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Speaker 1: Ever due for Zeland, the LG paper mill in Penrose

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Speaker 1: is going to close. It's the latest closure related to

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Speaker 1: energy prices amongst other things, of course, but it is

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Speaker 1: also and this is important, the only paper recycling mill

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Speaker 1: in the country for all. Suit is Deputy Director of

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Speaker 1: Resilience and Infrastructure at Auckland Council, hyperoule Hi. Good to

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Speaker 1: talk to you again. What's going to happen to Auckland

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Speaker 1: is recycled paper.

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Speaker 2: So the paper and cardboard that you were putting in

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Speaker 2: your recycling bill and still date, will still continue to

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Speaker 2: go overseas for recycling because the material that we collect

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Speaker 2: from your curbside, from domestic properties was not going to

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Speaker 2: the plant in Auckland.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yes, so our paper in Auckland was going to

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Speaker 1: Malaysia anyway, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes to various markets in Asiel because we

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Speaker 2: sell paper and cardboard as a commodity in the markets

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Speaker 2: and we go for where we get a good price

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Speaker 2: for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh do we get paid for it?

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Speaker 2: Y Apsolute recyclables are all treated as commodities, so they're

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Speaker 2: not just sent there for recycling and they're on charges

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Speaker 2: for that. We do get a price for it. There

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Speaker 2: is obviously we need to haul it there, so there

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Speaker 2: are shipping involved in it, but there is a price

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Speaker 2: at the end of it in terms of people buying it.

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Speaker 1: So who does this affect the closure of the og

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Speaker 1: paper mill? Is this private companies who were doing their

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Speaker 1: own recycling of paper.

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Speaker 2: There are some private companies that would be supplying material

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Speaker 2: to the ORG plant, but there are other There are

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Speaker 2: other councils that were providing material to Orgy as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so potentially other councils that are going to have

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Speaker 1: to fall into line with Auckland and send it overseas

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Speaker 1: to Malaysia.

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Speaker 2: That's right. I think as OGI talks about their arm

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Speaker 2: that collects paper and cardboard full circle, I think they

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Speaker 2: call it is going to then send it on to Malaysia,

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Speaker 2: so they will keep that continuity for service for those

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Speaker 2: councils and their other clients.

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Speaker 1: Have you done the maths on whether it is better

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Speaker 1: for us environmentally to stick that paper on a ship

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Speaker 1: to Malaysia or stick it in the ground here.

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Speaker 2: We definitely have done that work, Heather, because we need

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Speaker 2: to think about the life cycle of that product or

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Speaker 2: the packaging type and what does it mean to actually

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Speaker 2: make it, use it and then put it in landfill

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Speaker 2: or actually recycle it, even if it has to be

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Speaker 2: overseas and what does it replace in terms of virgin material?

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Speaker 2: And if you take all of that into consideration, it

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Speaker 2: definitely is better to recycle even if it has to

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Speaker 2: be overseased.

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Speaker 1: Much better or just a little bit better.

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Speaker 2: No, it is much better because it is actually replacing

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Speaker 2: virgin material and it is about closing the loop on

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Speaker 2: the product as well. I mean, it would be great

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Speaker 2: if you can do everything here in New Zealand, but

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Speaker 2: unfortunately that can't happen.

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