01:11:58,547 --> 01:12:00,507
Speaker 9: I think I wouldn't say out of form batting because

1481
01:12:00,547 --> 01:12:04,427
Speaker 9: guys who were informed before it showed that even they

1482
01:12:04,427 --> 01:12:06,667
Speaker 9: couldn't cope with it. Harry Brook Trotty's best kind of

1483
01:12:06,907 --> 01:12:11,507
Speaker 9: hit through the conditions and take the bowler's ability to

1484
01:12:11,547 --> 01:12:14,587
Speaker 9: move the ball out of there out of their control.

1485
01:12:14,627 --> 01:12:17,107
Speaker 9: But other than that, it was just all bowling and

1486
01:12:17,467 --> 01:12:20,027
Speaker 9: the pitcher is just feeling so much that, yeah, it

1487
01:12:20,107 --> 01:12:21,707
Speaker 9: was almost impossible to bat on.

1488
01:12:22,227 --> 01:12:24,547
Speaker 2: How much talk has there been about the wicket and

1489
01:12:24,587 --> 01:12:26,987
Speaker 2: the fact that it was so much in favor of

1490
01:12:27,027 --> 01:12:28,707
Speaker 2: the same bowlers on day one.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, a lot, a lot, a lot yesterday. It stunts

1492
01:12:31,707 --> 01:12:33,867
Speaker 9: in a lot this morning before play started. It looks

1493
01:12:33,907 --> 01:12:36,027
Speaker 9: to have calmed down a little bit, but it's still

1494
01:12:36,027 --> 01:12:38,987
Speaker 9: doing a bit just watching the first hour here at

1495
01:12:38,987 --> 01:12:45,187
Speaker 9: the MCG. But the way that it played, it's a

1496
01:12:45,187 --> 01:12:49,547
Speaker 9: shame because I mean, RaSE you've watched cricket in India

1497
01:12:49,627 --> 01:12:51,667
Speaker 9: for instance, where there's a stuck that wickets falling on

1498
01:12:51,747 --> 01:12:54,467
Speaker 9: day one of the pitch conditions because it's turning so

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01:12:54,587 --> 01:12:57,587
Speaker 9: much and we bemoan that. So I can see the

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01:12:57,627 --> 01:13:00,467
Speaker 9: point of view that maybe it wasn't a great idea

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01:13:00,507 --> 01:13:05,307
Speaker 9: to give the conditions so much to the bowlers. And yeah,

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01:13:05,307 --> 01:13:08,507
Speaker 9: it's it's not ruined the match, but it's certainly taken

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01:13:09,147 --> 01:13:11,947
Speaker 9: sessions and days off the end of the match. And yeah,

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Speaker 9: hopefully there's a day three so that they can have

1505
01:13:14,147 --> 01:13:15,187
Speaker 9: their third trate to sell out.

1506
01:13:15,587 --> 01:13:18,467
Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's the other point here, isn't that

1507
01:13:18,467 --> 01:13:20,707
Speaker 2: that this ashes series? What do we have? I think

1508
01:13:20,707 --> 01:13:23,907
Speaker 2: eleven days combined for the first three Test matches. This

1509
01:13:23,987 --> 01:13:27,227
Speaker 2: one will hopefully get to at least tomorrow and maybe

1510
01:13:27,267 --> 01:13:30,987
Speaker 2: beyond who knows. But how much of a financial impact

1511
01:13:31,027 --> 01:13:33,267
Speaker 2: will it have on Cricket Australia. Think you and I

1512
01:13:33,307 --> 01:13:35,467
Speaker 2: talked about, you know, the two day Test in Perth.

1513
01:13:35,707 --> 01:13:37,787
Speaker 2: What if Melbourne is a three day Test? How big

1514
01:13:37,827 --> 01:13:40,787
Speaker 2: an impact does that have on the coffers at Cricket Australia.

1515
01:13:41,587 --> 01:13:44,427
Speaker 9: Yeah, it hurts him. It's not the ultimate sentity because look,

1516
01:13:44,747 --> 01:13:46,987
Speaker 9: there's still going to be up to three hundred thousand

1517
01:13:46,987 --> 01:13:48,947
Speaker 9: people coming through the gates if they have three days,

1518
01:13:48,987 --> 01:13:50,707
Speaker 9: So it's not the end of the world. It does

1519
01:13:50,787 --> 01:13:53,307
Speaker 9: take away from day four the broadcast is losing another

1520
01:13:53,627 --> 01:13:55,987
Speaker 9: revenue in terms of that sales and all those things.

1521
01:13:56,347 --> 01:13:58,267
Speaker 9: I think now everyone is wise to it that. I

1522
01:13:58,347 --> 01:14:01,547
Speaker 9: think they now budget for essentially three and a half days,

1523
01:14:01,587 --> 01:14:05,227
Speaker 9: so anything over that and there is a direct correlation.

1524
01:14:05,627 --> 01:14:07,267
Speaker 9: You have a look at the number of draws in

1525
01:14:07,267 --> 01:14:10,627
Speaker 9: Test cricket now in the last decade comparatively, and now

1526
01:14:10,627 --> 01:14:12,987
Speaker 9: we're dealing with people who have actually not only seen

1527
01:14:13,067 --> 01:14:15,387
Speaker 9: each twenty cricket, but grown up with each twenty cricket.

1528
01:14:15,467 --> 01:14:19,347
Speaker 9: So it can't be a coincidence that those two things

1529
01:14:19,347 --> 01:14:22,427
Speaker 9: have merged. And I don't think. I think that the

1530
01:14:22,507 --> 01:14:27,827
Speaker 9: days of a lot of tests going to five well

1531
01:14:27,867 --> 01:14:28,627
Speaker 9: and truly gone.

1532
01:14:29,987 --> 01:14:32,147
Speaker 2: Scott Boland. Can I ask about this guy? I mean,

1533
01:14:32,827 --> 01:14:35,427
Speaker 2: he hasn't had a long career and Test cricket, but

1534
01:14:35,467 --> 01:14:37,867
Speaker 2: every time he bowls he seems to get wicked. I

1535
01:14:37,907 --> 01:14:40,547
Speaker 2: think this might only be a seventeenth test. He's a Victorian.

1536
01:14:40,907 --> 01:14:42,987
Speaker 2: And then yesterday he came out to bat and the

1537
01:14:43,027 --> 01:14:46,587
Speaker 2: second and he opened the bat. How much I heard

1538
01:14:46,627 --> 01:14:49,907
Speaker 2: the roar from a television. How much do Victorians love

1539
01:14:49,907 --> 01:14:50,747
Speaker 2: Scottie Boland?

1540
01:14:51,387 --> 01:14:56,267
Speaker 9: Oh, Victorians love Victorians who are playing for Israelia. They're

1541
01:14:56,267 --> 01:15:00,947
Speaker 9: fart everything in the world. It doesn't get any betaphor

1542
01:15:00,987 --> 01:15:02,987
Speaker 9: them because they think that they're taking over the Australian

1543
01:15:03,027 --> 01:15:04,827
Speaker 9: team and fair enough to and it is a great

1544
01:15:04,827 --> 01:15:07,947
Speaker 9: atmosphere when there is a Victorian doing good things at

1545
01:15:07,947 --> 01:15:10,947
Speaker 9: the MCG. But it was a pretty smart play actually

1546
01:15:10,947 --> 01:15:12,587
Speaker 9: when you think about it. With Scott Bowland, they had

1547
01:15:12,587 --> 01:15:15,547
Speaker 9: one over to get through. If there's a wicket taken

1548
01:15:15,627 --> 01:15:17,707
Speaker 9: at any point in that over, that's just the end

1549
01:15:17,707 --> 01:15:19,747
Speaker 9: of the day's play. So they went, we'll get our

1550
01:15:19,747 --> 01:15:22,427
Speaker 9: worst batter, Scotty Bowling at number eleven to go and

1551
01:15:22,507 --> 01:15:25,427
Speaker 9: open the batting and if we lose him, there's no

1552
01:15:25,467 --> 01:15:30,067
Speaker 9: material loss really on the day. So yeah, they played

1553
01:15:30,067 --> 01:15:30,387
Speaker 9: it well.

1554
01:15:30,427 --> 01:15:30,667
Speaker 7: But he.

1555
01:15:32,147 --> 01:15:35,027
Speaker 9: Wickets were falling before he came on to ball and

1556
01:15:35,147 --> 01:15:36,867
Speaker 9: it was like you're waiting for him to come on

1557
01:15:36,867 --> 01:15:38,547
Speaker 9: the bowl to go. This ain't going to get better

1558
01:15:38,547 --> 01:15:40,867
Speaker 9: for England and so what because he bolb beautifully in

1559
01:15:40,947 --> 01:15:43,027
Speaker 9: these those conditions and you're going to be a nightmare

1560
01:15:43,027 --> 01:15:44,387
Speaker 9: in England second innings as well.

1561
01:15:45,387 --> 01:15:47,347
Speaker 2: Michael Nates is the other one. He's what only in

1562
01:15:47,347 --> 01:15:50,867
Speaker 2: his third Test match. I mean, where do you find

1563
01:15:50,907 --> 01:15:51,467
Speaker 2: these guys.

1564
01:15:52,627 --> 01:15:55,227
Speaker 9: It's just the space system that works so well that

1565
01:15:55,267 --> 01:15:57,947
Speaker 9: these guys are like just hardened cricket as they know

1566
01:15:58,027 --> 01:16:00,947
Speaker 9: their game so well and when we get a conditions

1567
01:16:00,987 --> 01:16:04,987
Speaker 9: based selection required that they can go and find someone.

1568
01:16:05,267 --> 01:16:08,907
Speaker 9: Generally speaking, adding, our batting supplies aren't as plentiful as

1569
01:16:08,907 --> 01:16:11,387
Speaker 9: our bowling supplies at the moment, and we've got a

1570
01:16:11,387 --> 01:16:14,667
Speaker 9: few others waiting in the wings bowling wise that could

1571
01:16:14,707 --> 01:16:17,347
Speaker 9: get a start. So batting wise, we're just scratching around.

1572
01:16:17,387 --> 01:16:20,227
Speaker 9: Jake whether all again failed today, so he'll come under

1573
01:16:20,227 --> 01:16:22,347
Speaker 9: the microscope. I think he'll survive for the next Test.

1574
01:16:22,387 --> 01:16:26,307
Speaker 9: But yeah, there's a bit happening with the batting. But

1575
01:16:26,707 --> 01:16:29,507
Speaker 9: our bowling, yeah, no problem at all. And Niece is

1576
01:16:29,507 --> 01:16:32,187
Speaker 9: basically an all rounder as well. He can bat well.

1577
01:16:32,267 --> 01:16:33,787
Speaker 2: I think he tops gorgeous that I didn't he so

1578
01:16:33,787 --> 01:16:35,667
Speaker 2: he had a pretty good day out on day one.

1579
01:16:36,187 --> 01:16:39,827
Speaker 2: So though four hundred and nineteen first class wickets and

1580
01:16:39,867 --> 01:16:42,187
Speaker 2: he's only he's only played three tea smetches, that's an

1581
01:16:42,187 --> 01:16:44,307
Speaker 2: incredible body of work from him.

1582
01:16:45,307 --> 01:16:48,947
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, he's and he's just he loves playing for Queensland.

1583
01:16:48,987 --> 01:16:50,867
Speaker 9: He plays up the gap. But they used him at

1584
01:16:50,867 --> 01:16:53,147
Speaker 9: the Gabba so well because he knew the condition so well.

1585
01:16:53,227 --> 01:16:56,427
Speaker 9: A couple of big court and bowls that really turned

1586
01:16:56,907 --> 01:17:00,427
Speaker 9: the match in Australia's favorite there. So yeah, he's he's

1587
01:17:00,467 --> 01:17:03,107
Speaker 9: just your prototypical hard in the Australian first class cricketer

1588
01:17:03,187 --> 01:17:05,827
Speaker 9: that's ready for a chance when he gets it all right.

1589
01:17:05,867 --> 01:17:07,707
Speaker 2: I think it's he might just have lost a third wicket,

1590
01:17:07,747 --> 01:17:10,027
Speaker 2: I think Marnus Lubb of Shane, I think they're checking

1591
01:17:10,027 --> 01:17:12,387
Speaker 2: them looking. Yeah, I'm looking at the screen. You might

1592
01:17:12,387 --> 01:17:15,707
Speaker 2: have had a sad yeah, yeah, no he is. He's

1593
01:17:15,747 --> 01:17:17,827
Speaker 2: walking off and he is not very pleased at all,

1594
01:17:17,867 --> 01:17:19,507
Speaker 2: Manus Luba Shane. He doesn't like getting out but a

1595
01:17:19,547 --> 01:17:22,987
Speaker 2: wicket for England, so three for sixty one, one hundred

1596
01:17:22,987 --> 01:17:25,507
Speaker 2: and three year heads. I don't know what would England

1597
01:17:25,587 --> 01:17:28,227
Speaker 2: be comfortable chasing. It's a terrible question to ask, I know,

1598
01:17:28,467 --> 01:17:30,187
Speaker 2: but what might what might they chase?

1599
01:17:32,547 --> 01:17:35,947
Speaker 9: Two hundreds that? I mean they're down about her as well,

1600
01:17:35,947 --> 01:17:38,147
Speaker 9: because Gus Atkinson told his hammy and he's been actually

1601
01:17:38,147 --> 01:17:40,187
Speaker 9: pretty good with the bat, so we'll wait and see.

1602
01:17:40,427 --> 01:17:42,867
Speaker 9: So Manus is gone up about the fact that it carried.

1603
01:17:42,907 --> 01:17:46,187
Speaker 9: But if he's walking off, he's walking off. So yeah,

1604
01:17:46,227 --> 01:17:51,627
Speaker 9: he's gone. Yeah, so for two hundred. I wouldn't be

1605
01:17:51,667 --> 01:17:54,187
Speaker 9: too confident of anything over two hundred for England, but

1606
01:17:54,307 --> 01:17:54,747
Speaker 9: you never.

1607
01:17:54,667 --> 01:17:57,787
Speaker 2: Know, You never know, all right, hey, and thanks for

1608
01:17:57,827 --> 01:17:59,227
Speaker 2: taking time out of your date the g to have

1609
01:17:59,267 --> 01:18:02,547
Speaker 2: a chat to us. I'm always appreciate your time. Thanks

1610
01:18:02,547 --> 01:18:04,187
Speaker 2: for a great year as well, mat Hopefully we can

1611
01:18:04,227 --> 01:18:05,867
Speaker 2: call on you in twenty twenty six for more from

1612
01:18:05,867 --> 01:18:07,907
Speaker 2: across the TWA sounds good.

1613
01:18:07,947 --> 01:18:10,027
Speaker 9: Fine, cheers mate, best mate.

1614
01:18:11,667 --> 01:18:13,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great, thanks mate, all the best of you.

1615
01:18:13,387 --> 01:18:16,587
Speaker 2: Adam Peacock there our Australian correspondent here on Weekend Sports.

1616
01:18:16,627 --> 01:18:19,027
Speaker 2: So as we were chatting, Marnus lava Shane Court at

1617
01:18:19,027 --> 01:18:22,067
Speaker 2: first slip, he didn't think it carried, that was what

1618
01:18:22,147 --> 01:18:25,667
Speaker 2: he was blowing up deluxe about. But the third umpire

1619
01:18:25,667 --> 01:18:27,667
Speaker 2: has had a look at it and said, yes, that

1620
01:18:27,747 --> 01:18:30,587
Speaker 2: ball has carried to Joe Root at first slip. You're

1621
01:18:30,627 --> 01:18:34,227
Speaker 2: out Marnus Lava Shane for eight off the bowling of

1622
01:18:34,307 --> 01:18:38,147
Speaker 2: Josh Tungue Court Root bowl Tongue for eight and Australia

1623
01:18:38,467 --> 01:18:40,867
Speaker 2: sixty one for three. Now one of the three wickets

1624
01:18:40,867 --> 01:18:43,067
Speaker 2: of Scotti Bowland, who, as we just mentioned, was out

1625
01:18:43,107 --> 01:18:45,307
Speaker 2: there as night watchmen. So it's not as though they've

1626
01:18:45,387 --> 01:18:48,307
Speaker 2: knocked over three from the top order, but three down

1627
01:18:48,467 --> 01:18:52,307
Speaker 2: seven to get Australia lead by one hundred and three. Honestly,

1628
01:18:52,627 --> 01:18:56,267
Speaker 2: this game could finish today. It could. It would not

1629
01:18:56,427 --> 01:18:59,667
Speaker 2: be beyond the realms of possibility that this game finishes today.

1630
01:19:00,467 --> 01:19:03,387
Speaker 2: Look at what happened in Perth. Well, only what have

1631
01:19:03,507 --> 01:19:05,747
Speaker 2: we had. We've had about an hour and twenty minutes

1632
01:19:06,427 --> 01:19:09,627
Speaker 2: on Day two. Australia have lost three wickets in that time.

1633
01:19:10,187 --> 01:19:13,027
Speaker 2: Steve Smith has come out to join Travis Head. Even

1634
01:19:13,067 --> 01:19:16,107
Speaker 2: if they were all out, let's just say, for argument's sake,

1635
01:19:16,107 --> 01:19:18,187
Speaker 2: for one hundred and fifty, that's ninety more runs, that's

1636
01:19:18,187 --> 01:19:20,027
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety three. England will have to chase.

1637
01:19:20,227 --> 01:19:22,267
Speaker 2: The way England are playing in this series. That is

1638
01:19:22,347 --> 01:19:26,747
Speaker 2: by no means a foregone conclusion. So you will keep

1639
01:19:26,787 --> 01:19:29,507
Speaker 2: eyes on it for you this time tomorrow. Would I

1640
01:19:29,707 --> 01:19:32,107
Speaker 2: be confident the Test cricket is still being played at

1641
01:19:32,547 --> 01:19:35,467
Speaker 2: Melbourne Cricket Ground. Not supremely confident. I hope that it is,

1642
01:19:36,147 --> 01:19:38,307
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't be supremely confident about that. Just to

1643
01:19:38,347 --> 01:19:41,387
Speaker 2: quick check on the women's Super Smash and parmest North

1644
01:19:41,827 --> 01:19:45,267
Speaker 2: the Wellington Blaze batting first against the Hines after winning

1645
01:19:45,267 --> 01:19:47,787
Speaker 2: the toss and electing to bat first, one hundred and

1646
01:19:47,987 --> 01:19:50,827
Speaker 2: eighteen for five, so the slide up just a little bit.

1647
01:19:50,827 --> 01:19:54,667
Speaker 2: They're in the eighteenth over. Zara Jentley and Hannah Francis

1648
01:19:54,787 --> 01:19:58,267
Speaker 2: are out there together. Best of the bowlers for the Hindes.

1649
01:19:58,267 --> 01:20:01,907
Speaker 2: Claudia Green two for twenty and two. Pretty big wickets

1650
01:20:01,907 --> 01:20:04,747
Speaker 2: to Melly Kerr and Jess Curse. You got the cursisters

1651
01:20:04,787 --> 01:20:09,227
Speaker 2: out that Claudia Green, So a pretty impressive and important

1652
01:20:09,267 --> 01:20:13,467
Speaker 2: bowling performance from her four overs two for twenty seven

1653
01:20:13,507 --> 01:20:15,507
Speaker 2: minutes away from two. Here on News Talk's.

1654
01:20:15,347 --> 01:20:19,547
Speaker 1: EDB analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

1655
01:20:19,627 --> 01:20:22,987
Speaker 1: world weekends for it with Jason Pie they call eight

1656
01:20:23,107 --> 01:20:25,307
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty News Talks eNB.

1657
01:20:25,867 --> 01:20:28,147
Speaker 2: Four to two. Just looking at Manas Laba Shane's numbers

1658
01:20:28,147 --> 01:20:30,147
Speaker 2: in the ashes, he got fifty one not out in

1659
01:20:30,147 --> 01:20:32,387
Speaker 2: the first Test and sixty five in the second of Brisbane.

1660
01:20:32,427 --> 01:20:35,947
Speaker 2: But take those two scores out nine three, nineteen thirteen

1661
01:20:36,067 --> 01:20:38,787
Speaker 2: six and eight for Marnas Laver Shane. Just the one

1662
01:20:38,827 --> 01:20:41,187
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy four runs in those eight innings, not

1663
01:20:41,267 --> 01:20:44,107
Speaker 2: even an average of twenty five. He'll be fine for

1664
01:20:44,147 --> 01:20:46,107
Speaker 2: the next Test up. I'll probably keep the same side,

1665
01:20:46,107 --> 01:20:48,827
Speaker 2: won't they. After two o'clock we're going to look at

1666
01:20:48,827 --> 01:20:51,027
Speaker 2: the history of Test cricket. Yeah, it seems like a

1667
01:20:51,027 --> 01:20:54,107
Speaker 2: big job, doesn't it. Tim Wigmore has written the first

1668
01:20:54,147 --> 01:20:59,467
Speaker 2: definitive narrative of Test cricket. It's simply called Test Cricket

1669
01:20:59,467 --> 01:21:03,267
Speaker 2: a History. He's an English author, award winning cricket journalist.

1670
01:21:03,307 --> 01:21:13,627
Speaker 2: Tim Wigmore After two and also Darts with Ben francis.

1671
01:21:10,627 --> 01:21:13,547
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1672
01:21:13,907 --> 01:21:15,027
Speaker 1: and after field.

1673
01:21:15,587 --> 01:21:19,267
Speaker 4: It's all on Weekends Forward with Jason Vaide on your

1674
01:21:19,347 --> 01:21:20,467
Speaker 4: home of Sports.

1675
01:21:23,467 --> 01:21:24,107
Speaker 7: Two seven.

1676
01:21:24,147 --> 01:21:26,667
Speaker 2: Welcome into Weekends Sport. Welcome back to Weekend Sport. Great

1677
01:21:26,707 --> 01:21:28,667
Speaker 2: to have you with us. Another hour and then it's

1678
01:21:29,027 --> 01:21:32,907
Speaker 2: Max Toll Summer Weekends from three onwards. Before we hand

1679
01:21:32,907 --> 01:21:35,907
Speaker 2: the micover. Quite a bit to get through, actually, Tim Wigmore,

1680
01:21:36,027 --> 01:21:40,507
Speaker 2: award winning cricket journalist and author, has written the History

1681
01:21:40,547 --> 01:21:42,867
Speaker 2: of Test cricket. Goodness, gracious me, how did he decide

1682
01:21:42,867 --> 01:21:45,147
Speaker 2: what to leave in and what to take out? He's

1683
01:21:45,187 --> 01:21:48,987
Speaker 2: with us shortly we'll look ahead to the third round

1684
01:21:48,987 --> 01:21:52,587
Speaker 2: of the World Dance Championships with our darts analyst Ben

1685
01:21:52,667 --> 01:21:56,867
Speaker 2: Francis and go stateside with Leon Buzzby lots of American

1686
01:21:56,907 --> 01:22:00,387
Speaker 2: sports to talk about NBA, college football and the NFL.

1687
01:22:00,627 --> 01:22:04,027
Speaker 2: So we'll get to Leon Busby before three o'clock as

1688
01:22:04,027 --> 01:22:07,147
Speaker 2: well and keep eyes on everything that's happening in terms

1689
01:22:07,347 --> 01:22:10,267
Speaker 2: of live sport in Parmeerston North and also at the

1690
01:22:10,427 --> 01:22:14,947
Speaker 2: MCG with a super Smash Cricket and Ashes Test Cricket.

1691
01:22:15,027 --> 01:22:17,427
Speaker 2: But as we always do at around about this time

1692
01:22:17,467 --> 01:22:20,347
Speaker 2: on weekend sport and today is no exception, time to

1693
01:22:20,387 --> 01:22:21,947
Speaker 2: catch you up with some of the things you might

1694
01:22:21,947 --> 01:22:25,067
Speaker 2: have missed. As mentioned last how the Breakers have snapped

1695
01:22:25,067 --> 01:22:28,667
Speaker 2: their three game losing streak in basketball's an bl with

1696
01:22:28,747 --> 01:22:32,987
Speaker 2: an overtime win over mid table rivals Tasmania. With eight

1697
01:22:33,067 --> 01:22:36,387
Speaker 2: seconds left in overtime, the Breakers led by three.

1698
01:22:36,587 --> 01:22:40,707
Speaker 3: Hamilton'll get a good love at Johnson Potson. It's no good,

1699
01:22:40,787 --> 01:22:44,787
Speaker 3: It's hell stay with Tazzy. I shall betreve Oh God

1700
01:22:44,987 --> 01:22:48,107
Speaker 3: that name put it in. Makes it a one point

1701
01:22:48,107 --> 01:22:51,987
Speaker 3: game and the New Zealand Breakers will come away with

1702
01:22:52,107 --> 01:22:53,587
Speaker 3: a critical.

1703
01:22:53,147 --> 01:22:56,867
Speaker 2: Victory to their season eighty one eighty. The final score

1704
01:22:57,067 --> 01:23:01,147
Speaker 2: A fifty ball century from Sam Harper has led the

1705
01:23:01,147 --> 01:23:03,987
Speaker 2: Melbourne Stars to a seven wicket win over the Sydney

1706
01:23:04,027 --> 01:23:06,267
Speaker 2: Sixers in Crickets Big Bash.

1707
01:23:07,547 --> 01:23:08,667
Speaker 4: Half of miscues.

1708
01:23:09,147 --> 01:23:11,707
Speaker 3: It's over the top, it's down of the boundary.

1709
01:23:12,707 --> 01:23:16,827
Speaker 2: It is the innings of his lifetime. Sam Harper celebrate

1710
01:23:17,067 --> 01:23:20,667
Speaker 2: seve hundred. Sam Harper finishing unbeaten on one hundred and

1711
01:23:20,907 --> 01:23:24,707
Speaker 2: ten from sixty balls as the Stars reached their target

1712
01:23:24,707 --> 01:23:26,707
Speaker 2: of one forty five with two and a half overs

1713
01:23:26,707 --> 01:23:30,947
Speaker 2: to spare at the SCG. A crazy Boxing Day fixture

1714
01:23:31,027 --> 01:23:35,147
Speaker 2: in Football's A Leagues Men's competition between Newcastle and MacArthur.

1715
01:23:35,307 --> 01:23:36,747
Speaker 3: Play on here for the Bulls.

1716
01:23:37,107 --> 01:23:38,987
Speaker 7: Vickery, Vickery to we it.

1717
01:23:40,147 --> 01:23:40,907
Speaker 4: He's done it.

1718
01:23:41,587 --> 01:23:42,947
Speaker 7: In the last minutes.

1719
01:23:43,267 --> 01:23:47,227
Speaker 3: Luke Vickery has won an A League Classic.

1720
01:23:46,947 --> 01:23:50,307
Speaker 2: For the Balls, a ninety six minute goal from Luke

1721
01:23:50,427 --> 01:23:54,507
Speaker 2: Vickery helping MacArthur clinch a five to four win over

1722
01:23:54,547 --> 01:23:57,667
Speaker 2: the Jets in Newcastle. And in the Premier League this morning,

1723
01:23:57,667 --> 01:24:00,747
Speaker 2: Manchester United up to fifth after a one nill home

1724
01:24:00,787 --> 01:24:04,147
Speaker 2: win over Newcastle. The game's only goal was a cracker

1725
01:24:04,267 --> 01:24:05,587
Speaker 2: after twenty four minutes.

1726
01:24:07,587 --> 01:24:14,187
Speaker 21: What's got done is t trick Taljo who's never scored

1727
01:24:14,227 --> 01:24:19,347
Speaker 21: from Manchessea United, and he may never score a fattest

1728
01:24:19,427 --> 01:24:20,467
Speaker 21: strike than us.

1729
01:24:21,347 --> 01:24:24,907
Speaker 1: The voice of Sport on your Home of Sport, Weekend

1730
01:24:24,987 --> 01:24:27,947
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Van News TALKSB.

1731
01:24:27,987 --> 01:24:31,787
Speaker 2: News TALKSB and Weekend Sport. Test Cricket is on the

1732
01:24:31,827 --> 01:24:36,107
Speaker 2: cusp of its one hundred and fiftieth anniversary. Award winning

1733
01:24:36,147 --> 01:24:40,267
Speaker 2: author Tim Wigmore has written the first narrative history of

1734
01:24:40,427 --> 01:24:44,547
Speaker 2: Test cricket. Test Cricket a History details the players and

1735
01:24:44,667 --> 01:24:48,947
Speaker 2: stories that have shaped the game's evolution since eighteen seventy seven.

1736
01:24:49,267 --> 01:24:52,307
Speaker 2: It draws on dozens of exclusive interviews with the game's

1737
01:24:52,307 --> 01:24:57,147
Speaker 2: greatest players, including such Intendalka, Pat Cummens, Michael Holding, Muttia,

1738
01:24:57,347 --> 01:25:02,067
Speaker 2: Maro Lutheran, Kevin Peterson, Ian Chappel, Dale Stain, and Rahul Dravid.

1739
01:25:02,347 --> 01:25:04,827
Speaker 2: The book brings to life both Test cricket on the

1740
01:25:04,867 --> 01:25:08,667
Speaker 2: pitch and the game's so social significance around the world

1741
01:25:08,747 --> 01:25:10,827
Speaker 2: and in the week past. It was named as a

1742
01:25:10,827 --> 01:25:15,027
Speaker 2: Mail On Sunday Sports Book of the Year. Tim Wigmore

1743
01:25:15,307 --> 01:25:17,907
Speaker 2: is with us, Tim congratulations on the book. It's a

1744
01:25:17,987 --> 01:25:21,987
Speaker 2: monumental undertaking, no doubt, a labor of love and a

1745
01:25:22,027 --> 01:25:26,587
Speaker 2: magnificent result. The current Boxing Day Test between Australia and

1746
01:25:26,747 --> 01:25:30,747
Speaker 2: England is Test number two thousand, six hundred and fifteen,

1747
01:25:31,307 --> 01:25:34,747
Speaker 2: stretching back over one hundred and forty eight years to

1748
01:25:34,867 --> 01:25:40,307
Speaker 2: Test number one in Melbourne in March of eighteen seventy seven.

1749
01:25:40,707 --> 01:25:42,587
Speaker 2: That is a heck of a lot of test cricket.

1750
01:25:43,067 --> 01:25:44,987
Speaker 2: How did you decide what to focus on, what to

1751
01:25:45,067 --> 01:25:47,867
Speaker 2: leave in and as importantly what to leave out?

1752
01:25:48,507 --> 01:25:50,027
Speaker 12: Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Jason.

1753
01:25:50,587 --> 01:25:53,427
Speaker 17: Yeah, so I was thinking about sort of what were

1754
01:25:53,427 --> 01:25:56,427
Speaker 17: the big things in a story sense, which means you know,

1755
01:25:56,627 --> 01:25:58,827
Speaker 17: there's you know, probably thousand much I don't actually cover

1756
01:25:58,907 --> 01:25:59,427
Speaker 17: at all, but it's.

1757
01:25:59,347 --> 01:25:59,947
Speaker 12: Not about it.

1758
01:25:59,747 --> 01:26:03,427
Speaker 17: It's so it's sort of going through and then where

1759
01:26:03,467 --> 01:26:05,347
Speaker 17: the ras in talking about what are the main characters

1760
01:26:05,347 --> 01:26:07,067
Speaker 17: at that moment. So you have obviously like things like

1761
01:26:07,107 --> 01:26:08,587
Speaker 17: when the West Innings are the best team in the world,

1762
01:26:08,667 --> 01:26:10,307
Speaker 17: that's obviously that dominates the story.

1763
01:26:10,587 --> 01:26:11,427
Speaker 12: New Zealand in that case.

1764
01:26:11,467 --> 01:26:13,947
Speaker 17: Actually there's period where don't recover New Zeine and then

1765
01:26:14,187 --> 01:26:16,867
Speaker 17: I cover them in the context of you know, so

1766
01:26:16,987 --> 01:26:19,107
Speaker 17: the early they start and how they how they become

1767
01:26:19,107 --> 01:26:21,867
Speaker 17: a Test team, and then Richard Hadley of course and

1768
01:26:21,907 --> 01:26:23,507
Speaker 17: the kind of the eighties are the great all round

1769
01:26:23,587 --> 01:26:25,907
Speaker 17: and then their path to be the first World Test

1770
01:26:25,947 --> 01:26:28,747
Speaker 17: Champions rexample. So it's it was sort of looking at

1771
01:26:29,187 --> 01:26:32,747
Speaker 17: what are the periods when when the team is really

1772
01:26:32,827 --> 01:26:37,707
Speaker 17: influential and they are really central to central to the story. Obviously,

1773
01:26:37,747 --> 01:26:39,467
Speaker 17: I just didn't want to get bogged down in one

1774
01:26:39,507 --> 01:26:41,667
Speaker 17: hundred and hundreds of matches and saying this happened, this happened.

1775
01:26:41,747 --> 01:26:44,707
Speaker 17: So I've kind of gone almost gone a bit deeper

1776
01:26:44,747 --> 01:26:47,747
Speaker 17: on less stuff. I guess it's probably how I describe it.

1777
01:26:47,787 --> 01:26:49,747
Speaker 17: So to try and get a sense of the like

1778
01:26:50,067 --> 01:26:52,227
Speaker 17: the characters and actually be able to be able to talk,

1779
01:26:52,347 --> 01:26:54,107
Speaker 17: you know, in depth to guards like you know, Laura

1780
01:26:54,147 --> 01:26:57,427
Speaker 17: Tendrgan so on about their craft was such an interesting

1781
01:26:57,427 --> 01:26:58,787
Speaker 17: thing to do. So I've tried to kind of let

1782
01:26:58,827 --> 01:27:02,587
Speaker 17: their stories shine through, and I guess inevitably there's some

1783
01:27:02,587 --> 01:27:05,067
Speaker 17: great players that I just don't really cover because you

1784
01:27:05,147 --> 01:27:06,947
Speaker 17: kind of concover everything, and if you're i'k. Cover everything,

1785
01:27:06,987 --> 01:27:09,827
Speaker 17: you end up just having one buddy thing off another,

1786
01:27:09,867 --> 01:27:11,467
Speaker 17: as they say, rather than having a story.

1787
01:27:11,667 --> 01:27:14,707
Speaker 2: Indeed, well, I want to take you to chapter thirty

1788
01:27:14,787 --> 01:27:18,427
Speaker 2: three New Zealand's moment detailing out win of the World

1789
01:27:18,427 --> 01:27:22,427
Speaker 2: Test Championship. The chapter starts with Brenda McCallum's first day

1790
01:27:22,467 --> 01:27:26,027
Speaker 2: as Test captain, bowled out for forty five by South

1791
01:27:26,067 --> 01:27:29,347
Speaker 2: Africa in Cape Town in January twenty thirteen, and the

1792
01:27:29,427 --> 01:27:32,587
Speaker 2: chapter ends with Ross Taylor waking up still in his

1793
01:27:32,707 --> 01:27:36,107
Speaker 2: whites the morning after the victory over India in the

1794
01:27:36,147 --> 01:27:40,387
Speaker 2: final eight years later. How significant a time in New

1795
01:27:40,467 --> 01:27:42,427
Speaker 2: Zealand Test cricket history was.

1796
01:27:42,387 --> 01:27:44,907
Speaker 12: That now, it was very significant.

1797
01:27:44,907 --> 01:27:47,507
Speaker 17: So I think to sort of win'm back in Zoom

1798
01:27:47,547 --> 01:27:50,627
Speaker 17: Battles was in in the eighties with Richard Hada, Martin Crow.

1799
01:27:50,667 --> 01:27:52,987
Speaker 17: They are a very strong team, probably the third best

1800
01:27:52,987 --> 01:27:57,987
Speaker 17: in the world in that period after Wessineisan Pakistan. Other

1801
01:27:57,987 --> 01:28:00,707
Speaker 17: than that is in had been pretty competitive at times.

1802
01:28:00,747 --> 01:28:03,907
Speaker 17: But actually, you know, because it's any sort of six

1803
01:28:04,027 --> 01:28:06,467
Speaker 17: seventh eighth in terms of the Test rankings, and so

1804
01:28:06,547 --> 01:28:09,707
Speaker 17: what we see really from twenty thirteen we see this great,

1805
01:28:09,827 --> 01:28:12,307
Speaker 17: great turnaround and I think it's a combination. It's it's interesting,

1806
01:28:12,347 --> 01:28:15,347
Speaker 17: it's a combination of kind of leadership and great players

1807
01:28:15,347 --> 01:28:15,827
Speaker 17: coming through.

1808
01:28:15,907 --> 01:28:17,547
Speaker 12: Is also a combination of a system.

1809
01:28:17,587 --> 01:28:20,187
Speaker 17: So you look at West Indies, which obviously who obviously

1810
01:28:20,187 --> 01:28:24,027
Speaker 17: were way more successful than New Zealand, you know historically

1811
01:28:24,667 --> 01:28:27,427
Speaker 17: and how they've struggled to manage like the modern climate

1812
01:28:27,427 --> 01:28:31,107
Speaker 17: of cricket with franchise leagues and clubby country and making

1813
01:28:31,147 --> 01:28:33,347
Speaker 17: sure you have your your best best players when you

1814
01:28:33,347 --> 01:28:35,147
Speaker 17: need them. And actually New Zealand have done that really

1815
01:28:35,187 --> 01:28:37,427
Speaker 17: really well. And they've had things like you know, their

1816
01:28:37,427 --> 01:28:40,587
Speaker 17: eighteen programs being really robust, so you've you've kind of

1817
01:28:40,627 --> 01:28:43,987
Speaker 17: had a sense of the next cabs off the rank

1818
01:28:44,027 --> 01:28:47,387
Speaker 17: and there's that kind of journey there. And actually just

1819
01:28:47,947 --> 01:28:51,267
Speaker 17: what use to do very well is they the whole

1820
01:28:51,307 --> 01:28:54,307
Speaker 17: system is governed towards the national team, so you you know,

1821
01:28:54,387 --> 01:28:59,027
Speaker 17: with them the lstest championship team. For example, BJ Watling was

1822
01:28:59,067 --> 01:29:01,867
Speaker 17: earlier playing for Thorn Districts as an opener and not

1823
01:29:01,947 --> 01:29:05,587
Speaker 17: keeping wicket and Mike Hessen Venue doing coach. He calls

1824
01:29:05,667 --> 01:29:08,467
Speaker 17: up and the Coachural Districts and says, actually we want

1825
01:29:08,467 --> 01:29:10,507
Speaker 17: what link to be our keeper? So can he back

1826
01:29:10,547 --> 01:29:12,547
Speaker 17: down the order and keep So you have that complete

1827
01:29:12,587 --> 01:29:15,627
Speaker 17: coherence and you don't necessarily have that from other other countries.

1828
01:29:15,667 --> 01:29:17,387
Speaker 17: So I think New Zealand of what they've done really

1829
01:29:17,467 --> 01:29:19,267
Speaker 17: well is have the whole system that funnels through to

1830
01:29:19,307 --> 01:29:22,907
Speaker 17: what's best for the national team. And again it's like, yeah,

1831
01:29:22,907 --> 01:29:25,987
Speaker 17: we're kind of in an era where people do worry

1832
01:29:26,067 --> 01:29:29,427
Speaker 17: that the trophies are going to be hoovered up by Australia, England, India,

1833
01:29:29,507 --> 01:29:31,427
Speaker 17: you know, because they're the richest, they're the most resources.

1834
01:29:31,587 --> 01:29:33,547
Speaker 17: So for New Zealand to win the first Worltich Championship

1835
01:29:33,547 --> 01:29:36,427
Speaker 17: I think was really important for the Test game as

1836
01:29:36,427 --> 01:29:37,907
Speaker 17: a whole. And we've now actually had two of the

1837
01:29:37,907 --> 01:29:40,187
Speaker 17: three World Test champions in New Zealand and South Africa

1838
01:29:40,467 --> 01:29:42,387
Speaker 17: who just won a couple of months ago at Lord's.

1839
01:29:42,547 --> 01:29:43,947
Speaker 17: They'd be outside the Big three, which I think is

1840
01:29:43,987 --> 01:29:45,907
Speaker 17: really good for the Test game. So I mean, test

1841
01:29:45,947 --> 01:29:50,827
Speaker 17: cricket really to survive and be viran, it needs, you know,

1842
01:29:50,907 --> 01:29:53,747
Speaker 17: it needs six, seven, eight strong teams, not just three

1843
01:29:53,787 --> 01:29:54,307
Speaker 17: strong teams.

1844
01:29:54,347 --> 01:29:57,227
Speaker 12: And New Zealand of have actually shown what is possible.

1845
01:29:57,307 --> 01:30:00,667
Speaker 2: From a wider sceints. How do you evaluate the evolution

1846
01:30:01,147 --> 01:30:03,867
Speaker 2: of New Zealand's tass cricket history from our very first

1847
01:30:03,867 --> 01:30:07,587
Speaker 2: tist matures in nineteen thirty to the prison day.

1848
01:30:08,147 --> 01:30:11,467
Speaker 17: So one of the really interesting things kind of zooming

1849
01:30:11,507 --> 01:30:15,067
Speaker 17: out was actually early New Zealand because it was basically

1850
01:30:15,067 --> 01:30:17,707
Speaker 17: an amateur setup. So New Zealand would again and again

1851
01:30:17,867 --> 01:30:20,387
Speaker 17: lose their best players. So often you get these tours

1852
01:30:20,427 --> 01:30:23,867
Speaker 17: to England, which is almost like a kind of beauty

1853
01:30:23,867 --> 01:30:26,627
Speaker 17: contest to try and actually get a pro contract in England.

1854
01:30:26,667 --> 01:30:28,547
Speaker 17: If you did that, you would then not be picked.

1855
01:30:29,027 --> 01:30:30,707
Speaker 17: You would then that would then be your career and

1856
01:30:30,707 --> 01:30:32,987
Speaker 17: you wouldn't play for New Zealand. And so actually, you know,

1857
01:30:33,027 --> 01:30:39,027
Speaker 17: guys like Stuey Dempster, Martin Donnelly, some fantastic early crickets

1858
01:30:39,027 --> 01:30:41,427
Speaker 17: that New Zealand produced, actually barely played for New Zealand

1859
01:30:41,427 --> 01:30:43,587
Speaker 17: and Test cricket, which is one of their real issues

1860
01:30:43,587 --> 01:30:46,067
Speaker 17: and a kind of role reverse what happened we talked

1861
01:30:46,067 --> 01:30:47,987
Speaker 17: about West Indy's now is trying to get their best

1862
01:30:47,987 --> 01:30:50,467
Speaker 17: team on the babble. Actually, historically, you know, sort of

1863
01:30:50,507 --> 01:30:53,467
Speaker 17: nineteen thirty, ninety fifty, West Scenes were a bit more sensible,

1864
01:30:53,667 --> 01:30:56,467
Speaker 17: you know, so occasionally they would allow players to miss

1865
01:30:56,507 --> 01:30:59,227
Speaker 17: matches for West Indies knowing that they were still have

1866
01:30:59,267 --> 01:31:00,947
Speaker 17: them most of the time. And New Zealand were actually

1867
01:31:00,987 --> 01:31:05,987
Speaker 17: had this sort of rigid policy where they were very inflexible,

1868
01:31:06,027 --> 01:31:07,787
Speaker 17: son up losing a lot of talent a lot of

1869
01:31:07,827 --> 01:31:09,667
Speaker 17: their best players played very little for them, So that

1870
01:31:09,787 --> 01:31:11,867
Speaker 17: was what that was I thing that held news Inland back,

1871
01:31:11,947 --> 01:31:15,547
Speaker 17: I think, and I suppose that the kind of the

1872
01:31:15,987 --> 01:31:18,467
Speaker 17: big shift really from about thousand and two you get

1873
01:31:18,507 --> 01:31:22,147
Speaker 17: kind of you get professionals in domestic cricket, and so

1874
01:31:22,187 --> 01:31:25,587
Speaker 17: you actually have a system where therefore the domestic game

1875
01:31:25,627 --> 01:31:28,427
Speaker 17: really strengthens, and you also have I mean that the

1876
01:31:28,467 --> 01:31:31,427
Speaker 17: pitchers have been a really big change in domestic cricket

1877
01:31:31,427 --> 01:31:33,307
Speaker 17: as well. So there used to be these green tops

1878
01:31:33,347 --> 01:31:36,307
Speaker 17: which it sometimes would catch visiting teams on the fly,

1879
01:31:36,387 --> 01:31:39,827
Speaker 17: but they wouldn't really prepare players for the flat because

1880
01:31:39,827 --> 01:31:41,467
Speaker 17: you often do get in test cricket. And so the

1881
01:31:41,507 --> 01:31:43,707
Speaker 17: pitchers have really improved in his in domestic cricket. They've

1882
01:31:43,707 --> 01:31:46,027
Speaker 17: made a big emhsis on that and that actually means

1883
01:31:46,027 --> 01:31:48,827
Speaker 17: that when players go into tech test cricket, of course

1884
01:31:48,827 --> 01:31:50,147
Speaker 17: there's always going to be a step up, but that

1885
01:31:50,187 --> 01:31:51,707
Speaker 17: step up is more manageable than that has been for

1886
01:31:51,787 --> 01:31:52,667
Speaker 17: a long time in the past.

1887
01:31:52,787 --> 01:31:55,707
Speaker 2: Now at least I've missed it. You have rather kindly

1888
01:31:55,827 --> 01:31:59,227
Speaker 2: lift out the twenty six all out we managed against

1889
01:31:59,267 --> 01:32:02,907
Speaker 2: England in nineteen fifty five, still the lowest completed tist

1890
01:32:02,947 --> 01:32:05,267
Speaker 2: and thing seventy years later. We got quite excited earlier

1891
01:32:05,267 --> 01:32:08,987
Speaker 2: this year when Studies were twenty six for nine against Australia,

1892
01:32:08,987 --> 01:32:11,307
Speaker 2: but they eked out one more run. Do you think

1893
01:32:11,387 --> 01:32:14,867
Speaker 2: anyone will ever take that and want a record from us?

1894
01:32:16,227 --> 01:32:19,307
Speaker 17: Well, there's been a frozen Barbie test recently. We thought

1895
01:32:19,307 --> 01:32:21,747
Speaker 17: there was a half a chance, but they haven't really

1896
01:32:21,827 --> 01:32:23,467
Speaker 17: haven't really threatened that. It's one of those things. It's

1897
01:32:23,507 --> 01:32:25,267
Speaker 17: amazing how these records kind of enjure. I mean, one

1898
01:32:25,307 --> 01:32:29,267
Speaker 17: of the pros of all is Charles Bannon. The very

1899
01:32:29,427 --> 01:32:32,867
Speaker 17: very first Test innings in history. He gets the harghest

1900
01:32:32,907 --> 01:32:37,147
Speaker 17: proportion of runs for an individual batsman in that their

1901
01:32:37,187 --> 01:32:39,747
Speaker 17: team innings five percent of Australia runs and that that

1902
01:32:39,787 --> 01:32:42,027
Speaker 17: record has still not been toppled to this day. So

1903
01:32:42,067 --> 01:32:44,987
Speaker 17: it's amazing how long these things can endure, he said,

1904
01:32:44,987 --> 01:32:47,707
Speaker 17: He said over to an a half thousand tests. No, it

1905
01:32:47,747 --> 01:32:51,427
Speaker 17: would be pretty you need something pretty special to not

1906
01:32:51,467 --> 01:32:53,827
Speaker 17: to beat it, but to go under it. Yeah, we

1907
01:32:53,907 --> 01:32:56,987
Speaker 17: sin these is that test in Jamaica. Yeah, they threatened,

1908
01:32:57,027 --> 01:32:58,747
Speaker 17: but yeah, it might be one of those that you

1909
01:32:58,787 --> 01:33:02,507
Speaker 17: don't have to kind of suck it up for a farewell.

1910
01:33:02,587 --> 01:33:06,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, no problem. In many ways, it's a

1911
01:33:06,067 --> 01:33:07,787
Speaker 2: bit of a badge for us. It'll be a sham

1912
01:33:07,827 --> 01:33:10,587
Speaker 2: of it, the ever lift. It's always difficult, I know,

1913
01:33:10,747 --> 01:33:13,267
Speaker 2: to compare across eras and we're talking one hundred and

1914
01:33:13,307 --> 01:33:15,667
Speaker 2: fifty years of TIAS cricket here, But who are the

1915
01:33:15,787 --> 01:33:19,907
Speaker 2: candidates for the greatest team in TIAS cricket history.

1916
01:33:21,347 --> 01:33:24,267
Speaker 17: So I think there's I mean that there's two that

1917
01:33:24,387 --> 01:33:26,587
Speaker 17: stand out, So I guess just to expect, I think

1918
01:33:26,987 --> 01:33:30,227
Speaker 17: until nineteen fifty, you don't like most Test cricket really

1919
01:33:30,307 --> 01:33:32,867
Speaker 17: has Ingler's one of England eighty percent of the Test,

1920
01:33:32,947 --> 01:33:35,147
Speaker 17: so most Test cricket is really England against someone else.

1921
01:33:35,307 --> 01:33:38,747
Speaker 17: There's almost actually don't really get teams having to you know,

1922
01:33:38,747 --> 01:33:40,587
Speaker 17: play multiple countries and stuff. So you've really got to

1923
01:33:40,587 --> 01:33:44,307
Speaker 17: start evaluating from the fifties. I mean the two sort

1924
01:33:44,307 --> 01:33:46,467
Speaker 17: of obvious ones that stand out. So you have the

1925
01:33:46,467 --> 01:33:49,267
Speaker 17: great West Indies team from nineteen eighty to ninety five

1926
01:33:49,387 --> 01:33:51,987
Speaker 17: who you don't don't lose a series in that period.

1927
01:33:51,987 --> 01:33:53,387
Speaker 12: Of course, the first series they do lose.

1928
01:33:53,547 --> 01:33:56,147
Speaker 17: The eighties series that they do lose is in New Zealand,

1929
01:33:56,147 --> 01:33:59,107
Speaker 17: famously to be venues in do give a pretty good

1930
01:33:59,107 --> 01:34:02,987
Speaker 17: crack to against We're sinnings in the eighties, so yeah,

1931
01:34:03,307 --> 01:34:05,707
Speaker 17: that was Cindy's team. And then the Australia team ninety

1932
01:34:05,707 --> 01:34:08,187
Speaker 17: five to os Evan obviously have you know, you have

1933
01:34:08,227 --> 01:34:11,867
Speaker 17: the Walls, you have warl and McGrath, you know Gilchrist,

1934
01:34:12,067 --> 01:34:16,467
Speaker 17: it's an incredible team. So yeah, those two probably stand out.

1935
01:34:16,467 --> 01:34:19,627
Speaker 17: And then I think the in the Pakistan team in

1936
01:34:19,627 --> 01:34:21,947
Speaker 17: the eighties is a very very good side. The soth

1937
01:34:21,947 --> 01:34:24,907
Speaker 17: Africa side of the sort of around twenty ten is

1938
01:34:24,907 --> 01:34:27,227
Speaker 17: that you know, they go thirty series without losing away

1939
01:34:27,227 --> 01:34:31,947
Speaker 17: from home, which is an unbelievable effort. So they would

1940
01:34:31,987 --> 01:34:33,987
Speaker 17: they're they're kind of not too far from the mix.

1941
01:34:34,147 --> 01:34:36,787
Speaker 17: But I actually think of the teams just at home,

1942
01:34:37,027 --> 01:34:39,907
Speaker 17: the recent India team would would actually probably be the

1943
01:34:39,987 --> 01:34:42,147
Speaker 17: very best in history. So they want eighteen series in

1944
01:34:42,187 --> 01:34:44,547
Speaker 17: a row, which is you know, far better than any

1945
01:34:44,587 --> 01:34:48,027
Speaker 17: of the Australia was Indies teams managed, which actually yeah,

1946
01:34:48,067 --> 01:34:50,347
Speaker 17: again just shows how incredible that that you know, that

1947
01:34:50,387 --> 01:34:54,507
Speaker 17: black Caps whitewash was of India, just an incredible result,

1948
01:34:54,587 --> 01:34:57,147
Speaker 17: you know, one of as a series win actually one

1949
01:34:57,187 --> 01:34:58,827
Speaker 17: of the most unlikely in test history.

1950
01:34:58,867 --> 01:34:59,467
Speaker 12: You'd have to say.

1951
01:34:59,587 --> 01:35:02,267
Speaker 2: Indeed, and Dad in the intro to the book, term

1952
01:35:02,307 --> 01:35:08,907
Speaker 2: you write taste crickets enduring appeal a tist to a ritness, richness, complexity,

1953
01:35:09,027 --> 01:35:13,267
Speaker 2: and capacity to generate simmering, slow burning drama. I love

1954
01:35:13,307 --> 01:35:15,227
Speaker 2: that line, and I think it's what appeals to me

1955
01:35:15,627 --> 01:35:17,827
Speaker 2: about test cricket here of the other formats, that it's

1956
01:35:17,827 --> 01:35:21,067
Speaker 2: a slow burner sometimes. Is it also, though, one of

1957
01:35:21,107 --> 01:35:24,227
Speaker 2: the things that makes it hard to attract new fans

1958
01:35:24,227 --> 01:35:25,067
Speaker 2: to test cricket.

1959
01:35:26,307 --> 01:35:28,107
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think that's a weird element that a lot

1960
01:35:28,147 --> 01:35:31,987
Speaker 17: of Test cricket fans they kind of like the idea

1961
01:35:32,067 --> 01:35:33,827
Speaker 17: this is a kind of a bit of a strange,

1962
01:35:34,307 --> 01:35:37,067
Speaker 17: a strange club and kind of not everyone can get it,

1963
01:35:37,107 --> 01:35:39,627
Speaker 17: and that's almost part of their part of its appeal

1964
01:35:39,667 --> 01:35:40,947
Speaker 17: to people, which is a bit of an odd thing

1965
01:35:40,987 --> 01:35:42,427
Speaker 17: to say, but I think there is something in that.

1966
01:35:43,627 --> 01:35:45,227
Speaker 12: So the Test tricket over time, I.

1967
01:35:45,427 --> 01:35:47,587
Speaker 17: Think research in the book, I kind of hadn't realized

1968
01:35:47,587 --> 01:35:49,547
Speaker 17: how much it has evolved. It's like we think of

1969
01:35:49,587 --> 01:35:51,947
Speaker 17: it as this kind of thing that someone's remained the same,

1970
01:35:51,947 --> 01:35:53,907
Speaker 17: but actually just that's just not true at all. You know,

1971
01:35:54,307 --> 01:35:57,187
Speaker 17: we until you know, World War two, we I think

1972
01:35:57,307 --> 01:35:59,267
Speaker 17: only had ten to five day tests in history, so

1973
01:35:59,387 --> 01:36:02,107
Speaker 17: most you know, England would play three or four day

1974
01:36:02,107 --> 01:36:03,587
Speaker 17: tests at home and then a time it's one. If

1975
01:36:03,627 --> 01:36:06,347
Speaker 17: it was the series was level in the last Test Australia,

1976
01:36:06,587 --> 01:36:09,947
Speaker 17: every Test would be timeless. Obviously, when New Zealand come

1977
01:36:09,987 --> 01:36:12,547
Speaker 17: to England forty nine, I think the three day three

1978
01:36:12,587 --> 01:36:15,667
Speaker 17: day matches and it's a new Zeumminster draw and you

1979
01:36:15,707 --> 01:36:18,827
Speaker 17: know they draw that very well, but it gives them

1980
01:36:18,867 --> 01:36:21,467
Speaker 17: obviously gives you more scope to draw, so it's it's yeah,

1981
01:36:21,467 --> 01:36:23,987
Speaker 17: so test rek it has really constantly evolved over time

1982
01:36:24,027 --> 01:36:27,067
Speaker 17: in this Yeah, it's sort of quite sort of slow

1983
01:36:27,267 --> 01:36:28,987
Speaker 17: burning way, but things like you know, the end of

1984
01:36:29,067 --> 01:36:31,667
Speaker 17: uncovered wickets. Helmet's actually from playing point of view is

1985
01:36:31,667 --> 01:36:34,267
Speaker 17: one of the biggest I talked with Ian Chappel about

1986
01:36:34,547 --> 01:36:36,907
Speaker 17: because he was one of the guys who played with helmet,

1987
01:36:37,107 --> 01:36:38,827
Speaker 17: without helmets and then with helmets. And you have all

1988
01:36:38,867 --> 01:36:41,307
Speaker 17: these fast bowls in the seventies, which is basically makes

1989
01:36:41,347 --> 01:36:45,867
Speaker 17: helmets absolutely essential. The number of balls and overs between

1990
01:36:45,907 --> 01:36:49,387
Speaker 17: being between four and four and eight. You obviously have

1991
01:36:49,467 --> 01:36:52,067
Speaker 17: day night Test now and in the World's Championship, WORLDTIS Championships,

1992
01:36:52,027 --> 01:36:53,787
Speaker 17: I think is a really important innovation as well, so

1993
01:36:54,267 --> 01:36:56,587
Speaker 17: that that is part of the reason why testket has survived.

1994
01:36:56,587 --> 01:37:00,987
Speaker 17: But also I think it's always kind of existed as

1995
01:37:01,027 --> 01:37:03,587
Speaker 17: this this strange concept that's almost out of kilter with

1996
01:37:03,627 --> 01:37:06,827
Speaker 17: the modern world, and in an odd way, that's actually

1997
01:37:06,867 --> 01:37:08,427
Speaker 17: kind of part of its appeal because people like the

1998
01:37:08,427 --> 01:37:11,267
Speaker 17: sense it's to release, and people like the thing it's

1999
01:37:11,547 --> 01:37:13,587
Speaker 17: the fact is a kind of constant, it's a kind

2000
01:37:13,627 --> 01:37:16,827
Speaker 17: of backdrop, and it is an odd game that you

2001
01:37:16,827 --> 01:37:18,347
Speaker 17: you know a lot of people who are obsessive followers

2002
01:37:18,387 --> 01:37:20,067
Speaker 17: of it. You're not going to watch every board because

2003
01:37:20,107 --> 01:37:21,987
Speaker 17: you know, real life gets in ther way, right, So

2004
01:37:22,027 --> 01:37:24,627
Speaker 17: you kind of follow it and then you kind of

2005
01:37:24,627 --> 01:37:26,947
Speaker 17: pick your moments to go deep in it. And I

2006
01:37:26,947 --> 01:37:29,587
Speaker 17: think that is is a curious thing, but that's also

2007
01:37:29,627 --> 01:37:31,827
Speaker 17: part of it's appealed as well. People like that that

2008
01:37:32,027 --> 01:37:33,427
Speaker 17: they can they can kind of dip in an out,

2009
01:37:33,427 --> 01:37:35,467
Speaker 17: and then suddenly when it's a really important moment, they

2010
01:37:35,587 --> 01:37:37,707
Speaker 17: kind of go all in a but I think there's

2011
01:37:37,707 --> 01:37:40,547
Speaker 17: also a sense that you kind of need some of

2012
01:37:40,547 --> 01:37:43,867
Speaker 17: the boring moments for the payoff of the really excising moment.

2013
01:37:43,947 --> 01:37:46,387
Speaker 12: So it's all part of part of this package. I

2014
01:37:46,467 --> 01:37:48,067
Speaker 12: think that in an odd way.

2015
01:37:48,667 --> 01:37:50,467
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think that, so that there's this sort of

2016
01:37:50,467 --> 01:37:52,587
Speaker 17: epic and I think the other aspects. You can enjoy

2017
01:37:52,587 --> 01:37:54,507
Speaker 17: it on different levels. You can enjoy it from esthetic

2018
01:37:54,627 --> 01:37:56,267
Speaker 17: levels in terms of the shots. You can enjoy it

2019
01:37:56,267 --> 01:37:58,587
Speaker 17: on a kind of human interest story in terms of

2020
01:37:58,747 --> 01:38:01,987
Speaker 17: the stories and the kind of desire of a players

2021
01:38:01,987 --> 01:38:03,307
Speaker 17: and everything. And you can enjoy it on a kind

2022
01:38:03,307 --> 01:38:05,587
Speaker 17: of numerical level in terms of the stats. So that

2023
01:38:05,667 --> 01:38:07,587
Speaker 17: there's different ways to appreciate the games. I think is

2024
01:38:07,587 --> 01:38:09,187
Speaker 17: also quite special about it.

2025
01:38:09,587 --> 01:38:12,547
Speaker 2: So you've written the history of tast cricket term, what

2026
01:38:12,587 --> 01:38:14,547
Speaker 2: do you predict for its future?

2027
01:38:15,267 --> 01:38:16,587
Speaker 12: So I mean, look at the history.

2028
01:38:16,627 --> 01:38:20,507
Speaker 17: It's amazing how long people have worried about the future

2029
01:38:20,507 --> 01:38:22,747
Speaker 17: of Test cricket four. So the first reference I could

2030
01:38:22,787 --> 01:38:24,627
Speaker 17: find is basically, the game's gone. It's not as good

2031
01:38:24,627 --> 01:38:26,947
Speaker 17: as it used to be. The players they all play

2032
01:38:26,987 --> 01:38:28,787
Speaker 17: for money, not for the badge on the shirt now

2033
01:38:28,907 --> 01:38:32,827
Speaker 17: is eighteen eighty four. So like, yeah, so the kind

2034
01:38:32,867 --> 01:38:34,987
Speaker 17: of worrying about it is while I'm into it, which

2035
01:38:35,147 --> 01:38:37,707
Speaker 17: does kind of actually make me more optimistic because like,

2036
01:38:37,787 --> 01:38:40,787
Speaker 17: it has endured for a reason. I think now that

2037
01:38:40,867 --> 01:38:43,307
Speaker 17: the key thing is to basically to share the money

2038
01:38:43,307 --> 01:38:48,067
Speaker 17: around more to make windows when there is only you

2039
01:38:48,227 --> 01:38:50,467
Speaker 17: just have tech test cricket, have maybe two or three

2040
01:38:50,467 --> 01:38:52,507
Speaker 17: months a year when you just have test test cricket

2041
01:38:52,827 --> 01:38:55,147
Speaker 17: and you have you know, maybe four or five tests

2042
01:38:55,147 --> 01:38:58,107
Speaker 17: at the same time in different countries. And to make

2043
01:38:58,107 --> 01:39:02,147
Speaker 17: the Watter Championship actually just easier to understand. It's so

2044
01:39:02,187 --> 01:39:04,947
Speaker 17: complicated with the percentage of points contested. It sort of

2045
01:39:04,947 --> 01:39:07,267
Speaker 17: gives me a headache just to think about. So you

2046
01:39:07,267 --> 01:39:09,307
Speaker 17: need to have a system where you have three points

2047
01:39:09,307 --> 01:39:11,227
Speaker 17: for a win, a point for a draw, and everyone

2048
01:39:11,267 --> 01:39:12,467
Speaker 17: plays the same number of games.

2049
01:39:12,867 --> 01:39:15,507
Speaker 12: And so what I kind of outline I suggest.

2050
01:39:15,587 --> 01:39:18,747
Speaker 17: I think there's a case now for four day test matches,

2051
01:39:19,507 --> 01:39:21,787
Speaker 17: which I think I think when teams like New Zealand

2052
01:39:21,827 --> 01:39:23,307
Speaker 17: so New Zuom plays in Africa, I think that would

2053
01:39:23,307 --> 01:39:25,587
Speaker 17: be better as three tests of four days each than

2054
01:39:25,587 --> 01:39:26,587
Speaker 17: two or five days each.

2055
01:39:26,947 --> 01:39:28,507
Speaker 12: So I think that is that is something.

2056
01:39:28,547 --> 01:39:31,627
Speaker 17: But and you could that could actually help teams to

2057
01:39:31,667 --> 01:39:34,667
Speaker 17: play more test matches because that you know, you wouldn't

2058
01:39:34,787 --> 01:39:37,107
Speaker 17: need more days. You'd be freeing off these extra days

2059
01:39:37,467 --> 01:39:39,547
Speaker 17: and then you have a simple league league table and

2060
01:39:39,547 --> 01:39:41,547
Speaker 17: actually the Waters Championship has been great in terms of

2061
01:39:41,547 --> 01:39:44,107
Speaker 17: the knockout element, so you could have semi finals and

2062
01:39:44,107 --> 01:39:47,467
Speaker 17: a final stage, not just the final stage again creating

2063
01:39:47,627 --> 01:39:49,707
Speaker 17: just these more more drama, because I think there's something

2064
01:39:49,747 --> 01:39:52,147
Speaker 17: about it's finally yet one hundred hunred, almost hundred and

2065
01:39:52,147 --> 01:39:53,947
Speaker 17: fifty years, we're kind of trying a new thing that

2066
01:39:53,987 --> 01:39:56,467
Speaker 17: which is knockout Test cricket, and it's and we haven't

2067
01:39:56,467 --> 01:39:59,067
Speaker 17: tried it before and it's absolutely absolutely great, So that's

2068
01:39:59,107 --> 01:40:01,267
Speaker 17: something I'd like to see more of going forward term.

2069
01:40:01,307 --> 01:40:05,067
Speaker 2: Congratulations on this book. It's an incredible undertaking and an

2070
01:40:05,107 --> 01:40:10,067
Speaker 2: absolutely terrific are no. Fans of the longer format will

2071
01:40:10,067 --> 01:40:12,307
Speaker 2: absolutely love it. Congratulations on it, mate, and thanks for

2072
01:40:12,347 --> 01:40:13,707
Speaker 2: joining us across New Zealand today.

2073
01:40:13,747 --> 01:40:14,307
Speaker 12: Thanks so much.

2074
01:40:14,307 --> 01:40:16,347
Speaker 2: Really enjoyed it. No enjoy it too, Tim, Thanks and

2075
01:40:16,427 --> 01:40:20,947
Speaker 2: a Tim Wigmore, author of Test Cricket History, available right

2076
01:40:20,947 --> 01:40:23,267
Speaker 2: now to twenty six. Take a break. When we come back,

2077
01:40:23,307 --> 01:40:26,907
Speaker 2: it's Darts with Ben Francis.

2078
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2079
01:40:30,067 --> 01:40:32,747
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2080
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2081
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2082
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Speaker 2: Two twenty nine. The last thirty two have been found

2083
01:40:41,067 --> 01:40:45,107
Speaker 2: at the World Dance Championship in London. Unfortunately, though, Allie

2084
01:40:45,187 --> 01:40:48,507
Speaker 2: Pelly heartbreak for Kiwi number one Johnny Tarta.

2085
01:40:49,027 --> 01:40:51,507
Speaker 6: Cricket great art.

2086
01:40:53,147 --> 01:40:56,187
Speaker 4: John comes by crypto sacks down.

2087
01:40:56,707 --> 01:40:59,547
Speaker 7: But you say that Johnny Tarta, I bet really well.

2088
01:40:59,547 --> 01:41:01,067
Speaker 8: It's a case that went boats a p.

2089
01:41:01,827 --> 01:41:04,787
Speaker 2: Johnny Tata went down in five sets to Englishman Ryan

2090
01:41:04,907 --> 01:41:08,307
Speaker 2: Meekl in their second round clash after leading two sets

2091
01:41:08,307 --> 01:41:10,787
Speaker 2: to love. He would have been the first key we

2092
01:41:10,867 --> 01:41:14,107
Speaker 2: ever to advance to the third round. Our darts expert

2093
01:41:14,147 --> 01:41:18,027
Speaker 2: Ben Francis Joins has been how gutted will Johnny Tarta

2094
01:41:18,107 --> 01:41:20,787
Speaker 2: be that he led a two sets to love advantage

2095
01:41:20,827 --> 01:41:22,387
Speaker 2: slip in the second round?

2096
01:41:23,387 --> 01:41:23,587
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2097
01:41:23,627 --> 01:41:26,067
Speaker 7: Good, a piney look. I think definitely going to be.

2098
01:41:25,947 --> 01:41:29,187
Speaker 22: Disappointed because it's definitely an opportunity one that got away.

2099
01:41:29,547 --> 01:41:31,507
Speaker 7: As he said Ben, two sets.

2100
01:41:31,467 --> 01:41:34,747
Speaker 22: Up was a great opportunity, and he looked pretty decent

2101
01:41:34,827 --> 01:41:37,307
Speaker 22: heading into that third set as well, but just some

2102
01:41:37,387 --> 01:41:40,987
Speaker 22: of those missed opportunities at the doubles, some of the

2103
01:41:41,067 --> 01:41:43,667
Speaker 22: set up player as well just started to elude him.

2104
01:41:43,667 --> 01:41:46,107
Speaker 22: Because he made such a great start and a big

2105
01:41:46,147 --> 01:41:47,987
Speaker 22: reason why he got off to a good start. Was

2106
01:41:48,627 --> 01:41:50,227
Speaker 22: as I just touched on, was the set up place

2107
01:41:50,307 --> 01:41:52,587
Speaker 22: so that were quite often here had hit a good

2108
01:41:52,587 --> 01:41:54,747
Speaker 22: score like a one eighty or one forty to kind

2109
01:41:54,787 --> 01:41:56,947
Speaker 22: of leave a finish and that will put Ryan Meekl

2110
01:41:57,027 --> 01:42:00,587
Speaker 22: under pressure. He missed and Johnny capitalized. But as the

2111
01:42:00,627 --> 01:42:03,307
Speaker 22: game kind of progressed, those opportunities started fading.

2112
01:42:03,547 --> 01:42:05,187
Speaker 7: He wasn't hitting the scores as well.

2113
01:42:05,347 --> 01:42:07,587
Speaker 22: I don't want to say it was placency that probably

2114
01:42:07,587 --> 01:42:09,347
Speaker 22: played a part, but there could have been an element

2115
01:42:09,427 --> 01:42:11,547
Speaker 22: of that because you are up to nil, you're playing

2116
01:42:11,587 --> 01:42:13,507
Speaker 22: great here at nine one eighties in the game pinty,

2117
01:42:13,507 --> 01:42:15,907
Speaker 22: and that was probably one of the more incredible things,

2118
01:42:15,947 --> 01:42:18,347
Speaker 22: was just how accurate he was being. But it definitely

2119
01:42:18,427 --> 01:42:21,507
Speaker 22: wasn't missed opportunity for Johnny. But I think overall he

2120
01:42:21,507 --> 01:42:23,667
Speaker 22: should be very pleased with how far he's come in

2121
01:42:23,707 --> 01:42:26,627
Speaker 22: the last eighteen months. You know, you think back to

2122
01:42:27,147 --> 01:42:29,947
Speaker 22: the twenty twenty three New Zealand Darts Masters that was

2123
01:42:29,987 --> 01:42:33,147
Speaker 22: his first time playing on TV and now he's New Zealand's.

2124
01:42:32,827 --> 01:42:33,947
Speaker 7: Top player, number one player.

2125
01:42:34,027 --> 01:42:35,667
Speaker 22: So I think he's come a long way and he's

2126
01:42:35,667 --> 01:42:37,627
Speaker 22: definitely going to be better for the experience.

2127
01:42:37,827 --> 01:42:40,347
Speaker 2: Just before we move on from Johnny, is there any

2128
01:42:40,747 --> 01:42:43,027
Speaker 2: any chance that the occasion just got a bit too

2129
01:42:43,107 --> 01:42:45,747
Speaker 2: big for him? He seems so calm all the time.

2130
01:42:45,827 --> 01:42:47,747
Speaker 2: Even after the game, he looked calm. Do you think

2131
01:42:47,787 --> 01:42:50,747
Speaker 2: the occasion in any way might have overwhelmed him?

2132
01:42:51,947 --> 01:42:54,107
Speaker 22: You try, obviously, you try not think about those sort

2133
01:42:54,147 --> 01:42:56,827
Speaker 22: of things, but I mean it's easier to than done sometimes, right.

2134
01:42:57,547 --> 01:42:58,987
Speaker 22: I think there could have been an album to that.

2135
01:42:59,067 --> 01:43:02,427
Speaker 22: But I also saw that the head honcho, Barry Hearn

2136
01:43:02,507 --> 01:43:03,867
Speaker 22: was there, so I think if it was me, I

2137
01:43:03,867 --> 01:43:06,827
Speaker 22: would have been pretty nervous knowing the king King Hearn

2138
01:43:06,947 --> 01:43:09,147
Speaker 22: was there, But there could have been elements of that.

2139
01:43:09,467 --> 01:43:11,227
Speaker 22: You know, a guy like Ryan who's been on the

2140
01:43:11,267 --> 01:43:14,067
Speaker 22: tour for quite a few years, a few more experiences

2141
01:43:14,147 --> 01:43:16,907
Speaker 22: up on a stage like that, You know, it all

2142
01:43:17,267 --> 01:43:19,747
Speaker 22: plays a big part in it. But yeah, I think

2143
01:43:20,147 --> 01:43:21,507
Speaker 22: he's going to be better for the experience, and I

2144
01:43:21,547 --> 01:43:23,107
Speaker 22: think that's the positive we can take from it.

2145
01:43:23,387 --> 01:43:26,547
Speaker 2: Okay, the top five seeds all safely through Luke Littler,

2146
01:43:26,627 --> 01:43:29,987
Speaker 2: Luke Humphreys, Michael Van Gerwin, Stephen Bunting, Johnny Clayton. How

2147
01:43:30,067 --> 01:43:32,387
Speaker 2: warm a favorite is Luke Littler.

2148
01:43:33,507 --> 01:43:35,747
Speaker 22: I mean been the defending champion, being the guy that's

2149
01:43:35,827 --> 01:43:38,307
Speaker 22: dominated for most of the year, he is going to

2150
01:43:38,307 --> 01:43:40,787
Speaker 22: be the favorite to defend the title. I think the

2151
01:43:40,867 --> 01:43:42,947
Speaker 22: last player of those who go back to back off

2152
01:43:43,027 --> 01:43:44,907
Speaker 22: the top of my head was Gary Anderson, so and

2153
01:43:45,147 --> 01:43:47,907
Speaker 22: it has been a while between drinks since someone has

2154
01:43:47,987 --> 01:43:49,987
Speaker 22: done that, so it is going to be a little.

2155
01:43:49,747 --> 01:43:51,547
Speaker 7: Bit of history if he is to do it.

2156
01:43:52,147 --> 01:43:55,027
Speaker 22: As I touched on last week, Piney was that girlwin

2157
01:43:55,067 --> 01:43:56,987
Speaker 22: Price was probably going to be that main guy that

2158
01:43:57,067 --> 01:43:58,627
Speaker 22: was going to be a big contender for him, but

2159
01:43:58,667 --> 01:44:00,707
Speaker 22: girl and Price lost in the second round, which was

2160
01:44:01,027 --> 01:44:02,747
Speaker 22: quite an upset in terms of the.

2161
01:44:02,787 --> 01:44:04,147
Speaker 7: Manner of the way he lost.

2162
01:44:04,307 --> 01:44:07,627
Speaker 22: So that's that sexual The drawer has really opened up

2163
01:44:07,627 --> 01:44:09,707
Speaker 22: for Luke Leitlers, so it's going to be very interesting

2164
01:44:09,747 --> 01:44:12,707
Speaker 22: to see how he manages the rest of the games.

2165
01:44:12,707 --> 01:44:15,907
Speaker 7: He's played a guy meant to Stovich in the route

2166
01:44:15,947 --> 01:44:18,227
Speaker 7: that's starting tonight, and.

2167
01:44:18,947 --> 01:44:20,907
Speaker 22: He's a bit of a tricky customer, so it's going

2168
01:44:20,947 --> 01:44:22,987
Speaker 22: to be interesting to see how he handles that. Just

2169
01:44:23,027 --> 01:44:25,907
Speaker 22: because of the way Mentor throws, the time he actually

2170
01:44:25,907 --> 01:44:27,907
Speaker 22: takes to throw. A part of that is because of

2171
01:44:27,947 --> 01:44:30,227
Speaker 22: his history with a thing called dart itis, which is

2172
01:44:30,267 --> 01:44:32,067
Speaker 22: like the yips and golf. He has to get the

2173
01:44:32,147 --> 01:44:34,467
Speaker 22: dart perfectly and his hands so he can throw it.

2174
01:44:34,507 --> 01:44:36,947
Speaker 22: So there's a little couple of quirks there with mental

2175
01:44:37,027 --> 01:44:38,787
Speaker 22: which makes them a bit difficult.

2176
01:44:38,307 --> 01:44:41,387
Speaker 7: But it's all right. He should manage to get through

2177
01:44:41,387 --> 01:44:42,347
Speaker 7: that relatively easy.

2178
01:44:42,547 --> 01:44:44,387
Speaker 22: But I would expect he's got a pretty clear right

2179
01:44:44,467 --> 01:44:45,547
Speaker 22: now that Girl Price is.

2180
01:44:45,547 --> 01:44:48,907
Speaker 2: Gone, and as Luke Humphries his most likely challenger.

2181
01:44:49,827 --> 01:44:53,267
Speaker 22: You'd say yes, but there are a couple of guys

2182
01:44:53,347 --> 01:44:57,987
Speaker 22: in that section of the draw with Luke Humphreys.

2183
01:44:57,787 --> 01:45:00,227
Speaker 7: That have kind of got a good record against them.

2184
01:45:00,267 --> 01:45:02,507
Speaker 22: I think one guy I've touched on before as a

2185
01:45:02,547 --> 01:45:05,827
Speaker 22: young Dutchman by the man of Young Vanveen.

2186
01:45:05,707 --> 01:45:07,787
Speaker 7: Who's a very good up and coming player.

2187
01:45:08,147 --> 01:45:12,067
Speaker 22: He's had a pretty good record over Louke Humphreys in

2188
01:45:12,507 --> 01:45:15,427
Speaker 22: recent memories, so if they were to clash, that probably

2189
01:45:15,467 --> 01:45:17,907
Speaker 22: would be a game where he could get upset. But

2190
01:45:18,427 --> 01:45:20,547
Speaker 22: I think the way everything's tracking it, it was going

2191
01:45:20,587 --> 01:45:22,467
Speaker 22: to be a battle of the two looks, and rightfully so,

2192
01:45:22,547 --> 01:45:24,027
Speaker 22: because of the two best players in the world.

2193
01:45:24,467 --> 01:45:26,627
Speaker 2: We lost four of the top nine seeds, the top

2194
01:45:26,667 --> 01:45:29,187
Speaker 2: five all safely through, but Danny knopp At, James Wade,

2195
01:45:29,267 --> 01:45:32,627
Speaker 2: Chris Doby and Gerwin Price. As you mentioned, seeds six, seven,

2196
01:45:32,707 --> 01:45:35,907
Speaker 2: eight nine all eliminated. Was Price the biggest surprise and

2197
01:45:35,947 --> 01:45:37,107
Speaker 2: what about the other three?

2198
01:45:38,107 --> 01:45:39,587
Speaker 22: I think Danny Knopf it was a bit of a

2199
01:45:39,587 --> 01:45:41,587
Speaker 22: surprise actually because that was the section of the draw

2200
01:45:41,627 --> 01:45:43,707
Speaker 22: that Johnny Tata was on as well, So I think

2201
01:45:43,907 --> 01:45:46,307
Speaker 22: had Johnny wy it probably would have opened up for

2202
01:45:46,387 --> 01:45:48,307
Speaker 22: him quite a bit and they could have had the

2203
01:45:48,347 --> 01:45:51,747
Speaker 22: prospect of going further. But Danny's been quietly tugging along.

2204
01:45:51,787 --> 01:45:53,747
Speaker 22: He's never done that well of the World Champs though,

2205
01:45:53,827 --> 01:45:56,067
Speaker 22: which is an interesting thing in the player that he

2206
01:45:56,147 --> 01:45:59,307
Speaker 22: lost to Justin Hood as a ralse living new.

2207
01:45:59,227 --> 01:46:02,707
Speaker 7: Player, not really well known in major darting circles, and

2208
01:46:02,747 --> 01:46:04,147
Speaker 7: that was definitely the big one of his life.

2209
01:46:04,187 --> 01:46:06,987
Speaker 22: But I think in terms of probably an overall performance

2210
01:46:06,987 --> 01:46:09,907
Speaker 22: and the way going Price lost, and I think that

2211
01:46:09,987 --> 01:46:12,627
Speaker 22: probably was I would say probably the biggest surprise out

2212
01:46:12,667 --> 01:46:14,587
Speaker 22: of though that little chunk there in terms of the

2213
01:46:14,587 --> 01:46:16,187
Speaker 22: seated players losing in the second round.

2214
01:46:16,507 --> 01:46:19,427
Speaker 2: If you look at the player still remaining ben any

2215
01:46:19,547 --> 01:46:22,027
Speaker 2: dark horses, not necessarily to win it, but to go

2216
01:46:22,107 --> 01:46:23,747
Speaker 2: further than many would have expected.

2217
01:46:25,747 --> 01:46:27,827
Speaker 22: I mean, it's always it's always tricky with a question

2218
01:46:27,947 --> 01:46:29,987
Speaker 22: like that, because I think you can make a case

2219
01:46:30,027 --> 01:46:32,587
Speaker 22: for lots of these players, you know, going further than

2220
01:46:32,867 --> 01:46:34,667
Speaker 22: they are, and I think you have to look at

2221
01:46:34,707 --> 01:46:36,347
Speaker 22: some of those sections of the drawers that I say

2222
01:46:36,347 --> 01:46:39,947
Speaker 22: have opened up a little bit. Should Nathan Aspinal when

2223
01:46:39,987 --> 01:46:42,507
Speaker 22: I think he will face Luke Humphries, And Nathan Aspinal

2224
01:46:42,587 --> 01:46:44,627
Speaker 22: is a two time semi finalist at the World Champs,

2225
01:46:44,627 --> 01:46:46,787
Speaker 22: so he's going to you know, be a true customer

2226
01:46:47,187 --> 01:46:50,147
Speaker 22: should he face Luke Humphries. Is the young guy, Charlie Mamby,

2227
01:46:50,227 --> 01:46:52,627
Speaker 22: who has been very impressive, and look, he's got the

2228
01:46:52,667 --> 01:46:54,987
Speaker 22: capability of you know, causing a couple more upsets and

2229
01:46:55,067 --> 01:46:56,067
Speaker 22: going on a bit.

2230
01:46:55,947 --> 01:46:57,787
Speaker 7: Of a run with his section of the draw as well.

2231
01:46:57,907 --> 01:47:00,387
Speaker 22: So those are probably two guys and Van Been as

2232
01:47:00,387 --> 01:47:03,027
Speaker 22: well as another one who up until this year hadn't

2233
01:47:03,027 --> 01:47:04,587
Speaker 22: had a lot of success at the World Champs. But

2234
01:47:04,627 --> 01:47:06,947
Speaker 22: the way he's playing at the moment, he's probably I

2235
01:47:06,947 --> 01:47:09,307
Speaker 22: would say probably the next I'd probably rank them. In

2236
01:47:09,387 --> 01:47:11,467
Speaker 22: terms of the third player, I would think we should

2237
01:47:11,467 --> 01:47:13,467
Speaker 22: be favorite to win the tournament as it stands, but look,

2238
01:47:13,507 --> 01:47:15,907
Speaker 22: you can never count out guys as well, like Michael

2239
01:47:15,947 --> 01:47:18,467
Speaker 22: van Girl and Gary Anderson, these guys that have been there,

2240
01:47:18,507 --> 01:47:22,107
Speaker 22: done it, and are definitely capable of playing in those

2241
01:47:22,107 --> 01:47:23,507
Speaker 22: big stages in this big games.

2242
01:47:23,707 --> 01:47:27,467
Speaker 2: And how much does the quality of the darts typically

2243
01:47:27,587 --> 01:47:29,907
Speaker 2: ramp up after Christmas? Where we've got the you know,

2244
01:47:29,947 --> 01:47:32,507
Speaker 2: the the last thirty two. I think we're four sets,

2245
01:47:32,507 --> 01:47:35,547
Speaker 2: aren't we? Or sorry, first to four best of seven

2246
01:47:35,787 --> 01:47:38,347
Speaker 2: for this round anyway, how much does the quality of

2247
01:47:38,427 --> 01:47:40,627
Speaker 2: the darts typically ramp up after Christmas?

2248
01:47:41,107 --> 01:47:42,467
Speaker 7: Yeah, it usually ramps up quite a bit.

2249
01:47:42,507 --> 01:47:44,307
Speaker 22: Piiney. I think, like I said to you last week

2250
01:47:44,347 --> 01:47:46,547
Speaker 22: that in terms of those opening rounds, in terms of

2251
01:47:46,627 --> 01:47:49,187
Speaker 22: like the stories are these guys that we haven't really

2252
01:47:49,267 --> 01:47:52,747
Speaker 22: heard of that upset these pro players, Guys you know

2253
01:47:52,787 --> 01:47:54,867
Speaker 22: like Johnny Taza for example, a Kyi guy that not

2254
01:47:54,907 --> 01:47:56,467
Speaker 22: many people would know, but he goes and be to

2255
01:47:56,507 --> 01:47:58,667
Speaker 22: see the player. Those kind of like the stories that

2256
01:47:58,827 --> 01:48:00,347
Speaker 22: we like to see in the opening rounds, and as

2257
01:48:00,347 --> 01:48:02,667
Speaker 22: a tournament progresses, when we really see the cream of

2258
01:48:02,707 --> 01:48:05,707
Speaker 22: the crop come out, show their their skills and put

2259
01:48:05,747 --> 01:48:08,707
Speaker 22: up these biggure bridges, take out these clutch finishers and

2260
01:48:08,747 --> 01:48:12,827
Speaker 22: stuff like that. So I definitely expect that it's definitely

2261
01:48:12,827 --> 01:48:15,187
Speaker 22: going to be ramping up and with the prize.

2262
01:48:14,947 --> 01:48:15,547
Speaker 7: Money as well.

2263
01:48:15,547 --> 01:48:17,867
Speaker 22: The way it is now and what it could mean

2264
01:48:17,987 --> 01:48:21,587
Speaker 22: to some players in terms of ranking at opportunities, it's

2265
01:48:21,587 --> 01:48:24,467
Speaker 22: only going to get it's only going to get really tensified.

2266
01:48:24,667 --> 01:48:27,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait for the third round and beyond

2267
01:48:27,387 --> 01:48:29,947
Speaker 2: first matches our overnight tonight, New Zealand time, Ben, thank

2268
01:48:29,987 --> 01:48:32,707
Speaker 2: you for taking time from your trout fishing on Lake

2269
01:48:32,707 --> 01:48:33,787
Speaker 2: Top or are they biting?

2270
01:48:34,587 --> 01:48:34,787
Speaker 18: Yeah?

2271
01:48:34,987 --> 01:48:38,387
Speaker 22: Of course you hooks for today so far Finny Court

2272
01:48:38,787 --> 01:48:42,227
Speaker 22: keeps three so definitely going to be eating dinners and ice.

2273
01:48:42,267 --> 01:48:44,627
Speaker 7: So it's been a grace warning us on the lake.

2274
01:48:44,947 --> 01:48:47,467
Speaker 2: Wonderful stuff, mate, Thanks for joining us. We'll hopefully chat

2275
01:48:47,467 --> 01:48:50,067
Speaker 2: again next weekend. Chess bindy, thank you mate. That has

2276
01:48:50,387 --> 01:48:54,307
Speaker 2: been Francis from Lake topor Darts corresponded. So into the

2277
01:48:54,547 --> 01:48:57,747
Speaker 2: third round the last thirty two starting overnight tonight lunch

2278
01:48:57,747 --> 01:49:01,547
Speaker 2: at the mcg Australian ninety eight for six, ninety eight

2279
01:49:01,547 --> 01:49:04,227
Speaker 2: for six, a leader of one hundred and forty with

2280
01:49:04,347 --> 01:49:08,227
Speaker 2: four second innings wickets in hand. This game could finish today,

2281
01:49:08,507 --> 01:49:11,867
Speaker 2: It really could. Two fault sessions to go at least

2282
01:49:11,867 --> 01:49:13,307
Speaker 2: take a break. When we come back for the last

2283
01:49:13,347 --> 01:49:16,227
Speaker 2: time in twenty twenty five, we go state side Leon Busby,

2284
01:49:16,547 --> 01:49:18,227
Speaker 2: our American sports expert.

2285
01:49:18,267 --> 01:49:23,427
Speaker 1: Right after this one crunch Hold engaged Weekend Sports with

2286
01:49:23,587 --> 01:49:27,947
Speaker 1: Jason Hym and GJ. Gunnerhomes New Zealand's first trusted Oemlder

2287
01:49:28,107 --> 01:49:29,107
Speaker 1: News talk to Bailey.

2288
01:49:29,587 --> 01:49:32,547
Speaker 2: Coming up nineteen away from three for the final time

2289
01:49:32,587 --> 01:49:35,347
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, Let's take your state side. Our

2290
01:49:35,387 --> 01:49:37,867
Speaker 2: American sports expert, Leon Busby is here.

2291
01:49:37,987 --> 01:49:38,187
Speaker 7: Leon.

2292
01:49:38,187 --> 01:49:40,667
Speaker 2: I want to talk some college football and NFL with you.

2293
01:49:41,107 --> 01:49:44,107
Speaker 2: Can we start with the NBA though and the NBA Cup. Now,

2294
01:49:44,107 --> 01:49:47,027
Speaker 2: this is the in season tournament. Have I got that right?

2295
01:49:48,347 --> 01:49:48,547
Speaker 19: Yeah?

2296
01:49:48,547 --> 01:49:50,987
Speaker 15: You right? Be a pony serves. Ten days ago, the

2297
01:49:51,027 --> 01:49:53,507
Speaker 15: New York Knicks they won their first piece of silverwear

2298
01:49:53,547 --> 01:49:55,827
Speaker 15: for the first time in the fifty two years when

2299
01:49:55,867 --> 01:49:58,427
Speaker 15: they defeated the Senate Tournio Spurs one hundred and twenty

2300
01:49:58,467 --> 01:50:00,267
Speaker 15: four one hundred and thirty.

2301
01:50:00,027 --> 01:50:00,987
Speaker 7: In Las Vegas.

2302
01:50:01,107 --> 01:50:04,907
Speaker 15: They're lifted the NBA Cup bid by Starwood Galen Brunson,

2303
01:50:05,307 --> 01:50:08,987
Speaker 15: who was named I guess expectedly took them an MVP. Now,

2304
01:50:08,987 --> 01:50:11,587
Speaker 15: the last time I was on I mentioned the great

2305
01:50:11,667 --> 01:50:14,707
Speaker 15: Kobe Bryant and how he spoke passionately, how the only

2306
01:50:14,747 --> 01:50:17,587
Speaker 15: banners that should be hanging from the raft the rafters

2307
01:50:17,587 --> 01:50:21,747
Speaker 15: are those that celebrated championships said, Thankfully, the Knicks have

2308
01:50:21,827 --> 01:50:24,547
Speaker 15: adopted that same attitude, and despite pusher from the NBA

2309
01:50:24,627 --> 01:50:26,987
Speaker 15: head office, they will not be hanging a cup bender,

2310
01:50:26,987 --> 01:50:29,187
Speaker 15: which I personally agree with. I don't like to La

2311
01:50:29,347 --> 01:50:31,587
Speaker 15: Lakers and Milwaukee Bucky churs to hang a ban, which

2312
01:50:31,627 --> 01:50:34,507
Speaker 15: I feel is not a good look. Finy, No, you.

2313
01:50:34,627 --> 01:50:37,027
Speaker 2: Just you hang it for the main championship, Leon, I

2314
01:50:37,147 --> 01:50:40,187
Speaker 2: totally agree with you. I totally agree with you. We'll

2315
01:50:40,227 --> 01:50:41,667
Speaker 2: let him look where we are what to be. It's

2316
01:50:41,667 --> 01:50:43,987
Speaker 2: an eighty two game regular season. We're sort of thirty

2317
01:50:44,067 --> 01:50:46,467
Speaker 2: games in or so, so I guess just over a

2318
01:50:46,507 --> 01:50:49,107
Speaker 2: third urge leading the standings in the East and the West.

2319
01:50:50,267 --> 01:50:52,067
Speaker 15: Yes, so as you are lunat you knew in the

2320
01:50:52,067 --> 01:50:55,427
Speaker 15: halfway stage of the regular season in the East, leading

2321
01:50:55,427 --> 01:50:59,467
Speaker 15: the standings of the Detroit Pistons, the Knicks, the Boston Celtics,

2322
01:50:59,827 --> 01:51:02,987
Speaker 15: the Toronto Raptors, and the Philadelphia seventy six is rounding

2323
01:51:03,027 --> 01:51:05,067
Speaker 15: up the top five. Now out on the West of

2324
01:51:05,147 --> 01:51:08,707
Speaker 15: defending champion Okay's Thunder lead the league with the twenty

2325
01:51:08,747 --> 01:51:12,827
Speaker 15: six and five records, followed by the Spurs, the Denver Nuggets,

2326
01:51:12,867 --> 01:51:14,947
Speaker 15: the Lakers, and the Minnesota Timberwolf.

2327
01:51:15,947 --> 01:51:17,907
Speaker 2: Are there any big names on the trade block?

2328
01:51:19,427 --> 01:51:21,867
Speaker 15: Yes? In terms of trade news, is really only a

2329
01:51:21,947 --> 01:51:25,667
Speaker 15: couple of names on the lips of fans. Janis Kompo

2330
01:51:25,867 --> 01:51:28,987
Speaker 15: from the Bucks and Anthony Davis from the Dallas Mavericks.

2331
01:51:29,267 --> 01:51:32,467
Speaker 15: Now the Greek Freak and Ada dominating trade roomors with

2332
01:51:32,547 --> 01:51:36,387
Speaker 15: the NBA trade deadline moving on February five. Both the

2333
01:51:36,467 --> 01:51:39,947
Speaker 15: league players are one time NBA champions, while Giannis there's

2334
01:51:39,987 --> 01:51:43,307
Speaker 15: also a two time league MVP, so they won't come cheap.

2335
01:51:43,467 --> 01:51:45,787
Speaker 15: So there's a lot of speculation where they may land,

2336
01:51:46,147 --> 01:51:49,707
Speaker 15: especially as openly said that New York would be his

2337
01:51:49,827 --> 01:51:53,267
Speaker 15: preferred option. If indeed he does ships, they will cently

2338
01:51:53,307 --> 01:51:54,507
Speaker 15: be keeping eyes on that pony.

2339
01:51:55,867 --> 01:51:58,987
Speaker 2: Is it too early to start having an MVP conversation

2340
01:51:59,187 --> 01:52:02,107
Speaker 2: or of those discussions are started, I guess fans will

2341
01:52:02,147 --> 01:52:04,427
Speaker 2: be starting to talk about who might be in that

2342
01:52:04,587 --> 01:52:05,627
Speaker 2: MVP conversation.

2343
01:52:06,667 --> 01:52:08,467
Speaker 15: Yeah, so it's never two billion. If you look at

2344
01:52:08,467 --> 01:52:11,747
Speaker 15: the MVP letter, it hasn't really changed in recent months

2345
01:52:11,787 --> 01:52:15,067
Speaker 15: with the usual suspect with the Joker ANDHGA are the

2346
01:52:15,147 --> 01:52:17,827
Speaker 15: too clear? I guess they're in a two horse race

2347
01:52:17,867 --> 01:52:20,507
Speaker 15: at the moment for the award, with Luca Donte to

2348
01:52:20,547 --> 01:52:23,587
Speaker 15: the Lakers, Kate Cunningham of the Pitstons, and Brunton of

2349
01:52:23,627 --> 01:52:26,267
Speaker 15: the Knicks rounding out the top five. They just in cash,

2350
01:52:26,307 --> 01:52:29,387
Speaker 15: your listeners are unaware, Pony. To be eligible for the

2351
01:52:29,467 --> 01:52:32,347
Speaker 15: MVP Award, you have to play a minimum of sixty

2352
01:52:32,387 --> 01:52:35,147
Speaker 15: five games in the regular season. As you alluded to,

2353
01:52:35,147 --> 01:52:37,467
Speaker 15: it's eighty two regular season games, so you have to

2354
01:52:37,467 --> 01:52:39,987
Speaker 15: play at least sixty five games to be considered for

2355
01:52:40,027 --> 01:52:43,787
Speaker 15: that award. All right, yeah, sorry, care on.

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01:52:43,787 --> 01:52:45,947
Speaker 2: Pony, No, it's just going to ask. I mean, I

2357
01:52:45,987 --> 01:52:48,747
Speaker 2: know there's betting markets out for favorites to win the

2358
01:52:48,827 --> 01:52:50,907
Speaker 2: NBA and to win the MVP Awards, So what are

2359
01:52:50,907 --> 01:52:52,027
Speaker 2: they telling us?

2360
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Speaker 15: Yes, so at the moment, like you look at SGA, right,

2361
01:52:55,947 --> 01:52:58,147
Speaker 15: I mean, he won the award last year. He led

2362
01:52:58,147 --> 01:53:00,267
Speaker 15: his team to the TV to say he's on an

2363
01:53:00,347 --> 01:53:03,307
Speaker 15: unbelievable chair right now. The Canadian has ninety four This

2364
01:53:03,467 --> 01:53:06,827
Speaker 15: is crazy, ninety four straight games with at least twenty

2365
01:53:06,867 --> 01:53:09,867
Speaker 15: points sticking all time, only to you might have to

2366
01:53:09,907 --> 01:53:12,627
Speaker 15: the sky Will Chamberlain, who's one hundred and twenty six.

2367
01:53:12,707 --> 01:53:17,067
Speaker 15: So by comparison, Lebron James bearstreak is forty nine and

2368
01:53:17,107 --> 01:53:20,347
Speaker 15: Steph Curry's is twenty three. So however, Jokis is still

2369
01:53:20,347 --> 01:53:24,627
Speaker 15: doing Yokis things, creating history most nights. The Stubian Superstar

2370
01:53:24,747 --> 01:53:29,587
Speaker 15: yesterday recorded as fifteenth triple double from thirty games this year,

2371
01:53:29,667 --> 01:53:33,787
Speaker 15: dropping fifty six points, sixteen boards, and fifteen assists and

2372
01:53:33,827 --> 01:53:38,347
Speaker 15: a three and overtime one thirty eight win over the Timberwolves.

2373
01:53:38,347 --> 01:53:40,907
Speaker 15: Done the process, the three time MVP also break a

2374
01:53:40,947 --> 01:53:45,187
Speaker 15: record set by Steph Curry in twenty sixteen by scoring

2375
01:53:45,227 --> 01:53:48,507
Speaker 15: eighteen points in overtime, and to top it off, created

2376
01:53:48,667 --> 01:53:51,987
Speaker 15: NBA history again by becoming the first players had at

2377
01:53:52,107 --> 01:53:56,027
Speaker 15: least fifty five fifteen and fifteen and a triple double. Currently,

2378
01:53:56,067 --> 01:53:59,147
Speaker 15: he's the only active player averaging a triple double and

2379
01:53:59,187 --> 01:54:01,867
Speaker 15: remains on a higher all round offensive plan. They just

2380
01:54:02,027 --> 01:54:05,467
Speaker 15: about everyone else and no remember alone Jokis averaged thirty

2381
01:54:05,507 --> 01:54:08,867
Speaker 15: two to eleven and eleven. It's quite remarkable what he's doing. Pony,

2382
01:54:09,067 --> 01:54:11,267
Speaker 15: and for most party just strikes it off and always

2383
01:54:11,307 --> 01:54:14,107
Speaker 15: focuses as postmatch comments on the team to craz.

2384
01:54:13,987 --> 01:54:18,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible, incredible numbers that he is pulling out. Yeah,

2385
01:54:18,267 --> 01:54:20,747
Speaker 2: I want to move to college football. The Heisman Trophy,

2386
01:54:20,787 --> 01:54:23,347
Speaker 2: Now this is for the top player in college football,

2387
01:54:23,387 --> 01:54:24,747
Speaker 2: isn't it? Has this been handed out?

2388
01:54:25,907 --> 01:54:26,107
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2389
01:54:26,147 --> 01:54:29,187
Speaker 15: So this is considered one of the most prestigious individual

2390
01:54:29,227 --> 01:54:32,147
Speaker 15: awards in all American sports. Are Two weeks ago the

2391
01:54:32,187 --> 01:54:36,627
Speaker 15: annual Heisman Trophy ceremony took place. Indiana quarterback Fernando Mendoza

2392
01:54:36,827 --> 01:54:39,107
Speaker 15: etched his name into college football history by winning the

2393
01:54:39,107 --> 01:54:43,507
Speaker 15: prestigious award force performance in the twenty twenty five season. Mendoza,

2394
01:54:43,667 --> 01:54:47,147
Speaker 15: in this first season of Bloomington Leather Hoosia's historically known

2395
01:54:47,187 --> 01:54:50,547
Speaker 15: for their strong basketball program, to an undefeated thirteen to

2396
01:54:50,667 --> 01:54:53,987
Speaker 15: oer record and the program's first Big ten puddle since

2397
01:54:54,147 --> 01:54:57,587
Speaker 15: nineteen forty five. He'd be three other finalists who made

2398
01:54:57,627 --> 01:54:59,707
Speaker 15: the trip to New York City and was very humble

2399
01:54:59,827 --> 01:55:02,187
Speaker 15: during his acceptance speech. It was well deserved.

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01:55:02,507 --> 01:55:05,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff. Now that would be wouldn't be playoffs

2401
01:55:05,907 --> 01:55:08,507
Speaker 2: without about controversy anything to tell us here?

2402
01:55:09,467 --> 01:55:10,227
Speaker 9: Yes, So when the.

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01:55:10,147 --> 01:55:12,387
Speaker 15: Regular season first for college football, there was a lot

2404
01:55:12,427 --> 01:55:14,907
Speaker 15: of talk about which teams did and did not make

2405
01:55:14,947 --> 01:55:17,307
Speaker 15: the playoffs. So this seems to be the biggest sticking

2406
01:55:17,347 --> 01:55:20,147
Speaker 15: point with college football right now, and most analysts are

2407
01:55:20,147 --> 01:55:22,907
Speaker 15: saying that the only way to avoid this missy situation

2408
01:55:23,467 --> 01:55:25,907
Speaker 15: in the future is to expand a number of teams

2409
01:55:26,067 --> 01:55:29,067
Speaker 15: from twelve to sixteen, if not more so, most schools

2410
01:55:29,107 --> 01:55:32,427
Speaker 15: would prefer this option and would be collectively rubbing their

2411
01:55:32,427 --> 01:55:35,347
Speaker 15: hands together with glee for one reason alone, the power

2412
01:55:35,387 --> 01:55:37,907
Speaker 15: of your mighty dollar. The bottom line, poney, is that

2413
01:55:38,107 --> 01:55:41,387
Speaker 15: money is that money speaks in sports much louder than

2414
01:55:41,387 --> 01:55:42,987
Speaker 15: anything else. And not see it there.

2415
01:55:43,027 --> 01:55:45,107
Speaker 2: I think I think Gil might be right. So the

2416
01:55:45,107 --> 01:55:47,987
Speaker 2: way the college football playoff bracket works, from what I

2417
01:55:47,987 --> 01:55:50,187
Speaker 2: can see here, and you'll correct me, the top four

2418
01:55:50,307 --> 01:55:52,507
Speaker 2: goes straight through to the quarter finals. There are there's

2419
01:55:52,547 --> 01:55:54,987
Speaker 2: the first round, but we're at the quarterfinal stage now,

2420
01:55:55,027 --> 01:55:55,507
Speaker 2: aren't we.

2421
01:55:56,587 --> 01:55:59,467
Speaker 15: Yeh So at the post so you hear a lot

2422
01:55:59,507 --> 01:56:01,747
Speaker 15: about they have these so called bowl games with those

2423
01:56:01,747 --> 01:56:03,787
Speaker 15: are just pretty much money grabbing things for schools you

2424
01:56:03,867 --> 01:56:07,667
Speaker 15: don't make the playoffs. They're starting this Friday, the defending

2425
01:56:07,747 --> 01:56:12,587
Speaker 15: champion Ohio State playing Miami. Then on Saturday, Georgia versus

2426
01:56:12,587 --> 01:56:16,707
Speaker 15: Old Miss Indiana versus Alabama and Friday, Texas Tech versus Oregon.

2427
01:56:16,907 --> 01:56:18,747
Speaker 15: So yeah, you were saying the luxury is that those

2428
01:56:18,787 --> 01:56:21,387
Speaker 15: teams that qualified the highest, they get a rest or

2429
01:56:21,587 --> 01:56:24,387
Speaker 15: buy it. And so the semis Are Spain is later

2430
01:56:24,387 --> 01:56:27,507
Speaker 15: on for January ten and eleven, while the National Championship

2431
01:56:27,507 --> 01:56:30,107
Speaker 15: game is actually on January twenty first, pinety in Florida.

2432
01:56:30,347 --> 01:56:31,507
Speaker 7: Yeah, gotta got a winner.

2433
01:56:31,507 --> 01:56:34,827
Speaker 2: Firstly, on got a winner. Who would Ohio state back

2434
01:56:34,867 --> 01:56:34,987
Speaker 2: to that?

2435
01:56:35,307 --> 01:56:36,787
Speaker 15: But you know I'm going to sit on the fence

2436
01:56:36,827 --> 01:56:40,587
Speaker 15: with this. Yeah, yeah, I know. I don't normally say that,

2437
01:56:40,707 --> 01:56:42,747
Speaker 15: but this is a tough one the pick because I

2438
01:56:42,787 --> 01:56:47,347
Speaker 15: think most people we are expecting probably Georgia, a higher state,

2439
01:56:47,387 --> 01:56:50,787
Speaker 15: but when our higher state lost their their final two Indiana,

2440
01:56:50,787 --> 01:56:52,107
Speaker 15: I think it's sort of thrown a bit of a

2441
01:56:52,147 --> 01:56:54,067
Speaker 15: spin in the works there. So I think I'll stay

2442
01:56:54,067 --> 01:56:55,027
Speaker 15: YouTube on this on Pony.

2443
01:56:55,547 --> 01:56:57,267
Speaker 2: I don't mind it. I don't mind it. It's a

2444
01:56:57,387 --> 01:57:01,187
Speaker 2: very sensible, sensible approach. Let's go to the NFL. Been

2445
01:57:01,227 --> 01:57:04,027
Speaker 2: a bit of a head coaching carousel in the NFL.

2446
01:57:05,067 --> 01:57:07,787
Speaker 15: Yes, there's a lot of rumors going on. As per

2447
01:57:08,027 --> 01:57:11,427
Speaker 15: ESPN's Adam Schefter, he's a ciar NFL Insider for the network.

2448
01:57:11,907 --> 01:57:14,387
Speaker 15: He's projected there will be anywhere between seven and nine

2449
01:57:14,467 --> 01:57:17,427
Speaker 15: openings as the regular season comes to close. There At

2450
01:57:17,427 --> 01:57:20,987
Speaker 15: this time, there are already two vacancies, and Monday, January

2451
01:57:20,987 --> 01:57:23,747
Speaker 15: five will be the day of reckoning, commonly referred to

2452
01:57:23,747 --> 01:57:26,587
Speaker 15: as Black Monday. Now, this term originated in the late

2453
01:57:26,667 --> 01:57:29,947
Speaker 15: nineteen nineties and has since become synonymous with the first

2454
01:57:30,027 --> 01:57:33,587
Speaker 15: Monday following the competion of the regular season, with many coaches,

2455
01:57:34,027 --> 01:57:36,867
Speaker 15: assistance as well, and even some front office staff are

2456
01:57:36,907 --> 01:57:39,907
Speaker 15: let go due to a team's poor performance. Now, remember,

2457
01:57:39,947 --> 01:57:42,867
Speaker 15: there are only thirty two head coaching positions in the NFL,

2458
01:57:43,187 --> 01:57:45,267
Speaker 15: and teams are hot. Yeah, to become a coach that's

2459
01:57:45,347 --> 01:57:49,107
Speaker 15: highly sought after in terms of financial remuneration and prestige.

2460
01:57:49,267 --> 01:57:50,987
Speaker 15: The good luck if you can get it, Pliny.

2461
01:57:51,267 --> 01:57:55,227
Speaker 2: Absolutely so. Tell us who's leading the AFC and the

2462
01:57:55,387 --> 01:57:57,187
Speaker 2: NFC with what only a couple of games to go?

2463
01:57:58,307 --> 01:57:58,547
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2464
01:57:58,587 --> 01:58:01,627
Speaker 15: So, in terms of current conference standings, the AFC has

2465
01:58:01,627 --> 01:58:03,827
Speaker 15: a Denver Broncos as the number one seed with the

2466
01:58:03,827 --> 01:58:06,507
Speaker 15: best overall record in the league, followed by the New

2467
01:58:06,507 --> 01:58:11,227
Speaker 15: England Patriots, Jacksonville Jaguars, Pittsburgh Steelers, LA Chargers and the

2468
01:58:11,227 --> 01:58:13,987
Speaker 15: Buffalo Bills. The Steelers are the only team not to

2469
01:58:14,027 --> 01:58:16,667
Speaker 15: have conched a playoff birth yet so Over in the NFC,

2470
01:58:17,187 --> 01:58:19,987
Speaker 15: the Piattle Seahawks are seated at number one, followed by

2471
01:58:20,027 --> 01:58:24,987
Speaker 15: the Chicago Bears, the defending champ in Philadelphia Eagles, Carolina Panthers,

2472
01:58:25,227 --> 01:58:27,907
Speaker 15: San Francisco forty nine Ers, LA Rams, and the Green

2473
01:58:27,947 --> 01:58:30,627
Speaker 15: Bay Packers. So the Panthers there are the only team

2474
01:58:30,827 --> 01:58:33,067
Speaker 15: yet the clincher playoff spot as well.

2475
01:58:34,027 --> 01:58:35,867
Speaker 2: Have you got the latest starts for us on MVP

2476
01:58:36,187 --> 01:58:38,707
Speaker 2: in the NFL yep.

2477
01:58:38,947 --> 01:58:41,947
Speaker 15: So like the NBA, the pretty nice for MVP in

2478
01:58:41,987 --> 01:58:44,227
Speaker 15: the Super Bowl win. I'm very open more southern in

2479
01:58:44,267 --> 01:58:48,107
Speaker 15: recent years, so the Rams. The LA Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford.

2480
01:58:48,387 --> 01:58:51,587
Speaker 15: He remains the firm favorite and most beating circles, despite

2481
01:58:51,587 --> 01:58:54,947
Speaker 15: the Patriots Drake May and reigning MVP Josh Allen for

2482
01:58:54,987 --> 01:58:57,987
Speaker 15: the Bills closing the gap. Now, the latest NFL Powell

2483
01:58:58,027 --> 01:59:01,747
Speaker 15: rankings point to the LA Rams, followed by the Seattle Seahawks,

2484
01:59:02,027 --> 01:59:08,227
Speaker 15: the Buffalo Bulls, the Philadelphia Eagles, the Broncos, the Denver Broncos,

2485
01:59:08,267 --> 01:59:10,587
Speaker 15: and the New England Patriots rounding out the top six.

2486
01:59:11,027 --> 01:59:13,947
Speaker 15: So as always, the biggest determining fact it will again

2487
01:59:14,027 --> 01:59:16,947
Speaker 15: be which team stays healthy and has the deeper roster

2488
01:59:16,987 --> 01:59:19,187
Speaker 15: when injuries doing evidabody happened fining.

2489
01:59:19,627 --> 01:59:21,227
Speaker 2: So only a couple of our rounds to go. I

2490
01:59:21,227 --> 01:59:23,867
Speaker 2: think Round seventeen got under why yesterday with three games

2491
01:59:23,907 --> 01:59:25,987
Speaker 2: if you want to come and then Round eighteen any

2492
01:59:26,027 --> 01:59:27,787
Speaker 2: games and particularly you've got your eyes.

2493
01:59:27,627 --> 01:59:30,187
Speaker 15: On yes, Let's take a look at some of the

2494
01:59:30,267 --> 01:59:32,867
Speaker 15: marquee matchups over the final two rounds. The only games

2495
01:59:32,867 --> 01:59:35,587
Speaker 15: are really matter with the playoffs, Bloomy, Let's look at

2496
01:59:35,627 --> 01:59:38,827
Speaker 15: the AFC that the clash tomorrow with the Chargers hosting

2497
01:59:38,867 --> 01:59:41,227
Speaker 15: the Texans. That should be a really good game. I

2498
01:59:41,227 --> 01:59:43,387
Speaker 15: think the Texans have won like five or six games

2499
01:59:43,387 --> 01:59:45,467
Speaker 15: in the race and they're on a real role. Bobby Dangerous.

2500
01:59:45,467 --> 01:59:49,027
Speaker 15: On Monday, three pivotal games of the Panthers hosting the Seahawks,

2501
01:59:49,467 --> 01:59:51,627
Speaker 15: the Bills hosting the Eagles, and the Beans away to

2502
01:59:51,667 --> 01:59:54,227
Speaker 15: the forty nine Ers. Now the following and final week

2503
01:59:54,267 --> 01:59:57,507
Speaker 15: of the regular season, he's a Broncos hosting the Chargers

2504
01:59:57,747 --> 02:00:00,147
Speaker 15: and the Seahawks on the road at the forty nine Ers.

2505
02:00:00,387 --> 02:00:02,307
Speaker 15: I'm a bit handed, and again to pick an eventual

2506
02:00:02,347 --> 02:00:04,427
Speaker 15: Super Bowl when a point at the status these last

2507
02:00:04,507 --> 02:00:06,867
Speaker 15: couple of weeks will give us a c put on

2508
02:00:06,907 --> 02:00:09,147
Speaker 15: which tube will have the bit of path the Super

2509
02:00:09,147 --> 02:00:13,227
Speaker 15: Bowl sixty Net Beanstead, Poney, I'm Timmy clean more towards

2510
02:00:13,347 --> 02:00:16,427
Speaker 15: La Rams from the NFC and the Houston Dixons from

2511
02:00:16,467 --> 02:00:19,667
Speaker 15: the AFC to Lockhorns in San Francisco for the Vince

2512
02:00:19,707 --> 02:00:22,667
Speaker 15: long Body Tract to appropriate again. Thanks for having me

2513
02:00:22,747 --> 02:00:24,947
Speaker 15: on again today, Piney the opportunity through up to see

2514
02:00:24,987 --> 02:00:27,427
Speaker 15: this year, my thoughts on stateside, have a say, a

2515
02:00:27,427 --> 02:00:29,107
Speaker 15: few years with the family and all the bits to

2516
02:00:29,107 --> 02:00:30,987
Speaker 15: you and your listeners in twenty twenty six. Mates.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're a good man, Leon. Thanks so much for

2518
02:00:33,187 --> 02:00:33,547
Speaker 2: joining us.

2519
02:00:33,587 --> 02:00:33,747
Speaker 10: Mate.

2520
02:00:33,747 --> 02:00:36,467
Speaker 2: We've loved your contributions across the year and we'll pick

2521
02:00:36,507 --> 02:00:38,227
Speaker 2: it up again early in twenty twenty six. I can

2522
02:00:38,267 --> 02:00:40,507
Speaker 2: tell you as well as you know, my son Johnny

2523
02:00:40,547 --> 02:00:42,627
Speaker 2: is a big NFL fan, and I asked him yesterday

2524
02:00:42,627 --> 02:00:44,467
Speaker 2: I heard about Chet who he was picking for the

2525
02:00:44,507 --> 02:00:46,347
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and he said the La Rams as well.

2526
02:00:46,547 --> 02:00:48,387
Speaker 2: So sounds as though you and he are on the

2527
02:00:48,427 --> 02:00:50,667
Speaker 2: same wave length. Good on you, mate, Leon Busby, state

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Speaker 2: Side our American sports expert eight away from three News

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Speaker 2: Talks itb.

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Speaker 4: When it's down to the line. You made a call

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Speaker 4: on eight hundred eighty.

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Speaker 1: Ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Hine News Talks EB.

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Speaker 2: Coming up four and a half to three. That is

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Speaker 2: us on weekends. I bought four today. Just a reminder,

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Speaker 2: tomorrow's show, the final show on Weekend Sport anyway for

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five is our traditional year in reviews. So

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Speaker 2: between midday and three tomorrow, some of our favorite interviews

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Speaker 2: from the year, some of the most controversial moments, some

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Speaker 2: wrap it all in three hours tomorrow between midday and

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Speaker 2: three our year in Review show after three summer weekends

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Speaker 2: with Max Toll. Huge thanks to Tyra for producing today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much indeed, Tyra, and I'll see you tomorrow

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Speaker 2: taking us out today. Well, the Darts is on again

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Speaker 2: from tonight and as you know, they all have their

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Speaker 2: walkout songs and voted beast walkout song and a poll

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Speaker 2: David Guetta certainly gets the crowd going at Ali Palley.

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Speaker 2: That's for sure that's taken us out today, see you

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Speaker 2: tomorrow for the year in review. On Weekend Sport, have

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Speaker 2: an excellent Settle afternoon by now.

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