WEBVTT - Leighton Smith Podcast #259 - October 9th 2024 - Patrick Basham 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talks a B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:16.213 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:16.773 --> 0:00:19.813 It's time from all the Attitude, all the opinion, all 0:00:19.853 --> 0:00:24.333 the information, all the debates of the US, Now the 0:00:24.533 --> 0:00:27.733 Leyton Smith Podcast powered by News Talks it B. 0:00:28.213 --> 0:00:31.693 Welcome to Podcasts two hundred and fifty nine for October nine, 0:00:31.813 --> 0:00:35.333 twenty twenty four. There's a handful of contributors who have 0:00:35.613 --> 0:00:39.533 guested on my broadcast radio and podcast over the years. 0:00:39.893 --> 0:00:43.333 A small group of individuals who are frequently inquired about, 0:00:43.493 --> 0:00:46.973 as in when is ex y or Z going to 0:00:47.013 --> 0:00:50.733 be on again? Patrick Basham is one example, more particularly 0:00:50.853 --> 0:00:54.293 at the moment because of the presidential election, and in 0:00:54.293 --> 0:00:58.133 two five nine he doesn't disappoint, and via the Daily Express, 0:00:58.253 --> 0:01:01.973 Patrick has some new and fresh polling numbers. Again. He 0:01:02.053 --> 0:01:06.053 details the methodology used by Democracy Institute in gathering them, 0:01:06.213 --> 0:01:09.933 and it's proved to be very reliable. However, that aside, 0:01:10.053 --> 0:01:12.333 I woke up this morning feeling different, a different frame 0:01:12.373 --> 0:01:14.893 of mind, if you like. Can't explain it, but can 0:01:14.973 --> 0:01:19.053 say that it's denying me the desire to be too serious. 0:01:19.533 --> 0:01:23.493 So after the mail room, I'll reveal what Jeremy Clarkson 0:01:23.653 --> 0:01:26.493 and I have in common. That is probably not what 0:01:26.573 --> 0:01:30.493 you think. But first, on the subject of multiculturalism, which 0:01:30.773 --> 0:01:33.773 seems to be plaguing the world at the moment, there's 0:01:33.773 --> 0:01:36.653 a few references I'd like to make mention of. In 0:01:36.693 --> 0:01:41.093 twenty eleven, a Muslim from Canada named Salem men Surr 0:01:42.213 --> 0:01:46.773 wrote a book called Delectable Lie, a Liberal repudiation of Multiculturalism. 0:01:47.373 --> 0:01:49.333 It was a book that, well, let me put it 0:01:49.373 --> 0:01:53.573 this way. My point is that although multiculturalism once seemed 0:01:53.613 --> 0:01:56.773 a very good idea, at least to politicians and others 0:01:56.973 --> 0:02:00.693 smitten with the ambition for unity, it is increasingly shown 0:02:00.733 --> 0:02:03.893 to be a lie, a delectable lie, perhaps yet a 0:02:03.933 --> 0:02:08.733 lie nevertheless that is destructive of the West's life, liberal 0:02:08.773 --> 0:02:13.213 democratic heritage, its tradition and values based on individual rights 0:02:13.213 --> 0:02:17.493 and freedoms. This could have been foretold, as indeed, those 0:02:17.533 --> 0:02:23.413 philosophers and historians of ideas who viewed freedom as immeasurably 0:02:23.453 --> 0:02:26.213 more important than equality in the development of the West 0:02:26.733 --> 0:02:31.693 did foretell. They admonished people against the temptation to abridge 0:02:31.693 --> 0:02:35.813 freedom in pursuit of equality. Now that's a very telling 0:02:35.933 --> 0:02:38.733 little paragraph, And there is much more to it, of course, 0:02:39.013 --> 0:02:41.693 especially in Canada, which seems to have led the way 0:02:41.813 --> 0:02:45.253 over the years of trying to abridge this problem. Now 0:02:45.293 --> 0:02:48.773 in Australia. Over the weekend, of course, there were lots 0:02:48.773 --> 0:02:52.533 of demonstrations, and some of them pretty vicious. Nick Cator, 0:02:52.653 --> 0:02:55.973 writing in The Australian under the heading of failure of 0:02:56.053 --> 0:03:00.693 leadership has led to ugly tribalism on streets and university campuses, 0:03:01.013 --> 0:03:05.213 wrote some extremely good commentary, referring to a speech, one 0:03:05.253 --> 0:03:10.133 speech in particular, but some more in general. He said 0:03:10.373 --> 0:03:14.213 that hideous distortion of the truth was voiced by Sheikh 0:03:14.253 --> 0:03:18.213 Ibrahim de Doon in Western Sydney a day after the attacks, 0:03:18.613 --> 0:03:21.933 when he said, I'm smiling and unhappy, I'm elated. It's 0:03:21.973 --> 0:03:24.213 a day of courage, it's a day of resistance, it's 0:03:24.213 --> 0:03:26.493 a day of pride, it's a day of victory. He 0:03:26.573 --> 0:03:29.253 told the crowd. That was the day after, of course, 0:03:29.293 --> 0:03:33.773 October seventh of last year. Nick says the importation of 0:03:33.853 --> 0:03:38.413 this tribal animus into Australian civic society is the most 0:03:38.573 --> 0:03:42.293 disturbing consequence of last year's attacks. It found fertile ground 0:03:42.333 --> 0:03:48.133 among progressive intellectuals mired in Western self loathing and affixated 0:03:48.173 --> 0:03:52.133 on race, gender and identity. The plight of civilians caught 0:03:52.133 --> 0:03:54.013 in the middle of the war in Gaza is merely 0:03:54.093 --> 0:03:59.453 the post hoc justification for a visceral sense of historical 0:03:59.493 --> 0:04:04.573 grievance against the Jewish state and the Jewish people. And 0:04:04.613 --> 0:04:07.733 then there is this. The wealthy owner of the Nomad 0:04:07.813 --> 0:04:10.533 restaurants in Sydney and Melbourne has been revealed as the 0:04:10.573 --> 0:04:15.933 protester arrested for allegedly holding up a Swashtika sign superimposed 0:04:16.013 --> 0:04:19.893 over an Israeli flag at Sunday's pro Palestine rally in Sydney. 0:04:20.653 --> 0:04:24.813 Alan Yazbek being charged with knowingly displaying a Nazi symbol 0:04:24.933 --> 0:04:27.973 in public after he allegedly held the sign which bore 0:04:28.013 --> 0:04:33.133 the words stopped Nazi Israel. He and his wife, who 0:04:33.213 --> 0:04:36.133 was an interior architect, have run the popular Surrey Hills 0:04:36.133 --> 0:04:40.373 restaurant No Mad since twenty thirteen. The Australian newspaper understands 0:04:40.413 --> 0:04:44.333 they say several patrons rushed to cancel bookings on Tuesday 0:04:44.413 --> 0:04:47.893 night after news of the charges spread among the Jewish community. 0:04:48.573 --> 0:04:52.773 And who can blame them this couple. I don't know 0:04:52.773 --> 0:04:57.373 whether they were migrants from far away or whether they 0:04:57.413 --> 0:05:00.733 were born in Australia. It doesn't reveal that. But they 0:05:00.773 --> 0:05:02.653 started their business just over a decade ago with a 0:05:02.693 --> 0:05:05.213 thirty seat cellar door that became a two hundred seat 0:05:05.213 --> 0:05:08.893 restaurant with food inspired by their travels through Spain and 0:05:08.893 --> 0:05:11.693 the Middle East. Had a focus on cooking over fire. 0:05:12.253 --> 0:05:14.573 I'm sure there must be a book or two on 0:05:14.653 --> 0:05:18.173 the restaurants, and then, as the media generally does in 0:05:18.253 --> 0:05:22.413 circumstances like this, they list the restaurants that they owned 0:05:22.693 --> 0:05:25.653 or now own, and then went into a bit of 0:05:25.853 --> 0:05:28.813 private life. The couple paid four million for their home 0:05:28.893 --> 0:05:32.893 in the affluent eastern Sydney suburb of Willara in twenty sixteen, 0:05:33.333 --> 0:05:36.693 but more recently this year apparently they bought an eleven 0:05:36.693 --> 0:05:41.333 million dollar house in Albert Park in Melbourne. On Sunday, 0:05:41.333 --> 0:05:44.333 mister Yazbek joined the crowd of ten thousand pro Palestine 0:05:44.813 --> 0:05:48.933 protesters who had been given permission to march through the 0:05:48.973 --> 0:05:52.493 streets of Sydney CBD, but police allege the fifty six 0:05:52.613 --> 0:05:57.213 year old failed to heat warnings not to display offensive material. Now, 0:05:57.253 --> 0:06:00.173 the first mistake that was made was to give them 0:06:00.173 --> 0:06:05.453 permission to demonstrate against the country that their kinvote, that 0:06:05.573 --> 0:06:11.573 their kinfolk attacked and murdered and slaughtered twelve hundred people, 0:06:11.893 --> 0:06:17.053 not to forget those who were hijacked back to Gaza. 0:06:17.573 --> 0:06:20.333 But that's not right, that's not really what I mentioned 0:06:20.333 --> 0:06:24.933 this for. It's multiculturalism that we have a problem with, 0:06:25.413 --> 0:06:28.093 and it's a growing problem and it needs to be addressed. 0:06:28.453 --> 0:06:33.933 The Australian government the most incompetent government arguably ever. I 0:06:33.973 --> 0:06:36.213 heard somebody say that it was worse than the Golf 0:06:36.213 --> 0:06:41.373 Whitnam government. Well it is. They are hopeless, useless and stupid. 0:06:41.653 --> 0:06:44.533 But Australia is in trouble because there is a shortage 0:06:44.573 --> 0:06:49.093 of real talent. The Liberal leader, of course, is improving 0:06:49.133 --> 0:06:52.693 out of sight. But nevertheless there's a way to go 0:06:52.933 --> 0:06:58.133 and one hopes and even praise that peace will settle 0:06:58.173 --> 0:07:03.573 itself on these problems facing Australia now in a moment. 0:07:03.693 --> 0:07:17.373 Patrick Masham Laton Smith. Leverrix is an antihistamine made in 0:07:17.413 --> 0:07:21.373 Switzerland to the highest quality. 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Patrick Basham is the director of the 0:08:12.813 --> 0:08:17.053 Democracy Institute. He's the founder of the Democracy Institute. Patrick, 0:08:17.133 --> 0:08:19.653 It's excellent to have you back on the podcast. And 0:08:19.693 --> 0:08:24.133 I know that that greeting is matched by thousands of 0:08:24.173 --> 0:08:25.853 others because I get it all the time. 0:08:27.813 --> 0:08:30.053 Well, thank you late. It is always a pleasure to 0:08:30.093 --> 0:08:32.733 speak with you, a pleasure and an honor to speak 0:08:32.773 --> 0:08:35.333 with your final audience. Always grateful for the opportunity to 0:08:35.373 --> 0:08:39.173 talk about all things American and occasionally things further afield 0:08:39.213 --> 0:08:39.573 as well. 0:08:39.973 --> 0:08:42.333 I had over the last couple of weeks I had 0:08:42.413 --> 0:08:46.573 when's Patrick Basham coming on on multiple occasions, and I 0:08:46.613 --> 0:08:50.013 said last week because I was thinking I thought it 0:08:50.053 --> 0:08:52.933 was last week and then it wasn't. But here we are, 0:08:53.213 --> 0:08:55.693 and it might be appropriate to say that at this 0:08:55.733 --> 0:09:00.013 point of time that election day is here a Wednesday, 0:09:01.453 --> 0:09:06.133 and Wednesday is podcast day. So we're going to we're 0:09:06.173 --> 0:09:09.853 going to meet up in this fact and cover off 0:09:09.893 --> 0:09:15.373 some stuff right on the bill. So I have a 0:09:15.493 --> 0:09:19.133 question for you, and I'll be interested in your response 0:09:20.253 --> 0:09:24.733 today as we speak, what would be the biggest political 0:09:24.773 --> 0:09:27.333 headline in the US. 0:09:29.213 --> 0:09:32.213 It's a variety of headlines on the same theme about 0:09:32.973 --> 0:09:37.933 how close the race is between Harris and Trump, whether 0:09:38.613 --> 0:09:43.213 you know, whether Trump is going to self destruct as 0:09:43.213 --> 0:09:45.293 he apparently has done in the past, allegedly has done 0:09:45.333 --> 0:09:49.053 the past, and it's hope for it does again. Is 0:09:49.213 --> 0:09:53.813 Harris putting the coalition back together again? You know? So 0:09:53.853 --> 0:09:56.693 it's reflective of the fact that it's a reflection of 0:09:56.733 --> 0:10:03.653 the fact that even the traditionally unreliable mainstream media polling 0:10:03.733 --> 0:10:08.173 indicates that this is it is a very competitive race 0:10:08.813 --> 0:10:12.453 and that no one can be certain based on that 0:10:12.573 --> 0:10:14.973 those sort of polls as to you know, who will 0:10:14.973 --> 0:10:16.973 be the victor, even though we all know who should be. 0:10:18.093 --> 0:10:21.253 So that's the sort of horse race thing that is 0:10:21.293 --> 0:10:26.293 dominating right now. If I might take a moment to 0:10:26.653 --> 0:10:30.533 mention what I think should be the story, one because 0:10:30.533 --> 0:10:33.853 I believe it should be, and also because I think 0:10:33.853 --> 0:10:39.213 it's it's a below the radar story in terms or 0:10:40.053 --> 0:10:43.933 variable that is actually going to impact the outcome to 0:10:43.973 --> 0:10:47.173 some extent. And the story, of course should be the 0:10:47.413 --> 0:10:51.813 appalling pathetic in all senses of the word federal government 0:10:51.933 --> 0:10:57.013 Biden Harris regime response to the hurricane in the Southeast 0:10:58.133 --> 0:11:03.573 States of the United States. That that story was completely 0:11:03.613 --> 0:11:07.173 buried the first few days by the mainstream media, but 0:11:07.933 --> 0:11:12.253 the situation cuation was so bad and thanks to social media, 0:11:12.533 --> 0:11:15.733 that the mainstream media by late last week had to 0:11:15.773 --> 0:11:20.173 start covering it with at least a modicum of accuracy. 0:11:20.933 --> 0:11:24.173 And of course that's the story gets out. Things just 0:11:24.213 --> 0:11:28.973 get worse and worse, and Harris and her campaign are 0:11:29.053 --> 0:11:35.093 so inept that and so to have such a ten 0:11:35.213 --> 0:11:38.733 ear politically cannot read the room that they've sort of 0:11:38.773 --> 0:11:45.853 made every optic related mistake and sort of verbal mistake 0:11:45.933 --> 0:11:49.133 you can make in terms of responding to this, and 0:11:49.213 --> 0:11:53.013 so the story has more than the story that there's 0:11:53.053 --> 0:11:56.733 a real story that has truly has legs, should have legs. 0:11:57.173 --> 0:11:59.853 But what they've done and what Biden's done, or more 0:11:59.893 --> 0:12:02.453 to the point, what they haven't done, has just fueled 0:12:02.453 --> 0:12:07.933 that fire. And so it is something which is reinforcing 0:12:08.013 --> 0:12:13.093 the enthusiasm amongst those who are already committed to voting 0:12:13.173 --> 0:12:17.373 against Harris to ensure that they do because they see this, 0:12:17.533 --> 0:12:21.813 I think, with a great deal of accuracy, very correctly 0:12:22.093 --> 0:12:30.413 as it epitomizes the incompetence and of the Biden Harris 0:12:30.853 --> 0:12:37.653 administration and also the degree to which they enthusiastically politicize 0:12:38.093 --> 0:12:41.493 every decision that they make. Uh, and they have as 0:12:41.533 --> 0:12:42.573 they have a pear to have done so. 0:12:42.653 --> 0:12:46.533 In this case, you said something a moutent ago about 0:12:46.533 --> 0:12:51.533 reading the room, and I misheard you momentarily. But I 0:12:51.573 --> 0:12:54.213 want to, I want to, I want to utilize it. 0:12:56.493 --> 0:13:00.533 She's doing a good job or a bad job of 0:13:01.173 --> 0:13:07.813 reading the womb to say room or womb, I said 0:13:07.853 --> 0:13:12.493 womb ah, yes, because that's it seems to be leading 0:13:12.853 --> 0:13:18.253 hitting her whole approach absolutely. 0:13:18.293 --> 0:13:22.533 The only really, the only policy position that she is 0:13:22.573 --> 0:13:27.133 sort of proactively staked out and stood firm on is 0:13:27.173 --> 0:13:33.413 her commitment to basically no limits or constraints on a 0:13:33.453 --> 0:13:39.053 woman's reproductive rights, as you know, as defined by the Democrats. Interestingly, 0:13:40.493 --> 0:13:45.973 when posters ask whether they're Republican Harris voters, Trump voters, 0:13:46.053 --> 0:13:49.613 or independence when they ask what do you know about 0:13:49.653 --> 0:13:55.733 Harris's policy positions, overwhelmingly, across the board, no one knows. 0:13:55.973 --> 0:13:59.053 No one, no average voter, regardless of how they're voting, 0:13:59.973 --> 0:14:03.893 knows much about what they what she is going to 0:14:03.933 --> 0:14:05.653 do or says she's going to do, because she hasn't 0:14:05.653 --> 0:14:09.853 said very much. But the one issue where you get 0:14:09.893 --> 0:14:13.733 something like twenty five thirty thirty five percent across the board, 0:14:13.773 --> 0:14:17.133 everybody's confident in saying, I know where she stands on abortion. 0:14:17.813 --> 0:14:22.933 It's the one thing that they have stressed and so her. 0:14:23.333 --> 0:14:26.013 What they're doing with that, I mean, we don't know 0:14:26.093 --> 0:14:28.093 yet whether it's going to work, but it's you know, 0:14:28.173 --> 0:14:33.653 it's incredibly disingenuous. Is they are doing the traditional democratic 0:14:33.733 --> 0:14:35.573 thing of saying, you know, where for a woman's right 0:14:35.613 --> 0:14:39.613 to choose, we protect a woman's reproductive freedom, et cetera. 0:14:40.053 --> 0:14:43.933 The other guys are anti abortion, but they've extended that 0:14:44.213 --> 0:14:48.093 and they're just blatantly lying about what the Supreme Court 0:14:48.133 --> 0:14:52.813 decision over over through Roe v. Wade means and meant 0:14:53.453 --> 0:14:57.853 they're completely lying about Trump's position on whether on a 0:14:57.933 --> 0:15:01.853 national abortion ban, which she's against, et cetera, et cetera. 0:15:02.733 --> 0:15:06.373 And so they they're using this and it's often very 0:15:06.373 --> 0:15:11.093 effective in terms of fundraising and ensuring that the liberal 0:15:11.293 --> 0:15:15.173 female base of the party turns out to vote, you know, 0:15:15.213 --> 0:15:18.133 where they paint whoever the Republican is. In this came 0:15:18.173 --> 0:15:20.933 Trump case case Trump as someone you know from the 0:15:21.413 --> 0:15:24.573 you know from from nineteen twenty four, not twenty twenty four, 0:15:24.573 --> 0:15:28.973 in terms of their attitudes to female to women's reproductive rights, 0:15:29.133 --> 0:15:32.933 and themselves as a defender of that. And of course, 0:15:32.933 --> 0:15:36.613 the one quite effective way in which both Trump and JD. 0:15:36.733 --> 0:15:41.733 Vance and others have pushed back is they have pointed 0:15:41.733 --> 0:15:44.933 out one that you know, they actually do but think 0:15:44.933 --> 0:15:47.973 that there are exceptions to abortion bands. They're not in 0:15:48.053 --> 0:15:50.973 favor of a national one. But they've pointed out that 0:15:51.213 --> 0:15:56.253 Harris and her running mate do not agree with any 0:15:56.293 --> 0:15:58.853 restrictions literally up to the moment, in fact, past the 0:15:58.893 --> 0:16:03.573 moment of birth. And so it's become this you know, 0:16:03.653 --> 0:16:08.253 sort of ping pong match, which is important, very important 0:16:08.413 --> 0:16:11.333 to some people on both sides, but in both cases 0:16:11.373 --> 0:16:15.493 it's a minority, and you know, there are other issues 0:16:15.533 --> 0:16:18.453 that are far more important right now to most people. 0:16:18.773 --> 0:16:21.213 But what I think the thing it really tells us latent. 0:16:21.893 --> 0:16:27.493 It epitomizes how the Harris campaign has focused from the 0:16:27.533 --> 0:16:32.133 get go on issues which are really really important to 0:16:32.213 --> 0:16:35.533 their core constituency. Now, obviously you have to keep your 0:16:35.573 --> 0:16:39.253 core your base vot is happy, but she's in a position, 0:16:39.293 --> 0:16:43.373 as Biden was, of needing to enlarge the tent a little, 0:16:43.653 --> 0:16:47.853 and they're not obviously attempting to do that, which you 0:16:47.893 --> 0:16:50.533 can either view as an aptitude or you can view 0:16:50.573 --> 0:16:53.053 it as an acknowledgment on their part that they just 0:16:53.093 --> 0:16:55.013 simply have to minimize their losses. 0:16:56.693 --> 0:17:00.733 If I could jump ahead just a little, the Democracy 0:17:00.813 --> 0:17:04.333 Institute and the Daily Express you have run and you've 0:17:04.373 --> 0:17:08.093 been doing this for some years. You've run polling on 0:17:08.453 --> 0:17:12.133 half of both of your organizations. Is the day the 0:17:12.173 --> 0:17:15.413 Express a printed a printed paper in America or oh 0:17:15.453 --> 0:17:21.253 it's online online? Yeah, the way of the future. The 0:17:21.293 --> 0:17:25.813 most important issues. I'm interested to see that. I was 0:17:26.013 --> 0:17:31.373 that abortion is fifth on the list, but only eleven percent, 0:17:32.693 --> 0:17:39.893 So you've got inflation at the top, immigration, economy, crime, abortion, healthcare, 0:17:40.613 --> 0:17:43.733 and I'm very pleased to say climate change is last 0:17:44.333 --> 0:17:45.653 on six percent. 0:17:47.093 --> 0:17:47.893 Yes, so. 0:17:49.653 --> 0:17:53.573 That that that to me is very satisfactory. But the 0:17:53.933 --> 0:17:56.573 but the abortion aspect of it is less than than 0:17:56.573 --> 0:17:57.733 I would have anticipated. 0:17:58.293 --> 0:18:02.533 Yes, indeed, and it's it's it is a demonstrates what 0:18:02.853 --> 0:18:05.973 I illustrates what I was just touching on there, that 0:18:06.333 --> 0:18:09.333 it is a very important issue to a small minority. 0:18:09.333 --> 0:18:12.213 It's the issue to a small minority on both sides 0:18:12.853 --> 0:18:17.413 of the issue. But this is an election that is 0:18:17.493 --> 0:18:23.013 being and will be dominated issue wise by the candidates 0:18:23.173 --> 0:18:28.573 actual and perceived positions on a whole range of economic issues, 0:18:29.093 --> 0:18:33.293 the immigration issue, the slash border issue, and crime, And 0:18:33.333 --> 0:18:35.413 of course those sure will are where later and I'm 0:18:35.413 --> 0:18:38.733 sure most of your listeners are that those the economic issue, 0:18:38.933 --> 0:18:41.853 the immigration issue, the crime issue. In twenty twenty four 0:18:41.933 --> 0:18:45.613 across pretty much all of the West, those three are 0:18:45.613 --> 0:18:50.733 interwoven in terms of how they impact the quality of 0:18:50.773 --> 0:18:55.533 life of the average voter, and they're interwoven in terms 0:18:55.573 --> 0:19:01.813 of the politics of them, and they favor as they 0:19:01.853 --> 0:19:03.893 have done in most elections across the West in the 0:19:03.933 --> 0:19:08.773 last couple of years. They favor the challenger. The it's 0:19:08.773 --> 0:19:12.253 not that they disfavor the incumbent, because when people are 0:19:12.493 --> 0:19:14.933 concerned about inflation and immigration and the economy and crime, 0:19:14.973 --> 0:19:17.213 it's because they think there's there's there's too much of 0:19:17.253 --> 0:19:21.253 all of those things, right, And so it's it's a 0:19:21.333 --> 0:19:27.813 it's a really important foundation for the Trump campaign to 0:19:28.173 --> 0:19:31.613 build on. Is I think largely it's done fairly success successfully, 0:19:31.693 --> 0:19:35.053 and it's an albatross around the neck of the Harris campaign, 0:19:35.213 --> 0:19:37.293 as it was around the neck of the Biden campaign, 0:19:37.373 --> 0:19:39.653 and as it has been around the next of so 0:19:39.813 --> 0:19:42.773 many incumbents and governments around the West, whether you know, 0:19:42.813 --> 0:19:46.373 whether they were normally conservative or nominally liberal or of 0:19:46.453 --> 0:19:49.413 the left. You know, it's just when when people aren't 0:19:49.453 --> 0:19:54.173 happy about material things and their physical security, they tend 0:19:54.213 --> 0:19:56.253 to want change in the government. But on the abortion 0:19:56.333 --> 0:20:00.213 issue specifically, it's important to note, well, it is very 0:20:00.253 --> 0:20:03.293 important to note, as you did, that it is only 0:20:03.333 --> 0:20:08.053 issue number five, uh in terms of voters' priorities. That 0:20:08.093 --> 0:20:11.053 does not mean that the eleven percent we found our 0:20:11.053 --> 0:20:14.613 most recent poll are all pro choice, you know. It's 0:20:14.693 --> 0:20:17.173 it's that there are a good number of people on 0:20:17.213 --> 0:20:20.533 the pro life side who think it's the most important issue. 0:20:20.613 --> 0:20:25.133 And I'm always arguing with friends on both sides, were 0:20:25.173 --> 0:20:29.133 particularly on the right, who they may be pro life, 0:20:29.213 --> 0:20:31.173 not necessarily but may be procate, but they think that 0:20:31.213 --> 0:20:34.373 it's a loser for the for the Republicans and for Trump, 0:20:34.773 --> 0:20:37.773 and I argue it is necessarily so because the reason 0:20:38.613 --> 0:20:41.813 for it is so crudely, well simply therefore crudely as 0:20:41.893 --> 0:20:46.493 necessary here is that those who are pro choice, who 0:20:46.693 --> 0:20:48.533 depending on how on the poll you ask, but most 0:20:48.533 --> 0:20:51.573 polls you find them more of them, they vote all 0:20:51.613 --> 0:20:54.973 the time on all for all kinds of reasons, including abortion, 0:20:55.093 --> 0:20:58.133 and they vote for the Democrats these days. The folks 0:20:58.173 --> 0:21:01.333 who are really really concerned about abortion from the pro 0:21:01.373 --> 0:21:06.413 life perspective, they don't vote all the time. They're what 0:21:06.453 --> 0:21:08.853 we call in the polling business, low perpen city or 0:21:08.973 --> 0:21:12.253 medium propensity voters. They show up every two or three 0:21:12.333 --> 0:21:15.573 or four elections, or every once in a twenty years, 0:21:15.613 --> 0:21:18.333 it depends, but they tend to be moved by that issue. 0:21:18.573 --> 0:21:20.693 They're easily moved by that issue more than anything else. 0:21:20.813 --> 0:21:24.893 So all to say, when people come into new voters 0:21:25.253 --> 0:21:27.373 come in to vote on that issue, they tend to 0:21:27.413 --> 0:21:30.373 be on the pro life side, which rather balances things out. 0:21:30.413 --> 0:21:34.533 But the bottom line is that the issues that conventional 0:21:34.573 --> 0:21:38.573 wisdom says and traditionally historically a favor of the Democrats, 0:21:38.573 --> 0:21:42.613 the environment, healthcare, put my view aside, and let's say 0:21:42.653 --> 0:21:45.973 abortion is another one of those. They're out there, they 0:21:46.013 --> 0:21:50.213 mean something to voters, to really much all voters, but 0:21:50.253 --> 0:21:54.853 they're not what overwhelmingly voters are choosing to cast their 0:21:54.893 --> 0:21:58.293 ballot on the basis of. And that is bad news 0:21:58.373 --> 0:22:02.773 for the Democrats. Just as when issues like healthcare were 0:22:02.973 --> 0:22:06.413 far more of a priority for voters in past elections, 0:22:06.613 --> 0:22:10.653 those inherently benefitted the Democrats, whether they were in power 0:22:10.733 --> 0:22:12.013 or whether they were in opposition. 0:22:12.173 --> 0:22:15.093 Why didn't we go back to well where we were 0:22:16.333 --> 0:22:18.813 and just take a look at how you conduct your 0:22:18.853 --> 0:22:21.533 polling because it impressed a lot of people last time, 0:22:21.573 --> 0:22:23.533 and there'll be people who didn't hear it. So let's 0:22:23.613 --> 0:22:24.413 let's try it again. 0:22:25.053 --> 0:22:28.693 Okay, tell me to shut up when I get especially 0:22:29.413 --> 0:22:31.653 drew down to too many details or get especially a 0:22:31.733 --> 0:22:36.373 doll here. So what we do is for our national polling, 0:22:36.773 --> 0:22:41.773 we usually have completed surveys, we talked, we actually contact 0:22:41.893 --> 0:22:46.413 hundreds of thousands of voters, but we completed surveys from 0:22:46.693 --> 0:22:50.613 usually between twelve and fifteen hundred, and you have to 0:22:50.933 --> 0:22:53.573 you know, it's such a small percentage of people that 0:22:53.653 --> 0:22:56.733 you contact who are willing to take a poll. I mean, 0:22:56.773 --> 0:22:59.493 that's just that, you know, the problem in the polling industry. 0:22:59.533 --> 0:23:02.373 That's number one. You know, you get one two three 0:23:02.413 --> 0:23:06.413 percent of folks are actually willing to talk to you, 0:23:06.493 --> 0:23:09.293 whereas you know, decades ago it might be fifty percent 0:23:09.453 --> 0:23:12.773 or forty or thirty percent. So that's that's the first problem. 0:23:13.013 --> 0:23:15.453 So we contact people. I mean, there are various ways 0:23:15.493 --> 0:23:17.573 of doing it these days because of technology. The way 0:23:17.613 --> 0:23:20.173 we do it, what we think is the least worst 0:23:20.213 --> 0:23:22.893 way of doing it, that is potentially the most accurate, 0:23:23.533 --> 0:23:26.733 is we phone. We phone voters just as you know 0:23:26.813 --> 0:23:29.493 in the old days, as it were, but we don't 0:23:29.573 --> 0:23:32.933 use live callers. A couple of reasons for that. The 0:23:33.093 --> 0:23:36.653 principal one is expense. So we have a we have 0:23:36.733 --> 0:23:40.733 recorded questions and someone answers their phone. They sort of 0:23:40.733 --> 0:23:43.173 picks up in this these days almost all cell phones, 0:23:43.253 --> 0:23:47.093 mobile phones. They answer their phone and a human voice, 0:23:47.093 --> 0:23:51.613 but a recorded voice. After introducing the concept and them 0:23:52.013 --> 0:23:53.893 and the person on the other end of the of 0:23:53.933 --> 0:23:56.973 the call agreeing to take part in the poll, they 0:23:57.013 --> 0:23:59.333 answer the question. The questions are given to them, read 0:23:59.373 --> 0:24:01.733 to them, you know, a human, real voice, but recorded, 0:24:01.933 --> 0:24:04.213 and then they answer by pressing numbers on their keypads, 0:24:04.213 --> 0:24:07.893 sort of multiple choice. And that way we're able to 0:24:08.453 --> 0:24:12.133 all huge numbers of people and it's relatively over two 0:24:12.213 --> 0:24:17.093 or three days and actually come up with a good number. 0:24:17.213 --> 0:24:19.973 So one thing that we do in just about all 0:24:19.973 --> 0:24:23.413 our polling that only a couple of other posters do. 0:24:24.453 --> 0:24:26.973 We think it makes a big difference. And this might 0:24:26.973 --> 0:24:29.573 be you know, relevant to your to your audience, is 0:24:30.893 --> 0:24:34.773 we only take the responses of those we determine what 0:24:34.773 --> 0:24:37.453 we call likely voters. And the reason we do that 0:24:38.013 --> 0:24:40.853 is that, you know, it's not rocket science. They're the 0:24:40.893 --> 0:24:43.613 people who are actually going to show up and vote. Right. 0:24:43.653 --> 0:24:47.213 We're not interesting. We're interested intellectually in whateverybody who lives 0:24:47.213 --> 0:24:49.773 in America thinks, but in terms of the election outcome, 0:24:50.373 --> 0:24:51.853 we're interested in what the people who are going to 0:24:51.933 --> 0:24:54.973 vote think. Uh. And you say, well, okay, well don't 0:24:55.013 --> 0:24:58.373 most people vote, well, yes, but enough don't. It makes 0:24:58.373 --> 0:25:00.893 a difference. So, for example, there are there are polls 0:25:00.933 --> 0:25:06.213 out there the survey adults, and that means they survey 0:25:06.653 --> 0:25:10.013 every single well every person person they survey may be 0:25:10.093 --> 0:25:12.093 a voter, they may not be a voter, they may 0:25:12.133 --> 0:25:13.733 not even be a citizen. And so it's kind of 0:25:13.733 --> 0:25:17.173 like asking a thousand consumers what they're going to buy, 0:25:17.613 --> 0:25:19.733 which might be relevant because they're all spending money in 0:25:19.813 --> 0:25:23.093 the in the grocery store, but they're not all going 0:25:23.133 --> 0:25:25.493 to vote. The other way of doing it, which is 0:25:25.693 --> 0:25:28.693 the most common, is you just you talk to registered 0:25:28.773 --> 0:25:32.533 voters because in America you have to register before you 0:25:32.573 --> 0:25:35.133 can get a ballot, and your register as a Republican, 0:25:35.173 --> 0:25:38.733 a Democrat, as an independent. And that's better than looking 0:25:38.773 --> 0:25:42.853 at everyone. But it's of those registered voters, about twenty 0:25:42.893 --> 0:25:46.253 five thirty thirty five percent any given election aren't actually 0:25:46.293 --> 0:25:51.933 going to show up. Sooks. Posters use registered voters or 0:25:51.933 --> 0:25:54.693 they use adults because it's way cheaper because you don't 0:25:54.813 --> 0:25:59.613 have to call or email or text or online communicate 0:25:59.653 --> 0:26:02.453 with anything like as many because you are not rejecting 0:26:02.733 --> 0:26:07.053 you know, we're rejecting so many potential respondents. It takes 0:26:07.093 --> 0:26:08.973 longer and costs a lot more money. And then of 0:26:08.973 --> 0:26:11.973 course the other the art I mean This is a 0:26:11.973 --> 0:26:15.093 combination of art and science. And another part of the 0:26:15.213 --> 0:26:17.933 art involved is, Okay, you've got all these you know, 0:26:17.933 --> 0:26:21.213 we've got our fifteen hundred likely voters who have completed 0:26:21.253 --> 0:26:25.813 this phone survey, but how do we figure out whether 0:26:25.893 --> 0:26:30.533 they are representative of the country right? And so you 0:26:30.693 --> 0:26:34.213 have to then weight those responses based on what we 0:26:34.293 --> 0:26:38.373 believe are the most accurate up to date demographic factors, 0:26:39.373 --> 0:26:45.493 socioeconomic factors, you know, age, gender, race, ethnicity, where they live, 0:26:45.813 --> 0:26:50.253 and of course where they what their political affiliation is. 0:26:50.773 --> 0:26:54.493 And one of the ways in which many polls, and 0:26:54.613 --> 0:26:56.613 this has gone on for a long time, but it's 0:26:56.693 --> 0:27:02.973 particularly prominent in the recent elections, and I would say 0:27:02.973 --> 0:27:05.693 still in this one. What happens so often is that 0:27:05.813 --> 0:27:11.453 these polls are not weighting it accurately, either intentionally or 0:27:11.813 --> 0:27:15.893 out of ignorance. And so you'll see polls that are 0:27:15.893 --> 0:27:19.893 attractive in terms of the headline for the Democrat, and 0:27:19.893 --> 0:27:23.773 then you look underneath the hood and you'll see that 0:27:23.933 --> 0:27:26.813 they have weighted it in such a way that the 0:27:26.853 --> 0:27:30.893 Democrats are disproportionately represented. And that means, of course, you know, 0:27:30.933 --> 0:27:33.213 if you if your sample has ten percent to me 0:27:33.293 --> 0:27:36.653 Democrats you're probably going to have a headline number that 0:27:36.933 --> 0:27:39.093 you know skews to the Democrats. Now you say, well, 0:27:39.093 --> 0:27:40.653 it could go both ways. Of course, it can go 0:27:40.733 --> 0:27:44.013 both ways. But if you look at the media polling 0:27:44.933 --> 0:27:49.173 over the last decade, it always skews in one direction. Right. 0:27:49.373 --> 0:27:52.173 To ensure I don't bore anybody any further, I'll stop. 0:27:52.413 --> 0:27:55.573 But those that's sort of the the outline, the skeleton 0:27:55.653 --> 0:27:57.533 of sort of how we approach it and why we 0:27:57.813 --> 0:27:59.533 do some of the things we do with our polling. 0:27:59.573 --> 0:28:01.813 Well, there is no question what you said a moment ago, 0:28:02.213 --> 0:28:06.653 that it leans in one direction is accurate. Now, if 0:28:06.693 --> 0:28:11.413 I may, I'm going to refer to another pole. Here's 0:28:11.453 --> 0:28:16.413 the headline this morning from zero Hedge, and it's their story. 0:28:18.093 --> 0:28:21.813 I presume you look at zero Hedge occasionally, Yes, so 0:28:21.893 --> 0:28:24.053 you know you know Tyler Durden or who he is 0:28:24.173 --> 0:28:28.373 or who he represents anyway, he's they're responsible for this 0:28:28.493 --> 0:28:32.093 story rather than somebody else feeding it to them that 0:28:32.373 --> 0:28:36.733 Trump trouncing Carmela in key battleground states after sudden poly 0:28:36.933 --> 0:28:41.573 market surge. And I want to refer to the New 0:28:41.653 --> 0:28:44.893 York Times. Even the New York Times notes that Harris's 0:28:45.013 --> 0:28:49.413 edge in Pennsylvania in mainstream polling could be faked news, 0:28:50.133 --> 0:28:53.853 as the pole average could even be so stable in 0:28:53.973 --> 0:28:58.413 part because many posters are using heavy handed statistical techniques 0:28:58.653 --> 0:29:02.333 that reduce the variance of their results from from pole 0:29:02.373 --> 0:29:06.293 to pole, but that increase the risk of systematic errors. 0:29:06.493 --> 0:29:09.533 Systematic polling errors in which which one side does better 0:29:09.573 --> 0:29:13.653 than expected across the board have been common in recent cycles. 0:29:13.653 --> 0:29:15.773 And that's essentially what you're referring to. 0:29:17.253 --> 0:29:21.853 Yes, absolutely, that's why some of the you know, there 0:29:21.853 --> 0:29:25.893 are forecasters and modelers, you know, professional, amateur, you name it, 0:29:25.973 --> 0:29:28.493 who are doing this thing, whether in the US or 0:29:28.533 --> 0:29:33.093 doing it from outside the US, and some of them 0:29:33.213 --> 0:29:36.053 on the sort of right of the spectrum are pointing 0:29:36.093 --> 0:29:40.133 out that the last two elections, there were these major 0:29:40.853 --> 0:29:44.173 polling errors, whether you look at an individual polls, you 0:29:44.213 --> 0:29:47.973 look at these averages that are so heralded of several points, 0:29:48.853 --> 0:29:52.573 and you know, by the bottom line is Hillary Clinton 0:29:52.653 --> 0:29:57.053 and Joe Biden's numbers, whatever their eventual numbers were, they 0:29:57.053 --> 0:30:02.693 were much less than were forecasts. And Trump's numbers, whatever 0:30:02.893 --> 0:30:07.373 you think they really were, were officially much higher than 0:30:07.413 --> 0:30:11.973 the polls the quote unquote heralded polls and averages had suggested, 0:30:12.333 --> 0:30:15.213 and so many of these forecasters and modelers on the 0:30:15.293 --> 0:30:19.373 right are now taking the current polls and saying the 0:30:19.413 --> 0:30:24.493 only sensible thing is to is to adjust them on 0:30:24.573 --> 0:30:27.253 the basis of what we now know is an historical 0:30:27.493 --> 0:30:31.133 polling error and say, look, actually Trump, wherever he is 0:30:31.133 --> 0:30:33.373 ahead or behind, he's usually really give him a few 0:30:33.413 --> 0:30:36.093 more points, because we know from recent history that that's 0:30:36.133 --> 0:30:39.773 how it pans out. Because Trump, it's not simply that 0:30:39.813 --> 0:30:44.733 these polls have been inaccurate, again by accident or by design. 0:30:45.293 --> 0:30:48.933 But Trump, whether it's a primary, whether it's a general election, 0:30:49.573 --> 0:30:53.813 Trump consistently outvotes his polls. He just does better for 0:30:53.893 --> 0:30:55.733 four kinds of reasons that we've discussed in the past, 0:30:55.773 --> 0:30:59.533 you know. So, yeah, it's a very valid concern. 0:31:00.533 --> 0:31:03.213 All right, So let's look at the latest poll that 0:31:03.293 --> 0:31:07.013 came out a couple of days ago. Democracy Institute are 0:31:07.053 --> 0:31:11.613 the Express US Prison Dential Poll four October twenty twenty four. 0:31:12.133 --> 0:31:17.133 The national popular vote is out of sync with the 0:31:17.733 --> 0:31:19.173 mainstream I think, Am I right? 0:31:20.773 --> 0:31:22.813 It's out of sync with Yeah, it's out of sync 0:31:22.853 --> 0:31:26.573 with most of the polls that you hear about a lot. Yes, 0:31:26.733 --> 0:31:27.893 so you've got correct. 0:31:27.773 --> 0:31:30.973 Well, your numbers, so why don't you why don't you 0:31:31.013 --> 0:31:31.493 share them? 0:31:31.853 --> 0:31:35.293 Yeah, we have Trump at fifty, Harris at forty seven, 0:31:36.533 --> 0:31:39.133 the other little you know, minor candidates with two and 0:31:39.213 --> 0:31:42.973 only one percent undecided. Now, so that's that's the lead 0:31:43.093 --> 0:31:46.693 that we've the kind of lead we've been showing for 0:31:46.733 --> 0:31:49.533 a while now. I mean Trump had a much bigger 0:31:49.613 --> 0:31:53.333 lead the end of Biden's candidacy and when Harris first 0:31:53.413 --> 0:31:55.973 took over for a bunch of reasons, I mean, it 0:31:56.013 --> 0:32:00.893 was unrealistic that that would last. But since Harris has 0:32:00.933 --> 0:32:04.973 been the facto and then the actual candidate, we've had 0:32:05.013 --> 0:32:08.293 this sort of two three point lead. That's that's that's 0:32:08.613 --> 0:32:14.373 Fay state fairly consistent and not that one should view 0:32:15.093 --> 0:32:18.493 judge one's own polling based on what other posters are doing, 0:32:18.853 --> 0:32:21.413 but it's just a point of reference for your audience, latent. 0:32:21.773 --> 0:32:25.213 As you correctly said, this is out of line with 0:32:25.333 --> 0:32:30.933 most mainstream polls, who generally show Harris with a small lead, 0:32:31.413 --> 0:32:34.373 maybe a tie. The occasional one has Trump maybe up 0:32:34.373 --> 0:32:38.133 a point. But there are two or three that have 0:32:38.213 --> 0:32:44.693 consistently been the more accurate national polls that show that 0:32:44.333 --> 0:32:47.973 that are showing now or have shown consistently consistently like 0:32:48.013 --> 0:32:51.053 we have over recent weeks and months, Trump with a 0:32:51.493 --> 0:32:56.213 one two three point lead. So we are we're in 0:32:56.373 --> 0:32:59.253 minority company, but I think but I think we're in 0:32:59.253 --> 0:33:01.053 a very good company, if I might put it that way. 0:33:01.573 --> 0:33:06.053 I believe so because I well, like a lot of 0:33:06.293 --> 0:33:10.853 people who heard that podcast and your description prior to 0:33:10.893 --> 0:33:16.213 this one, they liked the way you approached it. It's 0:33:16.253 --> 0:33:19.853 a much more it's a much more honest way, and 0:33:19.893 --> 0:33:22.653 I think I think that that shows up. So looking 0:33:22.693 --> 0:33:26.373 at the swing states, you've got Michigan just for a start, 0:33:26.653 --> 0:33:29.293 with forty seven to forty six in favor of Trump. 0:33:29.333 --> 0:33:31.213 So that's in the well and truly in the margin 0:33:31.253 --> 0:33:35.973 of era. But as you've alluded to already, people are 0:33:36.013 --> 0:33:39.453 now starting to talk about and I'm talking about polsters 0:33:39.453 --> 0:33:42.253 and commentators are starting to talk about the fact that 0:33:42.973 --> 0:33:45.253 you've got to allow Trump a bit more space than that, 0:33:45.333 --> 0:33:50.213 because he's very likely to poll better than the forty seven. 0:33:51.133 --> 0:33:57.813 Yes, that is absolutely true. You said, that's what's what 0:33:57.933 --> 0:34:02.733 history tells us. I mean, we're slightly argue. You musty 0:34:02.853 --> 0:34:07.813 argue against myself here in the sense that for all 0:34:07.853 --> 0:34:11.573 our you know, no polling is perfect. Ours isn't perfect. 0:34:12.693 --> 0:34:14.933 For all our flaws and imperfections. The one thing that 0:34:14.973 --> 0:34:17.453 we have consistently done over the years since Trump's been 0:34:17.453 --> 0:34:20.213 on the scene is we've tended to nail his vote, 0:34:20.213 --> 0:34:23.213 whether it's in primaries or in general elections, pretty comparatively 0:34:23.253 --> 0:34:27.053 on the nose because for a couple of reasons, you know, 0:34:27.173 --> 0:34:29.493 Boyer listeners with but in terms of how we approach 0:34:30.013 --> 0:34:34.293 identifying what became known as the shy Trump voter right, 0:34:36.013 --> 0:34:39.933 because we think we still do that well, we may 0:34:39.933 --> 0:34:42.813 be proven wrong. Because we think we still do that well. 0:34:43.213 --> 0:34:48.613 We think our Trump numbers this year are are pretty accurate, 0:34:49.013 --> 0:34:53.373 although we acknowledge, as I've been acknowledging to you and 0:34:53.493 --> 0:34:58.173 others are acknowledging that the likelihood is that Trump's numbers 0:34:58.173 --> 0:35:03.173 in any poll are not his ceiling, but they're his flaw. Right, 0:35:03.613 --> 0:35:06.813 So I think we're close to the mark. But I 0:35:07.013 --> 0:35:10.733 do agree, wouldn cur with anyone who said, if you're wrong, 0:35:11.373 --> 0:35:14.493 you're probably underestimating him a bit. He may be a 0:35:14.533 --> 0:35:16.933 point or two above that, And I would say, yeah, 0:35:16.933 --> 0:35:19.493 that's that's entirely possible. That's where if there's an error 0:35:19.733 --> 0:35:21.253 the eras I think in that direction. 0:35:21.493 --> 0:35:24.813 Right, So you've got Minnesota forty four to Trump and 0:35:24.893 --> 0:35:29.453 forty forty eight two Harris. Uh huh? Is that that 0:35:29.653 --> 0:35:33.133 four point margin? Is that considered margin of era? 0:35:34.453 --> 0:35:41.653 It is in this one. But what's important about Minnesota is, well, 0:35:41.693 --> 0:35:44.973 it's less about Minnesota itself what happens there on election 0:35:45.173 --> 0:35:47.333 night and the days after, than what it tells is 0:35:47.453 --> 0:35:53.133 So you know, the context is Minnesota was fairly close 0:35:53.173 --> 0:35:55.133 to the last two elections, but it's been a safe 0:35:55.213 --> 0:35:58.853 Democratic state, you know, forever. Right, It's the only state 0:35:58.893 --> 0:36:02.373 that Walter Mondale won in eighty four when Reagan ran 0:36:02.453 --> 0:36:05.693 the table, right, forty nine to one. But okay, but 0:36:06.093 --> 0:36:09.733 so it's a blue Democratic state. Something things have to 0:36:09.733 --> 0:36:13.933 go crazy for the Republicans to win it. So Kamala Harris, 0:36:14.053 --> 0:36:17.733 she chooses the Minnesota governor as her running mate, and 0:36:17.773 --> 0:36:20.533 that I means for a bunch of reasons. Number one 0:36:20.533 --> 0:36:24.773 being the fact he wasn't Jewish. But besides besides that, 0:36:26.173 --> 0:36:29.773 it was the fact that her weakness or you know, 0:36:29.893 --> 0:36:31.853 she can't. She has to run the table in the 0:36:31.893 --> 0:36:37.053 Midwestern states, the ross belt states, one presumes, and Trump 0:36:37.133 --> 0:36:40.893 merely has his million really needs probably to pierce that 0:36:40.973 --> 0:36:45.333 blue wall to be victorious overall. So she chose a 0:36:45.373 --> 0:36:47.893 governor who was quote unquote popular, you know, being re 0:36:47.933 --> 0:36:52.613 elected in a Midwestern state and with a sort of 0:36:52.653 --> 0:36:56.853 folksy everyman persona someone who was older than her and 0:36:56.893 --> 0:36:59.013 whiter than her and all that sort of stuff. The 0:36:59.133 --> 0:37:03.333 problem is, what this polling and other polling demonstrates is 0:37:03.373 --> 0:37:09.613 that she chose someone who because minnies Sota is dominated 0:37:09.693 --> 0:37:14.053 by its very liberal urban areas, politically, it's popular there. 0:37:14.093 --> 0:37:17.253 He was very woke and very anti police and all 0:37:17.293 --> 0:37:21.373 this stuff, but and with you know, particularly interesting ties 0:37:21.413 --> 0:37:25.413 to communist China. But it's not actually popular with blue 0:37:25.413 --> 0:37:28.733 collar Minnesotan's. And the reason that's important is not what's 0:37:28.813 --> 0:37:31.573 less what happens in Minnesota than the fact that it's 0:37:31.653 --> 0:37:36.853 blue collar white Midwesterners who are going to determine how 0:37:36.933 --> 0:37:40.773 those rustbelt Midwestern states go. So they they sort of 0:37:40.813 --> 0:37:44.373 did their identity politics thing, you know, middle aged, older 0:37:44.453 --> 0:37:48.693 white guy who gets elected in the Midwest. So we'll 0:37:49.053 --> 0:37:50.733 we'll put him on the ticket, and he'll make sure 0:37:50.773 --> 0:37:54.773 we keep Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. And it's not worked 0:37:54.773 --> 0:37:58.413 out seemingly that great, you know, in his performance in 0:37:58.453 --> 0:38:01.853 the vibe presidential debates sort have exemplified that. And so 0:38:02.333 --> 0:38:07.533 if Minnesota goes is retained by the Democrats and Harris 0:38:07.533 --> 0:38:12.333 in November, well no surprise there. But there's the potential. 0:38:12.413 --> 0:38:16.333 It appears that it could be a lot closer, in 0:38:16.453 --> 0:38:20.253 sort of almost uncomfortably close. What that tells you is 0:38:20.293 --> 0:38:23.413 that the neighboring state of Wisconsin, which is a true 0:38:23.453 --> 0:38:26.853 swing state, and one or two others are likely to 0:38:26.933 --> 0:38:31.573 be trending even more away from the Democrats. Uh. And 0:38:31.613 --> 0:38:37.133 so this four point lead for Harrison Minnesota is something 0:38:37.173 --> 0:38:42.213 which doesn't say, you know, panic, panic, panic, but it says, oh, 0:38:42.293 --> 0:38:44.533 this is looking up hill, this is this is an 0:38:44.613 --> 0:38:48.693 uncomfortable number for us. We have to hope this is 0:38:49.133 --> 0:38:52.533 as an outlier. But other polls are showing, you know, 0:38:52.693 --> 0:38:56.573 comparable results that are in this margin of era, you 0:38:56.573 --> 0:39:01.173 know area. So it's that's why it's worth doing and 0:39:01.293 --> 0:39:04.453 worth as it turns out, I think, you know, reflecting upon. 0:39:05.373 --> 0:39:09.293 So skipping to Pennsylvania, which is which is I'm sick 0:39:09.293 --> 0:39:14.453 of hearing. It is a must win for Kamela to 0:39:16.133 --> 0:39:20.173 get where she wants. She's not doing so well fifty 0:39:20.653 --> 0:39:24.253 Trump forty six to her. Now, how does that compare 0:39:24.293 --> 0:39:25.653 with them last time? 0:39:27.413 --> 0:39:30.053 Well, last time it was I mean, you know, officially 0:39:30.413 --> 0:39:32.053 it was very close. I think it was about a 0:39:32.173 --> 0:39:37.893 point point and change that Biden officially won by And 0:39:37.973 --> 0:39:42.493 I think Pennsylvania, really, I think we're going to look back. 0:39:42.533 --> 0:39:44.093 I could be wrong, obviously, but I think I'm going 0:39:44.133 --> 0:39:48.613 to look back and say that Pennsylvania exemplified the mistake 0:39:48.653 --> 0:39:52.213 the Democrats and made by tossing Biden out and putting 0:39:52.213 --> 0:39:53.893 her in. I mean I say that obviously as someone 0:39:53.893 --> 0:39:56.053 who thought that Biden was going to lose to Trump, 0:39:56.213 --> 0:40:00.613 and I'm sure he would have done. But what was 0:40:00.653 --> 0:40:06.093 overlooked by the Democrats the powers that been was that, yeah, 0:40:06.133 --> 0:40:09.973 they have this guy who's this pop unpopular failed president, 0:40:10.533 --> 0:40:12.653 and they won this this quote unquote fresh face, and 0:40:12.693 --> 0:40:15.173 maybe we can build a new narrative around this younger, 0:40:15.413 --> 0:40:18.733 darker woman, right and all of that. What they overlooked 0:40:19.933 --> 0:40:25.693 is that her natural appeal is strongest in areas as 0:40:25.773 --> 0:40:28.653 dissimilar from the Midwest as you can find in America, 0:40:28.853 --> 0:40:31.933 that is, on the East and West coast, right where Biden. 0:40:32.533 --> 0:40:34.213 This is the thing with Biden, and this is the 0:40:34.253 --> 0:40:36.573 part of why he you know, even if in my 0:40:36.733 --> 0:40:40.893 view the election had been fairly contested in Pennsylvania, it 0:40:41.013 --> 0:40:42.893 still would have been a close thing, even though I 0:40:42.933 --> 0:40:47.333 think Trump would have won, is because Biden, rightly or wrongly, 0:40:48.293 --> 0:40:53.133 he retained throughout his career an image not only as 0:40:53.253 --> 0:40:58.653 the as the sort of gaff prone, humorous every man 0:40:59.893 --> 0:41:02.613 guy who you know, sort of was comfortable with with 0:41:02.733 --> 0:41:05.973 with everybody and wasn't that bright, but he just had 0:41:05.973 --> 0:41:11.053 everybody's best interest in heart. That he was someone who 0:41:11.213 --> 0:41:15.293 was by by his default position was always to be 0:41:15.293 --> 0:41:18.213 supportive of the labor unions. He was blue collar Joe. 0:41:18.653 --> 0:41:22.253 He was. He was born in Scranton, Pennsylvania, in the 0:41:22.253 --> 0:41:25.893 northern part of the state, and the state is littered 0:41:26.173 --> 0:41:30.653 with buildings and highways, et cetera named after him already, 0:41:31.253 --> 0:41:38.333 uh and he retained a reservoir of goodwill amongst older 0:41:38.893 --> 0:41:43.373 blue collar Democrats, many of whom no elsewhere in the 0:41:43.373 --> 0:41:46.173 country no longer vote or vote for vote for the 0:41:46.173 --> 0:41:50.013 Trump or vote for the Republicans. But these folks ex union, 0:41:51.053 --> 0:41:56.013 many of them retired white blue collar jobs occupations when 0:41:56.053 --> 0:41:59.933 they were working, they they remember this this, you know, 0:42:00.093 --> 0:42:02.213 uncle Joe, who looked out for them and their and 0:42:02.253 --> 0:42:05.853 their and their interests, and they turned out for him. 0:42:06.373 --> 0:42:10.013 It's quite skewed. Actually, they turned out for him disproportionately 0:42:10.413 --> 0:42:15.133 in areas of Pennsylvania where you know, their numbers, you know, 0:42:15.213 --> 0:42:18.893 tend to dominate. Now, that's great for the Democrats. He 0:42:18.973 --> 0:42:22.453 was greade in twenty twenty. The problem is that they 0:42:22.853 --> 0:42:28.973 that demographic pro that demographic and Democratic profile voter has 0:42:29.133 --> 0:42:33.693 absolutely no interest in a Kamala Harris type candidate. And 0:42:33.733 --> 0:42:36.173 I mean, you know, she doesn't get them. They don't 0:42:36.173 --> 0:42:41.293 get her. And it's just a complete mismatch, right, it 0:42:41.413 --> 0:42:44.933 just is, you know, putting all preferences and opinions aside. 0:42:45.173 --> 0:42:50.933 So her appeal in Pennsylvania was always going to be limited. 0:42:51.213 --> 0:42:54.093 Now what was going What could have made the difference 0:42:54.653 --> 0:42:59.213 was that the popular governor of Pennsylvania, who also wanted 0:42:59.213 --> 0:43:00.973 to be the next candidate and would like to be 0:43:01.053 --> 0:43:05.773 the next president. Still, if she'd chosen him, he played 0:43:05.773 --> 0:43:08.933 a great hit, great influence on how the election was 0:43:08.973 --> 0:43:12.413 a show we say contested in twenty twenty. And he 0:43:12.573 --> 0:43:15.373 might have been able, by hook and by crook, to 0:43:15.413 --> 0:43:19.133 have guaranteed Pennsylvania to her, but she couldn't choose him 0:43:19.253 --> 0:43:21.853 because the base of her party wouldn't accept a pro 0:43:21.973 --> 0:43:28.693 Israeli Jewish vice presidential candidate. So her one card, the 0:43:28.733 --> 0:43:31.893 one ace she could have played in that key state, 0:43:32.453 --> 0:43:36.533 she chose not to play. And that means that she 0:43:36.733 --> 0:43:41.973 has her comparatively low ceiling. And when you see, you know, 0:43:42.093 --> 0:43:45.453 what was it Saturday night in a town of thirteen 0:43:45.453 --> 0:43:48.293 and a half thousand people in Pennsylvania, Trump gets one 0:43:48.373 --> 0:43:52.733 hundred and five thousand to show up, it just demonstrates 0:43:52.773 --> 0:43:59.173 that the last estimate, the final estimate, I believe, was 0:43:59.173 --> 0:44:04.693 one hundred and five thousand. That's obviously from all around 0:44:04.693 --> 0:44:10.413 the Yeah, it's it's extremely big. So it just demonstrates 0:44:10.693 --> 0:44:12.493 that he has the wind of his sale, you know, 0:44:12.533 --> 0:44:15.813 in his sales. She's fighting uphill, doesn't mean she can't 0:44:15.813 --> 0:44:18.853 pull it off. It's probably going to be within the 0:44:18.893 --> 0:44:21.293 margin of error in terms of the file outcome because 0:44:21.813 --> 0:44:24.693 these you know, these states are so closely contested. But 0:44:24.813 --> 0:44:29.093 it's just a calculation of Democrats made and they may 0:44:29.133 --> 0:44:31.533 have made it thinking they could get that govern they 0:44:31.533 --> 0:44:33.773 would have that governor because he was the obvious pick. 0:44:33.813 --> 0:44:36.893 As you said, you're tired of hearing how Pennsylvania is 0:44:37.213 --> 0:44:42.373 everything to the Harris campaign. But they made the other decisions, 0:44:42.333 --> 0:44:44.013 they mean, decisions that took them in a different direction, 0:44:44.293 --> 0:44:45.933 and so they're in a real battle. 0:44:45.973 --> 0:44:54.133 Now, when is your next set of statistics, your next party. 0:44:55.053 --> 0:45:00.173 Well, working backwards, our final poll, sort of comprehensive poll 0:45:00.373 --> 0:45:04.573 will be the weekend before the election, is on Tuesday, 0:45:04.773 --> 0:45:09.013 November fifth, so it'll be out for his first sorry, 0:45:09.133 --> 0:45:13.573 second and third probably I would expect, you know, Daily 0:45:13.573 --> 0:45:17.893 Express willing and allowing, but we'll almost certainly we will 0:45:17.933 --> 0:45:22.053 be doing between now and then, we'll be doing more polling. 0:45:22.133 --> 0:45:25.253 So we'll do probably the national popular vote a couple 0:45:25.293 --> 0:45:26.853 of times, we'll do we do some you know, this 0:45:26.933 --> 0:45:30.333 recent poll that you're kindly discussing now, Laton, this is 0:45:30.413 --> 0:45:32.973 Midwest wing states and some blue states in the north. 0:45:33.133 --> 0:45:36.053 Will be looking at the sun so called sun Belt, 0:45:36.093 --> 0:45:38.693 the swing states and the Sun Belt over the next 0:45:38.733 --> 0:45:41.893 couple of weeks. So it's a roundabout way of saying, 0:45:42.973 --> 0:45:47.333 you know, to keep keep watching, keep listening, because in 0:45:47.373 --> 0:45:49.973 the next week or two there will be more numbers. 0:45:52.573 --> 0:45:58.253 Do you think that there is a wearisome approach developing 0:45:58.333 --> 0:45:59.653 to the selection. 0:46:00.373 --> 0:46:06.333 A yes, my, my, unintentionally political sounding answer is yes 0:46:06.373 --> 0:46:12.053 and no. Right, Yes, there are so many you know, 0:46:12.213 --> 0:46:14.973 so many people are so locked in and have been 0:46:15.213 --> 0:46:19.373 for so long on this election as they were the 0:46:20.253 --> 0:46:26.133 previous two elections that you know, most people would happily say, 0:46:26.893 --> 0:46:29.693 you know, in July, can we just get over this thing? Right? 0:46:31.253 --> 0:46:35.813 But the no part comes from I think initially on 0:46:35.853 --> 0:46:39.533 the Democratic side, they you know, they've suddenly realized after 0:46:39.533 --> 0:46:43.413 the debate that Biden was poor a candidate, as his 0:46:43.453 --> 0:46:46.893 opponents had said, and so they were devastated. But then 0:46:46.933 --> 0:46:50.373 they got this second chance. Right the second they've grabbed 0:46:50.373 --> 0:46:54.573 this second chance, they now have hope. So let's, you know, 0:46:55.413 --> 0:46:57.533 how much time can we squeeze, you know, how much 0:46:57.613 --> 0:46:59.333 Jews can we squeeze out of what's rest in the 0:46:59.333 --> 0:47:02.733 campaign to get Kamala Harris over the top. So some 0:47:02.973 --> 0:47:07.253 Democrats are actually you know, not wanting this to end 0:47:07.333 --> 0:47:10.413 because they think the more time she's on she's out there, 0:47:10.413 --> 0:47:12.853 the better it will go. Some of us argue the opposite. 0:47:13.413 --> 0:47:16.733 And then on the on the Republican side, you have 0:47:16.813 --> 0:47:20.573 a good and I would say growing number of Trump 0:47:20.693 --> 0:47:28.413 voters who with every assassination attempt, every federal government response 0:47:28.493 --> 0:47:32.893 or lack of to a hurricane. Everything that happens in 0:47:32.973 --> 0:47:38.013 terms of the politics of the country, they are more 0:47:38.293 --> 0:47:42.973 and more enthused and keen to ensure do what they 0:47:43.013 --> 0:47:46.893 can to make this election mean something from their point 0:47:46.893 --> 0:47:51.013 of view. And so there's what I'm trying to say 0:47:51.053 --> 0:47:54.653 is that there's renewed energy on both sides for very 0:47:54.693 --> 0:47:57.053 different reasons. And of course the fact that just as 0:47:57.573 --> 0:48:00.133 Trump being the candidate for the third election in a 0:48:00.213 --> 0:48:02.493 row means that for the third election in the row 0:48:03.013 --> 0:48:05.653 for the Democrats, the main the only thing they have 0:48:05.733 --> 0:48:08.093 to say to most of their loyal voters is Trump's 0:48:08.093 --> 0:48:10.253 are publican candidate, and that's it. You know, they're off, 0:48:11.133 --> 0:48:13.373 They're frothing at the mouth, and they're after the polling 0:48:13.373 --> 0:48:15.813 stations or in their case, you know, railing in the 0:48:15.893 --> 0:48:20.213 posting the ballot. On the Republican side, there was tremendous 0:48:20.253 --> 0:48:26.933 antipathy obviously to Biden, but most Trump voters dislike personally 0:48:27.013 --> 0:48:30.013 Harris far more than they dislike Biden personally and are 0:48:30.093 --> 0:48:33.173 more terror even more terrified of her views than they 0:48:33.173 --> 0:48:38.533 are of Biden's policies. So on both sides, there's more 0:48:38.693 --> 0:48:42.413 juice at this late stage most of which could not 0:48:42.453 --> 0:48:45.013 have been anticipated even a few months ago. 0:48:45.453 --> 0:48:48.733 It's intriguing because there is a fair bit of weariness 0:48:49.293 --> 0:48:52.173 down in this part of the world. And I keep 0:48:52.493 --> 0:48:57.293 suggesting to those who challenge occasionally the amount of time 0:48:57.333 --> 0:49:01.013 that I spend on American politics, particularly at the time 0:49:01.133 --> 0:49:03.413 like this, that there are another things you've got to 0:49:03.413 --> 0:49:07.773 take into account. First of all, that the United States 0:49:07.893 --> 0:49:10.773 is the the and most powerful country in the world. 0:49:11.333 --> 0:49:17.053 What happens in America on all fronts, really, if it's dramatic, 0:49:17.493 --> 0:49:20.413 what happens in America has an effect or is likely 0:49:20.453 --> 0:49:22.453 to have an effect on the rest of the world. 0:49:23.013 --> 0:49:28.493 And if you've got a useless president, whoever it might be, 0:49:28.933 --> 0:49:33.053 and they've had some, then we're all in dire straits 0:49:33.333 --> 0:49:37.693 or likely to be. And there's another aspect too, and 0:49:37.733 --> 0:49:41.093 that is that you can watch how people follow politics 0:49:41.093 --> 0:49:44.493 in America and react to it, and learn what their 0:49:44.533 --> 0:49:48.453 attitude is to their own country and what's important or 0:49:48.653 --> 0:49:52.573 not important, or how much they care or how much 0:49:52.653 --> 0:49:56.053 they know or don't know in many cases. And I 0:49:56.093 --> 0:49:58.293 find all of that intriguing, apart from the fact that 0:49:58.333 --> 0:49:59.973 it's also scary at times. 0:50:00.853 --> 0:50:03.333 Oh absolutely. I mean one of the things that's always 0:50:03.773 --> 0:50:07.213 interested me intriguing me about American politics going way back, 0:50:07.413 --> 0:50:13.893 is how compared to most other democratic nations, the American 0:50:13.893 --> 0:50:18.773 political system largely washed this dirty laundry in public. Right now, 0:50:18.813 --> 0:50:22.893 I would argue that in recent times a lot more 0:50:23.013 --> 0:50:26.533 is happening in a sort of inside private laundereat than 0:50:26.573 --> 0:50:31.333 in the past. But nevertheless, one of the reasons that 0:50:32.653 --> 0:50:37.133 many people outside the country find it easy to automatically 0:50:37.373 --> 0:50:40.453 criticize American politics is because they know so much about it. 0:50:40.533 --> 0:50:42.253 In part because, as you say, for all those reasons 0:50:42.253 --> 0:50:46.853 you enunciated, laden it's important for the rest of it 0:50:46.933 --> 0:50:49.333 influences the rest of the world, but also because Americans 0:50:49.533 --> 0:50:52.173 sort of can't keep their mouth shut and they sort 0:50:52.213 --> 0:50:55.573 of show the world what's going on. Right the characteristic 0:50:55.613 --> 0:51:00.453 American personality of telling everybody what they think about everything 0:51:01.693 --> 0:51:07.493 also applies to their politics and wanting to export their system, 0:51:07.773 --> 0:51:12.893 their style of politics around the world. Also, you know, 0:51:12.973 --> 0:51:16.173 robs some people the wrong way, but it influences how 0:51:16.213 --> 0:51:22.253 things happen elsewhere. Has done America's intervening for good or 0:51:22.293 --> 0:51:26.373 for ill, and for good or for bad intentions around 0:51:26.413 --> 0:51:28.213 the world. I mean, just just one thing on, why 0:51:28.693 --> 0:51:31.053 you know the importance of it, and not of your 0:51:31.053 --> 0:51:33.613 listeners say, well, Patrickson now about to bash Harris and 0:51:33.613 --> 0:51:35.733 Biden over foreign policy. I'm not actually going to mention 0:51:35.773 --> 0:51:37.613 that these following two things for that reason, but to 0:51:37.653 --> 0:51:43.053 make another point, which is much of the criticism of 0:51:43.093 --> 0:51:49.333 the hurricane response has been because so much money has 0:51:49.413 --> 0:51:54.373 been and continues to be showered upon foreign governments and 0:51:54.573 --> 0:51:58.693 foreign countries by Biden and Harris, who they deem to 0:51:58.733 --> 0:52:04.533 be clearly in greater need than anybody at home in America. Now, 0:52:04.693 --> 0:52:07.093 whether you know whether one thinks that money should or 0:52:07.093 --> 0:52:10.493 shouldn't be spent in Lebanon, in Ukraine and wherever, the 0:52:10.493 --> 0:52:16.293 bottom line is that America is in a position through 0:52:16.453 --> 0:52:19.733 oh been part these days, through some very artful accounting, 0:52:19.773 --> 0:52:21.853 but that America is in a position to at least 0:52:21.893 --> 0:52:25.253 in the short term, to spend these huge sums and 0:52:25.293 --> 0:52:30.133 to therefore influence what happens in country X or y. Right, 0:52:30.253 --> 0:52:33.213 they can choose that Biden and Harris are in a 0:52:33.253 --> 0:52:37.013 position where they can make these kinds of choices about 0:52:37.293 --> 0:52:41.533 whether the money goes externally or internally. Now, most people 0:52:41.573 --> 0:52:43.213 think they're making the wrong choices, and I think they're 0:52:43.213 --> 0:52:45.813 making the wrong choices, but the fact is they're making them, 0:52:46.013 --> 0:52:49.253 and those choices will make a difference. Do make a 0:52:49.253 --> 0:52:52.093 difference elsewhere. It doesn't necessarily it's necessary for good, but 0:52:52.133 --> 0:52:56.413 they make a difference. Whereas your average democracy in the world, 0:52:56.613 --> 0:52:59.693 the government may have all kinds of views, and they 0:52:59.733 --> 0:53:02.853 may be good ones about what's happening elsewhere, but they 0:53:02.893 --> 0:53:06.133 can't do much about it because they have a small military, 0:53:06.213 --> 0:53:09.213 or they don't have the foreign aid, whatever the heck 0:53:09.253 --> 0:53:11.493 it is. They don't have the trade influence in the 0:53:11.533 --> 0:53:13.613 trade power that kind of thing, and the economic might 0:53:13.693 --> 0:53:18.813 the hest to put muscle behind their words, but America does. 0:53:19.133 --> 0:53:23.613 And so you know, if you don't think American elections 0:53:23.653 --> 0:53:29.773 are that important, you have to somehow gel that with 0:53:30.013 --> 0:53:34.613 the fact that America might be intervening in your country, 0:53:34.733 --> 0:53:37.173 or a country neighbor to yours, or one that you 0:53:37.213 --> 0:53:41.093 think is really important around the world as a result 0:53:41.133 --> 0:53:44.213 of its election outcome, or as a way of trying 0:53:44.253 --> 0:53:48.533 to influence that election outcome domestically here in America, let 0:53:48.573 --> 0:53:52.373 alone influence it and influence what's happening elsewhere. I mean 0:53:52.533 --> 0:53:57.533 the fact that Harris yesterday on CBS's sixty minutes in 0:53:57.573 --> 0:54:02.093 one of for very rare sit down interviews, refuse to 0:54:02.133 --> 0:54:07.333 say that, yes, Naiu in Israel there was an ally 0:54:07.413 --> 0:54:10.133 of the United States. I mean, you can say why, 0:54:10.133 --> 0:54:12.933 I don't think he is. But for her, as vice 0:54:13.013 --> 0:54:18.333 president of a quote unquote pro Israeli administration, to not 0:54:18.413 --> 0:54:22.173 be able to say yes to that tells you, you know, 0:54:22.373 --> 0:54:26.773 is important not just for American voters information, but it's 0:54:26.813 --> 0:54:30.053 important for what's going on in the Middle East right now. Right. Yes, 0:54:30.853 --> 0:54:33.413 that's just a fact. We may like that fact or 0:54:33.413 --> 0:54:34.893 dislike that fact, but it's a fact. 0:54:35.213 --> 0:54:36.853 Well, it's one other thing that I wanted to add 0:54:36.853 --> 0:54:40.253 to my list, and it's probably the most important actually 0:54:41.053 --> 0:54:44.693 for most people. Anyway, Where did all the ideas come 0:54:44.773 --> 0:54:49.853 from to form the government of the United States. They 0:54:49.893 --> 0:54:53.253 came from Europe, from England and Europe, if you want 0:54:53.293 --> 0:54:57.933 to separate the two. But all the French philosophers, et cetera, 0:54:57.973 --> 0:55:01.373 et ce all contributed one way or the other, for 0:55:01.413 --> 0:55:05.613 better or worse. After the Second World War, things changed, 0:55:05.933 --> 0:55:08.013 and the further away we got from the Second World War, 0:55:08.053 --> 0:55:11.893 the more they changed. And now most of the ideas 0:55:11.933 --> 0:55:15.333 that disturb us in particular come from the United States, 0:55:15.413 --> 0:55:19.413 all the woke stuff, all the craziness that we have 0:55:19.813 --> 0:55:24.413 that we have been reading about, hearing about, experiencing, and 0:55:24.533 --> 0:55:27.253 it has spread to this part of the world. In fact, 0:55:27.253 --> 0:55:28.613 it has spread the many parts of the world. But 0:55:28.853 --> 0:55:32.173 in the in the free world, as we like to 0:55:32.213 --> 0:55:36.253 think we are, it's affected as most. And I picked 0:55:36.253 --> 0:55:38.453 this up back in the back in the early eighties 0:55:39.013 --> 0:55:43.813 more than before that, partly due to age and interest 0:55:43.853 --> 0:55:48.253 in development, but I picked it up. And political correctness 0:55:48.293 --> 0:55:51.133 as it was initially has developed into all sorts of 0:55:51.373 --> 0:55:57.613 very ugly and unhelpful attitudes to life, reflected most recently 0:55:57.693 --> 0:56:02.093 in my opinion today or yesterday by Hillary Clinton, who, 0:56:02.173 --> 0:56:05.533 talking about social media, says, we have to control social media. 0:56:05.533 --> 0:56:08.933 If we don't control social media, then we we've lost. 0:56:09.213 --> 0:56:11.533 We can only control it. We can only get get 0:56:11.533 --> 0:56:15.373 where we want by controlling social media and associated comments. 0:56:16.173 --> 0:56:18.133 That's where that's where it originates. 0:56:19.333 --> 0:56:21.173 Absolutely, And of course I mean just on the Hillary 0:56:21.173 --> 0:56:24.613 Clinton interview there, because it begs what she said, bige 0:56:24.653 --> 0:56:27.573 many questions. I mean, among them, who's the wei she's 0:56:27.613 --> 0:56:31.493 referring to. I'm guessing her wei is more her and Bill, 0:56:31.693 --> 0:56:34.053 not you and me. Late I'm just taking a wild 0:56:34.053 --> 0:56:38.493 guess that perhaps right, just just just perhaps, you know, 0:56:38.533 --> 0:56:42.213 it's make a great point. I mean, there's a a 0:56:42.613 --> 0:56:48.053 now long departed I think Nobel Laureate winning economist Joseph 0:56:48.093 --> 0:56:51.933 Schumpeter German Chap if I've got that right, who said 0:56:51.933 --> 0:56:54.693 many important things for which he got many accolades and 0:56:55.013 --> 0:57:00.533 much controversy. But one of his sort of central thoughts 0:57:01.453 --> 0:57:04.893 was that the problem, and this is this is something 0:57:04.933 --> 0:57:07.333 that I think became apparent is really where I'm getting 0:57:07.333 --> 0:57:11.653 to in the eighties and nineties in the West, across 0:57:11.653 --> 0:57:15.933 the West, was that capitalism was the best way to 0:57:16.453 --> 0:57:22.173 organize things economically, right, most most productivity, most wealth, greatest consumption, 0:57:22.253 --> 0:57:25.813 quality of life, all that material stuff. But he foresaw 0:57:25.853 --> 0:57:31.533 the fact that capitalism's success would be problematic for capitalism 0:57:31.613 --> 0:57:35.573 or capitalist societies because once you've sort of once you've 0:57:35.613 --> 0:57:39.173 got all this wealth and everyone's most people are fairly 0:57:39.173 --> 0:57:42.933 comfortable by historical standards, So what do you do next? 0:57:43.373 --> 0:57:46.973 And next comes people's the average no, the average person 0:57:47.133 --> 0:57:50.893 at first, but the average intellectual and thinker and bureaucrat 0:57:50.933 --> 0:57:54.453 and policy maker about what they can do now because 0:57:54.453 --> 0:57:56.933 they don't have to worry about feeding everybody and most 0:57:56.933 --> 0:57:59.613 people having a job and clean water. It's like, what 0:57:59.693 --> 0:58:03.493 do we do? And of course you give enough intellectuals 0:58:03.573 --> 0:58:07.853 enough time to ruminate and fester, and they start coming 0:58:07.893 --> 0:58:10.493 up with all kinds of wacky notions about the planet, 0:58:10.693 --> 0:58:13.693 you know, dying off. We've got to do all kinds 0:58:13.733 --> 0:58:16.333 of things about that, and all this social you know, 0:58:16.413 --> 0:58:19.493 you know, wokeness. Of course, there is the bastard child 0:58:19.493 --> 0:58:22.413 of political correctness from the eighties, and you know, we 0:58:22.493 --> 0:58:24.773 get all of that stuff that started in the eighties, 0:58:24.893 --> 0:58:27.413 as you say, started in America, and America being the 0:58:27.413 --> 0:58:31.293 most successful capitalist economy, much of this stuff, and being 0:58:31.573 --> 0:58:36.893 just numerically large, you've just got more numerically more folks, 0:58:37.013 --> 0:58:41.053 more affluent folks, and more universities, and more intellectuals and 0:58:41.053 --> 0:58:44.613 more public policy types, more think tanks who are coming 0:58:44.693 --> 0:58:48.013 up with more and more crazy ideas and telling convincing 0:58:48.053 --> 0:58:51.613 each other that they're good and then you know, starting 0:58:51.653 --> 0:58:54.093 to work their magic in terms of the system. And 0:58:54.133 --> 0:58:57.773 of course America, because it was so politically powerful, because 0:58:57.813 --> 0:59:01.813 it was so economically powerful, it became culturally powerful around 0:59:01.853 --> 0:59:05.013 the world. And then that culture, you know, political correctness 0:59:05.013 --> 0:59:10.093 didn't didn't seep into the sinew of other Western nations 0:59:10.133 --> 0:59:13.933 because people voted on it. It's because it was exported 0:59:13.973 --> 0:59:18.933 through American culture right in many and American academics and 0:59:18.973 --> 0:59:22.333 all of that American think tanks. So you end up, 0:59:23.133 --> 0:59:27.893 in the case of America, with a country that culturally, socially, 0:59:28.413 --> 0:59:31.813 and in many ways politically, I would argue now is 0:59:31.853 --> 0:59:35.893 almost unrecognizable from the country it was even twenty years ago, 0:59:36.813 --> 0:59:40.493 certainly a generation or two ago, and in almost all 0:59:40.573 --> 0:59:46.813 cases not for the better right, and that that America 0:59:46.893 --> 0:59:51.333 is still I think America is probably even more criticized 0:59:51.573 --> 0:59:56.533 than she was in the past, but she's still influential. 0:59:56.693 --> 0:59:59.853 And therefore, depending on which country you chew, western country 0:59:59.853 --> 1:00:03.533 you name, that country has been influenced in what I 1:00:03.573 --> 1:00:07.173 would view and I'm guessing you would view as unfortunate ways, 1:00:07.373 --> 1:00:10.213 but to varying, varying degrees. You know, in another way 1:00:10.213 --> 1:00:14.973 that this is we've demonstrated how we've lost that genius, 1:00:15.373 --> 1:00:19.173 the method of the in the madness of those sixteen 1:00:19.693 --> 1:00:25.453 seventeen eighteenth century you know, true intellectuals from across Europe 1:00:25.693 --> 1:00:28.493 is that when the Cold War ended and there was 1:00:28.653 --> 1:00:31.773 much talk everywhere, but particularly in the US, about the 1:00:32.373 --> 1:00:35.973 Cold War dividend, the peace dividend, the defense dividend, because 1:00:36.133 --> 1:00:38.973 we have this massive spending all this money on this 1:00:39.053 --> 1:00:44.173 defense budget, paying for most of you know, Europe's defense. 1:00:44.973 --> 1:00:48.093 But now we've won the Cold War, we don't have 1:00:48.213 --> 1:00:51.333 to spend all that money on defense now. Whereas in 1:00:51.373 --> 1:00:54.173 the past, the react the response would have been, that's 1:00:54.253 --> 1:00:57.453 great news, So we can now reduce bring the size 1:00:57.493 --> 1:01:00.213 of government back down to a more reasonable level, we 1:01:00.253 --> 1:01:02.533 can cut taxes, we can give people back sort of 1:01:02.573 --> 1:01:05.253 more economic freedom, et cetera, et cetera. Oh no, The 1:01:05.333 --> 1:01:08.933 response was across the board pretty much with the exception 1:01:08.973 --> 1:01:12.173 of you know which your Reaganites was, We're not going 1:01:12.213 --> 1:01:14.933 to spend all this money on defense, So which social 1:01:15.013 --> 1:01:17.693 programs can we spend it on now? Like what can 1:01:17.733 --> 1:01:21.013 the government do in a for the first time or 1:01:21.053 --> 1:01:23.613 in bigger and better, in my view, bader ways than 1:01:23.653 --> 1:01:26.293 it was already doing. And that's what's happened, right, So 1:01:27.253 --> 1:01:33.813 it's that choice happened in the nineties. If it had 1:01:33.853 --> 1:01:36.413 happened in the fifties, the choices would have nineteen fifties, 1:01:36.453 --> 1:01:38.533 the choices I think made would have been quite different. 1:01:39.453 --> 1:01:45.053 And if they were made now, when only imagine in 1:01:45.093 --> 1:01:46.453 which direction they would be headed. 1:01:47.773 --> 1:01:53.253 Just on another matter, and on a very obvious one overall, 1:01:53.533 --> 1:01:58.333 how is the current situation in the Middle East affecting 1:01:58.493 --> 1:01:59.453 your average American? 1:02:01.253 --> 1:02:02.493 Your average American? 1:02:03.333 --> 1:02:04.133 Is this such a thing? 1:02:05.773 --> 1:02:11.653 Not a lot? Like it's not central to most people's 1:02:12.253 --> 1:02:17.013 views of voting calculus, however, and i'm you know as 1:02:17.053 --> 1:02:19.653 we are. You know, we're around the anniversary of the 1:02:19.973 --> 1:02:26.133 Harmas attack on Israel from October seventh, twenty twenty three. 1:02:26.653 --> 1:02:29.613 That that that what happened then, and more to the point, 1:02:29.613 --> 1:02:32.333 what's happened since in the Middle East and America's role 1:02:32.733 --> 1:02:38.493 regarding that, you know, that is it's a secondary campaign issue, 1:02:38.493 --> 1:02:42.333 but it's it's still a prominent one, and it's one 1:02:42.413 --> 1:02:48.573 that has on the Trump side. Meant that Trump is, 1:02:48.693 --> 1:02:52.453 according to the polls, getting a lot more Jewish support 1:02:52.693 --> 1:02:55.413 than he has in the past. And that this or 1:02:55.493 --> 1:02:58.213 is what's traditional for Republican because your listeners may or 1:02:58.213 --> 1:03:02.933 may not know Jewish Americas in Cheish American voters overwhelmingly 1:03:03.013 --> 1:03:07.413 vote Democratic right and you know, for a whole host 1:03:07.493 --> 1:03:11.333 of reasons. You know, time topic for another conversation, perhaps 1:03:12.213 --> 1:03:15.533 at the same time, on the Democratic side, they have 1:03:15.773 --> 1:03:19.213 sort of owned the the the the small but growing 1:03:19.333 --> 1:03:26.093 Muslim vote, an Arab vote, and those folks are really upset, 1:03:26.373 --> 1:03:30.413 really upset with Biden and Harris over what they view 1:03:30.493 --> 1:03:34.693 is their slavish support for Israel uh. And so they 1:03:34.733 --> 1:03:38.453 are they are either deciding not to vote or are, 1:03:38.533 --> 1:03:42.133 according to the polls again showing much more interest in 1:03:42.213 --> 1:03:45.093 Trump than in the past as a sort of protest 1:03:46.013 --> 1:03:50.293 to Harris and Biden. And crucially, I mean, your question 1:03:50.373 --> 1:03:53.013 really kind of actually takes us back to these specific 1:03:53.093 --> 1:03:56.773 states because the Arab and the Arab vote is I mean, 1:03:56.813 --> 1:03:59.053 it's it's in all kinds of places, but it's in 1:03:59.133 --> 1:04:03.173 terms of politics where it matters is in Michigan swing state. 1:04:03.253 --> 1:04:07.493 It matters in and around Detroit and Arab voters there 1:04:08.093 --> 1:04:11.653 by staying home or by let's say thirty forty percent 1:04:11.733 --> 1:04:15.053 voting for Trump where normally only ten percent would could 1:04:15.053 --> 1:04:19.253 swing that state. Where and we go back to Minnesota, Minneapolis, 1:04:19.293 --> 1:04:23.533 Saint Paul, the big liberal centers, that is where your 1:04:23.773 --> 1:04:29.093 Muslim voters are concentrated, especially Somalian voters, and they are 1:04:29.133 --> 1:04:33.733 having the same buyer's remorse about Biden and Harris, and 1:04:33.853 --> 1:04:36.613 although it's less likely the tit Minnesota for the reasons 1:04:36.653 --> 1:04:40.773 we've already discussed in our conversation today, it's still one 1:04:40.773 --> 1:04:42.653 of the factors that appears to be making it a 1:04:42.693 --> 1:04:46.093 closet an uncomfortably close race of the Democrats. So there 1:04:46.133 --> 1:04:53.133 are obvious ethnic groups religious groups in America for whom 1:04:53.573 --> 1:04:56.373 what's happening in the Middle East is the number one 1:04:56.413 --> 1:05:01.813 issue an America's role in response to it, Whereas most 1:05:01.933 --> 1:05:07.053 voters they're broadly vaguely aware of what's going on, but 1:05:07.373 --> 1:05:11.293 they're concerned about it is more under the umbrella of 1:05:11.773 --> 1:05:14.533 the world seems to be spinning a bit out of control. 1:05:14.813 --> 1:05:17.333 And do I think these guys have a handle on 1:05:17.373 --> 1:05:21.693 it and can get things back on track, stabilize things, 1:05:21.773 --> 1:05:23.813 or do I blame them for it? So it's in 1:05:23.853 --> 1:05:27.853 a bucket with Ukraine, Iran. You know, it's all this 1:05:27.973 --> 1:05:30.493 stuff that if you're on the Trump side, you think, 1:05:31.053 --> 1:05:33.533 you know, they just screwed things up, and if you're 1:05:33.573 --> 1:05:35.773 on the Harris Biden side, you think they've made the 1:05:35.773 --> 1:05:37.093 best of a bad hand. 1:05:39.293 --> 1:05:41.533 Well, we started with the question of what was the 1:05:41.533 --> 1:05:45.173 biggest political issue or headline in the country at the moment. 1:05:45.933 --> 1:05:50.773 So let's conclude with hopefully something a little different. What 1:05:50.853 --> 1:05:54.493 would be the top good news story in America today? 1:05:55.973 --> 1:05:59.573 Sure, well, the top good news story getting some attention, 1:05:59.653 --> 1:06:02.493 particularly on a lot of attentions on social and alternative media, 1:06:03.013 --> 1:06:06.453 less so in mainstream media. But we always remain hopeful 1:06:06.493 --> 1:06:10.173 and optimistic, don't we. Late is actually the response to 1:06:10.213 --> 1:06:13.213 the hurricane, not the federal government response, not the government, 1:06:13.213 --> 1:06:15.813 the response of the democratic governor of North Carolina, the 1:06:15.893 --> 1:06:22.493 response of ordinary individual, regular average Americans. Both the financial 1:06:22.573 --> 1:06:26.773 assistance the people, number of people who are dropping everything 1:06:27.093 --> 1:06:29.573 and traveling there, and the hope they can do something 1:06:29.573 --> 1:06:34.173 to help the people there who are affected. They may 1:06:34.173 --> 1:06:36.373 have been as affected as anyone else, or they may have, 1:06:37.093 --> 1:06:39.533 from their point of view, been lucky in their house 1:06:39.613 --> 1:06:42.093 is flooded, but it's not destroyed. You know this, The 1:06:42.093 --> 1:06:44.573 people who still have water, or people some people have 1:06:44.613 --> 1:06:48.773 electricity back. They who are just dropping everything, you know, 1:06:48.813 --> 1:06:51.333 and just putting their shoulders to the will literally and 1:06:51.373 --> 1:06:55.893 figuratively to help out their neighbors, their you know, their 1:06:55.973 --> 1:06:59.493 their fellow citizens, they're fellow Americans. It is a phenomenal 1:07:00.013 --> 1:07:05.493 thing that's happening. It is incredibly it's conreadily moving and touching, 1:07:05.893 --> 1:07:12.693 and it's reassuring that this the sort of grassroots spirit 1:07:13.173 --> 1:07:20.693 of compassion and neighborliness and concern and a sense that 1:07:21.573 --> 1:07:24.773 what's happening to others, whether you know them or not, 1:07:25.493 --> 1:07:27.813 might in the moment, be as important, even more important, 1:07:27.853 --> 1:07:30.333 than what's happening to you in your own life. I 1:07:30.333 --> 1:07:32.773 think it's really it's you know, really quite something, really 1:07:32.853 --> 1:07:36.533 kind of moving, and I think it will become more 1:07:36.573 --> 1:07:39.453 and more prominent in terms of the coverage, and I think, 1:07:39.533 --> 1:07:41.253 you know, I suspect that, you know, they'll it's one 1:07:41.253 --> 1:07:43.093 of those things. There'll be at some point there'll be 1:07:43.133 --> 1:07:48.093 Netflix movies about this, because it is worse than Katrina. 1:07:49.253 --> 1:07:51.693 We just don't most people don't realize that because the 1:07:51.893 --> 1:07:56.693 media has decided to not announce it that way, not 1:07:56.853 --> 1:08:01.613 to allow that narrative to completely blossom. But so, yeah, 1:08:01.613 --> 1:08:05.373 that's actually it's there is There is good news beneath 1:08:05.493 --> 1:08:07.613 all of the all of the bad news. 1:08:07.813 --> 1:08:10.133 That was a that was a great answer, and I'm 1:08:10.253 --> 1:08:14.013 very pleased. And I asked the question because it's a 1:08:14.133 --> 1:08:18.133 very very good note to call it quits for this 1:08:18.213 --> 1:08:21.333 day and turn you loose, so that you can recover 1:08:21.413 --> 1:08:23.293 in time for election day. 1:08:24.773 --> 1:08:29.933 Absolutely, we just have to keep winding oneself up. And 1:08:30.253 --> 1:08:31.973 it's a little great when you're doing the polling and 1:08:32.013 --> 1:08:34.573 you're talking about elections every day and studying it all. 1:08:34.893 --> 1:08:39.293 It's very groundhog Day, right, It's every day seemed a 1:08:39.293 --> 1:08:40.893 little bit like that the part of the next one. 1:08:40.933 --> 1:08:44.213 But this year, so much has happened that only happened 1:08:44.213 --> 1:08:46.333 once a decade or once the century. It's all happening 1:08:46.333 --> 1:08:51.213 in the same few months that it sort of gives 1:08:51.253 --> 1:08:55.493 one a bolt of energy each time the latest craziness occurs, 1:08:55.493 --> 1:08:57.693 if I may sound put it so cold bloodedly. 1:08:58.813 --> 1:09:03.813 Indeed, Patrick Vasham, Director of Democracy Institute in Washington, d C. 1:09:04.653 --> 1:09:08.493 It's been fabulous having this discussion, and I appreciate at 1:09:08.533 --> 1:09:10.253 your time, your effort, your energy. 1:09:10.733 --> 1:09:15.413 Thank you, Laton, My pleasure always. 1:09:27.453 --> 1:09:30.893 Now into the mail room for Podcast two fifty nine, 1:09:30.933 --> 1:09:33.693 missus producer. You're looking terrifix. I'm not even go to ask. 1:09:33.853 --> 1:09:39.053 Oh, thanks, Layton. I'll always take a compliment. Brian Leyland, 1:09:39.133 --> 1:09:43.973 who's your sometime interviewee and specialist in energy matters, has 1:09:43.973 --> 1:09:47.253 written to you this week. So what he's got to say, Obviously, 1:09:47.293 --> 1:09:51.213 we should listen to closely. Brian says, if you've read 1:09:51.293 --> 1:09:53.253 mood of the boardroom in the Herald this morning, you 1:09:53.293 --> 1:09:56.053 would have seen that many senior people in the electricity 1:09:56.093 --> 1:09:59.493 industry seem to believe that building more and more intermittent 1:09:59.733 --> 1:10:03.813 and unreliable solar and wind power will provide us with 1:10:03.853 --> 1:10:08.813 an economic and reliable supply. It won't. The problem is 1:10:08.893 --> 1:10:12.733 that to provide enough energy for the four thousand milliwatts 1:10:12.773 --> 1:10:16.533 of postulated new demand, we will need to install about 1:10:16.573 --> 1:10:21.013 twelve thousand megawatts of wind and solar power. Sometimes this 1:10:21.093 --> 1:10:24.813 will produce maybe ten thousand megawatts and other times maybe 1:10:24.853 --> 1:10:28.853 a few hundred. This does not provide a reliable supply, 1:10:29.213 --> 1:10:32.973 and the cost of twelve thousand megawatts to supply eight 1:10:33.453 --> 1:10:38.373 four thousand megawatt load is extortionate. Another factor is that 1:10:38.533 --> 1:10:42.453 wind and solar are abundant, the surplus energy available will 1:10:42.453 --> 1:10:45.213 crash the price, and when they are not available, the 1:10:45.453 --> 1:10:49.333 prices will skyrocket. The economics of installing more and more 1:10:49.373 --> 1:10:53.493 wind and solar power is more than is installed. There 1:10:53.613 --> 1:10:56.253 is also a major problem with systems stability, but it 1:10:56.333 --> 1:11:00.613 is probably beyond the understanding of the average person. International 1:11:00.653 --> 1:11:03.733 statistics show that the more wind and solar power connected 1:11:03.733 --> 1:11:06.733 to the system, the higher the power price. That's from Brian. 1:11:06.893 --> 1:11:10.653 Yeah, well anything, Ryan says worth consideration. Don't have to 1:11:10.693 --> 1:11:14.093 agree with everything, but he is an independent I won't 1:11:14.213 --> 1:11:18.693 use the word expert, knowledgeable man with vast experience and 1:11:18.853 --> 1:11:20.853 probably more brains than the rest of them put together. 1:11:21.653 --> 1:11:25.773 Now from Brett, one can only hope humanity will eventually 1:11:25.853 --> 1:11:28.653 wake up to the corruption it has brought on itself, 1:11:28.933 --> 1:11:32.693 including here in New Zealand and turn the tide. The 1:11:32.733 --> 1:11:36.533 battle between light and dark has to play out, however messy. 1:11:36.973 --> 1:11:40.053 May the light stir and grow within humanity till it 1:11:40.173 --> 1:11:44.013 simply cannot be constrained. The dark elements will fight tooth 1:11:44.053 --> 1:11:47.773 and nail for increasing control, for it knows it cannot 1:11:47.773 --> 1:11:51.773 survive in the light should critical mass be reached. What 1:11:51.933 --> 1:11:55.133 is feared most is the common people having the empowerment 1:11:55.173 --> 1:12:00.133 of freedom of thought, of will and self determination. A 1:12:00.213 --> 1:12:04.773 self empowered, well informed people are the hardest to control 1:12:04.893 --> 1:12:10.613 and contain. Little bit of philosophy from HTT thank. 1:12:10.413 --> 1:12:15.013 You, Ladon Colin says the mood of the boardroom article 1:12:15.133 --> 1:12:18.333 in The Herald, where the CEOs and directors express their 1:12:18.373 --> 1:12:22.773 opinion on the upcoming USA election gives some insight on 1:12:23.013 --> 1:12:26.533 how they think. Only the CEO from One New Zealand, 1:12:26.573 --> 1:12:29.293 who put his name to an alternative of the group think, 1:12:29.573 --> 1:12:33.813 appeared to give more consideration to his answer. Most seem 1:12:33.853 --> 1:12:36.573 to miss the point that the middle class worldwide wants 1:12:36.573 --> 1:12:39.853 stability in the States and the world, and not the 1:12:39.893 --> 1:12:42.693 carnage we have now. If we carry on like this, 1:12:42.853 --> 1:12:47.053 it can be assumed trade worldwide will become increasingly difficult 1:12:47.053 --> 1:12:49.693 for a lot of countries. So I then looked at 1:12:49.733 --> 1:12:52.773 how they voted, first of all, going back to where 1:12:52.773 --> 1:12:56.173 they backed Hillary Clinton, who is part of the Obama administration. 1:12:57.213 --> 1:12:59.973 Then they backed Biden, who was also part of the 1:13:00.013 --> 1:13:04.213 same administration. Harris became his vice president, and this has 1:13:04.253 --> 1:13:08.853 also become a weak administration. It is difficult seeing Harris 1:13:09.013 --> 1:13:13.253 making much improvement as the same powerful people that support 1:13:13.333 --> 1:13:17.093 her and her running maker right back to that very administration. 1:13:18.053 --> 1:13:20.933 So therefore, the States has had a weak administration before 1:13:20.973 --> 1:13:24.253 and after Trump's, which gave a form of stability for 1:13:25.013 --> 1:13:28.453 US in the world until COVID. A lot of our 1:13:28.493 --> 1:13:32.813 boardroom people ignore that and give Harris their backing. I 1:13:32.813 --> 1:13:34.813 suppose it is to be expected as many of them 1:13:34.813 --> 1:13:38.773 pushed for the ar Durn administration and its disaster. So 1:13:39.173 --> 1:13:42.053 in summary, I concluded that some of the private and 1:13:42.133 --> 1:13:45.493 public executives seem to be quite a lot out of touch. 1:13:46.373 --> 1:13:49.093 Is this why so many of late are being or 1:13:49.213 --> 1:13:52.453 need to be replaced, Not so much because their qualifications 1:13:52.453 --> 1:13:56.373 don't fit, but because of their ingrained, woke herd mentality. 1:13:57.053 --> 1:13:59.213 And then Colin goes on to say, I see Toyota 1:13:59.253 --> 1:14:01.813 is sorting out more of the junk that their administrators 1:14:01.813 --> 1:14:04.053 and hung up on. So that will be a positive 1:14:04.093 --> 1:14:06.973 if more companies follow suitor. 1:14:07.213 --> 1:14:09.813 Well, I think he's a now US is actually very good. 1:14:10.813 --> 1:14:14.013 And the people that he referred to I have no 1:14:14.053 --> 1:14:18.053 idea who because but the in principle the group of 1:14:18.173 --> 1:14:21.093 people that he refers to will be slow. Well, they're 1:14:21.093 --> 1:14:25.413 slow learners. And as the likes of Toyota, I guess 1:14:25.493 --> 1:14:28.813 and others make the changes, and there's any number of 1:14:28.813 --> 1:14:33.013 them now and growing, those who live in ignorance in 1:14:33.053 --> 1:14:37.013 this country will pay the price. Now, Craig, I've got 1:14:37.093 --> 1:14:41.053 your email on COVID. I have not had a well, 1:14:41.053 --> 1:14:43.533 I only just got it. I haven't actually read it, 1:14:43.573 --> 1:14:48.213 but I've grasped that it's a sensitive email. I will 1:14:48.213 --> 1:14:53.093 give it to you consideration. Thank you now from Murray again, 1:14:53.133 --> 1:14:55.373 thanks for your excellent work. I still listen every week, 1:14:55.533 --> 1:14:59.333 and so you should. Doctor Merrick was a name that 1:14:59.493 --> 1:15:02.653 harked back to when I first became a fully fledged 1:15:02.693 --> 1:15:07.453 conspiracy theorist in twenty twenty. Along with Robert Malone, doctor McCulloch, 1:15:07.613 --> 1:15:11.253 doctor Kouri and others. These guys were the heroes, truth 1:15:11.373 --> 1:15:14.333 being too important for them to follow the money and 1:15:14.413 --> 1:15:16.693 Guy Hatchett and New Zealand also should take a bow. 1:15:17.893 --> 1:15:20.413 My horror at how everything went upside down in my 1:15:20.493 --> 1:15:23.573 home country was a lesson that I didn't really want. 1:15:23.853 --> 1:15:27.853 But as they say, you can't unsee these things. New 1:15:27.933 --> 1:15:31.893 Zealand's terrible authoritarian labor government, what they did for the 1:15:31.893 --> 1:15:35.253 country and certainly for me, or did to the country. 1:15:35.293 --> 1:15:37.613 You might say. I still follow the news from my 1:15:37.853 --> 1:15:40.533 new home in Australia, and it's not with pleasure that 1:15:40.613 --> 1:15:43.333 I see the media continue to follow the path that 1:15:43.413 --> 1:15:47.293 they have been on. I do hope that the natsen 1:15:47.373 --> 1:15:51.533 act and NZF the Coalition find good common ground and 1:15:51.693 --> 1:15:55.093 stick to their guns. The labor of mob in Australia 1:15:55.173 --> 1:15:58.173 is similar to the adern mob and almost as inept. 1:15:58.653 --> 1:16:01.653 They also have the taxpayer fund at ABC to do 1:16:01.733 --> 1:16:04.893 their media bidding. It looks like the worst excesses of 1:16:04.933 --> 1:16:09.653 neo Marxism are only getting worse, with the ABC concocting 1:16:09.733 --> 1:16:13.933 a scurlous hit job on Australian Defense Force soldiers. Thank 1:16:13.973 --> 1:16:17.933 goodness for Sky News Australia via YouTube. Who I would 1:16:17.973 --> 1:16:22.693 recommend to your listeners. I like your idea of recommended 1:16:22.733 --> 1:16:25.853 reading and I appreciate that. And there to be more today. 1:16:26.173 --> 1:16:29.613 Excellent guests, insightful interviewing Laton, thank you, Thank you, Marry. 1:16:31.653 --> 1:16:34.213 Talking of people moving to the four corners of the world, 1:16:34.293 --> 1:16:40.773 Greg is writing from Canada. His subject matter as woke Canada. Actually, 1:16:41.213 --> 1:16:44.173 he says, I recently moved from christ Church to Toronto 1:16:44.413 --> 1:16:47.573 with my family, and I can confirm Canada as drowning 1:16:47.613 --> 1:16:51.373 and wokeness. For example, my youngest son came home from 1:16:51.453 --> 1:16:54.413 school today and informed us they had someone come and 1:16:54.493 --> 1:16:58.893 talk to them about the Canadian pronoun law. Apparently it's 1:16:58.933 --> 1:17:02.413 an offense not to refer to someone by their chosen pronouns. 1:17:02.973 --> 1:17:05.253 The one saving grace is that my son and his 1:17:05.373 --> 1:17:08.893 mates thought it was ridiculous. Let's hope the next generation 1:17:09.093 --> 1:17:11.893 can sort this nonsense out and get back to using 1:17:12.013 --> 1:17:17.013 language as intended. It's interesting talking to everyday people. While 1:17:17.013 --> 1:17:19.653 they tend to keep their opinions to themselves, people can 1:17:19.693 --> 1:17:22.733 see the nonsense for what it is. By the way, 1:17:22.893 --> 1:17:25.973 says Greg, we won't be staying long term. New Zealand 1:17:26.053 --> 1:17:28.813 isn't as bad as we thought. That's nice to hear. 1:17:29.293 --> 1:17:31.613 Well, not as bad as where you went. Maybe maybe 1:17:31.613 --> 1:17:35.813 you made the wrong choice, just saying come home. It's 1:17:35.853 --> 1:17:43.453 a great place now. From Eileen on the American elections opinion, 1:17:44.213 --> 1:17:50.053 we're only one generation away from tyranny and totalitarianism. Who 1:17:50.093 --> 1:17:55.373 said that, Ronald Reagan? How inspiring are Tampon Tim Walls? 1:17:55.573 --> 1:17:57.453 And I can say that because as a woman that 1:17:57.493 --> 1:18:01.053 wrote it. And America's beauty pageant contests and Kamala Harris 1:18:01.373 --> 1:18:06.093 Kamala's girlish laughing and word Salard unburdening the burden is 1:18:06.133 --> 1:18:09.813 alleged to be a Marxist saying she's a good looking girl. 1:18:09.813 --> 1:18:16.053 Though really till he was telling Porky's about attending the 1:18:16.173 --> 1:18:21.573 nineteen eighty ninety Animan Square protest question mark, God bless 1:18:21.613 --> 1:18:25.293 America and God help America. On November five. 1:18:27.093 --> 1:18:29.653 Ladon Olivia says, I think the world is waking up 1:18:29.653 --> 1:18:31.973 to the fact that the Left has become the greatest 1:18:32.053 --> 1:18:36.813 threat to the free world. Imaginable. They ruined everything. Few 1:18:36.853 --> 1:18:39.373 people really understood that this was the way of things 1:18:39.453 --> 1:18:43.133 until the COVID hoax transpired. The right went along with 1:18:43.213 --> 1:18:45.573 all this. Two of course, they were not skeptical of 1:18:45.613 --> 1:18:48.973 big Farmer, but or more so about media and government. 1:18:49.493 --> 1:18:52.973 Yet on all things COVID related, chose to suddenly trust 1:18:53.053 --> 1:18:57.973 both media's and government's total capitulation to one very lucrative 1:18:58.013 --> 1:19:02.373 industry where the contracts were militantly hidden from all public 1:19:02.413 --> 1:19:04.613 scrutiny and still are. 1:19:05.053 --> 1:19:09.413 That's from Olivia, Good Olivia as always, although it's been 1:19:09.453 --> 1:19:14.293 a while, there's no question that they're being uncovered the 1:19:14.333 --> 1:19:17.693 woe plot all over the world. Wonder where they're going 1:19:17.693 --> 1:19:22.893 to ban the internet, missus producer. And finally, I bought 1:19:22.933 --> 1:19:27.933 a signed copy of Bibi my Story Benjamin Netanya Who's autobiography, 1:19:28.013 --> 1:19:30.533 in the hopes that it will increase in value one day. 1:19:31.133 --> 1:19:35.493 Given Ashley Rinsberg's positive assessment of the Israeli Prime Minister. 1:19:35.733 --> 1:19:39.613 I'm hopeful, I'm not surprised that Benjamin Netanya, who's polling 1:19:39.693 --> 1:19:43.813 as PM, has jumped ever since he decided to retaliate 1:19:43.933 --> 1:19:48.773 hard against the damned hamas Hezbila and Iranian terrorists, with 1:19:49.013 --> 1:19:52.893 or without the limp wristed Biden Harris America. Recently, I've 1:19:52.933 --> 1:19:55.773 come to realize one thing. This world has only two 1:19:55.773 --> 1:19:58.853 types of country leaders, the nice ones and the not 1:19:58.933 --> 1:20:02.413 so nice ones. The nice ones always prioritize looking good 1:20:02.573 --> 1:20:05.773 over the interests of their people. They always try to 1:20:05.773 --> 1:20:09.373 be friend terrorists at great cost to their own. These 1:20:09.973 --> 1:20:13.013 nice leaders always end up running their country down to 1:20:13.093 --> 1:20:16.933 the ground by feeding their desire to please all the 1:20:16.973 --> 1:20:20.933 wrong people. Examples of nice leaders include just Senda Adoern, 1:20:21.533 --> 1:20:25.933 Justin Trudeau, Joe Biden, and Kamander Harris. Then there are 1:20:25.973 --> 1:20:28.893 the not so nice leaders. These leaders prioritize the protection 1:20:29.013 --> 1:20:33.053 of their country's interests over their own because they know 1:20:33.213 --> 1:20:36.173 that if their country does well under their watch, they'll 1:20:36.213 --> 1:20:39.733 be rewarded by the people. These not always nice leaders 1:20:40.173 --> 1:20:43.613 don't be friend terrorists, they bomb them. Examples of not 1:20:43.653 --> 1:20:49.773 so nice leaders include Benjamin Netting, Yahoo, Javille Miller, South America, 1:20:50.293 --> 1:20:54.373 Donald Trump and JD. Vance and In less than thirty days, 1:20:54.373 --> 1:20:58.893 America decides between a nice Harris and a not so 1:20:59.053 --> 1:21:02.893 nice Trump. May God save America if they don't wish 1:21:02.973 --> 1:21:07.733 to save themselves. Thank you, Jim Missus, producer, Thank you, 1:21:07.973 --> 1:21:27.293 thank you. That was the mail room that was so 1:21:27.413 --> 1:21:29.693 to Jeremy Clarkson and what we have in common. And 1:21:29.733 --> 1:21:31.893 it's not the Farm. I bet you thought it was. 1:21:32.413 --> 1:21:36.053 It's not. For years the well, the family and others 1:21:36.533 --> 1:21:40.493 have been nagging me to watch Clarkson's Farm. I tried 1:21:40.533 --> 1:21:43.373 it once and I couldn't last. And the only reason 1:21:43.533 --> 1:21:46.093 I can put on it because everyone tells me how 1:21:46.173 --> 1:21:48.333 good it is and how much I'd love it. The 1:21:48.373 --> 1:21:51.333 only reason I can hold responsible for me not wanting 1:21:51.333 --> 1:21:55.413 to watch it is that it makes me sad having 1:21:55.453 --> 1:21:58.013 had one, having done all the things, driven the track, 1:21:58.053 --> 1:22:00.573 that grown the grapes, played with the Chucks, and I 1:22:00.573 --> 1:22:03.293 don't want to see somebody else doing it, had all 1:22:03.293 --> 1:22:06.573 the experience, and it would make me sad and maybe 1:22:06.573 --> 1:22:10.373 even shed a tear. So it's not that. No, it's 1:22:10.653 --> 1:22:16.653 Jeremy Clarkson reviewing the merceds AMGGT sixty three. Now I 1:22:16.773 --> 1:22:19.973 think it was the last. At the end of twenty eighteen, 1:22:20.053 --> 1:22:23.613 just before Christmas and we finished of the program I 1:22:23.933 --> 1:22:27.533 the radio program. I was asked what I wanted for Christmas. 1:22:27.733 --> 1:22:29.333 Could have been the first year of the podcast, it 1:22:29.333 --> 1:22:32.453 doesn't really matter it. Actually this is how it went. 1:22:32.973 --> 1:22:35.333 I said, I wanted a V eight and it had 1:22:35.373 --> 1:22:38.733 to be at least five liters, it had to be read, 1:22:39.453 --> 1:22:41.813 it had to be an suv, and it had to 1:22:41.853 --> 1:22:44.813 do not to one hundred and under five second. Well, 1:22:45.013 --> 1:22:48.493 in the end, I got everything bar the V eight, 1:22:48.813 --> 1:22:54.373 got the V six twin turbo Amgsuv and I love it. 1:22:54.813 --> 1:22:58.293 So this is Jeremy Clarkson in the Mescedes AMGGT sixty 1:22:58.373 --> 1:23:02.533 threes is in opening. When I put my foot down 1:23:02.773 --> 1:23:06.293 in my supercharged F type Jaguar, I never think on 1:23:06.973 --> 1:23:10.573 something's broken. To the accompaniment of a muted but rather 1:23:10.733 --> 1:23:13.573 delicious rear end cackle, it sets off at a pace 1:23:13.653 --> 1:23:14.973 you'd call exhilarating. 1:23:15.053 --> 1:23:15.733 It's nice. 1:23:15.933 --> 1:23:18.933 Some cars can't do this and they're boring, and some 1:23:19.013 --> 1:23:22.333 can do more than this and they're silly. The first 1:23:22.333 --> 1:23:25.453 car I drove with what I call silly performance was 1:23:25.493 --> 1:23:29.133 the Ferrari five nine to nine gto. It was fine 1:23:29.253 --> 1:23:32.693 on Ferrari's sunny test track in Italy, but in Scotland 1:23:33.253 --> 1:23:36.733 where it's raining and there was sheep. I simply couldn't 1:23:36.733 --> 1:23:39.173 put my food down hard in any of the first 1:23:39.213 --> 1:23:42.773 four gears. It was just too terrifying. Then there was 1:23:42.813 --> 1:23:44.933 the McLaren p one. He goes into a bit of 1:23:44.973 --> 1:23:48.293 detail and from there he said, I'm often told by 1:23:48.333 --> 1:23:52.333 planet enthusiasts that purely electrical cars can offer this level 1:23:52.333 --> 1:23:57.133 of performance, but that's nonsense. EV's are like teenage boys, 1:23:57.613 --> 1:23:59.893 lots of Well. I won't go into detail because this 1:23:59.973 --> 1:24:02.933 is a family show, but I drove an EV for 1:24:02.973 --> 1:24:05.733 the first time, the only time, when I had the 1:24:05.773 --> 1:24:10.253 car serviced about three months ago, and I have to 1:24:10.293 --> 1:24:15.613 say it was fascinating, but I still don't want one anyway. 1:24:16.093 --> 1:24:20.253 There's another problem with cars this fast. People adenoid people. 1:24:20.653 --> 1:24:23.573 Ever since the invention of the internal combustion engine. They've 1:24:23.573 --> 1:24:26.053 been in their villagers, hands on hips and dressed as 1:24:26.053 --> 1:24:30.053 speed cameras asking loudly why cars can can ever go 1:24:30.253 --> 1:24:34.453 faster than eighty k's an hour. And that's because that's 1:24:34.533 --> 1:24:38.013 the speed limit. Do you hear? Now? Today these people 1:24:38.093 --> 1:24:40.853 have developed a new technique. They get into their faceless 1:24:40.853 --> 1:24:46.533 boxes and drive around unbelievably slowly. I came back from 1:24:46.573 --> 1:24:49.613 somewhere last night. I don't know where it was, sirencestor. 1:24:50.253 --> 1:24:52.173 Hang on, I'm going to go and check with missus producer. 1:24:52.333 --> 1:24:58.053 She'd lived there somewhere. Okay, got it? Sirensster cr e 1:24:58.333 --> 1:25:02.093 n ceest sirens sster Now if they had it with 1:25:02.333 --> 1:25:05.053 an S at the front, it would have been easy, 1:25:05.453 --> 1:25:08.613 Siren says. Anyway, we sorted them. So I I'm back 1:25:08.653 --> 1:25:11.373 from the Siren Sister last night behind some kind of 1:25:11.413 --> 1:25:14.733 Mercedes people carrier, and it never once on a beautiful 1:25:14.773 --> 1:25:18.933 country road, exceeded fifty five k's and the break lights 1:25:18.933 --> 1:25:21.373 flashed on and off so regularly that I began to 1:25:21.373 --> 1:25:24.053 think that I was at a seventies rock gig. And 1:25:24.093 --> 1:25:25.733 then this morning I latched onto the bank of an 1:25:25.813 --> 1:25:28.813 MG going down the A forty at thirty ks an hour. 1:25:29.573 --> 1:25:32.733 Dawdling has become a national pastime, and there was a 1:25:32.773 --> 1:25:35.773 time when even the littlest old lady cruised down the 1:25:35.853 --> 1:25:39.733 road a road like this at ninety Not only more 1:25:40.333 --> 1:25:43.573 and this makes the idiotically fast cars even more soley 1:25:44.333 --> 1:25:47.453 as it's no longer the case that you aren't allowed 1:25:47.493 --> 1:25:50.973 to drive them quickly. You actually can't, and you can't 1:25:51.013 --> 1:25:53.853 overtake because there's always a cyclist coming the other way. 1:25:54.413 --> 1:25:56.933 All of which brings me to the new Mercedes AMG 1:25:57.253 --> 1:26:02.773 GT sixty three new questioned mark. It doesn't look it. 1:26:02.773 --> 1:26:05.973 It looks pretty much identical to the old GT sixty three, 1:26:06.773 --> 1:26:10.413 but it isn't. A very panel is different and now 1:26:10.413 --> 1:26:12.653 there are two seats in the back and four wheel drive. 1:26:12.813 --> 1:26:16.293 Plus it's bigger, much bigger. Parking will be an issue, 1:26:16.333 --> 1:26:19.733 I can assure you. And there's more. The gearbox is 1:26:19.773 --> 1:26:22.773 no longer at the other end of the prop shaft. 1:26:23.013 --> 1:26:26.253 It's attached to the engine, and the anti roll bars 1:26:26.253 --> 1:26:29.333 are being replaced by electronics, so they won't work after 1:26:29.373 --> 1:26:32.893 a while if you want everything to not work. There's 1:26:32.973 --> 1:26:38.613 even a hybrid version with fewer carbon dioxides the Mercedes 1:26:38.773 --> 1:26:43.413 AMGGT sixty three dash. The car I drove was the 1:26:43.733 --> 1:26:47.653 Premium Plus, which costs one hundred and sixty five thousand 1:26:47.813 --> 1:26:50.813 pounds in the UK, and I must say it feels 1:26:50.933 --> 1:26:53.613 like it should be more. It also feels like the 1:26:53.773 --> 1:26:58.333 engine is more powerful than it is because it's silly fast, 1:26:58.893 --> 1:27:04.693 scary fast. It's also loud, loud, like AMG Merks used 1:27:04.693 --> 1:27:07.173 to be when I was one of their most passionate customers. 1:27:07.573 --> 1:27:11.933 This car the growl of a bear called thunderstorm. It's 1:27:11.973 --> 1:27:15.853 a wondrous noise. And yet when you dig into the stats, 1:27:15.933 --> 1:27:18.333 you discover that the engine is not as the badge 1:27:18.333 --> 1:27:21.013 would imply, a six point three liter of the eight. 1:27:21.853 --> 1:27:25.173 It's a twin turbo four liter, just like mine, and 1:27:25.333 --> 1:27:28.493 it only produces four hundred and thirty kilowatts. It feels 1:27:28.813 --> 1:27:31.853 like a lot more. Maybe it's because the car is 1:27:32.053 --> 1:27:36.253 so huge. It's as though someone has fitted after burners 1:27:36.333 --> 1:27:40.493 to Yorkshire Mercedi says the car hits one hundred k's 1:27:40.533 --> 1:27:42.893 in three point two seconds, but again, I'd bet it's 1:27:42.973 --> 1:27:46.653 faster than that. The company also says it has limited 1:27:46.693 --> 1:27:49.653 the top speed to three hundred and fifteen k's, which 1:27:49.733 --> 1:27:52.333 brings me back to where I was. It's not the 1:27:52.413 --> 1:27:55.493 electronics that keeps this car anchored in the real world. 1:27:56.253 --> 1:28:00.253 It's the adenoidal clown in front and his horrible kiir. 1:28:01.213 --> 1:28:04.933 You don't know precisely what adenoidal means. You can look 1:28:04.973 --> 1:28:07.893 it up. It's not very kind. And then he goes 1:28:07.933 --> 1:28:11.013 on with the cat of experiences about driving between the 1:28:11.773 --> 1:28:14.413 farm and the pub, he says, but in the AMG 1:28:14.613 --> 1:28:17.653 it was a constant frustration, because even the tractors were 1:28:17.733 --> 1:28:20.293 being held up. Still, it gave me plenty of time 1:28:20.333 --> 1:28:22.613 to think about other things, such as the meaning of life, 1:28:23.013 --> 1:28:25.573 whether I could make it to the pub before mine ended, 1:28:26.133 --> 1:28:29.213 and how lovely the dashboard was. I also noticed the 1:28:29.293 --> 1:28:33.453 seats were superb, that the rear wheel steering wasn't too vicious, 1:28:34.013 --> 1:28:37.133 and that the ride in comfort mode at least was 1:28:37.333 --> 1:28:40.813 rather good, maybe because the front and back wheels are 1:28:40.893 --> 1:28:45.253 so far apart. And then he concludes, ordinarily, using drapes 1:28:45.333 --> 1:28:47.893 and tape to make a car bearable would cause me 1:28:47.973 --> 1:28:51.653 the question to question the wisdom of buying it. And 1:28:51.733 --> 1:28:55.093 I'd be similarly hesitant about buying all that power that 1:28:55.173 --> 1:28:57.413 I could never use, especially as it comes in a 1:28:57.453 --> 1:29:02.933 package that's only really parkable in Nevada. And yet this 1:29:03.133 --> 1:29:06.613 is the first fast Mercedes I've driven in a very 1:29:06.693 --> 1:29:10.893 long time that I've truly enjoyed. It's mad and completely 1:29:10.933 --> 1:29:13.373 out of tune with the times, but I loved the 1:29:13.453 --> 1:29:17.173 loudness and the unnecessariness of it all. Richard Hammond tells 1:29:17.253 --> 1:29:19.573 me that he seriously thought about buying a GT, but 1:29:19.733 --> 1:29:23.453 settled in the end for some kind of portion nine 1:29:23.493 --> 1:29:27.213 to eleven. You made a mistake, mate. The Merks and 1:29:27.413 --> 1:29:32.213 Absolute Belter details four liter of V eight twin turbo 1:29:32.293 --> 1:29:35.133 petrol performance not to one hundred and three point two 1:29:35.173 --> 1:29:38.173 seconds top speed, three hundred and fifteen k's price. The 1:29:38.293 --> 1:29:41.693 GT sixty three series starts from three hundred and sixty 1:29:41.813 --> 1:29:47.173 six thousand, five hundred Australian dollars and it still only 1:29:47.253 --> 1:29:53.493 gets four stars, not five. So that's what Jeremy and 1:29:53.613 --> 1:29:57.853 I have in common, a love for a particular Mercedes. 1:29:58.813 --> 1:30:01.573 And I read no, I didn't. I watched a review 1:30:01.653 --> 1:30:04.293 of the latest of my model, which is now three 1:30:04.373 --> 1:30:06.653 years old, a couple of days ago, and I thought, 1:30:07.173 --> 1:30:09.613 do I need that? The answer was no, I don't 1:30:09.693 --> 1:30:11.853 need it. And besides that, it's got one of those 1:30:12.573 --> 1:30:16.253 feral engines, which actually would save a lot of money. 1:30:16.733 --> 1:30:20.853 I will probably just stick to the one I've got forever. 1:30:21.253 --> 1:30:23.653 And the thought of the GT sixty three, and would 1:30:23.653 --> 1:30:26.413 I could I afford it? If I started saving. 1:30:26.133 --> 1:30:26.613 For it now? 1:30:27.533 --> 1:30:29.573 It would be an antique car before I could buy it, 1:30:30.293 --> 1:30:33.333 and that would mean that I wouldn't be here to 1:30:33.413 --> 1:30:40.573 do it. So with all that in mind, that will 1:30:40.613 --> 1:30:43.533 take us out for podcast Take us out for Podcasts 1:30:43.573 --> 1:30:46.973 two hundred and fifty nine. 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