1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Now the Democrats, I mean talk about meltdown. Democrats are 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: dealing with a bad hangover from last night, aren't they. 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris has promised to give a very good speech today. 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: I promised they will be an orderly transition of power. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: We must accept the results of this election. Earlier today 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: I spoke with President elect Trump and congratulated him on 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: his victory. 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: I also told him that we will help him and 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: his team with their transition and that we will engage 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: in a peaceful transfer of power. Now, David List is 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: a Democrat and a former speech tried it to Barack Obama. 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 2: David, Hello, Hi, Heather. 13 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: What do you think the Democrats did wrong in the end. 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: I think it's going to take a couple of weeks, 15 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: maybe even months to fully figure it out, because this 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 2: was really an across the board reversion back to Donald Trump. 17 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: I mean I used the word of version. It was 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: actually bigger than that. Almost everywhere in the country shifted 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: by about six percent toward Donald Trump. And that was 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: true across geography, It was true across ages races. You know, 21 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: it was really a full scale shift rightward compared to 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. I think the biggest thing that Democrats faced 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: was a headwind from inflation that was, you know, a 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: serious problem in the United States two years ago, and 25 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: prices have stopped growing since then, but people are very 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: aware of how much prices have grown, and so I 27 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 2: think that ultimately one of the things as a Democrat 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: I find myself wondering is what could have been done 29 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: to prevent this? And I don't know if there's an answer. 30 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if we will know an answer, because 31 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: this was something where it turned out to be a 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: much more difficult environment than democrats realized. 33 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of commentary from you know, publications 34 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: around the world that tend to lean right, like the 35 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: Telegraph and the UK and stuff, and they say, what 36 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: this is basically is a vote against everything the Democrats 37 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: stand for, things like diversity and you know, just and like, 38 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: let's call it wokiness. Do you know, if you like, 39 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: do you think it is that? Is it a culture 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: war vote or is it purely an economic vote? 41 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: I think no vote is all one thing or another. 42 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: I absolutely think that there are a set of people 43 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: in the country who find Democrats annoying. And I will 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: say I'm a Democrat and sometimes I find Democrats annoying. 45 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: At the same time, I think that it was really 46 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: shocking to me how many people were apparently willing to 47 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: overlook Donald Trump's danger and the threat that he poses 48 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: to the country and to the world. Quite frankly, you know, 49 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: I think in part because Democrats can sometimes be a 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 2: little bit irritating. And as I said, not only do 51 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: I think that democrats can sometimes be irritating, I have 52 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: been an irritating Democrat, so I think there is some 53 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: truth to that, but I also think it doesn't fully 54 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: explain this result. It's going to take a while to 55 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: figure it. 56 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: Out, but probably right what does he pose to the 57 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: country into the world. 58 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: I think the most important thing that is just shocking 59 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: to me and shocking to a lot of people right 60 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: now is Trump. I mean, this was a small de 61 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: democratic process. He won the popular vote, but the fact 62 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: remains the last time he ran for president, he lost 63 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: the vote, he incited an insurrection at the capitol to 64 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: try to undo the will of the people and sees 65 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: power even though he had lost an election and overturn 66 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: that election, and now voters have rewarded him with another 67 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: four years. That's a really scary thing. I mean, we 68 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: know this is not someone who cares about the peaceful 69 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 2: transfer of power. It's not somebody who cares about the Constitution. 70 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: And we're going to have to reckon with that as 71 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: a country. And because of America's place in the world, 72 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: I think the world is going to have to reckon 73 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: with what that means. And then I also think there's 74 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: America's place in the international order. You know, Trump has 75 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: talked about pulling out of NATO. He clearly is friendlier 76 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: with dictators like Putin and She of China and Kim 77 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: Jongan of North Korea then he is with democratically elected 78 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: leaders around the world. We don't know what's going to 79 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: happen next, but there's going to be real uncertainty, and 80 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: I would be surprised, pleasantly surprised, but surprised if it 81 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: ends well. 82 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, David, listen, thanks for talking us so it really 83 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: appreciate it, and go well. That's David Litt, former speechwriter 84 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: for Barack Obama. 85 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live to 86 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: news Talks. 87 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 88 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.