1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks a B. 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:16,213 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,773 --> 00:00:19,813 Speaker 1: It's time from all the Attitude, all the opinion, all 4 00:00:19,853 --> 00:00:24,333 Speaker 1: the information, all the debates of the US, Now the 5 00:00:24,533 --> 00:00:27,733 Speaker 1: Leyton Smith Podcast powered by News Talks it B. 6 00:00:28,213 --> 00:00:31,693 Speaker 2: Welcome to Podcasts two hundred and fifty nine for October nine, 7 00:00:31,813 --> 00:00:35,333 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. There's a handful of contributors who have 8 00:00:35,613 --> 00:00:39,533 Speaker 2: guested on my broadcast radio and podcast over the years. 9 00:00:39,893 --> 00:00:43,333 Speaker 2: A small group of individuals who are frequently inquired about, 10 00:00:43,493 --> 00:00:46,973 Speaker 2: as in when is ex y or Z going to 11 00:00:47,013 --> 00:00:50,733 Speaker 2: be on again? Patrick Basham is one example, more particularly 12 00:00:50,853 --> 00:00:54,293 Speaker 2: at the moment because of the presidential election, and in 13 00:00:54,293 --> 00:00:58,133 Speaker 2: two five nine he doesn't disappoint, and via the Daily Express, 14 00:00:58,253 --> 00:01:01,973 Speaker 2: Patrick has some new and fresh polling numbers. Again. He 15 00:01:02,053 --> 00:01:06,053 Speaker 2: details the methodology used by Democracy Institute in gathering them, 16 00:01:06,213 --> 00:01:09,933 Speaker 2: and it's proved to be very reliable. However, that aside, 17 00:01:10,053 --> 00:01:12,333 Speaker 2: I woke up this morning feeling different, a different frame 18 00:01:12,373 --> 00:01:14,893 Speaker 2: of mind, if you like. Can't explain it, but can 19 00:01:14,973 --> 00:01:19,053 Speaker 2: say that it's denying me the desire to be too serious. 20 00:01:19,533 --> 00:01:23,493 Speaker 2: So after the mail room, I'll reveal what Jeremy Clarkson 21 00:01:23,653 --> 00:01:26,493 Speaker 2: and I have in common. That is probably not what 22 00:01:26,573 --> 00:01:30,493 Speaker 2: you think. But first, on the subject of multiculturalism, which 23 00:01:30,773 --> 00:01:33,773 Speaker 2: seems to be plaguing the world at the moment, there's 24 00:01:33,773 --> 00:01:36,653 Speaker 2: a few references I'd like to make mention of. In 25 00:01:36,693 --> 00:01:41,093 Speaker 2: twenty eleven, a Muslim from Canada named Salem men Surr 26 00:01:42,213 --> 00:01:46,773 Speaker 2: wrote a book called Delectable Lie, a Liberal repudiation of Multiculturalism. 27 00:01:47,373 --> 00:01:49,333 Speaker 2: It was a book that, well, let me put it 28 00:01:49,373 --> 00:01:53,573 Speaker 2: this way. My point is that although multiculturalism once seemed 29 00:01:53,613 --> 00:01:56,773 Speaker 2: a very good idea, at least to politicians and others 30 00:01:56,973 --> 00:02:00,693 Speaker 2: smitten with the ambition for unity, it is increasingly shown 31 00:02:00,733 --> 00:02:03,893 Speaker 2: to be a lie, a delectable lie, perhaps yet a 32 00:02:03,933 --> 00:02:08,733 Speaker 2: lie nevertheless that is destructive of the West's life, liberal 33 00:02:08,773 --> 00:02:13,213 Speaker 2: democratic heritage, its tradition and values based on individual rights 34 00:02:13,213 --> 00:02:17,493 Speaker 2: and freedoms. This could have been foretold, as indeed, those 35 00:02:17,533 --> 00:02:23,413 Speaker 2: philosophers and historians of ideas who viewed freedom as immeasurably 36 00:02:23,453 --> 00:02:26,213 Speaker 2: more important than equality in the development of the West 37 00:02:26,733 --> 00:02:31,693 Speaker 2: did foretell. They admonished people against the temptation to abridge 38 00:02:31,693 --> 00:02:35,813 Speaker 2: freedom in pursuit of equality. Now that's a very telling 39 00:02:35,933 --> 00:02:38,733 Speaker 2: little paragraph, And there is much more to it, of course, 40 00:02:39,013 --> 00:02:41,693 Speaker 2: especially in Canada, which seems to have led the way 41 00:02:41,813 --> 00:02:45,253 Speaker 2: over the years of trying to abridge this problem. Now 42 00:02:45,293 --> 00:02:48,773 Speaker 2: in Australia. Over the weekend, of course, there were lots 43 00:02:48,773 --> 00:02:52,533 Speaker 2: of demonstrations, and some of them pretty vicious. Nick Cator, 44 00:02:52,653 --> 00:02:55,973 Speaker 2: writing in The Australian under the heading of failure of 45 00:02:56,053 --> 00:03:00,693 Speaker 2: leadership has led to ugly tribalism on streets and university campuses, 46 00:03:01,013 --> 00:03:05,213 Speaker 2: wrote some extremely good commentary, referring to a speech, one 47 00:03:05,253 --> 00:03:10,133 Speaker 2: speech in particular, but some more in general. He said 48 00:03:10,373 --> 00:03:14,213 Speaker 2: that hideous distortion of the truth was voiced by Sheikh 49 00:03:14,253 --> 00:03:18,213 Speaker 2: Ibrahim de Doon in Western Sydney a day after the attacks, 50 00:03:18,613 --> 00:03:21,933 Speaker 2: when he said, I'm smiling and unhappy, I'm elated. It's 51 00:03:21,973 --> 00:03:24,213 Speaker 2: a day of courage, it's a day of resistance, it's 52 00:03:24,213 --> 00:03:26,493 Speaker 2: a day of pride, it's a day of victory. He 53 00:03:26,573 --> 00:03:29,253 Speaker 2: told the crowd. That was the day after, of course, 54 00:03:29,293 --> 00:03:33,773 Speaker 2: October seventh of last year. Nick says the importation of 55 00:03:33,853 --> 00:03:38,413 Speaker 2: this tribal animus into Australian civic society is the most 56 00:03:38,573 --> 00:03:42,293 Speaker 2: disturbing consequence of last year's attacks. It found fertile ground 57 00:03:42,333 --> 00:03:48,133 Speaker 2: among progressive intellectuals mired in Western self loathing and affixated 58 00:03:48,173 --> 00:03:52,133 Speaker 2: on race, gender and identity. The plight of civilians caught 59 00:03:52,133 --> 00:03:54,013 Speaker 2: in the middle of the war in Gaza is merely 60 00:03:54,093 --> 00:03:59,453 Speaker 2: the post hoc justification for a visceral sense of historical 61 00:03:59,493 --> 00:04:04,573 Speaker 2: grievance against the Jewish state and the Jewish people. And 62 00:04:04,613 --> 00:04:07,733 Speaker 2: then there is this. The wealthy owner of the Nomad 63 00:04:07,813 --> 00:04:10,533 Speaker 2: restaurants in Sydney and Melbourne has been revealed as the 64 00:04:10,573 --> 00:04:15,933 Speaker 2: protester arrested for allegedly holding up a Swashtika sign superimposed 65 00:04:16,013 --> 00:04:19,893 Speaker 2: over an Israeli flag at Sunday's pro Palestine rally in Sydney. 66 00:04:20,653 --> 00:04:24,813 Speaker 2: Alan Yazbek being charged with knowingly displaying a Nazi symbol 67 00:04:24,933 --> 00:04:27,973 Speaker 2: in public after he allegedly held the sign which bore 68 00:04:28,013 --> 00:04:33,133 Speaker 2: the words stopped Nazi Israel. He and his wife, who 69 00:04:33,213 --> 00:04:36,133 Speaker 2: was an interior architect, have run the popular Surrey Hills 70 00:04:36,133 --> 00:04:40,373 Speaker 2: restaurant No Mad since twenty thirteen. The Australian newspaper understands 71 00:04:40,413 --> 00:04:44,333 Speaker 2: they say several patrons rushed to cancel bookings on Tuesday 72 00:04:44,413 --> 00:04:47,893 Speaker 2: night after news of the charges spread among the Jewish community. 73 00:04:48,573 --> 00:04:52,773 Speaker 2: And who can blame them this couple. I don't know 74 00:04:52,773 --> 00:04:57,373 Speaker 2: whether they were migrants from far away or whether they 75 00:04:57,413 --> 00:05:00,733 Speaker 2: were born in Australia. It doesn't reveal that. But they 76 00:05:00,773 --> 00:05:02,653 Speaker 2: started their business just over a decade ago with a 77 00:05:02,693 --> 00:05:05,213 Speaker 2: thirty seat cellar door that became a two hundred seat 78 00:05:05,213 --> 00:05:08,893 Speaker 2: restaurant with food inspired by their travels through Spain and 79 00:05:08,893 --> 00:05:11,693 Speaker 2: the Middle East. Had a focus on cooking over fire. 80 00:05:12,253 --> 00:05:14,573 Speaker 2: I'm sure there must be a book or two on 81 00:05:14,653 --> 00:05:18,173 Speaker 2: the restaurants, and then, as the media generally does in 82 00:05:18,253 --> 00:05:22,413 Speaker 2: circumstances like this, they list the restaurants that they owned 83 00:05:22,693 --> 00:05:25,653 Speaker 2: or now own, and then went into a bit of 84 00:05:25,853 --> 00:05:28,813 Speaker 2: private life. The couple paid four million for their home 85 00:05:28,893 --> 00:05:32,893 Speaker 2: in the affluent eastern Sydney suburb of Willara in twenty sixteen, 86 00:05:33,333 --> 00:05:36,693 Speaker 2: but more recently this year apparently they bought an eleven 87 00:05:36,693 --> 00:05:41,333 Speaker 2: million dollar house in Albert Park in Melbourne. On Sunday, 88 00:05:41,333 --> 00:05:44,333 Speaker 2: mister Yazbek joined the crowd of ten thousand pro Palestine 89 00:05:44,813 --> 00:05:48,933 Speaker 2: protesters who had been given permission to march through the 90 00:05:48,973 --> 00:05:52,493 Speaker 2: streets of Sydney CBD, but police allege the fifty six 91 00:05:52,613 --> 00:05:57,213 Speaker 2: year old failed to heat warnings not to display offensive material. Now, 92 00:05:57,253 --> 00:06:00,173 Speaker 2: the first mistake that was made was to give them 93 00:06:00,173 --> 00:06:05,453 Speaker 2: permission to demonstrate against the country that their kinvote, that 94 00:06:05,573 --> 00:06:11,573 Speaker 2: their kinfolk attacked and murdered and slaughtered twelve hundred people, 95 00:06:11,893 --> 00:06:17,053 Speaker 2: not to forget those who were hijacked back to Gaza. 96 00:06:17,573 --> 00:06:20,333 Speaker 2: But that's not right, that's not really what I mentioned 97 00:06:20,333 --> 00:06:24,933 Speaker 2: this for. It's multiculturalism that we have a problem with, 98 00:06:25,413 --> 00:06:28,093 Speaker 2: and it's a growing problem and it needs to be addressed. 99 00:06:28,453 --> 00:06:33,933 Speaker 2: The Australian government the most incompetent government arguably ever. I 100 00:06:33,973 --> 00:06:36,213 Speaker 2: heard somebody say that it was worse than the Golf 101 00:06:36,213 --> 00:06:41,373 Speaker 2: Whitnam government. Well it is. They are hopeless, useless and stupid. 102 00:06:41,653 --> 00:06:44,533 Speaker 2: But Australia is in trouble because there is a shortage 103 00:06:44,573 --> 00:06:49,093 Speaker 2: of real talent. The Liberal leader, of course, is improving 104 00:06:49,133 --> 00:06:52,693 Speaker 2: out of sight. But nevertheless there's a way to go 105 00:06:52,933 --> 00:06:58,133 Speaker 2: and one hopes and even praise that peace will settle 106 00:06:58,173 --> 00:07:03,573 Speaker 2: itself on these problems facing Australia now in a moment. 107 00:07:03,693 --> 00:07:17,373 Speaker 2: Patrick Masham Laton Smith. Leverrix is an antihistamine made in 108 00:07:17,413 --> 00:07:21,373 Speaker 2: Switzerland to the highest quality. 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It is always a pleasure to 125 00:08:30,093 --> 00:08:32,733 Speaker 3: speak with you, a pleasure and an honor to speak 126 00:08:32,773 --> 00:08:35,333 Speaker 3: with your final audience. Always grateful for the opportunity to 127 00:08:35,373 --> 00:08:39,173 Speaker 3: talk about all things American and occasionally things further afield 128 00:08:39,213 --> 00:08:39,573 Speaker 3: as well. 129 00:08:39,973 --> 00:08:42,333 Speaker 2: I had over the last couple of weeks I had 130 00:08:42,413 --> 00:08:46,573 Speaker 2: when's Patrick Basham coming on on multiple occasions, and I 131 00:08:46,613 --> 00:08:50,013 Speaker 2: said last week because I was thinking I thought it 132 00:08:50,053 --> 00:08:52,933 Speaker 2: was last week and then it wasn't. But here we are, 133 00:08:53,213 --> 00:08:55,693 Speaker 2: and it might be appropriate to say that at this 134 00:08:55,733 --> 00:09:00,013 Speaker 2: point of time that election day is here a Wednesday, 135 00:09:01,453 --> 00:09:06,133 Speaker 2: and Wednesday is podcast day. So we're going to we're 136 00:09:06,173 --> 00:09:09,853 Speaker 2: going to meet up in this fact and cover off 137 00:09:09,893 --> 00:09:15,373 Speaker 2: some stuff right on the bill. So I have a 138 00:09:15,493 --> 00:09:19,133 Speaker 2: question for you, and I'll be interested in your response 139 00:09:20,253 --> 00:09:24,733 Speaker 2: today as we speak, what would be the biggest political 140 00:09:24,773 --> 00:09:27,333 Speaker 2: headline in the US. 141 00:09:29,213 --> 00:09:32,213 Speaker 3: It's a variety of headlines on the same theme about 142 00:09:32,973 --> 00:09:37,933 Speaker 3: how close the race is between Harris and Trump, whether 143 00:09:38,613 --> 00:09:43,213 Speaker 3: you know, whether Trump is going to self destruct as 144 00:09:43,213 --> 00:09:45,293 Speaker 3: he apparently has done in the past, allegedly has done 145 00:09:45,333 --> 00:09:49,053 Speaker 3: the past, and it's hope for it does again. Is 146 00:09:49,213 --> 00:09:53,813 Speaker 3: Harris putting the coalition back together again? You know? So 147 00:09:53,853 --> 00:09:56,693 Speaker 3: it's reflective of the fact that it's a reflection of 148 00:09:56,733 --> 00:10:03,653 Speaker 3: the fact that even the traditionally unreliable mainstream media polling 149 00:10:03,733 --> 00:10:08,173 Speaker 3: indicates that this is it is a very competitive race 150 00:10:08,813 --> 00:10:12,453 Speaker 3: and that no one can be certain based on that 151 00:10:12,573 --> 00:10:14,973 Speaker 3: those sort of polls as to you know, who will 152 00:10:14,973 --> 00:10:16,973 Speaker 3: be the victor, even though we all know who should be. 153 00:10:18,093 --> 00:10:21,253 Speaker 3: So that's the sort of horse race thing that is 154 00:10:21,293 --> 00:10:26,293 Speaker 3: dominating right now. If I might take a moment to 155 00:10:26,653 --> 00:10:30,533 Speaker 3: mention what I think should be the story, one because 156 00:10:30,533 --> 00:10:33,853 Speaker 3: I believe it should be, and also because I think 157 00:10:33,853 --> 00:10:39,213 Speaker 3: it's it's a below the radar story in terms or 158 00:10:40,053 --> 00:10:43,933 Speaker 3: variable that is actually going to impact the outcome to 159 00:10:43,973 --> 00:10:47,173 Speaker 3: some extent. And the story, of course should be the 160 00:10:47,413 --> 00:10:51,813 Speaker 3: appalling pathetic in all senses of the word federal government 161 00:10:51,933 --> 00:10:57,013 Speaker 3: Biden Harris regime response to the hurricane in the Southeast 162 00:10:58,133 --> 00:11:03,573 Speaker 3: States of the United States. That that story was completely 163 00:11:03,613 --> 00:11:07,173 Speaker 3: buried the first few days by the mainstream media, but 164 00:11:07,933 --> 00:11:12,253 Speaker 3: the situation cuation was so bad and thanks to social media, 165 00:11:12,533 --> 00:11:15,733 Speaker 3: that the mainstream media by late last week had to 166 00:11:15,773 --> 00:11:20,173 Speaker 3: start covering it with at least a modicum of accuracy. 167 00:11:20,933 --> 00:11:24,173 Speaker 3: And of course that's the story gets out. Things just 168 00:11:24,213 --> 00:11:28,973 Speaker 3: get worse and worse, and Harris and her campaign are 169 00:11:29,053 --> 00:11:35,093 Speaker 3: so inept that and so to have such a ten 170 00:11:35,213 --> 00:11:38,733 Speaker 3: ear politically cannot read the room that they've sort of 171 00:11:38,773 --> 00:11:45,853 Speaker 3: made every optic related mistake and sort of verbal mistake 172 00:11:45,933 --> 00:11:49,133 Speaker 3: you can make in terms of responding to this, and 173 00:11:49,213 --> 00:11:53,013 Speaker 3: so the story has more than the story that there's 174 00:11:53,053 --> 00:11:56,733 Speaker 3: a real story that has truly has legs, should have legs. 175 00:11:57,173 --> 00:11:59,853 Speaker 3: But what they've done and what Biden's done, or more 176 00:11:59,893 --> 00:12:02,453 Speaker 3: to the point, what they haven't done, has just fueled 177 00:12:02,453 --> 00:12:07,933 Speaker 3: that fire. And so it is something which is reinforcing 178 00:12:08,013 --> 00:12:13,093 Speaker 3: the enthusiasm amongst those who are already committed to voting 179 00:12:13,173 --> 00:12:17,373 Speaker 3: against Harris to ensure that they do because they see this, 180 00:12:17,533 --> 00:12:21,813 Speaker 3: I think, with a great deal of accuracy, very correctly 181 00:12:22,093 --> 00:12:30,413 Speaker 3: as it epitomizes the incompetence and of the Biden Harris 182 00:12:30,853 --> 00:12:37,653 Speaker 3: administration and also the degree to which they enthusiastically politicize 183 00:12:38,093 --> 00:12:41,493 Speaker 3: every decision that they make. Uh, and they have as 184 00:12:41,533 --> 00:12:42,573 Speaker 3: they have a pear to have done so. 185 00:12:42,653 --> 00:12:46,533 Speaker 2: In this case, you said something a moutent ago about 186 00:12:46,533 --> 00:12:51,533 Speaker 2: reading the room, and I misheard you momentarily. But I 187 00:12:51,573 --> 00:12:54,213 Speaker 2: want to, I want to, I want to utilize it. 188 00:12:56,493 --> 00:13:00,533 Speaker 2: She's doing a good job or a bad job of 189 00:13:01,173 --> 00:13:07,813 Speaker 2: reading the womb to say room or womb, I said 190 00:13:07,853 --> 00:13:12,493 Speaker 2: womb ah, yes, because that's it seems to be leading 191 00:13:12,853 --> 00:13:18,253 Speaker 2: hitting her whole approach absolutely. 192 00:13:18,293 --> 00:13:22,533 Speaker 3: The only really, the only policy position that she is 193 00:13:22,573 --> 00:13:27,133 Speaker 3: sort of proactively staked out and stood firm on is 194 00:13:27,173 --> 00:13:33,413 Speaker 3: her commitment to basically no limits or constraints on a 195 00:13:33,453 --> 00:13:39,053 Speaker 3: woman's reproductive rights, as you know, as defined by the Democrats. Interestingly, 196 00:13:40,493 --> 00:13:45,973 Speaker 3: when posters ask whether they're Republican Harris voters, Trump voters, 197 00:13:46,053 --> 00:13:49,613 Speaker 3: or independence when they ask what do you know about 198 00:13:49,653 --> 00:13:55,733 Speaker 3: Harris's policy positions, overwhelmingly, across the board, no one knows. 199 00:13:55,973 --> 00:13:59,053 Speaker 3: No one, no average voter, regardless of how they're voting, 200 00:13:59,973 --> 00:14:03,893 Speaker 3: knows much about what they what she is going to 201 00:14:03,933 --> 00:14:05,653 Speaker 3: do or says she's going to do, because she hasn't 202 00:14:05,653 --> 00:14:09,853 Speaker 3: said very much. But the one issue where you get 203 00:14:09,893 --> 00:14:13,733 Speaker 3: something like twenty five thirty thirty five percent across the board, 204 00:14:13,773 --> 00:14:17,133 Speaker 3: everybody's confident in saying, I know where she stands on abortion. 205 00:14:17,813 --> 00:14:22,933 Speaker 3: It's the one thing that they have stressed and so her. 206 00:14:23,333 --> 00:14:26,013 Speaker 3: What they're doing with that, I mean, we don't know 207 00:14:26,093 --> 00:14:28,093 Speaker 3: yet whether it's going to work, but it's you know, 208 00:14:28,173 --> 00:14:33,653 Speaker 3: it's incredibly disingenuous. Is they are doing the traditional democratic 209 00:14:33,733 --> 00:14:35,573 Speaker 3: thing of saying, you know, where for a woman's right 210 00:14:35,613 --> 00:14:39,613 Speaker 3: to choose, we protect a woman's reproductive freedom, et cetera. 211 00:14:40,053 --> 00:14:43,933 Speaker 3: The other guys are anti abortion, but they've extended that 212 00:14:44,213 --> 00:14:48,093 Speaker 3: and they're just blatantly lying about what the Supreme Court 213 00:14:48,133 --> 00:14:52,813 Speaker 3: decision over over through Roe v. Wade means and meant 214 00:14:53,453 --> 00:14:57,853 Speaker 3: they're completely lying about Trump's position on whether on a 215 00:14:57,933 --> 00:15:01,853 Speaker 3: national abortion ban, which she's against, et cetera, et cetera. 216 00:15:02,733 --> 00:15:06,373 Speaker 3: And so they they're using this and it's often very 217 00:15:06,373 --> 00:15:11,093 Speaker 3: effective in terms of fundraising and ensuring that the liberal 218 00:15:11,293 --> 00:15:15,173 Speaker 3: female base of the party turns out to vote, you know, 219 00:15:15,213 --> 00:15:18,133 Speaker 3: where they paint whoever the Republican is. In this came 220 00:15:18,173 --> 00:15:20,933 Speaker 3: Trump case case Trump as someone you know from the 221 00:15:21,413 --> 00:15:24,573 Speaker 3: you know from from nineteen twenty four, not twenty twenty four, 222 00:15:24,573 --> 00:15:28,973 Speaker 3: in terms of their attitudes to female to women's reproductive rights, 223 00:15:29,133 --> 00:15:32,933 Speaker 3: and themselves as a defender of that. And of course, 224 00:15:32,933 --> 00:15:36,613 Speaker 3: the one quite effective way in which both Trump and JD. 225 00:15:36,733 --> 00:15:41,733 Speaker 3: Vance and others have pushed back is they have pointed 226 00:15:41,733 --> 00:15:44,933 Speaker 3: out one that you know, they actually do but think 227 00:15:44,933 --> 00:15:47,973 Speaker 3: that there are exceptions to abortion bands. They're not in 228 00:15:48,053 --> 00:15:50,973 Speaker 3: favor of a national one. But they've pointed out that 229 00:15:51,213 --> 00:15:56,253 Speaker 3: Harris and her running mate do not agree with any 230 00:15:56,293 --> 00:15:58,853 Speaker 3: restrictions literally up to the moment, in fact, past the 231 00:15:58,893 --> 00:16:03,573 Speaker 3: moment of birth. And so it's become this you know, 232 00:16:03,653 --> 00:16:08,253 Speaker 3: sort of ping pong match, which is important, very important 233 00:16:08,413 --> 00:16:11,333 Speaker 3: to some people on both sides, but in both cases 234 00:16:11,373 --> 00:16:15,493 Speaker 3: it's a minority, and you know, there are other issues 235 00:16:15,533 --> 00:16:18,453 Speaker 3: that are far more important right now to most people. 236 00:16:18,773 --> 00:16:21,213 Speaker 3: But what I think the thing it really tells us latent. 237 00:16:21,893 --> 00:16:27,493 Speaker 3: It epitomizes how the Harris campaign has focused from the 238 00:16:27,533 --> 00:16:32,133 Speaker 3: get go on issues which are really really important to 239 00:16:32,213 --> 00:16:35,533 Speaker 3: their core constituency. Now, obviously you have to keep your 240 00:16:35,573 --> 00:16:39,253 Speaker 3: core your base vot is happy, but she's in a position, 241 00:16:39,293 --> 00:16:43,373 Speaker 3: as Biden was, of needing to enlarge the tent a little, 242 00:16:43,653 --> 00:16:47,853 Speaker 3: and they're not obviously attempting to do that, which you 243 00:16:47,893 --> 00:16:50,533 Speaker 3: can either view as an aptitude or you can view 244 00:16:50,573 --> 00:16:53,053 Speaker 3: it as an acknowledgment on their part that they just 245 00:16:53,093 --> 00:16:55,013 Speaker 3: simply have to minimize their losses. 246 00:16:56,693 --> 00:17:00,733 Speaker 2: If I could jump ahead just a little, the Democracy 247 00:17:00,813 --> 00:17:04,333 Speaker 2: Institute and the Daily Express you have run and you've 248 00:17:04,373 --> 00:17:08,093 Speaker 2: been doing this for some years. You've run polling on 249 00:17:08,453 --> 00:17:12,133 Speaker 2: half of both of your organizations. Is the day the 250 00:17:12,173 --> 00:17:15,413 Speaker 2: Express a printed a printed paper in America or oh 251 00:17:15,453 --> 00:17:21,253 Speaker 2: it's online online? Yeah, the way of the future. The 252 00:17:21,293 --> 00:17:25,813 Speaker 2: most important issues. I'm interested to see that. I was 253 00:17:26,013 --> 00:17:31,373 Speaker 2: that abortion is fifth on the list, but only eleven percent, 254 00:17:32,693 --> 00:17:39,893 Speaker 2: So you've got inflation at the top, immigration, economy, crime, abortion, healthcare, 255 00:17:40,613 --> 00:17:43,733 Speaker 2: and I'm very pleased to say climate change is last 256 00:17:44,333 --> 00:17:45,653 Speaker 2: on six percent. 257 00:17:47,093 --> 00:17:47,893 Speaker 3: Yes, so. 258 00:17:49,653 --> 00:17:53,573 Speaker 2: That that that to me is very satisfactory. But the 259 00:17:53,933 --> 00:17:56,573 Speaker 2: but the abortion aspect of it is less than than 260 00:17:56,573 --> 00:17:57,733 Speaker 2: I would have anticipated. 261 00:17:58,293 --> 00:18:02,533 Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, and it's it's it is a demonstrates what 262 00:18:02,853 --> 00:18:05,973 Speaker 3: I illustrates what I was just touching on there, that 263 00:18:06,333 --> 00:18:09,333 Speaker 3: it is a very important issue to a small minority. 264 00:18:09,333 --> 00:18:12,213 Speaker 3: It's the issue to a small minority on both sides 265 00:18:12,853 --> 00:18:17,413 Speaker 3: of the issue. But this is an election that is 266 00:18:17,493 --> 00:18:23,013 Speaker 3: being and will be dominated issue wise by the candidates 267 00:18:23,173 --> 00:18:28,573 Speaker 3: actual and perceived positions on a whole range of economic issues, 268 00:18:29,093 --> 00:18:33,293 Speaker 3: the immigration issue, the slash border issue, and crime, And 269 00:18:33,333 --> 00:18:35,413 Speaker 3: of course those sure will are where later and I'm 270 00:18:35,413 --> 00:18:38,733 Speaker 3: sure most of your listeners are that those the economic issue, 271 00:18:38,933 --> 00:18:41,853 Speaker 3: the immigration issue, the crime issue. In twenty twenty four 272 00:18:41,933 --> 00:18:45,613 Speaker 3: across pretty much all of the West, those three are 273 00:18:45,613 --> 00:18:50,733 Speaker 3: interwoven in terms of how they impact the quality of 274 00:18:50,773 --> 00:18:55,533 Speaker 3: life of the average voter, and they're interwoven in terms 275 00:18:55,573 --> 00:19:01,813 Speaker 3: of the politics of them, and they favor as they 276 00:19:01,853 --> 00:19:03,893 Speaker 3: have done in most elections across the West in the 277 00:19:03,933 --> 00:19:08,773 Speaker 3: last couple of years. They favor the challenger. The it's 278 00:19:08,773 --> 00:19:12,253 Speaker 3: not that they disfavor the incumbent, because when people are 279 00:19:12,493 --> 00:19:14,933 Speaker 3: concerned about inflation and immigration and the economy and crime, 280 00:19:14,973 --> 00:19:17,213 Speaker 3: it's because they think there's there's there's too much of 281 00:19:17,253 --> 00:19:21,253 Speaker 3: all of those things, right, And so it's it's a 282 00:19:21,333 --> 00:19:27,813 Speaker 3: it's a really important foundation for the Trump campaign to 283 00:19:28,173 --> 00:19:31,613 Speaker 3: build on. Is I think largely it's done fairly success successfully, 284 00:19:31,693 --> 00:19:35,053 Speaker 3: and it's an albatross around the neck of the Harris campaign, 285 00:19:35,213 --> 00:19:37,293 Speaker 3: as it was around the neck of the Biden campaign, 286 00:19:37,373 --> 00:19:39,653 Speaker 3: and as it has been around the next of so 287 00:19:39,813 --> 00:19:42,773 Speaker 3: many incumbents and governments around the West, whether you know, 288 00:19:42,813 --> 00:19:46,373 Speaker 3: whether they were normally conservative or nominally liberal or of 289 00:19:46,453 --> 00:19:49,413 Speaker 3: the left. You know, it's just when when people aren't 290 00:19:49,453 --> 00:19:54,173 Speaker 3: happy about material things and their physical security, they tend 291 00:19:54,213 --> 00:19:56,253 Speaker 3: to want change in the government. But on the abortion 292 00:19:56,333 --> 00:20:00,213 Speaker 3: issue specifically, it's important to note, well, it is very 293 00:20:00,253 --> 00:20:03,293 Speaker 3: important to note, as you did, that it is only 294 00:20:03,333 --> 00:20:08,053 Speaker 3: issue number five, uh in terms of voters' priorities. That 295 00:20:08,093 --> 00:20:11,053 Speaker 3: does not mean that the eleven percent we found our 296 00:20:11,053 --> 00:20:14,613 Speaker 3: most recent poll are all pro choice, you know. It's 297 00:20:14,693 --> 00:20:17,173 Speaker 3: it's that there are a good number of people on 298 00:20:17,213 --> 00:20:20,533 Speaker 3: the pro life side who think it's the most important issue. 299 00:20:20,613 --> 00:20:25,133 Speaker 3: And I'm always arguing with friends on both sides, were 300 00:20:25,173 --> 00:20:29,133 Speaker 3: particularly on the right, who they may be pro life, 301 00:20:29,213 --> 00:20:31,173 Speaker 3: not necessarily but may be procate, but they think that 302 00:20:31,213 --> 00:20:34,373 Speaker 3: it's a loser for the for the Republicans and for Trump, 303 00:20:34,773 --> 00:20:37,773 Speaker 3: and I argue it is necessarily so because the reason 304 00:20:38,613 --> 00:20:41,813 Speaker 3: for it is so crudely, well simply therefore crudely as 305 00:20:41,893 --> 00:20:46,493 Speaker 3: necessary here is that those who are pro choice, who 306 00:20:46,693 --> 00:20:48,533 Speaker 3: depending on how on the poll you ask, but most 307 00:20:48,533 --> 00:20:51,573 Speaker 3: polls you find them more of them, they vote all 308 00:20:51,613 --> 00:20:54,973 Speaker 3: the time on all for all kinds of reasons, including abortion, 309 00:20:55,093 --> 00:20:58,133 Speaker 3: and they vote for the Democrats these days. The folks 310 00:20:58,173 --> 00:21:01,333 Speaker 3: who are really really concerned about abortion from the pro 311 00:21:01,373 --> 00:21:06,413 Speaker 3: life perspective, they don't vote all the time. They're what 312 00:21:06,453 --> 00:21:08,853 Speaker 3: we call in the polling business, low perpen city or 313 00:21:08,973 --> 00:21:12,253 Speaker 3: medium propensity voters. They show up every two or three 314 00:21:12,333 --> 00:21:15,573 Speaker 3: or four elections, or every once in a twenty years, 315 00:21:15,613 --> 00:21:18,333 Speaker 3: it depends, but they tend to be moved by that issue. 316 00:21:18,573 --> 00:21:20,693 Speaker 3: They're easily moved by that issue more than anything else. 317 00:21:20,813 --> 00:21:24,893 Speaker 3: So all to say, when people come into new voters 318 00:21:25,253 --> 00:21:27,373 Speaker 3: come in to vote on that issue, they tend to 319 00:21:27,413 --> 00:21:30,373 Speaker 3: be on the pro life side, which rather balances things out. 320 00:21:30,413 --> 00:21:34,533 Speaker 3: But the bottom line is that the issues that conventional 321 00:21:34,573 --> 00:21:38,573 Speaker 3: wisdom says and traditionally historically a favor of the Democrats, 322 00:21:38,573 --> 00:21:42,613 Speaker 3: the environment, healthcare, put my view aside, and let's say 323 00:21:42,653 --> 00:21:45,973 Speaker 3: abortion is another one of those. They're out there, they 324 00:21:46,013 --> 00:21:50,213 Speaker 3: mean something to voters, to really much all voters, but 325 00:21:50,253 --> 00:21:54,853 Speaker 3: they're not what overwhelmingly voters are choosing to cast their 326 00:21:54,893 --> 00:21:58,293 Speaker 3: ballot on the basis of. And that is bad news 327 00:21:58,373 --> 00:22:02,773 Speaker 3: for the Democrats. Just as when issues like healthcare were 328 00:22:02,973 --> 00:22:06,413 Speaker 3: far more of a priority for voters in past elections, 329 00:22:06,613 --> 00:22:10,653 Speaker 3: those inherently benefitted the Democrats, whether they were in power 330 00:22:10,733 --> 00:22:12,013 Speaker 3: or whether they were in opposition. 331 00:22:12,173 --> 00:22:15,093 Speaker 2: Why didn't we go back to well where we were 332 00:22:16,333 --> 00:22:18,813 Speaker 2: and just take a look at how you conduct your 333 00:22:18,853 --> 00:22:21,533 Speaker 2: polling because it impressed a lot of people last time, 334 00:22:21,573 --> 00:22:23,533 Speaker 2: and there'll be people who didn't hear it. So let's 335 00:22:23,613 --> 00:22:24,413 Speaker 2: let's try it again. 336 00:22:25,053 --> 00:22:28,693 Speaker 3: Okay, tell me to shut up when I get especially 337 00:22:29,413 --> 00:22:31,653 Speaker 3: drew down to too many details or get especially a 338 00:22:31,733 --> 00:22:36,373 Speaker 3: doll here. So what we do is for our national polling, 339 00:22:36,773 --> 00:22:41,773 Speaker 3: we usually have completed surveys, we talked, we actually contact 340 00:22:41,893 --> 00:22:46,413 Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of voters, but we completed surveys from 341 00:22:46,693 --> 00:22:50,613 Speaker 3: usually between twelve and fifteen hundred, and you have to 342 00:22:50,933 --> 00:22:53,573 Speaker 3: you know, it's such a small percentage of people that 343 00:22:53,653 --> 00:22:56,733 Speaker 3: you contact who are willing to take a poll. I mean, 344 00:22:56,773 --> 00:22:59,493 Speaker 3: that's just that, you know, the problem in the polling industry. 345 00:22:59,533 --> 00:23:02,373 Speaker 3: That's number one. You know, you get one two three 346 00:23:02,413 --> 00:23:06,413 Speaker 3: percent of folks are actually willing to talk to you, 347 00:23:06,493 --> 00:23:09,293 Speaker 3: whereas you know, decades ago it might be fifty percent 348 00:23:09,453 --> 00:23:12,773 Speaker 3: or forty or thirty percent. So that's that's the first problem. 349 00:23:13,013 --> 00:23:15,453 Speaker 3: So we contact people. I mean, there are various ways 350 00:23:15,493 --> 00:23:17,573 Speaker 3: of doing it these days because of technology. The way 351 00:23:17,613 --> 00:23:20,173 Speaker 3: we do it, what we think is the least worst 352 00:23:20,213 --> 00:23:22,893 Speaker 3: way of doing it, that is potentially the most accurate, 353 00:23:23,533 --> 00:23:26,733 Speaker 3: is we phone. We phone voters just as you know 354 00:23:26,813 --> 00:23:29,493 Speaker 3: in the old days, as it were, but we don't 355 00:23:29,573 --> 00:23:32,933 Speaker 3: use live callers. A couple of reasons for that. The 356 00:23:33,093 --> 00:23:36,653 Speaker 3: principal one is expense. So we have a we have 357 00:23:36,733 --> 00:23:40,733 Speaker 3: recorded questions and someone answers their phone. They sort of 358 00:23:40,733 --> 00:23:43,173 Speaker 3: picks up in this these days almost all cell phones, 359 00:23:43,253 --> 00:23:47,093 Speaker 3: mobile phones. They answer their phone and a human voice, 360 00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:51,613 Speaker 3: but a recorded voice. After introducing the concept and them 361 00:23:52,013 --> 00:23:53,893 Speaker 3: and the person on the other end of the of 362 00:23:53,933 --> 00:23:56,973 Speaker 3: the call agreeing to take part in the poll, they 363 00:23:57,013 --> 00:23:59,333 Speaker 3: answer the question. The questions are given to them, read 364 00:23:59,373 --> 00:24:01,733 Speaker 3: to them, you know, a human, real voice, but recorded, 365 00:24:01,933 --> 00:24:04,213 Speaker 3: and then they answer by pressing numbers on their keypads, 366 00:24:04,213 --> 00:24:07,893 Speaker 3: sort of multiple choice. And that way we're able to 367 00:24:08,453 --> 00:24:12,133 Speaker 3: all huge numbers of people and it's relatively over two 368 00:24:12,213 --> 00:24:17,093 Speaker 3: or three days and actually come up with a good number. 369 00:24:17,213 --> 00:24:19,973 Speaker 3: So one thing that we do in just about all 370 00:24:19,973 --> 00:24:23,413 Speaker 3: our polling that only a couple of other posters do. 371 00:24:24,453 --> 00:24:26,973 Speaker 3: We think it makes a big difference. And this might 372 00:24:26,973 --> 00:24:29,573 Speaker 3: be you know, relevant to your to your audience, is 373 00:24:30,893 --> 00:24:34,773 Speaker 3: we only take the responses of those we determine what 374 00:24:34,773 --> 00:24:37,453 Speaker 3: we call likely voters. And the reason we do that 375 00:24:38,013 --> 00:24:40,853 Speaker 3: is that, you know, it's not rocket science. They're the 376 00:24:40,893 --> 00:24:43,613 Speaker 3: people who are actually going to show up and vote. Right. 377 00:24:43,653 --> 00:24:47,213 Speaker 3: We're not interesting. We're interested intellectually in whateverybody who lives 378 00:24:47,213 --> 00:24:49,773 Speaker 3: in America thinks, but in terms of the election outcome, 379 00:24:50,373 --> 00:24:51,853 Speaker 3: we're interested in what the people who are going to 380 00:24:51,933 --> 00:24:54,973 Speaker 3: vote think. Uh. And you say, well, okay, well don't 381 00:24:55,013 --> 00:24:58,373 Speaker 3: most people vote, well, yes, but enough don't. It makes 382 00:24:58,373 --> 00:25:00,893 Speaker 3: a difference. So, for example, there are there are polls 383 00:25:00,933 --> 00:25:06,213 Speaker 3: out there the survey adults, and that means they survey 384 00:25:06,653 --> 00:25:10,013 Speaker 3: every single well every person person they survey may be 385 00:25:10,093 --> 00:25:12,093 Speaker 3: a voter, they may not be a voter, they may 386 00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:13,733 Speaker 3: not even be a citizen. And so it's kind of 387 00:25:13,733 --> 00:25:17,173 Speaker 3: like asking a thousand consumers what they're going to buy, 388 00:25:17,613 --> 00:25:19,733 Speaker 3: which might be relevant because they're all spending money in 389 00:25:19,813 --> 00:25:23,093 Speaker 3: the in the grocery store, but they're not all going 390 00:25:23,133 --> 00:25:25,493 Speaker 3: to vote. The other way of doing it, which is 391 00:25:25,693 --> 00:25:28,693 Speaker 3: the most common, is you just you talk to registered 392 00:25:28,773 --> 00:25:32,533 Speaker 3: voters because in America you have to register before you 393 00:25:32,573 --> 00:25:35,133 Speaker 3: can get a ballot, and your register as a Republican, 394 00:25:35,173 --> 00:25:38,733 Speaker 3: a Democrat, as an independent. And that's better than looking 395 00:25:38,773 --> 00:25:42,853 Speaker 3: at everyone. But it's of those registered voters, about twenty 396 00:25:42,893 --> 00:25:46,253 Speaker 3: five thirty thirty five percent any given election aren't actually 397 00:25:46,293 --> 00:25:51,933 Speaker 3: going to show up. Sooks. Posters use registered voters or 398 00:25:51,933 --> 00:25:54,693 Speaker 3: they use adults because it's way cheaper because you don't 399 00:25:54,813 --> 00:25:59,613 Speaker 3: have to call or email or text or online communicate 400 00:25:59,653 --> 00:26:02,453 Speaker 3: with anything like as many because you are not rejecting 401 00:26:02,733 --> 00:26:07,053 Speaker 3: you know, we're rejecting so many potential respondents. It takes 402 00:26:07,093 --> 00:26:08,973 Speaker 3: longer and costs a lot more money. And then of 403 00:26:08,973 --> 00:26:11,973 Speaker 3: course the other the art I mean This is a 404 00:26:11,973 --> 00:26:15,093 Speaker 3: combination of art and science. And another part of the 405 00:26:15,213 --> 00:26:17,933 Speaker 3: art involved is, Okay, you've got all these you know, 406 00:26:17,933 --> 00:26:21,213 Speaker 3: we've got our fifteen hundred likely voters who have completed 407 00:26:21,253 --> 00:26:25,813 Speaker 3: this phone survey, but how do we figure out whether 408 00:26:25,893 --> 00:26:30,533 Speaker 3: they are representative of the country right? And so you 409 00:26:30,693 --> 00:26:34,213 Speaker 3: have to then weight those responses based on what we 410 00:26:34,293 --> 00:26:38,373 Speaker 3: believe are the most accurate up to date demographic factors, 411 00:26:39,373 --> 00:26:45,493 Speaker 3: socioeconomic factors, you know, age, gender, race, ethnicity, where they live, 412 00:26:45,813 --> 00:26:50,253 Speaker 3: and of course where they what their political affiliation is. 413 00:26:50,773 --> 00:26:54,493 Speaker 3: And one of the ways in which many polls, and 414 00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:56,613 Speaker 3: this has gone on for a long time, but it's 415 00:26:56,693 --> 00:27:02,973 Speaker 3: particularly prominent in the recent elections, and I would say 416 00:27:02,973 --> 00:27:05,693 Speaker 3: still in this one. What happens so often is that 417 00:27:05,813 --> 00:27:11,453 Speaker 3: these polls are not weighting it accurately, either intentionally or 418 00:27:11,813 --> 00:27:15,893 Speaker 3: out of ignorance. And so you'll see polls that are 419 00:27:15,893 --> 00:27:19,893 Speaker 3: attractive in terms of the headline for the Democrat, and 420 00:27:19,893 --> 00:27:23,773 Speaker 3: then you look underneath the hood and you'll see that 421 00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:26,813 Speaker 3: they have weighted it in such a way that the 422 00:27:26,853 --> 00:27:30,893 Speaker 3: Democrats are disproportionately represented. And that means, of course, you know, 423 00:27:30,933 --> 00:27:33,213 Speaker 3: if you if your sample has ten percent to me 424 00:27:33,293 --> 00:27:36,653 Speaker 3: Democrats you're probably going to have a headline number that 425 00:27:36,933 --> 00:27:39,093 Speaker 3: you know skews to the Democrats. Now you say, well, 426 00:27:39,093 --> 00:27:40,653 Speaker 3: it could go both ways. Of course, it can go 427 00:27:40,733 --> 00:27:44,013 Speaker 3: both ways. But if you look at the media polling 428 00:27:44,933 --> 00:27:49,173 Speaker 3: over the last decade, it always skews in one direction. Right. 429 00:27:49,373 --> 00:27:52,173 Speaker 3: To ensure I don't bore anybody any further, I'll stop. 430 00:27:52,413 --> 00:27:55,573 Speaker 3: But those that's sort of the the outline, the skeleton 431 00:27:55,653 --> 00:27:57,533 Speaker 3: of sort of how we approach it and why we 432 00:27:57,813 --> 00:27:59,533 Speaker 3: do some of the things we do with our polling. 433 00:27:59,573 --> 00:28:01,813 Speaker 2: Well, there is no question what you said a moment ago, 434 00:28:02,213 --> 00:28:06,653 Speaker 2: that it leans in one direction is accurate. Now, if 435 00:28:06,693 --> 00:28:11,413 Speaker 2: I may, I'm going to refer to another pole. Here's 436 00:28:11,453 --> 00:28:16,413 Speaker 2: the headline this morning from zero Hedge, and it's their story. 437 00:28:18,093 --> 00:28:21,813 Speaker 2: I presume you look at zero Hedge occasionally, Yes, so 438 00:28:21,893 --> 00:28:24,053 Speaker 2: you know you know Tyler Durden or who he is 439 00:28:24,173 --> 00:28:28,373 Speaker 2: or who he represents anyway, he's they're responsible for this 440 00:28:28,493 --> 00:28:32,093 Speaker 2: story rather than somebody else feeding it to them that 441 00:28:32,373 --> 00:28:36,733 Speaker 2: Trump trouncing Carmela in key battleground states after sudden poly 442 00:28:36,933 --> 00:28:41,573 Speaker 2: market surge. And I want to refer to the New 443 00:28:41,653 --> 00:28:44,893 Speaker 2: York Times. Even the New York Times notes that Harris's 444 00:28:45,013 --> 00:28:49,413 Speaker 2: edge in Pennsylvania in mainstream polling could be faked news, 445 00:28:50,133 --> 00:28:53,853 Speaker 2: as the pole average could even be so stable in 446 00:28:53,973 --> 00:28:58,413 Speaker 2: part because many posters are using heavy handed statistical techniques 447 00:28:58,653 --> 00:29:02,333 Speaker 2: that reduce the variance of their results from from pole 448 00:29:02,373 --> 00:29:06,293 Speaker 2: to pole, but that increase the risk of systematic errors. 449 00:29:06,493 --> 00:29:09,533 Speaker 2: Systematic polling errors in which which one side does better 450 00:29:09,573 --> 00:29:13,653 Speaker 2: than expected across the board have been common in recent cycles. 451 00:29:13,653 --> 00:29:15,773 Speaker 2: And that's essentially what you're referring to. 452 00:29:17,253 --> 00:29:21,853 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, that's why some of the you know, there 453 00:29:21,853 --> 00:29:25,893 Speaker 3: are forecasters and modelers, you know, professional, amateur, you name it, 454 00:29:25,973 --> 00:29:28,493 Speaker 3: who are doing this thing, whether in the US or 455 00:29:28,533 --> 00:29:33,093 Speaker 3: doing it from outside the US, and some of them 456 00:29:33,213 --> 00:29:36,053 Speaker 3: on the sort of right of the spectrum are pointing 457 00:29:36,093 --> 00:29:40,133 Speaker 3: out that the last two elections, there were these major 458 00:29:40,853 --> 00:29:44,173 Speaker 3: polling errors, whether you look at an individual polls, you 459 00:29:44,213 --> 00:29:47,973 Speaker 3: look at these averages that are so heralded of several points, 460 00:29:48,853 --> 00:29:52,573 Speaker 3: and you know, by the bottom line is Hillary Clinton 461 00:29:52,653 --> 00:29:57,053 Speaker 3: and Joe Biden's numbers, whatever their eventual numbers were, they 462 00:29:57,053 --> 00:30:02,693 Speaker 3: were much less than were forecasts. And Trump's numbers, whatever 463 00:30:02,893 --> 00:30:07,373 Speaker 3: you think they really were, were officially much higher than 464 00:30:07,413 --> 00:30:11,973 Speaker 3: the polls the quote unquote heralded polls and averages had suggested, 465 00:30:12,333 --> 00:30:15,213 Speaker 3: and so many of these forecasters and modelers on the 466 00:30:15,293 --> 00:30:19,373 Speaker 3: right are now taking the current polls and saying the 467 00:30:19,413 --> 00:30:24,493 Speaker 3: only sensible thing is to is to adjust them on 468 00:30:24,573 --> 00:30:27,253 Speaker 3: the basis of what we now know is an historical 469 00:30:27,493 --> 00:30:31,133 Speaker 3: polling error and say, look, actually Trump, wherever he is 470 00:30:31,133 --> 00:30:33,373 Speaker 3: ahead or behind, he's usually really give him a few 471 00:30:33,413 --> 00:30:36,093 Speaker 3: more points, because we know from recent history that that's 472 00:30:36,133 --> 00:30:39,773 Speaker 3: how it pans out. Because Trump, it's not simply that 473 00:30:39,813 --> 00:30:44,733 Speaker 3: these polls have been inaccurate, again by accident or by design. 474 00:30:45,293 --> 00:30:48,933 Speaker 3: But Trump, whether it's a primary, whether it's a general election, 475 00:30:49,573 --> 00:30:53,813 Speaker 3: Trump consistently outvotes his polls. He just does better for 476 00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:55,733 Speaker 3: four kinds of reasons that we've discussed in the past, 477 00:30:55,773 --> 00:30:59,533 Speaker 3: you know. So, yeah, it's a very valid concern. 478 00:31:00,533 --> 00:31:03,213 Speaker 2: All right, So let's look at the latest poll that 479 00:31:03,293 --> 00:31:07,013 Speaker 2: came out a couple of days ago. Democracy Institute are 480 00:31:07,053 --> 00:31:11,613 Speaker 2: the Express US Prison Dential Poll four October twenty twenty four. 481 00:31:12,133 --> 00:31:17,133 Speaker 2: The national popular vote is out of sync with the 482 00:31:17,733 --> 00:31:19,173 Speaker 2: mainstream I think, Am I right? 483 00:31:20,773 --> 00:31:22,813 Speaker 3: It's out of sync with Yeah, it's out of sync 484 00:31:22,853 --> 00:31:26,573 Speaker 3: with most of the polls that you hear about a lot. Yes, 485 00:31:26,733 --> 00:31:27,893 Speaker 3: so you've got correct. 486 00:31:27,773 --> 00:31:30,973 Speaker 2: Well, your numbers, so why don't you why don't you 487 00:31:31,013 --> 00:31:31,493 Speaker 2: share them? 488 00:31:31,853 --> 00:31:35,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have Trump at fifty, Harris at forty seven, 489 00:31:36,533 --> 00:31:39,133 Speaker 3: the other little you know, minor candidates with two and 490 00:31:39,213 --> 00:31:42,973 Speaker 3: only one percent undecided. Now, so that's that's the lead 491 00:31:43,093 --> 00:31:46,693 Speaker 3: that we've the kind of lead we've been showing for 492 00:31:46,733 --> 00:31:49,533 Speaker 3: a while now. I mean Trump had a much bigger 493 00:31:49,613 --> 00:31:53,333 Speaker 3: lead the end of Biden's candidacy and when Harris first 494 00:31:53,413 --> 00:31:55,973 Speaker 3: took over for a bunch of reasons, I mean, it 495 00:31:56,013 --> 00:32:00,893 Speaker 3: was unrealistic that that would last. But since Harris has 496 00:32:00,933 --> 00:32:04,973 Speaker 3: been the facto and then the actual candidate, we've had 497 00:32:05,013 --> 00:32:08,293 Speaker 3: this sort of two three point lead. That's that's that's 498 00:32:08,613 --> 00:32:14,373 Speaker 3: Fay state fairly consistent and not that one should view 499 00:32:15,093 --> 00:32:18,493 Speaker 3: judge one's own polling based on what other posters are doing, 500 00:32:18,853 --> 00:32:21,413 Speaker 3: but it's just a point of reference for your audience, latent. 501 00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:25,213 Speaker 3: As you correctly said, this is out of line with 502 00:32:25,333 --> 00:32:30,933 Speaker 3: most mainstream polls, who generally show Harris with a small lead, 503 00:32:31,413 --> 00:32:34,373 Speaker 3: maybe a tie. The occasional one has Trump maybe up 504 00:32:34,373 --> 00:32:38,133 Speaker 3: a point. But there are two or three that have 505 00:32:38,213 --> 00:32:44,693 Speaker 3: consistently been the more accurate national polls that show that 506 00:32:44,333 --> 00:32:47,973 Speaker 3: that are showing now or have shown consistently consistently like 507 00:32:48,013 --> 00:32:51,053 Speaker 3: we have over recent weeks and months, Trump with a 508 00:32:51,493 --> 00:32:56,213 Speaker 3: one two three point lead. So we are we're in 509 00:32:56,373 --> 00:32:59,253 Speaker 3: minority company, but I think but I think we're in 510 00:32:59,253 --> 00:33:01,053 Speaker 3: a very good company, if I might put it that way. 511 00:33:01,573 --> 00:33:06,053 Speaker 2: I believe so because I well, like a lot of 512 00:33:06,293 --> 00:33:10,853 Speaker 2: people who heard that podcast and your description prior to 513 00:33:10,893 --> 00:33:16,213 Speaker 2: this one, they liked the way you approached it. It's 514 00:33:16,253 --> 00:33:19,853 Speaker 2: a much more it's a much more honest way, and 515 00:33:19,893 --> 00:33:22,653 Speaker 2: I think I think that that shows up. So looking 516 00:33:22,693 --> 00:33:26,373 Speaker 2: at the swing states, you've got Michigan just for a start, 517 00:33:26,653 --> 00:33:29,293 Speaker 2: with forty seven to forty six in favor of Trump. 518 00:33:29,333 --> 00:33:31,213 Speaker 2: So that's in the well and truly in the margin 519 00:33:31,253 --> 00:33:35,973 Speaker 2: of era. But as you've alluded to already, people are 520 00:33:36,013 --> 00:33:39,453 Speaker 2: now starting to talk about and I'm talking about polsters 521 00:33:39,453 --> 00:33:42,253 Speaker 2: and commentators are starting to talk about the fact that 522 00:33:42,973 --> 00:33:45,253 Speaker 2: you've got to allow Trump a bit more space than that, 523 00:33:45,333 --> 00:33:50,213 Speaker 2: because he's very likely to poll better than the forty seven. 524 00:33:51,133 --> 00:33:57,813 Speaker 3: Yes, that is absolutely true. You said, that's what's what 525 00:33:57,933 --> 00:34:02,733 Speaker 3: history tells us. I mean, we're slightly argue. You musty 526 00:34:02,853 --> 00:34:07,813 Speaker 3: argue against myself here in the sense that for all 527 00:34:07,853 --> 00:34:11,573 Speaker 3: our you know, no polling is perfect. Ours isn't perfect. 528 00:34:12,693 --> 00:34:14,933 Speaker 3: For all our flaws and imperfections. The one thing that 529 00:34:14,973 --> 00:34:17,453 Speaker 3: we have consistently done over the years since Trump's been 530 00:34:17,453 --> 00:34:20,213 Speaker 3: on the scene is we've tended to nail his vote, 531 00:34:20,213 --> 00:34:23,213 Speaker 3: whether it's in primaries or in general elections, pretty comparatively 532 00:34:23,253 --> 00:34:27,053 Speaker 3: on the nose because for a couple of reasons, you know, 533 00:34:27,173 --> 00:34:29,493 Speaker 3: Boyer listeners with but in terms of how we approach 534 00:34:30,013 --> 00:34:34,293 Speaker 3: identifying what became known as the shy Trump voter right, 535 00:34:36,013 --> 00:34:39,933 Speaker 3: because we think we still do that well, we may 536 00:34:39,933 --> 00:34:42,813 Speaker 3: be proven wrong. Because we think we still do that well. 537 00:34:43,213 --> 00:34:48,613 Speaker 3: We think our Trump numbers this year are are pretty accurate, 538 00:34:49,013 --> 00:34:53,373 Speaker 3: although we acknowledge, as I've been acknowledging to you and 539 00:34:53,493 --> 00:34:58,173 Speaker 3: others are acknowledging that the likelihood is that Trump's numbers 540 00:34:58,173 --> 00:35:03,173 Speaker 3: in any poll are not his ceiling, but they're his flaw. Right, 541 00:35:03,613 --> 00:35:06,813 Speaker 3: So I think we're close to the mark. But I 542 00:35:07,013 --> 00:35:10,733 Speaker 3: do agree, wouldn cur with anyone who said, if you're wrong, 543 00:35:11,373 --> 00:35:14,493 Speaker 3: you're probably underestimating him a bit. He may be a 544 00:35:14,533 --> 00:35:16,933 Speaker 3: point or two above that, And I would say, yeah, 545 00:35:16,933 --> 00:35:19,493 Speaker 3: that's that's entirely possible. That's where if there's an error 546 00:35:19,733 --> 00:35:21,253 Speaker 3: the eras I think in that direction. 547 00:35:21,493 --> 00:35:24,813 Speaker 2: Right, So you've got Minnesota forty four to Trump and 548 00:35:24,893 --> 00:35:29,453 Speaker 2: forty forty eight two Harris. Uh huh? Is that that 549 00:35:29,653 --> 00:35:33,133 Speaker 2: four point margin? Is that considered margin of era? 550 00:35:34,453 --> 00:35:41,653 Speaker 3: It is in this one. But what's important about Minnesota is, well, 551 00:35:41,693 --> 00:35:44,973 Speaker 3: it's less about Minnesota itself what happens there on election 552 00:35:45,173 --> 00:35:47,333 Speaker 3: night and the days after, than what it tells is 553 00:35:47,453 --> 00:35:53,133 Speaker 3: So you know, the context is Minnesota was fairly close 554 00:35:53,173 --> 00:35:55,133 Speaker 3: to the last two elections, but it's been a safe 555 00:35:55,213 --> 00:35:58,853 Speaker 3: Democratic state, you know, forever. Right, It's the only state 556 00:35:58,893 --> 00:36:02,373 Speaker 3: that Walter Mondale won in eighty four when Reagan ran 557 00:36:02,453 --> 00:36:05,693 Speaker 3: the table, right, forty nine to one. But okay, but 558 00:36:06,093 --> 00:36:09,733 Speaker 3: so it's a blue Democratic state. Something things have to 559 00:36:09,733 --> 00:36:13,933 Speaker 3: go crazy for the Republicans to win it. So Kamala Harris, 560 00:36:14,053 --> 00:36:17,733 Speaker 3: she chooses the Minnesota governor as her running mate, and 561 00:36:17,773 --> 00:36:20,533 Speaker 3: that I means for a bunch of reasons. Number one 562 00:36:20,533 --> 00:36:24,773 Speaker 3: being the fact he wasn't Jewish. But besides besides that, 563 00:36:26,173 --> 00:36:29,773 Speaker 3: it was the fact that her weakness or you know, 564 00:36:29,893 --> 00:36:31,853 Speaker 3: she can't. She has to run the table in the 565 00:36:31,893 --> 00:36:37,053 Speaker 3: Midwestern states, the ross belt states, one presumes, and Trump 566 00:36:37,133 --> 00:36:40,893 Speaker 3: merely has his million really needs probably to pierce that 567 00:36:40,973 --> 00:36:45,333 Speaker 3: blue wall to be victorious overall. So she chose a 568 00:36:45,373 --> 00:36:47,893 Speaker 3: governor who was quote unquote popular, you know, being re 569 00:36:47,933 --> 00:36:52,613 Speaker 3: elected in a Midwestern state and with a sort of 570 00:36:52,653 --> 00:36:56,853 Speaker 3: folksy everyman persona someone who was older than her and 571 00:36:56,893 --> 00:36:59,013 Speaker 3: whiter than her and all that sort of stuff. The 572 00:36:59,133 --> 00:37:03,333 Speaker 3: problem is, what this polling and other polling demonstrates is 573 00:37:03,373 --> 00:37:09,613 Speaker 3: that she chose someone who because minnies Sota is dominated 574 00:37:09,693 --> 00:37:14,053 Speaker 3: by its very liberal urban areas, politically, it's popular there. 575 00:37:14,093 --> 00:37:17,253 Speaker 3: He was very woke and very anti police and all 576 00:37:17,293 --> 00:37:21,373 Speaker 3: this stuff, but and with you know, particularly interesting ties 577 00:37:21,413 --> 00:37:25,413 Speaker 3: to communist China. But it's not actually popular with blue 578 00:37:25,413 --> 00:37:28,733 Speaker 3: collar Minnesotan's. And the reason that's important is not what's 579 00:37:28,813 --> 00:37:31,573 Speaker 3: less what happens in Minnesota than the fact that it's 580 00:37:31,653 --> 00:37:36,853 Speaker 3: blue collar white Midwesterners who are going to determine how 581 00:37:36,933 --> 00:37:40,773 Speaker 3: those rustbelt Midwestern states go. So they they sort of 582 00:37:40,813 --> 00:37:44,373 Speaker 3: did their identity politics thing, you know, middle aged, older 583 00:37:44,453 --> 00:37:48,693 Speaker 3: white guy who gets elected in the Midwest. So we'll 584 00:37:49,053 --> 00:37:50,733 Speaker 3: we'll put him on the ticket, and he'll make sure 585 00:37:50,773 --> 00:37:54,773 Speaker 3: we keep Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. And it's not worked 586 00:37:54,773 --> 00:37:58,413 Speaker 3: out seemingly that great, you know, in his performance in 587 00:37:58,453 --> 00:38:01,853 Speaker 3: the vibe presidential debates sort have exemplified that. And so 588 00:38:02,333 --> 00:38:07,533 Speaker 3: if Minnesota goes is retained by the Democrats and Harris 589 00:38:07,533 --> 00:38:12,333 Speaker 3: in November, well no surprise there. But there's the potential. 590 00:38:12,413 --> 00:38:16,333 Speaker 3: It appears that it could be a lot closer, in 591 00:38:16,453 --> 00:38:20,253 Speaker 3: sort of almost uncomfortably close. What that tells you is 592 00:38:20,293 --> 00:38:23,413 Speaker 3: that the neighboring state of Wisconsin, which is a true 593 00:38:23,453 --> 00:38:26,853 Speaker 3: swing state, and one or two others are likely to 594 00:38:26,933 --> 00:38:31,573 Speaker 3: be trending even more away from the Democrats. Uh. And 595 00:38:31,613 --> 00:38:37,133 Speaker 3: so this four point lead for Harrison Minnesota is something 596 00:38:37,173 --> 00:38:42,213 Speaker 3: which doesn't say, you know, panic, panic, panic, but it says, oh, 597 00:38:42,293 --> 00:38:44,533 Speaker 3: this is looking up hill, this is this is an 598 00:38:44,613 --> 00:38:48,693 Speaker 3: uncomfortable number for us. We have to hope this is 599 00:38:49,133 --> 00:38:52,533 Speaker 3: as an outlier. But other polls are showing, you know, 600 00:38:52,693 --> 00:38:56,573 Speaker 3: comparable results that are in this margin of era, you 601 00:38:56,573 --> 00:39:01,173 Speaker 3: know area. So it's that's why it's worth doing and 602 00:39:01,293 --> 00:39:04,453 Speaker 3: worth as it turns out, I think, you know, reflecting upon. 603 00:39:05,373 --> 00:39:09,293 Speaker 2: So skipping to Pennsylvania, which is which is I'm sick 604 00:39:09,293 --> 00:39:14,453 Speaker 2: of hearing. It is a must win for Kamela to 605 00:39:16,133 --> 00:39:20,173 Speaker 2: get where she wants. She's not doing so well fifty 606 00:39:20,653 --> 00:39:24,253 Speaker 2: Trump forty six to her. Now, how does that compare 607 00:39:24,293 --> 00:39:25,653 Speaker 2: with them last time? 608 00:39:27,413 --> 00:39:30,053 Speaker 3: Well, last time it was I mean, you know, officially 609 00:39:30,413 --> 00:39:32,053 Speaker 3: it was very close. I think it was about a 610 00:39:32,173 --> 00:39:37,893 Speaker 3: point point and change that Biden officially won by And 611 00:39:37,973 --> 00:39:42,493 Speaker 3: I think Pennsylvania, really, I think we're going to look back. 612 00:39:42,533 --> 00:39:44,093 Speaker 3: I could be wrong, obviously, but I think I'm going 613 00:39:44,133 --> 00:39:48,613 Speaker 3: to look back and say that Pennsylvania exemplified the mistake 614 00:39:48,653 --> 00:39:52,213 Speaker 3: the Democrats and made by tossing Biden out and putting 615 00:39:52,213 --> 00:39:53,893 Speaker 3: her in. I mean I say that obviously as someone 616 00:39:53,893 --> 00:39:56,053 Speaker 3: who thought that Biden was going to lose to Trump, 617 00:39:56,213 --> 00:40:00,613 Speaker 3: and I'm sure he would have done. But what was 618 00:40:00,653 --> 00:40:06,093 Speaker 3: overlooked by the Democrats the powers that been was that, yeah, 619 00:40:06,133 --> 00:40:09,973 Speaker 3: they have this guy who's this pop unpopular failed president, 620 00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:12,653 Speaker 3: and they won this this quote unquote fresh face, and 621 00:40:12,693 --> 00:40:15,173 Speaker 3: maybe we can build a new narrative around this younger, 622 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:18,733 Speaker 3: darker woman, right and all of that. What they overlooked 623 00:40:19,933 --> 00:40:25,693 Speaker 3: is that her natural appeal is strongest in areas as 624 00:40:25,773 --> 00:40:28,653 Speaker 3: dissimilar from the Midwest as you can find in America, 625 00:40:28,853 --> 00:40:31,933 Speaker 3: that is, on the East and West coast, right where Biden. 626 00:40:32,533 --> 00:40:34,213 Speaker 3: This is the thing with Biden, and this is the 627 00:40:34,253 --> 00:40:36,573 Speaker 3: part of why he you know, even if in my 628 00:40:36,733 --> 00:40:40,893 Speaker 3: view the election had been fairly contested in Pennsylvania, it 629 00:40:41,013 --> 00:40:42,893 Speaker 3: still would have been a close thing, even though I 630 00:40:42,933 --> 00:40:47,333 Speaker 3: think Trump would have won, is because Biden, rightly or wrongly, 631 00:40:48,293 --> 00:40:53,133 Speaker 3: he retained throughout his career an image not only as 632 00:40:53,253 --> 00:40:58,653 Speaker 3: the as the sort of gaff prone, humorous every man 633 00:40:59,893 --> 00:41:02,613 Speaker 3: guy who you know, sort of was comfortable with with 634 00:41:02,733 --> 00:41:05,973 Speaker 3: with everybody and wasn't that bright, but he just had 635 00:41:05,973 --> 00:41:11,053 Speaker 3: everybody's best interest in heart. That he was someone who 636 00:41:11,213 --> 00:41:15,293 Speaker 3: was by by his default position was always to be 637 00:41:15,293 --> 00:41:18,213 Speaker 3: supportive of the labor unions. He was blue collar Joe. 638 00:41:18,653 --> 00:41:22,253 Speaker 3: He was. He was born in Scranton, Pennsylvania, in the 639 00:41:22,253 --> 00:41:25,893 Speaker 3: northern part of the state, and the state is littered 640 00:41:26,173 --> 00:41:30,653 Speaker 3: with buildings and highways, et cetera named after him already, 641 00:41:31,253 --> 00:41:38,333 Speaker 3: uh and he retained a reservoir of goodwill amongst older 642 00:41:38,893 --> 00:41:43,373 Speaker 3: blue collar Democrats, many of whom no elsewhere in the 643 00:41:43,373 --> 00:41:46,173 Speaker 3: country no longer vote or vote for vote for the 644 00:41:46,173 --> 00:41:50,013 Speaker 3: Trump or vote for the Republicans. But these folks ex union, 645 00:41:51,053 --> 00:41:56,013 Speaker 3: many of them retired white blue collar jobs occupations when 646 00:41:56,053 --> 00:41:59,933 Speaker 3: they were working, they they remember this this, you know, 647 00:42:00,093 --> 00:42:02,213 Speaker 3: uncle Joe, who looked out for them and their and 648 00:42:02,253 --> 00:42:05,853 Speaker 3: their and their interests, and they turned out for him. 649 00:42:06,373 --> 00:42:10,013 Speaker 3: It's quite skewed. Actually, they turned out for him disproportionately 650 00:42:10,413 --> 00:42:15,133 Speaker 3: in areas of Pennsylvania where you know, their numbers, you know, 651 00:42:15,213 --> 00:42:18,893 Speaker 3: tend to dominate. Now, that's great for the Democrats. He 652 00:42:18,973 --> 00:42:22,453 Speaker 3: was greade in twenty twenty. The problem is that they 653 00:42:22,853 --> 00:42:28,973 Speaker 3: that demographic pro that demographic and Democratic profile voter has 654 00:42:29,133 --> 00:42:33,693 Speaker 3: absolutely no interest in a Kamala Harris type candidate. And 655 00:42:33,733 --> 00:42:36,173 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, she doesn't get them. They don't 656 00:42:36,173 --> 00:42:41,293 Speaker 3: get her. And it's just a complete mismatch, right, it 657 00:42:41,413 --> 00:42:44,933 Speaker 3: just is, you know, putting all preferences and opinions aside. 658 00:42:45,173 --> 00:42:50,933 Speaker 3: So her appeal in Pennsylvania was always going to be limited. 659 00:42:51,213 --> 00:42:54,093 Speaker 3: Now what was going What could have made the difference 660 00:42:54,653 --> 00:42:59,213 Speaker 3: was that the popular governor of Pennsylvania, who also wanted 661 00:42:59,213 --> 00:43:00,973 Speaker 3: to be the next candidate and would like to be 662 00:43:01,053 --> 00:43:05,773 Speaker 3: the next president. Still, if she'd chosen him, he played 663 00:43:05,773 --> 00:43:08,933 Speaker 3: a great hit, great influence on how the election was 664 00:43:08,973 --> 00:43:12,413 Speaker 3: a show we say contested in twenty twenty. And he 665 00:43:12,573 --> 00:43:15,373 Speaker 3: might have been able, by hook and by crook, to 666 00:43:15,413 --> 00:43:19,133 Speaker 3: have guaranteed Pennsylvania to her, but she couldn't choose him 667 00:43:19,253 --> 00:43:21,853 Speaker 3: because the base of her party wouldn't accept a pro 668 00:43:21,973 --> 00:43:28,693 Speaker 3: Israeli Jewish vice presidential candidate. So her one card, the 669 00:43:28,733 --> 00:43:31,893 Speaker 3: one ace she could have played in that key state, 670 00:43:32,453 --> 00:43:36,533 Speaker 3: she chose not to play. And that means that she 671 00:43:36,733 --> 00:43:41,973 Speaker 3: has her comparatively low ceiling. And when you see, you know, 672 00:43:42,093 --> 00:43:45,453 Speaker 3: what was it Saturday night in a town of thirteen 673 00:43:45,453 --> 00:43:48,293 Speaker 3: and a half thousand people in Pennsylvania, Trump gets one 674 00:43:48,373 --> 00:43:52,733 Speaker 3: hundred and five thousand to show up, it just demonstrates 675 00:43:52,773 --> 00:43:59,173 Speaker 3: that the last estimate, the final estimate, I believe, was 676 00:43:59,173 --> 00:44:04,693 Speaker 3: one hundred and five thousand. That's obviously from all around 677 00:44:04,693 --> 00:44:10,413 Speaker 3: the Yeah, it's it's extremely big. So it just demonstrates 678 00:44:10,693 --> 00:44:12,493 Speaker 3: that he has the wind of his sale, you know, 679 00:44:12,533 --> 00:44:15,813 Speaker 3: in his sales. She's fighting uphill, doesn't mean she can't 680 00:44:15,813 --> 00:44:18,853 Speaker 3: pull it off. It's probably going to be within the 681 00:44:18,893 --> 00:44:21,293 Speaker 3: margin of error in terms of the file outcome because 682 00:44:21,813 --> 00:44:24,693 Speaker 3: these you know, these states are so closely contested. But 683 00:44:24,813 --> 00:44:29,093 Speaker 3: it's just a calculation of Democrats made and they may 684 00:44:29,133 --> 00:44:31,533 Speaker 3: have made it thinking they could get that govern they 685 00:44:31,533 --> 00:44:33,773 Speaker 3: would have that governor because he was the obvious pick. 686 00:44:33,813 --> 00:44:36,893 Speaker 3: As you said, you're tired of hearing how Pennsylvania is 687 00:44:37,213 --> 00:44:42,373 Speaker 3: everything to the Harris campaign. But they made the other decisions, 688 00:44:42,333 --> 00:44:44,013 Speaker 3: they mean, decisions that took them in a different direction, 689 00:44:44,293 --> 00:44:45,933 Speaker 3: and so they're in a real battle. 690 00:44:45,973 --> 00:44:54,133 Speaker 2: Now, when is your next set of statistics, your next party. 691 00:44:55,053 --> 00:45:00,173 Speaker 3: Well, working backwards, our final poll, sort of comprehensive poll 692 00:45:00,373 --> 00:45:04,573 Speaker 3: will be the weekend before the election, is on Tuesday, 693 00:45:04,773 --> 00:45:09,013 Speaker 3: November fifth, so it'll be out for his first sorry, 694 00:45:09,133 --> 00:45:13,573 Speaker 3: second and third probably I would expect, you know, Daily 695 00:45:13,573 --> 00:45:17,893 Speaker 3: Express willing and allowing, but we'll almost certainly we will 696 00:45:17,933 --> 00:45:22,053 Speaker 3: be doing between now and then, we'll be doing more polling. 697 00:45:22,133 --> 00:45:25,253 Speaker 3: So we'll do probably the national popular vote a couple 698 00:45:25,293 --> 00:45:26,853 Speaker 3: of times, we'll do we do some you know, this 699 00:45:26,933 --> 00:45:30,333 Speaker 3: recent poll that you're kindly discussing now, Laton, this is 700 00:45:30,413 --> 00:45:32,973 Speaker 3: Midwest wing states and some blue states in the north. 701 00:45:33,133 --> 00:45:36,053 Speaker 3: Will be looking at the sun so called sun Belt, 702 00:45:36,093 --> 00:45:38,693 Speaker 3: the swing states and the Sun Belt over the next 703 00:45:38,733 --> 00:45:41,893 Speaker 3: couple of weeks. So it's a roundabout way of saying, 704 00:45:42,973 --> 00:45:47,333 Speaker 3: you know, to keep keep watching, keep listening, because in 705 00:45:47,373 --> 00:45:49,973 Speaker 3: the next week or two there will be more numbers. 706 00:45:52,573 --> 00:45:58,253 Speaker 2: Do you think that there is a wearisome approach developing 707 00:45:58,333 --> 00:45:59,653 Speaker 2: to the selection. 708 00:46:00,373 --> 00:46:06,333 Speaker 3: A yes, my, my, unintentionally political sounding answer is yes 709 00:46:06,373 --> 00:46:12,053 Speaker 3: and no. Right, Yes, there are so many you know, 710 00:46:12,213 --> 00:46:14,973 Speaker 3: so many people are so locked in and have been 711 00:46:15,213 --> 00:46:19,373 Speaker 3: for so long on this election as they were the 712 00:46:20,253 --> 00:46:26,133 Speaker 3: previous two elections that you know, most people would happily say, 713 00:46:26,893 --> 00:46:29,693 Speaker 3: you know, in July, can we just get over this thing? Right? 714 00:46:31,253 --> 00:46:35,813 Speaker 3: But the no part comes from I think initially on 715 00:46:35,853 --> 00:46:39,533 Speaker 3: the Democratic side, they you know, they've suddenly realized after 716 00:46:39,533 --> 00:46:43,413 Speaker 3: the debate that Biden was poor a candidate, as his 717 00:46:43,453 --> 00:46:46,893 Speaker 3: opponents had said, and so they were devastated. But then 718 00:46:46,933 --> 00:46:50,373 Speaker 3: they got this second chance. Right the second they've grabbed 719 00:46:50,373 --> 00:46:54,573 Speaker 3: this second chance, they now have hope. So let's, you know, 720 00:46:55,413 --> 00:46:57,533 Speaker 3: how much time can we squeeze, you know, how much 721 00:46:57,613 --> 00:46:59,333 Speaker 3: Jews can we squeeze out of what's rest in the 722 00:46:59,333 --> 00:47:02,733 Speaker 3: campaign to get Kamala Harris over the top. So some 723 00:47:02,973 --> 00:47:07,253 Speaker 3: Democrats are actually you know, not wanting this to end 724 00:47:07,333 --> 00:47:10,413 Speaker 3: because they think the more time she's on she's out there, 725 00:47:10,413 --> 00:47:12,853 Speaker 3: the better it will go. Some of us argue the opposite. 726 00:47:13,413 --> 00:47:16,733 Speaker 3: And then on the on the Republican side, you have 727 00:47:16,813 --> 00:47:20,573 Speaker 3: a good and I would say growing number of Trump 728 00:47:20,693 --> 00:47:28,413 Speaker 3: voters who with every assassination attempt, every federal government response 729 00:47:28,493 --> 00:47:32,893 Speaker 3: or lack of to a hurricane. Everything that happens in 730 00:47:32,973 --> 00:47:38,013 Speaker 3: terms of the politics of the country, they are more 731 00:47:38,293 --> 00:47:42,973 Speaker 3: and more enthused and keen to ensure do what they 732 00:47:43,013 --> 00:47:46,893 Speaker 3: can to make this election mean something from their point 733 00:47:46,893 --> 00:47:51,013 Speaker 3: of view. And so there's what I'm trying to say 734 00:47:51,053 --> 00:47:54,653 Speaker 3: is that there's renewed energy on both sides for very 735 00:47:54,693 --> 00:47:57,053 Speaker 3: different reasons. And of course the fact that just as 736 00:47:57,573 --> 00:48:00,133 Speaker 3: Trump being the candidate for the third election in a 737 00:48:00,213 --> 00:48:02,493 Speaker 3: row means that for the third election in the row 738 00:48:03,013 --> 00:48:05,653 Speaker 3: for the Democrats, the main the only thing they have 739 00:48:05,733 --> 00:48:08,093 Speaker 3: to say to most of their loyal voters is Trump's 740 00:48:08,093 --> 00:48:10,253 Speaker 3: are publican candidate, and that's it. You know, they're off, 741 00:48:11,133 --> 00:48:13,373 Speaker 3: They're frothing at the mouth, and they're after the polling 742 00:48:13,373 --> 00:48:15,813 Speaker 3: stations or in their case, you know, railing in the 743 00:48:15,893 --> 00:48:20,213 Speaker 3: posting the ballot. On the Republican side, there was tremendous 744 00:48:20,253 --> 00:48:26,933 Speaker 3: antipathy obviously to Biden, but most Trump voters dislike personally 745 00:48:27,013 --> 00:48:30,013 Speaker 3: Harris far more than they dislike Biden personally and are 746 00:48:30,093 --> 00:48:33,173 Speaker 3: more terror even more terrified of her views than they 747 00:48:33,173 --> 00:48:38,533 Speaker 3: are of Biden's policies. So on both sides, there's more 748 00:48:38,693 --> 00:48:42,413 Speaker 3: juice at this late stage most of which could not 749 00:48:42,453 --> 00:48:45,013 Speaker 3: have been anticipated even a few months ago. 750 00:48:45,453 --> 00:48:48,733 Speaker 2: It's intriguing because there is a fair bit of weariness 751 00:48:49,293 --> 00:48:52,173 Speaker 2: down in this part of the world. And I keep 752 00:48:52,493 --> 00:48:57,293 Speaker 2: suggesting to those who challenge occasionally the amount of time 753 00:48:57,333 --> 00:49:01,013 Speaker 2: that I spend on American politics, particularly at the time 754 00:49:01,133 --> 00:49:03,413 Speaker 2: like this, that there are another things you've got to 755 00:49:03,413 --> 00:49:07,773 Speaker 2: take into account. First of all, that the United States 756 00:49:07,893 --> 00:49:10,773 Speaker 2: is the the and most powerful country in the world. 757 00:49:11,333 --> 00:49:17,053 Speaker 2: What happens in America on all fronts, really, if it's dramatic, 758 00:49:17,493 --> 00:49:20,413 Speaker 2: what happens in America has an effect or is likely 759 00:49:20,453 --> 00:49:22,453 Speaker 2: to have an effect on the rest of the world. 760 00:49:23,013 --> 00:49:28,493 Speaker 2: And if you've got a useless president, whoever it might be, 761 00:49:28,933 --> 00:49:33,053 Speaker 2: and they've had some, then we're all in dire straits 762 00:49:33,333 --> 00:49:37,693 Speaker 2: or likely to be. And there's another aspect too, and 763 00:49:37,733 --> 00:49:41,093 Speaker 2: that is that you can watch how people follow politics 764 00:49:41,093 --> 00:49:44,493 Speaker 2: in America and react to it, and learn what their 765 00:49:44,533 --> 00:49:48,453 Speaker 2: attitude is to their own country and what's important or 766 00:49:48,653 --> 00:49:52,573 Speaker 2: not important, or how much they care or how much 767 00:49:52,653 --> 00:49:56,053 Speaker 2: they know or don't know in many cases. And I 768 00:49:56,093 --> 00:49:58,293 Speaker 2: find all of that intriguing, apart from the fact that 769 00:49:58,333 --> 00:49:59,973 Speaker 2: it's also scary at times. 770 00:50:00,853 --> 00:50:03,333 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. I mean one of the things that's always 771 00:50:03,773 --> 00:50:07,213 Speaker 3: interested me intriguing me about American politics going way back, 772 00:50:07,413 --> 00:50:13,893 Speaker 3: is how compared to most other democratic nations, the American 773 00:50:13,893 --> 00:50:18,773 Speaker 3: political system largely washed this dirty laundry in public. Right now, 774 00:50:18,813 --> 00:50:22,893 Speaker 3: I would argue that in recent times a lot more 775 00:50:23,013 --> 00:50:26,533 Speaker 3: is happening in a sort of inside private laundereat than 776 00:50:26,573 --> 00:50:31,333 Speaker 3: in the past. But nevertheless, one of the reasons that 777 00:50:32,653 --> 00:50:37,133 Speaker 3: many people outside the country find it easy to automatically 778 00:50:37,373 --> 00:50:40,453 Speaker 3: criticize American politics is because they know so much about it. 779 00:50:40,533 --> 00:50:42,253 Speaker 3: In part because, as you say, for all those reasons 780 00:50:42,253 --> 00:50:46,853 Speaker 3: you enunciated, laden it's important for the rest of it 781 00:50:46,933 --> 00:50:49,333 Speaker 3: influences the rest of the world, but also because Americans 782 00:50:49,533 --> 00:50:52,173 Speaker 3: sort of can't keep their mouth shut and they sort 783 00:50:52,213 --> 00:50:55,573 Speaker 3: of show the world what's going on. Right the characteristic 784 00:50:55,613 --> 00:51:00,453 Speaker 3: American personality of telling everybody what they think about everything 785 00:51:01,693 --> 00:51:07,493 Speaker 3: also applies to their politics and wanting to export their system, 786 00:51:07,773 --> 00:51:12,893 Speaker 3: their style of politics around the world. Also, you know, 787 00:51:12,973 --> 00:51:16,173 Speaker 3: robs some people the wrong way, but it influences how 788 00:51:16,213 --> 00:51:22,253 Speaker 3: things happen elsewhere. Has done America's intervening for good or 789 00:51:22,293 --> 00:51:26,373 Speaker 3: for ill, and for good or for bad intentions around 790 00:51:26,413 --> 00:51:28,213 Speaker 3: the world. I mean, just just one thing on, why 791 00:51:28,693 --> 00:51:31,053 Speaker 3: you know the importance of it, and not of your 792 00:51:31,053 --> 00:51:33,613 Speaker 3: listeners say, well, Patrickson now about to bash Harris and 793 00:51:33,613 --> 00:51:35,733 Speaker 3: Biden over foreign policy. I'm not actually going to mention 794 00:51:35,773 --> 00:51:37,613 Speaker 3: that these following two things for that reason, but to 795 00:51:37,653 --> 00:51:43,053 Speaker 3: make another point, which is much of the criticism of 796 00:51:43,093 --> 00:51:49,333 Speaker 3: the hurricane response has been because so much money has 797 00:51:49,413 --> 00:51:54,373 Speaker 3: been and continues to be showered upon foreign governments and 798 00:51:54,573 --> 00:51:58,693 Speaker 3: foreign countries by Biden and Harris, who they deem to 799 00:51:58,733 --> 00:52:04,533 Speaker 3: be clearly in greater need than anybody at home in America. Now, 800 00:52:04,693 --> 00:52:07,093 Speaker 3: whether you know whether one thinks that money should or 801 00:52:07,093 --> 00:52:10,493 Speaker 3: shouldn't be spent in Lebanon, in Ukraine and wherever, the 802 00:52:10,493 --> 00:52:16,293 Speaker 3: bottom line is that America is in a position through 803 00:52:16,453 --> 00:52:19,733 Speaker 3: oh been part these days, through some very artful accounting, 804 00:52:19,773 --> 00:52:21,853 Speaker 3: but that America is in a position to at least 805 00:52:21,893 --> 00:52:25,253 Speaker 3: in the short term, to spend these huge sums and 806 00:52:25,293 --> 00:52:30,133 Speaker 3: to therefore influence what happens in country X or y. Right, 807 00:52:30,253 --> 00:52:33,213 Speaker 3: they can choose that Biden and Harris are in a 808 00:52:33,253 --> 00:52:37,013 Speaker 3: position where they can make these kinds of choices about 809 00:52:37,293 --> 00:52:41,533 Speaker 3: whether the money goes externally or internally. Now, most people 810 00:52:41,573 --> 00:52:43,213 Speaker 3: think they're making the wrong choices, and I think they're 811 00:52:43,213 --> 00:52:45,813 Speaker 3: making the wrong choices, but the fact is they're making them, 812 00:52:46,013 --> 00:52:49,253 Speaker 3: and those choices will make a difference. Do make a 813 00:52:49,253 --> 00:52:52,093 Speaker 3: difference elsewhere. It doesn't necessarily it's necessary for good, but 814 00:52:52,133 --> 00:52:56,413 Speaker 3: they make a difference. Whereas your average democracy in the world, 815 00:52:56,613 --> 00:52:59,693 Speaker 3: the government may have all kinds of views, and they 816 00:52:59,733 --> 00:53:02,853 Speaker 3: may be good ones about what's happening elsewhere, but they 817 00:53:02,893 --> 00:53:06,133 Speaker 3: can't do much about it because they have a small military, 818 00:53:06,213 --> 00:53:09,213 Speaker 3: or they don't have the foreign aid, whatever the heck 819 00:53:09,253 --> 00:53:11,493 Speaker 3: it is. They don't have the trade influence in the 820 00:53:11,533 --> 00:53:13,613 Speaker 3: trade power that kind of thing, and the economic might 821 00:53:13,693 --> 00:53:18,813 Speaker 3: the hest to put muscle behind their words, but America does. 822 00:53:19,133 --> 00:53:23,613 Speaker 3: And so you know, if you don't think American elections 823 00:53:23,653 --> 00:53:29,773 Speaker 3: are that important, you have to somehow gel that with 824 00:53:30,013 --> 00:53:34,613 Speaker 3: the fact that America might be intervening in your country, 825 00:53:34,733 --> 00:53:37,173 Speaker 3: or a country neighbor to yours, or one that you 826 00:53:37,213 --> 00:53:41,093 Speaker 3: think is really important around the world as a result 827 00:53:41,133 --> 00:53:44,213 Speaker 3: of its election outcome, or as a way of trying 828 00:53:44,253 --> 00:53:48,533 Speaker 3: to influence that election outcome domestically here in America, let 829 00:53:48,573 --> 00:53:52,373 Speaker 3: alone influence it and influence what's happening elsewhere. I mean 830 00:53:52,533 --> 00:53:57,533 Speaker 3: the fact that Harris yesterday on CBS's sixty minutes in 831 00:53:57,573 --> 00:54:02,093 Speaker 3: one of for very rare sit down interviews, refuse to 832 00:54:02,133 --> 00:54:07,333 Speaker 3: say that, yes, Naiu in Israel there was an ally 833 00:54:07,413 --> 00:54:10,133 Speaker 3: of the United States. I mean, you can say why, 834 00:54:10,133 --> 00:54:12,933 Speaker 3: I don't think he is. But for her, as vice 835 00:54:13,013 --> 00:54:18,333 Speaker 3: president of a quote unquote pro Israeli administration, to not 836 00:54:18,413 --> 00:54:22,173 Speaker 3: be able to say yes to that tells you, you know, 837 00:54:22,373 --> 00:54:26,773 Speaker 3: is important not just for American voters information, but it's 838 00:54:26,813 --> 00:54:30,053 Speaker 3: important for what's going on in the Middle East right now. Right. Yes, 839 00:54:30,853 --> 00:54:33,413 Speaker 3: that's just a fact. We may like that fact or 840 00:54:33,413 --> 00:54:34,893 Speaker 3: dislike that fact, but it's a fact. 841 00:54:35,213 --> 00:54:36,853 Speaker 2: Well, it's one other thing that I wanted to add 842 00:54:36,853 --> 00:54:40,253 Speaker 2: to my list, and it's probably the most important actually 843 00:54:41,053 --> 00:54:44,693 Speaker 2: for most people. Anyway, Where did all the ideas come 844 00:54:44,773 --> 00:54:49,853 Speaker 2: from to form the government of the United States. They 845 00:54:49,893 --> 00:54:53,253 Speaker 2: came from Europe, from England and Europe, if you want 846 00:54:53,293 --> 00:54:57,933 Speaker 2: to separate the two. But all the French philosophers, et cetera, 847 00:54:57,973 --> 00:55:01,373 Speaker 2: et ce all contributed one way or the other, for 848 00:55:01,413 --> 00:55:05,613 Speaker 2: better or worse. After the Second World War, things changed, 849 00:55:05,933 --> 00:55:08,013 Speaker 2: and the further away we got from the Second World War, 850 00:55:08,053 --> 00:55:11,893 Speaker 2: the more they changed. And now most of the ideas 851 00:55:11,933 --> 00:55:15,333 Speaker 2: that disturb us in particular come from the United States, 852 00:55:15,413 --> 00:55:19,413 Speaker 2: all the woke stuff, all the craziness that we have 853 00:55:19,813 --> 00:55:24,413 Speaker 2: that we have been reading about, hearing about, experiencing, and 854 00:55:24,533 --> 00:55:27,253 Speaker 2: it has spread to this part of the world. In fact, 855 00:55:27,253 --> 00:55:28,613 Speaker 2: it has spread the many parts of the world. But 856 00:55:28,853 --> 00:55:32,173 Speaker 2: in the in the free world, as we like to 857 00:55:32,213 --> 00:55:36,253 Speaker 2: think we are, it's affected as most. And I picked 858 00:55:36,253 --> 00:55:38,453 Speaker 2: this up back in the back in the early eighties 859 00:55:39,013 --> 00:55:43,813 Speaker 2: more than before that, partly due to age and interest 860 00:55:43,853 --> 00:55:48,253 Speaker 2: in development, but I picked it up. And political correctness 861 00:55:48,293 --> 00:55:51,133 Speaker 2: as it was initially has developed into all sorts of 862 00:55:51,373 --> 00:55:57,613 Speaker 2: very ugly and unhelpful attitudes to life, reflected most recently 863 00:55:57,693 --> 00:56:02,093 Speaker 2: in my opinion today or yesterday by Hillary Clinton, who, 864 00:56:02,173 --> 00:56:05,533 Speaker 2: talking about social media, says, we have to control social media. 865 00:56:05,533 --> 00:56:08,933 Speaker 2: If we don't control social media, then we we've lost. 866 00:56:09,213 --> 00:56:11,533 Speaker 2: We can only control it. We can only get get 867 00:56:11,533 --> 00:56:15,373 Speaker 2: where we want by controlling social media and associated comments. 868 00:56:16,173 --> 00:56:18,133 Speaker 2: That's where that's where it originates. 869 00:56:19,333 --> 00:56:21,173 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And of course I mean just on the Hillary 870 00:56:21,173 --> 00:56:24,613 Speaker 3: Clinton interview there, because it begs what she said, bige 871 00:56:24,653 --> 00:56:27,573 Speaker 3: many questions. I mean, among them, who's the wei she's 872 00:56:27,613 --> 00:56:31,493 Speaker 3: referring to. I'm guessing her wei is more her and Bill, 873 00:56:31,693 --> 00:56:34,053 Speaker 3: not you and me. Late I'm just taking a wild 874 00:56:34,053 --> 00:56:38,493 Speaker 3: guess that perhaps right, just just just perhaps, you know, 875 00:56:38,533 --> 00:56:42,213 Speaker 3: it's make a great point. I mean, there's a a 876 00:56:42,613 --> 00:56:48,053 Speaker 3: now long departed I think Nobel Laureate winning economist Joseph 877 00:56:48,093 --> 00:56:51,933 Speaker 3: Schumpeter German Chap if I've got that right, who said 878 00:56:51,933 --> 00:56:54,693 Speaker 3: many important things for which he got many accolades and 879 00:56:55,013 --> 00:57:00,533 Speaker 3: much controversy. But one of his sort of central thoughts 880 00:57:01,453 --> 00:57:04,893 Speaker 3: was that the problem, and this is this is something 881 00:57:04,933 --> 00:57:07,333 Speaker 3: that I think became apparent is really where I'm getting 882 00:57:07,333 --> 00:57:11,653 Speaker 3: to in the eighties and nineties in the West, across 883 00:57:11,653 --> 00:57:15,933 Speaker 3: the West, was that capitalism was the best way to 884 00:57:16,453 --> 00:57:22,173 Speaker 3: organize things economically, right, most most productivity, most wealth, greatest consumption, 885 00:57:22,253 --> 00:57:25,813 Speaker 3: quality of life, all that material stuff. But he foresaw 886 00:57:25,853 --> 00:57:31,533 Speaker 3: the fact that capitalism's success would be problematic for capitalism 887 00:57:31,613 --> 00:57:35,573 Speaker 3: or capitalist societies because once you've sort of once you've 888 00:57:35,613 --> 00:57:39,173 Speaker 3: got all this wealth and everyone's most people are fairly 889 00:57:39,173 --> 00:57:42,933 Speaker 3: comfortable by historical standards, So what do you do next? 890 00:57:43,373 --> 00:57:46,973 Speaker 3: And next comes people's the average no, the average person 891 00:57:47,133 --> 00:57:50,893 Speaker 3: at first, but the average intellectual and thinker and bureaucrat 892 00:57:50,933 --> 00:57:54,453 Speaker 3: and policy maker about what they can do now because 893 00:57:54,453 --> 00:57:56,933 Speaker 3: they don't have to worry about feeding everybody and most 894 00:57:56,933 --> 00:57:59,613 Speaker 3: people having a job and clean water. It's like, what 895 00:57:59,693 --> 00:58:03,493 Speaker 3: do we do? And of course you give enough intellectuals 896 00:58:03,573 --> 00:58:07,853 Speaker 3: enough time to ruminate and fester, and they start coming 897 00:58:07,893 --> 00:58:10,493 Speaker 3: up with all kinds of wacky notions about the planet, 898 00:58:10,693 --> 00:58:13,693 Speaker 3: you know, dying off. We've got to do all kinds 899 00:58:13,733 --> 00:58:16,333 Speaker 3: of things about that, and all this social you know, 900 00:58:16,413 --> 00:58:19,493 Speaker 3: you know, wokeness. Of course, there is the bastard child 901 00:58:19,493 --> 00:58:22,413 Speaker 3: of political correctness from the eighties, and you know, we 902 00:58:22,493 --> 00:58:24,773 Speaker 3: get all of that stuff that started in the eighties, 903 00:58:24,893 --> 00:58:27,413 Speaker 3: as you say, started in America, and America being the 904 00:58:27,413 --> 00:58:31,293 Speaker 3: most successful capitalist economy, much of this stuff, and being 905 00:58:31,573 --> 00:58:36,893 Speaker 3: just numerically large, you've just got more numerically more folks, 906 00:58:37,013 --> 00:58:41,053 Speaker 3: more affluent folks, and more universities, and more intellectuals and 907 00:58:41,053 --> 00:58:44,613 Speaker 3: more public policy types, more think tanks who are coming 908 00:58:44,693 --> 00:58:48,013 Speaker 3: up with more and more crazy ideas and telling convincing 909 00:58:48,053 --> 00:58:51,613 Speaker 3: each other that they're good and then you know, starting 910 00:58:51,653 --> 00:58:54,093 Speaker 3: to work their magic in terms of the system. And 911 00:58:54,133 --> 00:58:57,773 Speaker 3: of course America, because it was so politically powerful, because 912 00:58:57,813 --> 00:59:01,813 Speaker 3: it was so economically powerful, it became culturally powerful around 913 00:59:01,853 --> 00:59:05,013 Speaker 3: the world. And then that culture, you know, political correctness 914 00:59:05,013 --> 00:59:10,093 Speaker 3: didn't didn't seep into the sinew of other Western nations 915 00:59:10,133 --> 00:59:13,933 Speaker 3: because people voted on it. It's because it was exported 916 00:59:13,973 --> 00:59:18,933 Speaker 3: through American culture right in many and American academics and 917 00:59:18,973 --> 00:59:22,333 Speaker 3: all of that American think tanks. So you end up, 918 00:59:23,133 --> 00:59:27,893 Speaker 3: in the case of America, with a country that culturally, socially, 919 00:59:28,413 --> 00:59:31,813 Speaker 3: and in many ways politically, I would argue now is 920 00:59:31,853 --> 00:59:35,893 Speaker 3: almost unrecognizable from the country it was even twenty years ago, 921 00:59:36,813 --> 00:59:40,493 Speaker 3: certainly a generation or two ago, and in almost all 922 00:59:40,573 --> 00:59:46,813 Speaker 3: cases not for the better right, and that that America 923 00:59:46,893 --> 00:59:51,333 Speaker 3: is still I think America is probably even more criticized 924 00:59:51,573 --> 00:59:56,533 Speaker 3: than she was in the past, but she's still influential. 925 00:59:56,693 --> 00:59:59,853 Speaker 3: And therefore, depending on which country you chew, western country 926 00:59:59,853 --> 01:00:03,533 Speaker 3: you name, that country has been influenced in what I 927 01:00:03,573 --> 01:00:07,173 Speaker 3: would view and I'm guessing you would view as unfortunate ways, 928 01:00:07,373 --> 01:00:10,213 Speaker 3: but to varying, varying degrees. You know, in another way 929 01:00:10,213 --> 01:00:14,973 Speaker 3: that this is we've demonstrated how we've lost that genius, 930 01:00:15,373 --> 01:00:19,173 Speaker 3: the method of the in the madness of those sixteen 931 01:00:19,693 --> 01:00:25,453 Speaker 3: seventeen eighteenth century you know, true intellectuals from across Europe 932 01:00:25,693 --> 01:00:28,493 Speaker 3: is that when the Cold War ended and there was 933 01:00:28,653 --> 01:00:31,773 Speaker 3: much talk everywhere, but particularly in the US, about the 934 01:00:32,373 --> 01:00:35,973 Speaker 3: Cold War dividend, the peace dividend, the defense dividend, because 935 01:00:36,133 --> 01:00:38,973 Speaker 3: we have this massive spending all this money on this 936 01:00:39,053 --> 01:00:44,173 Speaker 3: defense budget, paying for most of you know, Europe's defense. 937 01:00:44,973 --> 01:00:48,093 Speaker 3: But now we've won the Cold War, we don't have 938 01:00:48,213 --> 01:00:51,333 Speaker 3: to spend all that money on defense now. Whereas in 939 01:00:51,373 --> 01:00:54,173 Speaker 3: the past, the react the response would have been, that's 940 01:00:54,253 --> 01:00:57,453 Speaker 3: great news, So we can now reduce bring the size 941 01:00:57,493 --> 01:01:00,213 Speaker 3: of government back down to a more reasonable level, we 942 01:01:00,253 --> 01:01:02,533 Speaker 3: can cut taxes, we can give people back sort of 943 01:01:02,573 --> 01:01:05,253 Speaker 3: more economic freedom, et cetera, et cetera. Oh no, The 944 01:01:05,333 --> 01:01:08,933 Speaker 3: response was across the board pretty much with the exception 945 01:01:08,973 --> 01:01:12,173 Speaker 3: of you know which your Reaganites was, We're not going 946 01:01:12,213 --> 01:01:14,933 Speaker 3: to spend all this money on defense, So which social 947 01:01:15,013 --> 01:01:17,693 Speaker 3: programs can we spend it on now? Like what can 948 01:01:17,733 --> 01:01:21,013 Speaker 3: the government do in a for the first time or 949 01:01:21,053 --> 01:01:23,613 Speaker 3: in bigger and better, in my view, bader ways than 950 01:01:23,653 --> 01:01:26,293 Speaker 3: it was already doing. And that's what's happened, right, So 951 01:01:27,253 --> 01:01:33,813 Speaker 3: it's that choice happened in the nineties. If it had 952 01:01:33,853 --> 01:01:36,413 Speaker 3: happened in the fifties, the choices would have nineteen fifties, 953 01:01:36,453 --> 01:01:38,533 Speaker 3: the choices I think made would have been quite different. 954 01:01:39,453 --> 01:01:45,053 Speaker 3: And if they were made now, when only imagine in 955 01:01:45,093 --> 01:01:46,453 Speaker 3: which direction they would be headed. 956 01:01:47,773 --> 01:01:53,253 Speaker 2: Just on another matter, and on a very obvious one overall, 957 01:01:53,533 --> 01:01:58,333 Speaker 2: how is the current situation in the Middle East affecting 958 01:01:58,493 --> 01:01:59,453 Speaker 2: your average American? 959 01:02:01,253 --> 01:02:02,493 Speaker 3: Your average American? 960 01:02:03,333 --> 01:02:04,133 Speaker 2: Is this such a thing? 961 01:02:05,773 --> 01:02:11,653 Speaker 3: Not a lot? Like it's not central to most people's 962 01:02:12,253 --> 01:02:17,013 Speaker 3: views of voting calculus, however, and i'm you know as 963 01:02:17,053 --> 01:02:19,653 Speaker 3: we are. You know, we're around the anniversary of the 964 01:02:19,973 --> 01:02:26,133 Speaker 3: Harmas attack on Israel from October seventh, twenty twenty three. 965 01:02:26,653 --> 01:02:29,613 Speaker 3: That that that what happened then, and more to the point, 966 01:02:29,613 --> 01:02:32,333 Speaker 3: what's happened since in the Middle East and America's role 967 01:02:32,733 --> 01:02:38,493 Speaker 3: regarding that, you know, that is it's a secondary campaign issue, 968 01:02:38,493 --> 01:02:42,333 Speaker 3: but it's it's still a prominent one, and it's one 969 01:02:42,413 --> 01:02:48,573 Speaker 3: that has on the Trump side. Meant that Trump is, 970 01:02:48,693 --> 01:02:52,453 Speaker 3: according to the polls, getting a lot more Jewish support 971 01:02:52,693 --> 01:02:55,413 Speaker 3: than he has in the past. And that this or 972 01:02:55,493 --> 01:02:58,213 Speaker 3: is what's traditional for Republican because your listeners may or 973 01:02:58,213 --> 01:03:02,933 Speaker 3: may not know Jewish Americas in Cheish American voters overwhelmingly 974 01:03:03,013 --> 01:03:07,413 Speaker 3: vote Democratic right and you know, for a whole host 975 01:03:07,493 --> 01:03:11,333 Speaker 3: of reasons. You know, time topic for another conversation, perhaps 976 01:03:12,213 --> 01:03:15,533 Speaker 3: at the same time, on the Democratic side, they have 977 01:03:15,773 --> 01:03:19,213 Speaker 3: sort of owned the the the the small but growing 978 01:03:19,333 --> 01:03:26,093 Speaker 3: Muslim vote, an Arab vote, and those folks are really upset, 979 01:03:26,373 --> 01:03:30,413 Speaker 3: really upset with Biden and Harris over what they view 980 01:03:30,493 --> 01:03:34,693 Speaker 3: is their slavish support for Israel uh. And so they 981 01:03:34,733 --> 01:03:38,453 Speaker 3: are they are either deciding not to vote or are, 982 01:03:38,533 --> 01:03:42,133 Speaker 3: according to the polls again showing much more interest in 983 01:03:42,213 --> 01:03:45,093 Speaker 3: Trump than in the past as a sort of protest 984 01:03:46,013 --> 01:03:50,293 Speaker 3: to Harris and Biden. And crucially, I mean, your question 985 01:03:50,373 --> 01:03:53,013 Speaker 3: really kind of actually takes us back to these specific 986 01:03:53,093 --> 01:03:56,773 Speaker 3: states because the Arab and the Arab vote is I mean, 987 01:03:56,813 --> 01:03:59,053 Speaker 3: it's it's in all kinds of places, but it's in 988 01:03:59,133 --> 01:04:03,173 Speaker 3: terms of politics where it matters is in Michigan swing state. 989 01:04:03,253 --> 01:04:07,493 Speaker 3: It matters in and around Detroit and Arab voters there 990 01:04:08,093 --> 01:04:11,653 Speaker 3: by staying home or by let's say thirty forty percent 991 01:04:11,733 --> 01:04:15,053 Speaker 3: voting for Trump where normally only ten percent would could 992 01:04:15,053 --> 01:04:19,253 Speaker 3: swing that state. Where and we go back to Minnesota, Minneapolis, 993 01:04:19,293 --> 01:04:23,533 Speaker 3: Saint Paul, the big liberal centers, that is where your 994 01:04:23,773 --> 01:04:29,093 Speaker 3: Muslim voters are concentrated, especially Somalian voters, and they are 995 01:04:29,133 --> 01:04:33,733 Speaker 3: having the same buyer's remorse about Biden and Harris, and 996 01:04:33,853 --> 01:04:36,613 Speaker 3: although it's less likely the tit Minnesota for the reasons 997 01:04:36,653 --> 01:04:40,773 Speaker 3: we've already discussed in our conversation today, it's still one 998 01:04:40,773 --> 01:04:42,653 Speaker 3: of the factors that appears to be making it a 999 01:04:42,693 --> 01:04:46,093 Speaker 3: closet an uncomfortably close race of the Democrats. So there 1000 01:04:46,133 --> 01:04:53,133 Speaker 3: are obvious ethnic groups religious groups in America for whom 1001 01:04:53,573 --> 01:04:56,373 Speaker 3: what's happening in the Middle East is the number one 1002 01:04:56,413 --> 01:05:01,813 Speaker 3: issue an America's role in response to it, Whereas most 1003 01:05:01,933 --> 01:05:07,053 Speaker 3: voters they're broadly vaguely aware of what's going on, but 1004 01:05:07,373 --> 01:05:11,293 Speaker 3: they're concerned about it is more under the umbrella of 1005 01:05:11,773 --> 01:05:14,533 Speaker 3: the world seems to be spinning a bit out of control. 1006 01:05:14,813 --> 01:05:17,333 Speaker 3: And do I think these guys have a handle on 1007 01:05:17,373 --> 01:05:21,693 Speaker 3: it and can get things back on track, stabilize things, 1008 01:05:21,773 --> 01:05:23,813 Speaker 3: or do I blame them for it? So it's in 1009 01:05:23,853 --> 01:05:27,853 Speaker 3: a bucket with Ukraine, Iran. You know, it's all this 1010 01:05:27,973 --> 01:05:30,493 Speaker 3: stuff that if you're on the Trump side, you think, 1011 01:05:31,053 --> 01:05:33,533 Speaker 3: you know, they just screwed things up, and if you're 1012 01:05:33,573 --> 01:05:35,773 Speaker 3: on the Harris Biden side, you think they've made the 1013 01:05:35,773 --> 01:05:37,093 Speaker 3: best of a bad hand. 1014 01:05:39,293 --> 01:05:41,533 Speaker 2: Well, we started with the question of what was the 1015 01:05:41,533 --> 01:05:45,173 Speaker 2: biggest political issue or headline in the country at the moment. 1016 01:05:45,933 --> 01:05:50,773 Speaker 2: So let's conclude with hopefully something a little different. What 1017 01:05:50,853 --> 01:05:54,493 Speaker 2: would be the top good news story in America today? 1018 01:05:55,973 --> 01:05:59,573 Speaker 3: Sure, well, the top good news story getting some attention, 1019 01:05:59,653 --> 01:06:02,493 Speaker 3: particularly on a lot of attentions on social and alternative media, 1020 01:06:03,013 --> 01:06:06,453 Speaker 3: less so in mainstream media. But we always remain hopeful 1021 01:06:06,493 --> 01:06:10,173 Speaker 3: and optimistic, don't we. Late is actually the response to 1022 01:06:10,213 --> 01:06:13,213 Speaker 3: the hurricane, not the federal government response, not the government, 1023 01:06:13,213 --> 01:06:15,813 Speaker 3: the response of the democratic governor of North Carolina, the 1024 01:06:15,893 --> 01:06:22,493 Speaker 3: response of ordinary individual, regular average Americans. Both the financial 1025 01:06:22,573 --> 01:06:26,773 Speaker 3: assistance the people, number of people who are dropping everything 1026 01:06:27,093 --> 01:06:29,573 Speaker 3: and traveling there, and the hope they can do something 1027 01:06:29,573 --> 01:06:34,173 Speaker 3: to help the people there who are affected. They may 1028 01:06:34,173 --> 01:06:36,373 Speaker 3: have been as affected as anyone else, or they may have, 1029 01:06:37,093 --> 01:06:39,533 Speaker 3: from their point of view, been lucky in their house 1030 01:06:39,613 --> 01:06:42,093 Speaker 3: is flooded, but it's not destroyed. You know this, The 1031 01:06:42,093 --> 01:06:44,573 Speaker 3: people who still have water, or people some people have 1032 01:06:44,613 --> 01:06:48,773 Speaker 3: electricity back. They who are just dropping everything, you know, 1033 01:06:48,813 --> 01:06:51,333 Speaker 3: and just putting their shoulders to the will literally and 1034 01:06:51,373 --> 01:06:55,893 Speaker 3: figuratively to help out their neighbors, their you know, their 1035 01:06:55,973 --> 01:06:59,493 Speaker 3: their fellow citizens, they're fellow Americans. It is a phenomenal 1036 01:07:00,013 --> 01:07:05,493 Speaker 3: thing that's happening. It is incredibly it's conreadily moving and touching, 1037 01:07:05,893 --> 01:07:12,693 Speaker 3: and it's reassuring that this the sort of grassroots spirit 1038 01:07:13,173 --> 01:07:20,693 Speaker 3: of compassion and neighborliness and concern and a sense that 1039 01:07:21,573 --> 01:07:24,773 Speaker 3: what's happening to others, whether you know them or not, 1040 01:07:25,493 --> 01:07:27,813 Speaker 3: might in the moment, be as important, even more important, 1041 01:07:27,853 --> 01:07:30,333 Speaker 3: than what's happening to you in your own life. I 1042 01:07:30,333 --> 01:07:32,773 Speaker 3: think it's really it's you know, really quite something, really 1043 01:07:32,853 --> 01:07:36,533 Speaker 3: kind of moving, and I think it will become more 1044 01:07:36,573 --> 01:07:39,453 Speaker 3: and more prominent in terms of the coverage, and I think, 1045 01:07:39,533 --> 01:07:41,253 Speaker 3: you know, I suspect that, you know, they'll it's one 1046 01:07:41,253 --> 01:07:43,093 Speaker 3: of those things. There'll be at some point there'll be 1047 01:07:43,133 --> 01:07:48,093 Speaker 3: Netflix movies about this, because it is worse than Katrina. 1048 01:07:49,253 --> 01:07:51,693 Speaker 3: We just don't most people don't realize that because the 1049 01:07:51,893 --> 01:07:56,693 Speaker 3: media has decided to not announce it that way, not 1050 01:07:56,853 --> 01:08:01,613 Speaker 3: to allow that narrative to completely blossom. But so, yeah, 1051 01:08:01,613 --> 01:08:05,373 Speaker 3: that's actually it's there is There is good news beneath 1052 01:08:05,493 --> 01:08:07,613 Speaker 3: all of the all of the bad news. 1053 01:08:07,813 --> 01:08:10,133 Speaker 2: That was a that was a great answer, and I'm 1054 01:08:10,253 --> 01:08:14,013 Speaker 2: very pleased. And I asked the question because it's a 1055 01:08:14,133 --> 01:08:18,133 Speaker 2: very very good note to call it quits for this 1056 01:08:18,213 --> 01:08:21,333 Speaker 2: day and turn you loose, so that you can recover 1057 01:08:21,413 --> 01:08:23,293 Speaker 2: in time for election day. 1058 01:08:24,773 --> 01:08:29,933 Speaker 3: Absolutely, we just have to keep winding oneself up. And 1059 01:08:30,253 --> 01:08:31,973 Speaker 3: it's a little great when you're doing the polling and 1060 01:08:32,013 --> 01:08:34,573 Speaker 3: you're talking about elections every day and studying it all. 1061 01:08:34,893 --> 01:08:39,293 Speaker 3: It's very groundhog Day, right, It's every day seemed a 1062 01:08:39,293 --> 01:08:40,893 Speaker 3: little bit like that the part of the next one. 1063 01:08:40,933 --> 01:08:44,213 Speaker 3: But this year, so much has happened that only happened 1064 01:08:44,213 --> 01:08:46,333 Speaker 3: once a decade or once the century. It's all happening 1065 01:08:46,333 --> 01:08:51,213 Speaker 3: in the same few months that it sort of gives 1066 01:08:51,253 --> 01:08:55,493 Speaker 3: one a bolt of energy each time the latest craziness occurs, 1067 01:08:55,493 --> 01:08:57,693 Speaker 3: if I may sound put it so cold bloodedly. 1068 01:08:58,813 --> 01:09:03,813 Speaker 2: Indeed, Patrick Vasham, Director of Democracy Institute in Washington, d C. 1069 01:09:04,653 --> 01:09:08,493 Speaker 2: It's been fabulous having this discussion, and I appreciate at 1070 01:09:08,533 --> 01:09:10,253 Speaker 2: your time, your effort, your energy. 1071 01:09:10,733 --> 01:09:15,413 Speaker 3: Thank you, Laton, My pleasure always. 1072 01:09:27,453 --> 01:09:30,893 Speaker 2: Now into the mail room for Podcast two fifty nine, 1073 01:09:30,933 --> 01:09:33,693 Speaker 2: missus producer. You're looking terrifix. I'm not even go to ask. 1074 01:09:33,853 --> 01:09:39,053 Speaker 4: Oh, thanks, Layton. I'll always take a compliment. Brian Leyland, 1075 01:09:39,133 --> 01:09:43,973 Speaker 4: who's your sometime interviewee and specialist in energy matters, has 1076 01:09:43,973 --> 01:09:47,253 Speaker 4: written to you this week. So what he's got to say, Obviously, 1077 01:09:47,293 --> 01:09:51,213 Speaker 4: we should listen to closely. Brian says, if you've read 1078 01:09:51,293 --> 01:09:53,253 Speaker 4: mood of the boardroom in the Herald this morning, you 1079 01:09:53,293 --> 01:09:56,053 Speaker 4: would have seen that many senior people in the electricity 1080 01:09:56,093 --> 01:09:59,493 Speaker 4: industry seem to believe that building more and more intermittent 1081 01:09:59,733 --> 01:10:03,813 Speaker 4: and unreliable solar and wind power will provide us with 1082 01:10:03,853 --> 01:10:08,813 Speaker 4: an economic and reliable supply. It won't. The problem is 1083 01:10:08,893 --> 01:10:12,733 Speaker 4: that to provide enough energy for the four thousand milliwatts 1084 01:10:12,773 --> 01:10:16,533 Speaker 4: of postulated new demand, we will need to install about 1085 01:10:16,573 --> 01:10:21,013 Speaker 4: twelve thousand megawatts of wind and solar power. Sometimes this 1086 01:10:21,093 --> 01:10:24,813 Speaker 4: will produce maybe ten thousand megawatts and other times maybe 1087 01:10:24,853 --> 01:10:28,853 Speaker 4: a few hundred. This does not provide a reliable supply, 1088 01:10:29,213 --> 01:10:32,973 Speaker 4: and the cost of twelve thousand megawatts to supply eight 1089 01:10:33,453 --> 01:10:38,373 Speaker 4: four thousand megawatt load is extortionate. Another factor is that 1090 01:10:38,533 --> 01:10:42,453 Speaker 4: wind and solar are abundant, the surplus energy available will 1091 01:10:42,453 --> 01:10:45,213 Speaker 4: crash the price, and when they are not available, the 1092 01:10:45,453 --> 01:10:49,333 Speaker 4: prices will skyrocket. The economics of installing more and more 1093 01:10:49,373 --> 01:10:53,493 Speaker 4: wind and solar power is more than is installed. There 1094 01:10:53,613 --> 01:10:56,253 Speaker 4: is also a major problem with systems stability, but it 1095 01:10:56,333 --> 01:11:00,613 Speaker 4: is probably beyond the understanding of the average person. International 1096 01:11:00,653 --> 01:11:03,733 Speaker 4: statistics show that the more wind and solar power connected 1097 01:11:03,733 --> 01:11:06,733 Speaker 4: to the system, the higher the power price. That's from Brian. 1098 01:11:06,893 --> 01:11:10,653 Speaker 2: Yeah, well anything, Ryan says worth consideration. Don't have to 1099 01:11:10,693 --> 01:11:14,093 Speaker 2: agree with everything, but he is an independent I won't 1100 01:11:14,213 --> 01:11:18,693 Speaker 2: use the word expert, knowledgeable man with vast experience and 1101 01:11:18,853 --> 01:11:20,853 Speaker 2: probably more brains than the rest of them put together. 1102 01:11:21,653 --> 01:11:25,773 Speaker 2: Now from Brett, one can only hope humanity will eventually 1103 01:11:25,853 --> 01:11:28,653 Speaker 2: wake up to the corruption it has brought on itself, 1104 01:11:28,933 --> 01:11:32,693 Speaker 2: including here in New Zealand and turn the tide. The 1105 01:11:32,733 --> 01:11:36,533 Speaker 2: battle between light and dark has to play out, however messy. 1106 01:11:36,973 --> 01:11:40,053 Speaker 2: May the light stir and grow within humanity till it 1107 01:11:40,173 --> 01:11:44,013 Speaker 2: simply cannot be constrained. The dark elements will fight tooth 1108 01:11:44,053 --> 01:11:47,773 Speaker 2: and nail for increasing control, for it knows it cannot 1109 01:11:47,773 --> 01:11:51,773 Speaker 2: survive in the light should critical mass be reached. What 1110 01:11:51,933 --> 01:11:55,133 Speaker 2: is feared most is the common people having the empowerment 1111 01:11:55,173 --> 01:12:00,133 Speaker 2: of freedom of thought, of will and self determination. A 1112 01:12:00,213 --> 01:12:04,773 Speaker 2: self empowered, well informed people are the hardest to control 1113 01:12:04,893 --> 01:12:10,613 Speaker 2: and contain. Little bit of philosophy from HTT thank. 1114 01:12:10,413 --> 01:12:15,013 Speaker 4: You, Ladon Colin says the mood of the boardroom article 1115 01:12:15,133 --> 01:12:18,333 Speaker 4: in The Herald, where the CEOs and directors express their 1116 01:12:18,373 --> 01:12:22,773 Speaker 4: opinion on the upcoming USA election gives some insight on 1117 01:12:23,013 --> 01:12:26,533 Speaker 4: how they think. Only the CEO from One New Zealand, 1118 01:12:26,573 --> 01:12:29,293 Speaker 4: who put his name to an alternative of the group think, 1119 01:12:29,573 --> 01:12:33,813 Speaker 4: appeared to give more consideration to his answer. Most seem 1120 01:12:33,853 --> 01:12:36,573 Speaker 4: to miss the point that the middle class worldwide wants 1121 01:12:36,573 --> 01:12:39,853 Speaker 4: stability in the States and the world, and not the 1122 01:12:39,893 --> 01:12:42,693 Speaker 4: carnage we have now. If we carry on like this, 1123 01:12:42,853 --> 01:12:47,053 Speaker 4: it can be assumed trade worldwide will become increasingly difficult 1124 01:12:47,053 --> 01:12:49,693 Speaker 4: for a lot of countries. So I then looked at 1125 01:12:49,733 --> 01:12:52,773 Speaker 4: how they voted, first of all, going back to where 1126 01:12:52,773 --> 01:12:56,173 Speaker 4: they backed Hillary Clinton, who is part of the Obama administration. 1127 01:12:57,213 --> 01:12:59,973 Speaker 4: Then they backed Biden, who was also part of the 1128 01:13:00,013 --> 01:13:04,213 Speaker 4: same administration. Harris became his vice president, and this has 1129 01:13:04,253 --> 01:13:08,853 Speaker 4: also become a weak administration. It is difficult seeing Harris 1130 01:13:09,013 --> 01:13:13,253 Speaker 4: making much improvement as the same powerful people that support 1131 01:13:13,333 --> 01:13:17,093 Speaker 4: her and her running maker right back to that very administration. 1132 01:13:18,053 --> 01:13:20,933 Speaker 4: So therefore, the States has had a weak administration before 1133 01:13:20,973 --> 01:13:24,253 Speaker 4: and after Trump's, which gave a form of stability for 1134 01:13:25,013 --> 01:13:28,453 Speaker 4: US in the world until COVID. A lot of our 1135 01:13:28,493 --> 01:13:32,813 Speaker 4: boardroom people ignore that and give Harris their backing. I 1136 01:13:32,813 --> 01:13:34,813 Speaker 4: suppose it is to be expected as many of them 1137 01:13:34,813 --> 01:13:38,773 Speaker 4: pushed for the ar Durn administration and its disaster. So 1138 01:13:39,173 --> 01:13:42,053 Speaker 4: in summary, I concluded that some of the private and 1139 01:13:42,133 --> 01:13:45,493 Speaker 4: public executives seem to be quite a lot out of touch. 1140 01:13:46,373 --> 01:13:49,093 Speaker 4: Is this why so many of late are being or 1141 01:13:49,213 --> 01:13:52,453 Speaker 4: need to be replaced, Not so much because their qualifications 1142 01:13:52,453 --> 01:13:56,373 Speaker 4: don't fit, but because of their ingrained, woke herd mentality. 1143 01:13:57,053 --> 01:13:59,213 Speaker 4: And then Colin goes on to say, I see Toyota 1144 01:13:59,253 --> 01:14:01,813 Speaker 4: is sorting out more of the junk that their administrators 1145 01:14:01,813 --> 01:14:04,053 Speaker 4: and hung up on. So that will be a positive 1146 01:14:04,093 --> 01:14:06,973 Speaker 4: if more companies follow suitor. 1147 01:14:07,213 --> 01:14:09,813 Speaker 2: Well, I think he's a now US is actually very good. 1148 01:14:10,813 --> 01:14:14,013 Speaker 2: And the people that he referred to I have no 1149 01:14:14,053 --> 01:14:18,053 Speaker 2: idea who because but the in principle the group of 1150 01:14:18,173 --> 01:14:21,093 Speaker 2: people that he refers to will be slow. Well, they're 1151 01:14:21,093 --> 01:14:25,413 Speaker 2: slow learners. And as the likes of Toyota, I guess 1152 01:14:25,493 --> 01:14:28,813 Speaker 2: and others make the changes, and there's any number of 1153 01:14:28,813 --> 01:14:33,013 Speaker 2: them now and growing, those who live in ignorance in 1154 01:14:33,053 --> 01:14:37,013 Speaker 2: this country will pay the price. Now, Craig, I've got 1155 01:14:37,093 --> 01:14:41,053 Speaker 2: your email on COVID. I have not had a well, 1156 01:14:41,053 --> 01:14:43,533 Speaker 2: I only just got it. I haven't actually read it, 1157 01:14:43,573 --> 01:14:48,213 Speaker 2: but I've grasped that it's a sensitive email. I will 1158 01:14:48,213 --> 01:14:53,093 Speaker 2: give it to you consideration. Thank you now from Murray again, 1159 01:14:53,133 --> 01:14:55,373 Speaker 2: thanks for your excellent work. I still listen every week, 1160 01:14:55,533 --> 01:14:59,333 Speaker 2: and so you should. Doctor Merrick was a name that 1161 01:14:59,493 --> 01:15:02,653 Speaker 2: harked back to when I first became a fully fledged 1162 01:15:02,693 --> 01:15:07,453 Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist in twenty twenty. Along with Robert Malone, doctor McCulloch, 1163 01:15:07,613 --> 01:15:11,253 Speaker 2: doctor Kouri and others. These guys were the heroes, truth 1164 01:15:11,373 --> 01:15:14,333 Speaker 2: being too important for them to follow the money and 1165 01:15:14,413 --> 01:15:16,693 Speaker 2: Guy Hatchett and New Zealand also should take a bow. 1166 01:15:17,893 --> 01:15:20,413 Speaker 2: My horror at how everything went upside down in my 1167 01:15:20,493 --> 01:15:23,573 Speaker 2: home country was a lesson that I didn't really want. 1168 01:15:23,853 --> 01:15:27,853 Speaker 2: But as they say, you can't unsee these things. New 1169 01:15:27,933 --> 01:15:31,893 Speaker 2: Zealand's terrible authoritarian labor government, what they did for the 1170 01:15:31,893 --> 01:15:35,253 Speaker 2: country and certainly for me, or did to the country. 1171 01:15:35,293 --> 01:15:37,613 Speaker 2: You might say. I still follow the news from my 1172 01:15:37,853 --> 01:15:40,533 Speaker 2: new home in Australia, and it's not with pleasure that 1173 01:15:40,613 --> 01:15:43,333 Speaker 2: I see the media continue to follow the path that 1174 01:15:43,413 --> 01:15:47,293 Speaker 2: they have been on. I do hope that the natsen 1175 01:15:47,373 --> 01:15:51,533 Speaker 2: act and NZF the Coalition find good common ground and 1176 01:15:51,693 --> 01:15:55,093 Speaker 2: stick to their guns. The labor of mob in Australia 1177 01:15:55,173 --> 01:15:58,173 Speaker 2: is similar to the adern mob and almost as inept. 1178 01:15:58,653 --> 01:16:01,653 Speaker 2: They also have the taxpayer fund at ABC to do 1179 01:16:01,733 --> 01:16:04,893 Speaker 2: their media bidding. It looks like the worst excesses of 1180 01:16:04,933 --> 01:16:09,653 Speaker 2: neo Marxism are only getting worse, with the ABC concocting 1181 01:16:09,733 --> 01:16:13,933 Speaker 2: a scurlous hit job on Australian Defense Force soldiers. Thank 1182 01:16:13,973 --> 01:16:17,933 Speaker 2: goodness for Sky News Australia via YouTube. Who I would 1183 01:16:17,973 --> 01:16:22,693 Speaker 2: recommend to your listeners. I like your idea of recommended 1184 01:16:22,733 --> 01:16:25,853 Speaker 2: reading and I appreciate that. And there to be more today. 1185 01:16:26,173 --> 01:16:29,613 Speaker 2: Excellent guests, insightful interviewing Laton, thank you, Thank you, Marry. 1186 01:16:31,653 --> 01:16:34,213 Speaker 4: Talking of people moving to the four corners of the world, 1187 01:16:34,293 --> 01:16:40,773 Speaker 4: Greg is writing from Canada. His subject matter as woke Canada. Actually, 1188 01:16:41,213 --> 01:16:44,173 Speaker 4: he says, I recently moved from christ Church to Toronto 1189 01:16:44,413 --> 01:16:47,573 Speaker 4: with my family, and I can confirm Canada as drowning 1190 01:16:47,613 --> 01:16:51,373 Speaker 4: and wokeness. For example, my youngest son came home from 1191 01:16:51,453 --> 01:16:54,413 Speaker 4: school today and informed us they had someone come and 1192 01:16:54,493 --> 01:16:58,893 Speaker 4: talk to them about the Canadian pronoun law. Apparently it's 1193 01:16:58,933 --> 01:17:02,413 Speaker 4: an offense not to refer to someone by their chosen pronouns. 1194 01:17:02,973 --> 01:17:05,253 Speaker 4: The one saving grace is that my son and his 1195 01:17:05,373 --> 01:17:08,893 Speaker 4: mates thought it was ridiculous. Let's hope the next generation 1196 01:17:09,093 --> 01:17:11,893 Speaker 4: can sort this nonsense out and get back to using 1197 01:17:12,013 --> 01:17:17,013 Speaker 4: language as intended. It's interesting talking to everyday people. While 1198 01:17:17,013 --> 01:17:19,653 Speaker 4: they tend to keep their opinions to themselves, people can 1199 01:17:19,693 --> 01:17:22,733 Speaker 4: see the nonsense for what it is. By the way, 1200 01:17:22,893 --> 01:17:25,973 Speaker 4: says Greg, we won't be staying long term. New Zealand 1201 01:17:26,053 --> 01:17:28,813 Speaker 4: isn't as bad as we thought. That's nice to hear. 1202 01:17:29,293 --> 01:17:31,613 Speaker 2: Well, not as bad as where you went. Maybe maybe 1203 01:17:31,613 --> 01:17:35,813 Speaker 2: you made the wrong choice, just saying come home. It's 1204 01:17:35,853 --> 01:17:43,453 Speaker 2: a great place now. From Eileen on the American elections opinion, 1205 01:17:44,213 --> 01:17:50,053 Speaker 2: we're only one generation away from tyranny and totalitarianism. Who 1206 01:17:50,093 --> 01:17:55,373 Speaker 2: said that, Ronald Reagan? How inspiring are Tampon Tim Walls? 1207 01:17:55,573 --> 01:17:57,453 Speaker 2: And I can say that because as a woman that 1208 01:17:57,493 --> 01:18:01,053 Speaker 2: wrote it. And America's beauty pageant contests and Kamala Harris 1209 01:18:01,373 --> 01:18:06,093 Speaker 2: Kamala's girlish laughing and word Salard unburdening the burden is 1210 01:18:06,133 --> 01:18:09,813 Speaker 2: alleged to be a Marxist saying she's a good looking girl. 1211 01:18:09,813 --> 01:18:16,053 Speaker 2: Though really till he was telling Porky's about attending the 1212 01:18:16,173 --> 01:18:21,573 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty ninety Animan Square protest question mark, God bless 1213 01:18:21,613 --> 01:18:25,293 Speaker 2: America and God help America. On November five. 1214 01:18:27,093 --> 01:18:29,653 Speaker 4: Ladon Olivia says, I think the world is waking up 1215 01:18:29,653 --> 01:18:31,973 Speaker 4: to the fact that the Left has become the greatest 1216 01:18:32,053 --> 01:18:36,813 Speaker 4: threat to the free world. Imaginable. They ruined everything. Few 1217 01:18:36,853 --> 01:18:39,373 Speaker 4: people really understood that this was the way of things 1218 01:18:39,453 --> 01:18:43,133 Speaker 4: until the COVID hoax transpired. The right went along with 1219 01:18:43,213 --> 01:18:45,573 Speaker 4: all this. Two of course, they were not skeptical of 1220 01:18:45,613 --> 01:18:48,973 Speaker 4: big Farmer, but or more so about media and government. 1221 01:18:49,493 --> 01:18:52,973 Speaker 4: Yet on all things COVID related, chose to suddenly trust 1222 01:18:53,053 --> 01:18:57,973 Speaker 4: both media's and government's total capitulation to one very lucrative 1223 01:18:58,013 --> 01:19:02,373 Speaker 4: industry where the contracts were militantly hidden from all public 1224 01:19:02,413 --> 01:19:04,613 Speaker 4: scrutiny and still are. 1225 01:19:05,053 --> 01:19:09,413 Speaker 2: That's from Olivia, Good Olivia as always, although it's been 1226 01:19:09,453 --> 01:19:14,293 Speaker 2: a while, there's no question that they're being uncovered the 1227 01:19:14,333 --> 01:19:17,693 Speaker 2: woe plot all over the world. Wonder where they're going 1228 01:19:17,693 --> 01:19:22,893 Speaker 2: to ban the internet, missus producer. And finally, I bought 1229 01:19:22,933 --> 01:19:27,933 Speaker 2: a signed copy of Bibi my Story Benjamin Netanya Who's autobiography, 1230 01:19:28,013 --> 01:19:30,533 Speaker 2: in the hopes that it will increase in value one day. 1231 01:19:31,133 --> 01:19:35,493 Speaker 2: Given Ashley Rinsberg's positive assessment of the Israeli Prime Minister. 1232 01:19:35,733 --> 01:19:39,613 Speaker 2: I'm hopeful, I'm not surprised that Benjamin Netanya, who's polling 1233 01:19:39,693 --> 01:19:43,813 Speaker 2: as PM, has jumped ever since he decided to retaliate 1234 01:19:43,933 --> 01:19:48,773 Speaker 2: hard against the damned hamas Hezbila and Iranian terrorists, with 1235 01:19:49,013 --> 01:19:52,893 Speaker 2: or without the limp wristed Biden Harris America. Recently, I've 1236 01:19:52,933 --> 01:19:55,773 Speaker 2: come to realize one thing. This world has only two 1237 01:19:55,773 --> 01:19:58,853 Speaker 2: types of country leaders, the nice ones and the not 1238 01:19:58,933 --> 01:20:02,413 Speaker 2: so nice ones. The nice ones always prioritize looking good 1239 01:20:02,573 --> 01:20:05,773 Speaker 2: over the interests of their people. They always try to 1240 01:20:05,773 --> 01:20:09,373 Speaker 2: be friend terrorists at great cost to their own. These 1241 01:20:09,973 --> 01:20:13,013 Speaker 2: nice leaders always end up running their country down to 1242 01:20:13,093 --> 01:20:16,933 Speaker 2: the ground by feeding their desire to please all the 1243 01:20:16,973 --> 01:20:20,933 Speaker 2: wrong people. Examples of nice leaders include just Senda Adoern, 1244 01:20:21,533 --> 01:20:25,933 Speaker 2: Justin Trudeau, Joe Biden, and Kamander Harris. Then there are 1245 01:20:25,973 --> 01:20:28,893 Speaker 2: the not so nice leaders. These leaders prioritize the protection 1246 01:20:29,013 --> 01:20:33,053 Speaker 2: of their country's interests over their own because they know 1247 01:20:33,213 --> 01:20:36,173 Speaker 2: that if their country does well under their watch, they'll 1248 01:20:36,213 --> 01:20:39,733 Speaker 2: be rewarded by the people. These not always nice leaders 1249 01:20:40,173 --> 01:20:43,613 Speaker 2: don't be friend terrorists, they bomb them. Examples of not 1250 01:20:43,653 --> 01:20:49,773 Speaker 2: so nice leaders include Benjamin Netting, Yahoo, Javille Miller, South America, 1251 01:20:50,293 --> 01:20:54,373 Speaker 2: Donald Trump and JD. Vance and In less than thirty days, 1252 01:20:54,373 --> 01:20:58,893 Speaker 2: America decides between a nice Harris and a not so 1253 01:20:59,053 --> 01:21:02,893 Speaker 2: nice Trump. May God save America if they don't wish 1254 01:21:02,973 --> 01:21:07,733 Speaker 2: to save themselves. Thank you, Jim Missus, producer, Thank you, 1255 01:21:07,973 --> 01:21:27,293 Speaker 2: thank you. That was the mail room that was so 1256 01:21:27,413 --> 01:21:29,693 Speaker 2: to Jeremy Clarkson and what we have in common. And 1257 01:21:29,733 --> 01:21:31,893 Speaker 2: it's not the Farm. I bet you thought it was. 1258 01:21:32,413 --> 01:21:36,053 Speaker 2: It's not. For years the well, the family and others 1259 01:21:36,533 --> 01:21:40,493 Speaker 2: have been nagging me to watch Clarkson's Farm. I tried 1260 01:21:40,533 --> 01:21:43,373 Speaker 2: it once and I couldn't last. And the only reason 1261 01:21:43,533 --> 01:21:46,093 Speaker 2: I can put on it because everyone tells me how 1262 01:21:46,173 --> 01:21:48,333 Speaker 2: good it is and how much I'd love it. The 1263 01:21:48,373 --> 01:21:51,333 Speaker 2: only reason I can hold responsible for me not wanting 1264 01:21:51,333 --> 01:21:55,413 Speaker 2: to watch it is that it makes me sad having 1265 01:21:55,453 --> 01:21:58,013 Speaker 2: had one, having done all the things, driven the track, 1266 01:21:58,053 --> 01:22:00,573 Speaker 2: that grown the grapes, played with the Chucks, and I 1267 01:22:00,573 --> 01:22:03,293 Speaker 2: don't want to see somebody else doing it, had all 1268 01:22:03,293 --> 01:22:06,573 Speaker 2: the experience, and it would make me sad and maybe 1269 01:22:06,573 --> 01:22:10,373 Speaker 2: even shed a tear. So it's not that. No, it's 1270 01:22:10,653 --> 01:22:16,653 Speaker 2: Jeremy Clarkson reviewing the merceds AMGGT sixty three. Now I 1271 01:22:16,773 --> 01:22:19,973 Speaker 2: think it was the last. At the end of twenty eighteen, 1272 01:22:20,053 --> 01:22:23,613 Speaker 2: just before Christmas and we finished of the program I 1273 01:22:23,933 --> 01:22:27,533 Speaker 2: the radio program. I was asked what I wanted for Christmas. 1274 01:22:27,733 --> 01:22:29,333 Speaker 2: Could have been the first year of the podcast, it 1275 01:22:29,333 --> 01:22:32,453 Speaker 2: doesn't really matter it. Actually this is how it went. 1276 01:22:32,973 --> 01:22:35,333 Speaker 2: I said, I wanted a V eight and it had 1277 01:22:35,373 --> 01:22:38,733 Speaker 2: to be at least five liters, it had to be read, 1278 01:22:39,453 --> 01:22:41,813 Speaker 2: it had to be an suv, and it had to 1279 01:22:41,853 --> 01:22:44,813 Speaker 2: do not to one hundred and under five second. Well, 1280 01:22:45,013 --> 01:22:48,493 Speaker 2: in the end, I got everything bar the V eight, 1281 01:22:48,813 --> 01:22:54,373 Speaker 2: got the V six twin turbo Amgsuv and I love it. 1282 01:22:54,813 --> 01:22:58,293 Speaker 2: So this is Jeremy Clarkson in the Mescedes AMGGT sixty 1283 01:22:58,373 --> 01:23:02,533 Speaker 2: threes is in opening. When I put my foot down 1284 01:23:02,773 --> 01:23:06,293 Speaker 2: in my supercharged F type Jaguar, I never think on 1285 01:23:06,973 --> 01:23:10,573 Speaker 2: something's broken. To the accompaniment of a muted but rather 1286 01:23:10,733 --> 01:23:13,573 Speaker 2: delicious rear end cackle, it sets off at a pace 1287 01:23:13,653 --> 01:23:14,973 Speaker 2: you'd call exhilarating. 1288 01:23:15,053 --> 01:23:15,733 Speaker 3: It's nice. 1289 01:23:15,933 --> 01:23:18,933 Speaker 2: Some cars can't do this and they're boring, and some 1290 01:23:19,013 --> 01:23:22,333 Speaker 2: can do more than this and they're silly. The first 1291 01:23:22,333 --> 01:23:25,453 Speaker 2: car I drove with what I call silly performance was 1292 01:23:25,493 --> 01:23:29,133 Speaker 2: the Ferrari five nine to nine gto. It was fine 1293 01:23:29,253 --> 01:23:32,693 Speaker 2: on Ferrari's sunny test track in Italy, but in Scotland 1294 01:23:33,253 --> 01:23:36,733 Speaker 2: where it's raining and there was sheep. I simply couldn't 1295 01:23:36,733 --> 01:23:39,173 Speaker 2: put my food down hard in any of the first 1296 01:23:39,213 --> 01:23:42,773 Speaker 2: four gears. It was just too terrifying. Then there was 1297 01:23:42,813 --> 01:23:44,933 Speaker 2: the McLaren p one. He goes into a bit of 1298 01:23:44,973 --> 01:23:48,293 Speaker 2: detail and from there he said, I'm often told by 1299 01:23:48,333 --> 01:23:52,333 Speaker 2: planet enthusiasts that purely electrical cars can offer this level 1300 01:23:52,333 --> 01:23:57,133 Speaker 2: of performance, but that's nonsense. EV's are like teenage boys, 1301 01:23:57,613 --> 01:23:59,893 Speaker 2: lots of Well. I won't go into detail because this 1302 01:23:59,973 --> 01:24:02,933 Speaker 2: is a family show, but I drove an EV for 1303 01:24:02,973 --> 01:24:05,733 Speaker 2: the first time, the only time, when I had the 1304 01:24:05,773 --> 01:24:10,253 Speaker 2: car serviced about three months ago, and I have to 1305 01:24:10,293 --> 01:24:15,613 Speaker 2: say it was fascinating, but I still don't want one anyway. 1306 01:24:16,093 --> 01:24:20,253 Speaker 2: There's another problem with cars this fast. People adenoid people. 1307 01:24:20,653 --> 01:24:23,573 Speaker 2: Ever since the invention of the internal combustion engine. They've 1308 01:24:23,573 --> 01:24:26,053 Speaker 2: been in their villagers, hands on hips and dressed as 1309 01:24:26,053 --> 01:24:30,053 Speaker 2: speed cameras asking loudly why cars can can ever go 1310 01:24:30,253 --> 01:24:34,453 Speaker 2: faster than eighty k's an hour. And that's because that's 1311 01:24:34,533 --> 01:24:38,013 Speaker 2: the speed limit. Do you hear? Now? Today these people 1312 01:24:38,093 --> 01:24:40,853 Speaker 2: have developed a new technique. They get into their faceless 1313 01:24:40,853 --> 01:24:46,533 Speaker 2: boxes and drive around unbelievably slowly. I came back from 1314 01:24:46,573 --> 01:24:49,613 Speaker 2: somewhere last night. I don't know where it was, sirencestor. 1315 01:24:50,253 --> 01:24:52,173 Speaker 2: Hang on, I'm going to go and check with missus producer. 1316 01:24:52,333 --> 01:24:58,053 Speaker 2: She'd lived there somewhere. Okay, got it? Sirensster cr e 1317 01:24:58,333 --> 01:25:02,093 Speaker 2: n ceest sirens sster Now if they had it with 1318 01:25:02,333 --> 01:25:05,053 Speaker 2: an S at the front, it would have been easy, 1319 01:25:05,453 --> 01:25:08,613 Speaker 2: Siren says. Anyway, we sorted them. So I I'm back 1320 01:25:08,653 --> 01:25:11,373 Speaker 2: from the Siren Sister last night behind some kind of 1321 01:25:11,413 --> 01:25:14,733 Speaker 2: Mercedes people carrier, and it never once on a beautiful 1322 01:25:14,773 --> 01:25:18,933 Speaker 2: country road, exceeded fifty five k's and the break lights 1323 01:25:18,933 --> 01:25:21,373 Speaker 2: flashed on and off so regularly that I began to 1324 01:25:21,373 --> 01:25:24,053 Speaker 2: think that I was at a seventies rock gig. And 1325 01:25:24,093 --> 01:25:25,733 Speaker 2: then this morning I latched onto the bank of an 1326 01:25:25,813 --> 01:25:28,813 Speaker 2: MG going down the A forty at thirty ks an hour. 1327 01:25:29,573 --> 01:25:32,733 Speaker 2: Dawdling has become a national pastime, and there was a 1328 01:25:32,773 --> 01:25:35,773 Speaker 2: time when even the littlest old lady cruised down the 1329 01:25:35,853 --> 01:25:39,733 Speaker 2: road a road like this at ninety Not only more 1330 01:25:40,333 --> 01:25:43,573 Speaker 2: and this makes the idiotically fast cars even more soley 1331 01:25:44,333 --> 01:25:47,453 Speaker 2: as it's no longer the case that you aren't allowed 1332 01:25:47,493 --> 01:25:50,973 Speaker 2: to drive them quickly. You actually can't, and you can't 1333 01:25:51,013 --> 01:25:53,853 Speaker 2: overtake because there's always a cyclist coming the other way. 1334 01:25:54,413 --> 01:25:56,933 Speaker 2: All of which brings me to the new Mercedes AMG 1335 01:25:57,253 --> 01:26:02,773 Speaker 2: GT sixty three new questioned mark. It doesn't look it. 1336 01:26:02,773 --> 01:26:05,973 Speaker 2: It looks pretty much identical to the old GT sixty three, 1337 01:26:06,773 --> 01:26:10,413 Speaker 2: but it isn't. A very panel is different and now 1338 01:26:10,413 --> 01:26:12,653 Speaker 2: there are two seats in the back and four wheel drive. 1339 01:26:12,813 --> 01:26:16,293 Speaker 2: Plus it's bigger, much bigger. Parking will be an issue, 1340 01:26:16,333 --> 01:26:19,733 Speaker 2: I can assure you. And there's more. The gearbox is 1341 01:26:19,773 --> 01:26:22,773 Speaker 2: no longer at the other end of the prop shaft. 1342 01:26:23,013 --> 01:26:26,253 Speaker 2: It's attached to the engine, and the anti roll bars 1343 01:26:26,253 --> 01:26:29,333 Speaker 2: are being replaced by electronics, so they won't work after 1344 01:26:29,373 --> 01:26:32,893 Speaker 2: a while if you want everything to not work. There's 1345 01:26:32,973 --> 01:26:38,613 Speaker 2: even a hybrid version with fewer carbon dioxides the Mercedes 1346 01:26:38,773 --> 01:26:43,413 Speaker 2: AMGGT sixty three dash. The car I drove was the 1347 01:26:43,733 --> 01:26:47,653 Speaker 2: Premium Plus, which costs one hundred and sixty five thousand 1348 01:26:47,813 --> 01:26:50,813 Speaker 2: pounds in the UK, and I must say it feels 1349 01:26:50,933 --> 01:26:53,613 Speaker 2: like it should be more. It also feels like the 1350 01:26:53,773 --> 01:26:58,333 Speaker 2: engine is more powerful than it is because it's silly fast, 1351 01:26:58,893 --> 01:27:04,693 Speaker 2: scary fast. It's also loud, loud, like AMG Merks used 1352 01:27:04,693 --> 01:27:07,173 Speaker 2: to be when I was one of their most passionate customers. 1353 01:27:07,573 --> 01:27:11,933 Speaker 2: This car the growl of a bear called thunderstorm. It's 1354 01:27:11,973 --> 01:27:15,853 Speaker 2: a wondrous noise. And yet when you dig into the stats, 1355 01:27:15,933 --> 01:27:18,333 Speaker 2: you discover that the engine is not as the badge 1356 01:27:18,333 --> 01:27:21,013 Speaker 2: would imply, a six point three liter of the eight. 1357 01:27:21,853 --> 01:27:25,173 Speaker 2: It's a twin turbo four liter, just like mine, and 1358 01:27:25,333 --> 01:27:28,493 Speaker 2: it only produces four hundred and thirty kilowatts. It feels 1359 01:27:28,813 --> 01:27:31,853 Speaker 2: like a lot more. Maybe it's because the car is 1360 01:27:32,053 --> 01:27:36,253 Speaker 2: so huge. It's as though someone has fitted after burners 1361 01:27:36,333 --> 01:27:40,493 Speaker 2: to Yorkshire Mercedi says the car hits one hundred k's 1362 01:27:40,533 --> 01:27:42,893 Speaker 2: in three point two seconds, but again, I'd bet it's 1363 01:27:42,973 --> 01:27:46,653 Speaker 2: faster than that. The company also says it has limited 1364 01:27:46,693 --> 01:27:49,653 Speaker 2: the top speed to three hundred and fifteen k's, which 1365 01:27:49,733 --> 01:27:52,333 Speaker 2: brings me back to where I was. It's not the 1366 01:27:52,413 --> 01:27:55,493 Speaker 2: electronics that keeps this car anchored in the real world. 1367 01:27:56,253 --> 01:28:00,253 Speaker 2: It's the adenoidal clown in front and his horrible kiir. 1368 01:28:01,213 --> 01:28:04,933 Speaker 2: You don't know precisely what adenoidal means. You can look 1369 01:28:04,973 --> 01:28:07,893 Speaker 2: it up. It's not very kind. And then he goes 1370 01:28:07,933 --> 01:28:11,013 Speaker 2: on with the cat of experiences about driving between the 1371 01:28:11,773 --> 01:28:14,413 Speaker 2: farm and the pub, he says, but in the AMG 1372 01:28:14,613 --> 01:28:17,653 Speaker 2: it was a constant frustration, because even the tractors were 1373 01:28:17,733 --> 01:28:20,293 Speaker 2: being held up. Still, it gave me plenty of time 1374 01:28:20,333 --> 01:28:22,613 Speaker 2: to think about other things, such as the meaning of life, 1375 01:28:23,013 --> 01:28:25,573 Speaker 2: whether I could make it to the pub before mine ended, 1376 01:28:26,133 --> 01:28:29,213 Speaker 2: and how lovely the dashboard was. I also noticed the 1377 01:28:29,293 --> 01:28:33,453 Speaker 2: seats were superb, that the rear wheel steering wasn't too vicious, 1378 01:28:34,013 --> 01:28:37,133 Speaker 2: and that the ride in comfort mode at least was 1379 01:28:37,333 --> 01:28:40,813 Speaker 2: rather good, maybe because the front and back wheels are 1380 01:28:40,893 --> 01:28:45,253 Speaker 2: so far apart. And then he concludes, ordinarily, using drapes 1381 01:28:45,333 --> 01:28:47,893 Speaker 2: and tape to make a car bearable would cause me 1382 01:28:47,973 --> 01:28:51,653 Speaker 2: the question to question the wisdom of buying it. And 1383 01:28:51,733 --> 01:28:55,093 Speaker 2: I'd be similarly hesitant about buying all that power that 1384 01:28:55,173 --> 01:28:57,413 Speaker 2: I could never use, especially as it comes in a 1385 01:28:57,453 --> 01:29:02,933 Speaker 2: package that's only really parkable in Nevada. And yet this 1386 01:29:03,133 --> 01:29:06,613 Speaker 2: is the first fast Mercedes I've driven in a very 1387 01:29:06,693 --> 01:29:10,893 Speaker 2: long time that I've truly enjoyed. It's mad and completely 1388 01:29:10,933 --> 01:29:13,373 Speaker 2: out of tune with the times, but I loved the 1389 01:29:13,453 --> 01:29:17,173 Speaker 2: loudness and the unnecessariness of it all. Richard Hammond tells 1390 01:29:17,253 --> 01:29:19,573 Speaker 2: me that he seriously thought about buying a GT, but 1391 01:29:19,733 --> 01:29:23,453 Speaker 2: settled in the end for some kind of portion nine 1392 01:29:23,493 --> 01:29:27,213 Speaker 2: to eleven. You made a mistake, mate. The Merks and 1393 01:29:27,413 --> 01:29:32,213 Speaker 2: Absolute Belter details four liter of V eight twin turbo 1394 01:29:32,293 --> 01:29:35,133 Speaker 2: petrol performance not to one hundred and three point two 1395 01:29:35,173 --> 01:29:38,173 Speaker 2: seconds top speed, three hundred and fifteen k's price. The 1396 01:29:38,293 --> 01:29:41,693 Speaker 2: GT sixty three series starts from three hundred and sixty 1397 01:29:41,813 --> 01:29:47,173 Speaker 2: six thousand, five hundred Australian dollars and it still only 1398 01:29:47,253 --> 01:29:53,493 Speaker 2: gets four stars, not five. So that's what Jeremy and 1399 01:29:53,613 --> 01:29:57,853 Speaker 2: I have in common, a love for a particular Mercedes. 1400 01:29:58,813 --> 01:30:01,573 Speaker 2: And I read no, I didn't. I watched a review 1401 01:30:01,653 --> 01:30:04,293 Speaker 2: of the latest of my model, which is now three 1402 01:30:04,373 --> 01:30:06,653 Speaker 2: years old, a couple of days ago, and I thought, 1403 01:30:07,173 --> 01:30:09,613 Speaker 2: do I need that? The answer was no, I don't 1404 01:30:09,693 --> 01:30:11,853 Speaker 2: need it. And besides that, it's got one of those 1405 01:30:12,573 --> 01:30:16,253 Speaker 2: feral engines, which actually would save a lot of money. 1406 01:30:16,733 --> 01:30:20,853 Speaker 2: I will probably just stick to the one I've got forever. 1407 01:30:21,253 --> 01:30:23,653 Speaker 2: And the thought of the GT sixty three, and would 1408 01:30:23,653 --> 01:30:26,413 Speaker 2: I could I afford it? If I started saving. 1409 01:30:26,133 --> 01:30:26,613 Speaker 1: For it now? 1410 01:30:27,533 --> 01:30:29,573 Speaker 2: It would be an antique car before I could buy it, 1411 01:30:30,293 --> 01:30:33,333 Speaker 2: and that would mean that I wouldn't be here to 1412 01:30:33,413 --> 01:30:40,573 Speaker 2: do it. So with all that in mind, that will 1413 01:30:40,613 --> 01:30:43,533 Speaker 2: take us out for podcast Take us out for Podcasts 1414 01:30:43,573 --> 01:30:46,973 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty nine. 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