1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: with worldwide connections that perform not a promise. 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: Ali Jones read pr with us Hey, Alie, good a, 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 2: how are you good? Thank you? And Jordan Williams from 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: the taxpayers and in Jordan, good evening. 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 3: Good day guys. 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: Let's start with the attendance issue. This Gisbane counselor who's 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: only turned up and since October, I think it was 9 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: forty one percent of meetings. Alie, you obviously go to 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 2: a lot of these. How many would you know? What 11 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: would your percentage be? 12 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 3: Oh? 13 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 4: I had a look the other day, actually, and I 14 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 4: think I've missed one. I think I've missed one. And 15 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 4: in fact, the attendance level and record of both city 16 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 4: councilors and community board members is pretty good. There is 17 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 4: one guy who was who had a similar one to 18 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 4: this Chaps about forty nine percent. But I mean the 19 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 4: point is, I don't think there should be a mandatory requirement. 20 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 4: There are well, there are guidelines already in the standing 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 4: orders that says, you know, you miss more than two 22 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 4: or three in a row, and then they start asking 23 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 4: questions and looking at you know, what you're. 24 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: Doing, uhappeny and gismon Yeah, well exactly exactly but laid 25 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: back life. Yeah. 26 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 4: But the point is the point is when we're not 27 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 4: employees either, we're self employed. And so if people believe 28 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 4: that they can do the job at attending forty nine 29 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 4: for us being there five percent, well, actually some of 30 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 4: the stuff we do is just waffle to be Frank 31 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 4: Jordan and you will know this as well. So I 32 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 4: don't think it should be mandatory. I think if it's 33 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 4: affecting someone's ability to do the job, where it becomes 34 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 4: an issue is a voting time and that's when the 35 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 4: public can have their say. 36 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 3: Well, I mean you're known as always there ally and 37 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: good on you, but I mean from a rate payer perspective, 38 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: you know you are. You might not consider it a job, 39 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 3: it's not you're not employed, but you should be there 40 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: and if some of the meetings are waffling on or 41 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: not worth the time, and look, I agree with that, 42 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: but that's actually the role of the council as the 43 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 3: governing body like any board, to enstruct the officials on 44 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: what they want one information they want and what decisions 45 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: they want to be making, and don't. 46 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 4: Need who to say they're not doing it though you 47 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 4: want to. 48 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: And they're not doing all this Chapman and Gismond, you know, 49 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: never there nicks only churning up forty percent of the time. Well, 50 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, he's clearly not doing the job and if 51 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: he wants to continue to stand, it's not unreasonable. Hey, Allie, 52 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: guys taking home six figures to be to turn out? 53 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: Allie, I'm interested. You know when you said a lot 54 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: of the meetings are waffle? Is that? Why is that? 55 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: And can you not change it so that there's not 56 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: so much waffle? 57 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 4: This is why I'm running for council Ryan. There's little 58 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 4: I can do on community board. But actually, you know, 59 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 4: we do need to change that. I'm sick to death 60 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 4: of reading a paragraph when it could be said in 61 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: four words, and I know that that's a little different 62 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 4: to well, no, that is waffle. There you go, there's 63 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 4: a definition of waffle. And so yes, there are a 64 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: lot of, in my opinion, unnecessary meetings. There are meetings 65 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 4: that could be done as zoom or as distant meetings 66 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 4: done online, far better ways of doing things. Sitting on 67 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 4: your bum for eight hours a. 68 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: Day does not make you a member of a government. 69 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: I mentioned that, Jordan. I've always liked the idea of 70 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: stand up meetings. There was an it guy who started 71 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: nineteen business I can't remember which one, one of the 72 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: big ones, and he was a big fan of those, 73 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: because people are tired and they get the meeting over 74 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: and done with. 75 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. I had to laugh at the way the Auckland 76 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: mayor getting in trouble for doing a zoom call from 77 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 3: his car. I have to admit, when I'm running late, 78 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: I put on obviously not staring into the into the 79 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: video screen, but I turn it on on the hands 80 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 3: free to join our stand up calls in the morning, 81 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: because that's that's what sort of normal people with jobs do. 82 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: The idea that you're not turning up to two thirds 83 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: of the meetings though, but taking the full salary. I'm sorry, Aliva, 84 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: that's why local government has such a bad reputation. Let 85 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: me just. 86 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 4: Currently, let me just make clear that is an extreme, 87 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 4: That is an absolute extreme. But I don't think we 88 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 4: should be measured on how many times we turn up 89 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 4: to a meeting and sit on our bums for eight 90 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 4: hours a day. 91 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: Hi, Jordan Williams. We will be back in just a 92 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: few moments. Here on the Huddle. 93 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary 94 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach. 95 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: News Talks, b Ellie Jones, Red pr and Jordan Williams 96 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: Taxpayers in on the Huddle tonight. David Seymour's bill, This 97 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 2: is the Treaty Principal's bill has failed on its second reading, 98 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: sale to be binned. But he told us tonight not 99 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: going away, not going anywhere. He is considering making it 100 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: a bottom line at the next election to have a 101 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: referendum on this issue. Ellie, what do you reckon? 102 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 4: Oh, that's all I can do. I just it's exhausting. 103 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 4: I think I love it when someone takes up a 104 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 4: challenge and you know it doesn't give up and really 105 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 4: goes for what they believe in. Not in this situation, 106 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 4: give it a break, David. The bill received three hundred 107 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 4: thousand submissions, ninety percent of posed it. He keeps going 108 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 4: on about how that wasn't clearly reflective of what's really 109 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 4: happening out in you know, wide in New Zealand. So 110 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 4: if he can show that in some other way, good 111 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 4: on them. But he had his opportunity for God's sake, 112 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 4: Just let it go. 113 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: Jordan, Well, are you going to make a job a 114 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 2: funny noise? 115 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: Representing well, representing the media party, the ninety percent BS, 116 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: the tens of thousands I know in Hobson's pleege case 117 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: it was I think nearly forty thousand. They just treat 118 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 3: as one submission. Hugely just disgraceful the way that select 119 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 3: committee process was run. When Ali you use the select 120 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 3: committee numbers but not the public opinion polling, which is 121 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: that the public are behind it regards from that regardless 122 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: it's scientific polling. I mean, it's opinion polling, multiple multiple 123 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 3: companies have done it and showing that the. 124 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: Public the democratic process. 125 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 3: To all this, we were back up the truck out. 126 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: The democratic process is a referendum. What is so scary 127 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: about having a national conversation on things like equality of rights? 128 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: All the bill is about BS. Go and read the 129 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: principles they are Each individual principle has been told and 130 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 3: the public support all three of them. Do you disagree 131 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: public upholding? What do you disagree with upholding existing treaty settlements? 132 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: Do you disagree with that? No? 133 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 4: I agree? 134 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 3: Do you you're on one of them? You're on one 135 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: of them. Do you disagree all these Zealanders should be 136 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: treated equally? Before the end? 137 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: Okay, sorry tapping up, it was too good. I was 138 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: enjoying myself. But what he does, He does have a point, 139 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 2: doesn't he that there is a lot of opposition Alie, 140 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: But but no one really identifies exactly what it is 141 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: that they're opposed to. Can you see that that point 142 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: from David? I can. 143 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 4: I can see that. I think one of the issues though, 144 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 4: is that people don't understand it. I will concede that 145 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 4: I think there are elements of this that people didn't understand. 146 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 4: I think people jumped onto. 147 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: A bad category. 148 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, well no, I just think when you've got three 149 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: hundred thousand submissions and the number opposing it, even if 150 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 4: you talking about the blocks that were processed through Hobson's 151 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 4: Pledge or whatever, you have still got a massive number. 152 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 4: There is no doubt that the majority of people who 153 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: submitted on this opposed it. So what do you do then? 154 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 4: Go to referendum? Would you really think that we should 155 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: be spending money on a referendum on something that so 156 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 4: many people are opposing? 157 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, because that's that determines it. Determined it. 158 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: Group in the world flag. 159 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: At the same time, no text back group in the 160 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: world campaigns about the cost of democracy. 161 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: All right, guys, you've got a bumper sticker with that 162 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: on you. Ellie Jones and Jordan Williams and a very 163 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: boisterous huddle. 164 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: For more from hither to Plas Allen Drive. 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