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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB Super.

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Speaker 2: Rugby Final Tonight the Blues and the Blues Well hit

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Speaker 2: to the Big Dance next weekends against the Chiefs. Save

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Speaker 2: your Road, doesn't And for the second time in successive seasons,

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs are headed for the Grand Final. They'll play

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Speaker 2: the Blues tonight the Chiefs Eden Park five past seven,

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Speaker 2: Life and free commentary, as I say on Gold Sport

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Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio. Blues and All Blacks winger Caleb Clark is

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Speaker 2: with us on Weekend Sport. Thanks for your time, Caleb.

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Speaker 2: First of all, how much of a boost is it

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Speaker 2: was it to have you Skipper come back into the fold.

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Speaker 2: We thought he was going to be out for about

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Speaker 2: eight weeks. He's only been gone for about a fortnight.

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Speaker 2: How much of a boost is it to have Patrick

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Speaker 2: to be Pillot to back well ahead of schedule.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm it's a great boost for not just my stuff,

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Speaker 3: but also the team was quite a I think it's

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Speaker 3: also the surprise the public with the surprise the players

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Speaker 3: as well on that day meeting. So yeah, it's just

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Speaker 3: so cool and awesome to see that, you know, a

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Speaker 3: young player for one of the more experienced and senior

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Speaker 3: players putting his body on the line, and yeah, coming

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Speaker 3: back and making a miraculous healing and you know, miracles

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Speaker 3: are real, so how good?

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Speaker 1: Yeah good?

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Speaker 2: Indeed, powers of recovery obviously run pretty strongly in the

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Speaker 2: two we pull or two family. Your favorites for this

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Speaker 2: game tonight, Caleb, But I think there's any way of

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Speaker 2: getting away from that. Is that a tag that sits

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Speaker 2: comfortably with the Blues to be favorites going into tonight?

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Speaker 3: Ah? Well, I don't think us as players are really

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Speaker 3: focusing on that. We know, that's what sort of outside

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Speaker 3: noise and we had early from burn throughout the week

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Speaker 3: is we don't want to listen to you, And all

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Speaker 3: we've got to do is just listen to the circle

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Speaker 3: and what our leaders, what our coaches, and what each

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Speaker 3: other is saying to each other saying to us. So

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Speaker 3: you know, I think, you know, people can say what

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Speaker 3: they want to say, but it's ultimately going to be

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Speaker 3: the best team on the night that's going to win.

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Speaker 3: And we just got to go out there and focus

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Speaker 3: just get ready for what they're going to throw back.

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Speaker 2: So tell us about the conversations that have been had

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Speaker 2: this week from coaches to pliers in the playing group.

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Speaker 2: What have been the main focus is ahead of the

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Speaker 2: Grand Final.

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Speaker 3: Just sticking to our game. You know, we've we've created

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Speaker 3: a style that really suits us as players and suits

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Speaker 3: the playing group. And so that's just around the starting fast,

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Speaker 3: making sure that we win our collisions, the getting the

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Speaker 3: ball on the front foot. So that's big emphasis on

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Speaker 3: the forwards to really try and win that battle, and

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Speaker 3: then for us back just trying to finish it off

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Speaker 3: because you know, we we know the threats that they

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Speaker 3: So on defense, it's just around connection and making sure

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Speaker 3: and that's all we need to do. Just focus on

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Speaker 3: moment to moment, and you know, he said to us,

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Speaker 3: We just need to stick together and just focus on

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Speaker 3: what needs to be done next. And yeah, that's sort

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Speaker 3: of the key messages throughout the week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Blues game plan has been pretty clearly built

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Speaker 2: this season around establishing set piece and forward dominance, winning

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Speaker 2: those collisions. As you started getting from football, how different

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's quite nice, getting you a bit of ball

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Speaker 3: with space because you know, the fours are doing all

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Speaker 3: you know, on top of that, vern and his coaching

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Speaker 3: crew have been real, real helpful for me as well personally.

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Speaker 3: You know, he pulled me aside quite early in the

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Speaker 3: He really encouraged me to get amongst the nitty gritty stuff.

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Speaker 3: it's just been awesome, so fun, and I know that

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Speaker 3: everyone's really grown as a player being under Vernon and

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Speaker 2: You talk about growth of some players, and I look

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Speaker 2: at a guy like Harry Plumber, who I didn't think

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Speaker 2: really played it all at First five last year. I

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Speaker 2: think he might have on occasion slotted in there, but

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Speaker 2: you had body. Of course, this year he's played a

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Speaker 2: Harry Plumber's guided you around the park from the ten Jersey.

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Speaker 3: He's been awesome and it's awesome to see just the

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Speaker 3: Harry and I had a conversation when we're working up

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Speaker 3: Blues and for both of us around at eighteen nineteen

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Speaker 3: and a tough, tough era in the Blues. But here

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Speaker 4: And it's just so cool getting to see him because

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Speaker 4: in our earlier years Harry was a scapegoat for a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very classy. He's been. He's been terrific, just on body.

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Speaker 2: I saw he played some club rugby last week. Has

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Speaker 2: he got back from Japan?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's coming a few times to help, especially in

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Speaker 3: our team v team stuff. I think, who are we getting?

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Speaker 3: Easy to play? And I remember distinctly he was training

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Speaker 2: Right, the Chiefs tonight, you played them not long ago

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Speaker 3: We just expect them to throw everything at us, and

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Speaker 3: We know his threats and you know Shooter might be

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Speaker 3: sort of our mentality, is just being prepared for whatever

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Speaker 3: and final situations, and so for us, it's just around

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Speaker 3: And yeah, we're looking forward to the challenge.

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Speaker 2: I know there are a lot of sort of mini

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Speaker 2: Do you look across and see at any nnosaturo in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, because like we said, there's a big drifts

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Speaker 3: looking forward to going up against the old mate and Money.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's he's a great player, he's light on

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Speaker 2: The last time the Blues won Super rugby, a fully

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, It's it's something that's always in the back

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Speaker 3: we have chance to do that tonight, and it's all

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Well, Dada Ronnie obviously part of the you know those

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Speaker 2: two famous Blues winds ninety six and ninety seven. How

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Speaker 2: much advice and guidance does he still provide for you,

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Speaker 2: particularly in that, you know, right at the business end

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he offers a lot, and you know, like

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Speaker 3: like any dad does, He's always eager to hear how training, when,

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Speaker 3: so yeah, he's he's really helped me throughout this week.

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Speaker 3: He's always encouraged me just to keep doing what I

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, it's an awesome heavy him here.

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Speaker 2: I love it that he's just still like a dad,

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Speaker 2: just like any other dad, even though he was such

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Speaker 2: an amazing player himself. And just to finish, just to

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Speaker 2: finish Caleb. After this, obviously there's an All Blacks team

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Speaker 2: to be named. Have you thought much about the All

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Speaker 2: Blacks during the Super Rugby season?

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Speaker 3: Oh, not too much, to be fair. I've been quite

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Speaker 3: on Monday night comes and I get named, I'll be happy.

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Speaker 3: And if not, then I'll just be happy to go

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Speaker 3: back and play for Auckland because I haven't played for

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Speaker 3: space or head space where I'm just always grateful for

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Speaker 3: anything I did and happy to put on a jersey,

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Speaker 3: put on some boots and just go and do what

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Speaker 3: I love. Well.

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Speaker 2: You've been a huge part of the Blue success this season. Mate,

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Speaker 2: all the beast for the final tonight. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: we can't wait to see how it plays out. Really

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Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time for a chat.

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Speaker 3: Awesome thanks Jason, No.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Caleb. Caleb Clark there from the Blues Camp.

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