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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news,

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Speaker 1: Tolp said.

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Speaker 2: Be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today former

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Speaker 3: Health Minister now Labour leader Chris Hopkins with his response

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Speaker 3: to the COVID inquiry that his government asked for water care,

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Speaker 3: with the latest on the arsenic levels in the Auckland

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Speaker 3: and Hamilton water and also we'll have a chat to

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Speaker 3: the Free Speech Union and find out why it is

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Speaker 3: that considering legal action over Candice Owens being denied the visa.

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Speaker 4: Heather duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: So, the first part of this Royal Commission of Inquiry

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Speaker 3: into the COVID response has dropped today a couple of

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Speaker 3: hours ago. And from what I've read, and look, I've

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Speaker 3: got to be honest, you haven't read the whole thing

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Speaker 3: because it is seven hundred and thirteen pages long, sin

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Speaker 3: is a hell of a lot to wade through. But

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Speaker 3: from what I have managed to read in this report,

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Speaker 3: it seems to me that the strongest criticism has been

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Speaker 3: reserved for the use of vaccine mandates. Now the report says,

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Speaker 3: you remember the vacs mandates. This is where we said

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Speaker 3: if you worked in a certain setting, and it ended

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Speaker 3: up being quite a few workplaces, if you worked in

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Speaker 3: a certain workplace and you didn't get the JAB, we

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Speaker 3: a lot of people got fired over it, and there

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Speaker 3: were a lot of court cases and stuff like that. Now,

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Speaker 3: what the report says is that the mandates ended up

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Speaker 3: actually being used in too many workplaces, and when they

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Speaker 3: were used, they were used for too long. Now it

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Speaker 3: turns out Chippy and just Sender and everybody else in

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Speaker 3: that cabinet they already knew in January twenty twenty two

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Speaker 3: that the vaccine mandates were not going to work because

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Speaker 3: omicron was already in the country, and if you remember,

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Speaker 3: omicron was so much more infectious, and they knew that

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Speaker 3: the vaccine didn't stop people passing omicron on. And yet

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Speaker 3: even though they knew in January twenty twenty two that

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Speaker 3: the mandates were not going to stop the spread of omicron,

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Speaker 3: they kept the mandates in place until September that year,

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Speaker 3: So that's eight months after they knew the vaccine go

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Speaker 3: and stopped spreading the COVID. For eight months, people kept

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Speaker 3: on losing their jobs, losing their income, losing their homes,

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Speaker 3: having to pull their kids out of school and move

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Speaker 3: somewhere else, disrupting their entire lives for eight months. That

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Speaker 3: happened to New Zealanders when there was no reason for

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Speaker 3: that to be happening at all, no reason to fire

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Speaker 3: them because they didn't need to take the JAB, because

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Speaker 3: the JAB was not going to stop the COVID from spreading. Now,

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Speaker 3: if you want to be generous to cabinet, you can say, look,

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Speaker 3: you know they were dealing with information in real time

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Speaker 3: and they needed a bit of time to be able

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Speaker 3: to remove manages, blah blah blah whatever. You could maybe

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Speaker 3: give them a bit of leeway through to March. Remember

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Speaker 3: they knew in January you could give them some leeway

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Speaker 3: through to March. You could say that's when the peak

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Speaker 3: to the report, drop the mandates. So even being kind

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Speaker 3: to them, it should have happened in March, which means,

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Speaker 3: even being kind to them, they kept firing people for

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Speaker 3: six months for no reason. Now, I personally think those

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Speaker 3: people who lost their jobs are owed an apology, if

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Speaker 3: I think Chippy who was the Health Minister at the time,

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Speaker 3: owe an apology to all those Kiwis who lost their

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Speaker 3: They didn't need to lose their jobs. Now quite why

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Speaker 3: don't have it. There's no explanation for it. Maybe it's

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Speaker 3: because the mandates were popular with Kiwis, and maybe it

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Speaker 3: was all just about politics. I don't know, but you

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Speaker 3: know what, an admission that it was wrong would be

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Speaker 4: It was wrong either due for ce Allen.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have a chat to Chippy actually Health former

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Speaker 3: Health Minister will be with us after five o'clock. Nine

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Speaker 6: By the way.

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Speaker 3: Now on another subject altogether, but off a tough market

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Speaker 3: for fake meat manufacturers by the looks of things. We've

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Speaker 3: got another plant based company in the country, Sustainable Foods Limited,

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Speaker 3: which is on into voluntary administration. In April, the fake

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Speaker 3: meat company Sunfed also announced that it was closing. Ristraateur

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Speaker 3: Martin Bosley is with me now.

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Speaker 4: Had bos Hey, how you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. What's going on here? People

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Speaker 3: just not into the fake meat?

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Speaker 7: I think, oh god, sorry, I thought I got rid

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Speaker 7: of my phone multiple Oh yeah, I'm very.

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Speaker 2: I'm a very important person.

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Speaker 7: Only at four o'clock in the afternoon. It would I

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Speaker 7: think it's I don't think it's I think I think

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Speaker 7: they got they gone into it, and I think they've

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Speaker 7: back lats against it. But I think what it Sean

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Speaker 7: lied on was the need for sort of more plant

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Speaker 7: And that's sort of think that's the to desire for

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Speaker 3: So if I look, I tried it and its taste

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Speaker 3: was fine, is that surprisingly good? But it just never

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Speaker 3: really I just never really got into it because I thought,

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Speaker 3: if I don't want to eat meat, I'll eat a plant.

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Speaker 3: So is that basically when people got.

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Speaker 7: I think it was like, you know, people who wanted

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Speaker 7: They were gonna always have meats. So it was kind

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Speaker 7: of like, you know, so if you're a vegetarian, here's

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Speaker 7: an option. But if you're a vegetarian, why did you

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Speaker 7: want some of that tasted like chicken when you already

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Speaker 3: Was Yeah, it was a fad basically.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it might have been. You know, it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so do you think that this is going

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Speaker 3: to If you are an investor in plant in fake

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Speaker 7: God know, should ever looked to me to financially advice

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Speaker 7: either you know that or me frankly, but you know,

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Speaker 7: but the planta I mean also were kind of like,

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Speaker 7: They you know, they regally incorporate plant based foods into

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Speaker 3: I think, what are you eating at the moment? What's cool?

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Speaker 7: Oh god, I've got I've gone back to like really simple,

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Speaker 7: I think, you know, we're just like like last night,

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Speaker 3: Oh that's pretty flesh.

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Speaker 7: There's a flesh carrots like I called it caramelized carrots.

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Speaker 7: But they were, you know, so I kind of put

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Speaker 2: And but isn't this but.

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Speaker 3: This is just the benefit of living in New Zealand, right,

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Speaker 3: We don't need to dress stuff up with fancy sauces

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Speaker 7: Exact when people were saying to me, like, how do

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Speaker 7: it's how you'd go past it, tomad of the feet,

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Speaker 7: the quality of our ingredients produce that makes the difference.

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Speaker 7: It is so good. You know, we're an agricultural nation

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Speaker 7: I think so as we kind of assume the rest

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Speaker 7: and it's simply don't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have it as good. Hey boss, thanks man,

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Speaker 3: really appreciate it's Martain Bosley Ristratur and absolutely top guy.

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Speaker 3: Do you know, do you know who's not feeling like

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Speaker 3: a top guy? Guy who was driving the police car

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Speaker 3: that crashed into Chris Luxeon's car. I about that. I mean,

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Speaker 3: how how tough is it to be in the police

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Speaker 3: at the moment. So first they leave, they leave Luxo's

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Speaker 3: itinery on the dashboard if everybody just cop an eye

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Speaker 3: it happened yesterday about half past three in Wellington, so

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Speaker 3: around about the school kids have just come out out

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Speaker 3: There they're on Cobham Drive, which is that built between

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Speaker 3: presumably coming from the airport I'm assuming, or going to

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Speaker 3: the airport, God only knows, but anyway, it's the you know,

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Speaker 3: the airport bit with a needle, the orange needle in

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Speaker 3: the sky and Luxo's in the car with Nikoler Willis

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Speaker 3: and the they're in the Crown car and behind them

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Speaker 3: It's tough to be a cop at the moment. Sixteen

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Speaker 1: on Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with one New Zealand Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected, the news.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to know what to get going on?

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Speaker 5: Right now?

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Speaker 9: We'll tell you this is very up to date. Incidentally,

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Speaker 9: and you see a dollar forty five to win this

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Speaker 9: Test match after being inserted ten for fort Mitchell is

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Speaker 9: just gone trying to a big pool, looks of it?

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Speaker 9: Cart it up up in the air court. Never mind,

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Speaker 9: because Williamson's still there eighty five not out blundles and

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Speaker 9: now on two. But this is where it gets interesting.

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Speaker 9: So dollar forty five for New Zealand two, in which

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Speaker 9: it seems reasonably solid. But let's look at the market

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Speaker 9: I like, which is Kin Williamson And this is Kan

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Speaker 9: Williamson to score a ton. So what are the chances

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Speaker 9: of skin they're saying for one hundred in this innings?

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Speaker 9: He's paying a dollar twenty right now twenty more runs

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Speaker 9: to get is it worth it?

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Speaker 3: Fourteen or four dollars?

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Speaker 9: Twenty for him to fall in the next twenty hours.

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Speaker 9: Now that'll be his thirty third Test century, and the

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Speaker 9: way he's been scoring them, you suggest you would suggest

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Speaker 9: do as I say, make your own mind up that

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Speaker 9: he may well pick up that thirty third Test century.

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Speaker 3: Looking so good. I mean it started a bit dodgy.

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Speaker 3: They sort of managed to write it. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not feeling convinced by this innings,

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Speaker 3: are you?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 9: And I think it's good though the pitch will flatten out.

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Speaker 9: I'm a bit concerned that Mitchell disappeared, and by the

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Speaker 9: looks of it, Cass was pitching him quite short and

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Speaker 9: he got a little lucky.

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Speaker 5: I think it was the top edge that he got.

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Speaker 9: So Blundle's got a lot of work to do. He's

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Speaker 9: probably underweaving of pressure. He keeps particularly well when it

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Speaker 9: comes to wheel in the willow. He's hardly covered himself

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Speaker 9: and glory and then came Williamson. He's on ninety now

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Speaker 9: look at that. He's having an answort field day.

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Speaker 3: Did you see that ration Ravender crop to the bullbox?

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Speaker 11: Did you see it?

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Speaker 9: And the protector?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called the bullbox, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: I was actually in the car.

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Speaker 3: It was a direct hat. Oh really, it was a

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Speaker 3: direct hat. That was an impressive show.

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Speaker 9: That's really interested that the box has been in play

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Speaker 9: for This says a lot about men. How long has

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Speaker 9: the box been in play for cricket and compulsory and

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Speaker 9: for cricket? How long, like you know, generational, it's been

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Speaker 9: there forever and ever. I mean then he started wearing

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Speaker 9: helmets about twenty years ago. So what's more important to

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Speaker 9: a man? I don't need my brain, but.

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Speaker 12: Don't you touch him?

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Speaker 3: Dicky, your way says.

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Speaker 9: A lot about the human racing about particularly sorry about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Brad Moore joining the Crusaders, what do you make

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Speaker 3: of that?

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Speaker 9: Well, Brad more assistant coach and you're right the way

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Speaker 9: to the thick of the most successful time for the Crusaders.

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Speaker 9: Then he up and left to go a plum tree

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Speaker 9: to become an assistant coach of the All Blacks next

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Speaker 9: level up and then Foster sacked him after they got

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Speaker 9: at the Rowland. Look there you go, Brad's head rolling

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Speaker 9: down a hill. Now Brad Dean disappeared. He didn't pack

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Speaker 9: sad and we've got some international experience, but at a

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Speaker 9: time assistant coach for Argentina, but at a time assistant

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Speaker 9: coach for Scotland, which is what they all talk about

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Speaker 9: international experience right there. Now he's come back back home again.

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Speaker 9: He's joining up with Matt Todd who used to play

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Speaker 9: under him, Rob.

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Speaker 12: Penny and Rob Penny and who used to play together at.

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Speaker 9: Club level way back in the day. So that's the

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Speaker 9: trend for it, if you will, to try and take

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Speaker 9: the Crusaders back to their promised land. He said, no,

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Speaker 9: I haven't even thought about taking the head coach job.

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Speaker 9: But we know that Rob Penny is only contract to

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Speaker 9: teens next year. They're looking for somebody else. Here's a

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Speaker 9: guy with the history. We talk about what makes good.

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Speaker 9: It's all about grasping and grabbing and holding on to

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Speaker 9: the history and this is what these guys have got

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Speaker 9: in Spade. So that's a that's a great appointment. They're

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Speaker 9: looking forward to seeing man.

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Speaker 3: Thanks dus appreciate it. Dues and Autograve. We're back sports

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Speaker 3: Sports Talk at seven.

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Speaker 9: Brent Lee's going to join us on the show tonight.

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Speaker 12: The Aussie fast baller of.

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Speaker 3: Great Rule with the hair, Hey, with the hair. Hey,

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Speaker 3: that's gonna be awesome. Yeah, and I'll keep you upstairs

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Speaker 3: with shame bond.

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Speaker 12: We've got fast bowlers everywhere.

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Speaker 3: I got crack cracket Yeah. Four twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Dupless d

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Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

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Speaker 1: youth talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be hey, over and assy. That troublesome Senator Lydia Thorpe,

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Speaker 3: you know the one who yelled out at King Charles,

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Speaker 3: you're not my king. She has been suspended from the Senate.

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Speaker 3: Happened last night because she'd been a pain in the

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Speaker 3: ars for absolutely ages, and then last night she took

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Speaker 3: her too far because they were in some sort of

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Speaker 3: a debate and she threw paper at Pauline Hanson just

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Speaker 3: to illustrate that she's not a grown up at all.

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Speaker 3: So they took a vote as to whether they sh'd

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Speaker 3: suspend her, and she was suspended forty six eleven. The

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Speaker 3: eleven was a big majority. The eleven who were like, nah,

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Speaker 3: she's done nothing wrong. Greens, I've got no standards. They

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Speaker 3: were like, she can stay anyway. Murray Old's is going

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Speaker 3: to be with us on ten minutes in that hither,

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Speaker 3: on that rather hither, I went past the accident. This

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Speaker 3: is the Prime Minister's car being rare ended by the

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Speaker 3: cop car. I went past the accident about a minute

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Speaker 3: after it happened yesterday. The drivers had only just started

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Speaker 3: looking at the damage. It was a black DPSSUV. It

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Speaker 3: came out of the fire station round about on Cobbom Drive,

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Speaker 3: just a bit quicker than the Crown Lamo and smack

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Speaker 3: into the back. It was quite funny. Actually. There were

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Speaker 3: men in black suits and dark glasses with their earpieces

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Speaker 3: and they called coiled wires down their shirts checking the

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Speaker 3: damage to the boss's car. It's amazing how you can

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Speaker 3: have all of that equipment, all of that tech, and

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Speaker 3: be super cool and like a man in black and

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Speaker 3: you could still accidentally drive into the back of the

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Speaker 3: boss's car. Heather real suggestion for compensation for those affected

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Speaker 3: by the COVID mandate, No way. If they had just

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Speaker 3: followed what the rest of us did and got vaccinated,

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Speaker 3: then they wouldn't have had the job loss. It's a

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Speaker 3: pretty simple They didn't want to, aren't they adults? And

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Speaker 3: they can make decisions for themselves. You don't fire somebody

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Speaker 3: because they don't do what you want them to do.

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Speaker 3: Bs Heather, the mandates were never going to stop the spread,

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Speaker 3: but they were designed to slow it down to give

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Speaker 3: the hospital's breathing space. And the selfishi refused vaccination deserved

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Speaker 3: to be sacked. Man alive, hardasses, EH Headlines.

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Speaker 1: Next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather Duplicy

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Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and

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Speaker 1: you talk Z be.

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Speaker 7: You well blon yellow colds.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what if those if those comments about

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Speaker 3: the mandates getting you worked up, and they are by

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Speaker 3: the looks of things, Wait till you hear what the

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Speaker 3: report's got to say about. Jasinda Ardun in her single

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Speaker 3: source of truth comment got some more on that, Heather,

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Speaker 3: are these are unbearable. They've well and truly swallowed the

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Speaker 3: COVID kool aide. You are one hundred percent correct that

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Speaker 3: vaccination wasn't going to stop the spread of omicron. I'm

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Speaker 3: still suffering PTSD from the bloody Auckland lockdown that no

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Speaker 3: one outside the city can ever have a hope of appreciating.

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Speaker 3: I know, it's like when you go to war. You know,

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Speaker 3: when you go to war. I don't know. I've never

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Speaker 3: been to war. But people who go to war, they

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Speaker 3: become a brotherhood of people who've had an experience together

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Speaker 3: that nobody can understand. That's what it's like for Auckland.

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Speaker 3: A Auckland Aucklanders are like about this thing, and everybody

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Speaker 3: else is like, why are you so angry about that lockdown?

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Speaker 3: It's because you can't understand if you weren't part of it. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I'll get you across the rest of it shortly. I

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Speaker 3: just got to tell you what's going on with Menfooon.

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Speaker 3: Did you see what got what he's up to now?

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Speaker 3: This is Meingfoon, former race relations commissioner, former mayor of Gisbon.

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Speaker 3: He has become a driving instructor. I mean the guy

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Speaker 3: is how old is he sixty five? So he doesn't

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Speaker 3: have to work anymore. It's not like he's and he's

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Speaker 3: actually independently reasonably wealthy. But he just did it. He

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Speaker 3: So there's that so and he's actually, as was pointed

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Speaker 3: out to me, got a very calm disposition, so actually

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Speaker 3: exactly the kind of person who would handle being a

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Speaker 3: too much, or if he did, he wouldn't display it. Also,

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Speaker 3: he's no longer ming Foon. He's now Ming Fon, as

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Speaker 3: name is actually Mengfong. And he thinks that what happened

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Speaker 4: Five, it's the world wires on news. Dogs'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: So we're about twenty four to twenty five hours into

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Speaker 3: there is Israel has Bolla Trusan. So far it's holding

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Speaker 3: his Bolla and Israel are both pulling their forces back,

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Speaker 3: and Lebanese civilians are returning to their homes. Some his

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Speaker 3: Bolla supporters are claiming that the ceasefire is a victory

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Speaker 4: What happened is very good. This is resistance is on

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Speaker 4: and blind.

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Speaker 3: Now threats have been made against several of the people

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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump has picked for his administration. The FBI

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Speaker 3: is investigating bomb threats and incidents of swatting where police

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Speaker 3: are called to her a person's house under false pretenses.

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Speaker 3: A former deputy director of the FBI says, threats like

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Speaker 3: this are becoming quite common and they're always a real

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Speaker 13: They probably know ninety percent sure that the East threats

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Speaker 13: as they come in are worthless. They are hoaxed, there's

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Speaker 13: nothing to them, but they can't take the risk of

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Speaker 13: not responding on the off chance that one real threat

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Speaker 3: And finally, Adele is charging almost six hundred dollars for

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Speaker 3: her newest concert album. This is a limited edition box set. Right, so,

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Speaker 3: the limited edition box set has a vinyl recording of

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Speaker 3: one of her Las Vegas residency performances. It's got a

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Speaker 3: photo book, and it's got some confetti from the live

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Speaker 3: New Zealand dollars plus post no.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, International correspondence with ends and eye insurance peace of

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Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Murray old Zzy corresponds, that's hay Mars.

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Speaker 5: Gooday here they're going to afternoon Lydia Thorpe for gift

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Speaker 5: that keeps on giving. Made a good thing.

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Speaker 14: The Senators rising at the upper house of the Federal Parliament.

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Speaker 14: It's been a very long year and the kids are

440
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Speaker 14: getting very ruckecy at the end of school.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday, well look there's some moving parts in this.

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Speaker 14: Yesterday Pauline Hansen tried to query whether Fatima Payment, a

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Speaker 14: young woman born in Afghanistan, is she even allowed to

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Speaker 14: sit in the Australian Parliament. Queried Hansen, Well, Fatima Payment

445
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Speaker 14: gave her both barrels, said you're just a disgrace of

446
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Speaker 14: the human race, Hansen, and then Lydia Thorpe throws Hanson's

447
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Speaker 14: motion a bunch of papers around the Senate. Well enough

448
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Speaker 14: was enough for both major parties and they ganged up

449
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Speaker 14: on Thorpe and agreed to have.

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Speaker 5: Her suspended for two days ah the last two days

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Speaker 5: of the year.

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Speaker 14: So she's walked out of the house yesterday with a

453
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Speaker 14: middle finger up to the whole chamber, and she's come

454
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Speaker 14: back today. The doors are open, proceedings are underway, and

455
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Speaker 14: she gives them a godful take a listen.

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Speaker 15: Pray, I call the clerk, I call the clerk.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go. Lydia Thorpe the gift he keeps

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Speaker 5: on giving.

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Speaker 3: Is there anybody who is impressed with her behavior? I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously right minded people like myself and yourself are like,

461
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Speaker 3: what a lunatic? But what about the people who care

462
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Speaker 3: about the causes that she advocates?

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Speaker 5: So do they like this? Well?

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Speaker 14: Look, honestly, I can't. I can't answer that, to be honest. Look,

465
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Speaker 14: she likes the sound of her own voice. She loves

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Speaker 14: the attention of the publicity. Yeah, whether that gets her

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Speaker 14: elected again when the Senate comes around, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: She's certainly got more headlines than most of them. I

469
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Speaker 5: mean a lot of them.

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Speaker 14: They could bite you on the bum. They're so anonymous

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Speaker 14: you wouldn't know who the heck they are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair points know who she is. And we will

473
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Speaker 3: probably not forget for a long time that copper who

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Speaker 3: tasted the old lady's being convicted of manslaughter, which really

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Speaker 3: was there was no other way, right, I mean, once

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Speaker 3: you kind of knew the circumstances, it was clear the

477
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Speaker 3: guy shouldn't have done it.

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Speaker 5: Well now he should not have done it.

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Speaker 14: And for those who don't know, ninety five year old

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Speaker 14: woman clan Nowland a great grandmother with dementia. And she

481
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Speaker 14: was there in a nursing home and Kuma down in

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Speaker 14: the snowy mountains a year ago now, no over a

483
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Speaker 14: year ago now anyway, as she had taken a couple

484
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Speaker 14: of knives from the kitchen, was walking, was but you know,

485
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Speaker 14: getting around on a walker, had gone into another residence room,

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Speaker 14: which isn't cool, I guess, and one of the supervisors

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Speaker 14: called police.

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Speaker 5: Well, the police have turned up with paramedics. And you

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Speaker 5: would think, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 14: She's ninety five, she's frail, she's old, she can't get

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Speaker 14: around that quickly.

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Speaker 5: And he puts a taser into a chest.

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Speaker 14: She falls, sits ahead and dies five days later from

494
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Speaker 14: a frection skull.

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Speaker 5: So, look, there's no win is in any of this.

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Speaker 5: He's been convicted.

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Speaker 14: They apply today the prosecution for for bail to be

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Speaker 14: revoked and they want to cast out your sentence. His barrister,

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Speaker 14: the defendant's barrister, saying, listen, there's no need for custody here.

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Speaker 14: No winners. And for a police officer going in in

501
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Speaker 14: side is going to be very very tough. Indeed, I mean,

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Speaker 14: I think for manslaughter it's up to is it fifteen

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Speaker 14: years in New South Wales.

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Speaker 5: I think so he's.

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Speaker 14: Facing a long time in jail, and I think we're

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Speaker 14: going to find out more about sentencing tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Must you see the story about this murderer who's in

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Speaker 3: jail and she's allowed to undergo IVF.

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Speaker 5: That's right, I mean, we are. It's funny.

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Speaker 14: I was playing golf this morning and you know, with

511
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Speaker 14: a couple of older guys, much older than me, and

512
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Speaker 14: they're saying, oh, the world's changed, you reckon, it has changed.

513
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Speaker 14: And there's outrage in Victoria where this woman convicted.

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Speaker 2: Of murdering a friend.

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Speaker 5: The killer was high on ice.

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Speaker 14: This mother of three was just in the way and

517
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Speaker 14: she was stabbed to death. Well, this woman, Alisia Schiller,

518
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Speaker 14: was jailed for at least sixteen years. That was back

519
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Speaker 14: in twenty seventeen for murder. Now she wants to undergo

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Speaker 14: self funded IVF. And the critics say this is outrageous

521
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Speaker 14: that she's been granted permission to have a child. But

522
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Speaker 14: lawyers for her say, listen, just because you're in jail,

523
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Speaker 14: women do not surrender the right to have a child.

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Speaker 5: Deprivation of liberty, yes, but not you know, surrender of all.

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Speaker 14: Your basic health care rights, you have the same as

526
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Speaker 14: anyone else. So she says, you're going to fund IVF herself.

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Speaker 14: She'll raise the child in jail until the child is

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Speaker 14: five and then hand her off to her own mother,

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Speaker 14: the child's grandmother. Well, I don't think too many people

530
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Speaker 14: are happy about it. I mean, you know, the court

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Speaker 14: has ruled this is fine, So I'm not sure exactly

532
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Speaker 14: where this goes from here. I mean, she has to

533
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Speaker 14: find a donor and get all the bits and pieces,

534
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Speaker 14: all the ducks go, you have to line up. Yeah,

535
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Speaker 14: but there's apparently nothing stopping her having IVY.

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Speaker 3: I've ever heard it's got to be right up there. Yeah, no,

537
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Speaker 3: its absolutely mental. Yeah, the courts have gone nuts. Hey Imus,

538
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Speaker 3: thank you for that. Appreciate it. Murriol's Australia corresponded, How

539
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Speaker 3: mad is that?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 3: What's the court is? The court decided here that the

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Speaker 3: woman's right to have a baby outweighs the right of

543
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Speaker 3: the baby to not be raised in a jail. You psychos. Anyway,

544
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Speaker 3: So here we go. Do you remember when just sindadu

545
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Speaker 3: and stood up there, Oh, don't don't get triggered, Just

546
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Speaker 3: calm your deep breaths, steep breaths. Okay, do you remember

547
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Speaker 3: when she got up at the one pm podium and

548
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Speaker 3: she said that's the single source of troth. And remember

549
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Speaker 3: she did that because it was all this other dust

550
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Speaker 3: and muscin for marsha that was out there, and she

551
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Speaker 3: didn't want us to get She didn't want us to

552
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Speaker 3: believe any of that fungal source of troth. The report

553
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Speaker 3: has said today that was actually quite unhelpful. Well that

554
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Speaker 3: submitsters have said it was unhelpful, and the report has

555
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Speaker 3: repeated that. The report says the phrase was frequently quoted

556
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Speaker 3: in submissions as something that contributed to a sense of

557
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Speaker 3: mistrust to right. Very so in retrospect you're like, what,

558
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Speaker 3: how it was a stupid thing to say? It really was. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: Barry Soaper is going to be with us next and

560
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Speaker 3: talk us through what he thinks of all of this Quarter.

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Speaker 1: Two politics with centrics cre to check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payments.

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Speaker 3: Certaindy Williamson, thank you. Somebody's text through Williamson is out

564
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Speaker 3: for ninety three Bob By Atkinson, Court By Crawley. So

565
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Speaker 3: if you were taking Darcy water Grade's betting advice, you'll

566
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Speaker 3: be regretting that now. It's twelve away from five and

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Speaker 3: Barryso for senior political correspondence with us. How Barry, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of the report?

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Speaker 12: Well, it's fascinating, like you've had in the head, fairly

570
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Speaker 12: well buried in it reading it and gives us a

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Speaker 12: very good you wouldn't say snapshot at seven hundred pages,

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Speaker 12: but a good view of how people felt about the lockdowns,

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Speaker 12: the mandates, and you know they I think the feeling

574
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Speaker 12: was well, I don't think I know that they were

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Speaker 12: too broad and too harsh. That's the mandates and the lockdowns.

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Speaker 12: But it's incredible and you consider the amount of people

577
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Speaker 12: sixteen hundred people were heard from by this Royal commission.

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Speaker 12: They held four hundred meetings up and down the country,

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Speaker 12: thirteen thousand submissions were made, and that just to me

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Speaker 12: shows you how charged the population was. And I remember

581
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Speaker 12: thinking at the time, if you want to know what

582
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Speaker 12: it's like to live in a totalitarian state, New Zealand

583
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Speaker 12: was that, and particularly and I heard you mentioning at Auckland.

584
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Speaker 12: Auckland was lockdown for so long. People were so frustrated

585
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Speaker 12: in this setting. Adurne never once, only once after I

586
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Speaker 12: got back to Wellington, and said, what's your electorate Mount Albert.

587
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Speaker 12: Why don't you go back there and see what your

588
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Speaker 12: constituents feel about this lockdown? They had no idea living

589
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Speaker 12: in Wellington anyway, I won't work so.

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Speaker 3: Up and to finish your sentence, then she came back.

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Speaker 3: Then she did come back the following week, like a

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Speaker 3: matter of hours.

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Speaker 12: Afternoon, a sure afternoon visit and to a factory that

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Speaker 12: was open during the COVID lockdowns, and in fact to

595
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Speaker 12: a Pacific event in the afternoon, went back to Wellington.

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Speaker 12: I'm sorry. That's about the level of commitment that the

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Speaker 12: Prime Minster made as of tonight. Of course, Tony britt

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Speaker 12: Blakely his work is done and he's his Phase two

599
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Speaker 12: of the inquiry will be more specific.

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Speaker 16: The phase two will actually be contrary to what you

601
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Speaker 16: might hear from some people, narrow in as terms of reference,

602
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Speaker 16: which I'm fine about, but just to be clear, and

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Speaker 16: we'll be focusing more on some aspects of vaccine mandates,

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Speaker 16: of lockdowns and the new area of vaccine safety and harm.

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Speaker 10: So that's where they will focus.

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Speaker 4: I've actually got another job I've got.

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Speaker 16: To get back to, and I committed to doing the

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Speaker 16: inquiry as it was initially set up. I don't think

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Speaker 16: the current government particularly wanted me to be around for

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Speaker 16: the Phase two.

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Speaker 12: I really like Tony Blatley. I think he's I think

612
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Speaker 12: to down.

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Speaker 3: I think Tony's been unfairly maligned because he's been painted

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Speaker 3: as some sort of a toady for the Hipkins and

615
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Speaker 3: our doing government, and he never was. We would often

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Speaker 3: actually have a chat to him in his capacity as

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Speaker 3: a critic of what was happening. Yes, yeah, so I

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Speaker 3: feel sorry for the guy. Anyway. Listen on the nurses,

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Speaker 3: Why are so few nurses actually getting jobs?

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Speaker 12: Well, this is fascinating because there was a pool of

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Speaker 12: nurses eight hundred and forty four of the sixteen hundred

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Speaker 12: and nineteen graduate nurses yesterday, only fifty percent of them

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Speaker 12: were placed. Other health providers would have had the opportunity

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Speaker 12: from today to offer jobs to the remaining seven seventy nurses.

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Speaker 12: And yeah, this isn't a time when we're told that

626
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Speaker 12: we're have got such a shortage of nurses, but it

627
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Speaker 12: seems that most of them want to work in hospitals

628
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Speaker 12: and not for age care. And the like incentives of

629
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Speaker 12: up to twenty thousand dollars are now being offered to primary,

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Speaker 12: community and age care people who hire them to get

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Speaker 12: nurses into those jobs. But basically the problem was that

632
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Speaker 12: we opened the immigration gates to foreign nurses and they

633
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Speaker 12: flooded into the country. In fact, it was an amazing

634
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Speaker 12: statistic I read today about it. Around three thousand nurses

635
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Speaker 12: were hard last year, meaning Health New Zealand now employed

636
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Speaker 12: thirty five thousand nurses, which is extraordinarily.

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Speaker 15: Isn't u a number?

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Speaker 12: You've never got enough bough and they've got the lowest

639
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Speaker 12: turnover for some considerable time. And that's the problem. Now,

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Speaker 12: these young graduates who put in three years training to

641
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Speaker 12: become a nurse, graduate expecting obviously because of all the

642
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Speaker 12: publicity surrounding shortages and hospitals, yeah, can't get a job.

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Speaker 3: It's bizarre.

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Speaker 12: It's really hard on them.

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Speaker 3: I think really quickly. I don't have a lot of time.

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Speaker 3: What do you make a Candice Owen's being banned.

647
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Speaker 12: I think it's blatantly ridiculous. I mean, this woman has

648
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Speaker 12: views that a contrary to many of the views that

649
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Speaker 12: were you.

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Speaker 3: Are it's not are we banded? Why the Australians, the Australians.

651
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Speaker 12: The Aussies and I talked to the Free Speech Union

652
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Speaker 12: this afternoon about it. They're going to appeal directly to

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Speaker 12: the Minister Erica Stanford, and I can't for the life

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Speaker 12: of me see Erica Stanford upholding this band from Immigration

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Speaker 12: New Zealand based on what Australia did. And if she did,

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Speaker 12: I'm sorry, Immigration New Zealand. You know, what point is

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Speaker 12: it for them to even be involved in something like this.

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Speaker 3: Because the Aussies made a dumb decision. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: it's it is a dumb decision. Thanks very much, Barry

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Speaker 3: So sing your political correspondence even away from five, putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 7: Breakfast, we have the first bit of the COVID inquiry done.

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Speaker 2: Out going COVID inquiry. She here.

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Speaker 7: Tony Blakeley is back with this.

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Speaker 8: The mandates and the comments you've made about the mandates.

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Speaker 2: Is that a change of mind on your part or not?

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Speaker 17: Ah, it's an evolution.

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Speaker 4: I think we've all learnt a lot.

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Speaker 11: What I will say at this.

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Speaker 17: Point is that mandates are sort of a top shelf thing.

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Speaker 8: You should only really be using them when you absolutely

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Speaker 8: have to. And we've got a lot to say about that.

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Speaker 4: The report, and.

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Speaker 16: I think for a lot of us around the world

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Speaker 16: are learning that those mandates might have.

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Speaker 4: Gone a bit too far for a bit too long.

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Speaker 16: It's a very delicate balance and a future pandemic, which

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Speaker 16: is what we're really focused on now.

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Speaker 18: You can't rule out the need for doing mandatory measures again.

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Speaker 1: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 1: the Rain Drove of the Lawn News.

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Speaker 19: Talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just inder statement that she and her government

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Speaker 3: with a single source of truth just triggers me, Sue,

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Speaker 3: And there's many o's and that so too much. Well,

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Speaker 3: thank you. A lot of things trigger a lot of

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Speaker 3: people about this particular topic. So we're going to try

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Speaker 3: and keep a little bit calm. But we are speaking

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Speaker 3: to Chris Hopkins after the news and we're going to

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Speaker 3: try and keep it keep that calm too, So we'll

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Speaker 3: all try and keep calm to we can get zen together. Okay,

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Speaker 3: before we do it, now, what has happened with Candace

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Speaker 3: Owens is that so you will remember Australia banned Candace Owens.

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Speaker 3: She's the one who is like, no, I hate over

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Speaker 3: using the word because it seems to only apply to

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Speaker 3: one side of the political debate. But she's reasonably controversial

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Speaker 3: in some of her views, I think fair to say anyway,

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Speaker 3: she's been banned from Australia, and Immigration New Zealand have

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Speaker 3: now taken their time but finally decided also to ban

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Speaker 3: her or not give her a visa. And the reason

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Speaker 3: apparently is because that section fifteen of our Immigration Act

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Speaker 3: requires Immigration New Zealand to ban people. If those people,

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Speaker 3: if anybody's been banned from Australia, we've got to ban

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Speaker 3: them too, and there's no discretion. Now the Free Speech

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Speaker 3: Union does not buy this, and so as a result

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Speaker 3: they are thinking about taking some legal action. They're going

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Speaker 3: to be with us after half past five on that.

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Speaker 3: We're going to keep an eye for you on that

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Speaker 3: mob Tonguey that's going on at the moment in a

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Speaker 3: Toe Dunger. I don't know if you've seen it, but

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Speaker 3: they are the mongrel mob bless for the first time

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Speaker 3: in their lives, are actually respecting the new laws. And

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Speaker 3: they've taken all their T shirts off, so not walking

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Speaker 3: around in the muney mob t shirts, which of course

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Speaker 3: means that what you're getting an eye full of is

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Speaker 3: their sexy bodies and are also their mongrel mob tattoos

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Speaker 3: all over them sexy bodies. So anyway, there are downsides,

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Speaker 3: there are downs It turns out there is a downside

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Speaker 3: to the gang patch ban. Anyway, good on them for

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Speaker 3: at least trying. Chippy next.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Dupless the Alum Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and youth talk as.

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Speaker 5: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. The first part of the Royal Commission inquiry

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Speaker 3: into the COVID response has been released and it is

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Speaker 3: critical the Auckland lockdown went on too long, just into Ardurn,

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Speaker 3: referring to themselves as the single source of truth was

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Speaker 3: described as unhelpful by some who submitted, and the vaccine

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Speaker 3: mandates were used too broadly and for too long. Now

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Speaker 3: Chris Hopkins is currently the Labor Leader, was of course

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Speaker 3: the Health Ministry at the time. Chippy, Hello, you had

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Speaker 3: a chance to read some of this.

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Speaker 15: I've only had a chance to read this, you know,

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Speaker 15: the summary report, which is about one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 15: pages long. I will sort of make my way through

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Speaker 15: the full report in Duke course, do you think?

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Speaker 3: So, let me just bring you up to speed with

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Speaker 3: I think what is the most critical part in this report,

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Speaker 3: and this is around the vaccine mandates. They say the

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Speaker 3: vaccine mandates went too far and the vaccine mandates were

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Speaker 3: held too long. Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 15: One of the challenges with a report like this, of course,

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Speaker 15: is that they're drawing on information with the benefit of hindsight.

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Speaker 15: So the issue around whether the vaccine mandates went on

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Speaker 15: too long draws on information that wasn't available to us

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Speaker 15: when we made decisions.

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Speaker 3: No, that's not true. It's information that you did have,

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Speaker 3: and the quoting cabinet papers that you had.

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Speaker 15: Well, I mean, but they're also making conclusions like, for example,

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Speaker 15: the information about whether the transmissibility of omicron versus delta.

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Speaker 15: That information wasn't clear always at the time that we're

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Speaker 15: making those decisions. But actually, an answer to your questions,

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Speaker 15: to be really specific, do I think the vaccine mandates

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Speaker 15: went a bit too wide? Yes, I actually accept that finding.

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Speaker 11: And so yes, and too long?

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Speaker 10: That too long?

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Speaker 2: Too long?

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Speaker 15: I haven't had a chance to read that, Chippy, so

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Speaker 15: I do want to do that before I thought that.

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Speaker 3: You had a cabinet briefing on the twenty second of

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Speaker 3: January twenty two and it said vaccines show reduced effectiveness

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Speaker 3: against the omicron variant compared to delta. So you knew

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Speaker 3: in January twenty two that it wasn't going to work

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Speaker 3: as well and that the mandates weren't going to work

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Speaker 3: as well, and yet you guys kept the mandates in

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Speaker 3: place until September twenty two.

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Speaker 15: Well, but I mean that's only one paragraph or one

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Speaker 15: sentence out of what was quite a long and detailed

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Speaker 15: briefing about me.

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Speaker 3: But you would have read it because it had This

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Speaker 3: had material effect on Kiwi's lives and jobs, right, so

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Speaker 3: you would have been when you were weighing up as

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Speaker 3: the Health Minister whether to recommend the mandates. This would

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Speaker 3: have been fundamental to your decision.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 15: And actually, you know, we're weighing up a whole lot

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Speaker 15: of factors at the time. None of these decisions were

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Speaker 15: easy and none of them were straightforward. Every one of

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Speaker 15: them involved, you know, quite a difficult set of trade offs.

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Speaker 3: So what's and do you know what, Actually, thank you

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Speaker 3: for raising that because I've been trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: what the trade off was right here. You guys are

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Speaker 3: sitting in cabinet. You know the mandates are not going

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Speaker 3: to work now that you've got omicron, and yet you

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Speaker 3: keep them in place.

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Speaker 5: Why.

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Speaker 15: Well, ultimately, we were trying to make sure that ass

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Speaker 15: as you know, COVID nineteen spread in the community. That is,

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Speaker 15: fewer people got critically ill and as fewer people died

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Speaker 15: as possible.

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Speaker 3: But what's the trade off, Chippy? Because it says they

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Speaker 3: say to you, it's not going to work as well,

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Speaker 3: So what why did you keep it?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 15: Right the way through the pandemic response, there were difficult

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Speaker 15: trade offs. I mean if you had to take in

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Speaker 15: the view that you know that there was no price

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Speaker 15: worth paying and to be able to save someone's life.

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Speaker 10: We would have made different decisions all the way along.

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Speaker 15: Much of the information that's available now to look at

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Speaker 15: things in hindsight wasn't. Wasn't information that was as readily available.

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Speaker 3: That's not true. I just quoted you information you had

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Speaker 3: at the time. Chippy listened, you know what I actually

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Speaker 3: think you as the health minister. Oh a lot of

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Speaker 3: people in apology for them losing their jobs, don't you?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, that, like I said, not all of the information

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Speaker 15: was available at the time.

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Speaker 3: You can't use that excuse because I literally just read

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Speaker 3: you something that was a cabinet briefing that you would

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Speaker 3: have read. So do you not think that you owe

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Speaker 3: people in apology?

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Speaker 15: Well, I want to read the report first before I

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Speaker 15: make any decisions about that.

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Speaker 3: So you're going to read before I've read the report.

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Speaker 5: So okay, and I'm being as accessible to you as positive.

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Speaker 3: Come on, I mean, here's the thing. I've never read

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Speaker 3: this cabinet briefing before. I've read it in this report,

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Speaker 3: and it is clear to me you have read this

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Speaker 3: cabinet briefing before you made the decision. This is not

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Speaker 3: news to you. This is stuff you already know, So

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Speaker 3: you should already know whether you owe people in apology

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Speaker 3: or not.

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Speaker 15: You're you're quoting one sentence out of a report that

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Speaker 15: was written three years ago, So I want to read

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Speaker 15: the full report before I make a conclusion on that.

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Speaker 3: If you read the report and you come to the

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Speaker 3: same conclusion as I do, are you going to apologize

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Speaker 3: to all of those Kiwis who lost their jobs because

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Speaker 3: of a decision that you made?

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Speaker 15: Well, as I said, I mean I think that I

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Speaker 15: already accept one of the findings of the report, which

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Speaker 15: was that the Mandates went too far. So I've already

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Speaker 15: said that, but I want to read the full before

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Speaker 15: going any further than Man.

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Speaker 3: Now, listen, where's your mate j Cinda? Is she going

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Speaker 3: to front up about this stuff?

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Speaker 15: I think I haven't spoken to it, so I don't know.

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Speaker 15: You don't have to ask you that question yourself.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we will, Chippy, Thank you, appreciate your time. All right, cheers, Thanks,

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Speaker 3: Chippy really appreciated that. As Chris Hopkins labor leader. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Blundell's but this, by the way, we're talking about the

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Speaker 3: cracket now, just just to change subject, quite a jarring change. Cricket.

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Speaker 3: Blundelle is gone out for seventeen, so the score is

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Speaker 3: now two hundred and forty seven for six. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to get you an update on the water situation with

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Speaker 3: the Arsenic next five to twelve. Heather, my partner is

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Speaker 3: still unemployed because of losing his job from the Mandates

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Speaker 3: due to his age at the time that he lost

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Speaker 3: his job. Thanks. So that's quarter pass and we'll come

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Speaker 3: back to some more texts because there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: texts coming in on this because a lot of people

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Speaker 3: were affected by quarter pass. Now more water testing has

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Speaker 3: been done after elevated levels of arsenic were found in

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Speaker 3: the Wayitkattle River yesterday. This of course affects the water

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Speaker 3: are in Auckland and also in Hamilton water Is the

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Speaker 3: authorities tell us still safe to drink. Arsenic levels are

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Speaker 3: only slightly above the maximum acceptable value and Mark bourne

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Speaker 3: Is water Cares, chief operations officer with us.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey, Mark, Hey, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: The results that you've got today still showing it's safe

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Speaker 3: to drink, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes they are.

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Speaker 18: In fact, we're just about to share some good news

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Speaker 18: but a little bit more widely with the public. We

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Speaker 18: just received today's result and for Auckland the result now

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Speaker 18: is down and back within the allowable limits for the

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Speaker 18: drinking water standards.

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Speaker 3: When did you guys realize the first time that the

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Speaker 3: water levels at the arsenic levels are a little too high?

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Speaker 3: How long has it been like this?

875
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 4: We've got our result on.

876
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 10: The twenty sixth of.

877
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 18: In the afternoon of the twenty sixth, and we immediately

878
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 18: communicated that result with Tamata Roi and then in the

879
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 18: following morning, once we're validated that result, we then got

880
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 18: straight on the telephone to talk to the other users

881
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 18: up and down the river to see where anyone else

882
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 18: was experiencing the similar results that we were getting, and

883
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 18: at that point we're able to confirm that there are

884
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 18: other parties seeing these very unusual results.

885
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: Okay, so you found out afternoon of Tuesday, you told

886
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: everybody else Wednesday morning, that's yesterday morning. When did you

887
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: tell us?

888
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 5: There?

889
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 18: Was very important. Once we identified that there were a

890
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 18: number of agencies seeing those things, we thought it was

891
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 18: very important that a coordinated and concise message went out

892
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 18: to the public. We really didn't want to confuse people

893
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 18: by different people saying different things, so we thought it

894
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 18: was very important that a coordinator result that came out.

895
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 18: So it was yesterday evening when a release was made

896
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 18: publicly available and we were able to update our website

897
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 18: with all the relevant information.

898
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: Mark, did you do it because the rumors were already

899
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 3: out on social media that there was arsenic.

900
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 10: In the water.

901
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 18: I'm not aware of any rumors that were our but no,

902
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 18: we did it as soon as we're able to. As

903
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 18: I said, it's really important to have a concise and

904
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 18: coordinator response because we really wanted to eliminate that confusion.

905
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 18: That might be out there if everyone's talking differently.

906
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon it's slightly problematic. Don't you think it's

907
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: slightly problematic that we didn't know from you guys when

908
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: you guys had known for what it seems like a

909
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: day and a half.

910
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 18: No, I don't think that's the case at all. I

911
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 18: think it's really important to remember that there was never

912
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 18: any acute public auth risk. I think we can take

913
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 18: reassurance by the guidance provided by both the Water Service

914
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 18: Authority and National Public Health Service.

915
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: I'll tell you because you obviously didn't know what was

916
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: going on on social media yesterday, but I was getting

917
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 3: texts from people asking me what's up with the rumors

918
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: about arsenic in the water that was coming through at

919
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: five o'clock in the afternoon, two hours and two and

920
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 3: a half hours before you went public with it. Somebody

921
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: went on social media and said that her stepmum's boss

922
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: was telling them that there's arsenic in the water somebody

923
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: else's I don't know, auntie or something. The rumors had

924
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 3: spread so widely that some super m it's already selling

925
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: out of water hours before you even went public with it.

926
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Speaker 18: As I say, I really can't comment on things I

927
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Speaker 18: don't know about.

928
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Speaker 5: No, No, I didn't. It wasn't aware.

929
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Speaker 18: I mean, my responsibility clearly is as chief operations officer

930
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 18: to do my diligent best to ensure the water remains

931
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Speaker 18: safe to drink for.

932
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Speaker 3: Aucklander's Okay, have you figured out what caused it?

933
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Speaker 2: No, we haven't.

934
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 18: We're working very very closely out to say, with all

935
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Speaker 18: the agencies involved, and in particular with the Waikato Regional Council.

936
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Speaker 18: They are undertaking a range of test results today up

937
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 18: and down the river. We've been able to share our

938
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Speaker 18: results with the other agencies further up the river and

939
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 18: that'll help identify where, when and what might be causing this.

940
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: All right, Hey, thanks very much, Mark appreciated. Mike Bourn,

941
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: Chief Operations Officer at Water Care.

942
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Speaker 4: Ever du for se l A nineteen five five.

943
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Speaker 3: Now listen quickly on what happened. What's happening this weekend

944
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: with Labor. Now, Labour is going to vote. The Labor

945
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: Party members are going to vote whether they're going to

946
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: ban captain's calls. Most recent captain's call was Chris Hopkins

947
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: last year as the Labor Party leader and Prime Minister

948
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: going into the election when he decided to rule out

949
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 3: the Welsh tax that David Parker was so keen on.

950
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 3: Former Labor Minister Stuart Nash is with us on the say, stute,

951
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: how are you, Heather? I'm very well, thank you? Do

952
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: you reckon you ban the Captain's call or no?

953
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 8: Absolutely not rich interesting to do. Well, keep in your

954
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 8: mind that the Prime Minister or the leader of the

955
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 8: opposition probably has more staff and a more macro outlook

956
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 8: on what's tappening over the general economy from a political

957
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 8: spectrum than anyone else. You've got to empower your leaders

958
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 8: to be able to make calls that he or she

959
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 8: thinks are in the best centrists of both the party

960
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 8: and the country.

961
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: I mean, this is one region putting it up right,

962
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: So it's Region one Auckland and Northland. It's probably going

963
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: to get voted down, isn't it, because it hasn't got

964
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: the support of I doubt it's going to have the

965
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 3: support of the MPs, hasn't got the support of the

966
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: Policy Council's an idea going nowhere, isn't it.

967
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 8: Well, it's really good. The concentrating on the just is

968
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 8: that are important, like healthcare, economic development, and in all

969
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 8: these other things and cost of living. But I think

970
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 8: I'll probably get voted down because of going why are

971
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 8: we you disempower the leader of your party to make

972
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 8: a call that he or she thinks is in the

973
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 8: best of the party. And keeping in mind, you know,

974
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 8: the prime minister or the lead of the opposition, they

975
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 8: often lived and died by the Captain schools. If they

976
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 8: make a good one, then fantastic. They make a bad one,

977
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 8: then you know, they're often in a lot of trouble.

978
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 8: So these things aren't made in isolation. They're usually done

979
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 8: with a lot of consultation with key advisors anyway, but

980
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 8: certainly with the lead of believing that they're making the

981
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 8: best call for the party.

982
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 5: Are have you?

983
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 3: Have you had a chance to read this COVID inquiry?

984
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: Are you going to come out of it looking okay?

985
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 20: Not yet?

986
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 8: But I heard your trippy on your Arseolf.

987
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: Jesus A lot of things that just came out of

988
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 3: your mouth. It might get me in trouble, but the

989
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: thing is here that is you know.

990
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 8: I mean, obviously I was around the cabinet table the

991
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 8: whole time that COVID the COVID response was in play.

992
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 8: You know everyone is wise in hindsight. We were a

993
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 8: cabinet that was faced with a whole lot of really

994
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 8: difficult decisions to make in a pandemic where there were

995
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 8: no rules. And sure, at hindsight we knew, you know,

996
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 8: we discussed this, We knew that there were things that

997
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 8: in mihndset you probably do differently. But do you know

998
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 8: anyone who died of COVID?

999
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 4: You don't?

1000
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh it wasn't in New Zealand?

1001
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 4: Is it?

1002
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: This is important that it's a New Zealand.

1003
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, I know so. I remember I was in

1004
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 8: my classom during all that time, of course, and he said,

1005
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 8: you should be doing what Stockholm did, You should leave

1006
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 8: the economy open. Well, if we've done the same as

1007
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 8: Stockholmer done or Sweden it done, then then there would

1008
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 8: have been about five thousand people.

1009
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: Hang on, hang on, hang on, before you start going

1010
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: down this path, Stewart Nash, how many Okay, have you

1011
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 3: had a look at Stockholm's Have you looked at Sweden's

1012
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 3: COVID debts in comparison to ours?

1013
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 8: I was looking at them. Mind, Now we did a

1014
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 8: really good people people have very short memories.

1015
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 3: No, no, But now I'm asking this because I'm going

1016
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: to tell you something. Do you realize that we have

1017
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: caught up to the global average on COVID debts. We

1018
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 3: haven't saved anybody that weren't going to die?

1019
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 8: Oh of course we have no Back then, we didn't

1020
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 8: know what the hell was going on.

1021
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: Now give me this disinformation and misinformation.

1022
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 8: Don't you expread disinformation here?

1023
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: I'm giving you actual data. Hey, listen, ste thanks very much.

1024
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: Ed appreciated that. Stuart Nash, former Labor Minister. I'll talk

1025
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 3: you through those figures if I get a chance at

1026
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: some stage. Five twenty two.

1027
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 4: It's the name you trust to get the answers you need.

1028
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: Here the duple c Allen drive with one New Zealand

1029
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: let's get connected and news talk because they'd be okay.

1030
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: Five twenty five. Listen, what I'm about to tell you

1031
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: is not flattering to me, but I'm going to tell

1032
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: you this anyway. And even though I come out of

1033
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 3: this looking dumb. Last night we spoke to the water

1034
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: authority guys, right, one of the water safety guys about

1035
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 3: the arsenic and the water in Auckland and Hamilton. And

1036
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: immediately afterwards I jumped in the car after work and

1037
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: I went to the supermarket and I went to buy

1038
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 3: some water, and I did that even though Steve Taylor,

1039
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: the water safety guy, told me it was completely safe

1040
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 3: to drink the water in Auckland, I still went and

1041
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: bought some water from the supermarket. And while I was

1042
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: buying the supermarket water, I was hoping nobody noticed that

1043
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: I was doing it, and I was interrogating. I was embarrassed,

1044
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: and I was interrogating myself about why I was doing

1045
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 3: this irrational thing. And the reason I was telling myself

1046
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: was because I'm pregnant and I have to take care

1047
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: of what I put in my mouth, obviously, But the

1048
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 3: truth is, I knew that wasn't the truth. The truth is,

1049
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: really I don't trust authorities anymore like I used to

1050
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: a few years ago, and even if they tell me

1051
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: that's something safe, I'm not entirely sure that I believe them.

1052
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 3: So I'm going to take matter into my own hands.

1053
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: And part of the reason why I did that yesterday

1054
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: was because I already I knew that these guys had

1055
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 3: sat on this information for a little while yesterday, because

1056
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 3: we were actually chasing them for quite a bit yesterday

1057
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: afternoon to try to get them on the show, and

1058
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 3: now we find out from water Care they actually knew

1059
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: that there was arsenic in the water on Tuesday afternoon,

1060
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: and they didn't tell us until Thursday or Wednesday. Wednesday

1061
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: night seven forty twenty to eight is the first time

1062
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: that water Care went public with it. The water Safety

1063
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 3: Guy's went slightly earlier, so a day and a half

1064
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: they sat on it before they went to the public.

1065
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: We actually found out from social media because someone's stepmum's

1066
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: boss reckoned that there was too much arsenic in the water. Now,

1067
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: I think that's a really bad way to find out

1068
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: that something's up that might be slightly alarming, to find

1069
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: out on social media through rumors and people texting each

1070
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: other trying to find out and supermarket shelves being cleared

1071
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 3: of water. I think authorities undermine a lot of trust

1072
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: when they sit on information that they should get out

1073
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: there as soon as public, as soon as they possibly can.

1074
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 3: And part of the reason I think that we are

1075
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: susceptible now to being really picky with authorities is because

1076
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: we lost a lot of trust and authorities during COVID.

1077
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of us packed holes and what

1078
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: they were saying found out they were telling FIBs, FIBs

1079
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: about people, the women going to Northland, fibbs about Charlotte Ballas,

1080
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: fibbs about the KFC worker with holding information, holding lockdowns

1081
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: longer than they needed to. And it's ironic that I'm

1082
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: telling you the story on the day that the COVID

1083
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 3: report lands and vindicates a lot of what we were

1084
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 3: concerned about and says Na, actually, you guys were right.

1085
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 3: They did actually know things and they didn't act on them. Anyway,

1086
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you this because I'm advocating for you

1087
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 3: to ignore authorities at all. I'm telling you this so

1088
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: that you understand perhaps why you might be feeling same

1089
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: as me, maybe doing some irrational things like going out

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Speaker 3: and buying water. And I'm also telling you this that

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Speaker 3: their authorities understand the level of ground that they have

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Speaker 3: to make up with us to earn our trust back.

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Speaker 3: And what Water Care and the water authorities did yesterday

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Speaker 3: that's not helpful.

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Speaker 4: Heather Dupersy allen whether.

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Speaker 3: The biggest mistake of the government's COVID response was that

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Speaker 3: they flatly refused to adjust as the science evolved. Essentially,

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Speaker 3: they continued with their fear tactics for a full three years.

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Speaker 3: That's from Greg Hither. It's not hindsight when people were

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Speaker 3: telling them it was wrong at the time. They're arrogant.

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Speaker 3: Then they're arrogant now. Richard says, that's why I drink beer,

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Speaker 3: presumably to avoid the arsenic. Hey, we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: next to the Free Speech Union about suing over Candice Owens.

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Speaker 4: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

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Speaker 4: your car on your drive home.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Allen drive with One New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 1: connected and.

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Speaker 4: News talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 19: Donald t me are the dover started?

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Speaker 3: Wis whether I boil my water and filter it through

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Speaker 3: my coffee off? I thought you were telling me that

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Speaker 3: you boil your water to reduce the arsenic And I

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Speaker 3: was going to say, that's actually not a good idea

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Speaker 3: because if you google it, and the single source of

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Speaker 3: truth Google, obviously you'll find that, in fact, it increases

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Speaker 3: the concentration of the arsenic. So that's a bummer of

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Speaker 3: an idea. But at least you checking the coffee in

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Speaker 3: and the coffee definitely fixes everything. Hey, Solar zero, that's

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Speaker 3: been a really fascinating thing to watch play out just

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Speaker 3: the last day or so. Obviously in liquidation. Weird that

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Speaker 3: Solar zero has fallen over because it appeared that they

1122
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Speaker 3: had actually quite a lot of money potentially available to them.

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Speaker 3: They had a credit line about one hundred and ninety

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Speaker 3: five million dollars. There was a loan from the government

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Speaker 3: available to them of one hundred and forty five million dollars.

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Speaker 3: They're owned by black Rock, which is a multi trillion

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Speaker 3: dollar company investment outfit in the US, so it's all

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Speaker 3: a little bit strange. Anyway. Mike is an employee of

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Speaker 3: Solar zero as of like two days ago. He is organizing,

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Speaker 3: by the looks of thing, protest outside back Rocks offices

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Speaker 3: the next few days. He's going to be with us

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Speaker 3: after six o'clock to talk us through it. Right now,

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Speaker 3: it's twenty two away from six du so, as we've discussed,

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Speaker 3: immigration has banned controversial American commentator Candace Owens from doing

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Speaker 3: her plans speaking tour in this country. Their reasoning is

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Speaker 3: because she has been banned by Australia, they have to

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Speaker 3: ban her from here as well. The Free Speech Union

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Speaker 3: doesn't buy that, and the boss, Jonathan Ailing, is with

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Speaker 3: us now.

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Speaker 19: Hey, Jonathan, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: They say they've got no discretion. Do you not buy that?

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Speaker 4: Look?

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Speaker 19: Section fifteen of the Immigration Act does require them to

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Speaker 19: exclude them, but that's if Candice Owens has committed a

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Speaker 19: crime of imprisonment of up to five years or has

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Speaker 19: been deported from the country or something like that. That

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Speaker 19: does apply. Whatsoever here she applied for a visa, wasn't

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Speaker 19: given it in Australia.

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Speaker 3: Let me just get this right. So you're saying the

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Speaker 3: only point at which we have to ban somebody that

1151
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Speaker 3: Australia has banned is if they've committed a serious crime

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Speaker 3: or been deported.

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Speaker 19: There's a couple of technical definitions there, and so that's

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Speaker 19: what our legal team is getting into. And the conclusion

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Speaker 19: that they've come up with is that this threshold has

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Speaker 19: not been met here. And really Immigration New Zealanders looking

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Speaker 19: for a reason to be able to say it's out

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Speaker 19: of our hands, we can't do anything about it. In reality,

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Speaker 19: they absolutely can.

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Speaker 3: So are you serious about your legal action?

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Speaker 19: The more we look at this, the more we look

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Speaker 19: like the Crown Immigration New Zealand here has acted unlawfully.

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Speaker 19: And yes, we've definitely taken.

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Speaker 8: Them to court.

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Speaker 19: We're going to appeal to the Immigration Minister first though,

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Speaker 19: and the Associate Immigration Minister, Chris Pink is the one

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Speaker 19: who deals with the pel cases like that. For the

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Speaker 19: most part, I think Chris Pink has a clear head

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Speaker 19: on him and I think he's a strong pre speech advocate.

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Speaker 19: I hope you see sense on this one.

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Speaker 3: Is are you able to appeal to him on Candace

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Speaker 3: Owen's behalf or does Candace Owens have to do the appeal.

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Speaker 19: We're working with her people in Australia right now where

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Speaker 19: in communications, and that's what we're hoping to do before

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Speaker 19: the end of the week. Otherwise next week let's see

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Speaker 19: them in the High Court. I mean, I think the

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Speaker 19: standard that's been set here is just incredible. If the

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Speaker 19: Iranians don't like someone rushdie, do we now have to

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Speaker 19: shut him out as well? I mean, at what point

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Speaker 19: do we get to make these decisions for ourselves, especially

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Speaker 19: considering we know the very essence of the reason the

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Speaker 19: decision was made in Australia by her was because they

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Speaker 19: said we don't like her opinions. I just think it's

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Speaker 19: patently a terrible path to go down where governments and

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Speaker 19: even worse government officials get to choose what opinions we

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Speaker 19: get to hear.

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Speaker 3: Are you doing this because you, Jonathan, really are desperate

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Speaker 3: to go along to her event or is it because

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Speaker 3: of the principle of free speech.

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Speaker 19: I'm really glad you asked that, Heather, because while others

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Speaker 19: may not like me saying this, I have very little

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Speaker 19: time for Candice Ows. I don't find her particularly compelling,

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Speaker 19: and the fourth she's gone on, the more distasteful she's gone.

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Speaker 19: And I didn't think she was all that that sharp

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Speaker 19: to start with, and it's gone. We'll got on worse

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Speaker 19: from there. This is absolutely the principle that eventually someone

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Speaker 19: who I do really respect, who I do think is

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Speaker 19: really insightful, eventually a government at some point in the

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Speaker 19: future will want to lock them out as well. And

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Speaker 19: I need to have stood on the principal grounds now

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Speaker 19: in order to be able to call it out then

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Speaker 19: as well.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan, thanks for talking to us through it to appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Ailing, the boss of the Free Speech Union.

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Speaker 3: former boss of the Business New Zealand and Richard Hill's

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Speaker 3: Auckland councilor hello you two here you are Phil very well,

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Speaker 3: thank you Phil. What do you reckon my chances of

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Speaker 3: getting an apology out of Chippya?

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Speaker 17: I think about this this afternoon. I think the answers

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Speaker 17: are the answer is zero or less. But I think

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Speaker 17: and I hope that he and others in the government

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Speaker 17: reflect on what the Royal Commission has said today. Was

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Speaker 17: their Royal Commission, they set it up, they gave it

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Speaker 17: the terms of reference, so I hope they reflect on

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Speaker 17: it and give us a little bit more than the

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Speaker 17: statement that it was interesting or useful. I think you

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Speaker 17: said this afternoon, and he hasn't had a chance to

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Speaker 17: read the reports so all by that. But I hope

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Speaker 17: that they will reflect because I think a lot what

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Speaker 17: this report's about is healing. We need to heal the

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Speaker 17: divisions that have gone on in our society. We need

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Speaker 17: to move back to some sort of consensus on this medicine.

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Speaker 17: Sort of cohesion and some reflection from those who are

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Speaker 17: in charge at the time I think will be an

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Speaker 17: important part of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon, Richard?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I haven't had a chance to read

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Speaker 6: or seven hundred pages.

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Speaker 3: Just have you not just come from what have you

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Speaker 3: been doing with your day?

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Speaker 6: That's all meetings. But yeah, reading the high level stuff,

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Speaker 6: it does point to things did go too far in

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Speaker 6: the end. I think it's clear that, you know, the

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Speaker 6: inquiry is saying that with the information they had and

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Speaker 6: the unknowns, you know, coming through twenty twenty twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 6: they were doing the best thing they possibly could. And

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Speaker 6: if you remember back then, everyone was demanding.

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Speaker 3: More and more and more.

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Speaker 6: I remember the ridiculousness around the border of from media,

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Speaker 6: from people on the street, from opposition parties. At the time,

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Speaker 6: everyone was kind of like do everything to protect and

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Speaker 6: then the public mood switched what felt like quite quickly,

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Speaker 6: but the government did not catch up with that sentiment,

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Speaker 6: especially with the how long the Auckland lockdown went and

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Speaker 6: also those mandates, like why did they have to continue

1249
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Speaker 6: into twenty twenty two with omichron would delta? The vaccine

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Speaker 6: was actually really dampening that off, and then omnichron took off.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think we will look back at the

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Speaker 6: good things that they saved a lot of people if

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Speaker 6: you look around the world, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: hurt out there, clearly as seen through this commission.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Phil. You know, look, every one of

1256
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Speaker 3: us knows, right, you never make it through through life,

1257
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Speaker 3: or through a major project, or through anything really without

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Speaker 3: stuffing something up and needing to apologize to somebody for it.

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Speaker 3: And it wouldn't be the end. It would actually be

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Speaker 3: quite a good thing for them to say sorry to

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Speaker 3: people who are the most affected here.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I think so, particularly given or they sent me

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Speaker 17: the reflection. I think, I mean just this point, they

1264
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Speaker 17: made decisions, but to reflect on it, to say what

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Speaker 17: they would have done differently, and perhaps to accept some

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Speaker 17: of the criticisms of the Royal Commission, because the point

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Speaker 17: that Richard makes is, you know, they did the best

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Speaker 17: they can. Well, look at the damage that was caused,

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Speaker 17: not just the damage to those who couldn't come home

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Speaker 17: to New Zealand, but the damage done to a generation

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Speaker 17: of you young people, mental health dam, damage in terms

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Speaker 17: of educational achievement, and damage to social cohesion, which the

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Speaker 17: Commission points out. I mean, the chances of us actually

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Speaker 17: agreeing as a country to go into another lockdown, I

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Speaker 17: think just basically zero. That's the damage that was done.

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Speaker 17: And I think that requires sensible reflection, because I think

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Speaker 17: that's the way if they're going to go, well, nothing

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Speaker 17: to see here, move on. I don't think that's going

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Speaker 17: to let people overcome the anger that they feel and

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Speaker 17: let them move on to say, Okay, well I'll live

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Speaker 17: with what happens in the future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Richard, have you changed your mind about the fact.

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Speaker 3: Have you at any point asked yourself whether the lockdowns

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Speaker 3: and the closed border was the right thing to do.

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Speaker 6: At the very beginning?

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Speaker 3: No, now, like in retrospect, have you ever sat down

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Speaker 3: and thought, hmm, I wonder if that was the right

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Speaker 3: thing to do, if we should have done to Sweden.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's hard to like for me to say what

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Speaker 6: would have been the case, because you do look at

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Speaker 6: I mean, you go to American people are still wearing

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Speaker 6: masks and things because they all know people overseas who

1293
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Speaker 6: lost family members on both sides of the couple through

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Speaker 6: So we didn't get that experience here, and it is

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Speaker 6: hard to it's hard to know what it would have

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Speaker 6: been like to lose tons of people and what you phil.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever interrogated whether it was the right actually fundamentally,

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Speaker 3: whether that whole approach was the right approach I have.

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Speaker 17: And you look at you look at what happened with

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Speaker 17: Sweden and some of those who took a more if

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Speaker 17: you're like a more kind of trusting approach to their citizens,

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Speaker 17: you'll look at the long run impact on those those

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Speaker 17: societies and those economies, the health of their children, the

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Speaker 17: health of their old people, and so on. You've got

1305
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 17: to argue, in hindsight, maybe they had at least as

1306
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Speaker 17: right as we did. Take that aside, though, New Zealand

1307
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 17: is an island and it's always always an easy thing

1308
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 17: for an honor just to close its borders. Particularly the

1309
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 17: first few weeks, I think that was logical because we

1310
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 17: just didn't know. Remember that we didn't We didn't know

1311
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 17: what was going on here. People appeared to be dying,

1312
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 17: there was there was an awful lot of stuff going

1313
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 17: on in the press, so it probably was. But I think,

1314
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 17: you know, a more trusting view of New Zealanders. We

1315
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 17: can be trusted, We're not crazy, but people. And I

1316
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 17: think that kind of more more balanced approach what have

1317
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 17: actually seen us through. And I hope now that now

1318
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 17: we see the long run costs to it, to our

1319
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,959
Speaker 17: society and to particularly young people. I hope that policymakers

1320
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Speaker 17: will make some slightly different decisions. Ever that happens again, right, yes.

1321
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Speaker 6: Richard God I think if the twenty twenty one lockdown

1322
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 6: didn't happen, we'd probably look at it very differently, because

1323
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 6: you did look around the world, and I talked to

1324
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 6: friends in Australia, America, the UK. They were locked down

1325
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 6: and couldn't enter restaurants and couldn't have concerts while we

1326
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 6: were out for the whole of twenty twenty almost doing stuff.

1327
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 6: So at that time it seemed exacting.

1328
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 3: The mood kept up, everything.

1329
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 6: Shifted and then overseas shifted and we were all alone

1330
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Speaker 6: worth And.

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00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: Now we're pavo, aren't we? Because of what we did,

1332
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 3: aren't we?

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00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 6: Richard Lebrun's a little povo.

1334
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 3: But well we're more pavo than the rest of them,

1335
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: aren't we. Okay, we'll take a break. Fourteen away from

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Speaker 3: six the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: We're New Zealand Southby's International Realty elevate the marketing of

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01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: your home.

1339
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Speaker 3: Right, you're back with a huddle for Loow Riley and

1340
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 3: Richard Hill's Richard, do you like the fake meat? Because

1341
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 3: you've got another business that's gone under two of them

1342
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 3: this year in New Zealand. What's the problem? Are we

1343
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: not getting into the fake meat?

1344
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 6: I don't eat a lot of read meat anyway, but

1345
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 6: I don't. I'm not a fan of the fake meat.

1346
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 6: But I know a lot of people do like it.

1347
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 6: There's the one in the commercial bay, which seems kind

1348
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 6: of popular.

1349
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 3: So have you got friends who eat fake meat?

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Speaker 6: Not friends? But you don't know.

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01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 3: Nobody has friends who eat fake meat. I don't have

1352
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 3: any friends who eat fake meat.

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Speaker 14: Do you know?

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Speaker 17: I have very few friends fake meat. Fake meat for

1355
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 17: me is about as pleasant as bicycling.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 17: I look forward to fake meat as much as I

1358
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 17: look forward to bicycling, and for the same reason, it's

1359
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 17: uncomfortably healthy. But you know the so I know, I don't.

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Speaker 17: I don't need it. Having said that, fake meat, this

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Speaker 17: kind of this digital meat, whatever they're calling it, we'll

1362
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 17: have a place. I mean, you'll see these startups come

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01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 17: and go as they move into this new world. But

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01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 17: a little churn up somewhere. I might turn up and

1365
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 17: in food that you can't taste it or something. There

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01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 17: be some there be some breakthrough for it.

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Speaker 3: Phil, what's the point it's just checkpeas if you need

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01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 3: it to turn up in your food somewhere. Did you

1369
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 3: check some chickpeas?

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01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 17: Not precisely right, I mean I don't. That's why I

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01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 17: don't need it. No, I don't particularly like it. But

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Speaker 17: you know, it's it's it'll have a place somewhere and

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01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 17: it's likely to actually disrupt red meat production at some

1374
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 17: stage in the future, if not now, then it's sometimes.

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01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 17: So we do need to prepare for it in New Zealand.

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01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 17: And the way to do that, of course, is to

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01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 17: make sure that our beautiful bloody steaks are the best

1378
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 17: in the world so that people like you and I

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01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 17: can have.

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Speaker 4: I not have we not?

1381
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 3: Are we not providing enough evidence for you right now

1382
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 3: that they will never disrupt red meat because all the

1383
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 3: businesses that have tried to make fake meat are.

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01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 17: Struggling well only in New Zealand, in the UK as well.

1385
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 6: The US is I think found it was about twenty

1386
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 6: percent growth each year and then it stopped.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, it'll be a niche for it somewhere.

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01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 17: I mean, that's that's the reality of it, because just

1389
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 17: as there will be.

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Speaker 3: For it'll be like it like it'll be like the

1391
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 3: fond sets like there are still peoples with fondu sets?

1392
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Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? But most of us

1393
01:01:59,280 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 3: don't you dear?

1394
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 17: Could his wife let people have?

1395
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 6: They let people choose?

1396
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 3: I just call them out a fad. Hey, did you

1397
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Speaker 3: go buy some water today, Richard?

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01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 6: No, there is nothing wrong with our water. I drank

1399
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Speaker 6: it last night, I drank it this morning. I drank

1400
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 6: it right now in front of you. But yeah, there

1401
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 6: is a slightly elevated level.

1402
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: Of But how do you feel about the fact that

1403
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 3: water can you on Tuesday and didn't tell us until

1404
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 3: Wednesday night?

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01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 6: I think they knew about the river and then they

1406
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 6: wanted to test our watersplane. That's the way it happened.

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01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 6: So that's the way they told you.

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01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 3: But how do you feel about me finding out it

1409
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: on social media?

1410
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 5: First?

1411
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 3: From somebody's stepmum's boss.

1412
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 6: What did you want them to ring you?

1413
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 3: I wanted them to put out a press release?

1414
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 6: Oh, I think that's where I heard it from.

1415
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously you didn't find out first from the rumors. Well,

1416
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 3: I think I think if authorities know something, they should

1417
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 3: make haste to let people know as soon as possible,

1418
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 3: or they undermine credibility. Wind comes out on social media.

1419
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 17: Of course they did, because then they'll be chasing their

1420
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 17: tails because some person with a tin hat will say

1421
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 17: it's terrible and we're all about to die, and water

1422
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 17: Auckland Water will say, oh no, that's not true. So

1423
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 17: you're always chasing your tail. But here this is yet

1424
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 17: another indication that the safest thing of all to drink

1425
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 17: is of course beer. You should be thinking about on

1426
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 17: that terms, you know, and getting it out to people

1427
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 17: health product.

1428
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 3: Now you say beer and I know what you're actually

1429
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 3: drinking is a good root buyer, isn't it.

1430
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 17: It's a little to it's the second option, you know,

1431
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 17: Usnik there, I can see so no, but I think

1432
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 17: you're idea that it is. It's the point that officials

1433
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 17: get out there and say say something at least always

1434
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 17: crazy people will say crazy things, and they'll be they'll

1435
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 17: be chasing the totally.

1436
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 8: They did.

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01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 6: They did put it out straight away without an announcement

1438
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 6: because of probably they didn't want to announce it.

1439
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 3: And they're not Richard Richard, No, they didn't. They were

1440
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: just on the radio with us before and they said

1441
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 3: they didn't put it out straight away. But that's what

1442
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 3: stop telling now everybody's going to make it. It's going

1443
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 3: to cover for them because I.

1444
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 6: Just want people to go to the water key website

1445
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 6: to check about the water, because.

1446
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 3: People go to Waterkere website and they might tell you

1447
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 3: in twelve days.

1448
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 6: People are the found out today gared and the water's fine.

1449
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Richard. You want to scare people, you

1450
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 3: can either listen to Richard or you could do what

1451
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 3: Phil said and just drink. You be a guys, Thanks

1452
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 3: very much, Fell and Richard. Seven away from six.

1453
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 4: Red or Blue?

1454
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: Trump or Harris? Who will win the battleground states? The

1455
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: latest on the US election. It's Heather Duplicy Alan Drive

1456
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected use talks'd be.

1457
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 3: Hey, just a reminder. Five away from six, we're going

1458
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 3: to have a chat to Mike, who's a former employee

1459
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 3: at Solar zero. Might be able to shed some light

1460
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 3: on what's gone wrong for that business and exactly why

1461
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 3: they're going to be doing their protest. I yesterday, yesterday,

1462
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 3: by the way, I've got a text, a text from

1463
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 3: somebody called Max asking for the daily update please on

1464
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 3: what's been going on with the gangs. And I said Tom,

1465
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 3: the police don't put out an update every day on

1466
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 3: the gang patches. And that was an absolute lie from me.

1467
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 3: And unlike Chris Hopkins, I can say I'm sorry when

1468
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 3: I tell her lie. So I'm sorry I told a lie.

1469
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: I've got the update for you. So this is what

1470
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 3: happened yesterday, yesterday, because we love it, we love the

1471
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 3: we love the gangs getting their come up. And yesterday

1472
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 3: in Auckland, the coppers were called to the Panmeer bus

1473
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 3: and Pamel bus and railway station around nine thirty in

1474
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: the morning and there was a chap there wearing a

1475
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 3: head Hunter supporter's sweatshirt and T shirt. And you know what,

1476
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 3: good on the people who called that into the police.

1477
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 3: If you see the Headhunter's patch out there, call the coppers.

1478
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 3: And so they turned up and he's going to court.

1479
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 3: In the White Cuttle on Gray Street in Hamilton, a

1480
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 3: chap who was wearing gang insignia stole some items allegedly

1481
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 3: before fleeing in a vehicle. Someone called that in and

1482
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 3: the cops arrested him and he's facing charges. Then in

1483
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 3: the Bay of Plenty at nine thirty in the morning,

1484
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 3: the police themselves saw somebody wearing a mongrel mob red

1485
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 3: hat with the gang insignia on it while in a

1486
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 3: shopping center on Brooklyn Brookfield Lane and Toadunger. So they

1487
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: went and had a little chat to him and guess

1488
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 3: what he also had with them? Apart from the hat,

1489
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 3: he had an offensive weapon and some drug utensils, So

1490
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 3: he will face charges. Then they did a couple of

1491
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 3: vehicle stops and they found a couple of blokes wearing

1492
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 3: gang patches and they will also face charges. And in total,

1493
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 3: thus far, in the first seven days, the cops have

1494
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 3: laid thirty four charges and see sixty two items of

1495
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 3: gang insignia, and they've taken sixteen patches. And they've also

1496
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 3: found some other stuff that they shouldn't have had on

1497
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 3: their body, like weapons and I don't know, you know,

1498
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 3: pea pipes whatever. So at this stage I'm thinking, I

1499
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 3: don't hate this. How do you feel?

1500
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 4: Quite like her?

1501
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 3: I quite like what they're up to. By the way,

1502
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 3: if you haven't caught up on the school that's decided

1503
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 3: to just call it a year for year thirteen, I'll

1504
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 3: tell you about that shortly. News talks EB.

1505
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 4: Damn summer, what's up? What's down?

1506
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: What were the major calls and how will it affect

1507
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: the economy of the big business? Questions on the business

1508
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: hours with hither Duplicy Allen and my Hr on News talksb.

1509
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, Sem Dickie's

1510
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 3: going to talk us through how the big retailers are

1511
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 3: doing a black Friday. Just around the corner tomorrow. Obviously,

1512
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 3: Liam Dan is going to take a look at whether

1513
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 3: the big banks are actually passing on the full ocr

1514
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 3: cup from yesterday. What was the head off to the UK?

1515
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 3: It's coming up eight past six now. Former staff of

1516
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 3: solar panel subscription business Solar zero are planning to protest

1517
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 3: outside the multinational investment company company black Rocks office Auckland

1518
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 3: Office tomorrow after black Rock unexpectedly put Solar zero into liquidation. Now,

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01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, a fund managed by black Rock became

1520
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 3: Solar Zero's sole shareholder, and earlier this week Blackrock then

1521
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 3: made the decision to liquidate the business. Mike is an

1522
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 3: ex employee of Solar Zero.

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01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 11: Hey Mike, Hi, Heather, how are you?

1524
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 3: And well thanks mate? What are you guys going to

1525
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 3: be protesting?

1526
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 7: Look?

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Speaker 21: I think Heather, there's a sort of the main theme

1528
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 21: we want to try and get across. As you know,

1529
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 21: we were made redundant four pm on Tuesday. No redundancy,

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01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 21: no notice periods, no holiday pay. We have a significant

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01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 21: number of our star that live week by week. We've

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01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 21: got a number of work permit holders. The desperation and

1533
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 21: the frustration from these guys is just it's so heartbreaking.

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Speaker 11: It's not funny.

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Speaker 21: You know, You've got an eleven trillion dollar company, foreign

1536
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 21: investor which we're trying to attract establish themselves in New

1537
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 21: Zealand this year, the setup offices beginning of the year,

1538
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 21: and within a year they have pretty much screwed over

1539
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 21: one hundred and sixty five people plus plus all our

1540
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 21: subcontractors and whatnot. So what we're essentially aiming to get

1541
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 21: is what is owed, which is the holiday pay that

1542
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 21: constitutes around it's around about one point four million. Notice

1543
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 21: period for those staff would be around one point six million.

1544
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 21: We have about three hundred thousand dollars outstanding with our contractors,

1545
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 21: and then our subcontractors which is our field service providers

1546
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 21: all around the country are owed in total around six

1547
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 21: hundred grand. And you know these guys are some of

1548
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 21: them are small operators and this this could actually you know,

1549
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 21: cause cause them to fold.

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01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 5: So it's really worrying.

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01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 21: And what it does is, I think is that if

1552
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 21: we let this, let this go go by, I think

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01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 21: it's it's a really dangerous president for other foreign investors

1554
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 21: coming in thinking that they can treat New Zealand citizens

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Speaker 21: and work permit holders like crap.

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01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 3: Now, now if I added that up correctly, then you're

1557
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 3: saying that in total the amount od is about four million.

1558
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 21: About four million, yeah, which jump change for these.

1559
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 3: Quite for black Rock, which is you know, worth close

1560
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 3: to what twelve trillion US dollars, four million is absolutely nothing, Yeah,

1561
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 3: and you want them to make good.

1562
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 21: Absolutely, It's an ethical thing, you know, I think, you know,

1563
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 21: even if the simplistic wave and look, I'm not a

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01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 21: financial person by any stretch of the imagination, but be

1565
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 21: sort of the black Rock, by the debt from the guidata,

1566
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Speaker 21: they can pay the staff without any you know, avoiding

1567
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,440
Speaker 21: any arguments around priority payments.

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Speaker 11: And stuff like that.

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01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 21: And it really, as much as it's really sad to

1570
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 21: see Solar zero fold, this will at least, you know,

1571
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 21: keep the walls from the door for a little bit

1572
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 21: for these guys. And when we have to, you know,

1573
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 21: remember this is literally the worst time to be made

1574
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 21: redundant a one month out from Christmas. You know, these guys,

1575
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 21: I just I actually see potentially some some really awful

1576
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 21: things coming coming out of this if it can't be resolved.

1577
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 3: So what's gone wrong for the business? Because, I mean,

1578
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 3: this was something that was supposed to be doing really

1579
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 3: well and at one hundred and ninety five million dollars

1580
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 3: in credit lines, government had opened a facility of one

1581
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 3: hundred and forty five million for them. So what's gone wrong?

1582
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 21: I think from from someone who wasn't in the in

1583
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,839
Speaker 21: the financial side of things, in very sort of middle management,

1584
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 21: you know, we think the staff were incredibly passionate. They

1585
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 21: really wanted a really positive outcome for customers. Was quite

1586
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 21: a complicated setup in order to be able to get

1587
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 21: that that financing facility and create you know, these this

1588
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 21: energy service that you know would save customers. You know,

1589
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 21: I think the average savings over twenty years and now

1590
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 21: our twenty five year contract was around twenty grand, you know,

1591
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 21: fixing in your up to ninety percent of your of

1592
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 21: your electricity. You know, such a good thing, right and

1593
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 21: sort of because over time energies prices are increasing at

1594
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 21: least five or six percent a year in the country,

1595
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,560
Speaker 21: but we just I think look, I think personally, I

1596
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 21: think there was probably things could have been handled a

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 21: bit better with exec I think we also too, We're

1598
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 21: very close to being break even by the end of

1599
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Speaker 21: this financial year, you know, June next year. But for

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Speaker 21: some reason the tap got turned off by black Rock

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01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 21: and decided to liquidate, which again I don't think is

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01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 21: that common in this country, and just yeah, really sad

1603
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 21: state of affairs. I mean, they black Rock invested in

1604
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 21: us because we're doing some some technology smarts that actually

1605
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 21: know where else in the world's been done, and it's

1606
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 21: you know, it's it's a real void, I think, you know,

1607
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 21: and it's not great a great lot for solar in

1608
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 21: New Zealand. We've only got a three percent solar penetration here,

1609
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 21: so three percent of homes here have solar, whereas our

1610
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 21: Ossie neighbors.

1611
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 11: Have thirty seven percent.

1612
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 21: And you know, this is it's just another kick in

1613
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 21: the guts for a pretty pretty awesome, you know, energy

1614
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 21: energy service that you know, could really really help.

1615
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 3: Kiwi's Mike listen best of like the protests and thanks

1616
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 3: for talking us through it. It's Mike who's a form

1617
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 3: of solar zero employee. I I've just I've just been

1618
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 3: by the way in the news break looking up the

1619
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 3: deaths per million from COVID in New Zealand versus the world.

1620
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Speaker 3: You might be interested in that if you think that

1621
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 3: we've done particularly well. We haven't actually, so I'll run

1622
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Speaker 3: you through that shortly. But I said, I need to

1623
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Speaker 3: tell you about the school in Auckland now. The school

1624
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 3: in Auckland is attracting attention because it's decided to end

1625
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 3: the school year early for the year thirteen students, basically

1626
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 3: because they're not turning up to school anymore, just rewarding

1627
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 3: some bad behavior. So it's Takotako papa maori are all

1628
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 3: here or Mangare, so it's basically kutakopapa in Mangare. Told

1629
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 3: the students last week that their last day for the

1630
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Speaker 3: school year is tomorrow. Originally it was supposed to be

1631
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 3: December seventeenth, so that's basically another three weeks ish that

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01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 3: they've just gone noad. Don't worry, but don't worry about

1633
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 3: the last three weeks. Don't worry about it. And the

1634
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 3: reason is because apparently some year thirteen students hadn't been

1635
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 3: coming to class and some are just not going to

1636
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 3: their NCEEA Level three exams. So the school looked at

1637
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 3: it went oh, well, they're not turning up to class,

1638
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 3: not turning up to the exams. Let's write a letter

1639
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 3: to the parents. They wrote a letter to the parents saying,

1640
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 3: there is no purpose for them to continue to be

1641
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Speaker 3: at KODA after the twenty ninth of November, your Tamaiti,

1642
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 3: your child isn't contributing in any manner or way to

1643
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 3: our KODA. Therefore, we have decided they may now finish

1644
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 3: KODDA and be released early. And that's the end of

1645
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 3: that interesting attitude. I I just wonder how I mean

1646
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 3: that's I think that's probably at the extreme end of

1647
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 3: educator negligence and educators just being like up whatever, they

1648
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 3: don't really want to mind, who cares child scentered learning?

1649
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 3: I feel like that's the extreme end of it. But

1650
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 3: how much of that is how much of that how

1651
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,560
Speaker 3: much is that an insight into what's going on in

1652
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 3: schools at the moment.

1653
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Speaker 1: Quarter past analysis from the experts bringing you everything you

1654
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Speaker 4: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Rowena Duncan's going to be shortly the viticulture add a

1659
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Speaker 3: haut culture update right now, seventeen past six and everyone

1660
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Speaker 3: as very excited as we know about the Reserve Bank

1661
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 3: cutting the OCR, but other banks passing it on. Liam

1662
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 3: Dan as The Herald's Business editor at large, it's been

1663
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Speaker 3: taking a look at it, he lim, could I Heather,

1664
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Speaker 3: So they passed.

1665
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Speaker 4: It all on or what?

1666
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Speaker 11: No, I haven't seen anything today. I mean, look, A

1667
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 11: and Z went early with a bit of a cut

1668
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 11: to fix the interest rates on Tuesday night, and I've

1669
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 11: seen the banks now the banks more or less match that,

1670
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 11: but that's like twenty basis points and it was before

1671
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 11: the actual OCR cut they passed on the floating rates.

1672
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 11: So and you get all the press releases about that

1673
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 11: on the minute in fact that you know, they were

1674
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 11: arriving before we'd even received the news just about. But yeah, look,

1675
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 11: I know we're sort of thinking we're gonna get Nicola

1676
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 11: Willis's words relief for you know, regular Kiwi mortgage holders

1677
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 11: and all that sort of stuff, But not much, and

1678
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 11: not unless there's a bit of competition brewing. It looks

1679
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 11: like they've sort of all stared at each other and said, are.

1680
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 2: You going to cut them?

1681
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 11: And it's like, well, maybe we won't.

1682
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 3: But how much it was already priced in and had

1683
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 3: been cut in advance.

1684
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Speaker 11: Well, that twenty basis points is about as good as

1685
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 11: it's going to get.

1686
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 3: I guess, right, is that the twenty basis points? Like,

1687
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 3: have you measured from the last o CR cuts to

1688
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 3: this OCR cup That whole duration is only twenty basis points?

1689
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 11: They did know, well, they passed through the full fifty

1690
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 11: pretty well on the last one. And then I mean, yeah, look,

1691
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 11: there are reasons that they will look to their overseas

1692
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 11: borrowing costs having gone up because everybody's worried about, you know,

1693
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 11: what Donald Trump might do to inflation in the US,

1694
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 11: and so the bond yields are all up over there,

1695
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 11: So that's lifted the borrowing costs, And yeah, I guess

1696
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 11: the wholesale markets price a bit in, But then you know,

1697
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 11: it's still it does still come back to competition. If

1698
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 11: you had, you know, a keen bank ready to grab

1699
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 11: a bit more competition, they might go. And if one

1700
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 11: of them goes, and look, it could still happen. It's

1701
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 11: only been just over twenty four hours. But I just

1702
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 11: feel like if you were sitting there waiting, you know,

1703
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 11: to cash in on the on the big great cut,

1704
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 11: you know, fifty basis points is a double not much

1705
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 11: there for you.

1706
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 3: So what's going on? Is it just because they don't

1707
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 3: have to or is there something else that's playing into this.

1708
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 11: Well, I think it's a combination. So I don't want

1709
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 11: to put it all on the banks. But because because

1710
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 11: there are those international forces, they did all see it coming.

1711
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 11: So we got out to any basis points, I guess,

1712
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 11: starting on the Tuesday, and then then quietly sort of

1713
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 11: and I'm sort of talking about the one year, one

1714
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 11: year sort of fixed rate roughly, you know, one to

1715
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 11: two year fix rates, where a lot of Kiwis are

1716
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 11: Kew's are really more six months in a year at

1717
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 11: the moment because they've stayed short because they're expecting to

1718
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 11: see it come down. But you know, Adrianaws warned unfortunately

1719
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 11: unless we see a change in the sort of the

1720
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 11: global outlook, and you know, he does say, look, it'll

1721
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 11: be nice if the banks were repaired to pass on

1722
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 11: a bit of the margin. At this point, the margins

1723
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 11: are still higher than the average pre COVID but unless

1724
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 11: we see that, you know, it's going to take some

1725
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 11: quite big cuts and they're talking about going down to

1726
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 11: three with the ocr but it's not going to pass through.

1727
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 11: That's another you know, one point two five percent, but

1728
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 11: really it's not going to be that big a pass through,

1729
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 11: So that sort of rate, it's a bit of problems,

1730
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 11: a bit of a headwind for that interest rate lead recovery.

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Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, interesting stuff. Hey, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate that. Lim. That's Liam Dan, the Herald's

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Speaker 3: Business editor at large. Hither I was hearing from you

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Speaker 3: that you were going to announce the deaths per million. Okay,

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01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 3: let's do it. So you can go onto a website

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Speaker 3: yourself and you can actually check this out. But I've

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Speaker 3: done it for you. It's called our World and Data

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01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 3: and it's pretty reliable and they chart COVID deaths per

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01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 3: million across the world, across our region, Oceania, across New

1740
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Speaker 3: Zealand and every other country you could possibly think of,

1741
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 3: so you can go and have a look. So in

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Speaker 3: the world COVID deaths per million, So for every million

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Speaker 3: people that you've got there were eight hundred and eighty

1744
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 3: let's round it up, eight hundred and eighty six COVID deaths. Now,

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01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,799
Speaker 3: if New Zealand's strategy was awesome, and we'd done exactly

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01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 3: the right thing, and we'd save thousands and thousands and

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01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of lives, like Jasinda said, by closing

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Speaker 3: the borders and locking us down and having the mandates

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Speaker 3: and jab and forcing us to get jabbed and all

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Speaker 3: that stuff, then you would expect that we should have

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Speaker 3: a very very very low number of deaths per million, right,

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Speaker 3: because we save thousands of people.

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Speaker 7: Right? No?

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Speaker 3: Not, So we have eight hundred and sixty nine COVID

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Speaker 3: deaths per million. Compare that to the world's eight hundred

1756
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 3: and eighty six per million. So for every million people,

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Speaker 3: what's the difference there? They've gotten seventeen more people for

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Speaker 3: every million across the world that died than we have.

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01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 3: How many people we've got in New Zealand. I've got

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Speaker 3: five million, So what's that seventeen times five? That's sixty five,

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Speaker 3: isn't it? Six hundred and fifty six hundred and fifty?

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Speaker 3: Am I doing this right now? Sixty five? So we

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Speaker 3: saved from doing my maths, right, sixty five people by

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Speaker 3: doing everything that we did. That's how much better off

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01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 3: we are than the rest of the world. For five

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Speaker 3: million people. Sixty five people is what we saved. If

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Speaker 3: I'm day, I'm stand to be corrected because I will

1768
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 3: remind you I did do Nceea maths, right, So I did.

1769
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Speaker 3: I did New Zealand maths at school. So I'm probably shocking.

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Speaker 3: But as far as I can see, we have not

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Speaker 3: saved a vast quantity of people. By doing all the

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Speaker 3: things that we did and screwing our economy and letting

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Speaker 3: Adrian do all the things that he did. We only

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Speaker 3: saved maybe sixty five people above like, that's how much

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01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,879
Speaker 3: we've got below the rest of the world. Just incidentally,

1776
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Speaker 3: if you want to know, though we are doing quite

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Speaker 3: a bit better than Australia, they've got about one hundred people.

1778
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Speaker 3: They may have lost five hundred more people than us

1779
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Speaker 3: if you counting them up across the million. You know,

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Speaker 3: for five million people Sweden, those shocking. They just lost

1781
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of people. But anyway that you go,

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Speaker 3: we actually didn't save that many people. Little six twenty three, whether.

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Speaker 4: It's macro micro or just playing economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with hither duplicy Allen

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Speaker 1: and my HR the HR solution for busy SMEs U STALGSB.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was looking away. We lost another wicket in

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Speaker 3: the cricket. So we're three hundred and eighteen for eight

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Speaker 3: at the moment, got Sauthi and Phillips in there. At

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01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 3: the moment Phillips has got forty, so that's not bad.

1790
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Speaker 3: That's or fifty three balls six twenty six. And with

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Speaker 3: me right now is Rowena Duncan of the country.

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Speaker 5: Hey, ro.

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Speaker 3: Row are you there? Oh, hey here, yes, I can. Oh,

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Speaker 3: thank god, the phone's work. Sorry about that. That was

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Speaker 3: operated era at my end. No, no, probably not, probably

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Speaker 3: somebody else. Anyway, Hey, listen, tell me what's going on

1797
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Speaker 3: with the viticulture in the horticulture season. It sounds like

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01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 3: the good weather's been a great thing.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, So flowering is actually two weeks ahead for Sauvignon,

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Speaker 22: Blanc and Marlborough because it's been really warm. So that

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Speaker 22: means they'll harvest about two weeks early as well. And

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Speaker 22: hooks bang Sorry, they're also running a full two weeks

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Speaker 22: ahead of normal. Cherries, apricots, apples are all rightening really well,

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Speaker 22: and we know how badly that area was hit with

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Speaker 22: Gabrielle a couple of years ago, so you know, anything

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Speaker 22: that's looking positive for them is going to be really

1807
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Speaker 22: warming people's hearts, shall we say.

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Speaker 3: And Marlborough as well.

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Speaker 22: Where the best cherries are grown at Cherry Bank Orchard.

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Speaker 22: There they are reporting that things are ripening really well

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Speaker 22: ahead of schedule as well.

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Speaker 3: But it's been a bit of a different story for

1813
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Speaker 3: the South.

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Speaker 22: Earlier this month there was a really bad invection frost

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Speaker 22: I believe it was, and that's kind of when you

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Speaker 22: get a bit of a blast shell, so it's cold

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Speaker 22: on top of cold, and often you know, when there

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Speaker 22: is a frost, we see the helicopters get up in

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Speaker 22: the air, we see the windmills and the fans come on.

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Speaker 22: But if there's no warm air to circulate and mix around,

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Speaker 22: it makes things really really check challenging, so that's when

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Speaker 22: they kind of turn on the sprinklers and try and

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Speaker 22: get a bit of a layer on the grapes. Unfortunately

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Speaker 22: some didn't have sprinklers down there in that bannock Burn

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Speaker 22: upper low Burn area, they got a bit of frost damage,

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Speaker 22: so that's part of the vintage loss, so leaves damaged.

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Speaker 22: They get them mini bunches before they start to flour

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Speaker 22: and become grapes. They can get burnt and they can

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Speaker 22: drop off as well. Cherries can handle a lower temperature,

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Speaker 22: but the grapes, it really can impact on them. So, yeah,

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Speaker 22: a bit of a challenge for them down there.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant. Thank you for running us through it, roll. I

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Speaker 3: really appreciate It's Roe Duncan of the country. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to talk to Sam Dickie shortly about what's going on

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Speaker 3: with the big retailers because of course it's got Black

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01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 3: Friday tomorrow. You want to hear a crazy idea. Here's

1837
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 3: a crazy idea for you. Milk. You know how we've

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Speaker 3: got the soy milk, we've got the almond milk, blah

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Speaker 3: blah blah. We've got a new milk, fish milk. It's

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Speaker 3: coming out of Indonesia because they haven't got enough cows

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Speaker 3: in some parts of the country, so they get in

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Speaker 3: the fish. They're deboning them, they're crushing them down, grinding

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Speaker 3: them into powder and then which is protein rich, and

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01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 3: then they're making milk by adding chocolate or strawberry to it. Yeah,

1845
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 3: there we go another one for your coffee. Headline's next.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour,

1847
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Speaker 1: We're head the Dupless and my HR the HR solution

1848
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,440
Speaker 1: for busy SMS on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 4: Nice men.

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Speaker 14: Stand these.

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Speaker 3: We're going to go to the UK and about ten

1852
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 3: minutes so I'm got into Brady standing bike and this

1853
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 3: is what did I say about about my maths education?

1854
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 3: Seventeen times five is what I said. Sixty five, it's

1855
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 3: not it's eighty five. I had to get Thank God

1856
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 3: for calculators. I've got the calculator out and just disproved

1857
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 3: myself totally. So we saved eighty five people. So yay,

1858
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 3: now listen. Every year intot I EER, the Institute of

1859
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 3: Economic Research and Business Desk, put out a summer reading

1860
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 3: list for the Prime Minister. Of the current books that

1861
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 3: they reckon deal with some of the biggest challenges facing

1862
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 3: governments around the world at the moment, and the six

1863
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 3: that they've recommended are and I'm going to tell you,

1864
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 3: I'll give it to you an order of six to one. OK.

1865
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 3: Six is a Radically Different World by Jonathan Boston, which

1866
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 3: basically talks about how you relocate communities and stuff, so

1867
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 3: it's dealing with climate change and adaptation rather than mitigation.

1868
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 3: Five is The Crisis of Democratic Capitalism by Martin Wolf,

1869
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 3: which explains the trouble that we're in in the Western

1870
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 3: world as some people get wealthier and some people get poorer,

1871
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,560
Speaker 3: and the problems that that causes, like, for example, the

1872
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 3: unhappiness that leads to the election of Donald Trump. Four

1873
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 3: is a book called Innovation for the Masses by Neil

1874
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 3: Lee explains how politicians can take a more innovative can

1875
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 3: take innovation innovative ideas and then actually make it work

1876
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 3: for the country, make the country richer. Look at the

1877
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Speaker 3: scandies for example. The book number three is The Spirit

1878
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 3: of Green by a chap called William Nordthouse, which takes

1879
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 3: a look at how to deal with environmental issues at

1880
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 3: the moment. Book number two may contain Lies by alec

1881
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,480
Speaker 3: ed Alex Edmonds, which is how to deal with misinformation

1882
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Speaker 3: and so on, and number one by Jonathan Hate The

1883
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Speaker 3: Anxious Generation. How bad screens are for kids? How to

1884
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Speaker 3: get the screens, the kids off the screens. How we

1885
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 3: deal with this problem? Now, I know I've been harping

1886
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 3: on about it, but you do not need to take

1887
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 3: my word for it. Look at the list that these

1888
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 3: guys have put together for the Prime Minister number one,

1889
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 3: the anxious generation. So if you're a parent, I will

1890
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 3: say it to you again, make sure you read this

1891
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 3: book over summer. It will change everything for you about

1892
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Speaker 3: screens twenty two away from seven together do for see

1893
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Speaker 3: Ellen san Dickia Fisher Funds is with us right now.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Sam here, there are you doing.

1895
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Speaker 5: Hey?

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01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 3: So we've got Black Friday sales already in full swing.

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Speaker 3: I want to know, I want to know what you

1898
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 3: reckon about Black Friday? Are you getting involved in this?

1899
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,799
Speaker 10: Not for me, but I mean it's really expanded.

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Speaker 23: I mean it started off as a one day sale

1901
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 23: in the US the day after Thanksgiving. It has expanded

1902
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 23: around the world, and China in particular is taken to

1903
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 23: the next level. So they've got Singles Day, They've got

1904
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Speaker 23: six one eight, which is a mid year sale. They

1905
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 23: got twelve twelve, which is a year in clean clearance sale,

1906
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 23: got a Chinese New Year sale, a Woman's Day sales,

1907
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 23: so they've gone a bit crazy with it.

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Speaker 10: But retail revenue on these sales.

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Speaker 23: Days is usually many, multiple times the size of a

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Speaker 23: normal October shopping day for example.

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Speaker 3: For Black Friday to work. Obviously, you need to have

1912
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Speaker 3: consumers to actually have money. But do global consumers actually

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01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 3: have enough money this year?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 23: They do actually, So let's take retail sales as the

1916
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 23: proxy is the start. So US retail sales are growing

1917
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 23: three percent. Europe's healthy too, but the standout is actually China. Again,

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Speaker 23: retail sales growth had been running around two percent earlier

1919
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Speaker 23: in the year, but remember we spoke a few weeks

1920
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Speaker 23: ago about that big stimulus package and the consumers responded.

1921
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Speaker 10: So that that retail sales in China now has grown

1922
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 10: about five.

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01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 23: Percent, so they had direct stimulus like tax cuts for example.

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Speaker 23: Back home here the New Zealand consumers still shrinking slightly

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Speaker 23: as we know, but there forward looking indicator people focus on,

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Speaker 23: which is consumer confidence. And US and Aussie consumer confidence

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Speaker 23: is it as sixteen month high, and even New Zealand

1928
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Speaker 23: consumer confidence is picking up, so that's positive. And the

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Speaker 23: other really important thing is the consumer balance sheet around

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Speaker 23: the world, and particularly in a place like the US,

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Speaker 23: is actually a lot healthier than it's been in many years.

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Speaker 23: So take US household debt to GDP for example, that's

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Speaker 23: the lowest it's been in fifteen years. So when we

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Speaker 23: hear about stretch balance sheets around the world, it's actually

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Speaker 23: governments that have stretch balance sheets, not the consumer.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, now does this I mean it's very competitive out

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Speaker 3: there for the retailers. Does this kind of thing benefit

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Speaker 3: the big players make them get bigger?

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Speaker 4: It does?

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Speaker 10: It really does.

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Speaker 23: So if you take take the US again, you know

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Speaker 23: players like Walmart, Amazon, Costco, Soy, Target, and Boots Walgreens.

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Speaker 23: They account for over a trillion dollars in sales, or

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Speaker 23: twenty five percent of US retail sales. So four or

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Speaker 23: five players are a quarter of total sales, and they

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Speaker 23: all continue to grow faster. Not so much Target, by

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Speaker 23: the way, but Walmart, Amazon, and Costco continue to grow

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Speaker 23: faster than the overall system, so they continue to take

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Speaker 23: the market share.

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Speaker 3: What does this mean do you think for consumers?

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Speaker 24: Then?

1952
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Speaker 23: I think it's it's on the face of it's good news.

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Speaker 23: So why are these guys growing faster. They're using their

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Speaker 23: economies of scale to negotiate with suppliers, so they get

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Speaker 23: cheaper costs and they pass that on to consumers in

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Speaker 23: the form of cheaper prices. So Costco, which has got

1957
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Speaker 23: its west Auckland Store is a great example. So their

1958
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Speaker 23: mantra when you go and meet management, or they go

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Speaker 23: into any strategy meeting or they have any board meetings,

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Speaker 23: they never talk about how they can take more margin

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Speaker 23: out of us as consumers on board profit. They always

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Speaker 23: talk about how they can drive lower prices for us.

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Speaker 23: So because of that, and that's actually called scale economies

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Speaker 23: shared by the way, because of that, every time they

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Speaker 23: get a little bit bigger, they recycle that those profits

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Speaker 23: into lower prices for us, which means they they garner

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Speaker 23: more of our and that's why that the west Auckland

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Speaker 23: store is booming.

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Speaker 10: So that's good news.

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Speaker 23: Right, So that these big guys are very efficient at

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Speaker 23: driving down the price of goods, then we should benefit

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Speaker 23: as consumers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, Right, what about investors? I mean, does this

1974
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Speaker 3: mean you need to back the big guys?

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 10: So a few things to bear in mind there.

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Speaker 23: So Black Friday itself can give us a early hind

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Speaker 23: to on how bullish we're all feeling around the world

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Speaker 23: as consumers heading into Christmas, that key Christmas period.

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Speaker 10: This is sort of a one day sneak peak of that.

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Speaker 23: The second thing is these big retailers are consolidating market

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Speaker 23: share and the smaller retailers are struggling. So I guess

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Speaker 23: when you're thinking about that, there's a lot of very

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Speaker 23: cheap looking from it, you know, a price to earning's

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Speaker 23: basis small retailers around the world. But just be careful

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Speaker 23: that the big guys continue to do well. And you

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Speaker 23: see that in their year prices. So Walmarts up seventy

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Speaker 23: five percent, year to day cost goes up another fifty percent,

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Speaker 23: and as Amazon's up forty percent, So it does seem

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Speaker 23: like the bigger getting bigger.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Hey, Sam, thank you so much as always, talk

1992
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Speaker 3: to you again soon that Sam Dickie, official of Funds

1993
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Speaker 3: are now off. The spinoff is one as a New

1994
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Speaker 3: Zealand news website kind of aimed at a younger audience.

1995
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Speaker 3: They've just put out a request today for people to

1996
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Speaker 3: help them. Things are tough. I'm going to talk to

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Speaker 3: you about that shortly and we're also going to go

1998
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Speaker 3: to the UK seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather duple Clan and my HR

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Speaker 1: the HR Solution for busy SMS on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I've been talking to you about what various countries

2003
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Speaker 3: are going to do with Benya Mignette Naho and the

2004
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Speaker 3: arrest warrant that was issued by the ICC. The French

2005
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Speaker 3: government has now clarified its position and basically said he

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Speaker 3: has immunity. So they're suggesting they're not going to arrest him,

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Speaker 3: and they reckon he's got immunity because Israel is not

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Speaker 3: a member of the ICC, and if Israel's not a

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Speaker 3: member of the ICC, it can't be how it can't

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Speaker 3: be held to the ICC standards. Therefore, doesn't sound like

2011
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Speaker 3: they're going to arrest him and hand him over. Fourteen

2012
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Speaker 3: away from seven and end of Brady our UK correspondence

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Speaker 3: with US.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey, Ender, Hey have a great to speak to you.

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Speaker 3: In Whose drones are these that are flying over the RAF.

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Speaker 25: So we've had several incidents now ongoing for a week,

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Speaker 25: and the big suspicion is that this is being driven

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Speaker 25: by Russia. Now there's no evidence for this, but a

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Speaker 25: lot of people feel that this is low level interference

2020
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Speaker 25: and it's Russia's response to those storm Shadow missiles, the

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Speaker 25: British made missiles that the UK gave Ukraine permission being

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Speaker 25: given from Joe Biden's administration for Ukraine to use storm

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Speaker 25: shadows to strike targets deep inside Russia. That happened last

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Speaker 25: week and out of nowhere, We've had lots of low level,

2025
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Speaker 25: kind of really annoying things happen. There was a security

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Speaker 25: incident at Gatwick Airport, there was another at Houston Station

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Speaker 25: on the trains, and all week long, drones have been

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Speaker 25: flying in a coordinated fashion over four different ORIF bases,

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Speaker 25: and they just happened to be the RIF bases that

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Speaker 25: are used by the United States Air Force as well.

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Speaker 25: So you've got ORIF Lake and Heath and Mildenhall over

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Speaker 25: in Suffolk, and then you've got Fairford in law. To

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Speaker 25: sure we haven't been able to find who's doing this.

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Speaker 25: The authorities have brought in sixty extra military personnel. They're

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Speaker 25: using various different jamming technology to try and turn the

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Speaker 25: drones back on the user. But every day drones are

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Speaker 25: popping up at these air sites. It's very very worrying.

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Speaker 3: Why don't they just shoot them out of the sky?

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Speaker 2: Very good points, very good question. I think there's too

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Speaker 2: many of them.

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Speaker 3: How many are there?

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Speaker 2: Dozens? Dozens and it's coordinating. Yeah, swarm of them, and.

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Speaker 25: It's it's obviously look for two purposes. They could be

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Speaker 25: filming and recording and sending vision back to whoever the

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Speaker 25: recipient or the holder of the drone is. And also

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Speaker 25: when the drone is up over an airfield, they can't

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Speaker 25: fly a plane or a helicopter.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would have thought the obvious thing to do

2049
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Speaker 3: is just open fire on them, bring them down and

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Speaker 3: see who they belong to.

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Speaker 2: You would imagine so, but clearly it's not that simple.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, Hey, so the EV targets is the government

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Speaker 3: going to soften? What are they going to do here?

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Speaker 25: I think the car industry has kind of lost it's

2055
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Speaker 25: cool with not just kir Starmer, this was conservative policy

2056
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Speaker 25: as well. The plan is to get to a position

2057
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Speaker 25: by not long a long time ago, and now we're

2058
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Speaker 25: you know, we're heading into twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five in a few weeks.

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Speaker 25: The plan was that we would get to a position

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Speaker 25: where Britain would not be selling any new combustion engines,

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Speaker 25: so no more petrol and deeseent diesel engines by twenty thirty,

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Speaker 25: and fines were put in place for car manufacturers who

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Speaker 25: are not meeting a certain percentage of EV sales each year,

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Speaker 25: leading up to eighty percent of sales by the year

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Speaker 25: twenty thirty. So right now the percentage is twenty two percent.

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Speaker 25: And this week Vauxhall have come out and said, look,

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Speaker 25: we can't do this. We're just the demand in Europe

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Speaker 25: is not there. We're not selling enough of the vehicles.

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Speaker 25: We're shutting our plant in Luton, eleven hundred jobs on

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Speaker 25: the line. I think what they're going to have to

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Speaker 25: do is the Business Secretary Jonathan Reynolds, on behalf of

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Speaker 25: kir Starmer, is going to have to sit down with

2074
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Speaker 25: the leaders of the camera factory and worked out because

2075
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Speaker 25: what's going to happen in January if Trump goes ahead

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Speaker 25: with trade tariffs on China, all the vehicles China would

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Speaker 25: have wanted to sell in the United States, they will

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Speaker 25: start dumping in the European Union at really really cheap

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Speaker 25: prices and that will completely kill off the car industry

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Speaker 25: here and have a one point what has already really

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Speaker 25: been the death knell from manufacturing in the UK for

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Speaker 25: car makers.

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Speaker 2: Breaksit this without a shadow.

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Speaker 3: Overdubt and thank you so much for talking us so

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. As always, we'll talk to you again

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Speaker 3: next week mate. That's into Brady, UK correspondent. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: the spinoff now the spinoff if you if you don't

2088
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Speaker 3: consume much online news. The spinoff is a website out

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand run by a chap called Duncan Grieve.

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Speaker 3: We founded by a chap called Duncan Grieve, which has

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Speaker 3: a lift lean to it. Oh no, it's just it's

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Speaker 3: quite left. It's quite left, and it's unashamedly so, and

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Speaker 3: it aims at young people. And I kind of like

2094
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Speaker 3: the spinoff actually. I like what they do because the

2095
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Speaker 3: cheeky as and they just do their thing right. You

2096
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Speaker 3: don't have to like it, but I like that they

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Speaker 3: do their thing unashamedly and I think that they do

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Speaker 3: it quite well. Anyway. The spinoff is having some financial trouble,

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Speaker 3: which has kind of been obvious for a little while.

2100
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Speaker 3: But today they've written an open letter which they do

2101
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Speaker 3: from time to time, asking their members to give them

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Speaker 3: some money to help them through, and they want to

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Speaker 3: double the number of members who support them with annual

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Speaker 3: or monthly payments. And at the moment is something like

2105
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Speaker 3: two percent of this that heaps people read it, but

2106
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Speaker 3: only two percent support them and that's not sufficient. They

2107
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Speaker 3: make this point when they are appealing for it. They say,

2108
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Speaker 3: we run a type of decentralized public media, with New

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Speaker 3: Zealand on Air funding projects for a number of platforms. Historically,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand on Air has been an enthusiastic believer in

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Speaker 3: series like Juggernaut and Alice Needden's Bad News, which they

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Speaker 3: produced the spin off. However, just last Friday we discovered

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Speaker 3: that all of our key competitors had projects funded, but

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Speaker 3: all our proposals were declined. This is the second straight

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Speaker 3: New Zealand on Air funding round where this has happened. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: our Creative New Zealand funding has been halved this year

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Speaker 3: and the Public Interest Journalism Fund, which currently supports two

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Speaker 3: roles within our small teap team of thirty one, to

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Speaker 3: finish next year. While the state is under no obligation

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Speaker 3: to fund our work. It's hard to watch as other

2121
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Speaker 3: platforms continue to be heavily backed while our own funding

2122
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Speaker 3: stops dead. Now I feel sorry for the spinoff because

2123
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Speaker 3: obviously they have come to be very reliant on this money.

2124
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Speaker 3: And if you have a look back through New Zealand

2125
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Speaker 3: on Air grants and stuff in the past, they have

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Speaker 3: been funded. They have been well funded by the state.

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Speaker 3: They've got a lot of money for a lot of

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Speaker 3: projects that I would say some of them are like,

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Speaker 3: do this, Do we really want to fund that?

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Speaker 4: Because that doesn't look like that, that doesn't look that good.

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Speaker 3: But we're putting money into it anyway. This there's been

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Speaker 3: a lot of money just given to the spinoff, and

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Speaker 3: I think what's happened here, unfortunately, is the spinoff has

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Speaker 3: come to rely on government funding in order to make

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Speaker 3: the model work.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I have to be clear with you, right every single

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Speaker 3: media op outlet out there right now, including our own,

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Speaker 3: will be taking government money. So this is not having

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Speaker 3: a crack at government money. It's just saying, if your

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Speaker 3: business model is so dependent on government money that if

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Speaker 3: that government money dries up, you cannot make your business

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Speaker 3: work anymore. I think you've got a problem. So I'm

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Speaker 3: fascinated now because I think they do a good product.

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Speaker 3: I'm fascinated to see what happens and whether the members

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Speaker 3: step up, because these are members who are having a

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Speaker 3: big old cry now on social media about the state

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Speaker 3: of the spinoff and how sad they are.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: I want to see them put their money where their

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Speaker 3: mouths out. And I'm fascinated to see if that actually happens.

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Speaker 3: Seven away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Getting ready for a new administration in the US, what

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Speaker 1: will be the impact. It's the Business Hour with Hither

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Speaker 1: duplicy Allen and my HR, the HR solution for busy

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Speaker 1: SMEs newstalks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be hither. You would be shocked at the number

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Speaker 3: of businesses and charities that are primarily funded by the government.

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Speaker 3: We haven't even scratched the surface of the pain that's

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Speaker 3: coming as these contracts end hundreds of thousands of people,

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Speaker 3: including community organizations already picking up the slack will no

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Speaker 3: longer exist. That's from Sudent Susan. That's a fair point,

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Speaker 3: and I get that, but I also there's a part

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Speaker 3: of me that's like, we're going to lose some good stuff,

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Speaker 3: but we're also probably going to lose some stuff that

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Speaker 3: just is not good.

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 3: We just throw the cash at it, and we got

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Speaker 3: like Sports New Zealand for example, give them lots of

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Speaker 3: money and they just blow it on emails. Anyway, that

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Speaker 3: gang tongue, I told you, we're going to keep an

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Speaker 3: eye on what was going on with the gang members

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Speaker 3: hmongrel mob at in Totunga today, So fourteen people ended

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Speaker 3: up being arrested, A vehicle and two firearms were seized.

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Speaker 3: The cops used the opportunity to enforce the patch bang,

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Speaker 3: and one of the gang members who had their patch

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Speaker 3: taken off them was rock a Dog obviously not his

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Speaker 3: birth name. Rocker Dog was not happy about it. He

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Speaker 3: held his own press conference afterwards, got.

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Speaker 24: Arrested for just see so weary now our clothes hatches? No, No,

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Speaker 24: I wasn't anyway personally it was he. I was just

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Speaker 24: being a T shirt, but it was close.

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Speaker 2: Did they have a munger modern signia on it?

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Speaker 3: It had had a pitch on.

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Speaker 24: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He obviously doesn't get the concept of that's got the

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Speaker 3: picture on it, we're going to take it off him.

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Speaker 3: He reckons the cops are going too hard.

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Speaker 24: Oh well, at the moment, I reckon, they're coming down,

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Speaker 24: you know, stupidly.

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Speaker 11: Hey, because it's just a minus thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very upset about it. Yeah, anyway, she'd have

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Speaker 3: a look at it it's on stuff, just to see

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Speaker 3: because maybe you can let me know what that tattoo

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Speaker 3: is on his forehead, because I have no bloody idea

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Speaker 3: what's going on? I don't know, and what do you

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Speaker 3: reckon it was?

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Speaker 20: I didn't get a good enough look at it, but yeah,

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Speaker 20: tattoo was what I thought, but I didn't get any foods.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was obviously a tattoo, but it's not a

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Speaker 3: good tattoo. If you don't know what the tattoo is.

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Speaker 20: Oh no, probably don't like dat, mate. Maybe it's just

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Speaker 20: maybe it was just in bad lighting that didn't have

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Speaker 20: any studio lights or anything.

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Speaker 3: So oh yeah, no, no, that must be what it was. Okay,

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Speaker 3: she Loves You.

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Speaker 20: By the Beatles to play us out tonight? Did you

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Speaker 20: want another Beatles documentry? Good, you're getting one. Beetles sixty

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Speaker 20: four is going coming out on Disney Plus tomorrow, possibly Saturday,

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Speaker 20: because I'm not sure if they mean tomorrow US time.

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Speaker 20: It's about the A band's tour of the US in

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Speaker 20: nineteen sixty four, and it's some brand new footage that

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Speaker 20: was together by one of Sir Peter Jackson's outfits out

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Speaker 20: of Wellington's.

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Speaker 3: I still haven't watched the last Peter Jackson one that

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Speaker 3: went on for like seven hundred.

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Speaker 20: Perfect marathon to do this weekend because I.

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Speaker 3: Just put all the new footage together and just give

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Speaker 3: it to us. How would that be? You can make

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Speaker 3: documentares see you tomorrow. You stalk z big.

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