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Speaker 2: are that can't be changed. So how can the sport
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Speaker 2: those in charge of this great game? Hugely respected Netball
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Speaker 2: Doubt continues to swirl over the future of our domestic
Speaker 2: netball competition. The a in Z Premiership is set to
Speaker 2: record a significant loss of around three point seven million
Speaker 2: dollars this year, and Netball New Zealand itself will run
Speaker 2: at a loss of close to six million dollars in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. Board chair Alista Carruthers said yesterday the
Speaker 2: shortfall would be covered by the organization's cash reserves, but
Speaker 2: he warned that approach cannot continue. So what is the
Speaker 2: way forward? How can this financial bleeding be stopped? What
Speaker 2: could and should the domestic netball competition look like moving forward?
Speaker 2: And how important is it that we have a strong
Speaker 2: domestic competition to support our silver ferns. Let's bring in
Speaker 2: vastly experienced and hugely respected netball leader. Former CEO of
Speaker 2: the Magic Now They're Commercial Manager, former President of the
Speaker 2: International Netball Federation, member of the New Zealand Order of
Speaker 2: Merit for services to Netball and recipient of the International
Speaker 2: Netball Federation Service Award. Cheryl Dawson Cheryl, thanks for joining
Speaker 2: us this afternoon. It's obviously been a very difficult time
Speaker 2: for everybody involved in netball here in this country. What
Speaker 2: are the board and senior leadership team's biggest priority b
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 4: Well, I think, as Alistair said the other day, we've
Speaker 4: got to sit down and redesign our business of netball
Speaker 4: and redesign it in a way that we sort of
Speaker 4: complete things to enable a good strong balance between the
Speaker 4: community gain at of course our high performance level games
Speaker 4: out there for the public to enjoy. So I really
Speaker 4: believe this redesign needs to be done extremely thoroughly and
Speaker 4: people are going to have to be patient through this. Yes,
Speaker 4: it's very very tough times, but we've got to get
Speaker 4: it right to take the game into the future.
Speaker 2: So if this is an opportunity to start with a
Speaker 2: blank sheet of paper, how different should the a n
Speaker 2: JED Premiership of the future look to the one that
Speaker 2: we've had for the past decade or so.
Speaker 4: Well, I think there are a lot of positives out
Speaker 4: of what occurred this year. If you read the recent
Speaker 4: publication of the numbers for the game this year, it's
Speaker 4: absolutely amazing. And when you sit there and look at
Speaker 4: something like that final we saw between the mystics and
Speaker 4: still it's a fantastic product. The part we have to
Speaker 4: get right is how we we cover the costs that
Speaker 4: are associated with running a semi professional game at that level.
Speaker 4: I think we need to think about where are we
Speaker 4: going to find the money to take this game into
Speaker 4: the future. We can't just continue to rely on reserves
Speaker 4: or rely on the good will of everybody. We have
Speaker 4: to find substantial sponsorship to support what we see as
Speaker 4: a positive semi professionally, because let's face it, they're not
Speaker 4: truly professional.
Speaker 2: You mentioned they're the viewing numbers, also, of course extremely
Speaker 2: strong participation numbers. There are a lot of New Zealanders
Speaker 2: heavily invested in the game at various levels. But the
Speaker 2: financial model, as you say, isn't working right now. So
Speaker 2: does the sport need to become better at selling its
Speaker 2: value to potential sponsors.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I've always felt that I think we've under
Speaker 4: sold ourselves out there in that sort of commercial world.
Speaker 4: I think people I know from my own experiences where
Speaker 4: we bring people into a netble match they've never been
Speaker 4: And this season I had a number of people in
Speaker 4: corporate hospitality who were I would say slightly nervous about
Speaker 4: being there, but at the end of the game, they
Speaker 4: were totally enamored with the sport, and so we've got
Speaker 4: to capture some of that excitement and somehow sell it
Speaker 4: to the people out there. I mean, I live not
Speaker 4: too far from the Tote on a Nepple Theater and
Speaker 4: I know how hard they work Saturday after Saturday for
Speaker 4: the people of this community to play the game, and
Speaker 4: they're bursting at the scenes and they're very supportive of
Speaker 4: what we've been doing at that A and Z Premiership level.
Speaker 4: So we need to find ways to find the bigger
Speaker 4: players in the market, convince them of the value of
Speaker 4: this strong female market, large numbers as you mentioned, and
Speaker 4: somehow find them to invest in the future of our sport,
Speaker 4: that wonderful game of metal.
Speaker 2: And the big question, Cheryl is how do we do that?
Speaker 2: Where do you think the biggest untapped commercial opportunities are
Speaker 2: and how can they be unlocked?
Speaker 4: Well, I think the commercial opportunities lie in a lot
Speaker 4: of those products that women use, like hair skins, all
Speaker 4: of those things which seem to cost a force through.
Speaker 4: They must have some money to invest in a very
Speaker 4: strongly female sport. And I think we've got to go
Speaker 4: to them and say, here are some different ways that
Speaker 4: you might get involved. It might be about the look
Speaker 4: of the hair. I mean, as we know, are soon
Speaker 4: than our players look fabulous when they're all dressed up
Speaker 4: and ready to go. And I think that we need
Speaker 4: to capture that mark, capture that female market of products
Speaker 4: out there, because to be honest, we have relied heavily
Speaker 4: on our banks. Like we began with a National Bank
Speaker 4: Cup and then it became AMZ Championship and then it
Speaker 4: became a v Premiership. Perhaps it's time to move outside
Speaker 4: the realm of those businesses and look for strongly female
Speaker 4: centered businesses and have them use the players to promote
Speaker 4: their products, because, let's safe it, these young women are
Speaker 4: champions at promoting.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: Look, Cheryl, and you've actually alluded nicely into a question
Speaker 2: I was going to ask about about the use of
Speaker 2: the elite players and all members of the netball community
Speaker 2: in terms of promoting products and being ambassadors for the game,
Speaker 2: because it seems to me that our top female elite
Speaker 2: players are just wonderful ambassadors for the sport. Surely a
Speaker 2: corporate brand would want to align with athletes like that
Speaker 2: wouldn't they Well.
Speaker 4: That's my feeling, and I've conveyed that to people that
Speaker 4: you know, we've just got to look outside the square
Speaker 4: of the normal pathways we've gone. We've got to look
Speaker 4: for these people who want a piece of the action
Speaker 4: of a first class game where it's truly a team
Speaker 4: game because not everybody can score the goal. So we've
Speaker 4: got to say, hey, guys, here's a chance to be
Speaker 4: involved in something with people who will do their darness
Speaker 4: to make it work for you. And I know how hard.
Speaker 4: For example, this season that the adis Magic, players have
Speaker 4: worked to promote their sponsors for to support at that level.
Speaker 4: What we need now is to find a way to
Speaker 4: capture that build it into a package for the development
Speaker 4: of this league, whatever it may look like going forward.
Speaker 2: How important is having a strong domestic competition for producing
Speaker 2: successful Silver Ferns teams.
Speaker 4: Extremely And you know, I don't have any problem with
Speaker 4: the players that have gone overseas. I think it's been
Speaker 4: fantastic for their growth and development, and we're seeing it
Speaker 4: in other sports where they go away, but they do
Speaker 4: want to come back and play for their country. And
Speaker 4: in the meantime, it gives you the chance to grow
Speaker 4: a whole other level of elite athletes. These young women
Speaker 4: who sat behind many of those players have now had
Speaker 4: a chance this year to show what they're capable out
Speaker 4: on court, the capable of out on court, and I
Speaker 4: think we've seen I'm exciting new young players come through
Speaker 4: this season and I think they've added to the vibrancy
Speaker 4: of what we saw on court during the A and
Speaker 4: Z Premiership.
Speaker 2: You nip On New Zealand has temporarily relaxed their eligibility
Speaker 2: rule so now anyone can play overseas and remain eligible
Speaker 2: for the Silver Ferns. Sure is that a sensible short
Speaker 2: term move while the domestic situation is sorted out?
Speaker 4: Well, I have to say we have to be sensible
Speaker 4: here and we've got no choice. Really, we can't say
Speaker 4: right now Huger contract for twenty twenty seven, so we
Speaker 4: have to be very practical about this. It's the same
Speaker 4: with the many people who have worked contracts for the events.
Speaker 4: They've got to look at it the same way. We've
Speaker 4: just got to say to everybody, let's remain optimistic, let's
Speaker 4: remain positive, let's work together. And I think and Hay
Speaker 4: said from the Pulse see being optimistic is important and
Speaker 4: this is how we need to go and right now,
Speaker 4: I believe Alistair for others in the Netball New Zealand
Speaker 4: board are working hard with our six current franchise teams.
Speaker 4: They're working with the New Zealand Players Association. They've been
Speaker 4: sensible in saying to people go overseas and what they're
Speaker 4: doing is, let's come up with something that's really worthwhile,
Speaker 4: really outstanding, and not just put a band aid over everything.
Speaker 2: There's been discussion around private investment and different ownership models.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's something that Netborne New Zealand should
Speaker 2: be exploring.
Speaker 4: I think they are exploring it, and I think you've
Speaker 4: got to explore every avenue you possibly can. I mean,
Speaker 4: as we know, all the American sports are privately owned,
Speaker 4: and my goodness me, look at how women's basketball over
Speaker 4: there has grown as the private owners have invested more
Speaker 4: in their game. So I think, you know, you've got
Speaker 4: to look at every opportunity and a private investors and
Speaker 4: my goodness, may they couldn't invest in anything better? Could they?
Speaker 2: No? No, you did right? And for years the broadcast
Speaker 2: deal has underpinned the competition. This feels share all like
Speaker 2: a chance to stop relying so heavily on one income
Speaker 2: stream and build a more diversified commercial model. I mean
Speaker 2: sometimes periods of disruption can have an opportunistic feel about them.
Speaker 2: Is that kind of where you feel we are that
Speaker 2: that word optimism you use that? Do you feel optimistic?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 4: I've always felt optimistic. I love the game, passionate about
Speaker 4: the game, and I absolutely believe that having several income
Speaker 4: streams is essential. And you know, the reality is, we
Speaker 4: haven't got fifty and seedar stadiums, so we're not going
Speaker 4: to drive huge revenue streams out of crowds. But what
Speaker 4: we can do is drive those streams on a number
Speaker 4: of digital platforms, through television, through numerous possibilities now that
Speaker 4: we didn't have in the past. So I see, yes,
Speaker 4: balance is important.
Speaker 2: Just to finish. If we're sitting here chatting in two
Speaker 2: or three years time saying Okay, Nepal got this right,
Speaker 2: what will have happened between now and then for us
Speaker 2: to have that positive conversation in two or three years
Speaker 2: from now.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that the redesigning of our business and
Speaker 4: the various competitions we have the support of the growth
Speaker 4: that the community level our centers do an absolutely fantastic
Speaker 4: job the way we look after our fans. You know
Speaker 4: we're getting rave reviews about that. I think three years
Speaker 4: time what we could see is netball goes to a
Speaker 4: whole new level if we get our new look absolutely right,
Speaker 4: and I have every confidence we will.
Speaker 2: Cheryl, thanks for joining us this afternoon, lending us your
Speaker 2: experience and your expertise. Here's to a positive future for
Speaker 2: the game of netball here in New Zealand.
Speaker 4: Absolutely and go the silver fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go the silver ferns. Indeed, Cheryl, they play tonight,
Speaker 2: don't they calm games against Scotland. That's Cheryl Dawson, your
Speaker 2: chance to react or to contribute to this conversation now, oh,
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are well and
Speaker 2: truly open on this. I'm not interested in a pylon
Speaker 2: on netball New Zealand or we are where we are.
Speaker 2: There's no real need to relitigate how this has happened,
Speaker 2: apart from, of course, understanding how it happened. As this
Speaker 2: was playing out over the last twelve months or so,
Speaker 2: we questioned those and positions of power, and many of
Speaker 2: those people are no longer in those positions of power.
Speaker 2: We're here now, we can't turn back time. There's no
Speaker 2: question that this has been a hugely disruptive time for
Speaker 2: the game of netball here. But with disruption comes opportunity.
Speaker 2: Much as there's a fair degree of short term pain
Speaker 2: to go through here, Netball New Zealand now have the
Speaker 2: chance to reimagine what the domestic competition should look like
Speaker 2: and most importantly, how it is financially underpinned. Board chair
Speaker 2: Alistair Carruthers, who fronted media yesterday and I think actually
Speaker 2: did a pretty good job, said a couple of things
Speaker 2: that really stood out to me. He said, turnarounds begin
Speaker 2: when you have a shared understanding of the problem. Now
Speaker 2: that's a very corporate phrase, but it is accurate. Netball
Speaker 2: New Zealand's biggest problem is obviously financial. For far too
Speaker 2: long they have relied on broadcasting money from Sky to
Speaker 2: run their domestic competition, and because of institutional complacency, which
Speaker 2: at times flowed into arrogance, they believe that tap would
Speaker 2: not be turned off. They thought netball was untouchable because
Speaker 2: of its place in our sporting history and its incredibly
Speaker 2: strong community connection massive participation numbers. But things change, nothing
Speaker 2: is certain, and having all of your eggs in one
Speaker 2: financial basket is never a sound strategy. And now that
Speaker 2: basket has been removed and Netball and New Zealand are
Speaker 2: financially exposed. But there's a chance now to stop relying
Speaker 2: so heavily on one income stream and build a more
Speaker 2: diversified commercial model. It amazes me and Cheryl brought this
Speaker 2: up that businesses who target a female market are not
Speaker 2: queuing up to invest in netball to connect with its
Speaker 2: enormous community base and to align with our elite players
Speaker 2: who are not only great athletes, but many of them
Speaker 2: rarely magnetic personalities. Look, we could sit here and very
Speaker 2: very quickly easily make a list of the products and
Speaker 2: services that large segments of the female population use and
Speaker 2: also make the purchasing decisions about in their households. Hair
Speaker 2: care and skincare, clothing brands, technology, travel, food and beverage,
Speaker 2: motor vehicles. That's just a start. But commercial partners are
Speaker 2: not charities. Netborn New Zealand can't go cap in hand
Speaker 2: to sponsors and ask them to bail them out. They
Speaker 2: need to show them the value of a long term
Speaker 2: partnership with them. There's no doubt that commercial sponsors currently
Speaker 2: undervalue netball. And maybe in a world where those partnerships
Speaker 2: weren't important because there was a big pot of broadcast money,
Speaker 2: those relationships weren't nurtured properly by Netball New Zealand because
Speaker 2: they always had the TV money. Now they don't. So
Speaker 2: let's start again. Let's reopen those conversations or start some
Speaker 2: new ones, come up with a suite of benefits for
Speaker 2: those partners, show them value and start to build a
Speaker 2: diverse revenue base to support the domestic competition and in fact,
Speaker 2: the game of netball here in this country. As I
Speaker 2: said at the start, we are here now, we're here now.
Speaker 2: Previous netball leaders at governance and operational level have dropped
Speaker 2: the ball, or at the very least taken their eyes
Speaker 2: off it. But that's only going to be a disaster
Speaker 2: if you don't pick it back up again.
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Speaker 8: Hello Calvin, Yeah, in to your fini. If the netpor situation,
Speaker 8: it can only be overcome with money, you know, like
Speaker 8: somebody like me wins forty minutes tonight. I'll be down
Speaker 8: there to see them. But the reality is before they
Speaker 8: had the A n Z Championship under different guys as
Speaker 8: of premiership and championship they had before that started a
Speaker 8: few years ago. It previously the Nepal situation. New Zealand
Speaker 8: was an annual competition for the best club team, which
Speaker 8: was the local Verdet's Hamilton team. They won a two
Speaker 8: or three years running against all of the other club
Speaker 8: teams in New Zealand. And I can recall going out
Speaker 8: to Mystery Creek on the outskirts of Hamilton City where
Speaker 8: the field days is held of their big building, and
Speaker 8: they had three courts set up inside there and you
Speaker 8: could go out there and if you position yourself correctly,
Speaker 8: you could keep one eye and the whole three games
Speaker 8: going at the same time. But then of course it changed.
Speaker 8: The A and Z coming in in those days, they
Speaker 8: started up the team's Foce Diamonds, Comets, Wildcats, Magic Flyers, Shakers, Games,
Speaker 8: Rebels and Sting and after one year they ditched the
Speaker 8: comets and.
Speaker 2: They Calvin, Calvin, Calvin. Before you go much further, mate,
Speaker 2: I'd rather look ahead here. Have we got some solutions
Speaker 2: moving forward?
Speaker 8: Well, as I said right from the staff, the only
Speaker 8: solution is money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and I've said, you know that's where they
Speaker 2: have to diversify their income streams. They haven't got the
Speaker 2: broadcast money anymore. They must diversify their income streams. And
Speaker 2: the most obvious one to me is commercial partnerships and
Speaker 2: and you know commercializing I guess alternative broadcast platforms as well.
Speaker 2: This is a self perpetuating thing if Netborn New Zealand
Speaker 2: start to partner with some some corporates, some as I
Speaker 2: said before, some businesses who target a largely female demographic.
Speaker 2: You know, you go to a game of ams Premiership
Speaker 2: netball right now, a couple of things. You go to
Speaker 2: a game, it's the in game experience is terrific. Anyone
Speaker 2: who's been to an AM's Premiership netball game, we'll say,
Speaker 2: we'll tell you that it's a really good experience. The
Speaker 2: game day experience is excellent. And these franchises, clubs call
Speaker 2: them what you will, are doing a really good job
Speaker 2: of super serving those who come along. But then you
Speaker 2: look around, and I had this point it out to
Speaker 2: me by somebody who's a very stute observer of sport
Speaker 2: in this country. You look around at the advertising hoardings
Speaker 2: and the commercial partners are not those you'd expect. Where
Speaker 2: are the haircare brands, Where are the skincare brands? Where
Speaker 2: are the technology companies, the travel these sorts of things
Speaker 2: that that you know target, if not exclusively, then largely
Speaker 2: a female customer base. Where is this alignment? Why aren't
Speaker 2: these companies being partnered with Oh, eight hundred and eighty
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Speaker 9: Hell, they cann't rely on your reserves any longer. That's
Speaker 9: no good. What are they doing in Australia and Australia
Speaker 9: make a profit. We could copy what they do over there.
Speaker 9: They wouldn't be making a loss, would they.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, I don't think the super
Speaker 2: Nipple competition is making a loss. They've got a broadcast
Speaker 2: deal Ellison, which helps obviously is a huge help, but
Speaker 2: they also have other revenue strings as well. Commercial one
Speaker 2: big of country of course. But you know they're they're
Speaker 2: doing okay, Yeah, I just thought.
Speaker 9: The advertising site, they've got to do something different. It
Speaker 9: won't be fixed until a couple of years. A whay,
Speaker 9: it looks like it's just unfortunate for the players. It
Speaker 9: must be hard for them. They don't know what money
Speaker 9: they're going to get you and that's why they have
Speaker 9: to go to Australia obviously. But as that people lady
Speaker 9: said our firitual and said, it's good for these other
Speaker 9: players here because the ones going over there to get
Speaker 9: all these other ones coming through. So that is very
Speaker 9: good for our ones coming through, the ones coming through.
Speaker 9: But it must be annoying, well, not knowing what money
Speaker 9: you're going to be getting for you to live on.
Speaker 9: As what I would say there, that's for the players,
Speaker 9: you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll say yeah yeahertain and uncertain future is exactly what
Speaker 2: they have they do and as much as that is
Speaker 2: going to be the cause of anxiety, we as I said,
Speaker 2: we are where we are so nipple New Zealand and
Speaker 2: their wisdom have said, right, you don't, you don't have
Speaker 2: to stay. You can go if you can get a
Speaker 2: contract somewhere else. And Alistair Caruther said this yesterday the
Speaker 2: chair of the board. If you can fight a contract
Speaker 2: somewhere else, but in Australia or further afield. You should
Speaker 2: take it because we can't offer you certainty right now.
Speaker 2: We're in the process of working towards that certainty, but
Speaker 2: at the moment we can't offer it to you. So
Speaker 2: if you're off at something overseas, you should take it.
Speaker 2: We're not going to penalize you by making you ineligible
Speaker 2: for the silver Ferns. Hopefully this is just a temporary situation,
Speaker 2: but I think that's wise because there is uncertainty. They
Speaker 2: had to do that. They couldn't hold players here because
Speaker 2: there's nothing to hold them herewith that will come. They
Speaker 2: will stand a competition up next year. It almost certainly
Speaker 2: won't look the same as this year, but they'll stand
Speaker 2: one up and then I presume anyway, they'll then work
Speaker 2: their way towards what a more structured future looks like.
Speaker 2: Good to talk to Ellison, Steve Simon, Please hold with
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Speaker 10: Yeah, about netball, we have to face a harsh reality
Speaker 10: that it doesn't dominate the market anymore. This cricket, the
Speaker 10: football is rugby sevens, rugby league, basketball, and all of
Speaker 10: US athletics, cycling and other things that young woman and girls,
Speaker 10: and it's more entertaining the public are telling us this.
Speaker 2: You're talking about in a participation sent Simon, or in
Speaker 2: a viewing sense or both.
Speaker 10: Well, well, I know participation is excellent, you know, at
Speaker 10: a young age grade. But but there's so many other
Speaker 10: choices that the young women to work, to do and play,
Speaker 10: and the public enjoying watching some of these other games
Speaker 10: more than they are watching netball.
Speaker 2: Yep. I would I would agree with that, Simon. I
Speaker 2: would agree that there are way more options. And as
Speaker 2: I said at the top or during this discussion, I
Speaker 2: think there's been a degree of complacency with netble that
Speaker 2: it has or and maybe other sports in this country
Speaker 2: and Rugby's been accused of this. Maybe there's a complacency
Speaker 2: about the iconic nature of the sport in New Zealand.
Speaker 2: And I guess, ignoring the fact that you're right, there
Speaker 2: are a lot more, a lot more, a lot more
Speaker 2: sports around now.
Speaker 10: Yeah, five warman sports that they would would would rather watch,
Speaker 10: that's all, you know. They're more entertaining.
Speaker 2: Good on assigning. Look, I mean, and you're right, this
Speaker 2: is the environment we live in. But you look at
Speaker 2: those other sports and you say, well, they've had to
Speaker 2: cut their cloth to suit as well. I've had it
Speaker 2: pointed out to me by a couple of people that
Speaker 2: netball doesn't have a large men's competition to complement the
Speaker 2: women's side. It's probably the only sport in New Zealand
Speaker 2: anyway where the women's game is way more popular than
Speaker 2: the men's game. A lot of other sports, you know,
Speaker 2: the women's game is catching up to the men's game.
Speaker 2: And I look at football, and I look at rugby,
Speaker 2: and I look at cricket. All of those sports basketball,
Speaker 2: they have elite competitions for both genders. Netball doesn't have that,
Speaker 2: so it doesn't have a men's competition or an aspect
Speaker 2: to it to underpin or to help support the women's
Speaker 2: side of things. But Simon's right, there are other games
Speaker 2: in town, and so the complacency around netball being the
Speaker 2: only game in town both for participation and for or
Speaker 2: viewership is gone. That's that's no longer the case. So
Speaker 2: adapt I want to go back to the commercial side
Speaker 2: of this though, and I know this takes expertise, and
Speaker 2: even some of our big, big sports have trouble commercializing themselves,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean sports with you know, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to use football as an example. New Zealand football.
Speaker 2: Yes they've got commercial partners, but you think to yourself,
Speaker 2: with the participation base that they have, you know, there
Speaker 2: must be opportunities for big partnerships, and there are, there are.
Speaker 2: But I think there's the expertise that is also needed
Speaker 2: in these in these conversations, we're talking big big companies
Speaker 2: here and up on New Zealand. It's not a big
Speaker 2: big company. You know, how many staff would they have
Speaker 2: I don't know, But would they have the commercial expertise?
Speaker 2: Would they have the numbers in their phone to know
Speaker 2: who to go to to start having these conversations at
Speaker 2: the Laurels of this world. How are you Steve?
Speaker 11: Gooday, how are you very good?
Speaker 2: Steve? Thanks, thanks for calling.
Speaker 12: I'd just like to say I was involved with one
Speaker 12: of the franchises a few years ago and under the
Speaker 12: previous management of Netbal New Zealand, and we had a
Speaker 12: lot of local people that wanted to support and fund
Speaker 12: and provide sponsorship dollars, but it was controlled by Netble
Speaker 12: New Zealand and so if they had to say we
Speaker 12: wanted to go to the local ponder dealer, they had
Speaker 12: to deal with Fear, which delivered nothing to the local franchises.
Speaker 12: We could have actually made our franchise sustainable by going
Speaker 12: to all the local people that would have supported our franchise.
Speaker 12: But New Zealand, under the previous regime and I've been
Speaker 12: out of it for a few years, just controlled the
Speaker 12: whole process and said you can't go there, you can't
Speaker 12: go there, all of those things, and have actually stifled
Speaker 12: our ability to raise funds and to get sponsorship. We
Speaker 12: could have we could have actually using the model that
Speaker 12: I'm sure the Crusaders and the High Livers and the
Speaker 12: Blues and everybody else they went to their local sponsors
Speaker 12: and got significant funding. We could have done that, but
Speaker 12: we were controlled by Netwing New Zealand under the previous regime.
Speaker 12: As I said, I've been out of it for a
Speaker 12: few years, but that was for Stifler for it. I
Speaker 12: agree with you. There's all these and then they said,
Speaker 12: well we will get the funding for you through sponsorship.
Speaker 12: They never delivered. Now the new regime might do that,
Speaker 12: but I agree a hundred received with you. Why aren't
Speaker 12: every woman's passion product on Netball New Zealand's radar. The
Speaker 12: other thing was we had a classic back in the
Speaker 12: day where we could have got a sponsor, you know,
Speaker 12: if we could have got naming rights for our franchise
Speaker 12: from a serious woman's retailer, but they decided instead of
Speaker 12: doing that, they wanted to put a sign on the
Speaker 12: wall at the rugby stadium. So there's also that sort
Speaker 12: of it's controlled by those people that make the buying decisions,
Speaker 12: and some of them are just they just want to
Speaker 12: be seen with an all black versus one of the netballers.
Speaker 12: Whereas the netball girls are absolutely fantastic. Every time we
Speaker 12: had a function, they are the best mixes with everybody.
Speaker 12: You go to a rugby function and the rugby guys
Speaker 12: are all sitting in the corner by them having a
Speaker 12: few beers, whereas the netball girls get out and socialize
Speaker 12: with all the sponsors that we did have and they
Speaker 12: sponsor and they are superb. I can't believe that the
Speaker 12: commercial people in New Zealand aren't supporting.
Speaker 2: Netball more Steve, I totally a great, great summary. I
Speaker 2: agree on all points. The one of the sponsorship one
Speaker 2: is so interesting to me. As you say, if you know,
Speaker 2: if a national body has a car dealer or a
Speaker 2: bank or whatever it might be as a major sponsor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not rare, is it that they'll say, right the
Speaker 2: car market, you can't approach, you can't have a you know,
Speaker 2: you can't have feet if we've got Ford or vice versa,
Speaker 2: why not? Why not?
Speaker 13: You know?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, exactly what you'd explain to me. Why not?
Speaker 2: Or if there's a reason that it's in the contract,
Speaker 2: then change the contract. I get that a you know,
Speaker 2: a Netborne New Zealand might want to get a and
Speaker 2: I'm just blucking names out here, I might want to
Speaker 2: get a mist of Bishy on board right to sponsor them,
Speaker 2: But in that contract, say hey, in order to to
Speaker 2: create sustainable franchises. You might have exclusivity. You'll have exclusivity
Speaker 2: over the overall competition, but not over the over the clubs.
Speaker 2: And if that's if that's a sticking point, then just
Speaker 2: work the contract.
Speaker 14: Just work it one hundred percent degree. You've got exclusivity
Speaker 14: for the firms. But if the Tactics or the Steel
Speaker 14: or whoever want to go and do something with a
Speaker 14: local dealer, they can do it because that's where the
Speaker 14: money is. Because in all of those local French like
Speaker 14: I'm in South Island, are all those local franchises, they
Speaker 14: would support them because they know how powerful the brand
Speaker 14: of net Bull is. But they're controlled by the over
Speaker 14: overarching umbrella which says no, you can't go there, you
Speaker 14: can't go there. It's absolutely bes because if they could
Speaker 14: go to their local I don't know, do you Mitsabushi
Speaker 14: sponsored the fans, Fine, but we are the Steel or
Speaker 14: we are the Tactics, so we can go to our
Speaker 14: local guy who wants to be supportive of us and
Speaker 14: be involved with us, and he wants to give us
Speaker 14: serious bucks.
Speaker 12: Where's the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, there isn't one Steve unless you make one
Speaker 2: good on your mate and just on on your point
Speaker 2: about the athletes and how good they are as ambassadors
Speaker 2: and working a room. I couldn't agree more. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: been at corporate functions where you know, the pulse have
Speaker 2: been for example, and they're just I mean, why would
Speaker 2: you not want to align with athletes like that? They
Speaker 2: you know, they's such good communicators and brand ambassadors. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we're probably preaching to the converted. You and I, Steve,
Speaker 2: thanks for your call mate another Steve got you in
Speaker 2: just a second before I get to you. Got to
Speaker 2: take a break before that, can Ponty. I work with
Speaker 2: a new CEO, Jenny Wooten in the sports sector. She's
Speaker 2: open minded, a good communicator and an all round sharp operator.
Speaker 2: They've made a good pointment there not to loss over
Speaker 2: the challenges she faces, but I have confidence she will
Speaker 2: deliver for netball. Yeah, Jenna Whatson impresses me in terms
Speaker 2: of her CV. Look forward to chatting to her when
Speaker 2: she gets into the role in August. But you're right,
Speaker 2: she's got a she's got a big job ahead, Steve.
Speaker 2: I'm with you after this. We're talking netball till one
Speaker 2: sixteen away from one here on Weekend.
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Speaker 15: Get a Steve kay Man, how are you brother?
Speaker 11: Good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, Thank you Steve Hey.
Speaker 15: Listen, mate, I totally agree with that last guy, and
Speaker 15: also with you mate. There's there's a lot of money
Speaker 15: floating around for interest and sponsoring Nepple. There's there's no
Speaker 15: problem about that, okive issue as I can tell you
Speaker 15: that from first hand experience as well. Problem is when
Speaker 15: we try to put some some local sponsorship and we're
Speaker 15: talking you know, as a company, we're looking at we
Speaker 15: were looking at sort of two U three different regions,
Speaker 15: you know, you know, just putting in some su sponsorship.
Speaker 15: Bloody hell Neple New Zealand said, oh, no, you can't
Speaker 15: do that because you know, we have agreements with you
Speaker 15: know another you know, it's sort of company that's in
Speaker 15: our industry and they take exclusivity. And I said, made,
Speaker 15: that's yes, That's totally yes, because the kind of money
Speaker 15: that we're putting in us for grassroots is going to
Speaker 15: benefit the primary and the college girls, get them equipment,
Speaker 15: get them some transport bolts of the competition in those areas,
Speaker 15: because that's really the feeder to your competition. They said,
Speaker 15: oh no, no, we can't, we can't do that. We've
Speaker 15: got other we've got exclusivity with you know, national and
Speaker 15: international brands, and we just pulled out, mate. And the
Speaker 15: kind of money that we're talking about for you know,
Speaker 15: sort of three for different regions was you know, out
Speaker 15: of fifty k and I would have thought, you know,
Speaker 15: look ten k p per region. That would help the
Speaker 15: local schools and different things. Gives us a little bit
Speaker 15: of branding and say, the supports my girls that play
Speaker 15: in that particular reason. And we just gave up, mate,
Speaker 15: after two years of trying to talk to them, we
Speaker 15: just gave up. And you're probably find Piney that there's
Speaker 15: a lot of regional, local businesses that would really love
Speaker 15: to support that at at the most bigger scale. But yeah,
Speaker 15: Netble New Zealand, which are so closed minded off and
Speaker 15: that's one of the reasons why it turns people off.
Speaker 15: It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2: I hope it changes, Steve, because you're so right. It's
Speaker 2: you know, they and I understand the concept right of
Speaker 2: course I do. If Netble New Zealand, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: you don't send this to If Newborn New Zealand are
Speaker 2: talking to a big car dealer, let's use them as
Speaker 2: an example. They would like to be able to offer
Speaker 2: them exclusivity across the game in New Zealand. But we
Speaker 2: are where we are, the future are what it used
Speaker 2: to be. So yes, we'd love to have you on board.
Speaker 2: We can offer you this benefit, this benefit, this benefit
Speaker 2: around the Silver Ferns and Zi Premiership, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: But you do not have exclusivity in terms of your
Speaker 2: industry within the game in New Zealand because we need
Speaker 2: to give our franchises and our regions the ability to
Speaker 2: commercialize their areas too. You just need to change the conversation.
Speaker 15: Man, It's absolutely and you look at rugby in the
Speaker 15: way that's done it with you know, with the guys
Speaker 15: like you know Albert and the Mills, Albert the sponsor
Speaker 15: of the the Wellington lines and those sort of companies,
Speaker 15: fantastic organizations, you know what I mean. You know you've
Speaker 15: got Malcolm Gillies and Wellington. He sponsors a lot of
Speaker 15: sport and a lot of those guys look they would
Speaker 15: love to get involved in neple in a most bigger
Speaker 15: way as well, because, as you quote rightly say, nepple,
Speaker 15: I would say is probably the most popular sport in
Speaker 15: New Zealand for females hands down.
Speaker 2: Yep it is, Steve, it is and so and make
Speaker 2: great to talk to you, mate. We should talk again soon.
Speaker 2: It's here. We are in a position where there is
Speaker 2: still a massive, massive netball community. All right, it's massive there.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: You go to any nepball court anywhere in this country
Speaker 2: on winter Saturday morning and the evidence is there for
Speaker 2: all to see. There must be a way to commercialize there.
Speaker 2: A part of Harmer of pushed us right up against
Speaker 2: the top of the hour, mate, But always good to
Speaker 2: chat to.
Speaker 15: You, okay, bro, I'll be pretty quick then hopefully you
Speaker 15: can hear me. There's a lot of concrete around there.
Speaker 10: In more Wilson's.
Speaker 16: I feel like there's a model pony that is ready
Speaker 16: to be copied, that's run on a shoe string, has
Speaker 16: coverage on Sky. It ain't making much money, but it
Speaker 16: pays its athletes. That's the sales MBL. They got more teams. Okay,
Speaker 16: they have their struggles, but they're on TV. They get
Speaker 16: imports in We don't need imports in netball, but I
Speaker 16: don't know. Sit down and talk to them, figure out
Speaker 16: how they do it, and you can probably save your
Speaker 16: comp We're a small market pony and there's not a
Speaker 16: lot of money to go around these days. But lean
Speaker 16: into socials, find other ways to support sponsors, make it regional.
Speaker 16: But yeah, sales MBL, good model for me.
Speaker 8: That's it.
Speaker 2: Good on your Padahama and enjoy more Wilson's love it there.
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Speaker 2: You're involved in netball sponsorship. What's your view on this?
Speaker 17: Gay parney and not great topic? And I think I've
Speaker 17: only got sixty seconds, so I'll be quickly. I am
Speaker 17: a mainline sponsor of one of the netball leads, that's
Speaker 17: the netball lead that feeds into the Premiership. Done it
Speaker 17: for about five years, so I'm the ext a guy
Speaker 17: who writes out the chick to New Zealand Netball and
Speaker 17: I'd have to say in the five years have been involved,
Speaker 17: they have been absolutely fantastic in the commercial process and
Speaker 17: everything connected to it. But the problem that all businesses have,
Speaker 17: including ours New Zealand Netball, is the market's constantly changing
Speaker 17: and the costs of running a business in the cost
Speaker 17: of sport involvement and that sort of thing has skyrocket
Speaker 17: in it and it's something that you're right. The model
Speaker 17: has to change. I don't know what the final product is,
Speaker 17: but you know I'm in to here business. I do
Speaker 17: spots in New Zealand and they are great, the girls
Speaker 17: are great. Current fault them, but looking forward to what
Speaker 17: the next way it's going to look, don't know, can't wait.
Speaker 2: Good on your Calvin. Hey, we well summarized and look
Speaker 2: you sound like the kind of guy who needs to
Speaker 2: be involved in the discussion. I hope that the relationship
Speaker 2: with Netball New Zealand continues to be a fruitful one
Speaker 2: for you. Thanks for calling and apologize I had to
Speaker 2: catch you so short. Let's shed again sometime. Really good topic.
Speaker 2: As I say, dozens and dozens of texts for people
Speaker 2: to say that you know no one cares about netball,
Speaker 2: I would utterly refute that. Thanks Roy, your calls more
Speaker 2: to come on.
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Speaker 2: weekend Sport until three Calm Games up and running. It's
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Speaker 2: The Blues are double defending champions Muta Too won at
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Speaker 2: the game for US. Adam Peacock did you see this
Speaker 2: story during the week Adam Peacock, our Australian correspondent that
Speaker 2: Todd Greenberg, who is the CEO of Cricket Australia, said well,
Speaker 2: we might play an ASHES test in India. What what
Speaker 2: do you mean? It might have been taken out of context.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll ask Adam about it. But to
Speaker 2: suggest that an ASHES test should be played outside of
Speaker 2: Australia or England, it's just hair brain, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: Look?
Speaker 2: I get certain sports taking games to different places. Look,
Speaker 2: the NFL is coming down to Australia, isn't it in
Speaker 2: a state of origins? Coming to New Zealand. I get that,
Speaker 2: you know, one in Queensland, one in New South Wales.
Speaker 2: You know for the last long time, for the last
Speaker 2: long time. That's good grammar, for a long time. Now
Speaker 2: they have taken a game outside of those two states.
Speaker 2: But an ASHES test in India really anyway, we'll get
Speaker 2: to that. Thanks for all of your feedback, calls, correspondents, emails,
Speaker 2: texts and such like on the netball topic last hour.
Speaker 2: It is a live conversation, a live conversation. Just to
Speaker 2: rap it, I would say that it feels as though
Speaker 2: we're in good hands moving forward. At the very least
Speaker 2: Alistair Caruther's board chair, Interim CEO Jane Patterson and incoming
Speaker 2: CEO Jenna Wooton have shown a willingness to pick up
Speaker 2: the ball that has been dropped here and to at
Speaker 2: least do something about it. At the risk of repeating myself,
Speaker 2: we are where we are. It's only a catastrophe if
Speaker 2: you don't react positively to it. There's some work to
Speaker 2: do and some short term pain to go through, but
Speaker 2: it feels as though at least they've taken the first
Speaker 2: cautiously optimistic steps along this journey towards a reimagined domestic competition.
Speaker 2: The Silver Ferns in action tonight, actually so we can
Speaker 2: watch some nipple on the court. They play Scotland eight
Speaker 2: o'clock tonight and the New Zealand team have their first
Speaker 2: medals of the Glasgow Commonwealth Games, Lewis Claibert in the
Speaker 2: two hundred meter individual medley.
Speaker 5: But look at this from Duncan Scott. He's a defending
Speaker 5: champion in this Man's stood of movie and he's gonna
Speaker 5: win gold by thinks.
Speaker 11: Charging love is Claireburt. He's going to get that, such
Speaker 11: as just.
Speaker 5: Duncan Scott's Duncan Scott Wan's the gold on the very
Speaker 5: last stroke, my goodness being Lewis Claireber came flying back
Speaker 5: down that last fifty What's a wonderful race.
Speaker 2: That was a great race from Lewis Clarebird who set
Speaker 2: a new New Zealand record, obviously a new personal best
Speaker 2: and improved on the bronze that he won in this
Speaker 2: event four years ago. So a silver for Lewis Clairebird
Speaker 2: in the two hundred individual medley, just behind Scotland's Duncan Scott.
Speaker 2: Erica Fairweather has also picked up silver in the women's
Speaker 2: four hundred meter freestyle.
Speaker 5: But the gold mad that's going to go to Australia's
Speaker 5: ninety Pallister. Her first four hundred med is freestyles higher
Speaker 5: the Tomworlf Games.
Speaker 3: A wonderful swoman.
Speaker 5: Look at that three fifty nine to fifty six and
Speaker 5: grace went from her. The silver's a Fairweather of New Zealand's,
Speaker 5: but the thorns has gone to the sad Australium.
Speaker 3: That's Jenni Forrester Seer.
Speaker 2: Swim Here, well done to Erica Fairweather and Lewis Claire Bert.
Speaker 2: Let's bring in one of the New Zealand swim team
Speaker 2: coaches in Glasgow, massively experienced swim coach at multiple Commonwealth
Speaker 2: and Olympic Games. David Lyles David, a great way to
Speaker 2: start the games for our swim team with a couple
Speaker 2: of medals. How much of a boost is it to
Speaker 2: get to get a couple of your swimmers standing on
Speaker 2: the podium nice and early in the games?
Speaker 11: Huge boost, Jason, Day one.
Speaker 18: If you hit the ground running, then you're off to
Speaker 18: a flying star and things can build momentum from there.
Speaker 18: We've had one hundred percent success rate today converting heats
Speaker 18: and semifinals into finals, and two of those finals into metals,
Speaker 18: so we couldn't really have asked for about a soth.
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the two races where we've
Speaker 2: got the medals. Erica's race, I heard her afterwards say
Speaker 2: she didn't put the race together very well, but was
Speaker 2: still happy with the outcome. How do you assess her final?
Speaker 18: Well, I mean, that's Erica's first medal at the kom
Speaker 18: Off Games. She's she's incredible, experienced, But that race, if
Speaker 18: you look in the world rankings, the Aussies are stacked,
Speaker 18: the Canadians are stank, the Americans are stacked, and Erica's
Speaker 18: right up there with the best in the world. There's
Speaker 18: a there's a tiny group of girls and ladies that
Speaker 18: have gone sub four minutes. She's lucky to be in there,
Speaker 18: and it just shows, you know, fourth of the Olympic
Speaker 18: second the Komos Komos is not an easy ride for swimming.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. So she'll be happy with the silver though.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I heard her say afterwards when she
Speaker 2: said she didn't put together the race the way she wanted.
Speaker 2: But what does she mean by that?
Speaker 18: Well, I mean I don't coach Erica personally, but I
Speaker 18: would think that the way she's split and paced the race.
Speaker 18: You know, you have many choices before the race. I'm
Speaker 18: going to go out fast, I'm going to go out
Speaker 18: steady and build. I'm going to go out fast and whole.
Speaker 18: I'm going to negative split, come back faster on the
Speaker 18: second half of the race. And so maybe she's just
Speaker 18: going to go back and rethink a strategy. But she's
Speaker 18: racing Lonie Palliser. I mean, she's, you know, Olympic medalist
Speaker 18: and one of the very top female distance swimmers in
Speaker 18: the world right now, has been you know, within striking
Speaker 18: De Cincellani and you can't underestimate and the success and
Speaker 18: the performers there.
Speaker 2: We also hid three kiwi's in that final, with Caitlin
Speaker 2: Dean's and Eve Thomas there as well. There in itself
Speaker 2: has to be significant, doesn't it. Three Keywi swimmers in
Speaker 2: the final.
Speaker 11: Well, I'm glad you mentioned that.
Speaker 18: I mean we're only allowed to enter three, so we
Speaker 18: got the maximum number of ladies. And I mean those
Speaker 18: three girls of all swam at this level for a
Speaker 18: number of years and to get them all in the
Speaker 18: final from from Letlold, New Zealand is an awesome achievement.
Speaker 2: So Erica on the podium and then we straight away
Speaker 2: afterwards watched Lewis Clarbert one manute fifty six point seven
Speaker 2: seven of pbee and New Zealand record second and he
Speaker 2: was closing in, wasn't he. If there'd been another teen
Speaker 2: meters in that race, you may well have been number
Speaker 2: ten meters.
Speaker 11: Yeah, another ten meters Lewis have had the gold.
Speaker 18: I mean Duncan Scott, a world class swimmer his own right,
Speaker 18: multiple Olympic medalist, come off summer swimming in front of
Speaker 18: his parents, his home crowd, his home nation. I mean
Speaker 18: Duncan was always going to be hard to beat, but
Speaker 18: Lewis was coming back like a train and he gave
Speaker 18: a really good race, awesome PB and a great result.
Speaker 2: For him absolutely. I heard him say afterwards as well
Speaker 2: about his lane draw. If he was a bit closer
Speaker 2: to Duncan Scott might then have made a difference.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it probably would have. I mean it was super
Speaker 11: tight in the heats.
Speaker 18: I think there was four or five boys within a
Speaker 18: tenth of a second. I mean, blink your eyes and
Speaker 18: five guys have finished a race. And so yeah, he
Speaker 18: was just on the wrong side perhaps for that. But yeah,
Speaker 18: he's had an awesome swim national record on day one.
Speaker 11: I think he's going to go well this week.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And also well, you mentioned before you've had a
Speaker 2: tremendous strike rate in terms of getting swimmers into, you know,
Speaker 2: into finals. I see hazels An oven Hand and Zoe
Speaker 2: Peterson have also made the final of the women's fifty
Speaker 2: meter butterfly.
Speaker 18: Yeah, another great set of results for us, those two
Speaker 18: girls of a world class.
Speaker 11: Obviously, Zoe world junior champion last year.
Speaker 18: Hazel's my swimmer, She's the reason and I'm here, so
Speaker 18: I'm relieved that she's gone through with a fairly high ranking.
Speaker 18: I mean again, she's ranked. She was ranked seventh in
Speaker 18: the world last year. She's ranked third here at the Comwells.
Speaker 18: But the Aussies of South Africans is fighting for medals.
Speaker 18: If we can get at least one of those ladies
Speaker 18: on the podium tomorrow, we've done another fantastic job.
Speaker 2: Well just on Hazeldeen, I mean, you have a pretty
Speaker 2: obviously a very close connection with her. How do you
Speaker 2: assay her chances to find herself on the podium.
Speaker 18: Well, I mean she's coming ranked third, She's going into
Speaker 18: the final ranked third. She had a bit of a
Speaker 18: shaky heat this morning. I think I was fair to say.
Speaker 18: I think I can qualify to say that.
Speaker 11: But she pulled.
Speaker 18: She pulled a much bigger swim tonight. There's still more
Speaker 18: in the tank. She's not on PB yet. But to
Speaker 18: be honest, when you're at this level and it's she's
Speaker 18: a hundredth I think ahead of fourth place, it's who
Speaker 18: touches the wall. The time is really irrelevant. It's about
Speaker 18: racing and finishing.
Speaker 2: What's the swimming venue, like, David, give us give us
Speaker 2: an insight into it, you know, I mean you've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of these, You've seen a lot of pools.
Speaker 2: What's this one like?
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, well, I'll come originally from the UK.
Speaker 18: I've been coming to Glasgow for probably twenty the best part.
Speaker 11: Of twenty years, not more than twenty years.
Speaker 18: The last come Walf Games were held here as well,
Speaker 18: so for those of us old.
Speaker 11: Enough to remember those brings back fond memories.
Speaker 18: Last time we were here we got medals in the
Speaker 18: four hundred prey as well.
Speaker 11: Yeah, the facilities were great.
Speaker 18: And the organization and the staff and everything couldn't be simpler.
Speaker 18: It's been a really good start for us in a
Speaker 18: great venue. We're happy to be here.
Speaker 2: I don't know, don't expect you to tell me if
Speaker 2: this is the case or not, but well, actually the
Speaker 2: first part of the question is do you have a
Speaker 2: middle target as far as the swim team is concerned.
Speaker 2: And I don't expect you to tell me what it is,
Speaker 2: but do you have one?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 18: I think I think, I think we haven't stated one
Speaker 18: publicly and we haven't really discussed it privately between as
Speaker 18: a staff, but we did set the bar really high.
Speaker 18: Fourth fastest ranked from the Commonwealth to be here, so
Speaker 18: everybody that's here. Swimming has a realistic opportunity to be
Speaker 18: top four. And once your top four in those middle
Speaker 18: lanes and you line up on the block, you know
Speaker 18: you've you've got a sniff of a medal. So, I mean,
Speaker 18: everybody could think about coming home with a medal, but
Speaker 18: I mean it's it's a different Kettler fish when you
Speaker 18: start racing some of the best womens in the world.
Speaker 18: So too in the first day, if we could keep
Speaker 18: that average up and finish finish the meet with eight
Speaker 18: ten sort of medals, we'd be coming home pretty happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine. So well, it's a great start
Speaker 2: with Ericafia, withther In Lewis Clearbert leading the way, Lots
Speaker 2: more to come, David, appreciate you taking the time for
Speaker 2: a check. We'll look forward to catching up again throughout
Speaker 2: the games.
Speaker 11: It's an honor to be on newstalks.
Speaker 18: There'd be I listen to you guys every day and
Speaker 18: at the weekend, and yeah, I wondered how long it
Speaker 18: will be before I go on, So yeah, anytime.
Speaker 2: I can't believe we've waited this long. David, great to
Speaker 2: chat to you, mate. Thanks for taking their cool my pleasure.
Speaker 2: Jason David Lyles there. He's part of our coaching team
Speaker 2: for our swimmers. He's been around for a while, international
Speaker 2: swim coach for Great Britain, for China, now for New Zealand.
Speaker 2: So great to have his expertise with us. So a
Speaker 2: couple of silvers, one for Lewis Clarebert, one for Erica
Speaker 2: fair Weather the Common Games when they roll around. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, we all become an expert on sports. We
Speaker 2: don't get the chance to watch as often as we
Speaker 2: otherwise might. You know, we all become experts on the
Speaker 2: different attributes that you need for the clean and jerk,
Speaker 2: or the snatch and weightlifting, or the optimum time to
Speaker 2: stay under water at the start of a backstroke race,
Speaker 2: or what the order of the events is and the
Speaker 2: de Catalon. Things like that and medals are what gets
Speaker 2: us engaged and great to have Lewis and Erica on
Speaker 2: the podium nice and early. Hopefully we get the time
Speaker 2: modern tradition as well of a of an athlete none
Speaker 2: of us have heard of, really, apart from those deeply
Speaker 2: invested in the sport that they're in vested in. Somebody
Speaker 2: who we haven't really heard of, but find themselves on
Speaker 2: the podium, blinking back tears and maybe even on the
Speaker 2: top of the national anthem playing they met Nicki Jenkins,
Speaker 2: the gymnast in nineteen ninety, Darren Ladell, the weightlifter, Tanya
Speaker 2: Murray the high jumper, lots of others who have sort
Speaker 2: of leaped into our consciousness because of their feats at
Speaker 2: Commonwealth Games. And whenever the Commonwealth Games roll around, I
Speaker 2: always hear these opinions being proffered by people. Are you
Speaker 2: know they're not the Olympics, That don't mean anything, They're
Speaker 2: not the World Champs. It's only the Commonwealth Games. Well,
Speaker 2: you tried telling that to anyone who stood on the
Speaker 2: dice and heard the national anthem, or even those who
Speaker 2: get to wear the fern. For many of these athletes,
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Games is a pinnacle event. They don't just
Speaker 2: mean something, They mean everything to these athletes. Anyone who
Speaker 2: downplays them needs, I reckon to go away, train for
Speaker 2: years and years, sacrifice a lot, experience every part of
Speaker 2: the emotional scale, shed blood, sweat and tears and equal
Speaker 2: measure and then tell me that they're insignificant. Of course,
Speaker 2: they're not going to carry the prestige of the Olympics.
Speaker 2: But you if you enjoy the Commonwealth Games for what
Speaker 2: they are, you can immerse yourself in some familiar and
Speaker 2: unfamiliar sports and find a lot of key. Weis to
Speaker 2: cheer on from the couch, So stock up on the
Speaker 2: coffee and get amongst it. I will be. Here's what
Speaker 2: you've got to look forward to. Tonight eight o'clock Silver Fern,
Speaker 2: Scotland and their first poll match. Good chance to watch
Speaker 2: some nepple on the court. Our artistic gymnasts, June McDonald,
Speaker 2: Courtney McGregor, seeing a shields. They're inaction, swimming plenty of that.
Speaker 2: Eric A fair weathers back in the poll. The two
Speaker 2: hundred freestyle heats tonight, the finals tomorrow morning if she
Speaker 2: makes it, Amber George and Savannah Eve Martin, and the
Speaker 2: one hundred backstroke heats seemis it tomorrow morning. If they
Speaker 2: make it. We've got the four by one hundred meter
Speaker 2: mixed freestyle relay heats. As the name would suggest, two males,
Speaker 2: two females. Eric A fair Weather, Chelsea Edwards, Cameron Gray
Speaker 2: and Carter Swift are our team. They're swimming in the
Speaker 2: heats later on tonight, the final tomorrow morning, and as
Speaker 2: you heard David mentioned that Hazel Owen, Hunt and Zoe
Speaker 2: Peterson are in the women's fifty meter butterfly final tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2: We've got a boxer, Finn bar O'Sullivan in the round
Speaker 2: of thirty two and the men's lightweight sixty kilogram class.
Speaker 2: He fights a Scottish fighter by the name of Nicholas Devlin.
Speaker 2: Three by three basketball New Zealand women in Action they
Speaker 2: play three games overnight tonight and our lawn bowlers as well,
Speaker 2: So lots of keywies to look out for and we'll
Speaker 2: be sure to bring you their successes across the next
Speaker 2: ten days or so. Here on News Talks, head B
Speaker 2: one twenty two. Let's take a break. When we come back,
Speaker 2: we'll head to christ Church where this afternoon the Super
Speaker 2: Rugby OPICCKI Final is taking place. Mata Tuo hosting the
Speaker 2: blues Kendrack Coxedge going to break it down for us when.
Speaker 3: We come back.
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Speaker 2: I will get to superbiopicky and has said a couple
Speaker 2: of texts to get through our piney says Jared Lewis,
Speaker 2: Claibert wasn't racing the two hundred and ten meter medley.
Speaker 2: If he didn't do it in two hundred meters, your
Speaker 2: comments are irrelevant. Sorry, Jared didn't mean to be irrelevant.
Speaker 2: I guess I was just trying to point out how
Speaker 2: close it was at the end. I'll try to be
Speaker 2: more relevant in the future. Get a piny any idea
Speaker 2: where Nicky Jenkins is these days? How great would it
Speaker 2: be to hear from her about what the nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: Commonwealth Games meant to her and how it changed her life? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we need to find out. I think in
Speaker 2: the past. I remember in the old radio sport days,
Speaker 2: we used to do a sort of a where are
Speaker 2: they now? Feature? And Nicki Jenkins was one that I
Speaker 2: was always really keen to find out about because he's
Speaker 2: this teenager who just sort of vaulted to a gold
Speaker 2: medal and sort of into New Zealand hearts in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: I know she carried on in her gymnastics career. To
Speaker 2: know where she is and Davin to her and you'll
Speaker 2: get on to that producer EXTRAORDINAI he'll find her speaking
Speaker 2: is one involved in swimming for forty years now, says Chrissy,
Speaker 2: I can say with confidence the current elite swimming squad
Speaker 2: is the best since Daniel Loder, Anthony Moss and the
Speaker 2: Ana simsic Era maybe even better. Chrissy, that is great
Speaker 2: to hear, really great to hear, and we look forward
Speaker 2: to more medals from them, and not just this year,
Speaker 2: but ahead to the Los Angeles Olympics in a couple
Speaker 2: of years as well. One twenty seven, let's go to
Speaker 2: rugby because the Super Rugby opicky season reaches its climax
Speaker 2: this afternoon. Mata Tuo hosting the Blues in what is
Speaker 2: shaping is a fascinating final in christ Church.
Speaker 19: Great goaline defense, butter two wide surely and it well
Speaker 19: Sarnson McGhee. Good patience rewarded by the Blues and they
Speaker 19: stretched the advantage back out Tonine Blues are and the
Speaker 19: Poems out and MARKETU will host the decider. The joy
Speaker 19: on the face of the defending champions because they know
Speaker 19: they're going to have another shot at defending the title
Speaker 19: that they won last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these two teams have split their meetings this season,
Speaker 2: the Blues winning a thrilling contest last weekend. But much
Speaker 2: are two doing enough to earn home advantage for the final.
Speaker 2: Pretty intriguing battle between the competition's best attack and one
Speaker 2: of its toughest defensive sides. Plenty of Black Fern stars
Speaker 2: on both teams and of course a title on the line.
Speaker 2: So to break it all down, we're joined by former
Speaker 2: Black Ferns captain sixty eight Test black Fern and now
Speaker 2: women's High Performance Pathway manager at New Zealand Rugby, as
Speaker 2: well as rugby commentator and analyst Kendrack cox Edge. Kendra,
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us ahead of this one. Have we
Speaker 2: got the best two teams in the final? Do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 20: I'd say I think we've got the two best teams
Speaker 20: in the final. I mean, obviously heavily got as saw
Speaker 20: the Power this season. You know, there's probably three teams
Speaker 20: for the first time ever in this competition. That was
Speaker 20: right down to the wire of who was going to
Speaker 20: make make the final. But I think overall we've got
Speaker 20: the two best teams. Then Clostally obviously unfortunately messed out
Speaker 20: by it by.
Speaker 2: The Power so Mata to earn the right to host
Speaker 2: despite their loss to the Blues last weekend. Psychologically, who
Speaker 2: would have taken more out of the game, the Blues
Speaker 2: with the worn or mater II securing home advantage.
Speaker 20: Well, I think it's can me Max stay like I think,
Speaker 20: you know, it's always good for your confidence to get
Speaker 20: that one leading into a into a final. But at
Speaker 20: the same time, with a loss, you can also learn
Speaker 20: learn quite a lot. And if you can learn and
Speaker 20: fix on the six up on the things that didn't
Speaker 20: go well in that game and lead it into training
Speaker 20: this week and into the game this week, I mean
Speaker 20: kind of find holes. So I think it can go
Speaker 20: either way. I mean, I wouldn't say that Master two
Speaker 20: are underdogs or anything, but like from that lost last week,
Speaker 20: they probably do go in as a slight Oh you
Speaker 20: know they lost last weekend? Can they get up this week?
Speaker 20: And I think, yeah, I've got no idea who's going
Speaker 20: to win win today? And I just thank god that
Speaker 20: we were under the roof because there is terrible down here,
Speaker 20: terrible that's raining and cold. So it's yeah, good that
Speaker 20: will be under the roof.
Speaker 2: Wonderful stuff. Yeah, great for running rugby. It's not great
Speaker 2: in Wellington where I am either, so I think we're
Speaker 2: all in the same boat there. As far as the
Speaker 2: fact that they played each other just so recently at Kendra.
Speaker 2: It's just say last weekend is that important? Today? Is
Speaker 2: that relevant at all? Or do we just clean the
Speaker 2: slate and say this is a Grand Final and none
Speaker 2: of that really matters.
Speaker 20: Yeah, clean slater, as you do, and I assume the
Speaker 20: players we're doing the same. You could say it's kind
Speaker 20: of one all throughout the season, but you go into
Speaker 20: it the clean slate, it's final footy. Anything can happen.
Speaker 20: We all know that we watched that final last year
Speaker 20: against the much Or two and the Blues as well,
Speaker 20: and that came down to the wire with the Braxton
Speaker 20: Johnson McGee got an intercept try which kind of sealed it.
Speaker 20: So I think, you know, it's one of those games,
Speaker 20: as you said, like they're both running footy, they both
Speaker 20: know where the tryline is. I think it's going to
Speaker 20: be good running rug because it'll be dry and just
Speaker 20: the accuracy of both teams is important. You could be
Speaker 20: a cliche and so for much I said, like obviously
Speaker 20: defense swims games. There's a couple of things on the
Speaker 20: HD last week that I know that they would have
Speaker 20: fixed up on leading into today's game. And if they
Speaker 20: get that right, I think we'll go down to the wire.
Speaker 2: No shortage of black ferns on both sides. There's a
Speaker 2: real role call of our top players playing in this
Speaker 2: final this afternoon, and I guess that's understandable once your
Speaker 2: reach Grand Final Day. Anyone in particular Kendro who you
Speaker 2: think might have a really significant impact on this final.
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's say for Martha turd Red kay p or
Speaker 20: Olsen Baker. I think she's scored eight tries in twenty
Speaker 20: twenty six and she's probably you know, that's a try
Speaker 20: a game. So I think someone like her, if she
Speaker 20: can lead that pack around and dominate the ball carrying
Speaker 20: in that tackle area, if they can't stop her, then
Speaker 20: if she gets that front football, I think it's going
Speaker 20: to be difficult for the likes of the Blues. But
Speaker 20: then you match it up with Leana mckelie two on
Speaker 20: the other side, who's a wrecking ball and who I
Speaker 20: think has been really obviously awesome in their lineouts too,
Speaker 20: which adds another both for her. So I think you've
Speaker 20: got Amaranti Setiti, who's an up and coming bolter. They's
Speaker 20: got those types of players, you know, and then you've
Speaker 20: got like a real hate, real hate dement mean, I
Speaker 20: think in a final, and probably a little bit biased
Speaker 20: being a half back, but I think whatever nine and
Speaker 20: ten gets get that team moving around the park early
Speaker 20: and dominates that Church in position, I think we'll end
Speaker 20: up taking out taking out the game. But then as
Speaker 20: long as that, you know, as I said earlier, the
Speaker 20: defense defense fums titles, so that's also going to play
Speaker 20: a big, big.
Speaker 15: Role as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess when you when you look at team lineups,
Speaker 2: and it's not just half backs who do this, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you sort of do gravitate towards nine and ten,
Speaker 2: don't you. And Tara Turner Rea her Dumont for the Blues,
Speaker 2: I mean real Dumont's been around for forever really, but
Speaker 2: she still seems to have such a big influence on games.
Speaker 2: I mean, without wanting to labor the point, how important
Speaker 2: might she be this afternoon?
Speaker 20: Yeah, in a role like that, it's heavily important. And
Speaker 20: I think with the Blues that I've probably kicked more
Speaker 20: than we've ever seen an over key. And you know,
Speaker 20: if you get your team into the right areas of
Speaker 20: the field, you know, she's a she's a triple threat
Speaker 20: with their game. And I think Musto will know that.
Speaker 20: So the likes of loose forwards, you know, Clipe Wilson
Speaker 20: Baker and that will be targeting, targeting here and making
Speaker 20: sure there's no space for her to get through any gaps.
Speaker 20: But your tens do play a big role, and obviously
Speaker 20: with them to two losing Hanna King for the season,
Speaker 20: but they've got Shanto Pookor who's their experience. So I
Speaker 20: was lucky enough to play with who's also a very
Speaker 20: talented kicker and obviously decision maker who vision decisions pretty
Speaker 20: high too. So you know those types of players we say,
Speaker 20: you know, big players need to make big players in finals.
Speaker 20: It's also an opportunity for the like the young ones
Speaker 20: like Amaranti Satiti to accept her dominance in finals footy.
Speaker 2: The Blues are definitely going into enemy territory. They'll know
Speaker 2: all about it this afternoon under the roofs. They have
Speaker 2: big crowd expected. How much of an advantage might home
Speaker 2: advantage be?
Speaker 20: Yeah, well I was look from obviously World Cup twenty
Speaker 20: twenty one or twenty twenty two. Sorry, you know, like
Speaker 20: having a home home crowd is heavily, heavily important if
Speaker 20: you get you know, to get them behind you. It
Speaker 20: does add an extra player, I would say to your
Speaker 20: team in terms of that, So it is, it is
Speaker 20: always hard and as they've been inside andctually probably getting
Speaker 20: a decent crowd as well. I think there's over ten
Speaker 20: thousand tickets tickets sold now, which is awesome and you
Speaker 20: know you can kind of get up for that time.
Speaker 20: It's the first time in the finals been in the
Speaker 20: South Island. We're in a new stadium. You probably couldn't
Speaker 20: really pick a better Openy Final in terms of the
Speaker 20: teams that are in it, where it is and the
Speaker 20: crowd that's going to roll in there today and.
Speaker 2: The quality of the competition just seems to go up
Speaker 2: every year. And you know, from a Wellington point of view,
Speaker 2: very biased of course, I thought the Hurricanes poler had
Speaker 2: a really good season. No, you just missed out on
Speaker 2: making it through to the Big Dance. The quality seems
Speaker 2: to improve every year. Kendra, how much has Opacky accelerated
Speaker 2: the development of the women's game here?
Speaker 20: Yeah, I think it's been important. It's been awesome to
Speaker 20: see and that's all you ask for someone RFC in
Speaker 20: MySpace in terms of that pathways working in that, but
Speaker 20: also just being a fan and being involved in women's rugby,
Speaker 20: it's really cool to see the competition become so tight,
Speaker 20: so close. You know, it's extended pre season at the
Speaker 20: players are more full time together in season, so you
Speaker 20: can actually see that we've seen the effects that it's
Speaker 20: actually working, you know what which to do in terms
Speaker 20: of giving you and it still needs to be better,
Speaker 20: don't don't get me wrong, but I think it's in
Speaker 20: a really good space and if we continue to grow
Speaker 20: it out, get more games a year, and then hopefully
Speaker 20: in the future we can look at you know, obviously
Speaker 20: Australia kind of can get more competitive across their superw
Speaker 20: as well, and we can compete with them and have
Speaker 20: a crossover competition of some sort of potentially what ideally
Speaker 20: leading into the next World Cup would be the ideal world.
Speaker 2: And beyond this, of course, the Black Fernds go into
Speaker 2: what is a really busy time for them at the
Speaker 2: back end of twenty twenty six. Whitney Hanson no doubt
Speaker 2: will be a very interested spectator this afternoon. You know,
Speaker 2: is it likely that players who really put their hand
Speaker 2: up this afternoon might catch her eye?
Speaker 20: I'd say, you know, when you're thinking about selection. You know,
Speaker 20: I think they'd have a majority of that done. Obviously,
Speaker 20: they get together and in a couple of weeks to
Speaker 20: play the Black Foods Swift then in Australia, so that team,
Speaker 20: I know, the coaches will be in the thicker selection
Speaker 20: at the moment, and you know it might come down
Speaker 20: to two players you know then to compete against the
Speaker 20: other for selection and like today and it can probably
Speaker 20: influence that slightly. But I'd say they probably have ninety
Speaker 20: nine percent of their team kind of selected before before
Speaker 20: you know, before the game. But at the same time,
Speaker 20: we always want to see what's what's out there, who
Speaker 20: does step up, who doesn't, what the future is as
Speaker 20: well of the young ones kind of coming through. As
Speaker 20: we know there's sextra talented and our young ones that
Speaker 20: are coming.
Speaker 2: Through, all right, prediction time, who's lifting this trophy later
Speaker 2: on tonight and and what's the decisive factor in all
Speaker 2: of this?
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's like, honestly, like a lot of people have
Speaker 20: asked me that this weecond. Obviously I played plays for
Speaker 20: MARTERA two. We know how successful the Blues are too
Speaker 20: with the team that they've got, and it's all like
Speaker 20: I'm sitting here going for I actually don't know who's
Speaker 20: going to win. To that it's going to be the
Speaker 20: team who who rocks up on the dan. I'll probably
Speaker 20: able to pick it in the first maybe twenty odd minutes.
Speaker 20: But you'd have to be silly not to back Mater
Speaker 20: two at home and at one end z for the
Speaker 20: first final in the South Island. But it's going to
Speaker 20: be tough with them against the Blues, and I think
Speaker 20: it'll it'll be tight. And they said they'll say kind
Speaker 20: of a couple of things that they needed to fix
Speaker 20: up last week. Then I think they'll go all right,
Speaker 20: and I'd say that, yeah, it'll be a tight game,
Speaker 20: probably within within a try.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven points, Yeah, mouthwatering, mouthwatering prospect this afternoon. Blues
Speaker 2: vmather to four to twenty under the roof and christych Kendra,
Speaker 2: thanks for previewing the game for us. Understand, you're just
Speaker 2: there is a punz of this afternoon. You just you
Speaker 2: have got to watch you like the rest of us.
Speaker 20: No, I'm just as a normal punt and I'm looking
Speaker 20: looking forward to just watching watching the game and knowing
Speaker 20: that it's going to be a spectacle. So yeah, looking
Speaker 20: forward to that.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you taking that call, Kendra. Enjoy the game this
Speaker 2: afternoon and thanks for your time now, Jason, thank you, no,
Speaker 2: thank you, Kendra. Kendrack Cox Edge there ahead of the
Speaker 2: Super Rugby Opicky final twenty past four this afternoon, and
Speaker 2: he sent me through some facts about Super Rugby Opicky
Speaker 2: this season sixty two points per game on average, nearly
Speaker 2: ten more per game than last year. Ten matches, though
Speaker 2: decided by seven points or fewer, so some close contests.
Speaker 2: He tells me also that Capo Olsen Baker escort eight
Speaker 2: tries the most by any player in a single Super
Speaker 2: Rugby OPIKI season. And in terms of the attendance this afternoon,
Speaker 2: the Opeki attendance record is eleven seven hundred and eighty three.
Speaker 2: Mata III had that many come along to go and
Speaker 2: that was earlier the season. From memory, well, they've already
Speaker 2: sold well over ten thousand tickets to this afternoon. I'm
Speaker 2: hoping to get an update at some stage on on
Speaker 2: where ticket sales are at the moment, but you'd have
Speaker 2: to think with walk ups, etc. That they'll go past
Speaker 2: the eleven seven eighty three, probably closer to fifteen thousand.
Speaker 2: Under the roof there this afternoon. So yeah, so the
Speaker 2: Blues won it last year they beat Masta two in
Speaker 2: the final twenty six nineteen. They also won at the
Speaker 2: previous year beating Chiefs Manawah and Materatu. Last won it
Speaker 2: when they beat Manawah in twenty twenty three. Four twenty
Speaker 2: this afternoon, that is when that game will take place.
Speaker 2: All the best of both of those two teams twenty
Speaker 2: one away from two will take a break head across
Speaker 2: the Tasman talk to Adam Peacock, our Australian correspondent, including
Speaker 2: this rather mysterious quote from Cricket Australia CEO Todd Greenberg
Speaker 2: this week about taking an asher's cricket Test to India.
Speaker 2: That and other Australian sporting matters.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, good afternoon, Piney with the amusement.
Speaker 7: Look, we're going to investigate the context of what it
Speaker 7: was said, whether or not it was just a flowing conversation,
Speaker 7: and mid conversation he was as, what about if you
Speaker 7: ever thought of oh no, we're open everything, or he's
Speaker 7: directly come out and sat it as part of their strategy.
Speaker 7: Seems very strange things thing to say. I cannot see
Speaker 7: it ever happening and will not fly like Ashes is like, yeah,
Speaker 7: you just can't. Sorry, but you just can't because it's
Speaker 7: too it means too much to people here and Citi
Speaker 7: who hosted in Australia and same in England. And I
Speaker 7: love progress in sport. I love trying things that there
Speaker 7: are some things that you don't need to try, and yeah,
Speaker 7: this is this is one of my origin over there
Speaker 7: in Auckland. I like that idea because there's three matches
Speaker 7: and it's one anch in you sow I was in Queensland.
Speaker 7: Take the other one somewhere. That's that's fine, but no,
Speaker 7: this is one of those ones that goes in the
Speaker 7: why solve a problem that wasn't a problem in the
Speaker 7: first place basket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's a yeah, it's a solution looking for
Speaker 2: a problem. I've heard it once said of situations like this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's been on the BBC's Stumped podcast. We'd have to
Speaker 2: be open to consider all options. I mean, he's just
Speaker 2: say that. Seems like it's a wide sweeping statement. There
Speaker 2: might have been in the middle of another another conversation.
Speaker 2: He goes on to say, our relationship with the ECB,
Speaker 2: but also the BCCI is very strong. Clearly there are
Speaker 2: opportunities in India to put more content into certain area.
Speaker 2: As much as you start talking about sports content and
Speaker 2: we've got into a bad place.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we have, but that's the modern language. Look
Speaker 7: that they're taking a big bash game over there, that's fine.
Speaker 7: Ther best like, that's a good idea, promotes Australia, maybe
Speaker 7: tourism as well, so that's all good. But yeah, just
Speaker 7: leave the test matches line. Looking if they're going to
Speaker 7: have it anywhere offshore, either Australia or the British Isles,
Speaker 7: I'm calling for Mount Monganui.
Speaker 2: I think you're yeah, you're angling for a trip to
Speaker 2: the to the wonderful, wonderful Bay of Plenty here and
Speaker 2: I can understand why you'd want to. Absolutely let's move
Speaker 2: on to other matters. Les Kiss has officially taken over
Speaker 2: as Wallaby's rugby coach. What is he inheriting.
Speaker 7: Joe Smith's team, There's only like one, there's only one
Speaker 7: or two changes in the squad. Look, he's inheriting a
Speaker 7: scene that perhaps got a really good schooling in the
Speaker 7: fundamentals of rugby, which makes you kind of look at
Speaker 7: the pathway in Australia and perhaps go, well, why aren't
Speaker 7: they doing that along that pathway? Why do we need
Speaker 7: a coach that has so much experience on the world
Speaker 7: stage and is brought into kind of restructure things In
Speaker 7: a sense, I think he takes over a sight that's
Speaker 7: close but we still don't know how close enough, and
Speaker 7: we'll probably fight. We'll get our first test when we
Speaker 7: play you guys in South Africa and say okay, well
Speaker 7: there we go. I just get the feeling that again,
Speaker 7: now our depth stocks are not quite where they could
Speaker 7: be and should be. And that's the one thing and
Speaker 7: I think Rugby Australia recognize that, and that's why they're
Speaker 7: not going to get all bullish with their money that
Speaker 7: they've got from the Lions and also the World Cup
Speaker 7: and just start spending freely that they're actually going to
Speaker 7: plunge it into proper processes to make sure that all
Speaker 7: of his coaches in ten twenty years time don't have
Speaker 7: the issue of oh my goodness, we've got no depth.
Speaker 7: So you know, not that we don't have depth, we
Speaker 7: just need more of it because it's such a brutal sport.
Speaker 7: So I don't know, how do you guys see us
Speaker 7: in another new era?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Look, I mean curious, I think more than anything. I mean,
Speaker 2: Joe Schmidt's tenure there I think can best be described
Speaker 2: as as underwhelming. I mean, we're not what a great
Speaker 2: rugby coach he is, but he just couldn't get the results.
Speaker 2: To be fair though, Adam, you know they probably should
Speaker 2: have beaten the British and Irish lions. You know that
Speaker 2: that could you know, and so that would be honest
Speaker 2: CV didn't happen. Look, yeah, time for a change. Is
Speaker 2: there enough runway for Leed's kiss between now and the
Speaker 2: World Cup? I guess we're asking similar questions about Dave
Speaker 2: re any over here. Is there enough time for them
Speaker 2: to put together an all black side that can challenge
Speaker 2: South Africa and others for the Rugby World Cup? But
Speaker 2: what you've got Japan and a couple of test matches,
Speaker 2: haven't you then we're into the rugby champion. Yeah. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to seeing how how we shad up
Speaker 2: against you in October, looking forward to seeing seeing the
Speaker 2: Wallabies underleast.
Speaker 7: Kiss likewise, Yeah, likewise.
Speaker 2: Let's go to NRL. The NRL trouble at the West Tigers.
Speaker 2: But a friction, was it? Adam Dowey? You said, I
Speaker 2: don't want to play in that position, so I'm not
Speaker 2: going to play at all, storming out of training. What's
Speaker 2: going on here?
Speaker 7: Confusing story? So earlier in the week that came out
Speaker 7: and then he got absolutely pillared by everyone for not
Speaker 7: being team first. As a weird I was down. That
Speaker 7: dropped in the Herald in the last twelve hours, which
Speaker 7: just looks like it was it was written by a
Speaker 7: journalists who has fed good info from the Adam Dewis
Speaker 7: side of the situation. He didn't talk, but you know
Speaker 7: it was obvious where the info was coming from, saying no.
Speaker 7: I basically wasn't in the headspace to play, so it
Speaker 7: was better for everyone else around me because I feel
Speaker 7: like I'm putting absolutely everything into this club and others aren't.
Speaker 7: And I think he's having a bit of a crack
Speaker 7: there at Jerome Louie, I'm not sure about, you know,
Speaker 7: putting team perst doing all this. And Adam dow is
Speaker 7: a guy who's lived through I think three or four
Speaker 7: atls he's had to come back from, so he's done it.
Speaker 12: The hard way.
Speaker 7: He is the best player this year. Undoubtily, he's like
Speaker 7: when he's not played an happy chorus out as well,
Speaker 7: the Tigers will look far worse.
Speaker 12: But yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 7: Benji was playing out and bringing the kid through probably
Speaker 7: deserves his debut, but at the expense of ticking off
Speaker 7: your best performer when street and available is a weird one.
Speaker 7: And then do what this article is saying is he's
Speaker 7: basically said to the coach and the CEO, Look, I'm
Speaker 7: not in the headspace after everything that I feel like
Speaker 7: I'm doing and putting in absolutely everything to get the
Speaker 7: best out of this team. Then I'll get true.
Speaker 15: To like that.
Speaker 7: I think it's best for everyone that I just take
Speaker 7: a week off, take a breath, and I'll come back
Speaker 7: and play next week. So it's a weird story, very
Speaker 7: weird story offer out of a club that is kind
Speaker 7: of just the experts in dealing up dishing up with
Speaker 7: stories Yeah, we've got the Raiders later on today, haven't
Speaker 7: they up against it there?
Speaker 2: So we'll see how they go there. Just before you go,
Speaker 2: mess of some schedule coming up for the Australian cricket team.
Speaker 2: This is obviously, you know, pretty normal for the Aussie
Speaker 2: cricket team, and we're coming over there of course for
Speaker 2: a highly anticipated tour later in the year and into
Speaker 2: the early part of next year. The Willow Talk Cricket
Speaker 2: podcast will know about be firing up again soon.
Speaker 7: Well in a way, yes, we're back together again. We've
Speaker 7: breck branded myself, Alisahay and New Zealand's favorite son, Brad
Speaker 7: Hadn't we.
Speaker 2: Love that man. We love that man.
Speaker 7: We're calling it keeping it Cricket, so we're doing it independently,
Speaker 7: so you'll have to find us again. It's called keeping
Speaker 7: It Cricket. We'll be doing the same old thing, same
Speaker 7: old stick like, just talking anything about cricket that's interesting
Speaker 7: and a few other things about life that's interesting as well.
Speaker 7: I actually I had was tasked with doing the set
Speaker 7: dressing Piney, so I've got two photos in particular, so
Speaker 7: hearly that was an easy one. That magnificent moment in
Speaker 7: twenty twenty when the women won the T twenty World
Speaker 7: Cup at the MCG in front of eighty thousand kdy
Speaker 7: pair and everything like that. So I've got the team
Speaker 7: shut there and I thought the hats, which one am
Speaker 7: I going to get? So I ended up laughing. On
Speaker 7: MCG twenty fifteen, first over of the World Cup final,
Speaker 7: Brad Hadden celebrating the dismissal of B McCullum Bold M stuck.
Speaker 7: So that's the photo of hats, So just to improve
Speaker 7: relations between him and your foreign country of that's going
Speaker 7: to be on the set of the podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was. I'm not sure it'll necessarily enhance
Speaker 2: your viewership over here, but I do like the way
Speaker 2: you're thinking. So keep it in cricket. Is that the
Speaker 2: name of the of the pod? Now, Keeping it, keeping it, cricket,
Speaker 2: keeping it, cricket, keeping it, cricket, got it, got it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, to two wicket keepers that didn't mind it. Chat
Speaker 7: VI on the stunt a chat by on a microphone
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 2: Good content, good content. Look forward to hearing that across
Speaker 2: the next little while. And are you of course on
Speaker 2: ZB here most say today so we'll do it again
Speaker 2: next week. So no, thank you, mate. That's Adam Peacock,
Speaker 2: our regular Australian correspondence, his usual slot here on News
Speaker 2: Talk ZB. I'm not exactly sure that using Brad Hadden
Speaker 2: to enhance New Zealand viewership or listenership podcast is the
Speaker 2: best strategy, but I'm pretty sure we're not the target market.
Speaker 2: Keeping a cricket Adam Peacock, Brad Hadd and Alyssa Heally,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a good listen, a really good listen.
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Speaker 2: this is their second regatta back in their new boat.
Speaker 2: They were fifth the last regatta in Halifax. How they
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Speaker 2: whatever should happen at a core stadium. But sale GP
Speaker 2: gets to Portsmouth on England's South coast this weekend. The
Speaker 2: Black Foils looking to build on and encouraging return to
Speaker 2: racing in Halifax, Canada last month after spending four months
Speaker 2: off the water following that dramatic crash in Auckland back
Speaker 2: in February, New Zealand with fifth in Canada and Ode
Speaker 2: hoping for another step forward this weekend. We're joined by
Speaker 2: Black Foyle's co CEO and driver Peter Berling. Thanks for
Speaker 2: your time has always better. How satisfied were you with
Speaker 2: the way the team returned to racing in Halifax after
Speaker 2: four months off the water.
Speaker 23: Yeah, it was awesome to get racing, to be honest,
Speaker 23: not massively set aside of the result. I felt like
Speaker 23: were was certainly well enough to make it through to
Speaker 23: the final. See I had a great battle with Spain
Speaker 23: and that that last race to you know, eventually they
Speaker 23: just managed to beat for that that final spot from
Speaker 23: from outside of the draw. So yeah, I think, you know,
Speaker 23: I'm saying that for the team to be up for
Speaker 23: four months and you know, to still feel like a
Speaker 23: disappointing results to mister final and the way we did
Speaker 23: is I think really.
Speaker 21: Associate at the standard we're able to operate.
Speaker 23: It in massive credit to everyone in the group to
Speaker 23: better keep that standard high during the During the period.
Speaker 2: Off the water, did you feel immediately at home in
Speaker 2: your new boat or not?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 23: To be honest, that the venues probably feel make the
Speaker 23: boats feel more different than the actual actual boats themselves.
Speaker 23: You know, we you know, the shaw Cream and the
Speaker 23: rest of the group did an amazing job setting up the
Speaker 23: boat very similarly to how we normally have it. And yeah,
Speaker 23: it definitely felt very normal straight away with all the
Speaker 23: graphics and and everything that kind of makes it makes
Speaker 23: it our boat.
Speaker 21: So yeah, the boat was absolutely awesome and you looking
Speaker 21: forward to to showing what she can do. You know
Speaker 21: this weekend, have.
Speaker 2: You shifted your focus as a team from from chasing
Speaker 2: the overall title to now just trying to win individual regattas.
Speaker 23: I wouldn't say that's a conscious shift and focus, but
Speaker 23: you know, we definitely, you know, we need to go
Speaker 23: there and perform. You know, we've always I mean the
Speaker 23: team's always had the kind of duel I suppose goals
Speaker 23: of you know, trying to keep that rate of improvement
Speaker 23: super high and also perform at the highest level across
Speaker 23: these events. So that definitely hasn't changed. Obviously, we've been
Speaker 23: off the water for four months now and it's become
Speaker 23: quite mathematically hard for us to make it through to
Speaker 23: the final, and you know, the best thing we can
Speaker 23: do to give ourselves kind of the best shot of
Speaker 23: that is to go there and try and when these
Speaker 23: races really our best look forward and you know, we're
Speaker 23: super excited by the I suppose chance we've got to
Speaker 23: be able to go out there and do that this weekend.
Speaker 23: You know, we've performed really well and in Portsmanth of
Speaker 23: Love last year, I really really know the venue well
Speaker 23: and enjoy the SAT again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I'll win in Portsmouth last year at
Speaker 2: the at the same event. So going back there a
Speaker 2: place you've had good success in the past, is that
Speaker 2: at a layer of confidence for you?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 23: I think it definitely layers adds a layer of confidence.
Speaker 23: You know, Portsmouth is reasonably I suppose challenging venue in
Speaker 23: terms of the shifting nature of the racetrack here, and
Speaker 23: you know, we really felt like we had a good
Speaker 23: grasp on that last year, so I'm really excited to
Speaker 23: get stack out of their racing.
Speaker 21: NFLA were still finding our I suppose traps a little bit.
Speaker 23: In Halifax, particularly when we use the configuration on the
Speaker 23: second day, which you know, we definitely haven't used in
Speaker 23: that wind strength ever before, so it took a little
Speaker 23: bit of getting used to that, you compared to the
Speaker 23: rest of the fleet that's done a couple of events
Speaker 23: and then that exact configuration.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think we've.
Speaker 23: Seen that this weekend, back to kind of a more
Speaker 23: standard Yeah, twenty four meter wing speed foils set up
Speaker 23: and yeah, something we really enjoy racing that setup.
Speaker 2: We saw the fleet split in Halifax group racing, I
Speaker 2: think it's called officially. Is that likely to happen again
Speaker 2: this weekend in Portsmouth.
Speaker 23: Yeah, they're actually just conplearned that they're going to draw
Speaker 23: it for the rest of the season. Then yeah, we've
Speaker 23: definitely ended up on what i'd call the pool of
Speaker 23: death side again both the Australians, Spanish again and you
Speaker 23: know French. So yeah, and the seven teams, not the six.
Speaker 23: It deffinitely feels like we're in the hardest side of
Speaker 23: the draw. But now I'm saying that that's to be honest, executive,
Speaker 23: we want to be Yeah, we want to be adversing
Speaker 23: the strong teams and giving ourselves the best shot at
Speaker 23: taking them down and learning the most we can.
Speaker 21: So excited to get into that challenge this weekend.
Speaker 2: How much does that change the way you race? Having
Speaker 2: you know, rather than having thirteen boats out on the
Speaker 2: race course, having seven, how much of a change is
Speaker 2: in the way you approach a race.
Speaker 21: Changes excessively.
Speaker 23: I'm just I mean, just the wind shadows around the
Speaker 23: course go down heaps, and it feels like there's a
Speaker 23: whole heap of space out there on the racetrack. And yeah,
Speaker 23: it definitely comes down a lot more to both speed
Speaker 23: and handling and being clean around the racetrack where it
Speaker 23: was the bigger, the bigger fleets. You know, the start
Speaker 23: becomes incredibly important. And yeah, that I suppose positioning of
Speaker 23: the boat. You know, there's not many opportunities to to
Speaker 23: really go forward, so that you've got to be really
Speaker 23: careful how you go about things.
Speaker 21: You know, it's definitely, you know, something you have to
Speaker 21: evolve to.
Speaker 23: But to be honest, it's been something that in practice racing,
Speaker 23: we've we've done a whole heap over the over the years,
Speaker 23: the last couple of years, so it's something we've all
Speaker 23: become pretty familiar with.
Speaker 2: After Auckland, when you got to Halifax and back into
Speaker 2: a race situation, Pete, did you find yourself approaching risk
Speaker 2: any differently, Oh, to.
Speaker 23: Be honest, yeah, I think you know, we obviously had
Speaker 23: a massive dive into the incident in Auckland and you
Speaker 23: know what you potentially could have done different and you're
Speaker 23: definitely getting into some pretty pretty minor details or very
Speaker 23: minute details. Yeah, I think everyone on board did it
Speaker 23: actually a really good job doing their role missing the Italians,
Speaker 23: and there's obviously little details you would would do looking
Speaker 23: back at it. But yeah, I think it's one that
Speaker 23: you know, both the leagues made some good changes now
Speaker 23: to the system to allow us to be a bit
Speaker 23: more responsive and also I suppose these kind of ongoing
Speaker 23: changes to to really address the issue long term. So
Speaker 23: it's yeah, it feels like, yeah, something that it was
Speaker 23: one of those situations where a whole heap of I
Speaker 23: suppose events happened at once to lead to a really
Speaker 23: nasty outcome, and yeah, we're really thankful that we've managed
Speaker 23: to get through that now. Obviously louis still still in recovery. Yeah,
Speaker 23: he was definitely the on our team, the one that
Speaker 23: yet got hurt the most, and you know, we're definitely
Speaker 23: still supporting him as much as we can through that recovery.
Speaker 23: And that definitely feels a little weird to be back
Speaker 23: out racing without him, But you know, he's been incredibly
Speaker 23: supportive to the team to get back out there on
Speaker 23: the water, and I think that's made it a lot
Speaker 23: easier for the rest of us to to be able
Speaker 23: to get out there and switch in and do our jobs.
Speaker 2: So in the lead into Halifax, then you didn't have
Speaker 2: any doubt in your mind, did you?
Speaker 24: Did you?
Speaker 2: I don't know, think to yourself, I might second guess
Speaker 2: myself out on the water if a situation like that
Speaker 2: arises again, you were you were reasonably confident that instinct
Speaker 2: would just would just kick in and you'd you'd be
Speaker 2: okay out there.
Speaker 21: Well, I think I'd be pretty lucky.
Speaker 23: I've been able to do a fair bit of sailing
Speaker 23: between the two events, you know, definitely that kind of
Speaker 23: initial nerves of getting back hell in the water at
Speaker 23: long past, and I think we're very lucky that a
Speaker 23: lot of the rest of our group had been in
Speaker 23: a similar situation, you know, with with Live sailing with
Speaker 23: the French couple of events, Marcus sailing with Denmark for
Speaker 23: a couple of events, So that kind of I suppose
Speaker 23: trust and your own abilities is definitely still there. And yeah,
Speaker 23: I think the one thing looking back at that incident
Speaker 23: definitely kind of the scary part of it as you
Speaker 23: were kind of a passenger I suppose for the last
Speaker 23: you know, two or three seconds before before the incident.
Speaker 23: So it's the one that yeah, like I said, when
Speaker 23: you look back at it, you're really getting into some
Speaker 23: some small details as to as to what you would
Speaker 23: have done differently at the time.
Speaker 2: Apart from the racing. The Black Boils leading the Impact League.
Speaker 2: How proud are you that the team is sitting the
Speaker 2: mark for making a positive environmental impact, you know, particularly
Speaker 2: in a sport that's so closely connected to the ocean.
Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, it was a very exciting to see us,
Speaker 23: I supposed to get recognized for the hard work to
Speaker 23: live ocean and both the team have done to really
Speaker 23: raise awareness about the the issues of bottom trawling and
Speaker 23: really that cord action of ending yeah, seamouns and bottom
Speaker 23: trawling of seamouns in New Zealand waters and I think
Speaker 23: it's something that the amount of noise and attention some
Speaker 23: of those issues that the ocean are facing is getting
Speaker 23: at the moment in New Zealand's you know something, I'm incredibly.
Speaker 21: Proud of both as yeah.
Speaker 23: The work we've done with Live Ocean and also the
Speaker 23: Black Fails and really hoping to see some positive change.
Speaker 21: You come sometimes soon.
Speaker 2: Just to finish. Then back to Awtmouth this weekend at
Speaker 2: the end of the regatta. If you're looking back and
Speaker 2: you say, okay, that was a successful weekend, is that
Speaker 2: purely results or are there other boxes that you want
Speaker 2: to tick as well.
Speaker 23: I think all these events we've definitely got a dual focus.
Speaker 23: The results is obviously a big part of it. It's
Speaker 23: always really nice for.
Speaker 21: The group to get a successful event on the board.
Speaker 23: It would be great for us to be able to
Speaker 23: say walk away winning a winning our first event of
Speaker 23: the season, but you know, and saying that, it's never
Speaker 23: never quite that simple and For us, it's really about
Speaker 23: continuing the build back into into racing. You know, with
Speaker 23: missing four months of racing, you know that the team's
Speaker 23: definitely slightly on the back food in terms of being
Speaker 23: as as race sharp as a lot of the other teams.
Speaker 23: And we've been doing a lot of work between the
Speaker 23: events and enduring that downtime to try and bridge that
Speaker 23: gap as much as we can. But you know, it'd
Speaker 23: be awesome to keep uraging that and to keep a
Speaker 23: road of learning high and really really kind of keep
Speaker 23: the rampants the end of the season going strong.
Speaker 2: Look forward to watching you trying to emulate what you
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Speaker 2: Be bang on to twenty five. Dave Renni three tests
Speaker 2: into life as All Blacks head coach, chalking up three
Speaker 2: wins to start his tenure as a new coach into
Speaker 2: a high performance environment. How challenging would that dynamic have
Speaker 2: been How would he have struck the balance between respecting
Speaker 2: the legacy of the jersey and the previous coach while
Speaker 2: still making it feel like it's now his team? How
Speaker 2: much do you change and how much do you leave alone?
Speaker 2: And with just fifteen months until the next Rugby World Cup,
Speaker 2: where should Dave Renni invest his time and energy to
Speaker 2: get maximum return? Well to answer these questions, joined by
Speaker 2: our regular coaching guru here on Weekend Sport, Wayne Goldsmith. Wayne,
Speaker 2: thanks for taking the time. As always, every new coach
Speaker 2: inherits a team of course, rather than building one from scratch,
Speaker 2: So it's the first job when you come in to
Speaker 2: understand what the team is all about already before you
Speaker 2: start thinking about making any changes.
Speaker 22: Well at is pointing and welcome back and great the
Speaker 22: chat as always the temptation and I'm sure if you
Speaker 22: had a look at Dave Renie's telephone bill or how
Speaker 22: to look at his mobile phone connections in the last
Speaker 22: few months, he would have had everybody who's ever picked
Speaker 22: up a rugby ball or even seen the game of
Speaker 22: rugby in New Zealand telling him what he should do.
Speaker 22: And part of it is knowing what not to do,
Speaker 22: because everyone will have a strong opinion about, Oh, there
Speaker 22: should be more.
Speaker 13: Crusaders or less crusaders.
Speaker 22: There should be more highlanders, there should be more canes,
Speaker 22: there should be more forwards, more backs. You should go
Speaker 22: for speed, you should go for size. Everyone's going to
Speaker 22: tell him what to do, and part of the trick
Speaker 22: is taking a breath, just looking at what you've got
Speaker 22: and what's working. What are the sort of things that
Speaker 22: you know is working. Because it's an all blacks team,
Speaker 22: there's a lot of things that are always working well,
Speaker 22: and not listen to all the noise, because man, if
Speaker 22: you listen to the thousands of calls and emails that
Speaker 22: he's probably got, you'd be changing everything and everybody, even
Speaker 22: their haircuts and the clothes they wear and everything else.
Speaker 13: And that's not really going to be effective.
Speaker 22: He's got to be very discerning about what's working, what's
Speaker 22: not working, and what are some of the things he
Speaker 22: could introduce logically and systematically over time.
Speaker 2: Now overlaying that is the short time frame that he has. Normally,
Speaker 2: a new coach of a rugby nation comes and at
Speaker 2: the start of a World Cup cycle, they've got four
Speaker 2: entire years to get themselves ready. Dave Rennie only has
Speaker 2: fifteen months before the next Rugby World Cup, so how
Speaker 2: ruthless and specific what he need to be with his priorities.
Speaker 22: You've got to be fairly tough, but your vision's got
Speaker 22: to be clear and look some time ago, I was
Speaker 22: lucky enough to be invited in post the twenty eleven
Speaker 22: World Cup win by New Zealand, the way smith invited
Speaker 22: me into Wellington to be part of the debrief process
Speaker 22: and some work that they were doing after games. And
Speaker 22: I remember the term that Smithy used, and I know
Speaker 22: it's been in a legacy book and others, but Smithy
Speaker 22: said one of the things we did was have.
Speaker 13: A croseness approach.
Speaker 22: We looked ahead to exactly what it was going to
Speaker 22: be like on finals night in Wellington in the World Cup,
Speaker 22: and with some very intelligent people, we said what is
Speaker 22: it going to look like? Will the game be faster?
Speaker 22: Who are we likely to be playing? What sort of
Speaker 22: challenges are we likely to be getting? And then they
Speaker 22: work backwards and it's a very good strategy to look
Speaker 22: ahead the World Cup next to you and say, right,
Speaker 22: what a likely final I should probably go? Well, maybe
Speaker 22: Ireland only maybe France, could they can come from anywhere.
Speaker 22: England look like they might be starting to turn things
Speaker 22: around South Africa of course. All right, so there's four
Speaker 22: or five likely contenders. What's it going to look like,
Speaker 22: what's it going to feel like?
Speaker 13: Who am I likely to have in my team at
Speaker 13: that time?
Speaker 22: And then work backwards and say, right, what do I
Speaker 22: do to be best prepared for that likely scenario that
Speaker 22: I'm going to be facing at the World Cup. That's
Speaker 22: a pretty good way of doing it is first of all,
Speaker 22: be really clear, using the expertise and what's Dave about
Speaker 22: sixty sixty two and the amazing people around him. He's
Speaker 22: got anoka back, He's got some very smart people around him,
Speaker 22: use their collective expertise and say what are we likely
Speaker 22: to be looking at it the World Cup? And then
Speaker 22: work backwards and say, well, then what is the team,
Speaker 22: the strategy, the tactics, the physical preparation.
Speaker 13: What does that look like now for us to end
Speaker 13: up there? Because remember they're going to have to go
Speaker 13: into the World.
Speaker 22: Cup, and you improve progressively and you play into the
Speaker 22: World Cup. So you're thinking, right and a finals, not
Speaker 22: only are we going to have to be playing good football?
Speaker 13: But we're going to have to be resilient.
Speaker 22: We'll probably have injuries, we might have had a couple
Speaker 22: of people have been carded. We have all sorts of issues,
Speaker 22: So let's work backwards and be prepared.
Speaker 13: For what we're actually going to be dealing with.
Speaker 2: So Dave Rennie's new to the All Blacks environment, but
Speaker 2: of course he's also new to all of these players
Speaker 2: so well most of them anyway. So when players hear
Speaker 2: a new voice for the first time, what are they
Speaker 2: looking for?
Speaker 22: Well, I think the first of all, before they're hoping
Speaker 22: to hear something, the smart coaches ask them questions and
Speaker 22: listen to the answers and really get to know them.
Speaker 22: Because it's funny, pointy that everyone would think if you're
Speaker 22: in the All Blacks and heading towards the World Cup
Speaker 22: next year, everybody's motivated by the same three or four things.
Speaker 13: I want to be part of a winning All Black team.
Speaker 22: I want to be part of a great experience and
Speaker 22: a victorious work up campaign.
Speaker 13: I want to enjoy it.
Speaker 22: Maybe I want to be thinking about contracts and other
Speaker 22: things as well, But not everybody's motivated by the same things.
Speaker 22: Some people will say when you walk in you might
Speaker 22: ask him a question about, so, what do you want
Speaker 22: from this World Cup experience or from being part of
Speaker 22: the All Blacks. Some of them say, mate, I just
Speaker 22: love playing footage, I just want to be part of
Speaker 22: this team. Or I've dreamt about this my whole life, Dave,
Speaker 22: I want to be part of this because this is
Speaker 22: a fulfillment of the last twenty five years of my life.
Speaker 22: Or it could be I want to prove myself against
Speaker 22: the best in the world.
Speaker 13: Day it's really.
Speaker 22: Important your first step and a great line from the
Speaker 22: first chapter of Stephen Covey's book, seek to understand before
Speaker 22: trying to be understood. And he's a pretty smart guy
Speaker 22: and he's got some very clever people around him. I
Speaker 22: would imagine the first thing is to figure out what's
Speaker 22: driving each of the individuals, what's motivating them, what's the
Speaker 22: little five are in their chest. To understand what's motivating
Speaker 22: them before they say, right, we're going to do this,
Speaker 22: We're going to do that, before saying this is where
Speaker 22: we're going. Spend some time getting to know the players
Speaker 22: and understand what's really driving and motivating them as individuals.
Speaker 2: Just to build on that point. These are new Zealand's
Speaker 2: best players. They're already incredibly strong technically and physically, otherwise
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be all blacks. Does that mean that the
Speaker 2: real competitive advantage can come from the mental and emotional
Speaker 2: side of the game.
Speaker 22: Absolutely, Pinal and look more and more that. Look, there
Speaker 22: was a time because of where New Zealand and to
Speaker 22: a lesser degree Australia, where we are geographically the tyranny
Speaker 22: of distance. We're at the bottom of the world, We're
Speaker 22: away from everybody else, and you could build a campaign
Speaker 22: and keep it relatively quiet and certainly with you guys
Speaker 22: going to twenty eleven what you were doing and were
Speaker 22: some exceptional things that nobody knew about.
Speaker 13: Now with social media now with.
Speaker 22: Bones and contexts and everyone has social media accounts and
Speaker 22: everyone's watching every game a TV from under tens upwards.
Speaker 13: That there are no secrets in rugby.
Speaker 22: Everyone knows what everyone There is no secret all black
Speaker 22: formula anymore.
Speaker 13: Everybody knows what everybody knows.
Speaker 22: So I look at it and say, all right, well,
Speaker 22: they know the way the all blacks will play the game.
Speaker 22: They know all blacks are always very well physically prepared technically.
Speaker 22: Your rugby system's fantastic. They've always got great technical skills
Speaker 22: and say, all right, well, then if I assume that
Speaker 22: everybody knows that, and that everybody's roughly got the same
Speaker 22: level of expertise in those areas, where's my advantage. Well,
Speaker 22: the advantage is leadership, team dynamics, connectedness, recovery, so they
Speaker 22: recover better from game to game, tactics and strategies, and
Speaker 22: absolutely absolutely the mental emotional side. The great line that
Speaker 22: old truck and field coaching friend of one is to say,
Speaker 22: if you don't manage the emotion of the moment, the
Speaker 22: emotion of the moment manages you. And we know from
Speaker 22: football World Cups don't win, from Olympic games and the
Speaker 22: com games that are about to kick off, we know
Speaker 22: that that quite often it's the athletes who manage the
Speaker 22: emotion of those moments as critical moments. They're the ones
Speaker 22: that come through in the big events. To me, that's
Speaker 22: where the advantage is, and the All Blacks have proven
Speaker 22: over the last few World Cup cycles they're very good
Speaker 22: at that.
Speaker 2: On a slightly different but related topic, you also sent
Speaker 2: me a phrase during the week when we were having
Speaker 2: our regular back and forth to yarn about stuff You
Speaker 2: sent me this phrase, happy off the field equals happy
Speaker 2: on the field. It sounds so self evident. But how
Speaker 2: can family, friendships, a player support network, how do those
Speaker 2: things directly affect a players performance?
Speaker 13: Well, it's funny, funny.
Speaker 22: It was just a conversation I had with some colleagues
Speaker 22: at the Queensland Academy of Sport a few weeks ago
Speaker 22: that about planning and preparation for the twenty thirty two games,
Speaker 22: and one of their heads of performance stood up and
Speaker 22: he said with I think we're entering the era of simplicity.
Speaker 13: And it was a very interesting session. What he talked
Speaker 13: about is, he.
Speaker 22: Said, we went through the era of supplements, and we
Speaker 22: went through the ear of protein powders and pito diets
Speaker 22: and all these really complicated things. He said, what we're
Speaker 22: seeing if you dig into the research and you look
Speaker 22: at what's consistently presenting as factors that lead to high
Speaker 22: level performance, he said, it's the basic things, seven or
Speaker 22: eight hours sleep a night, making sure you're staying hydrated,
Speaker 22: eating foods are as close to natural as possible, and
Speaker 22: away from over process boots. But this thing blew my
Speaker 22: mind on it, he said, And some of the consistent
Speaker 22: things that are coming out is that the athletes who
Speaker 22: are performing well surround themselves with friends and family who
Speaker 22: they feel comfortable with, where they know their loved and
Speaker 22: people that in term they can love and the can
Speaker 22: consistency and calm and peace of a loving home environment
Speaker 22: seems to have a bigger influence on high performance sport
Speaker 22: than we thought.
Speaker 13: And it blew my mind because how many times have
Speaker 13: you and I talked.
Speaker 22: About different elements of performance and we all try to
Speaker 22: overcomplicate it and look for tricky things and pieces of equipment.
Speaker 13: And I really believe he's on I really think that's right.
Speaker 22: Is that if your relationships are stable, got some friends,
Speaker 22: if you go and play golf in a Sunday with
Speaker 22: you care about family dinner on Sunday night, those basic
Speaker 22: human family relationship issues, you've got a real sense of
Speaker 22: peace and joy in your heart, which means then you
Speaker 22: can go out and be right on the edge and
Speaker 22: do her of everything you got to do. But I
Speaker 22: was going to two thousand and four Olympics with this
Speaker 22: Tralian triathlon team. We're at the airport and one of
Speaker 22: the athletes got a phone call from a four year
Speaker 22: living girlfriend and fiance saying, I think we should see
Speaker 22: other people broke the relationship up in real and him
Speaker 22: and I have spoken about this many times since. In reality,
Speaker 22: it effectively finished his Olympic campaign because as much as
Speaker 22: we try to support him and help him through and
Speaker 22: give him as much love as we could ourselves, that
Speaker 22: it was so shattering to have that massive disruption and
Speaker 22: heartache in his personal life. I don't think we've thought
Speaker 22: about that enough. And I think that happy off field,
Speaker 22: happy on field has been very underestimated.
Speaker 2: Just back to Dave Rennie to finish, you know, you
Speaker 2: can talk about coming in. He's only new things are
Speaker 2: going to take time, you know, the beating and all
Speaker 2: of that sort of thing. But how important is it
Speaker 2: to get some early wins, to win some tessmatches, which
Speaker 2: he's done. How important is that for him, for his players,
Speaker 2: for the All Blacks fan base.
Speaker 22: Yeah, we've got an acronym for that pony called ROTV
Speaker 22: runs on the board.
Speaker 11: Yep.
Speaker 22: That the that what it does, getting early success, because
Speaker 22: it's okay coming in. I think I read something he
Speaker 22: said the other week which was we're going to chip
Speaker 22: away at this one week at a time, which is
Speaker 22: a fantastic for loss of him, and that's brilliant that
Speaker 22: he said that.
Speaker 13: But I think because the board took the.
Speaker 22: Jump so close to the World Cup, that and you've
Speaker 22: got a new CEO, when you've got some changes in
Speaker 22: admin and Dave's come back and you've got all those
Speaker 22: things going on, that the credibility of success early on
Speaker 22: gives you a mandate to maybe squeeze a little bit
Speaker 22: hard later on.
Speaker 13: So if he had got if you guys got beaten.
Speaker 22: By Island, for example, if you'd had a few losses,
Speaker 22: it would be more difficult politically and with the community
Speaker 22: and maybe even with the player group to say I
Speaker 22: think I'm on the right track. Come with me on
Speaker 22: the journey that we're about to embark on. I think
Speaker 22: now they've gone, well, hang on, this guy can coach
Speaker 22: and we can do some So the belief inside the
Speaker 22: team and outside the team has now started to take
Speaker 22: hold and people will get behind him.
Speaker 13: So he's done a huge favor for.
Speaker 22: Himself by having these early wins and now he can
Speaker 22: start to make some little changes here or there and
Speaker 22: you'll have some support behind him. That's important when you've
Speaker 22: only got to look at the change of the coaching
Speaker 22: in the NRL recently in merely Ringer and the Sea
Speaker 22: Eagles that they've changed to coach mid season. They've taken
Speaker 22: a little bit of a punt. He's a younger coach.
Speaker 22: He's come in and they had a string of successes
Speaker 22: and all of a sudden, the whole club's lifted. The
Speaker 22: journals are behind him, that the numbers at the ground
Speaker 22: have gone up.
Speaker 13: It's even numbers have gone up.
Speaker 22: And of course foruns Now I got a multiple season
Speaker 22: extension as a coach.
Speaker 13: Those early wins, everybody.
Speaker 22: Then starts to say, war hang on this, this is
Speaker 22: going to happen.
Speaker 13: This is really good. So that's an absolute blessing.
Speaker 22: And good on him and the team for pulling it
Speaker 22: off early because now they can start to make some tweaks.
Speaker 2: Runs on the board. That's there's many more ones to come.
Speaker 2: As always, Wayne, so insightful chatting dear, Thanks for being
Speaker 2: so generous with your time this afternoon. Now look forward
Speaker 2: to catching up again sometime soon.
Speaker 13: Always looking forward to a pinty.
Speaker 22: The one thing that terrifies me, or remember the other
Speaker 22: I think Dave Rennie said in his press conference, we've
Speaker 22: only just begun there's a lot more in us that
Speaker 22: absolutely terrifies me as an Australian.
Speaker 2: Way, and so it should Wayne, and so it should Mate.
Speaker 2: Thanks again, Wayne Goldsmith, our coaching guru here on Weekend
Speaker 2: Sport wg coaching dot com'ss website. If you want to
Speaker 2: find out more, get in touch with Wayne. Just just
Speaker 2: a so much wisdom every time we chat to them,
Speaker 2: and we really appreciate his time as always. What are
Speaker 2: we twenty to three just on the All Blacks there,
Speaker 2: as I say, naming their side or their squad for
Speaker 2: the South African tour on Monday three o'clock Monday afternoon,
Speaker 2: that squad will be revealed. Well, of course cover off
Speaker 2: for you here on news talks. He'd be make sure
Speaker 2: you know who's in. Forty four names are to be included.
Speaker 2: Thirty four in the Rugby Championship squad, plus a couple
Speaker 2: of guys who got called in. Jamie Hannah was one
Speaker 2: who got called in to cover injury. So tomorrow we're
Speaker 2: going to have a look at exactly what that squad
Speaker 2: might look like just after the midday news. We've got
Speaker 2: a couple of experts on you. The main experts though
Speaker 2: on this so you can give us your view. Just
Speaker 2: looking ahead to this tour that someone asks me win
Speaker 2: of these games, I'm just going to quickly run through them. Saturday,
Speaker 2: the eighth of August, what's that a couple of weeks away,
Speaker 2: five am they play the Stormers. Then midweek Wednesday, the
Speaker 2: twelfth of August. These are all New Zealand times, by
Speaker 2: the way, five am they play the Sharks, and then Sunday,
Speaker 2: August sixteenth, at five am they play the Balls. So
Speaker 2: three kind of warm up games before they play the
Speaker 2: first Test. That is three o'clock in the morning on Sunday,
Speaker 2: August the twenty third at Alis Park in Joehannesburg. That's
Speaker 2: the first Test, then another midweek game against the Lions,
Speaker 2: also at Allis Park. That's on the morning of August
Speaker 2: twenty six The second Test is down in Cape Town
Speaker 2: DHL Stadium in Cape Town on the morning of Sunday,
Speaker 2: August the thirtieth, and then it's back up to Joehannesburg,
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Speaker 2: Of course, of course they do to M and T
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Speaker 2: James's madness playing all those warm up games. They'll just
Speaker 2: want to smash us to pieces and injure as many
Speaker 2: players as they can. That's the way they spring Boks roll. Now.
Speaker 2: It'll also give them insights into our game plans. We
Speaker 2: need to go over there fresh and give it everything
Speaker 2: to beg them rather than exhausting ourselves before the big matches.
Speaker 2: Interesting point, you make their James forty four players though,
Speaker 2: and Dave Renie said at the back end of last
Speaker 2: week or sorry, I think after the test last week
Speaker 2: he said, we've already come up. We've already got our
Speaker 2: squads for the first four games. So I've got their
Speaker 2: squad of forty four and not only that, they've also
Speaker 2: picked I guess injury permitting their match day twenty threes
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Speaker 2: so that they're already well down the track. Of who
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Speaker 2: The other part of this is I think they'd want
Speaker 2: some warm up games. We often say with the Black Caps,
Speaker 2: for example, they go to Australia, we need to have
Speaker 2: some warm up games to get used to the conditions,
Speaker 2: all that sort of thing. I know it's a bit
Speaker 2: different with the cricket, but yeah, I don't mind the
Speaker 2: warm up games. Another textend of Blacks up to black
Speaker 2: or the All Blacks are going to be partially injured
Speaker 2: before they even get to the first test. I think
Speaker 2: the satur Bringins are going to target who they want
Speaker 2: to make sure they're not in good shape. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean will they though? I don't know. I mean there's
Speaker 2: nothing to stop the All Blacks that they're playing against
Speaker 2: players and the Sharks, the Bulls and the Stormers who
Speaker 2: they think are going to be in the spring box
Speaker 2: to target them. I don't think it'll happen. Forty four
Speaker 2: players more than enough, more than enough to I think
Speaker 2: handle it all. Monday afternoon three o'clock. That squad is named, well,
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