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Speaker 1: Hey, good afternoon. Well, the government's boot camp trial is

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Speaker 1: under the microscope, with the news that one of the

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Speaker 1: kids has died in a car crash and two other

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Speaker 1: kids have run away after his Tonguey Labour's now calling

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Speaker 1: on the boot camps to be shut down entirely. Act

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Speaker 1: Party leader David Seymour has been an advocate for the

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Speaker 1: boot camp trial and is with us. Now, Hey, David,

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Speaker 1: are you seeing this as a failure of the boot camps.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'll get into the opposition later if

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Speaker 2: you want to give me a chance, but let's just

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Speaker 2: deal with this very serious issue. You've had again kids

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Speaker 2: go with it. You've got eight of them who are

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Speaker 2: actually doing very well. You've had one who has tragically

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Speaker 2: died in a car crash. We can't say much more

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Speaker 2: about that, but there is nothing to suggest that I'm

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Speaker 2: aware of that actually he was up to anything wrong.

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Speaker 2: He was just called in a tragic accident, which sadly

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Speaker 2: happens to hundreds of New Zealanders every year, despite them

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Speaker 2: doing nothing wrong. We've had another kid who had reoffended

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Speaker 2: and he's the one who has definitely done something long

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Speaker 2: since entering the course and only one that has that

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Speaker 2: was given compassionate consideration despite being locked up again to

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Speaker 2: go out to the tonguey of his mate who had

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Speaker 2: died and absconded from the toungey. Finally, today, another kid

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Speaker 2: who for reasons that aren't clear, who was outside of

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Speaker 2: the facility. I remember they're on the kind of home

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Speaker 2: supervision part has broken his court order and has gone

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Speaker 2: missing over the last few hours. We don't know much

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Speaker 2: more about that. I think once you get a practical

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Speaker 2: view of what's actually happened, the oppositions, shall I say,

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Speaker 2: hysterics can be put in a bit of context. I

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Speaker 2: think it says more about them than this policy or

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Speaker 2: these youth offenders. And you've got a bear in mind,

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Speaker 2: you don't get put in juvie for smoking behind the

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Speaker 2: bike shed. I mean, these are some of the most

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Speaker 2: broken and sometimes dangerous kids that there are. I've been

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Speaker 2: to the facility at Parmers North. I've actually sat down

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Speaker 2: with these kids and I think it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: early to say that this program has failed it. I

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Speaker 2: actually think it's doing very well. Bear in mind there's

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Speaker 2: others who, for example, have started a barbering apprentice ship

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Speaker 2: and are turning their larves around.

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Speaker 1: And so why do you want to have a crack

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Speaker 1: at the opposition over this?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's pretty simple here that when I came into

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Speaker 2: Parliament ten years ago, there were people in the Green

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Speaker 2: Party who maybe not my tea, but you could talk

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Speaker 2: to them. Maybe a bit quirky, but well meaning, very

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Speaker 2: thoughtful and often very intelligent. I look at Tabitha Hall today,

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Speaker 2: miss representing the situation for political gain, saying that the

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Speaker 2: kid died in a military style of academy, which is

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Speaker 2: absolutely untrue. And then you've got an opposition politician who

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Speaker 2: reads the headlines, asked what's going to give her the

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Speaker 2: biggest political sugar hit, and then goes out and spreads

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Speaker 2: misinformation about a vulnerable child who's died. Now, what does

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Speaker 2: that tell you about the Greens. They don't actually believe

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Speaker 2: in supporting vulnerable children. They believe in using them for

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Speaker 2: political purposes. And when she was found out, she said, oh,

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Speaker 2: I just chose to amplify the voice of another young person,

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Speaker 2: So she's actually blaming her screw up on another. So

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Speaker 2: she's actually managed to use and abuse two children in

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Speaker 2: the course of this. I just think it's a disgrace

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Speaker 2: but I'm not surprised because these are the same people who,

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Speaker 2: when the Royal Commission of Abuse and State Care inquiry

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Speaker 2: was released, chose to politicize it horrifically personally attack Karen Sure,

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Speaker 2: who's actually one of the people who could well be

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Speaker 2: in those reports given her background. It shows a politicization

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Speaker 2: of issues that deserve some maturity. And you know what,

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Speaker 2: I compare that to the Green Party I Houston. I

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Speaker 2: think they've got really big problems politically, policy wise, but

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Speaker 2: most importantly ethically.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, David, thank you. I appreciate your time. That David Seamore,

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Speaker 1: the Act Party leader.

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