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Speaker 2: Hell are you great, New Zealands, And welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler Afternoon z B podcast. Whatever the name

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Speaker 2: of our show is. It is Monday, the ninth of

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Speaker 2: December and the year of our Lord twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Great show today, Tyler certainly was. We went deep into evs. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's.

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Speaker 2: An area we end up, and we end up whatever

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Speaker 2: we talk about, we end up going down a lithium

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Speaker 2: ion batteryhole.

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Speaker 3: A battery chat on this like a black hole for us.

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Speaker 3: We get dragged into the batteries and we got a

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Speaker 3: lot of shit for same battery. Battery and also too

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Speaker 3: many wolves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wolves and battery. Yeah, I say battery. I don't

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Speaker 2: have time. I'm a busy man. I don't have time

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Speaker 2: to make my teas like that. Battery.

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Speaker 3: I'm busy, so I need to say battery. Also, we

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Speaker 3: go deep.

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Speaker 2: Into gambling as well with the tab and Winston Peter's

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Speaker 2: looking at shutting down online gambling with the likes of

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Speaker 2: bet three, six five and such and making tab run

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Speaker 2: them apply here and that was a really great and

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Speaker 2: interesting chat.

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Speaker 3: So I think you're.

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Speaker 2: Going to enjoy it anyway, follow set, download, subscribe, tell

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Speaker 2: your mates and enjoy the show.

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Speaker 3: You seem busy, will let you go. Give Metasta Kiwi your.

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Speaker 1: New home for instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie and

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Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons on news talk zebby.

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Speaker 3: Well, get a to you. Welcome into the show Monday.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to matt and Tyler. We're with you until

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Speaker 3: four pm. Get a mattes getay Tyler. How are you fantastic?

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Speaker 3: Two weeks to go until we wrap up? Getting pretty

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Speaker 3: close to Christmas on filling in the Christmas vibe. Yes, same.

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Speaker 2: I ate so much on Saturday that I basically spent

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Speaker 2: Sunday lying on the couch holding my tummy.

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Speaker 3: That is Christmas Baby, and that's what we love about it.

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Speaker 3: But a big show for you today after three o'clock,

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Speaker 3: we want to have a chat about weddings. A lot

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Speaker 3: in the wedding industry and businesses they are worried a

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Speaker 3: hit of the summer season, which is traditionally wedding season,

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Speaker 3: that a lot of people are cutting down on the costs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a problem, isn't it if you're in

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Speaker 2: the business. But why do people have just spent so

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Speaker 2: much money on weddings? And how can you run a

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Speaker 2: cheaper wedding because surely it's all about the heart. Does

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Speaker 2: it really matter if it's just in the backyard at

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Speaker 2: your parents' house with a trestle table and some sausage

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Speaker 2: rolls and some drinks.

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Speaker 3: Not to me, but maybe to the bride. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's going to be the question we put to you

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Speaker 3: after three o'clock, because that's a question. Is bankrupting yourself

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Speaker 3: at the start of your marriage a good sign or

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Speaker 3: a bad sign? Is it good because you've spent so

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Speaker 3: much money to signify how important this relationship is and

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Speaker 3: how long it's going to last? Or is it bad

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Speaker 3: because you've started off with an evacuous, massive expense that

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Speaker 3: then cripples your marriage going forward. Yeah, big question up

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Speaker 3: at three o'clock. After two o'clock, this will be interesting.

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Speaker 3: Hoston Peters says he wants to change the legislation to

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Speaker 3: make THAB the only sport and racing betting organization that

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Speaker 3: can operate online in New Zealand. As we know, there's

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Speaker 3: a myriad of international betting websites that you can use

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Speaker 3: whatever you're betting on. A portion of those funds go

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Speaker 2: Plus it's regulated around harm as well, so it's looking

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you've bet on basketball in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: But if we are going to gamble, wasn't it better

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So EV prices are plummeting. Some yards

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Speaker 2: So are we falling out of love with EV's And yeah,

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Speaker 3: Be Yeah, and why because the range anxiety? No, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't feel like it's the future as much

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Speaker 3: We've saved a lot. Well, I've saved a lot on

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Speaker 2: And if you were like me and you always thought

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about EV's. Has New Zealand fallen out

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Speaker 2: text here that came through A nine two one to

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Speaker 2: If we want to woo, we will woo. So it's

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Speaker 2: I've had an EV for four years and wouldn't change

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Speaker 2: That's aside from the cost savings on maintenance and to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a great point because I forgot that

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Speaker 3: selling point for me. I hate doing that, taking it

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Speaker 2: But what if the mechanics. Who's going to employ mechanics,

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Cyanara, I'm sorry, but I'm told I'm having

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Speaker 3: I yeah, mate, you you're not sold on the EVS.

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Speaker 4: No, not at all. I think you know, if if

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Speaker 4: But the second and I say he gets it after

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Speaker 4: get a to get a battery in that. I was

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Speaker 3: Ded B twenty four past one. We're asking you the

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Speaker 3: Because it's not just down to the removal of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they weigh a ton, so they need to

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Speaker 3: They certainly do. Daniel, how are you?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? Well, how are you good?

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Speaker 3: So you you've got a great little commuter EV do you? No?

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Speaker 8: I don't own that EV. I was personally going to say,

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Speaker 3: Oh, Daniel, bless you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, and hey and Daniel, you're a great

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my friends, my mate who drives an EV, he

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Speaker 3: That's mates.

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Speaker 2: He was going to me, it's like driving a steam engine.

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Speaker 2: And I think there is a better thing.

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Speaker 8: Do you think where if you think one of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's just as a whole a whole lot

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Speaker 2: But it feels good. Yeah, I mean there's a power.

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Speaker 3: You love that rumble underfore Oh exactly.

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Speaker 3: what's your combustion vehicle? You got at the moment?

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Speaker 8: Well down a little suits, it's a it's a two

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Speaker 8: But but again it's got twenty horse pound only weighs

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Speaker 8: a thousand kilos, So yeah that's great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good on you. I'll think if you called Daniel,

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Speaker 3: you're a great New Zealander. Hither you're not sold on today,

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Speaker 3: You're not sold on the ev situation.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 11: There's supposed to be a caring country, right yeah, care

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Speaker 11: right right, Where do you think? Where do you think

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Speaker 4: Batteries go to?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: The batteries go to here is bye.

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Speaker 11: We've been told officially there is a hangar out by

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Speaker 3: Well, I hope that doesn't go up. That'll burn forever.

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Speaker 11: And I've heard this from a few mechanics. There's a

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Speaker 11: to dig those things out? Little part out?

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Speaker 4: Who?

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Speaker 10: Kids?

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Speaker 4: Kids?

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Speaker 13: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Saying that at the start, Kimy.

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Speaker 11: We're sposed healing country and looking after every body.

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Speaker 9: What to oad a crop?

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Speaker 2: at the other end, what we do with the batteries.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I know, I know, it's just

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Speaker 2: What do we do with the batteries? But I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I don't actually know if you have a dead EV

439
00:20:05,173 --> 00:20:06,853
Speaker 2: battery and how many of them are out there now,

440
00:20:06,893 --> 00:20:08,333
Speaker 2: because you know there's going to be more and more

441
00:20:08,413 --> 00:20:11,693
Speaker 2: going forward into the future as EV's become more prevalent.

442
00:20:12,093 --> 00:20:13,613
Speaker 2: But where are they going? Do you know, Tyler, where

443
00:20:13,613 --> 00:20:14,373
Speaker 2: your one's going to end up?

444
00:20:14,373 --> 00:20:17,333
Speaker 3: Well, apparently this massive hanger somewhere in all climbs according

445
00:20:17,373 --> 00:20:21,333
Speaker 3: to but either you know it's yeah, it's a few point.

446
00:20:21,973 --> 00:20:23,973
Speaker 11: Go and talk redispos don't tell you.

447
00:20:24,133 --> 00:20:28,213
Speaker 3: Well, well, two things is two things here that you're

448
00:20:28,253 --> 00:20:30,333
Speaker 3: you're raked up about this. This is good love your passion.

449
00:20:30,693 --> 00:20:33,333
Speaker 3: That the old battery technology, you're quite right that leaves

450
00:20:33,373 --> 00:20:35,493
Speaker 3: and whatnot. There wasn't too much they could do with

451
00:20:35,893 --> 00:20:37,653
Speaker 3: those old batteries. As I understand that a lot of

452
00:20:37,653 --> 00:20:40,293
Speaker 3: the new technology you can you can replace parts of

453
00:20:40,333 --> 00:20:42,573
Speaker 3: the cell that dies within a battery, so you don't

454
00:20:42,613 --> 00:20:45,413
Speaker 3: have to replace the whole battery replace part of the cell,

455
00:20:45,453 --> 00:20:47,413
Speaker 3: which is a far more efficient way to do it.

456
00:20:47,493 --> 00:20:50,453
Speaker 3: But also here the lithium batteries are not just confined

457
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Speaker 3: to evs. If you've got a phone, if you've got

458
00:20:52,413 --> 00:20:57,293
Speaker 3: a laptop, there's yeah. So those kids are still digging

459
00:20:57,333 --> 00:20:57,693
Speaker 3: up there with.

460
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Speaker 11: Them, I know, but he gets some part out.

461
00:21:02,373 --> 00:21:02,933
Speaker 10: Of the ground.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Hey, thank you so much for your call

463
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Speaker 2: here that I like. I experienced battery dissented ration firsthand

464
00:21:09,693 --> 00:21:12,893
Speaker 2: over the weekend when I got out some lights Christmas

465
00:21:12,973 --> 00:21:15,493
Speaker 2: lights to put the outdoor Christmas lights, and I hadn't

466
00:21:15,533 --> 00:21:18,173
Speaker 2: taken the AA batteries out over the year, and there

467
00:21:18,253 --> 00:21:21,213
Speaker 2: was just brown battery esid all through my Christmas lights

468
00:21:21,413 --> 00:21:23,733
Speaker 2: and I had to throw them out. So I'm a

469
00:21:23,813 --> 00:21:26,413
Speaker 2: victim of battery disintegration right now.

470
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Speaker 3: Are you coming around with the old battery ski You

471
00:21:28,373 --> 00:21:30,093
Speaker 3: gotta be worried about batteries in this world.

472
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Speaker 2: I think they're removing the AA batteries if you're going

473
00:21:33,493 --> 00:21:36,453
Speaker 2: to leave something unused for a year. Has been stuff

474
00:21:36,453 --> 00:21:37,333
Speaker 2: we've known for a long time.

475
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

476
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Speaker 3: number to call. It is twenty nine to two.

477
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Speaker 14: US Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

478
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Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. MPI confirms two hundred

479
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Speaker 14: thousand birds will now be killed at an Otago egg

480
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Speaker 14: farm managed by Mainland Poultry infected with bird flu. Four

481
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Speaker 14: sheds have tested positive and forty thousand chickens and a

482
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Speaker 14: separate building will also be culled as a precaution. O

483
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Speaker 14: Cruz are fortifying the perimeter as they battle are contained

484
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Speaker 14: one hundred and thirty four hectare blaze in West Melton

485
00:22:15,013 --> 00:22:19,773
Speaker 14: strong winds of forecast. At least sixteen people, including two youths,

486
00:22:19,813 --> 00:22:23,253
Speaker 14: have been arrested in vehicles impounded after a dirt bike

487
00:22:23,373 --> 00:22:28,013
Speaker 14: convoy through Auckland's or Tarta yesterday. Kiwi Bank has cut

488
00:22:28,053 --> 00:22:31,533
Speaker 14: mortgage and deposit rates across the board, following other banks.

489
00:22:32,093 --> 00:22:34,933
Speaker 14: Ninety percent of new mortgage lending in October was on

490
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Speaker 14: floating rates or fixed for a year or under. Greenpeace

491
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Speaker 14: is applauding the Green Party's promise to act on dairy

492
00:22:42,973 --> 00:22:47,333
Speaker 14: sector pollution with a policy requiring agricultural processes to enter

493
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Speaker 14: the emission's trading scheme from twenty twenty six and report

494
00:22:51,453 --> 00:22:56,133
Speaker 14: on farm emissions, government funds brand new schools for some

495
00:22:56,173 --> 00:22:59,413
Speaker 14: of the nation's fastest growing suburbs. You can read more

496
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Speaker 14: at Ensen Heerrald Premium. Back to Matteathan Tyler Adams.

497
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean. We're talking about why we're

498
00:23:05,293 --> 00:23:09,053
Speaker 3: falling out of love with evs. The prices have been

499
00:23:09,133 --> 00:23:13,493
Speaker 3: heavily discounted across the board, sometimes as much as forty percent,

500
00:23:13,773 --> 00:23:16,973
Speaker 3: and in terms of sale numbers drastically dropped. Fourteen point

501
00:23:17,013 --> 00:23:21,133
Speaker 3: five percent of car sales last year was EV's this

502
00:23:21,333 --> 00:23:24,493
Speaker 3: year five percent, just five percent, So that's a big drop.

503
00:23:24,573 --> 00:23:27,693
Speaker 2: And there are some headlines for evs such as the

504
00:23:27,773 --> 00:23:32,453
Speaker 2: road user chargers and the clean car discount being removed.

505
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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of talking about batteries this morning,

506
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Speaker 2: and this is an interesting text that came through. Interesting

507
00:23:37,333 --> 00:23:40,173
Speaker 2: that people talk about the battery ethics like the oil

508
00:23:40,213 --> 00:23:41,573
Speaker 2: industry is entirely ethical.

509
00:23:41,893 --> 00:23:45,373
Speaker 3: It's a good point. It's a good point. Yeah, good call, Jeff.

510
00:23:45,693 --> 00:23:49,973
Speaker 3: You were or you're not sold on evs, and you reckon, reckon.

511
00:23:50,013 --> 00:23:51,453
Speaker 3: The early adopters made a mistake.

512
00:23:53,893 --> 00:23:55,733
Speaker 5: It's not that I'm not so much sold on them.

513
00:23:55,813 --> 00:23:59,933
Speaker 5: I think, as you guys say, you know, certainly the

514
00:23:59,973 --> 00:24:03,813
Speaker 5: introduction of ruck dargers and the removal of the coin

515
00:24:03,893 --> 00:24:07,333
Speaker 5: car discount. I suspect they had a pretty hige effect,

516
00:24:08,333 --> 00:24:11,093
Speaker 5: and I think a lot of people sort of rushed

517
00:24:11,133 --> 00:24:15,893
Speaker 5: them early when evs came into play, like a lot

518
00:24:15,893 --> 00:24:18,293
Speaker 5: of them were important and just being back in the

519
00:24:18,333 --> 00:24:21,893
Speaker 5: early days we had you know this and leaves were

520
00:24:21,893 --> 00:24:26,733
Speaker 5: the biggest popular rightem prius Is certainly, I mean around

521
00:24:26,813 --> 00:24:30,733
Speaker 5: town used to drive them and they had a pretty

522
00:24:30,773 --> 00:24:33,253
Speaker 5: high failure rate, so that could be part of it.

523
00:24:35,173 --> 00:24:37,933
Speaker 5: And the other reason I think is probably lack of

524
00:24:38,013 --> 00:24:44,813
Speaker 5: charging ports on long distance routes. Yeah, if you're going,

525
00:24:45,333 --> 00:24:47,213
Speaker 5: for instance, if you say you want to go to

526
00:24:47,253 --> 00:24:49,773
Speaker 5: Kye Terry right from christ Jurgy, you want to go

527
00:24:49,893 --> 00:24:56,133
Speaker 5: through the Lewis through the land Road, you'd be struggling

528
00:24:56,573 --> 00:24:57,973
Speaker 5: the charging ports there.

529
00:24:58,933 --> 00:25:00,532
Speaker 3: You've got to go through Lewis at least once in

530
00:25:00,533 --> 00:25:02,253
Speaker 3: your life, definitely, but you've got to spend a lot

531
00:25:02,253 --> 00:25:04,453
Speaker 3: of time in me There's nothing wrong with Merchison, but

532
00:25:04,493 --> 00:25:06,693
Speaker 3: there's a big line for that one EV churcher and

533
00:25:06,773 --> 00:25:09,413
Speaker 3: merch You've got to go through Lewis once Arth has

534
00:25:09,453 --> 00:25:10,413
Speaker 3: passed once as well.

535
00:25:10,533 --> 00:25:13,093
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, And the other thing that I was going

536
00:25:13,133 --> 00:25:18,933
Speaker 5: to mention that we're working off a very aging grid,

537
00:25:19,253 --> 00:25:22,413
Speaker 5: by the way, the power grid, and I don't think

538
00:25:22,413 --> 00:25:26,093
Speaker 5: anyone's paid too much attention to how many EV stations

539
00:25:26,093 --> 00:25:28,133
Speaker 5: can you plug into a grid that was built in

540
00:25:28,173 --> 00:25:34,733
Speaker 5: the nineteen sixties hasn't really really had much until it,

541
00:25:35,053 --> 00:25:39,973
Speaker 5: to be honest. Yeah, there's all those sorts of considerations

542
00:25:39,973 --> 00:25:42,773
Speaker 5: for the battery side of the things. Like you guys said,

543
00:25:42,773 --> 00:25:48,893
Speaker 5: it's getting better. The battery technology is getting better. There

544
00:25:48,893 --> 00:25:50,813
Speaker 5: are places up in the North Island. I used to

545
00:25:50,853 --> 00:25:52,893
Speaker 5: be in the automotive trade, so I know this place

546
00:25:52,973 --> 00:25:56,973
Speaker 5: up in the North either isolate damaged cells and can

547
00:25:57,093 --> 00:26:02,413
Speaker 5: replace them without having to dip the whole battery. That

548
00:26:02,413 --> 00:26:04,373
Speaker 5: that technology exist in New Zealand.

549
00:26:04,413 --> 00:26:08,532
Speaker 2: Now that's true because I was just reading and this

550
00:26:08,653 --> 00:26:11,733
Speaker 2: article I was reading that said unfortunately, they're currently no

551
00:26:11,773 --> 00:26:14,733
Speaker 2: facilities in New Zealand for recycling electric vehicle batteries. This

552
00:26:14,813 --> 00:26:17,853
Speaker 2: means they must be exported to a special facility in Australia,

553
00:26:17,893 --> 00:26:19,693
Speaker 2: which involves different types of transports.

554
00:26:20,573 --> 00:26:26,253
Speaker 5: I could be wrong, but the last time I sold

555
00:26:26,253 --> 00:26:28,413
Speaker 5: a business recently this for rele of them is a

556
00:26:28,493 --> 00:26:31,373
Speaker 5: singer station owner. We used to get fat through from

557
00:26:31,413 --> 00:26:34,453
Speaker 5: the Motor Trace Association. So there would be articles in

558
00:26:34,533 --> 00:26:37,013
Speaker 5: there that said the rugs in New Zealand. I could

559
00:26:37,053 --> 00:26:43,493
Speaker 5: be wrong that are actually recycling EV batteries. Yeah, but

560
00:26:43,653 --> 00:26:47,133
Speaker 5: either way it's a teaper option. And like your previous

561
00:26:47,213 --> 00:26:53,413
Speaker 5: course said, replacing a eight nine krie.

562
00:26:53,733 --> 00:26:56,653
Speaker 3: Just on the number of EV charges around the country.

563
00:26:56,733 --> 00:26:59,573
Speaker 3: Remember National floated that policy when they got rid of

564
00:26:59,573 --> 00:27:01,773
Speaker 3: the clean card discount. They said our new policy is

565
00:27:01,773 --> 00:27:04,933
Speaker 3: going to be installing ten thousand new charges up and

566
00:27:04,973 --> 00:27:07,853
Speaker 3: down the country. I think that's died a quiet death.

567
00:27:08,613 --> 00:27:10,693
Speaker 2: Isn't that a punishing way to do it? So that's

568
00:27:10,773 --> 00:27:12,653
Speaker 2: why I wouldn't give an EV. I hate the idea

569
00:27:12,693 --> 00:27:15,493
Speaker 2: of parking my car somewhere strange and just charging it. Yeah,

570
00:27:16,853 --> 00:27:18,813
Speaker 2: I I'm charging it at home. I wouldn't want anything

571
00:27:18,813 --> 00:27:21,333
Speaker 2: to do with that, just dropping.

572
00:27:21,013 --> 00:27:21,812
Speaker 3: It off and coming back.

573
00:27:22,893 --> 00:27:23,133
Speaker 14: Yeah.

574
00:27:23,413 --> 00:27:25,733
Speaker 5: The last I heard on that project for ten thalersand

575
00:27:25,853 --> 00:27:29,853
Speaker 5: charges was there was a company in New Zealand. I

576
00:27:29,853 --> 00:27:32,813
Speaker 5: think they're astraight. I could be wrong, and most could be,

577
00:27:33,813 --> 00:27:38,133
Speaker 5: but that installed as many charges and you see as

578
00:27:38,133 --> 00:27:40,213
Speaker 5: they could, and then they bug it off to Australia

579
00:27:40,253 --> 00:27:43,693
Speaker 5: and started don't work over there because I don't know

580
00:27:43,773 --> 00:27:46,693
Speaker 5: if it was part of the ten tails and charger operation,

581
00:27:46,853 --> 00:27:49,733
Speaker 5: but they said that's all we can install at the

582
00:27:49,773 --> 00:27:51,773
Speaker 5: stage because the infrastructions that's not okay.

583
00:27:51,933 --> 00:27:54,933
Speaker 9: Well I don't know if that's true or not.

584
00:27:55,253 --> 00:27:57,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeff, thank you very much, mate. You made some

585
00:27:57,973 --> 00:28:01,213
Speaker 3: great points. And just on the old charger situation. Now,

586
00:28:01,653 --> 00:28:03,532
Speaker 3: this was some time ago that we were charging up

587
00:28:03,573 --> 00:28:05,853
Speaker 3: and twice or with our WEPHGV and we got told

588
00:28:05,893 --> 00:28:07,973
Speaker 3: off by someone who drove in with the Tesla saying

589
00:28:08,173 --> 00:28:10,173
Speaker 3: you shouldn't be here. You got to plug in. You've

590
00:28:10,173 --> 00:28:12,053
Speaker 3: got petrol you can use. Can we the charger?

591
00:28:12,773 --> 00:28:13,053
Speaker 7: Sorry?

592
00:28:13,133 --> 00:28:15,373
Speaker 3: Mate, I'm going to wait until I'm done. Tough, tough,

593
00:28:15,493 --> 00:28:16,133
Speaker 3: really yeah.

594
00:28:16,013 --> 00:28:18,133
Speaker 2: Tought to wait to just throw hands.

595
00:28:18,773 --> 00:28:20,453
Speaker 3: No, we didn't throw hands in the end, they got

596
00:28:20,493 --> 00:28:22,493
Speaker 3: really grumpy, jump back in the testa and just had

597
00:28:22,533 --> 00:28:25,373
Speaker 3: to wait. Really yeah, I mean, you can't do that.

598
00:28:25,813 --> 00:28:28,253
Speaker 3: It's not exactly. It doesn't get to judge how you

599
00:28:28,493 --> 00:28:30,693
Speaker 3: drive or what you need to charge. That's what I said.

600
00:28:30,733 --> 00:28:33,093
Speaker 3: I said, Look, I'm plugged in and it's charging. You wait, buddy.

601
00:28:33,133 --> 00:28:35,053
Speaker 2: Although we had that little dispute before or I wanted

602
00:28:35,093 --> 00:28:37,292
Speaker 2: to charge my phone plug into this little socket here,

603
00:28:37,613 --> 00:28:39,413
Speaker 2: and then you were like, what percented you on because

604
00:28:39,413 --> 00:28:41,773
Speaker 2: you had a because you had a lower percentage, you

605
00:28:41,813 --> 00:28:43,933
Speaker 2: were trying to claim it was your Yeah, your right

606
00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:44,613
Speaker 2: to charge first.

607
00:28:45,733 --> 00:28:49,653
Speaker 3: I know that was higher demand than your fifty eight

608
00:28:49,653 --> 00:28:51,413
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

609
00:28:51,893 --> 00:28:53,973
Speaker 3: ninety two. Ninety two is the text number as well.

610
00:28:54,053 --> 00:28:56,573
Speaker 3: It is nineteen to two. Yeah, and now we'll address

611
00:28:56,573 --> 00:28:57,133
Speaker 3: this in a second.

612
00:28:57,173 --> 00:28:58,813
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people texting through saying there's a

613
00:28:58,893 --> 00:29:01,973
Speaker 2: lot of misinformation about these EV batteries.

614
00:29:02,013 --> 00:29:03,213
Speaker 3: So we're trying to dress.

615
00:29:03,053 --> 00:29:05,373
Speaker 2: Those and go to some people that are bringing up

616
00:29:05,413 --> 00:29:09,093
Speaker 2: with those kind of complaints coming up soon at eighteen eighty.

617
00:29:10,133 --> 00:29:10,933
Speaker 7: Have a chat with the.

618
00:29:10,973 --> 00:29:15,253
Speaker 1: Boys on eight hundred and eight and Taylor Adams afternoons

619
00:29:15,533 --> 00:29:18,093
Speaker 1: you for twenty twenty four news Talk said.

620
00:29:17,893 --> 00:29:21,293
Speaker 3: Be news Talks there b it is sixteen to two,

621
00:29:21,533 --> 00:29:23,253
Speaker 3: so EV sales are way down.

622
00:29:23,293 --> 00:29:25,733
Speaker 2: On twenty twenty three, have we fallen out of love

623
00:29:25,853 --> 00:29:29,333
Speaker 2: with EV's in New Zealand? And if so, why murray

624
00:29:29,373 --> 00:29:30,173
Speaker 2: you're a hybrid lover?

625
00:29:31,253 --> 00:29:32,333
Speaker 4: And how are you mate?

626
00:29:32,973 --> 00:29:33,373
Speaker 3: Very good?

627
00:29:34,973 --> 00:29:39,333
Speaker 4: Hey, Look look you know when they when they decided

628
00:29:39,373 --> 00:29:42,053
Speaker 4: to give up the horse and cart because some people

629
00:29:42,173 --> 00:29:45,653
Speaker 4: decided to go to these funny combustion each of us.

630
00:29:46,093 --> 00:29:46,973
Speaker 3: Awk.

631
00:29:49,773 --> 00:29:52,773
Speaker 4: Yeah, the horseless carriage was that it was the new thing.

632
00:29:53,653 --> 00:29:56,293
Speaker 4: They didn't their people stations and all the and the

633
00:29:56,373 --> 00:30:00,613
Speaker 4: infrastructure to fuel them and stuff in the beginning, But

634
00:30:00,853 --> 00:30:05,733
Speaker 4: enough people took the punt retired their horse, and the

635
00:30:06,093 --> 00:30:11,253
Speaker 4: the combustion engine got better and better because people took

636
00:30:11,333 --> 00:30:14,333
Speaker 4: the plunge. And that's thrik. Vehicles are the same thing,

637
00:30:14,933 --> 00:30:20,053
Speaker 4: you know, Yeah, okay, they every every new technology always

638
00:30:21,013 --> 00:30:24,253
Speaker 4: has problems as it gets further and further embedded into

639
00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:27,653
Speaker 4: the culture. But the question is is it going to

640
00:30:27,693 --> 00:30:31,973
Speaker 4: be better than the technology that you're giving up? And

641
00:30:32,493 --> 00:30:36,773
Speaker 4: and you know the you're talking about the lithium the

642
00:30:36,853 --> 00:30:41,653
Speaker 4: lithium ion battery, right, there's a there's a professor, professor

643
00:30:41,733 --> 00:30:45,533
Speaker 4: good enough, and he's in his twenties. He was part

644
00:30:45,533 --> 00:30:48,933
Speaker 4: of the team that developed the random access memory chip

645
00:30:49,013 --> 00:30:53,773
Speaker 4: for computers. He invented the lithium iron battery in his

646
00:30:54,093 --> 00:30:58,093
Speaker 4: fifties and a couple of years ago got the Nobel

647
00:30:58,333 --> 00:31:03,973
Speaker 4: Peace Prize for developing a battery based on silicon sand

648
00:31:04,173 --> 00:31:10,053
Speaker 4: from the from from the beach yep completely renewed resource. Right,

649
00:31:10,533 --> 00:31:14,013
Speaker 4: it's a conceptual. He shown the concept works. It'll be

650
00:31:14,173 --> 00:31:17,653
Speaker 4: years before they start putting them into cars and stuff

651
00:31:17,733 --> 00:31:21,773
Speaker 4: like that. There'll be other problems ahead, but you keep

652
00:31:21,893 --> 00:31:25,453
Speaker 4: pushing forward because that's how we get better.

653
00:31:25,973 --> 00:31:28,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's this.

654
00:31:30,533 --> 00:31:33,213
Speaker 4: It's not perfect. It's never perfect the first time.

655
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but do you think I guess one of the

656
00:31:35,653 --> 00:31:39,693
Speaker 2: uptakes with you know, moving to the horseless carriage and

657
00:31:39,933 --> 00:31:41,213
Speaker 2: I've read these really amazing things.

658
00:31:41,253 --> 00:31:41,653
Speaker 3: The first time.

659
00:31:41,693 --> 00:31:43,453
Speaker 2: People used to see them because they've never seen anything

660
00:31:43,533 --> 00:31:46,613
Speaker 2: moving on its own, and they used to freak people out.

661
00:31:46,853 --> 00:31:47,733
Speaker 3: And I get that.

662
00:31:48,173 --> 00:31:51,533
Speaker 2: But the thing that the ev charging the battery has

663
00:31:51,653 --> 00:31:53,973
Speaker 2: is the time it takes to do it. Whereas you know,

664
00:31:54,133 --> 00:31:56,173
Speaker 2: you can stop off at a service station that's annoying enough,

665
00:31:56,213 --> 00:31:58,773
Speaker 2: but you can get that done in three minutes, and

666
00:31:58,933 --> 00:32:02,693
Speaker 2: so for a lot of people like me, when that

667
00:32:02,853 --> 00:32:08,613
Speaker 2: technology needs to move on. Also, ROP Professor Goodenough passed

668
00:32:08,613 --> 00:32:13,253
Speaker 2: away at one hundred in July last June last year, soon.

669
00:32:13,253 --> 00:32:16,493
Speaker 3: An accomplished man looking at his his CV there. Yeah,

670
00:32:16,693 --> 00:32:18,373
Speaker 3: very very clever, great name.

671
00:32:18,293 --> 00:32:24,573
Speaker 4: As well, amazing from Texas. I believe he was from

672
00:32:25,053 --> 00:32:31,973
Speaker 4: the very tour I paid fourteen grand from my Honda

673
00:32:32,093 --> 00:32:36,493
Speaker 4: Insight thirteen years ago. I've replaced one hundred and fifty

674
00:32:36,533 --> 00:32:40,333
Speaker 4: dollars wipe of blade, tires and servicing, you know, breaks

675
00:32:40,413 --> 00:32:43,653
Speaker 4: and servicing and tires and stuff. It just hasn't stopped.

676
00:32:44,333 --> 00:32:46,573
Speaker 4: And it runs on the smell of an early rag.

677
00:32:46,653 --> 00:32:48,373
Speaker 4: It was the reason we bought it. I was like

678
00:32:48,973 --> 00:32:52,293
Speaker 4: having to commute a lot to get to work, and

679
00:32:52,493 --> 00:32:55,573
Speaker 4: it was like, nascrew this. I'm going to find some

680
00:32:55,773 --> 00:33:00,333
Speaker 4: that's got some real economics. The thing still runs on

681
00:33:00,413 --> 00:33:02,693
Speaker 4: the smell of an oily rag thirteen years later. It's

682
00:33:02,853 --> 00:33:05,613
Speaker 4: just about at the end of its life now. And

683
00:33:05,733 --> 00:33:09,573
Speaker 4: the battery, you know, I mean, it's a battery petrol hybrid.

684
00:33:10,573 --> 00:33:14,133
Speaker 4: And but you don't get the next version of it

685
00:33:14,413 --> 00:33:16,213
Speaker 4: unless you buy this one, you know what I mean.

686
00:33:16,293 --> 00:33:19,813
Speaker 4: You don't. Someone doesn't build a better mouse trap until

687
00:33:19,813 --> 00:33:22,293
Speaker 4: you start buying the first type of mouse trap.

688
00:33:22,413 --> 00:33:24,693
Speaker 3: YEP makes a lot of sense. Early adopters, and someone's

689
00:33:24,733 --> 00:33:26,533
Speaker 3: got to be an early adopter, right the first people

690
00:33:26,613 --> 00:33:30,093
Speaker 3: that bought the very original I phone. And you look

691
00:33:30,173 --> 00:33:32,013
Speaker 3: back at that iPhone now and you think what a

692
00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:34,213
Speaker 3: load of crap that was compared to the new iPhones.

693
00:33:34,253 --> 00:33:36,213
Speaker 3: But that you know, I don't know if i'd be

694
00:33:36,293 --> 00:33:38,773
Speaker 3: considered an early adopter, but as I said before, I've

695
00:33:38,813 --> 00:33:40,693
Speaker 3: kind of paid the price now that the car we

696
00:33:40,933 --> 00:33:44,493
Speaker 3: purchased has been discounted by about twenty k.

697
00:33:45,533 --> 00:33:48,933
Speaker 2: Well, I've gone down a Professor John B. Goodenough rabbit

698
00:33:48,973 --> 00:33:51,173
Speaker 2: hole here an interesting life. Oh my god, what a

699
00:33:51,213 --> 00:33:54,733
Speaker 2: brilliant man born in Germany in nineteen twenty two. Very

700
00:33:54,853 --> 00:33:55,573
Speaker 2: very smart guy.

701
00:33:55,773 --> 00:34:00,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, physicists that converted to Christianity. Interestingly enough. Yeah, brilliant Neil.

702
00:34:00,453 --> 00:34:03,013
Speaker 3: You want to have a chat about batteries and maybe

703
00:34:03,093 --> 00:34:06,453
Speaker 3: clear up some information holes that we've had.

704
00:34:07,733 --> 00:34:11,493
Speaker 10: Yeah, just listening to the last quater Garry I think

705
00:34:11,533 --> 00:34:14,453
Speaker 10: his name was, Yeah, sort of. He's nailing it a bit.

706
00:34:15,733 --> 00:34:20,453
Speaker 10: The whole point about these batteries, when people say that recyclable,

707
00:34:20,693 --> 00:34:23,573
Speaker 10: there is huge, big plants being created overseas. I believe

708
00:34:23,613 --> 00:34:26,213
Speaker 10: there's a big plant in Finland that is set up

709
00:34:26,293 --> 00:34:30,373
Speaker 10: to take all the liviyuan batteries they can get hold of,

710
00:34:30,533 --> 00:34:35,333
Speaker 10: to recycle the livy amount of them and generate new batteries.

711
00:34:35,693 --> 00:34:39,613
Speaker 10: You've got to understand that the amount of batteries that

712
00:34:39,653 --> 00:34:42,453
Speaker 10: are needed to be replaced right now is very very small,

713
00:34:42,813 --> 00:34:45,893
Speaker 10: particularly in New Zealand. You know, cars aren't wearing out

714
00:34:45,933 --> 00:34:49,013
Speaker 10: their batteries much. I mean, I've got a Tesla. I'm

715
00:34:49,053 --> 00:34:51,333
Speaker 10: believed that I'm going to have at least fifteen years

716
00:34:51,413 --> 00:34:53,333
Speaker 10: of life out of that battery before I get down

717
00:34:53,373 --> 00:34:56,213
Speaker 10: to eighty percent. So it's going to last. It's going

718
00:34:56,253 --> 00:34:59,333
Speaker 10: to take twenty five years maybe before that battery and

719
00:34:59,413 --> 00:35:02,973
Speaker 10: that Tearessla is going to need replacing. Over that time.

720
00:35:03,333 --> 00:35:07,013
Speaker 10: There's going to be organizations, whether it be Tesla or

721
00:35:07,373 --> 00:35:09,613
Speaker 10: looking after their own batteries or what have you, that

722
00:35:09,693 --> 00:35:13,053
Speaker 10: are going to be taking those old batteries and they

723
00:35:13,093 --> 00:35:16,053
Speaker 10: will be recycling. They may put them in containers and

724
00:35:16,093 --> 00:35:19,813
Speaker 10: ship them to Finland or Australia or wherever to be recycled.

725
00:35:20,253 --> 00:35:23,973
Speaker 10: It's not a problem. It's you know, you know all

726
00:35:24,053 --> 00:35:25,613
Speaker 10: these people that are throwing their hands in the air

727
00:35:25,653 --> 00:35:27,732
Speaker 10: and say, oh Libyan is terrible and all this kind

728
00:35:27,733 --> 00:35:28,693
Speaker 10: of nonsense.

729
00:35:29,733 --> 00:35:31,893
Speaker 2: Right right now, we can't recycle in New Zealand, but

730
00:35:31,973 --> 00:35:35,533
Speaker 2: you can. We can export to Australia to.

731
00:35:36,293 --> 00:35:39,693
Speaker 10: Basically, but we we have the number of cars that

732
00:35:39,893 --> 00:35:42,973
Speaker 10: needing battery replacements in New England is very, very small.

733
00:35:43,413 --> 00:35:46,933
Speaker 2: So when recycling what can they take out of when

734
00:35:46,973 --> 00:35:48,373
Speaker 2: they're recycling.

735
00:35:48,253 --> 00:35:52,613
Speaker 10: The the element liviyan doesn't disappear just as the battery

736
00:35:53,813 --> 00:35:56,053
Speaker 10: has reached the end of its life. The liviyum, the

737
00:35:56,213 --> 00:35:59,853
Speaker 10: quantity of liviyum and all the other rare earth metals

738
00:35:59,893 --> 00:36:02,933
Speaker 10: that they've actually put in these first generation the batteries

739
00:36:02,973 --> 00:36:05,813
Speaker 10: are still in the battery. So it's all it can

740
00:36:05,893 --> 00:36:09,213
Speaker 10: be all taken out, recycled, stript down to those basic

741
00:36:09,293 --> 00:36:12,093
Speaker 10: elements again and then re used again.

742
00:36:12,493 --> 00:36:15,653
Speaker 3: What's what's the one that people nil is that colbalt

743
00:36:15,773 --> 00:36:17,813
Speaker 3: I mentioned lithium before, you know, the lithium.

744
00:36:20,333 --> 00:36:22,253
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a there's a there's a number of rare

745
00:36:22,293 --> 00:36:25,173
Speaker 10: eous elements that he used in there. But you know,

746
00:36:25,293 --> 00:36:28,893
Speaker 10: Tesla as an example, is now talking about in the

747
00:36:28,973 --> 00:36:31,933
Speaker 10: next twelve months, moving away from living them altogether. They're

748
00:36:31,973 --> 00:36:35,373
Speaker 10: talking about sodium ion batteries. Well, sodium and iron are

749
00:36:35,453 --> 00:36:38,573
Speaker 10: two of the most common elements we've got in the

750
00:36:39,213 --> 00:36:43,933
Speaker 10: you know, on the planet, you know, and you don't

751
00:36:43,973 --> 00:36:48,653
Speaker 10: have to sort of have people in some countries, you know,

752
00:36:48,893 --> 00:36:53,013
Speaker 10: digging up livant the stuff. So you know, I'm just

753
00:36:53,373 --> 00:36:55,853
Speaker 10: I'm just not concerned about it. I'm saying not concerned

754
00:36:55,853 --> 00:36:58,613
Speaker 10: about it. But I've got I've got a petrol car,

755
00:36:58,733 --> 00:37:00,853
Speaker 10: another petrol car, and I'm probably going to replace that

756
00:37:00,933 --> 00:37:04,253
Speaker 10: with the second Tesla. You know, you don't spend anything

757
00:37:04,333 --> 00:37:06,813
Speaker 10: on maintenance on the on these things. I've had one

758
00:37:06,893 --> 00:37:12,533
Speaker 10: for maybe four years. It's absolutely perfect. You know, zero

759
00:37:13,173 --> 00:37:15,732
Speaker 10: zero problem hasn't had a service yet.

760
00:37:16,013 --> 00:37:16,212
Speaker 15: Yeah.

761
00:37:17,053 --> 00:37:17,893
Speaker 10: You know the idea of.

762
00:37:17,893 --> 00:37:19,733
Speaker 4: People saying you've got to replace brakes and them and

763
00:37:19,773 --> 00:37:22,053
Speaker 4: all this, you don't, I mean, yeah.

764
00:37:21,933 --> 00:37:23,573
Speaker 2: Good, I think you thank you if you call me

765
00:37:23,613 --> 00:37:27,133
Speaker 2: all that's interesting. So my understanding is batteries lose capacity

766
00:37:27,213 --> 00:37:30,613
Speaker 2: because stuff builds up on the on the.

767
00:37:32,133 --> 00:37:32,893
Speaker 3: Elect like so.

768
00:37:33,213 --> 00:37:36,973
Speaker 2: Builds up from the chemical reactions, right, yeah, so you

769
00:37:37,053 --> 00:37:39,093
Speaker 2: know it's filling up knocks and crannies and coating the

770
00:37:39,173 --> 00:37:41,733
Speaker 2: lithium material with sort of garbage.

771
00:37:41,813 --> 00:37:41,933
Speaker 4: Right.

772
00:37:42,453 --> 00:37:44,413
Speaker 2: So, I don't know enough about this. I'd love to

773
00:37:44,453 --> 00:37:47,172
Speaker 2: hear from something that does one hundred and eighteen eighty.

774
00:37:47,413 --> 00:37:49,973
Speaker 2: Can you clean that off and use the lithium again?

775
00:37:50,133 --> 00:37:51,653
Speaker 3: You think that would be the easy way to tell it,

776
00:37:51,653 --> 00:37:53,973
Speaker 3: wouldn't you just get in there with the hose and

777
00:37:54,053 --> 00:37:56,373
Speaker 3: hose or all that spray it down, all that build

778
00:37:56,453 --> 00:37:59,333
Speaker 3: up the byproducts. Yeah, if you know the answer. I

779
00:37:59,333 --> 00:38:01,053
Speaker 3: love to hear from you. The electrolyte. Oh eight one

780
00:38:01,093 --> 00:38:03,613
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

781
00:38:03,933 --> 00:38:06,853
Speaker 3: is eight to two back with more very shortly. You're

782
00:38:06,933 --> 00:38:08,453
Speaker 3: listening to Matton Tyler.

783
00:38:10,613 --> 00:38:15,493
Speaker 1: Mad Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight and

784
00:38:15,653 --> 00:38:17,133
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons.

785
00:38:17,413 --> 00:38:21,373
Speaker 3: News Talks, News talks. Here be five to two ticks here.

786
00:38:21,493 --> 00:38:24,933
Speaker 3: The word is batteries, not batteries. Are you sure betteries?

787
00:38:25,013 --> 00:38:25,212
Speaker 7: Yeah?

788
00:38:25,253 --> 00:38:30,053
Speaker 3: Batteries bettery that works better battery bettery. Do you how

789
00:38:30,053 --> 00:38:32,493
Speaker 3: do you say? How do you say? If I give

790
00:38:32,533 --> 00:38:34,693
Speaker 3: it away? How do you sell? Say? M I l k,

791
00:38:35,293 --> 00:38:38,813
Speaker 3: m I l k? Milk milk, milk, milk. There's no

792
00:38:38,933 --> 00:38:41,613
Speaker 3: silent now there. Yeah, from the South.

793
00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:43,732
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, because I come from the South,

794
00:38:44,453 --> 00:38:47,493
Speaker 2: people always got it's milk, not milk, mil lick. Yeah,

795
00:38:47,653 --> 00:38:49,733
Speaker 2: we don't speak the King's English. Yes, sorry, it's a

796
00:38:50,133 --> 00:38:51,533
Speaker 2: We can't believe they let.

797
00:38:51,493 --> 00:38:53,293
Speaker 3: Low born people like us on the airways that say

798
00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:56,493
Speaker 3: things like batteries instead of batteries. The world's gone mad,

799
00:38:56,613 --> 00:38:56,893
Speaker 3: isn't it.

800
00:38:57,053 --> 00:38:59,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, clean up the King King's English on the airwaves.

801
00:39:00,133 --> 00:39:04,973
Speaker 3: Quickly back to the batteries. Kiddy, guys, we're all early adopters.

802
00:39:05,013 --> 00:39:07,692
Speaker 3: We've all bought cars. The question is whether the next

803
00:39:07,733 --> 00:39:09,853
Speaker 3: development is with trading and what we've got. Most of

804
00:39:09,933 --> 00:39:11,653
Speaker 3: us just need a vehicle that does the job for

805
00:39:11,733 --> 00:39:14,213
Speaker 3: the most reasonable cost, and the cost don't add up

806
00:39:14,253 --> 00:39:17,493
Speaker 3: for electric when compared to modern economic petrol or diesel.

807
00:39:17,773 --> 00:39:20,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting one way, because whatever car you

808
00:39:20,293 --> 00:39:22,493
Speaker 2: buy in five years, it's going to be obsolete.

809
00:39:22,613 --> 00:39:23,533
Speaker 3: It's going to be obsolete.

810
00:39:23,973 --> 00:39:26,373
Speaker 2: Well, not necessarily mine cars. My car must be five

811
00:39:26,453 --> 00:39:28,293
Speaker 2: years old now four in twenty nineteen.

812
00:39:28,413 --> 00:39:31,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, new, it's beautiful vehicles, very well. I'm still impressed

813
00:39:31,733 --> 00:39:33,933
Speaker 3: with a lot of its features. But that is the danger,

814
00:39:33,973 --> 00:39:36,613
Speaker 3: isn't it? With something like this? Technology is always getting

815
00:39:36,653 --> 00:39:38,773
Speaker 3: better And they talk about these new batteries that are

816
00:39:38,813 --> 00:39:40,733
Speaker 3: going to last one thousand k before you need to

817
00:39:40,813 --> 00:39:42,893
Speaker 3: charge them up. But someone's got to take a punt

818
00:39:42,973 --> 00:39:45,133
Speaker 3: on the early technology for it to flour out of

819
00:39:45,133 --> 00:39:46,853
Speaker 3: that's right. You could wait till you're dead before you

820
00:39:46,933 --> 00:39:48,613
Speaker 3: try something, or you can get in early and have

821
00:39:48,733 --> 00:39:50,893
Speaker 3: some fun. Exactly we're going to carry this on.

822
00:39:51,133 --> 00:39:53,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty have we fallen

823
00:39:53,813 --> 00:39:56,413
Speaker 2: out of love with evs in New Zealand or is

824
00:39:56,933 --> 00:39:58,173
Speaker 2: your love just beginning?

825
00:39:58,573 --> 00:40:00,733
Speaker 3: New Sport and weather on its way. You're listening to

826
00:40:00,773 --> 00:40:05,053
Speaker 3: Matt and Tyler. Very very good afternoon to you, talking.

827
00:40:04,893 --> 00:40:08,493
Speaker 1: With you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams to

828
00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:11,853
Speaker 1: noons you for twenty twenty four news Talk ZIB.

829
00:40:13,253 --> 00:40:16,093
Speaker 3: We'll get a to you Monday afternoon, seven past too.

830
00:40:16,173 --> 00:40:19,093
Speaker 3: Welcome back into the program. Having a great shat about

831
00:40:19,453 --> 00:40:22,893
Speaker 3: our former love affair with EV's. It's dropped off considerably,

832
00:40:23,013 --> 00:40:26,653
Speaker 3: but also battery technology. Yeah, that's right. So EV sales

833
00:40:27,493 --> 00:40:31,053
Speaker 3: have dropped from fourteen point five percent of engine types

834
00:40:31,173 --> 00:40:34,093
Speaker 3: you know, diesels thirty percent, twenty nine percent petrol, twenty

835
00:40:34,133 --> 00:40:36,813
Speaker 3: six point five percent hybrid and fourteen point five percent

836
00:40:36,973 --> 00:40:39,893
Speaker 3: EV and twenty twenty three EV has now dropped down

837
00:40:39,933 --> 00:40:41,573
Speaker 3: to five percent. And you can put a bit of

838
00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:45,413
Speaker 3: that down to the click clean card discount, disappearing and

839
00:40:45,773 --> 00:40:49,373
Speaker 3: road user charges. But now the prices of some EV's

840
00:40:49,413 --> 00:40:52,013
Speaker 3: on lots are so low you'd be stupid not to

841
00:40:52,053 --> 00:40:55,173
Speaker 3: buy one. Heck here, well that's my thing in anyway,

842
00:40:55,253 --> 00:40:56,373
Speaker 3: and this.

843
00:40:56,453 --> 00:40:58,813
Speaker 2: You've got another reason not to guys. This is a

844
00:40:58,853 --> 00:41:00,573
Speaker 2: text nine two nine. So it's been a great discussion.

845
00:41:00,613 --> 00:41:01,333
Speaker 3: So far, so good.

846
00:41:01,333 --> 00:41:04,933
Speaker 2: We've decided to continue it on into the two o'clock hour. Guys,

847
00:41:04,973 --> 00:41:06,733
Speaker 2: the one important thing you are missing is weird does

848
00:41:06,773 --> 00:41:09,573
Speaker 2: the energy come from? North Island has one major hydro

849
00:41:09,693 --> 00:41:12,733
Speaker 2: system that is the Waycator River that barely keeps up

850
00:41:12,733 --> 00:41:15,933
Speaker 2: with demand in winter. Hence hunt they coal fire. Yeah,

851
00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:19,133
Speaker 2: I mean that's the whole, that's the thing. But I

852
00:41:19,213 --> 00:41:22,373
Speaker 2: guess that's I mean, that's another level back because because

853
00:41:22,373 --> 00:41:25,573
Speaker 2: some people buy EV's because they're cool and they're fast

854
00:41:26,053 --> 00:41:29,133
Speaker 2: and they love the talk on them, and some people

855
00:41:29,333 --> 00:41:32,933
Speaker 2: are buying them for the environmental because they believe they're

856
00:41:32,933 --> 00:41:35,253
Speaker 2: better for the environment. It's getting harder and harder to

857
00:41:35,413 --> 00:41:40,413
Speaker 2: argue the environmental value of EV's, but it's very easy

858
00:41:40,493 --> 00:41:41,933
Speaker 2: to argue how cool they are.

859
00:41:42,253 --> 00:41:44,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, those testas, Man, they've got some balls

860
00:41:44,813 --> 00:41:47,213
Speaker 3: on them. Quick text here, then we'll get back to

861
00:41:47,213 --> 00:41:50,533
Speaker 3: the phones. Hi, guys. Read my plug in Mitsubishi Eclipse.

862
00:41:50,653 --> 00:41:53,853
Speaker 3: I do a lot of part charging. Does that reduce

863
00:41:53,933 --> 00:41:56,333
Speaker 3: battery life as opposed to always charging it up to

864
00:41:56,373 --> 00:41:59,933
Speaker 3: a full charge? This is useful for a lot of

865
00:42:00,053 --> 00:42:02,573
Speaker 3: us drivers. From Jill well, good question, Jill. I don't know,

866
00:42:02,693 --> 00:42:04,973
Speaker 3: but I'm sure there's a battery expert out there that

867
00:42:05,093 --> 00:42:05,973
Speaker 3: does know.

868
00:42:08,333 --> 00:42:09,853
Speaker 2: It an interesting text as well. On nine two, nine two,

869
00:42:09,853 --> 00:42:11,853
Speaker 2: we'll get to the calls. We've got full lines. But

870
00:42:12,133 --> 00:42:14,253
Speaker 2: don't stop that. You don't let that stop you calling

871
00:42:14,453 --> 00:42:17,533
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighteen eighty Matt. There are seven one hundred

872
00:42:17,533 --> 00:42:19,973
Speaker 2: and four lithium iron cells and a TESTA three each

873
00:42:20,053 --> 00:42:21,333
Speaker 2: one is the size of an AA.

874
00:42:21,213 --> 00:42:25,252
Speaker 3: Battery, right, I'd never I never thought of it like that. Yeah,

875
00:42:26,453 --> 00:42:29,373
Speaker 3: that's that's quite something. They are cool cars. They want

876
00:42:29,453 --> 00:42:32,252
Speaker 3: they testla just the technology aspect of it. The first

877
00:42:32,293 --> 00:42:34,173
Speaker 3: time I jumped in one and I wasn't sold. But

878
00:42:34,293 --> 00:42:36,853
Speaker 3: then how do we got given a test drive? I

879
00:42:36,973 --> 00:42:38,933
Speaker 3: wasn't driving it, but I thought, yeah, man, this is cool.

880
00:42:39,733 --> 00:42:39,933
Speaker 4: Yeah.

881
00:42:40,093 --> 00:42:42,733
Speaker 2: Oh, there's no doubt that they're wicked technology. Yeah, but

882
00:42:43,053 --> 00:42:46,533
Speaker 2: I don't want one anymore. For some reason, I thought

883
00:42:46,573 --> 00:42:49,293
Speaker 2: my next car would be would be an EV. I'm

884
00:42:49,333 --> 00:42:51,053
Speaker 2: driving a petrol car at the moment. I thought my

885
00:42:51,133 --> 00:42:53,413
Speaker 2: next one be a EV. But somehow in the interim,

886
00:42:53,453 --> 00:42:54,893
Speaker 2: I'm falling out of love with EV's and I'm not

887
00:42:55,013 --> 00:42:57,973
Speaker 2: sure why. And so we're putting that question out to

888
00:42:58,133 --> 00:43:00,533
Speaker 2: the wider country eight hundred and eighteen eighty. Have you

889
00:43:00,613 --> 00:43:02,893
Speaker 2: fallen out of EV's? He has New Zealand foll fallen

890
00:43:02,933 --> 00:43:05,933
Speaker 2: out of love with EV's or do we still love them?

891
00:43:06,453 --> 00:43:08,453
Speaker 2: Or do we our lack of love for them? Are

892
00:43:08,453 --> 00:43:09,212
Speaker 2: we getting something wrong?

893
00:43:09,573 --> 00:43:11,973
Speaker 3: Maverick? You are a former EV owner?

894
00:43:12,093 --> 00:43:13,853
Speaker 16: Is that right correct?

895
00:43:13,933 --> 00:43:14,133
Speaker 4: Yeah?

896
00:43:14,173 --> 00:43:15,853
Speaker 17: I had to let it go back to the lease

897
00:43:16,173 --> 00:43:18,813
Speaker 17: because of the felt reasons which I adn't go into

898
00:43:18,973 --> 00:43:23,573
Speaker 17: but not right now. But yeah, I drove a missing

899
00:43:23,653 --> 00:43:27,333
Speaker 17: an electorate leave for four days under a year up

900
00:43:27,413 --> 00:43:30,533
Speaker 17: till about four months ago, and I just loved it.

901
00:43:32,493 --> 00:43:34,973
Speaker 17: I live in the Northway Catto and I had to

902
00:43:35,013 --> 00:43:36,853
Speaker 17: go up to fonge Pro where I used to live

903
00:43:38,013 --> 00:43:40,333
Speaker 17: to see my secretary and other stuff. And so I

904
00:43:40,413 --> 00:43:43,053
Speaker 17: was traveling about one thousand k a week on average,

905
00:43:43,693 --> 00:43:46,653
Speaker 17: and it was killing me driving a nice car. I

906
00:43:46,813 --> 00:43:49,573
Speaker 17: do Carton powdered and you know, like three four hundred

907
00:43:49,573 --> 00:43:52,413
Speaker 17: bucks of bloody week. So I was going backwards on

908
00:43:52,533 --> 00:43:55,093
Speaker 17: a pension and I thought, well, I've got to do something.

909
00:43:55,213 --> 00:43:58,573
Speaker 17: So I had to look around and came across an

910
00:43:58,573 --> 00:44:01,573
Speaker 17: old mate that's actually importing miss and least second hands

911
00:44:01,613 --> 00:44:06,692
Speaker 17: on them from Japan and other places and just struck

912
00:44:06,733 --> 00:44:10,053
Speaker 17: a deal with them. Charged me twenty nine grand for

913
00:44:10,173 --> 00:44:10,453
Speaker 17: the car.

914
00:44:10,893 --> 00:44:11,173
Speaker 7: It was.

915
00:44:13,053 --> 00:44:18,213
Speaker 4: Twenty nineteen and leave sixty two thousand clicks on the clock,

916
00:44:18,973 --> 00:44:20,373
Speaker 4: and I fell in love with it.

917
00:44:20,533 --> 00:44:24,053
Speaker 17: It was just a beautiful car. I had to be

918
00:44:24,213 --> 00:44:28,813
Speaker 17: organized and think ahead because, as you know, there are

919
00:44:29,053 --> 00:44:32,133
Speaker 17: that many charging stations around, and there were lots of gaps,

920
00:44:32,173 --> 00:44:35,853
Speaker 17: even on State Highway one. And I caught me short

921
00:44:35,893 --> 00:44:38,533
Speaker 17: a couple of times, but I learned, and I ended

922
00:44:38,613 --> 00:44:39,893
Speaker 17: up in the back of the tow truck and a

923
00:44:39,933 --> 00:44:43,893
Speaker 17: few hundred dollars, you know, out of pocket. But once

924
00:44:43,933 --> 00:44:49,493
Speaker 17: you learn the rules, it's I mean, that thing was

925
00:44:49,573 --> 00:44:52,733
Speaker 17: only a forty kilo what which is a medium sized battery?

926
00:44:52,813 --> 00:44:54,853
Speaker 4: It was as quick as a common way is.

927
00:44:54,853 --> 00:44:58,333
Speaker 3: The Yeah, what's instant talk with the evs, isn't it.

928
00:44:58,413 --> 00:45:01,293
Speaker 3: That's what I love about it is my vehicles not

929
00:45:01,373 --> 00:45:04,772
Speaker 3: particularly fast, but it's pretty quick off the lines, yep.

930
00:45:04,973 --> 00:45:06,773
Speaker 17: And when you need power, it's nice to have it,

931
00:45:07,013 --> 00:45:09,493
Speaker 17: even though if you don't use and I hardly ever

932
00:45:09,613 --> 00:45:12,053
Speaker 17: have to use it, but when I did, I'd bear

933
00:45:12,053 --> 00:45:15,293
Speaker 17: it off. Just about every ice car on the road, including.

934
00:45:16,573 --> 00:45:17,613
Speaker 4: The odd commodore is.

935
00:45:21,533 --> 00:45:25,453
Speaker 17: The other point I wanted to make is that my

936
00:45:26,133 --> 00:45:31,813
Speaker 17: economy rate versus a typical to an athlete ice car,

937
00:45:33,213 --> 00:45:36,973
Speaker 17: my energy cost is twelve percent. So for every dollar

938
00:45:37,013 --> 00:45:39,692
Speaker 17: I spent on an ice car, I was spending about

939
00:45:40,493 --> 00:45:44,653
Speaker 17: about twelve cents per kilometer on energy, which was a

940
00:45:44,733 --> 00:45:49,373
Speaker 17: mixture of home charging and fast charging. And on that point,

941
00:45:50,053 --> 00:45:53,213
Speaker 17: fast charging is great. Half an hour and you're topped

942
00:45:53,253 --> 00:45:56,533
Speaker 17: up from zero, and you can hook it up with

943
00:45:56,693 --> 00:45:59,493
Speaker 17: companies like Genesis so that you don't actually have to

944
00:45:59,573 --> 00:46:01,893
Speaker 17: pay for it at the time. They just check it

945
00:46:01,973 --> 00:46:04,293
Speaker 17: on the end of your power ball and they charge

946
00:46:04,333 --> 00:46:05,653
Speaker 17: you the domestic rates.

947
00:46:05,853 --> 00:46:07,853
Speaker 3: And you've got to get a different system for your

948
00:46:07,893 --> 00:46:08,813
Speaker 3: fast jar. Do you at home?

949
00:46:08,853 --> 00:46:09,293
Speaker 7: Do you do you?

950
00:46:09,453 --> 00:46:11,853
Speaker 3: You've got to get some sort of yeah, carry.

951
00:46:11,653 --> 00:46:14,493
Speaker 17: On, yeah, yeah, it has to be reconfigured, so you

952
00:46:14,573 --> 00:46:17,573
Speaker 17: need a techo to come in. And that took two

953
00:46:17,653 --> 00:46:20,453
Speaker 17: months to organize, and when they did it, it made

954
00:46:20,453 --> 00:46:23,573
Speaker 17: a huge difference. And then carry on.

955
00:46:23,733 --> 00:46:25,573
Speaker 3: Sorry, I was just going to say, so, without all

956
00:46:25,653 --> 00:46:28,133
Speaker 3: that in mind, Maverick, why do you think, considering how

957
00:46:28,293 --> 00:46:30,853
Speaker 3: cheap some of these evs are now that they still

958
00:46:30,853 --> 00:46:31,613
Speaker 3: aren't selling.

959
00:46:33,813 --> 00:46:34,253
Speaker 18: Perception?

960
00:46:35,093 --> 00:46:43,373
Speaker 17: Perception and misinformation and and you know the greenies, the

961
00:46:43,493 --> 00:46:47,333
Speaker 17: tree huggers. Oh we can't can't mind litting, it's topsic

962
00:46:47,613 --> 00:46:48,173
Speaker 17: blah blah.

963
00:46:48,293 --> 00:46:49,693
Speaker 5: You know, just use your fears.

964
00:46:51,413 --> 00:46:52,213
Speaker 8: We mind everything.

965
00:46:52,533 --> 00:46:55,613
Speaker 4: Everything we touch with Classic with its metal comes out

966
00:46:55,653 --> 00:46:57,813
Speaker 4: of the ground. So what the hell.

967
00:46:59,573 --> 00:47:02,693
Speaker 3: Thank you for that? No, So, Maverick, how come you

968
00:47:02,813 --> 00:47:06,173
Speaker 3: called Maverick? It's a great name that when did you?

969
00:47:06,213 --> 00:47:07,413
Speaker 3: Where did you get the name Maverick?

970
00:47:10,733 --> 00:47:13,893
Speaker 17: I was born in New Zealand, but Mum and Dad

971
00:47:13,933 --> 00:47:16,293
Speaker 17: were both to rebels to a very an extent, more

972
00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:18,653
Speaker 17: than Dad. I mean Dad Rick used to go to

973
00:47:18,773 --> 00:47:21,013
Speaker 17: the Second World War, even though he's living in Holland

974
00:47:21,013 --> 00:47:26,013
Speaker 17: at the time, on the principle that it was all contrived.

975
00:47:26,853 --> 00:47:27,933
Speaker 4: Whether he's right or wrong.

976
00:47:27,813 --> 00:47:31,373
Speaker 17: Who knows that. I've got a feeling he was right,

977
00:47:31,413 --> 00:47:34,573
Speaker 17: but that's only my feeling. And Mum she never took

978
00:47:34,613 --> 00:47:37,453
Speaker 17: a step back. If anyone crossed to her, lookout, they'd

979
00:47:37,573 --> 00:47:40,933
Speaker 17: just cop it. So in my DNA, I've been a

980
00:47:41,013 --> 00:47:41,853
Speaker 17: rebel all my life.

981
00:47:42,493 --> 00:47:45,493
Speaker 3: Very so your your your actual name's Maverick. It's not

982
00:47:45,573 --> 00:47:46,013
Speaker 3: a nickname.

983
00:47:47,053 --> 00:47:47,773
Speaker 4: It is a nickname.

984
00:47:47,813 --> 00:47:50,573
Speaker 17: It's a nick name, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't

985
00:47:50,733 --> 00:47:54,173
Speaker 17: I can't give you my full name because the politicians

986
00:47:54,253 --> 00:47:56,093
Speaker 17: are listening to it and they don't particularly like me.

987
00:47:57,733 --> 00:48:00,893
Speaker 2: Well, Maverick, you share a nickname with edam PERORI and

988
00:48:01,333 --> 00:48:05,373
Speaker 2: also Tom Cruise, so it's a good nickname, and and

989
00:48:05,533 --> 00:48:08,093
Speaker 2: James Garner Maverick as well.

990
00:48:08,613 --> 00:48:10,413
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all right, Hey, well, thank you so much

991
00:48:10,453 --> 00:48:10,693
Speaker 3: for your call.

992
00:48:10,773 --> 00:48:13,253
Speaker 2: Meverick eight one hundred heavy working the ones and two's

993
00:48:13,293 --> 00:48:14,213
Speaker 2: what a great name.

994
00:48:14,253 --> 00:48:14,373
Speaker 12: Hey.

995
00:48:14,413 --> 00:48:16,293
Speaker 2: He was talking about the Nissane Leaf engine and I

996
00:48:16,333 --> 00:48:18,692
Speaker 2: remember the story that that really excited me a couple

997
00:48:18,733 --> 00:48:20,013
Speaker 2: of years ago, and I hope it's still going. I

998
00:48:20,053 --> 00:48:22,573
Speaker 2: think it was in Dunedin where there were they were

999
00:48:22,653 --> 00:48:25,253
Speaker 2: putting Nissan leafs into classic cars so you could get

1000
00:48:25,493 --> 00:48:27,773
Speaker 2: a you know, whatever car you liked, if you really

1001
00:48:27,893 --> 00:48:28,933
Speaker 2: liked the body of the car and.

1002
00:48:28,973 --> 00:48:30,253
Speaker 3: Maybe the car was on the way out.

1003
00:48:30,373 --> 00:48:33,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they would replace the engine with a Nissane

1004
00:48:33,093 --> 00:48:35,453
Speaker 2: Leaf engine, so you'd have a classic cars with an

1005
00:48:35,453 --> 00:48:36,973
Speaker 2: ev On engine there.

1006
00:48:37,413 --> 00:48:39,933
Speaker 3: So like I always get the skin, so to speak. Yeah,

1007
00:48:40,293 --> 00:48:40,732
Speaker 3: so I reckon.

1008
00:48:40,813 --> 00:48:43,053
Speaker 2: One of the coolest cars ever was the Debts and

1009
00:48:43,773 --> 00:48:46,493
Speaker 2: five ten nineteen sixty eight Debts and five ten.

1010
00:48:46,533 --> 00:48:49,973
Speaker 3: There's such a cool looking car iconic. Yeahh I would

1011
00:48:50,253 --> 00:48:50,773
Speaker 3: a bluebird.

1012
00:48:50,853 --> 00:48:53,453
Speaker 2: I would absolutely love to get that all done up

1013
00:48:53,773 --> 00:48:56,693
Speaker 2: with an EV engine and you know, like, you know,

1014
00:48:56,773 --> 00:48:58,613
Speaker 2: get all the console in there so you know, you

1015
00:48:58,733 --> 00:49:04,013
Speaker 2: get you know, modern braking systems and steerage systems in there.

1016
00:49:04,053 --> 00:49:07,212
Speaker 3: But it's got the outside of a of a debts

1017
00:49:07,293 --> 00:49:10,093
Speaker 3: and five ten how we ever, Yeah, oh, eight hundred

1018
00:49:10,093 --> 00:49:12,333
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

1019
00:49:12,573 --> 00:49:14,453
Speaker 3: is sixteen past two back in the.

1020
00:49:14,493 --> 00:49:21,293
Speaker 1: Month your new home of afternoon Torthen Tyler Adams afternoon call, Oh,

1021
00:49:21,333 --> 00:49:23,853
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk z B.

1022
00:49:25,413 --> 00:49:28,533
Speaker 3: Eighteen past two, having a great discussion about EV's If you.

1023
00:49:28,533 --> 00:49:30,133
Speaker 2: Text through on nine two nine two, I'd like to

1024
00:49:30,213 --> 00:49:33,252
Speaker 2: share with you someone was texting through that. Maverick driving

1025
00:49:33,253 --> 00:49:37,133
Speaker 2: a leaf is a pretty funny idea. Have brick from

1026
00:49:37,173 --> 00:49:41,212
Speaker 2: top gun cruising down the motorway on an this and leaf.

1027
00:49:42,093 --> 00:49:44,133
Speaker 3: Not quite as cool as it as fourteen.

1028
00:49:44,213 --> 00:49:47,413
Speaker 2: It's a it's a great image. Here's another text talking

1029
00:49:47,413 --> 00:49:50,732
Speaker 2: about lithum. It takes fifty kg's of energy to create

1030
00:49:50,853 --> 00:49:53,573
Speaker 2: one kg of usable lithium, and the energy source to

1031
00:49:53,693 --> 00:49:56,013
Speaker 2: us to create that lithium coal nearly ninety percent of

1032
00:49:56,053 --> 00:49:59,133
Speaker 2: batteries made in China, and they use coal powered power stations,

1033
00:49:59,213 --> 00:50:01,453
Speaker 2: and don't ask about the precious metals used in the

1034
00:50:01,493 --> 00:50:05,373
Speaker 2: computer's controllers used on an EV nice and clean year, right,

1035
00:50:05,653 --> 00:50:06,212
Speaker 2: that's from Jim.

1036
00:50:06,493 --> 00:50:08,652
Speaker 3: Yep, it's a fair point. And I think you mentioned

1037
00:50:08,693 --> 00:50:12,133
Speaker 3: before more and more the environmental reasons for going EV

1038
00:50:12,253 --> 00:50:14,453
Speaker 3: doesn't quite stare up, and it never was the case

1039
00:50:14,453 --> 00:50:16,013
Speaker 3: for me. I just wanted to save on petrol.

1040
00:50:16,133 --> 00:50:18,172
Speaker 2: No, people want to drive around look cool and also

1041
00:50:18,373 --> 00:50:21,613
Speaker 2: feel like they're green. But if you scratch the service

1042
00:50:21,653 --> 00:50:24,933
Speaker 2: on an ever heat not particularly environmentally friendly. But you know,

1043
00:50:25,013 --> 00:50:26,413
Speaker 2: you're allowed to have things just because they're cool.

1044
00:50:26,493 --> 00:50:29,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Richard. Do you think that dreadful vehicles?

1045
00:50:31,173 --> 00:50:39,212
Speaker 7: Yeah, they are. There's security issues with them. Ministry self

1046
00:50:39,293 --> 00:50:41,573
Speaker 7: drive cars have to be and they have to be

1047
00:50:41,693 --> 00:50:45,413
Speaker 7: EV's and it's about twenty six of them unless unless

1048
00:50:45,453 --> 00:50:50,453
Speaker 7: the minister has a rural electric Okay, now they're all Chinese.

1049
00:50:50,893 --> 00:50:54,853
Speaker 7: The Chinese can monitor them. They directly can they can

1050
00:50:54,893 --> 00:50:58,493
Speaker 7: directly control the vehicle from China through the through the

1051
00:50:58,493 --> 00:51:02,493
Speaker 7: computer on board computer, so they can they can control

1052
00:51:02,533 --> 00:51:04,613
Speaker 7: the steering and brakes, and they can see who's in

1053
00:51:04,693 --> 00:51:06,253
Speaker 7: the car. They can listen into the car, they can

1054
00:51:06,253 --> 00:51:08,653
Speaker 7: see where it's going. They could drive the current with

1055
00:51:08,653 --> 00:51:10,172
Speaker 7: a brick wall one hundred mile ear if they felt

1056
00:51:10,213 --> 00:51:13,533
Speaker 7: like it. I think, how do you?

1057
00:51:13,653 --> 00:51:13,933
Speaker 16: How do you?

1058
00:51:14,013 --> 00:51:16,093
Speaker 3: How do you know that this sounds like an absolute

1059
00:51:16,213 --> 00:51:17,493
Speaker 3: bombshell piece of news.

1060
00:51:17,533 --> 00:51:20,213
Speaker 7: He's kind a bomb shop piece, and in Australia and

1061
00:51:20,453 --> 00:51:23,933
Speaker 7: denegrating the Australian Ministry of Security because he's driving an

1062
00:51:23,973 --> 00:51:24,733
Speaker 7: electric vehicle.

1063
00:51:25,253 --> 00:51:28,213
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean so you're saying so you're saying that

1064
00:51:28,293 --> 00:51:32,813
Speaker 2: the electric vehicles in New Zealand driven, that the our

1065
00:51:32,933 --> 00:51:36,093
Speaker 2: MP's and pm are driving around, and that they from

1066
00:51:36,293 --> 00:51:40,133
Speaker 2: from Beijing. They could hacking and drive them into a water.

1067
00:51:41,213 --> 00:51:42,613
Speaker 7: They don't. They don't even need to hack, and they

1068
00:51:42,653 --> 00:51:45,093
Speaker 7: can control it so they can listen in to who's

1069
00:51:45,213 --> 00:51:47,813
Speaker 7: who's in the car, the conversations a whole lot. That's

1070
00:51:47,853 --> 00:51:48,493
Speaker 7: not why I called.

1071
00:51:49,453 --> 00:51:51,213
Speaker 2: I'd like to see I'd like I'm not saying that

1072
00:51:51,293 --> 00:51:52,973
Speaker 2: it's not true, but I'd love to see the evidence

1073
00:51:52,973 --> 00:51:53,333
Speaker 2: on that one.

1074
00:51:53,733 --> 00:51:54,453
Speaker 7: No, I'll send you some.

1075
00:51:55,413 --> 00:51:55,453
Speaker 14: No.

1076
00:51:55,573 --> 00:51:59,333
Speaker 7: The thing with evs is they're very expensive to run,

1077
00:52:00,053 --> 00:52:01,652
Speaker 7: they're very pollutic. Whly want to get rid of them.

1078
00:52:03,253 --> 00:52:07,613
Speaker 7: Mike Hoskins has been hot gospeling the eye pace. Yeah, okay,

1079
00:52:07,693 --> 00:52:09,373
Speaker 7: you can buy a five year old eye paced for

1080
00:52:09,493 --> 00:52:13,333
Speaker 7: forty thousand dollars, down from one hundred and sixty thousand dollars.

1081
00:52:13,693 --> 00:52:16,013
Speaker 7: It's only got twenty thousand kilometers on the clock. The

1082
00:52:16,133 --> 00:52:22,013
Speaker 7: depreciation is astronomic. They've also had to recall them all

1083
00:52:22,213 --> 00:52:26,053
Speaker 7: five times. That's the twenty nineteen model, and two seven

1084
00:52:26,133 --> 00:52:29,013
Speaker 7: hundred and fifty of the twenty nineteen model have been

1085
00:52:29,213 --> 00:52:32,093
Speaker 7: repurchased back. They cannot fix them, they cannot make them safe.

1086
00:52:33,533 --> 00:52:37,573
Speaker 7: The Felicity Ace, have you heard of her? That's one

1087
00:52:37,573 --> 00:52:39,732
Speaker 7: of your dodgy Wellington. No, that's right.

1088
00:52:40,253 --> 00:52:42,133
Speaker 3: There's a ship okay, right, yeah.

1089
00:52:42,413 --> 00:52:47,653
Speaker 7: Okay, And there was a video shows that a Porsche

1090
00:52:47,693 --> 00:52:52,053
Speaker 7: tae Can caught fire on it. Okay, it's an electric

1091
00:52:52,173 --> 00:52:54,813
Speaker 7: vehicle and it destroyed the ship and sank off the seashells.

1092
00:52:56,453 --> 00:52:57,413
Speaker 3: I remember that story.

1093
00:52:57,533 --> 00:52:59,973
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's one one billion dollars for the damage,

1094
00:53:00,013 --> 00:53:05,493
Speaker 7: not whole heave of a whole heave of pollution. In

1095
00:53:05,893 --> 00:53:09,613
Speaker 7: the Lootant Airport fire, there's some discussion as to whether

1096
00:53:09,653 --> 00:53:14,293
Speaker 7: it was an EV or a diesel powered vehicle that

1097
00:53:14,853 --> 00:53:18,693
Speaker 7: caught fire, but that the the hybrid in question burnt

1098
00:53:18,693 --> 00:53:21,613
Speaker 7: a hole through a concrete floor the airport. I mean

1099
00:53:21,653 --> 00:53:23,413
Speaker 7: it's just sitting there burning and it burns a hole

1100
00:53:23,493 --> 00:53:25,413
Speaker 7: to the concrete floor of the airport.

1101
00:53:25,693 --> 00:53:26,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt that.

1102
00:53:28,253 --> 00:53:29,893
Speaker 7: Well, you imagine if that happen at the Heritage Hotel,

1103
00:53:29,933 --> 00:53:31,973
Speaker 7: for example, the hotel will be closed for about a

1104
00:53:32,013 --> 00:53:33,613
Speaker 7: year until they repair the fans.

1105
00:53:34,293 --> 00:53:36,613
Speaker 2: Imagine it heaven right here in the ZB studio with

1106
00:53:36,693 --> 00:53:39,293
Speaker 2: me and Tyler sitting right now as we speak.

1107
00:53:42,333 --> 00:53:44,853
Speaker 7: I'm not impressed with EV's. You leave them on a

1108
00:53:44,893 --> 00:53:46,853
Speaker 7: three year terming in England and in three years and

1109
00:53:46,933 --> 00:53:48,693
Speaker 7: nobody wants and do you want to you want an

1110
00:53:48,733 --> 00:53:51,493
Speaker 7: EV blown from England? You can bow low knowledge for

1111
00:53:51,573 --> 00:53:52,133
Speaker 7: next to nothing.

1112
00:53:52,253 --> 00:53:55,732
Speaker 3: But Richard, you've made some pretty pretty full noise allegations

1113
00:53:55,813 --> 00:53:57,733
Speaker 3: and then that's fair enough. But when you look at

1114
00:53:57,813 --> 00:53:59,933
Speaker 3: at the petrol cars, does it not do you not

1115
00:54:00,013 --> 00:54:03,293
Speaker 3: get frustrated at the international market for oil and it

1116
00:54:03,413 --> 00:54:05,333
Speaker 3: goes up and down and it just seems to be

1117
00:54:05,373 --> 00:54:08,212
Speaker 3: going up and up and up. The control how much

1118
00:54:08,213 --> 00:54:10,013
Speaker 3: you pay at the pump, you can make.

1119
00:54:09,933 --> 00:54:11,333
Speaker 7: It go down and down and down. I live in

1120
00:54:11,373 --> 00:54:16,813
Speaker 7: christ Church, Okay, where we are the South Island is

1121
00:54:17,733 --> 00:54:21,573
Speaker 7: a raft of brown and black coal floating on a

1122
00:54:21,693 --> 00:54:25,212
Speaker 7: sea of oil and gas. Massive amounts of energy down

1123
00:54:25,253 --> 00:54:29,733
Speaker 7: here there was I worked for Penrod Un't patrolium on

1124
00:54:29,853 --> 00:54:33,093
Speaker 7: their Penrod rig for a while on a half. It's

1125
00:54:33,133 --> 00:54:37,853
Speaker 7: been a southern basin and they drilled eight wells, seven revival,

1126
00:54:38,213 --> 00:54:41,292
Speaker 7: two were gushers and it's all been forgotten about.

1127
00:54:42,173 --> 00:54:44,093
Speaker 3: Well, is that the case ricture? Because there was a

1128
00:54:44,173 --> 00:54:48,373
Speaker 3: story out last week about Shane Jones considering whether our

1129
00:54:48,453 --> 00:54:52,373
Speaker 3: government would take responsibility for oil and gas companies searching

1130
00:54:52,773 --> 00:54:55,213
Speaker 3: for those reserves. If they don't find it, then we

1131
00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:56,013
Speaker 3: pick up the bill.

1132
00:54:56,173 --> 00:54:58,133
Speaker 7: You don't need to go searching. You don't need to

1133
00:54:58,173 --> 00:55:00,173
Speaker 7: go searching for I can take you to Stuart Island

1134
00:55:00,933 --> 00:55:03,093
Speaker 7: with a shovel and we can dig down two meters

1135
00:55:03,293 --> 00:55:04,213
Speaker 7: and you'll find oil.

1136
00:55:06,133 --> 00:55:08,213
Speaker 3: Will when your e's going down, we'll bring some buckets.

1137
00:55:08,653 --> 00:55:10,933
Speaker 3: It sounds like you know, okay, you to do the digging,

1138
00:55:10,973 --> 00:55:13,172
Speaker 3: my son, Bey Hillbilly style down at Stuart Island.

1139
00:55:13,413 --> 00:55:16,813
Speaker 7: From the ground, it's exactly like Beverly Hillbilly is because

1140
00:55:16,933 --> 00:55:19,493
Speaker 7: take a guy drop of beer. Yeah, went down a

1141
00:55:19,533 --> 00:55:21,613
Speaker 7: gully to bring the carcass out kicked over a rock

1142
00:55:22,053 --> 00:55:24,813
Speaker 7: and up up from the ground cream bubbling.

1143
00:55:24,493 --> 00:55:29,613
Speaker 3: Crew, up from the ground, bottling crew. All right, Oh, hey,

1144
00:55:29,653 --> 00:55:32,692
Speaker 3: thank you so much for you call Richard. Very interesting. Yeah,

1145
00:55:32,733 --> 00:55:35,053
Speaker 3: I don't know about that kicking over rocks and then

1146
00:55:35,133 --> 00:55:37,013
Speaker 3: these guys as of oil that comes out of the ground.

1147
00:55:37,053 --> 00:55:38,733
Speaker 2: But if it's true, well I think we need to

1148
00:55:38,773 --> 00:55:41,252
Speaker 2: talk to the If our government officials are driving around

1149
00:55:41,253 --> 00:55:43,173
Speaker 2: in cars that it can be controlled by the Chinese

1150
00:55:43,373 --> 00:55:45,533
Speaker 2: Communist Party, then we need to get to the bottom

1151
00:55:45,533 --> 00:55:45,853
Speaker 2: of that one.

1152
00:55:45,933 --> 00:55:47,453
Speaker 3: We certainly need to do. Next time I talked to

1153
00:55:47,453 --> 00:55:49,693
Speaker 3: once and Peter's asking about that one. It is twenty

1154
00:55:49,773 --> 00:55:51,173
Speaker 3: five pasts two back in the boy.

1155
00:55:55,853 --> 00:55:59,213
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh, eight hundred

1156
00:55:59,213 --> 00:56:01,333
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on news Talk, said.

1157
00:56:01,173 --> 00:56:04,212
Speaker 3: Be twenty seven past to John. You want to jump

1158
00:56:04,293 --> 00:56:05,733
Speaker 3: in on the battery discussion.

1159
00:56:07,613 --> 00:56:14,373
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was really interesting discussion. Hey, and it's very

1160
00:56:14,533 --> 00:56:18,573
Speaker 4: entertaining actually getting some of the ideas and there I say,

1161
00:56:18,733 --> 00:56:24,413
Speaker 4: possibly conspiracy theories, but hey, look I would I would

1162
00:56:24,493 --> 00:56:27,173
Speaker 4: just say from an environmental point of view, you know,

1163
00:56:27,333 --> 00:56:31,252
Speaker 4: the electric the ev engine, it's it's probably about ninety

1164
00:56:31,293 --> 00:56:35,133
Speaker 4: percent energy efficient. Whereas your internal combustion engine is about

1165
00:56:35,373 --> 00:56:40,413
Speaker 4: thirty thirty five percent thereabout, yep. So from an environmental

1166
00:56:40,453 --> 00:56:42,413
Speaker 4: point of view, you know, petroleum is going to be

1167
00:56:42,933 --> 00:56:47,253
Speaker 4: We don't just use petroleum for gassing up cars, we

1168
00:56:47,453 --> 00:56:49,333
Speaker 4: use it for all sorts of things, so it's a

1169
00:56:49,453 --> 00:56:53,853
Speaker 4: valuable resource. And I think from an ecological point of view,

1170
00:56:56,333 --> 00:56:59,213
Speaker 4: you know, the EV makes a lot of sense. And

1171
00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:02,693
Speaker 4: I'm sure that battery technology, you know, we'll get to

1172
00:57:02,773 --> 00:57:07,133
Speaker 4: the stage where possibly, you know, we're less reliant on

1173
00:57:07,213 --> 00:57:09,213
Speaker 4: these rare metals.

1174
00:57:10,573 --> 00:57:12,252
Speaker 3: Yes, so where is that going?

1175
00:57:12,813 --> 00:57:15,213
Speaker 2: Because you know, there's a lot of you know, research

1176
00:57:15,533 --> 00:57:17,653
Speaker 2: and development obviously going in because there's so much money

1177
00:57:17,693 --> 00:57:22,053
Speaker 2: involved and battery research. But where is that heading now

1178
00:57:22,333 --> 00:57:23,893
Speaker 2: and where is it developing?

1179
00:57:24,133 --> 00:57:24,293
Speaker 3: Is it?

1180
00:57:24,373 --> 00:57:26,573
Speaker 2: Because I've just been looking around to see were watch

1181
00:57:26,653 --> 00:57:28,853
Speaker 2: pathways that could go to move away from these metals.

1182
00:57:30,533 --> 00:57:33,373
Speaker 4: So I'm an extrical engineer, but unfortunately I'm also not

1183
00:57:33,493 --> 00:57:37,613
Speaker 4: an expert on battery technology. However, you know, I think

1184
00:57:37,613 --> 00:57:41,413
Speaker 4: it's only a matter of time. I'm certainly keen to

1185
00:57:41,453 --> 00:57:44,213
Speaker 4: buy an EV, but I'm waiting actually for the battery

1186
00:57:45,053 --> 00:57:48,573
Speaker 4: technology to get there, So you know, I might have

1187
00:57:48,653 --> 00:57:53,293
Speaker 4: to wait five, ten years. I think evs never less

1188
00:57:53,413 --> 00:57:55,173
Speaker 4: the way to go, you know future.

1189
00:57:55,293 --> 00:57:58,053
Speaker 3: Do you know much about the solid state batteries in EV?

1190
00:57:58,173 --> 00:58:00,413
Speaker 3: I know they exist in laptops for example, But that

1191
00:58:00,613 --> 00:58:02,293
Speaker 3: sounds like quite promising technology.

1192
00:58:03,653 --> 00:58:04,293
Speaker 7: I think there is.

1193
00:58:06,973 --> 00:58:09,493
Speaker 4: You know, exciting technology you out there. But you know,

1194
00:58:09,573 --> 00:58:11,613
Speaker 4: with all of these things, it takes time to develop,

1195
00:58:12,573 --> 00:58:17,253
Speaker 4: and you know, so like any technology, I remember when

1196
00:58:17,253 --> 00:58:19,333
Speaker 4: the first cell phone came out, you know, one of

1197
00:58:19,373 --> 00:58:20,973
Speaker 4: my colleagues had when it was the size of the

1198
00:58:21,013 --> 00:58:23,853
Speaker 4: briefcase and he wandered around with his things though, and

1199
00:58:23,933 --> 00:58:28,173
Speaker 4: it cost him five thousand dollars. And you know, so

1200
00:58:28,533 --> 00:58:30,773
Speaker 4: you only have to look at technology like that to

1201
00:58:30,893 --> 00:58:33,613
Speaker 4: realize that, you know, it's only a matter of time

1202
00:58:33,853 --> 00:58:39,333
Speaker 4: and the you know, battery technology will be that will

1203
00:58:39,373 --> 00:58:42,573
Speaker 4: be another big revolution actually, because I think if we

1204
00:58:42,693 --> 00:58:46,213
Speaker 4: have good battery technology, better battery technology, should I say,

1205
00:58:47,613 --> 00:58:51,653
Speaker 4: you know, that's going to provide a hard greater opportunity

1206
00:58:51,773 --> 00:58:58,573
Speaker 4: for storing solar energy for example, And yeah, so yeah,

1207
00:58:58,573 --> 00:58:59,053
Speaker 4: that's where I.

1208
00:58:59,053 --> 00:58:59,573
Speaker 16: Think it's going.

1209
00:58:59,653 --> 00:59:02,333
Speaker 2: I'm sure people a lot smarter than me are working

1210
00:59:02,413 --> 00:59:04,373
Speaker 2: on that. Tyler's quite smart though, because he's got a

1211
00:59:04,413 --> 00:59:07,453
Speaker 2: foot in both camps. Because with your vehicle it's an

1212
00:59:07,533 --> 00:59:09,573
Speaker 2: EV and so it's not. And then it flips over

1213
00:59:09,653 --> 00:59:11,133
Speaker 2: to the petroleum engine.

1214
00:59:11,333 --> 00:59:12,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you say that now. I mean when I

1215
00:59:13,053 --> 00:59:15,573
Speaker 3: purchased that and everyone said that you've got the worst

1216
00:59:15,653 --> 00:59:18,253
Speaker 3: of both worlds. And now people are saying, yep, hybrids

1217
00:59:18,293 --> 00:59:20,333
Speaker 3: are the way to go. So it's a roller coaster

1218
00:59:20,373 --> 00:59:22,133
Speaker 3: and who knows, I mean down the track. I think

1219
00:59:22,373 --> 00:59:26,613
Speaker 3: we made the right pack that the charging capability isn't

1220
00:59:26,693 --> 00:59:28,773
Speaker 3: up to scratch in New Zealand yet, so I've still

1221
00:59:28,813 --> 00:59:31,373
Speaker 3: got the combustion engine to fall back on on long trips.

1222
00:59:31,693 --> 00:59:33,933
Speaker 2: And what's the because you're running a car with two

1223
00:59:33,973 --> 00:59:37,213
Speaker 2: engines in this essentially yeah, so what's the Have they

1224
00:59:37,373 --> 00:59:40,653
Speaker 2: skimped on the combustion engine or when you flip over

1225
00:59:40,773 --> 00:59:41,213
Speaker 2: that does it?

1226
00:59:41,693 --> 00:59:42,373
Speaker 3: How does it feel?

1227
00:59:42,453 --> 00:59:44,253
Speaker 2: Because you know, as I was saying before, my mate

1228
00:59:44,533 --> 00:59:48,333
Speaker 2: when he drives my car goes little. You're driving a

1229
00:59:48,373 --> 00:59:49,173
Speaker 2: dinosaur mobile.

1230
00:59:49,413 --> 00:59:49,573
Speaker 6: Yep.

1231
00:59:49,693 --> 00:59:51,773
Speaker 2: But does it feel like that? And do you have

1232
00:59:51,933 --> 00:59:55,293
Speaker 2: a powerful, powerful combustion engine or is it more weighted

1233
00:59:55,333 --> 00:59:56,453
Speaker 2: towards the EV side of things.

1234
00:59:56,493 --> 00:59:58,893
Speaker 3: It's a two point two so not massively powerful. But

1235
00:59:58,933 --> 01:00:02,093
Speaker 3: you're right, when the combustion engine kicks in. I feel

1236
01:00:02,133 --> 01:00:05,293
Speaker 3: the rumble underneath, and it doesn't feel right. Actually, after

1237
01:00:05,413 --> 01:00:07,253
Speaker 3: driving with an EV for so long and I feel

1238
01:00:07,293 --> 01:00:08,893
Speaker 3: that rumble, I think there's something wrong with the car.

1239
01:00:09,813 --> 01:00:12,173
Speaker 3: But I've got to say, with the plug in hybrid,

1240
01:00:12,813 --> 01:00:15,173
Speaker 3: if you're towing, for example, you kind of need the

1241
01:00:15,213 --> 01:00:18,573
Speaker 3: battery and the combustion engine together, or else you're just

1242
01:00:18,613 --> 01:00:20,853
Speaker 3: not going to get enough juice to go uphill. Yeah. Right,

1243
01:00:21,093 --> 01:00:23,013
Speaker 3: but you know, we've lost a bit of money on

1244
01:00:23,053 --> 01:00:24,573
Speaker 3: that car, so we're just gonna have to drive it

1245
01:00:24,693 --> 01:00:26,053
Speaker 3: into the ground so we can do this.

1246
01:00:26,173 --> 01:00:28,253
Speaker 2: I said before somethings things are just cool. And you

1247
01:00:29,213 --> 01:00:30,653
Speaker 2: got me left home the other day and I thought.

1248
01:00:30,573 --> 01:00:31,973
Speaker 3: This is a cool car. It was a nice drive,

1249
01:00:32,053 --> 01:00:34,253
Speaker 3: wasn't it. My driving wasn't so nice. A terrible driving,

1250
01:00:34,293 --> 01:00:35,133
Speaker 3: but that was a cool cat.

1251
01:00:35,373 --> 01:00:35,533
Speaker 7: Right.

1252
01:00:35,693 --> 01:00:37,533
Speaker 3: That has been a good discussion, and that's where we'll

1253
01:00:37,613 --> 01:00:40,133
Speaker 3: leave it, because after the headlines, we want to have

1254
01:00:40,133 --> 01:00:42,813
Speaker 3: a chat about Winston Peters and legislation he wants to

1255
01:00:42,893 --> 01:00:48,333
Speaker 3: bring in, making tab the sole provider of online sports

1256
01:00:48,453 --> 01:00:52,213
Speaker 3: and racing. Bedding will tell you why more will tell

1257
01:00:52,213 --> 01:00:55,493
Speaker 3: you more about why he wants to do that. Very shortly.

1258
01:00:55,613 --> 01:00:56,853
Speaker 3: It is twenty eight to three.

1259
01:01:00,253 --> 01:01:02,573
Speaker 1: Jew's talk said be headlines.

1260
01:01:02,173 --> 01:01:05,413
Speaker 14: With blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

1261
01:01:05,893 --> 01:01:09,853
Speaker 14: Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters says use lands closely following

1262
01:01:09,933 --> 01:01:14,653
Speaker 14: the collapse of President Bashah Alasad's regime in Syria, says

1263
01:01:14,733 --> 01:01:18,493
Speaker 14: it perpetrated significant human rights abuses against its own people

1264
01:01:18,813 --> 01:01:23,293
Speaker 14: for many years. Canterbury firefighters continue to work at at

1265
01:01:23,373 --> 01:01:26,733
Speaker 14: one hundred and thirty four hectare fire at West Melton,

1266
01:01:27,133 --> 01:01:30,333
Speaker 14: where ground crews will be working without air support because

1267
01:01:30,373 --> 01:01:34,893
Speaker 14: of rising winds. No homes have been damaged. Billy Graham

1268
01:01:35,013 --> 01:01:37,933
Speaker 14: Youth Foundation says the boys taking part in the government's

1269
01:01:37,973 --> 01:01:42,413
Speaker 14: boot camp program have challenging backgrounds and a long road ahead.

1270
01:01:42,933 --> 01:01:45,573
Speaker 14: Two fifteen year olds have been arrested after an alleged

1271
01:01:45,613 --> 01:01:50,213
Speaker 14: carjacking in Hamilton. Relief in the community that the liquidated

1272
01:01:50,453 --> 01:01:54,213
Speaker 14: muckatou Pies has a new owner, meaning work will continue

1273
01:01:54,293 --> 01:01:58,493
Speaker 14: for staff. A man allegedly attempting to steal copper from

1274
01:01:58,533 --> 01:02:01,773
Speaker 14: a property in Henderson and Auckland last night has been

1275
01:02:01,853 --> 01:02:05,093
Speaker 14: injured by an electric shock and trapped under a house.

1276
01:02:06,013 --> 01:02:09,613
Speaker 14: Small businesses share predictions for on Christmas spending You can

1277
01:02:09,693 --> 01:02:12,453
Speaker 14: read more at Enz and Herald Premium. Back to Matt

1278
01:02:12,493 --> 01:02:14,013
Speaker 14: Heath and Tyler Adams.

1279
01:02:14,493 --> 01:02:17,333
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, railean right to good discussion on evs,

1280
01:02:17,373 --> 01:02:18,853
Speaker 3: but we're going to change it up over the next

1281
01:02:18,893 --> 01:02:21,253
Speaker 3: week while we want to talk about online bedding. So

1282
01:02:21,373 --> 01:02:24,573
Speaker 3: Racing Minister Winston Peters wants to bring in legislation to

1283
01:02:24,733 --> 01:02:29,173
Speaker 3: extend the tab's currents what he calls monopoly over sports

1284
01:02:29,213 --> 01:02:33,853
Speaker 3: and racing bedding to also cover online bedding. The TAB

1285
01:02:34,053 --> 01:02:37,373
Speaker 3: was established a fund the racing industry and it provides

1286
01:02:37,613 --> 01:02:40,853
Speaker 3: quite a bit of cash, they say, back into the

1287
01:02:40,973 --> 01:02:44,013
Speaker 3: racing industry and other sports organizations. Right, yeah, that's right.

1288
01:02:44,213 --> 01:02:46,213
Speaker 2: So if you bet on basketball, even if it's on

1289
01:02:46,253 --> 01:02:49,213
Speaker 2: the NBA, then that money, you know, profits after tax

1290
01:02:49,293 --> 01:02:52,933
Speaker 2: and such, go back towards supporting basketball in New Zealand.

1291
01:02:53,053 --> 01:02:53,213
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1292
01:02:53,333 --> 01:02:55,293
Speaker 3: So he went on to say, this is Winston Peters.

1293
01:02:55,333 --> 01:02:58,733
Speaker 3: The legislation will enhance the long term sustainability of New

1294
01:02:58,813 --> 01:03:01,493
Speaker 3: Zealand's racing industry by making ta B New zealand sole

1295
01:03:01,533 --> 01:03:05,413
Speaker 3: provider for online gambling, whether that's sporting or racing. Growing

1296
01:03:05,493 --> 01:03:10,053
Speaker 3: competition from offshore online bidding operators poses a significant threat

1297
01:03:10,293 --> 01:03:13,613
Speaker 3: to the TAB New Zealand model, and it is. I mean,

1298
01:03:13,693 --> 01:03:17,053
Speaker 3: look everything that he said in this article, I agree

1299
01:03:17,133 --> 01:03:20,173
Speaker 3: with that, whether you're against online betting or not. The

1300
01:03:20,333 --> 01:03:23,453
Speaker 3: fact that New Zealand, along with many other countries have

1301
01:03:23,533 --> 01:03:28,533
Speaker 3: been taken over by international betting organizations. They've kind of

1302
01:03:28,573 --> 01:03:31,493
Speaker 3: come in because the regulation hasn't exists and the internet

1303
01:03:31,573 --> 01:03:33,573
Speaker 3: can be a bit of the wild West, and they're

1304
01:03:33,613 --> 01:03:35,493
Speaker 3: paying no tax here and none of that money is

1305
01:03:35,573 --> 01:03:37,773
Speaker 3: going back into our communities and they don't care about

1306
01:03:37,773 --> 01:03:38,453
Speaker 3: the damage they do.

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01:03:38,813 --> 01:03:43,693
Speaker 2: In New Zealand, you know, TAB has self exclusion programs,

1308
01:03:44,053 --> 01:03:47,773
Speaker 2: problem gambling awareness, workshops for drug addicts, staff intervention policies,

1309
01:03:48,493 --> 01:03:52,013
Speaker 2: maximum bet and lost limits for account holders. So you know,

1310
01:03:52,133 --> 01:03:55,613
Speaker 2: the TAB is regulated in New Zealand to what we

1311
01:03:56,373 --> 01:04:01,133
Speaker 2: decide is best for our country. So you know, if

1312
01:04:01,773 --> 01:04:05,333
Speaker 2: some people think just gambling is bad altogether and want

1313
01:04:05,333 --> 01:04:07,373
Speaker 2: to get rid of it, right, I mean, and you know,

1314
01:04:07,413 --> 01:04:09,333
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what if you do that, people will

1315
01:04:09,333 --> 01:04:12,413
Speaker 2: still find a way to gamble, because I mean, no

1316
01:04:12,453 --> 01:04:15,533
Speaker 2: one's ever gotten rid of gambling. But you can, you

1317
01:04:15,653 --> 01:04:19,693
Speaker 2: can control it as the TAB does. Yeah, and I

1318
01:04:19,733 --> 01:04:22,853
Speaker 2: think that's a good thing. It keeps it off the streets.

1319
01:04:23,653 --> 01:04:26,653
Speaker 2: And the crazy world of bookies. Right, so people are

1320
01:04:26,693 --> 01:04:29,173
Speaker 2: going to gamble, so surely that should be a New

1321
01:04:29,253 --> 01:04:32,613
Speaker 2: Zealand run thing which puts money back into the sports

1322
01:04:32,773 --> 01:04:35,093
Speaker 2: in New Zealand and thinks about the harm to New

1323
01:04:35,133 --> 01:04:37,533
Speaker 2: Zealanders that come from gambling and has some and has

1324
01:04:37,613 --> 01:04:39,933
Speaker 2: some things in place to try and mitigate that.

1325
01:04:40,133 --> 01:04:41,253
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, surely it should.

1326
01:04:41,293 --> 01:04:42,373
Speaker 2: So we don't want to and we don't want their

1327
01:04:42,373 --> 01:04:45,413
Speaker 2: money just going overseas to these bit three six five muppets,

1328
01:04:45,453 --> 01:04:45,853
Speaker 2: do we no?

1329
01:04:46,093 --> 01:04:46,133
Speaker 14: No?

1330
01:04:46,293 --> 01:04:47,973
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. This is what

1331
01:04:48,053 --> 01:04:49,333
Speaker 3: we want to have a chat about. Is this a

1332
01:04:49,373 --> 01:04:52,053
Speaker 3: good idea? I know Australia we're looking at how they

1333
01:04:52,173 --> 01:04:55,733
Speaker 3: clamp down on online gam gambling with websites that were

1334
01:04:56,453 --> 01:04:59,293
Speaker 3: targeting people under eighteen. So this would be part of that,

1335
01:04:59,453 --> 01:05:02,333
Speaker 3: right that. If there's legislation involved that TAB is the

1336
01:05:02,573 --> 01:05:06,813
Speaker 3: only online gambling organization in New Zealand, then that means

1337
01:05:07,013 --> 01:05:09,773
Speaker 3: young teenagers who let's a lot of them are going

1338
01:05:09,853 --> 01:05:12,653
Speaker 3: online and playing poker, or they're making bets on the

1339
01:05:12,773 --> 01:05:16,213
Speaker 3: Mike Tyson Jake bullfight. They're doing those things because there's

1340
01:05:16,293 --> 01:05:18,453
Speaker 3: no checks about how old you are. Are you eighteen?

1341
01:05:18,533 --> 01:05:20,693
Speaker 3: It's take a little box. Yep, you're good to go

1342
01:05:21,053 --> 01:05:24,653
Speaker 3: on bidding three six five, whereas tab has a lot

1343
01:05:24,693 --> 01:05:25,253
Speaker 3: more chicks than that.

1344
01:05:25,373 --> 01:05:25,533
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1345
01:05:25,573 --> 01:05:27,893
Speaker 2: I was trying to sign up to bitcher recently because

1346
01:05:28,013 --> 01:05:30,373
Speaker 2: you know, I have a bit of a flutter here

1347
01:05:30,413 --> 01:05:34,773
Speaker 2: and there and I really enjoy it. But it was

1348
01:05:34,933 --> 01:05:37,453
Speaker 2: quite hard to get on bitcher scanning my passport. It

1349
01:05:37,533 --> 01:05:40,813
Speaker 2: wasn't reading it, and so you know they make it.

1350
01:05:41,133 --> 01:05:43,293
Speaker 2: You have to prove who you are to get with

1351
01:05:43,373 --> 01:05:46,493
Speaker 2: the tab. Here's a text immediately coming through against what

1352
01:05:46,573 --> 01:05:49,053
Speaker 2: we're saying, fellers, stop trying to control the world freedom

1353
01:05:49,093 --> 01:05:50,013
Speaker 2: of choice, good or bad?

1354
01:05:50,053 --> 01:05:50,973
Speaker 3: Who cares? Who owns it?

1355
01:05:51,053 --> 01:05:55,653
Speaker 2: Andy, Well, we're saying if the tab in New Zealand

1356
01:05:55,733 --> 01:05:59,133
Speaker 2: controls gambling, then some of the money goes back towards

1357
01:05:59,213 --> 01:06:02,453
Speaker 2: New Zealand and sports in New Zealand, which is surely

1358
01:06:02,493 --> 01:06:05,493
Speaker 2: a better thing because people can still gamble, absolutely, but

1359
01:06:06,533 --> 01:06:09,293
Speaker 2: it's not just flying off into the void and not

1360
01:06:09,373 --> 01:06:10,413
Speaker 2: doing any good for New Zealand.

1361
01:06:10,493 --> 01:06:10,653
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1362
01:06:10,693 --> 01:06:13,013
Speaker 3: Oh, eight one hundred eighty, ten eighty. If you're someone

1363
01:06:13,093 --> 01:06:16,013
Speaker 3: who gambles online quite frequently, how do you feel about

1364
01:06:16,013 --> 01:06:19,093
Speaker 3: this legislation if it does come to pass? Nineteen ninety

1365
01:06:19,093 --> 01:06:22,813
Speaker 3: two is the text number. It is twenty to three.

1366
01:06:24,293 --> 01:06:24,813
Speaker 14: It's done.

1367
01:06:24,893 --> 01:06:28,533
Speaker 1: You take on Talkbag Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

1368
01:06:28,773 --> 01:06:32,853
Speaker 1: have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty News TALKSB.

1369
01:06:33,373 --> 01:06:35,933
Speaker 3: News Talks ZEDB. We're talking about Winston Peters. He is

1370
01:06:36,013 --> 01:06:38,653
Speaker 3: the Minister of Racing. He wants to bring in legislation

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01:06:38,853 --> 01:06:42,293
Speaker 3: to make TAB the only online better in the.

1372
01:06:42,373 --> 01:06:46,453
Speaker 2: Country, shutting down the internet options. Yeah, shutting down the

1373
01:06:46,493 --> 01:06:48,653
Speaker 2: apps from overseas. I mean, is that possible?

1374
01:06:49,013 --> 01:06:51,373
Speaker 3: Can you do that? I mean people can of course,

1375
01:06:51,413 --> 01:06:54,013
Speaker 3: people can VP in their way around around the other side,

1376
01:06:54,013 --> 01:06:56,333
Speaker 3: can't they. Yeah, there'd be loopholes around it, you have

1377
01:06:56,453 --> 01:06:59,213
Speaker 3: to say. But as rationale is to me rock solid

1378
01:06:59,373 --> 01:07:03,493
Speaker 3: that the TAB as it stands provides ninety percent of

1379
01:07:03,613 --> 01:07:06,373
Speaker 3: the racing industry's revenue. And as you mentioned before, if

1380
01:07:06,373 --> 01:07:08,613
Speaker 3: you've been on basketball, if you've been on rugby, that

1381
01:07:08,773 --> 01:07:10,453
Speaker 3: money goes some of that money goes back to the

1382
01:07:10,493 --> 01:07:13,053
Speaker 3: grassroots level, if you bed on the likes on And.

1383
01:07:13,093 --> 01:07:14,573
Speaker 2: That's the great thing because as I said before, you've

1384
01:07:14,573 --> 01:07:17,133
Speaker 2: been on the NBA and that money goes to New

1385
01:07:17,213 --> 01:07:18,013
Speaker 2: Zealand basketball.

1386
01:07:18,173 --> 01:07:21,133
Speaker 3: That's a great Yeah, but what do you reckon ross?

1387
01:07:22,413 --> 01:07:26,773
Speaker 18: Okay, guys, I'm an avid horse racing gambler, ye, been

1388
01:07:26,853 --> 01:07:31,013
Speaker 18: doing that for forty years, and I have three overseas

1389
01:07:31,013 --> 01:07:34,853
Speaker 18: accounts for three different gambling companies as well as obviously

1390
01:07:34,973 --> 01:07:36,173
Speaker 18: the tab in New Zealand.

1391
01:07:36,493 --> 01:07:38,293
Speaker 3: Okay yep, So.

1392
01:07:39,933 --> 01:07:43,933
Speaker 18: Two things why I use my overseas ones more than

1393
01:07:44,013 --> 01:07:46,973
Speaker 18: the New Zealand one is because the New Zealand one

1394
01:07:47,093 --> 01:07:51,013
Speaker 18: gives you lousy dividends because you know that they're heating

1395
01:07:51,493 --> 01:07:55,933
Speaker 18: by gambling, by putting their money overseas to cover their

1396
01:07:56,573 --> 01:08:00,333
Speaker 18: So to give an example, if the horses racing, the

1397
01:08:00,533 --> 01:08:03,413
Speaker 18: New Zealand tab as an example, might offer ten to one,

1398
01:08:03,773 --> 01:08:06,773
Speaker 18: where the overseas ones will offer fifteen or twenty to one.

1399
01:08:07,213 --> 01:08:09,733
Speaker 18: So obviously you'd get amble on the overseas because the

1400
01:08:09,813 --> 01:08:11,653
Speaker 18: New Zealand dividends are crap?

1401
01:08:12,893 --> 01:08:13,453
Speaker 3: Can you explain?

1402
01:08:13,733 --> 01:08:13,773
Speaker 14: So?

1403
01:08:13,973 --> 01:08:17,013
Speaker 2: Rostis because this is news to me and I find

1404
01:08:17,053 --> 01:08:20,572
Speaker 2: it very interesting. So why can you explain again why

1405
01:08:20,653 --> 01:08:24,173
Speaker 2: the overseas odds are better than the local odds? Is

1406
01:08:24,213 --> 01:08:27,732
Speaker 2: that because you know just the the size of the

1407
01:08:28,133 --> 01:08:30,092
Speaker 2: you know, like the you know the amount of gamblers

1408
01:08:30,213 --> 01:08:33,053
Speaker 2: or the you know, the economy of scale or what

1409
01:08:33,213 --> 01:08:34,132
Speaker 2: was the reason you were saying.

1410
01:08:33,973 --> 01:08:39,892
Speaker 18: Sorry, well, okay with someone like Betfair, it's because every

1411
01:08:39,933 --> 01:08:42,093
Speaker 18: dollar you put in there's someone else is willing to

1412
01:08:42,173 --> 01:08:45,372
Speaker 18: accept your bet, and so generally you'll find that if

1413
01:08:45,372 --> 01:08:48,972
Speaker 18: the horse is at twenty to one with bet Fear,

1414
01:08:49,053 --> 01:08:52,372
Speaker 18: they'll probably off you fifty to one. So obviously, so

1415
01:08:52,853 --> 01:08:57,652
Speaker 18: for your dollar, you're obviously going to go to bed Fair. Okay. Now, secondly,

1416
01:08:59,612 --> 01:09:02,972
Speaker 18: the New Zealand tab will not accept your bet if

1417
01:09:03,013 --> 01:09:07,612
Speaker 18: it is if the amount payable there's too much for

1418
01:09:07,732 --> 01:09:11,492
Speaker 18: them to accept. Okay, And so once again, why would

1419
01:09:11,532 --> 01:09:13,772
Speaker 18: you bother wasting your time on the New Zealand tab

1420
01:09:14,213 --> 01:09:17,612
Speaker 18: when they limit you. Now that's something that Winston knows about,

1421
01:09:17,732 --> 01:09:19,612
Speaker 18: and that was something that it was taking to the

1422
01:09:19,732 --> 01:09:22,972
Speaker 18: tab to say, if you want to be the only

1423
01:09:23,093 --> 01:09:25,852
Speaker 18: ones to accept bets, then you have to be able

1424
01:09:25,853 --> 01:09:28,692
Speaker 18: to accept the larger bets because otherwise why am I

1425
01:09:28,772 --> 01:09:32,053
Speaker 18: going to do that? Winston knows about that, okay, right,

1426
01:09:32,612 --> 01:09:35,412
Speaker 18: But that pisses me off because I can put twenty

1427
01:09:35,572 --> 01:09:40,492
Speaker 18: cents on a bet with bet three six five to

1428
01:09:40,732 --> 01:09:44,612
Speaker 18: potentially win three million on a multi but the New

1429
01:09:44,692 --> 01:09:48,053
Speaker 18: Zealand tab will not accept that same bet. Which is

1430
01:09:48,532 --> 01:09:49,213
Speaker 18: between es.

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01:09:49,732 --> 01:09:52,253
Speaker 3: It's a fair points. So you're talking about the amount

1432
01:09:52,293 --> 01:09:54,732
Speaker 3: that they'll accept, but you're also talking about better odds

1433
01:09:54,772 --> 01:09:55,053
Speaker 3: as well.

1434
01:09:56,093 --> 01:09:59,852
Speaker 18: Yes, and just finally, there's no way they can stop me. Now,

1435
01:09:59,893 --> 01:10:02,732
Speaker 18: they can stop me online because they would track my VPN,

1436
01:10:02,853 --> 01:10:05,933
Speaker 18: but I can overcome VPN. But more importantly, what I

1437
01:10:06,013 --> 01:10:10,133
Speaker 18: have to do is just make a phone call. No

1438
01:10:10,253 --> 01:10:12,213
Speaker 18: way they can stop me because because I can just

1439
01:10:12,293 --> 01:10:15,053
Speaker 18: make a normal international phone call, taste my bet on

1440
01:10:15,173 --> 01:10:18,652
Speaker 18: my overseas accounts in the UK or Cayman Islands wherever,

1441
01:10:18,692 --> 01:10:19,412
Speaker 18: it doesn't matter.

1442
01:10:19,812 --> 01:10:21,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that comes a bit ross.

1443
01:10:21,412 --> 01:10:25,572
Speaker 2: But do you feel anything like so, do you think

1444
01:10:25,652 --> 01:10:28,253
Speaker 2: that the money going from betting, that there's a worth

1445
01:10:28,333 --> 01:10:30,253
Speaker 2: in it going back into New Zealand sport and the

1446
01:10:30,333 --> 01:10:33,173
Speaker 2: money just not leaving New Zealand, that the money that

1447
01:10:33,412 --> 01:10:35,772
Speaker 2: that that is bet comes back into the system of

1448
01:10:35,812 --> 01:10:36,812
Speaker 2: New Zealand and does good?

1449
01:10:37,053 --> 01:10:37,933
Speaker 3: Do you see any worth in that?

1450
01:10:38,893 --> 01:10:39,013
Speaker 7: Oh?

1451
01:10:39,093 --> 01:10:43,133
Speaker 18: Yeah absolutely, But but I would I would only bet

1452
01:10:43,213 --> 01:10:44,932
Speaker 18: on the New Zealand t a B if they offered

1453
01:10:45,013 --> 01:10:47,612
Speaker 18: me the same odds that I get overseas and that

1454
01:10:47,772 --> 01:10:49,412
Speaker 18: they will accept my bet for anything.

1455
01:10:49,893 --> 01:10:50,492
Speaker 4: But they won't.

1456
01:10:50,853 --> 01:10:54,333
Speaker 2: So you're a pretty serious. You know, you're pretty serious

1457
01:10:54,372 --> 01:10:57,213
Speaker 2: on the ponies there, Ross, do you do you do you?

1458
01:10:57,213 --> 01:11:00,213
Speaker 2: You know, if you have an honest appraisal of how

1459
01:11:00,293 --> 01:11:02,892
Speaker 2: you go, are you up overall or down overall?

1460
01:11:03,013 --> 01:11:03,133
Speaker 7: Oh?

1461
01:11:03,173 --> 01:11:08,773
Speaker 18: I should no, no, no, no, no, I'll be down. Hey.

1462
01:11:08,812 --> 01:11:10,572
Speaker 18: But I don't drink and I don't smoke, so I

1463
01:11:10,652 --> 01:11:11,892
Speaker 18: guess that's my vice, right.

1464
01:11:11,933 --> 01:11:15,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, no judgment, no, no, absolutely, you're

1465
01:11:15,293 --> 01:11:17,492
Speaker 3: an honest man. But just quickly, Ross, going back to

1466
01:11:17,532 --> 01:11:19,572
Speaker 3: the idea of that money going back into the community.

1467
01:11:19,692 --> 01:11:22,412
Speaker 3: It sounds like you're a passionate supporter of the racing

1468
01:11:22,492 --> 01:11:24,532
Speaker 3: industry here in New Zealand, and you know that that

1469
01:11:24,732 --> 01:11:27,372
Speaker 3: industry has been struggling for some time. There was about

1470
01:11:27,452 --> 01:11:30,333
Speaker 3: thirty million of taxpayer money that went in there in

1471
01:11:30,412 --> 01:11:32,892
Speaker 3: the provincial Growth Fund. So surely this is a good

1472
01:11:32,973 --> 01:11:35,173
Speaker 3: way to look after that industry in New Zealand.

1473
01:11:36,293 --> 01:11:38,652
Speaker 18: Yes, but don't forget some of it is self inflicted.

1474
01:11:38,893 --> 01:11:41,333
Speaker 18: Because if I was on the board, by what of

1475
01:11:41,412 --> 01:11:44,532
Speaker 18: thirty years ago, shut down eighty percent of all the

1476
01:11:45,253 --> 01:11:48,492
Speaker 18: race courses and they've been stuffing around all this time.

1477
01:11:48,933 --> 01:11:52,133
Speaker 18: And yes they've been slowly doing it, but all the

1478
01:11:52,213 --> 01:11:54,572
Speaker 18: local tracks that only had one meeting a year and

1479
01:11:54,652 --> 01:11:57,333
Speaker 18: all that. What a waste of money up keeping and

1480
01:11:57,732 --> 01:12:00,173
Speaker 18: pumping money into those tracks. What a waste of time.

1481
01:12:00,372 --> 01:12:02,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, although I enjoyed on the weekend, so I'll

1482
01:12:02,612 --> 01:12:04,532
Speaker 2: have a flutter. I'll put ten dollars here and there

1483
01:12:04,572 --> 01:12:09,213
Speaker 2: across the weekend. And I actually, you know, I don't

1484
01:12:09,253 --> 01:12:11,452
Speaker 2: know nearly as much about it as you do, Ross,

1485
01:12:11,492 --> 01:12:13,932
Speaker 2: but I think it's quite amazing that all these races

1486
01:12:13,973 --> 01:12:16,572
Speaker 2: are being run around the country that I can follow.

1487
01:12:16,853 --> 01:12:20,093
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm amazed that they keep going, but I

1488
01:12:20,213 --> 01:12:21,173
Speaker 2: think it's cool that they do.

1489
01:12:22,492 --> 01:12:25,053
Speaker 18: Yeah, but we don't have the money to upkeep all

1490
01:12:25,133 --> 01:12:27,412
Speaker 18: those race tracks, especially when they have only one or

1491
01:12:27,412 --> 01:12:30,892
Speaker 18: two meetings a year, and lessly as they were losing

1492
01:12:30,933 --> 01:12:31,612
Speaker 18: a lot of the money.

1493
01:12:32,293 --> 01:12:34,572
Speaker 2: Hey, well, thank you so much for insights, Ross, very

1494
01:12:34,612 --> 01:12:37,133
Speaker 2: interesting to me. Stuff I didn't know, Dave.

1495
01:12:37,213 --> 01:12:38,492
Speaker 3: You don't like this idea as well?

1496
01:12:40,853 --> 01:12:41,492
Speaker 7: Hi, guys?

1497
01:12:42,452 --> 01:12:44,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, good good. So you don't like the idea that

1498
01:12:44,572 --> 01:12:50,052
Speaker 3: tab maybe become the only online gambling organization in New Zealand.

1499
01:12:51,492 --> 01:12:55,213
Speaker 15: Well, look, I get what he's got where he's going

1500
01:12:55,253 --> 01:12:59,093
Speaker 15: with us, and I think conceptually it's not a bad

1501
01:12:59,133 --> 01:13:02,173
Speaker 15: idea that you know, we should, you know, try and

1502
01:13:02,253 --> 01:13:06,132
Speaker 15: retain as much Dora, me and this country as possible.

1503
01:13:06,452 --> 01:13:09,173
Speaker 15: I mean, that's you know, that benefits all of us

1504
01:13:09,372 --> 01:13:11,253
Speaker 15: in some way, shape or form. You know, if we're

1505
01:13:11,612 --> 01:13:14,812
Speaker 15: if you're making as the as the TV, you know

1506
01:13:15,053 --> 01:13:18,452
Speaker 15: there are some money being channeled down through others, other

1507
01:13:18,933 --> 01:13:22,333
Speaker 15: to other places that benefit New Zealanders. I'm all for it,

1508
01:13:22,412 --> 01:13:24,612
Speaker 15: and I think that if he can pull us off, well,

1509
01:13:25,173 --> 01:13:28,053
Speaker 15: you know, all power to him. But I don't know

1510
01:13:28,053 --> 01:13:31,173
Speaker 15: how it's going to control it because you know, there's

1511
01:13:31,173 --> 01:13:33,572
Speaker 15: a there's a clique of people in this country as

1512
01:13:33,612 --> 01:13:36,293
Speaker 15: there are in Australia and US, and that that that

1513
01:13:36,452 --> 01:13:41,572
Speaker 15: gamble online full time. This is their job, a job.

1514
01:13:42,253 --> 01:13:46,013
Speaker 15: I know one very well and he's been doing it

1515
01:13:46,133 --> 01:13:49,652
Speaker 15: for I think thirty years now. He hasn't had a job.

1516
01:13:51,293 --> 01:13:54,412
Speaker 15: He's cash for everything, brand new cars, buy a house,

1517
01:13:54,452 --> 01:13:56,812
Speaker 15: you both cash. You can't get finance of course, because

1518
01:13:56,812 --> 01:14:00,852
Speaker 15: he's got no declarable income. So there's a there's a

1519
01:14:00,893 --> 01:14:02,852
Speaker 15: clique of people out there. I'll be interested to know

1520
01:14:03,492 --> 01:14:07,372
Speaker 15: how much money is you know, we're losing from gambling

1521
01:14:07,452 --> 01:14:11,253
Speaker 15: from full time game because they're very smart. They all

1522
01:14:11,333 --> 01:14:14,412
Speaker 15: the buildings done online and it's done offshore. The funds

1523
01:14:14,412 --> 01:14:17,772
Speaker 15: are transferred to lights of the Cayman Islands and and

1524
01:14:17,973 --> 01:14:21,532
Speaker 15: other places around the world, so the IOD can never

1525
01:14:21,612 --> 01:14:26,612
Speaker 15: see that money. So yeah, they live a cloaky, dark

1526
01:14:26,732 --> 01:14:28,333
Speaker 15: lifestyle which is pretty damn good.

1527
01:14:29,452 --> 01:14:31,333
Speaker 2: And so your mate, just just before we go on,

1528
01:14:31,572 --> 01:14:34,133
Speaker 2: so your mate is making good money. So he's making

1529
01:14:34,532 --> 01:14:38,133
Speaker 2: a livelihood from from this. But he's but he's in

1530
01:14:38,173 --> 01:14:40,893
Speaker 2: a position where he can't buy a house because you

1531
01:14:40,933 --> 01:14:41,692
Speaker 2: can't just pay.

1532
01:14:41,893 --> 01:14:43,293
Speaker 4: He bought a house.

1533
01:14:43,452 --> 01:14:45,213
Speaker 15: He bought a brand new house not long ago.

1534
01:14:45,452 --> 01:14:47,293
Speaker 3: Right, and so and so how do you how do

1535
01:14:47,333 --> 01:14:50,013
Speaker 3: you buy and and so? But you're saying that has

1536
01:14:50,173 --> 01:14:53,253
Speaker 3: moneys not going through the tax.

1537
01:14:53,133 --> 01:14:55,133
Speaker 2: Department, So I aren't the questions are asked when you

1538
01:14:55,213 --> 01:14:56,812
Speaker 2: buy a house, you know, you have to go through

1539
01:14:56,933 --> 01:15:00,253
Speaker 2: those those hoops. That's more when you sell the house though,

1540
01:15:00,372 --> 01:15:01,253
Speaker 2: isn't it in terms of.

1541
01:15:01,532 --> 01:15:04,093
Speaker 15: Yah, Yeah, yeah, I mean he brought it. He just

1542
01:15:04,173 --> 01:15:07,213
Speaker 15: bought a brand new bought brought a brand new ev

1543
01:15:07,853 --> 01:15:12,892
Speaker 15: but cash cash Johnny slash and does.

1544
01:15:12,812 --> 01:15:14,372
Speaker 3: He and does he go up and down or is

1545
01:15:14,412 --> 01:15:16,213
Speaker 3: he is he generally on the art.

1546
01:15:17,293 --> 01:15:18,133
Speaker 4: He's he does it.

1547
01:15:18,293 --> 01:15:20,973
Speaker 15: He's not He's not putting you know, five hundred on

1548
01:15:21,053 --> 01:15:24,053
Speaker 15: a whim. He's he's doing micro bidding and you know

1549
01:15:24,253 --> 01:15:28,173
Speaker 15: on American football teams and you know, baseball basketball.

1550
01:15:28,973 --> 01:15:29,692
Speaker 4: You know, he's playing the.

1551
01:15:29,732 --> 01:15:30,452
Speaker 9: Mass game with it.

1552
01:15:32,293 --> 01:15:34,892
Speaker 15: And to be straight up, and I mean that he.

1553
01:15:35,372 --> 01:15:36,772
Speaker 8: Has well, isn't it work?

1554
01:15:37,053 --> 01:15:37,532
Speaker 9: Doesn't work?

1555
01:15:39,293 --> 01:15:42,253
Speaker 15: You know, other than but he lives a phenomenally good lifestyle.

1556
01:15:42,853 --> 01:15:44,213
Speaker 3: Is he a happy Is he a happy man?

1557
01:15:45,213 --> 01:15:45,253
Speaker 7: No?

1558
01:15:45,452 --> 01:15:48,412
Speaker 15: I think he's just I think he's he's just he's

1559
01:15:48,532 --> 01:15:57,452
Speaker 15: institute emotionally. You know what, what I'd love to see

1560
01:15:57,893 --> 01:16:00,213
Speaker 15: and this is just a personal thing I'd love to

1561
01:16:00,253 --> 01:16:01,452
Speaker 15: see once and get rid of.

1562
01:16:01,612 --> 01:16:03,253
Speaker 4: Every all of the poke is made.

1563
01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:09,652
Speaker 15: I think, ye bloody so that we've even let into

1564
01:16:09,692 --> 01:16:10,173
Speaker 15: this country.

1565
01:16:10,213 --> 01:16:10,572
Speaker 8: I agree.

1566
01:16:10,812 --> 01:16:12,293
Speaker 2: I think I think there's a bit of joy and

1567
01:16:13,333 --> 01:16:15,612
Speaker 2: betting on sport and I enjoy it, you know, with

1568
01:16:15,732 --> 01:16:17,492
Speaker 2: the reason they think there's joy on the ponies, but

1569
01:16:17,572 --> 01:16:20,412
Speaker 2: there's nothing in the Pokeyes, pokies are just pure addiction

1570
01:16:20,572 --> 01:16:21,012
Speaker 2: and theft.

1571
01:16:21,812 --> 01:16:22,012
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1572
01:16:22,893 --> 01:16:26,732
Speaker 15: And you know, you know you go to these pubs

1573
01:16:27,293 --> 01:16:30,892
Speaker 15: around you and you see these little dark rooms with look,

1574
01:16:31,013 --> 01:16:31,772
Speaker 15: you know, it's just.

1575
01:16:31,893 --> 01:16:32,652
Speaker 7: Sad it is.

1576
01:16:32,772 --> 01:16:38,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the word for a Dave said, yeah, mate, Yeah,

1577
01:16:38,532 --> 01:16:40,093
Speaker 3: we've got to run, mate, but thank you very much

1578
01:16:40,133 --> 01:16:44,372
Speaker 3: for your phone call. It is seven to three, the

1579
01:16:44,492 --> 01:16:47,052
Speaker 3: issues that affect you and a bit of fun along

1580
01:16:47,093 --> 01:16:47,372
Speaker 3: the way.

1581
01:16:47,652 --> 01:16:51,133
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty

1582
01:16:51,173 --> 01:16:52,452
Speaker 1: four you've talked, said be.

1583
01:16:53,853 --> 01:16:56,012
Speaker 3: News talks, there'd be five to three.

1584
01:16:56,532 --> 01:16:58,333
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a few texts coming through A ninety

1585
01:16:58,333 --> 01:17:02,452
Speaker 2: two niney two that our last caller's mate who's making

1586
01:17:02,492 --> 01:17:04,532
Speaker 2: a lot of money gambling and managed to buy a house,

1587
01:17:05,093 --> 01:17:08,732
Speaker 2: but it's running running some stuff through the Caman Islands.

1588
01:17:09,173 --> 01:17:11,932
Speaker 2: Have you heard of id's Asset Accreditation tists? They look

1589
01:17:12,013 --> 01:17:14,013
Speaker 2: at your assets and you have to prove how you

1590
01:17:14,133 --> 01:17:15,253
Speaker 2: source the money to buy them.

1591
01:17:15,532 --> 01:17:17,012
Speaker 3: If you can't, you're in the gun.

1592
01:17:16,893 --> 01:17:19,812
Speaker 2: For tax of audience and part apart from the proscunity,

1593
01:17:19,893 --> 01:17:22,293
Speaker 2: you'll pay a penalty. Yeah, because I've got a friend

1594
01:17:22,372 --> 01:17:25,612
Speaker 2: who subdivided his house and the people that wanted to

1595
01:17:25,652 --> 01:17:27,572
Speaker 2: buy subsivider's land and the people that wanted to buy

1596
01:17:27,652 --> 01:17:30,492
Speaker 2: the next property tried to pay with cash and he

1597
01:17:30,612 --> 01:17:32,372
Speaker 2: was like, you can't pay with cash in New Zealand.

1598
01:17:33,013 --> 01:17:35,092
Speaker 2: The way it works, it has to go through lawyers

1599
01:17:35,093 --> 01:17:35,932
Speaker 2: and a bank and everything.

1600
01:17:36,053 --> 01:17:38,213
Speaker 3: That's why Dave's made is so unhappy because he's always

1601
01:17:38,293 --> 01:17:40,173
Speaker 3: looking over his shoulder thinking to you, because the ID

1602
01:17:40,372 --> 01:17:41,973
Speaker 3: going to get me any day now much we keep

1603
01:17:41,973 --> 01:17:42,612
Speaker 3: the chet going.

1604
01:17:42,893 --> 01:17:45,492
Speaker 2: Whence Peter's wanting to make all gambling in New Zealand,

1605
01:17:45,532 --> 01:17:48,492
Speaker 2: including online gambling through the TAB.

1606
01:17:48,452 --> 01:17:50,692
Speaker 3: Yep, so much pushback on it. I thought peopleould be

1607
01:17:50,732 --> 01:17:53,293
Speaker 3: for it. Yeah, everyone, so far as again it oh eight,

1608
01:17:53,293 --> 01:17:55,133
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is and number to

1609
01:17:55,173 --> 01:17:58,732
Speaker 3: call nine two nine two is the text number better

1610
01:17:58,812 --> 01:18:01,732
Speaker 3: Kenny Rodgers to the News will catch it. On the

1611
01:18:01,772 --> 01:18:02,293
Speaker 3: other side.

1612
01:18:03,253 --> 01:18:08,173
Speaker 16: When you're sitting at the tables, there'll be timing up count.

1613
01:18:09,412 --> 01:18:14,893
Speaker 3: When the dealing is done. You got no wenderholder, No,

1614
01:18:15,213 --> 01:18:24,333
Speaker 3: when love away, no when the run you new your money,

1615
01:18:25,013 --> 01:18:26,053
Speaker 3: when you're seven.

1616
01:18:26,133 --> 01:18:27,092
Speaker 14: Left the table.

1617
01:18:27,452 --> 01:18:28,692
Speaker 13: There will be time.

1618
01:18:31,173 --> 01:18:38,012
Speaker 3: When the deals done. News talks their betters. Sixteen past

1619
01:18:38,093 --> 01:18:40,732
Speaker 3: three and we've been talking about Winston Peters, who wants

1620
01:18:40,772 --> 01:18:44,532
Speaker 3: to bring in legislation to extend tab's current monopoly over

1621
01:18:44,572 --> 01:18:47,532
Speaker 3: sports and racing betting to also cover online betting.

1622
01:18:47,812 --> 01:18:50,173
Speaker 2: As he said, this legislation will enhance the long term

1623
01:18:50,173 --> 01:18:53,812
Speaker 2: sustainability of New Zealand's racing industry by making TAB in

1624
01:18:54,093 --> 01:18:57,693
Speaker 2: Z's sole provider for sports and race betting, both online

1625
01:18:58,013 --> 01:19:02,333
Speaker 2: and on land. Growing competition from offshore online betting operators

1626
01:19:02,372 --> 01:19:05,412
Speaker 2: poses a significant threat to the ta B New Zealand model.

1627
01:19:05,492 --> 01:19:07,093
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of people that have come through

1628
01:19:07,213 --> 01:19:10,092
Speaker 2: on one hundred and eighty ten N ninety two saying

1629
01:19:10,173 --> 01:19:14,333
Speaker 2: that they prefer the experience of these overseas better, and

1630
01:19:14,372 --> 01:19:16,812
Speaker 2: they prefer the odds, and they prefer the payouts. This

1631
01:19:16,933 --> 01:19:19,173
Speaker 2: absolutely sucks. Is this text to have been blocked by

1632
01:19:19,173 --> 01:19:22,093
Speaker 2: the TV for making too much money? There are way

1633
01:19:22,173 --> 01:19:25,372
Speaker 2: less bidding markets on TAB compared to other bookmakers. It

1634
01:19:25,412 --> 01:19:27,892
Speaker 2: would be like going back thirty years in time or.

1635
01:19:28,053 --> 01:19:30,492
Speaker 3: Christine Well, I mean we both thought this was going

1636
01:19:30,532 --> 01:19:34,253
Speaker 3: to be a slam dunk, but my, oh my pushback

1637
01:19:34,333 --> 01:19:38,572
Speaker 3: on this one. Yeah, Brian, you're all for tightening it up,

1638
01:19:38,612 --> 01:19:40,732
Speaker 3: though you reckon TAB should be the one and only

1639
01:19:40,812 --> 01:19:42,012
Speaker 3: online bidding organization.

1640
01:19:43,333 --> 01:19:44,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent.

1641
01:19:44,293 --> 01:19:46,893
Speaker 12: I mean I'm an ever hunter on the only on

1642
01:19:46,933 --> 01:19:51,093
Speaker 12: the weekends during the RL seasons of a five league

1643
01:19:51,133 --> 01:19:54,732
Speaker 12: multi But yeah, the money's going back into New Zealand sport,

1644
01:19:54,812 --> 01:19:58,213
Speaker 12: then let's have it, like go for it winning and

1645
01:19:58,772 --> 01:20:00,532
Speaker 12: maybe we can get a bit more money hunter to

1646
01:20:00,612 --> 01:20:03,333
Speaker 12: the NRL, you can get a star players and finally

1647
01:20:03,372 --> 01:20:04,133
Speaker 12: win a grand title.

1648
01:20:05,093 --> 01:20:07,572
Speaker 2: And are you happy with the odds you get and

1649
01:20:07,612 --> 01:20:10,333
Speaker 2: the restriction that are applied around the tab?

1650
01:20:12,013 --> 01:20:14,692
Speaker 12: Yeah, to be fair, I've probably never won the amounts

1651
01:20:14,732 --> 01:20:16,293
Speaker 12: that some of the other guys there are winning to

1652
01:20:16,333 --> 01:20:19,412
Speaker 12: either have a problem with the tab paying these these

1653
01:20:19,652 --> 01:20:21,692
Speaker 12: I've heard. I have heard of them before, not paying

1654
01:20:21,732 --> 01:20:25,412
Speaker 12: out when it's when it's pretty good. But for me,

1655
01:20:25,492 --> 01:20:27,932
Speaker 12: I mean for your week into that's having a bit

1656
01:20:27,973 --> 01:20:30,053
Speaker 12: of home and and staying within a limit. You know,

1657
01:20:30,133 --> 01:20:32,333
Speaker 12: I think it's pretty well well good and mud other

1658
01:20:32,372 --> 01:20:34,253
Speaker 12: say go towards the New zeal On sport and racing

1659
01:20:34,772 --> 01:20:35,053
Speaker 12: the week.

1660
01:20:35,612 --> 01:20:38,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm with you, Brian, because I think

1661
01:20:38,293 --> 01:20:41,772
Speaker 2: I'm a different kind of gambler, because I have a

1662
01:20:41,812 --> 01:20:44,412
Speaker 2: flatter on the t a b If I'm watching a

1663
01:20:44,492 --> 01:20:47,293
Speaker 2: sporting fixture, I like just to put ten dollars here

1664
01:20:47,372 --> 01:20:49,093
Speaker 2: in the air, and I put a bit on the

1665
01:20:49,213 --> 01:20:52,412
Speaker 2: ponies in the weekend. But I'm not not really doing

1666
01:20:52,492 --> 01:20:54,692
Speaker 2: it with the eye to make money. It's more just

1667
01:20:54,893 --> 01:20:57,173
Speaker 2: a bit of fun and a bit of entertainment. So

1668
01:20:57,213 --> 01:20:59,293
Speaker 2: I've never seen the parameters of being a big problem

1669
01:20:59,812 --> 01:21:04,692
Speaker 2: because I'm just either a win or I don't gambler. Yeah,

1670
01:21:04,772 --> 01:21:08,652
Speaker 2: I'm not a professional gambler or even particularly good one.

1671
01:21:08,973 --> 01:21:11,492
Speaker 3: I'm like that or sucks interesting. I might put ten

1672
01:21:11,572 --> 01:21:14,213
Speaker 3: bucks on. Yeah, you know, but I'm with you. I mean,

1673
01:21:14,572 --> 01:21:17,732
Speaker 3: I would think, Brian, for most of the people that

1674
01:21:17,853 --> 01:21:19,532
Speaker 3: have a bit of a flutter on the weekend would

1675
01:21:19,572 --> 01:21:22,372
Speaker 3: be the vast majority of tha B betters, maybe not

1676
01:21:22,492 --> 01:21:25,093
Speaker 3: on financial value, but on number value. That it's kind

1677
01:21:25,133 --> 01:21:26,932
Speaker 3: of that situation where you might go into the pub

1678
01:21:27,013 --> 01:21:29,372
Speaker 3: with mates on a Saturday and there's a tab kiosk

1679
01:21:29,492 --> 01:21:31,933
Speaker 3: there and oh, hey, look there's some racing coming up.

1680
01:21:31,973 --> 01:21:33,452
Speaker 3: We'll put a tenor on just for a bit of

1681
01:21:33,532 --> 01:21:35,333
Speaker 3: extra entertainment value while we're having a pint.

1682
01:21:36,692 --> 01:21:38,652
Speaker 12: Yeah, definitely a bit of fun like that. I think

1683
01:21:38,732 --> 01:21:40,333
Speaker 12: to be fair, like a few of the other previous

1684
01:21:40,412 --> 01:21:42,333
Speaker 12: callers of service, there's anything that really means to be

1685
01:21:42,452 --> 01:21:45,452
Speaker 12: regulated and stopped, and so i'mlin casinos in the pokey

1686
01:21:45,532 --> 01:21:47,812
Speaker 12: rooms make they do more harm than anything else.

1687
01:21:48,692 --> 01:21:52,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, good, good call, Brian, Thank you very much.

1688
01:21:52,372 --> 01:21:54,412
Speaker 3: And I mentioned before Ozzie were trying to come down

1689
01:21:54,492 --> 01:21:57,053
Speaker 3: on the online gambling websites. But I think that's more

1690
01:21:57,293 --> 01:21:59,133
Speaker 3: what they're trying to do, right, it's the ones with

1691
01:21:59,253 --> 01:22:02,492
Speaker 3: the Pokey's and the online blackjack and the poker. This

1692
01:22:02,692 --> 01:22:06,053
Speaker 3: is slightly different when it's focused on sports and racing specifically,

1693
01:22:06,213 --> 01:22:09,772
Speaker 3: right Yeah. Yeah, And look, I guarantee people will be

1694
01:22:09,772 --> 01:22:12,492
Speaker 3: able to get around it if you're really serious about it.

1695
01:22:12,652 --> 01:22:15,213
Speaker 3: That's the thing with VPNs as. You can get round it. Yeah,

1696
01:22:15,253 --> 01:22:16,253
Speaker 3: if you're serious about it, if.

1697
01:22:16,213 --> 01:22:18,412
Speaker 2: You really want to and you've got they've got the

1698
01:22:18,492 --> 01:22:22,253
Speaker 2: desire to vote. With the overseas you know, betting companies,

1699
01:22:22,293 --> 01:22:24,293
Speaker 2: the three six fives and such, you'll find a way.

1700
01:22:24,772 --> 01:22:27,732
Speaker 3: But what this would mean, I believe, is just.

1701
01:22:27,772 --> 01:22:30,932
Speaker 2: Your casual, casual punter like me the likes a bit

1702
01:22:30,933 --> 01:22:32,852
Speaker 2: of a flutter, wouldn't be bothered doing that, and so

1703
01:22:33,013 --> 01:22:35,253
Speaker 2: more money would go back into New Zealand sport from gambling.

1704
01:22:35,372 --> 01:22:35,532
Speaker 4: Yep.

1705
01:22:35,853 --> 01:22:38,293
Speaker 3: So, but the serious gamblers that actually.

1706
01:22:38,492 --> 01:22:41,892
Speaker 2: Know something about it and actually know how the odds

1707
01:22:41,933 --> 01:22:44,372
Speaker 2: are being restricted by the tab but just go around

1708
01:22:44,412 --> 01:22:44,692
Speaker 2: the site.

1709
01:22:44,772 --> 01:22:46,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, who was it was it Ross that had

1710
01:22:46,492 --> 01:22:48,933
Speaker 3: his bookies overseas on speed dial? He just picks up

1711
01:22:48,933 --> 01:22:51,293
Speaker 3: the phone to make him pat yep. One hundred thousand

1712
01:22:51,333 --> 01:22:51,732
Speaker 3: dollars on.

1713
01:22:52,293 --> 01:22:54,812
Speaker 2: Even without a VPN, he can still make a phone call. Yeah,

1714
01:22:55,053 --> 01:22:57,452
Speaker 2: that's old school with the geting on the phone field.

1715
01:22:57,492 --> 01:22:57,852
Speaker 4: Get there.

1716
01:22:57,973 --> 01:22:58,173
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1717
01:22:58,572 --> 01:23:00,253
Speaker 3: O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1718
01:23:00,253 --> 01:23:02,692
Speaker 3: to call quick text to the break. It's a great

1719
01:23:02,732 --> 01:23:05,253
Speaker 3: idea from Winston Peters. All these guys punting off sure

1720
01:23:05,492 --> 01:23:08,452
Speaker 3: are greedy buggers. Odds are becoming more comparable now now

1721
01:23:08,933 --> 01:23:13,013
Speaker 3: that entertain are running things. New Zealand punters need to

1722
01:23:13,093 --> 01:23:16,652
Speaker 3: punt here and help the racing industry and sporting codes grow.

1723
01:23:17,293 --> 01:23:19,412
Speaker 3: Keep those coming in. On nine two ninety two, it

1724
01:23:19,532 --> 01:23:20,972
Speaker 3: is twenty one past three.

1725
01:23:25,812 --> 01:23:29,213
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1726
01:23:29,253 --> 01:23:32,692
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talks EDB, News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about the idea or the push for by

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters, the Minister of Racing. He wants legislation in

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Speaker 3: place to make TAB the only online bidding organization for

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Speaker 3: sports and racing. Certainly a lot of fired up people

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Speaker 3: on the text machine nine two niney two keen to

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Speaker 3: hear from you on how you feel about this idea.

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Speaker 3: But let's go back to the phones in. How are you?

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Speaker 13: I'm good, thank you. That's higher, is it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: It is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now what do you feel about this legislation.

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Speaker 13: Well, it's it's like a lot of things, that the

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Speaker 13: money's going out of this country in all sorts of ways,

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Speaker 13: not just racing. Why don't they won't as we look

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Speaker 13: at the likes of we want to call uber and

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Speaker 13: all that the money is going straight out of the country. Yep,

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Speaker 13: everybody is riding all in government officials and cruising around

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Speaker 13: and and the taxplayers playing for it of course, and

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Speaker 13: it's all going out of the country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I guess it's just I guess just that

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Speaker 3: I guess sorry, sorry in but like it's not.

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Speaker 2: But just because it's going out a lot of different

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Speaker 2: ways doesn't mean that we should shouldn't plug the holes

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Speaker 2: where we can.

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Speaker 13: Well, that's right, but you know, I mean a few bidders,

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Speaker 13: uh betting over you know, like center bed or whatever.

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Speaker 13: You know what I mean, it's not a lot compared

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Speaker 13: to the bigger the bigger margin, like people have gone

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Speaker 13: off horsetration a bit, especially with those machines.

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Speaker 6: You know, like.

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Speaker 13: You get paid out straight away, you see, like you

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Speaker 13: get a t A B you got better than T

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Speaker 13: a B. You've got to go and get the money out.

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Speaker 13: They give you a machine, they give you a receipt.

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Speaker 13: You know, it's not like the old days, you know,

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Speaker 13: the bars.

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Speaker 4: And that now that not very many of them have

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Speaker 4: got to and you'd have to have a beer before

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Speaker 4: you have a bet, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, definitely more fun than the TV.

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Speaker 3: If you're actually in an.

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Speaker 13: House, they're always gonna win. I've never.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, I mean, yeah, in the end, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: that's how their business model works.

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Speaker 3: The house always wins.

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Speaker 2: But Ian, uh, you do raise an interesting point though,

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Speaker 2: because so much of the money that we spend on

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Speaker 2: any so many different sectors in New Zealand just goes overseas.

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Speaker 2: But as a result we arguably get better service. And

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Speaker 2: I was talking before about you know, before the UK,

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Speaker 2: before the UK joined the E year before, back in

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Speaker 2: the seventies, we were just selling our meat overseas. The

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Speaker 2: money was coming in and you you basically to get

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Speaker 2: ridden permission from the government and.

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Speaker 3: Put a car and.

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Speaker 2: As a result, we were quite a wealthy country, but

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Speaker 2: we didn't have a lot of information and a lot

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Speaker 2: of we didn't have a lot of options. And also

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Speaker 2: people would come over here and feel like they're going

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Speaker 2: back in time. So there is a balance there between

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Speaker 2: the money going back.

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Speaker 13: And you're going back into my time a bit.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, because we.

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Speaker 18: Were all fully employed.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, there was only a couple of seasonal workers that

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Speaker 13: might not get a job in the off season. Really,

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Speaker 13: but everybody had a job and you didn't have all

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Speaker 13: these pull little buggers were walking around down causing trouble

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Speaker 13: because they could go to the freezing work all the

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Speaker 13: shar and share and go and get a dollar and

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Speaker 13: we'd all.

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Speaker 3: Get a feed. But it comes back to consumer consume

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Speaker 3: a choice though, doesn't it in because back here, you know,

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Speaker 3: back in your name, if you wanted to buy a chainsaw,

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Speaker 3: you'd have to go down to the chainsaw store that

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Speaker 3: was only one. But now you know, and this is

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Speaker 3: about consumer choice. So whether it's Uber, whether it's online gambling,

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Speaker 3: whether it's Amazon, whether it's you want a new steel chainsaw,

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Speaker 3: you've got more choice with the online options.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a good day.

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Speaker 2: But we didn't have a choice then of course, back

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Speaker 2: because when the UK joined the EU, they didn't buy

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Speaker 2: our stuff anymore. So we tried for a while just

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Speaker 2: to buy it ourselves in stockpilot. But we were going

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Speaker 2: back up really fast. So you know, the government came

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Speaker 2: in eighty four and opened us up and look, as

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Speaker 2: a result, it you know, has saved the economy. But

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Speaker 2: also it just meant that from then on a lot

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Speaker 2: more money was going.

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Speaker 3: To go overshore offshores.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as a result, New Zealand became a much

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Speaker 2: more exciting place. I read this great book about the

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Speaker 2: banded English rock band called The Pretty Things that came

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Speaker 2: to New Zealand pre that time, you know, in the

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Speaker 2: late sixties, and boy, oh boy, New Zealand was a

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Speaker 2: back order of the world. But as you say, everyone

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Speaker 2: was employed, yep, they literally had that. They literally knew everyone.

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Speaker 3: That was on the doll The economy was humming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was humming because we swore we made,

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Speaker 2: we sold and whatever we imported, and we manufactured things.

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Speaker 2: You'd buy stereo systems that were manufactured in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: that'd be made out of wood and stuff, and so

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Speaker 2: in one respect the economy worked really well.

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Speaker 3: But that that was dependent on England buying everything that

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Speaker 3: we made. Yeah, but if we can agree that on

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Speaker 3: some of those things, he mentioned Uber before, and you

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Speaker 3: know there's been some concern over how much money Google

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Speaker 3: and Facebook are taken away from this country, and Amazon

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Speaker 3: is a big one. This is easy legislation as a

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Speaker 3: starting point, right credit to.

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Speaker 2: Go because the tab is something we have in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand that I believe. And look, there's so many people

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Speaker 2: that have proven me wrong on this, but for me

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Speaker 2: in terms of my gambling needs, it provides it. But

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Speaker 2: there are services that if we just made them completely

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Speaker 2: New Zealand based without the offshore component, would not provide

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Speaker 2: the needs I need.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, No good call, Oh eight

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is and I'm call going

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Speaker 3: to keep this going. It is twenty nine past three.

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Speaker 3: Headlines coming up.

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Speaker 14: You talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis, it's

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Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble cantery. Firefighters are hoping

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Speaker 14: rising winds don't undo their good work and containing a

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Speaker 14: one hundred and thirty four hectare of fire at West Melton.

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Speaker 14: Two women have been charged with manslaughter and murder over

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Speaker 14: the death of an eight year old boy at to

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Speaker 14: Tekor and Fakatane last month. Hamilton's Frankton School is in

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Speaker 14: lockdown with armed police outside after a sighting of a

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Speaker 14: firearm at an address on nearby Massey Street. An Auckland

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Speaker 14: councilor says police resource is being diverted by things like

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Speaker 14: a dirt bike convoy. In Autara yesterday or at least

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Speaker 14: sixteen people were arrested, mainly for driving offenses, but also

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Speaker 14: one displaying gang insignia. Greenpeace is praising the grit Parties

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Speaker 14: Climate Change Plan to invest in green infrastructure and jobs,

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Speaker 14: environmental restoration, renewable energy and locally led planning. Marcket two

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Speaker 14: Pies has been officially saved from closure with a new

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Speaker 14: owner licensing back to the liquid dated producer, saving local jobs.

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Speaker 14: Class war support for CEO Killer has US authorities and

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Speaker 14: business leaders on alert. You can see the story it

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Speaker 14: ends at Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Eath and

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Speaker 14: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty seven to fourum.

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Speaker 3: We've been having a great discussion about Winston. Peter's pushed

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Speaker 3: to make tab the only online betting organization in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand when it comes to sports and racing. It's already

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Speaker 3: got a bit of a monopoly on the ground. Is

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Speaker 3: that a good idea?

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Speaker 2: Nine two nine two is the text number, one hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is the phone number. Hey guys, No,

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Speaker 2: tab should not be a monopoly that causes more issues

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Speaker 2: than it solves. From Ben and someone else says, Boys says,

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Speaker 2: hey guys, what of the tear becomes a monopoly and

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Speaker 2: starts providing stink odds?

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Speaker 3: From Mike? I mean, that's that's a that's a very

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Speaker 3: good point. Monopolies tend to not lead to great outcomes

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Speaker 3: for the customer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Could they do that though?

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Speaker 3: Could they offer odds that are way out of favor

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Speaker 3: to the rest of the bookies internationally? I just think,

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, if you know nine the legislation though

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Speaker 3: that you've got to be fair with the odds that

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Speaker 3: you provide.

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Speaker 2: Well, because the size of the market here will restrict

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Speaker 2: restrict the risk that they can take to a certain extent.

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Speaker 2: But I guess you know, if they if they keep

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Speaker 2: if they can really really sting gods all the time,

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Speaker 2: then no one's going to take them, right, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: So you have you have to, you have to. It's

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Speaker 2: a little carrot that gets people in. But seeming like

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Speaker 2: to be a good option. You know you've got you've

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Speaker 2: got to get those odds right or the our snow

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Speaker 2: and bets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good point, quick text here, gooday, guys. This would

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Speaker 3: be like buying lotto tickets overseas because the poll is bigger,

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Speaker 3: then no community money would ever go. Here's a fair point.

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Speaker 3: We can't buy lotto tickets in America because we're not Americans,

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Speaker 3: but I'd love to because you win a billion dollars

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Speaker 3: rather than twenty million here, you just can't because it's

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Speaker 3: closed off. You definitely win a billion dollars, It's true.

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Speaker 3: How are you mate?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Good things?

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Speaker 3: Now you want to carry on using bet three six five?

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Speaker 3: You love them? You're happy with them?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 16: One of the major advantages of the set through six five.

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Speaker 16: If I've got thirteen things from my accounts, so my

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Speaker 16: account and credits, and they're doing a live stream of

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Speaker 16: some idiotic football league third division in Italy, I can

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Speaker 16: watch the game through the live stream of it. So

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Speaker 16: it also opens up to your viewing avenues as well.

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Speaker 16: Ad Literally, the stream is not as good as Paint

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Speaker 16: the Sky or anything like that, but that's one of

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Speaker 16: the advantages.

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Speaker 2: I see I didn't actually know that, So that becomes

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Speaker 2: your your channel for watching sport yep.

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Speaker 16: And then well, I mean I've got Sky anyway because

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Speaker 16: my team finally made it into the Premier League. The

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Speaker 16: only betworth plating is to get red gated, by the

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Speaker 16: looks of it, but we won't go into that. But

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Speaker 16: I don't bet on my own team anyway, because it's

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Speaker 16: hard to bet the gamest own team, So I just

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Speaker 16: look farther on on the sports by money into football

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Speaker 16: and cricket, and I can't remember the last time I

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Speaker 16: placed a bet on cricket.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so so just run through how that works again.

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Speaker 3: You only have to have money in your account rather

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Speaker 3: than place a bit on the football. Means you get

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Speaker 3: to watch football via the bet three six five website,

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Speaker 3: or if you've just got money in your account, you

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Speaker 3: can watch everything, yep.

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Speaker 16: You can watch anything. They're live streaming, so you just

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Speaker 16: poke the live button and it will come up with

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01:33:41,893 --> 01:33:45,573
Speaker 16: a symbol like a play button, which means they're broadcasting

1942
01:33:45,652 --> 01:33:48,053
Speaker 16: the video stream there. So there's no as a rud

1943
01:33:48,133 --> 01:33:50,972
Speaker 16: I think there's audio unless it's in Spanish or Italians.

1944
01:33:51,492 --> 01:33:53,412
Speaker 16: I don't need to care about that because I can't

1945
01:33:53,492 --> 01:33:57,093
Speaker 16: understand it, but as a rule, I place bets on

1946
01:33:57,452 --> 01:34:04,173
Speaker 16: particular games. And therefore I've watched more football, and I've

1947
01:34:04,173 --> 01:34:06,892
Speaker 16: loved football the whole life. I've watched more football since

1948
01:34:06,933 --> 01:34:09,012
Speaker 16: I've been gambling, and I've ever for my whole life.

1949
01:34:09,133 --> 01:34:11,333
Speaker 16: Like I don't give a toss with me United are

1950
01:34:11,333 --> 01:34:13,572
Speaker 16: playing the Book, because neither of those are my team.

1951
01:34:14,452 --> 01:34:16,972
Speaker 16: The only games I want to watch is my team.

1952
01:34:17,013 --> 01:34:18,652
Speaker 16: When I was up at two thirty this morning to

1953
01:34:18,692 --> 01:34:22,093
Speaker 16: watch my team play, and I haven't missed a game

1954
01:34:22,173 --> 01:34:26,572
Speaker 16: for about three years. And then and now I might,

1955
01:34:27,412 --> 01:34:29,333
Speaker 16: like on a Sunday morning, I might watch my team

1956
01:34:29,372 --> 01:34:32,932
Speaker 16: at three o'clock and stay awake and watch your Ventus

1957
01:34:33,093 --> 01:34:38,012
Speaker 16: play someone in Italy and have a have a gamble,

1958
01:34:38,173 --> 01:34:40,173
Speaker 16: and sometimes they have a we gamble and sometimes I

1959
01:34:40,253 --> 01:34:42,893
Speaker 16: go a little bit larger and I enjoy it. But

1960
01:34:43,133 --> 01:34:45,972
Speaker 16: like that earlier corner, I actually don't drink, don't smoke.

1961
01:34:46,053 --> 01:34:48,012
Speaker 16: My wife and I occasionally go out for a meal

1962
01:34:48,093 --> 01:34:51,293
Speaker 16: or the movie, and this is my entertainment fund, and

1963
01:34:51,333 --> 01:34:53,492
Speaker 16: when it runs out, it runs out.

1964
01:34:54,812 --> 01:34:57,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's I mean, that's the thing, you know.

1965
01:34:57,572 --> 01:34:59,732
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of the same, like so with my gambling.

1966
01:34:59,812 --> 01:35:01,532
Speaker 2: It's definitely not a problem. I just have a little

1967
01:35:01,532 --> 01:35:03,133
Speaker 2: flatter to make things a little bit more interesting.

1968
01:35:03,333 --> 01:35:06,652
Speaker 16: Yeah, but with Winston, it's like, hold on every dollar

1969
01:35:06,692 --> 01:35:09,013
Speaker 16: that I gamble. I've already paid my team on, so

1970
01:35:09,213 --> 01:35:11,933
Speaker 16: it's now up to our elected officials to spend my

1971
01:35:12,093 --> 01:35:14,933
Speaker 16: tax dollars. Widely, what I spend my untaxed dollar on

1972
01:35:15,572 --> 01:35:19,293
Speaker 16: would be my choice, and I haven't got the mouth

1973
01:35:19,572 --> 01:35:23,972
Speaker 16: or the patients to even contemplate doing VPNs or anything

1974
01:35:24,053 --> 01:35:26,253
Speaker 16: like that. So more than likely I just stop campling,

1975
01:35:26,333 --> 01:35:29,612
Speaker 16: because stopping gambling is not a mystery. I might have

1976
01:35:30,093 --> 01:35:32,972
Speaker 16: like a lucky streak and then I'll lose every bet

1977
01:35:33,333 --> 01:35:34,972
Speaker 16: in a row, and then I won't bet the former.

1978
01:35:36,333 --> 01:35:38,852
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just everyone saying a lot of people are

1979
01:35:38,893 --> 01:35:40,812
Speaker 2: texting through a nine two nine two saying the tab

1980
01:35:41,333 --> 01:35:47,492
Speaker 2: streams games as well, NBA and such. But definitely not

1981
01:35:47,652 --> 01:35:51,612
Speaker 2: but not but not your obscure little situation. You're probably

1982
01:35:52,933 --> 01:35:53,972
Speaker 2: following that game.

1983
01:35:54,812 --> 01:35:56,772
Speaker 16: Yeah, I might better on a game in the Costa

1984
01:35:56,812 --> 01:36:02,572
Speaker 16: rica'sion like that. Well, I'm looking I'll scare a different

1985
01:36:02,973 --> 01:36:05,572
Speaker 16: that I think is owned by five and it has

1986
01:36:05,692 --> 01:36:09,572
Speaker 16: every professional football in the world. And what I'm looking

1987
01:36:09,612 --> 01:36:11,133
Speaker 16: for is it seems way at the top of the

1988
01:36:11,173 --> 01:36:13,692
Speaker 16: table was a really positive gold difference playing a team

1989
01:36:14,293 --> 01:36:16,372
Speaker 16: at the bottom of the table who have conceded a

1990
01:36:16,412 --> 01:36:19,972
Speaker 16: ship ton of goals. And then my favorite set, I'm

1991
01:36:20,013 --> 01:36:22,333
Speaker 16: not even sure the aps do. Then I know they

1992
01:36:22,412 --> 01:36:25,372
Speaker 16: to winning a half time winning at full time to

1993
01:36:25,412 --> 01:36:27,053
Speaker 16: one of my favorite bets, and the other one is

1994
01:36:27,093 --> 01:36:30,053
Speaker 16: to win both two goals or more three goals or more,

1995
01:36:30,253 --> 01:36:33,532
Speaker 16: and that's what I bet on, and then sometimes I'll win.

1996
01:36:34,093 --> 01:36:36,053
Speaker 16: I think I've had a couple of times I've won

1997
01:36:36,133 --> 01:36:37,932
Speaker 16: eight piece in a row, and I've turned one hundred

1998
01:36:37,973 --> 01:36:40,933
Speaker 16: dollars into more than a thousand, and I take it

1999
01:36:41,013 --> 01:36:43,772
Speaker 16: all out except the original hundred, and then when that's gone,

2000
01:36:43,812 --> 01:36:45,852
Speaker 16: I don't put any money in my account for another

2001
01:36:45,933 --> 01:36:47,452
Speaker 16: week or two and grow again.

2002
01:36:47,893 --> 01:36:52,452
Speaker 3: You're the gambling renaissance man. You're probably the.

2003
01:36:54,293 --> 01:36:58,133
Speaker 16: I placed one day of what I consider a bird

2004
01:36:58,173 --> 01:37:00,973
Speaker 16: bet at the time, one hundred dollars, and I went

2005
01:37:01,053 --> 01:37:03,933
Speaker 16: home and told my goal today, and he goes, what

2006
01:37:03,973 --> 01:37:05,732
Speaker 16: do you call a big bet? I went one hundred bucks,

2007
01:37:06,013 --> 01:37:08,812
Speaker 16: goes You're confidence. It says you on confidence, why don't

2008
01:37:08,812 --> 01:37:14,213
Speaker 16: you get more? Which is something no woman ever the

2009
01:37:14,293 --> 01:37:17,932
Speaker 16: only I said, the only more money I've got what's

2010
01:37:17,973 --> 01:37:21,253
Speaker 16: in the wedding account that was saving up forts as

2011
01:37:21,293 --> 01:37:24,132
Speaker 16: you got your confidence, I mean, well, yeah, I'm confident

2012
01:37:24,732 --> 01:37:27,093
Speaker 16: she will make the best there. So I plugged an

2013
01:37:27,093 --> 01:37:31,692
Speaker 16: extra five hundred on it, and the very next morning

2014
01:37:31,772 --> 01:37:34,572
Speaker 16: I withdrew some twenty nine hundred dollars and just put

2015
01:37:34,612 --> 01:37:37,692
Speaker 16: it back in the wedding account. Wow, you don't look

2016
01:37:37,933 --> 01:37:39,652
Speaker 16: it's not winning Eve unless you take it out.

2017
01:37:39,933 --> 01:37:42,412
Speaker 2: She's still she's still hitting you with her How confident

2018
01:37:42,452 --> 01:37:44,173
Speaker 2: you are? Is it put the house on that type

2019
01:37:44,173 --> 01:37:44,892
Speaker 2: of situation now.

2020
01:37:44,933 --> 01:37:45,612
Speaker 3: Just to prove that you're.

2021
01:37:47,013 --> 01:37:49,452
Speaker 16: Yeah, she knows that I gamble, and she knows when

2022
01:37:49,492 --> 01:37:52,772
Speaker 16: I When I left, we walked into a kitchen we're

2023
01:37:52,853 --> 01:37:55,893
Speaker 16: shop one day and the first thing she said was

2024
01:37:56,013 --> 01:37:59,093
Speaker 16: breaker la through the egg cup that was, you know,

2025
01:37:59,293 --> 01:38:02,933
Speaker 16: boiled egg cup worth about twenty five dollars. And I

2026
01:38:03,053 --> 01:38:04,892
Speaker 16: just said, and I will take it with her Finis,

2027
01:38:04,973 --> 01:38:07,932
Speaker 16: And then I instantly placed a bet on I think

2028
01:38:07,973 --> 01:38:10,492
Speaker 16: it was we had Wanderers to beat Manchester United and

2029
01:38:10,612 --> 01:38:13,812
Speaker 16: they had already conceded a goal. But Manchester United that

2030
01:38:13,893 --> 01:38:15,732
Speaker 16: had a player semed off in the first ten minutes.

2031
01:38:15,772 --> 01:38:17,772
Speaker 16: I thought We've got eighty minutes to turn it around.

2032
01:38:18,293 --> 01:38:20,572
Speaker 16: Thing to put a lazy one hundred dollars and it

2033
01:38:20,692 --> 01:38:23,333
Speaker 16: paid out five hundred across the shop. I'm saying to

2034
01:38:23,452 --> 01:38:25,932
Speaker 16: my wife, anything you want made, anything you want.

2035
01:38:26,293 --> 01:38:28,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta be careful. Next thing. You know, you're

2036
01:38:28,612 --> 01:38:30,612
Speaker 3: going to be opening up accounts in the Canary Island.

2037
01:38:30,652 --> 01:38:31,492
Speaker 3: Sander of it. I love it.

2038
01:38:31,933 --> 01:38:35,013
Speaker 2: So we were talking before about New Zealand prior to

2039
01:38:35,372 --> 01:38:38,013
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four. Hey guys, Yes, in the sixties, New

2040
01:38:38,093 --> 01:38:40,333
Speaker 2: Zealand was a paradise. We all drank copious amounts of

2041
01:38:40,412 --> 01:38:44,652
Speaker 2: cheap beer, drove around in secondhand bikes, and had at

2042
01:38:44,732 --> 01:38:45,692
Speaker 2: least one good pair of.

2043
01:38:45,732 --> 01:38:47,133
Speaker 3: Shoes and trousers and a shirt.

2044
01:38:48,053 --> 01:38:50,333
Speaker 2: A work shirt costs you a week's wages, and you

2045
01:38:50,333 --> 01:38:53,012
Speaker 2: couldn't buy a twenty five year old car without overseas funds.

2046
01:38:53,452 --> 01:38:56,572
Speaker 2: TAB shouldn't have exclusivity, but we should ensure a level

2047
01:38:56,612 --> 01:38:59,412
Speaker 2: playing field and all participants are contributing equally to the

2048
01:38:59,452 --> 01:39:02,572
Speaker 2: New Zealand economy through taxes and community contributions.

2049
01:39:02,853 --> 01:39:06,812
Speaker 3: Kindness regards Dave good techs. Yeah, yeah, but I mean,

2050
01:39:06,893 --> 01:39:07,372
Speaker 3: can you do that?

2051
01:39:07,853 --> 01:39:11,133
Speaker 2: Could you strike a deal with bit three six five

2052
01:39:11,293 --> 01:39:13,173
Speaker 2: that some of their money was going towards our racing

2053
01:39:13,213 --> 01:39:16,412
Speaker 2: and our basketball and our football and our rugby. I

2054
01:39:16,452 --> 01:39:18,253
Speaker 2: don't know, it might be hard to negotiate. We're certainly

2055
01:39:18,293 --> 01:39:20,213
Speaker 2: having trouble negotiating with Facebook and Google.

2056
01:39:20,372 --> 01:39:22,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh had one hundred and eighty. Teen eighty

2057
01:39:22,532 --> 01:39:24,532
Speaker 3: is the number to call. It is eighteen to four.

2058
01:39:26,093 --> 01:39:29,213
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

2059
01:39:29,412 --> 01:39:33,213
Speaker 1: and everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

2060
01:39:33,452 --> 01:39:35,652
Speaker 1: you for twenty twenty four used talk said.

2061
01:39:35,532 --> 01:39:39,412
Speaker 3: B sixteen to four. We're talking about the TAB. Yeah,

2062
01:39:39,492 --> 01:39:39,932
Speaker 3: that's right.

2063
01:39:40,053 --> 01:39:43,772
Speaker 2: So Winston Peters wants to give a basically a monopoly

2064
01:39:43,893 --> 01:39:47,933
Speaker 2: the TAB, not just for online gambling as well in

2065
01:39:47,933 --> 01:39:50,693
Speaker 2: New Zealand. This legislation will enhance the long term sustainability

2066
01:39:50,692 --> 01:39:53,253
Speaker 2: of New Zealand's racing industry by making TAB new Zealand's

2067
01:39:53,812 --> 01:39:56,372
Speaker 2: soul provider for sports and race bidding, both.

2068
01:39:56,253 --> 01:39:58,493
Speaker 3: Online, on land and online.

2069
01:39:58,853 --> 01:40:02,133
Speaker 2: Growing to competition from offshore online bidding operators posed as

2070
01:40:02,173 --> 01:40:04,852
Speaker 2: a significant threat to the TAB, New Zealand models is

2071
01:40:05,253 --> 01:40:08,013
Speaker 2: Winston Peters. There's a piece of this puzzle that we're

2072
01:40:08,053 --> 01:40:10,492
Speaker 2: not focusing on, and we will get to the bottom

2073
01:40:10,492 --> 01:40:13,172
Speaker 2: of it as the end Tane because the strategic partnership

2074
01:40:13,173 --> 01:40:17,732
Speaker 2: with ta B New Zealand of course started well in

2075
01:40:17,893 --> 01:40:21,133
Speaker 2: June twenty three. So if the argument is that the

2076
01:40:21,173 --> 01:40:24,772
Speaker 2: money is going off sure with three s bet three

2077
01:40:24,853 --> 01:40:30,452
Speaker 2: six five in these internet based offshore betting agencies, then

2078
01:40:30,933 --> 01:40:32,772
Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to know how much money is going

2079
01:40:32,812 --> 01:40:36,572
Speaker 2: off shore with the strategic partnership with Intane.

2080
01:40:36,732 --> 01:40:38,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're trying to get ahold of Luke Kirkner is

2081
01:40:38,732 --> 01:40:41,253
Speaker 3: one of our sports writers here at the New Zealand

2082
01:40:41,253 --> 01:40:43,732
Speaker 3: Herald who did a very good piece about the Intane

2083
01:40:43,812 --> 01:40:45,972
Speaker 3: deal earlier this year, So hopefully we get a hold

2084
01:40:45,973 --> 01:40:48,852
Speaker 3: of them in the meantime. Brett, you don't like this

2085
01:40:48,973 --> 01:40:50,732
Speaker 3: idea of tab becoming a monopoly.

2086
01:40:52,013 --> 01:40:52,053
Speaker 7: No.

2087
01:40:52,372 --> 01:40:56,652
Speaker 9: I use bet three six five just because I find

2088
01:40:56,732 --> 01:41:01,692
Speaker 9: that easier, there's more options and normally are fund the

2089
01:41:01,772 --> 01:41:05,893
Speaker 9: odds better, And if I'm completely on some gambling, I

2090
01:41:05,973 --> 01:41:10,253
Speaker 9: don't really think about where the money goes. You know,

2091
01:41:10,293 --> 01:41:14,412
Speaker 9: it's hardly the most wholesome activity. If you're looking to

2092
01:41:14,492 --> 01:41:16,412
Speaker 9: do that, you know you have more than welcome to

2093
01:41:16,732 --> 01:41:19,412
Speaker 9: donate or against the charity or something like that. I

2094
01:41:19,893 --> 01:41:22,772
Speaker 9: just think, you know, it's gambling. I'm just I just

2095
01:41:22,853 --> 01:41:25,053
Speaker 9: find to get three six five better, And I just

2096
01:41:25,173 --> 01:41:28,372
Speaker 9: don't think we should be told who we can gamble with.

2097
01:41:28,973 --> 01:41:31,173
Speaker 2: So Brett, are you saying that in your heart you

2098
01:41:31,253 --> 01:41:32,972
Speaker 2: feel a little bit dirty when you're gambling?

2099
01:41:34,133 --> 01:41:34,333
Speaker 7: Oh?

2100
01:41:34,612 --> 01:41:35,532
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.

2101
01:41:36,612 --> 01:41:42,413
Speaker 9: Gambling isn't you know? It's not yeah, the most wholesome activity.

2102
01:41:42,612 --> 01:41:45,612
Speaker 9: So I'm if I'm completely honest, I just don't even

2103
01:41:45,652 --> 01:41:48,732
Speaker 9: think where the money goes. I'm gambling. If I put

2104
01:41:49,692 --> 01:41:54,012
Speaker 9: fifty dollars down to win five hundred, you know, I'd

2105
01:41:54,133 --> 01:41:57,652
Speaker 9: rather win that five hundred dollars from three six.

2106
01:41:58,333 --> 01:42:00,612
Speaker 2: So if you knew, if you knew that, so Brett,

2107
01:42:00,612 --> 01:42:03,213
Speaker 2: if you knew the money was going back into New Zealand, sports,

2108
01:42:03,293 --> 01:42:05,452
Speaker 2: New Zealand, racing, New Zealand, what have you been on?

2109
01:42:05,772 --> 01:42:07,213
Speaker 3: What are you primarily bet on? Brett?

2110
01:42:08,612 --> 01:42:08,692
Speaker 7: Uh?

2111
01:42:09,253 --> 01:42:10,972
Speaker 9: In all honesty, probably golf?

2112
01:42:11,452 --> 01:42:14,732
Speaker 2: Okay, So if you if you knew, that's an interesting one. Like,

2113
01:42:14,853 --> 01:42:17,092
Speaker 2: if you knew that the money was going back towards

2114
01:42:17,213 --> 01:42:20,812
Speaker 2: New Zealand golf, would that that that doesn't quite work

2115
01:42:20,893 --> 01:42:23,412
Speaker 2: for me. But but if you knew the money was

2116
01:42:23,452 --> 01:42:25,572
Speaker 2: going back to so you were betting on basketball and

2117
01:42:25,732 --> 01:42:28,173
Speaker 2: you knew that the money you were spitting on NBA

2118
01:42:28,253 --> 01:42:29,892
Speaker 2: that a certain percentage of it went back into New

2119
01:42:29,973 --> 01:42:33,093
Speaker 2: Zealand basketball. Would that that wouldn't make you feel less

2120
01:42:33,133 --> 01:42:34,133
Speaker 2: dirty about your bidding?

2121
01:42:35,692 --> 01:42:39,333
Speaker 9: Not really. I mean, look in an ideal world, a

2122
01:42:39,452 --> 01:42:46,093
Speaker 9: perfect world probably, but yeah, honesty, Yeah, I'm just saying

2123
01:42:46,173 --> 01:42:48,253
Speaker 9: I look at the better. I don't really care whether

2124
01:42:48,412 --> 01:42:53,173
Speaker 9: money's coming from, you know, and other aspects of my life,

2125
01:42:53,253 --> 01:42:56,412
Speaker 9: I sort of you know, I you know, I say

2126
01:42:56,452 --> 01:42:58,973
Speaker 9: I'm buying certain food products or something like that. I

2127
01:42:59,053 --> 01:43:02,333
Speaker 9: might say, oh, look, I'd rather play in New Zealand

2128
01:43:02,412 --> 01:43:04,932
Speaker 9: made or whatever, but not with gambling.

2129
01:43:05,053 --> 01:43:06,652
Speaker 3: Well, you can't be good all the time. That's the

2130
01:43:06,772 --> 01:43:09,133
Speaker 3: thing you've got to There's some parts of your life

2131
01:43:09,173 --> 01:43:10,933
Speaker 3: have to be down and dirty. That's that's to be

2132
01:43:11,013 --> 01:43:13,253
Speaker 3: the full human. Yeah. And I don't know why, but

2133
01:43:13,333 --> 01:43:15,852
Speaker 3: I feel dirty or betting on horses than I do

2134
01:43:16,013 --> 01:43:17,732
Speaker 3: like the Warriors. You know, I feel quite a proud

2135
01:43:17,772 --> 01:43:20,093
Speaker 3: when I bet on the Warriors to win. But then

2136
01:43:20,133 --> 01:43:22,053
Speaker 3: when I'm down at the at the pub and the

2137
01:43:22,133 --> 01:43:24,772
Speaker 3: TB Kioska is there and I'm fluttering away at horses,

2138
01:43:24,772 --> 01:43:26,652
Speaker 3: I've got no idea about. Part of me feels a

2139
01:43:26,692 --> 01:43:28,852
Speaker 3: little bit dirty. I feel good beating on the dish lickers.

2140
01:43:29,652 --> 01:43:31,253
Speaker 3: I was out the other night beating on the dish

2141
01:43:31,333 --> 01:43:34,852
Speaker 3: lickers and they felt good. They didn't feel dirty at all. Brett.

2142
01:43:34,933 --> 01:43:38,333
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, mate, No problemly all right, have

2143
01:43:38,412 --> 01:43:41,612
Speaker 3: a good afternoon, Jim. How do you feel about this

2144
01:43:41,893 --> 01:43:43,812
Speaker 3: legislation Winston Peters wants to put through.

2145
01:43:45,652 --> 01:43:47,692
Speaker 19: I don't like I like it, mate. They'll end up

2146
01:43:47,732 --> 01:43:51,652
Speaker 19: having them monopoly, That's what's going to happen. I can

2147
01:43:51,692 --> 01:43:53,612
Speaker 19: see them all away. Like they have a thing called

2148
01:43:53,732 --> 01:43:58,173
Speaker 19: Punter's Promised where you can put a bet on and

2149
01:43:58,293 --> 01:44:00,492
Speaker 19: went up to two thousand. You can profit up to

2150
01:44:00,532 --> 01:44:03,532
Speaker 19: two thousand dollars. And that was one of the deals

2151
01:44:03,572 --> 01:44:06,812
Speaker 19: that the old Tob used to have with punters. And

2152
01:44:06,933 --> 01:44:08,973
Speaker 19: they said, what the new Tob that they're going to

2153
01:44:09,093 --> 01:44:12,612
Speaker 19: keep that At the moment, they've kept it, but they've

2154
01:44:12,692 --> 01:44:16,973
Speaker 19: wiped like if there's a late scratching or something, they

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01:44:17,093 --> 01:44:22,933
Speaker 19: deduct a percentage of the DOV. They've already brought that

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01:44:23,053 --> 01:44:24,572
Speaker 19: and they've only been in a few months.

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01:44:25,053 --> 01:44:29,253
Speaker 3: Right, So tab having a monopoly, you think that will

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01:44:29,492 --> 01:44:34,812
Speaker 3: become considerably worse. Yes, yep, yeah, So you've got you've

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01:44:34,853 --> 01:44:37,692
Speaker 3: got you've got the strategic partnership with the TAB New

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01:44:37,772 --> 01:44:41,372
Speaker 3: Zealand and Enchain and then they shut down the other

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01:44:41,812 --> 01:44:45,852
Speaker 3: overseas options that there is just a little bit of

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01:44:45,893 --> 01:44:48,093
Speaker 3: a twinge in me even though I'm for this, which

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01:44:48,612 --> 01:44:51,173
Speaker 3: which does look a little bit like you've let someone

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01:44:51,213 --> 01:44:52,612
Speaker 3: in and you're shutting everyone else out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, it's like, for instance, I know people who bet

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01:44:57,173 --> 01:44:59,372
Speaker 19: on darts and stuff like that, and they're restricted to

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01:44:59,492 --> 01:45:00,852
Speaker 19: making one hundred dollars a bet.

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Speaker 3: Really, yeah, and that's through the tap. That's the next

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Speaker 3: they can make them bet on the darts.

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01:45:08,133 --> 01:45:12,333
Speaker 19: Yeah, they can't. They can't beat that much. They can

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01:45:12,412 --> 01:45:13,972
Speaker 19: only profit one hundred dollars off.

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01:45:14,173 --> 01:45:16,652
Speaker 16: All right, Oh really it's bullshit.

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Speaker 19: I've been betting onmal life man right into it. There's

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Speaker 19: a lot of things they're restricting people of.

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01:45:24,692 --> 01:45:26,772
Speaker 3: And why the darts in particular, gym? Why are they

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Speaker 3: having those rules just for the darts?

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Speaker 19: Probably because I've won.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's just for you, you mean, not for me.

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01:45:33,612 --> 01:45:35,173
Speaker 3: If I wanted to profit a bit more.

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Speaker 2: The TAB might argue that's under responsible gambling because that,

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01:45:40,293 --> 01:45:42,732
Speaker 2: you know, they're big on their self exclusion programs, problem

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01:45:42,812 --> 01:45:47,213
Speaker 2: gambling awareness workshops, for drug addicts, staff intervention policies, tools

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01:45:47,253 --> 01:45:50,052
Speaker 2: such as maximum bet and lost limits for account holders.

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01:45:50,452 --> 01:45:52,933
Speaker 2: So the t a B might look at that, or

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01:45:53,093 --> 01:45:54,572
Speaker 2: you know, the TB whatever they want to do. But

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01:45:54,652 --> 01:45:56,612
Speaker 2: the government might look at that and go, well, that's

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01:45:57,532 --> 01:46:02,452
Speaker 2: limiting mitigating harm. But but you know, if you if

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01:46:02,492 --> 01:46:04,372
Speaker 2: you're into it and you've got the bet three six

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01:46:04,452 --> 01:46:06,452
Speaker 2: five option and they're not mitigating harm in that way,

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01:46:06,492 --> 01:46:08,133
Speaker 2: it's obviously tempting to go else.

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01:46:08,612 --> 01:46:08,812
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:46:09,412 --> 01:46:13,253
Speaker 19: Yeah, there's no problem. There's no They have no problem

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01:46:13,333 --> 01:46:16,372
Speaker 19: with you're when you're losing. It's only if you're wanting

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Speaker 19: Welcome to.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the world of gambling, Jim, Thank you very much. Mate.

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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number

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01:46:22,213 --> 01:46:23,692
Speaker 3: to call. It's nine to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:46:29,093 --> 01:46:32,772
Speaker 1: everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four You's talks, they'd be be.

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Speaker 3: It is six to four, Frank, how are you this afternoon?

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01:46:40,173 --> 01:46:40,333
Speaker 9: Oh?

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01:46:40,452 --> 01:46:41,093
Speaker 4: Pretty good? Thanks?

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01:46:41,452 --> 01:46:43,012
Speaker 3: Now you want to follow on from what the last

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01:46:43,053 --> 01:46:45,333
Speaker 3: caller was saying that you don't like that they lemit

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01:46:45,412 --> 01:46:47,372
Speaker 3: how much you can win off a particular.

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01:46:47,013 --> 01:46:53,053
Speaker 4: Bit, Well, just it goes throughther than that's actually you know,

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Speaker 4: if you're a professional punter and you actually.

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Speaker 3: Make a lot of money, are you a professional punter?

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01:47:04,572 --> 01:47:08,492
Speaker 4: Frank No, No, But I've been no corporation journal to

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01:47:08,532 --> 01:47:11,253
Speaker 4: my entire life over forty years. I've got a few clues.

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01:47:11,333 --> 01:47:12,293
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, cool.

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01:47:13,812 --> 01:47:19,253
Speaker 4: Now, if you've actually win too much on a regular basis,

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01:47:20,173 --> 01:47:25,692
Speaker 4: the TB will actually shut your cat down. I'm going

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01:47:25,772 --> 01:47:27,852
Speaker 4: to say, you have to ask first to ask the

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01:47:27,933 --> 01:47:31,852
Speaker 4: question why are people going off seas overseas to bits

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01:47:32,173 --> 01:47:35,612
Speaker 4: rather than betting with the TB. It's because of their

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01:47:35,652 --> 01:47:41,572
Speaker 4: own practices, right. As an example, if you're the TB

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01:47:41,692 --> 01:47:43,013
Speaker 4: and I came to you and said, I want to

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01:47:43,053 --> 01:47:46,093
Speaker 4: put a thousand dollars taking on this horse which is

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01:47:46,412 --> 01:47:50,452
Speaker 4: offering fixed dogs of twenty one, it's why I stand

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01:47:50,532 --> 01:47:55,572
Speaker 4: to look two thousand, right, they won't take that bet,

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01:47:56,452 --> 01:48:00,572
Speaker 4: go say okay, we'll give you two hundred twenty one.

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01:48:02,492 --> 01:48:05,532
Speaker 4: Then they'll drop the odds on the horse and they'll

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01:48:05,532 --> 01:48:09,253
Speaker 4: say I will give you another two hundred at ten

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01:48:09,293 --> 01:48:13,092
Speaker 4: to one, and keep going on that des sentence scale.

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01:48:15,532 --> 01:48:21,173
Speaker 4: And that's what has actually driven most hunters of sure Gee,

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01:48:21,253 --> 01:48:22,492
Speaker 4: they can get the bets they want.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they're ever going to change that? Frank,

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01:48:24,732 --> 01:48:27,372
Speaker 3: if they are losing punters and this legislation doesn't come

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01:48:27,412 --> 01:48:29,412
Speaker 3: in and we've only got thirty seconds, will they change

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01:48:29,412 --> 01:48:29,812
Speaker 3: their ways?

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01:48:30,933 --> 01:48:33,532
Speaker 4: Well, they have to, they need to if they want

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01:48:33,532 --> 01:48:36,692
Speaker 4: to have a monopoly, they've got to act like a

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01:48:36,772 --> 01:48:40,492
Speaker 4: proper book maker. You have to remember, you know, up

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01:48:40,572 --> 01:48:45,253
Speaker 4: until ten fifteen years ago, the TB was only a tote.

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01:48:45,612 --> 01:48:55,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, so well we've run out of time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call though and your

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Speaker 2: knowledge in the area. Didn't get to the bottom of

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Speaker 2: how much Intain is taking out of the t a

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Speaker 2: B in New Zealand, but maybe we'll be able to

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01:49:04,652 --> 01:49:05,372
Speaker 2: tell you that tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Catch you then, Matt.

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