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Speaker 1: Right now. Remember last week we revealed that Ikea Big

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Speaker 1: Store had to consult with seven different Mana Fenua groups

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Speaker 1: to build their Sylvia Park store, including inviting them to

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Speaker 1: perform katakia and other cultural ceremonies on the site three

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Speaker 1: separate times. Well, the under Secretary for RMA Reform Acts,

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Speaker 1: Simon Court, has gone through some more resource consents and

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Speaker 1: found even more ridiculous examples. One resource consent in central

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Speaker 1: hawks Bay requires local Hupu to be invited to give

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Speaker 1: a katakia whenever a native plant or tree is removed.

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Speaker 1: Simon Court is with me now, Hi, Simon.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Ryan, So what exactly.

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Speaker 1: Is have you found in Hawks Bay?

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Speaker 2: Well? Right, we've found more mad resource content conditions for

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Speaker 2: solar farms in central hawks Bay, which include, as you

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Speaker 2: pointed out, inviting Mana Fenua to perform prayers before removing

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Speaker 2: any native trees or plants, and requiring the developer to

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Speaker 2: provide written reports every six months until at least two

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Speaker 2: years after construction's finished outlining how they can fly with

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Speaker 2: a sixty six page cultural impact assessment and what ongoing

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Speaker 2: reporting around that. What this means is that if solar

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Speaker 2: farms can't get built or if they get built, but

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Speaker 2: there's all this extra cost that's going to add to

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Speaker 2: your power bill. We hear councils and many others saying

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Speaker 2: they want more renewable energy, but then in the resource

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Speaker 2: concending space, they demand ceremonial chanting and spreadsheet level detail

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Speaker 2: about everything a contractor does when they're building and developing

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Speaker 2: the site.

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Speaker 1: Whose land is it?

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Speaker 2: Well, these two sites that we've been looking at this

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Speaker 2: week are both around on in Central Hawks Bay. One

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Speaker 2: is owned privately, the other is owned by the local

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Speaker 2: lines company. The private developer was proposing a solar farm

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Speaker 2: that would supply eighteen thousand homes. They're in liquidation because

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Speaker 2: they can't make the economics of their proposal stack up.

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Speaker 2: So the question is there are many of these projects

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Speaker 2: that we need to get built, go simply cost more,

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Speaker 2: which is going to add to people's power bills, or

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Speaker 2: just never get built at all. Like one of these

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Speaker 2: projects in Ongwong, it looks like.

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Speaker 1: What's the theory. So this one that's on private land,

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Speaker 1: it's a private soular farm on private land. Is you

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Speaker 1: have the gone bus, But what's the logical the theory

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Speaker 1: of having mana fenore so involved with the cut of

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Speaker 1: care and stuff. What is the theory, Well, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: It's a wonky theory and it's called the Resource Management Act.

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Speaker 2: And what parts of the Resource Management Act say is

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Speaker 2: that planners and decision makers has to give a high

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Speaker 2: level of weight to the Treaty of Waiting principles and

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Speaker 2: to other cultural matters when they're coming up with resource

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Speaker 2: consent conditions. Now, we can't get things built in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand and if we're going to force the companies to

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Speaker 2: essentially perform ceremonial chanting every time they want to get

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Speaker 2: something built. And that's why A committed to scrapping the

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Speaker 2: Resource Management We campaigned on that before the last election.

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Speaker 2: We've got that into the National Act Coalition Agreement and

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Speaker 2: one of the things I'm working on is delivering a

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Speaker 2: new piece of resource management law that's based on property

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Speaker 2: rights and without this general Treaty principle's clause that drives

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Speaker 2: this kind of insanity.

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Speaker 1: Have you discussed with the locally about the need for

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Speaker 1: these three separate catechare.

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Speaker 2: Well, I haven't personally discussed it with them, But one

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Speaker 2: of the problems we've got is.

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Speaker 1: Local Did the land I mean, did anyone actually just say, hey,

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Speaker 1: do we need to do all this stuff? Is as necessary?

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Speaker 1: Because I mean they might do they even know? I mean,

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Speaker 1: is this.

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Speaker 2: Well? Ryan, I was a civil engineering project manager for

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Speaker 2: nearly twenty five years before I was elected as an

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Speaker 2: act MP, and what I do know is that the

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Speaker 2: kind of questions you've asked, do we even need any

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Speaker 2: of this stuff? Are often asked at the projects stage,

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Speaker 2: But once you go to your local council, we'll say, oh, Craigie,

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Speaker 2: do you know who the man of Fenway is in

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Speaker 2: your area? And have you consulted with them? And you say, well, no,

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Speaker 2: what interests would they have in a solar farm? Well,

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Speaker 2: it turns out, according to council and under the RMA,

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Speaker 2: they do have an interest. And that's why councils keep

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Speaker 2: enforcing all of these conditions on developers. And if you

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Speaker 2: want your resource consent, eventually you're just going to roll

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Speaker 2: over and say yes to it, no matter what the cost.

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Speaker 2: And that's why we have to replace the Resource Management

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Speaker 2: Act with the system based on property right. So youjumb

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Speaker 2: and I've given us elves to the end of the

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Speaker 2: year to introduce it, and we'll have that legislation into

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Speaker 2: the House later this.

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Speaker 1: Year, okay, So later this year? When when will it

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Speaker 1: part By the end of the start next year a path.

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Speaker 2: We're aiming to have it passed through all stages by

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Speaker 2: the middle of twenty twenty six and implemented in large

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Speaker 2: part immediately, but with a full implementation date of one

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Speaker 2: July twenty twenty se.

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Speaker 1: One July, okay, But by mid twenty twenty six we

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Speaker 1: will have the legislation passed that will put an end

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Speaker 1: to all of this.

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Speaker 2: Well, what it's going to do is say whether it

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Speaker 2: was a treaty settlement and you know the government has

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Speaker 2: agreed that there are certain Ewe or Hapu who have

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Speaker 2: a right to have their say at the planning stage,

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Speaker 2: then those rights should be preserved. But when it comes

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Speaker 2: to individual consent conditions like the IKEA one you referenced before,

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Speaker 2: saying up to seven mon of Fenoma, groups have to

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Speaker 2: be consulted and by the way, you have to invite

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Speaker 2: them to every stage of construction, site clearance, earthworks, putting

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Speaker 2: the site back together again to say prayers. We're not

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Speaker 2: going to.

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Speaker 1: Have that simon court at party MP. Nice to have

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Speaker 1: you on the program.

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