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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected news.

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Speaker 1: Talk, said b.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Today. Coming up,

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Speaker 3: we're going to speak to Chris Finlas and former National

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Speaker 3: Party minister on his war of words with David Seymour

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Speaker 3: over the Treaty Principals Bill. Turns out we might have

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Speaker 3: lost as much as two point three billion dollars to

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Speaker 3: scam as this. Yes, we have a chapter Nets Safe

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Speaker 3: about it. And we're going to speak to the reporter

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Speaker 3: who first broke the story about Alan Jones, the former

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Speaker 3: Wallabies coach who has now been arrested.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen, right.

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Speaker 3: Are you convinced by Raiser yet? Because I feel like

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Speaker 3: you should be, because I think what Raisers managed to

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Speaker 3: do on this Northern tours pretty impressive. If the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks beat Italy this weekend, which apparently the Ginner apparently

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Speaker 3: that's a foregone conclusions account, that is a win. If

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Speaker 3: they beat Italy this weekend, then we can say that

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks came within one point of a clean

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Speaker 3: sweep of the Northern tour. Now, why that is special

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Speaker 3: is because we haven't done a clean sweep of the

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Speaker 3: Northern Tour since twenty seventeen. Now, obviously we haven't done

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Speaker 3: at this time. I'm come within one point, but a

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Speaker 3: one point is not bad because you have to think

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Speaker 3: about where we're at with the squad.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: This is Ray's first year. He took over a team

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Speaker 3: that frankly sucked a lot of the time, didn't they.

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Speaker 3: I mean, don't forget why we wanted to get rid

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Speaker 3: of Fozzy because these guys sucked. The All Blacks were

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Speaker 3: all over the show. They lost a series at home

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Speaker 3: to the Irish. They got smashed by the spring Box

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Speaker 3: twenty six ten, and that's not even to mention the

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Speaker 3: worst one, which was the Twickenham disaster where the Box

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Speaker 3: got smacked smacked US thirty five seven. I mean, that's huge.

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Speaker 3: That hurts, didn't it. So it's actually not bad to

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Speaker 3: turn those performances into a nearly clean sweep of the

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Speaker 3: Northern Tour in just one year now. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: let's not pretend that it's perfect out there, because even

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Speaker 3: the match that we watched this weekend was at times,

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Speaker 3: frankly a little irritating, wasn't it if not horrifying. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the discipline's a major problem. Giving away three pointers all

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Speaker 3: the time not ideal. There's that weird call to try

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Speaker 3: for two penalties in the last what was it, six

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Speaker 3: minutes of the game or something like that, when they

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Speaker 3: were obviously they should have gone for a try and

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Speaker 3: then they would have won. I mean, there was obviously

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Speaker 3: the wrong call to make. And we're not even talking

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Speaker 3: by the way. I'm talking about wins, but they're not

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Speaker 3: massive convincing margin zabe. But let's be fair. I mean,

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Speaker 3: think of any other discipline out there right. Think of

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Speaker 3: a business, for example, where a CEO takes over. You

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Speaker 3: don't expect perfection in the first year. You don't expect

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Speaker 3: a CEO taking over a business to suddenly turn an

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Speaker 3: absolute stinker into a blind do you. You just want

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Speaker 3: to see that it's headed in the right direction, you're

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Speaker 3: getting some improvement. And I think we've got it. I

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Speaker 3: think we can say, short of something horrible happening this weekend,

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Speaker 3: Rais has proven himself.

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Speaker 1: I'd ever do for CEO.

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Speaker 3: Is the text number on that one. Now, there are

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Speaker 3: calls for us to start upping the fines for speeding,

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Speaker 3: so reach Researchers found that drivers who get speeding tickets

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Speaker 3: are three times more likely to be in a crash

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Speaker 3: than drivers who don't get in speeding tickets. Speed is

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Speaker 3: a factor in about a third of the fatal crashes

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Speaker 3: that happened last year. Now, the guy behind this research

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Speaker 3: is doctor Darren Walton from the University of Canterbury. Darren, Hello, Darren,

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Speaker 3: did this surprise you?

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Speaker 5: The result surprises us in that it is always the

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Speaker 5: case that people who accumulate more and more tickets have

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Speaker 5: an increasing odds of having a crash. And the purpose

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Speaker 5: of ticketting people is to change their behavior. So you

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Speaker 5: would normally expect that, you know, the fines that people

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Speaker 5: accumulate would reduce the chance that they to have crash.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because obviously you speed. Like, That's how it worked

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Speaker 3: for me anyway, I sped, I got busted. It was

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Speaker 3: such a big fine, I pretty much tried never to

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Speaker 3: do it again. That's how it should work. So why

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Speaker 3: is it not working like that for people?

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Speaker 5: Well, some of these people who have accumulated a large

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Speaker 5: It's quite hard to do because these are all officer

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Speaker 5: that a few times, it shows that you are out

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Speaker 5: there with a proclivity to speed, and that speeding is

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Speaker 5: what is altering your crasherous.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, So it's not so much that, because I

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Speaker 3: wondered if what it was was you get a speeding

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Speaker 3: So they go a bugger and I'll just keep on speeding,

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Speaker 3: So almost you know, encourages them because the punishment isn't sufficient,

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Speaker 3: they keep on doing it. But that's not actually what's

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Speaker 6: It's not.

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Speaker 5: It could well be part of it because we have

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Speaker 5: not changed our fine regime since nineteen ninety nine when

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Speaker 5: that was introduced, So over twenty five years. That thirty

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Speaker 5: for a speeding ticket is almost the same as a

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Speaker 5: parking ticket. You can get a parking ticket that's more

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Speaker 5: than that these days, and so whether that is a

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Speaker 5: suitable punishment for the type of behavior is neat, but

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Speaker 5: it is certainly out of kilcil with the rest of

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Speaker 5: the world. Lots of other places have large to find

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Speaker 3: Well, the alternative explanation is that the reason that you

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Speaker 3: end up with so many tickets is because you're a

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Speaker 3: finger to authority, and so you are a problem already, right.

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Speaker 3: It's more a reflection of your attitude. Definitely.

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Speaker 5: The point that I would take from that is that

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Speaker 5: when you are accumulating tickets, what we tend to do

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Speaker 5: is we treat those as independent events. But we actually

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Speaker 5: once you've got three or four tickets and you're being

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Speaker 5: pulled over by a police officer, it is an opportunity

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Speaker 5: is the police officer knows that in order to offer

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Speaker 5: that individual. I would increase the fines, But.

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Speaker 3: Okay, how much, Darren, where are we pushing these fines

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Speaker 3: to to stop these terns?

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Speaker 5: The opportunity is to apply a multiplier, So you could

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Speaker 5: you could, if you don't treat them as independent events,

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Speaker 5: increase fines portion to how many how many tickets person

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Speaker 5: there's had over the two year period. You could alter

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Speaker 5: the demerit points. Because that is one mechanism that we

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Speaker 5: have for at least changing the risk profile. People know

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Speaker 5: that as they get closer and closer to the edge

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Speaker 5: of losing their license, that they might change their behavior

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Speaker 5: that way. But it is certainly possible to have four

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Speaker 5: or five tickets for over a to year period and

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Speaker 5: retain one's license, And that is an extraordinary risk to

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Speaker 5: carry in terms of the crastionalities.

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Speaker 6: That we've done.

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Speaker 5: What's the maximum buying you can get at the moment

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Speaker 5: six hundred and thirty dollars for a forty six to

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Speaker 5: fifty kilometer hour. After that, it's a criminal offense, but

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Speaker 5: that is small relative to other places in the world.

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Speaker 3: So okay, Darren, but tell me what do you think.

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Speaker 3: And if six hundred and thirty bucks isn't putting you off,

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Speaker 3: and Jesus it put me off. But if it's not

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Speaker 3: putting you off four or five times of that, what

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Speaker 3: do we increase it too to put you off?

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Speaker 5: Some people would suggest it should be income or wealth related,

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Speaker 5: so that the fine is associated and the proper a

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Speaker 5: proper deterrent to accumulating such a ticket. But I've got

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Speaker 5: to say a forty to fifty kilometer hour over the

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Speaker 5: speed limit ticket is an extraordinary event and That's why

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Speaker 5: it's said that Max the rate a ticket of one

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Speaker 5: and our is not getting four or five of those.

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Speaker 5: That's what people are accumulating. But that risk is really

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Speaker 3: Darren's really good to talk to you, mate, Thank you

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Speaker 3: for running us through. That's doctor Darren Walton of the

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Speaker 3: University of Canterbury. Heather. It's two points off a clean

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Speaker 3: sweep because one point would have been a draw ray.

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Speaker 3: Quite right. Actually, once again schorlsee Maths has let me down. Listen,

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Speaker 3: that hucket that happened last week. I was expecting that

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Speaker 3: hucker to go viral, but this is nuts. Like this

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Speaker 3: has gone whatever you think viral is. We're gonna have

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Speaker 3: to upgrade what we think viral is. This has gone

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Speaker 3: a high, well, a big time. So apparently, like a

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Speaker 3: job somewhere like Whistler. I don't know whatever. Anyway, she said,

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Speaker 3: all everybody in town is talking about They're all into

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Speaker 3: it in the middle of nowhere in Canada and then apparently,

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Speaker 3: according to Jason Wall's article in The Herald, Chris Luxen

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Speaker 3: he was waxing lyrical about the importance of ein voicing,

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Speaker 3: his audience was all distracted for obvious reasons see in

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Speaker 3: voicing after all, but they were all looking at their

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Speaker 3: The BBC's get This Techtok video has over twenty million views. Now,

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Speaker 3: if you think that's big, wait till I give you

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Speaker 3: the rest of the numbers, because twenty million does not

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Speaker 3: even touch the sides of how big this is. Full sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Who will take the White House results and analysis of

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Speaker 2: the US election on? Heather Dupless Alum drive with one

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, Let's get connected the news talk.

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Speaker 1: Sa'd be.

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Speaker 2: Sport with TB get your bed on R eighteen bed responsibly, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Get real, no all black when this year other than

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Speaker 3: Japan has been convincing ffs. Stick to what you know

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Speaker 3: is you know nothing about Rugby. Robertson thought he could

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Speaker 3: walk on water. He can't thumbs down thumbs down Jason

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Speaker 3: Pine's Sports Talk Hoost does actually know about rugby, and

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Speaker 3: he's with me.

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Speaker 7: Piney Well, at the risk of receiving a similar text,

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Speaker 7: I actually think I actually agree with you. I think

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Speaker 7: there's a lot to like about the progress of Scott

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Speaker 7: Robertson's all Blacks throughout this year.

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Speaker 3: Because I mean, let's be honest, at the start it

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Speaker 3: was pretty bad.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: We looked at it and we were like, oh, jeez,

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Speaker 3: give the cut the guy some slack, but it's a

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Speaker 3: lot of slack. We're gutting him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, what was four and three? Weren't they? They

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Speaker 7: were after the first seven tests of the year they

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Speaker 7: had won for and lost three. You know, we're fifty

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Speaker 7: to fifty there or thereabouts. And as you say, but

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Speaker 7: for a point yesterday morning, would be looking at seven

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Speaker 7: and zero to back end the year.

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Speaker 8: We're not.

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Speaker 7: Of course, France did enough to win the game yesterday.

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Speaker 7: A couple of interesting things for me, I'm not sure

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Speaker 7: why they took cam royguard off when they did. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 7: it just seemed odd to me that he, I mean,

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Speaker 7: he was playing well, it's not like he's and unleast

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Speaker 3: I'm going to put that guy on to you who

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Speaker 3: Jason Pine SportsTalk Coast seven. O'clock tonight. Heather, a fourteen

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplessy Allen drive with One New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 3: Beause we've got a lot to talk about. Hither I

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Speaker 3: Did I know?

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Speaker 9: So?

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. Next minute, you're going to be with attitude

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I thought that. I very clearly

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Speaker 3: got it? Anyway, We're talking about Jenny Shipley in a

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Speaker 2: Questions, strong opinion, Heather due for see allan drive with

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Speaker 1: Heaven.

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Speaker 3: Australia has raygun going viral and we have the hucker

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Speaker 3: Jenny Shipley. We've tried to call Jenny Shipley today. Ants

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Speaker 1: Away from five, it's the World wires on news Dogs.

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Speaker 3: Broadcaster and former Wallabies coach Alan Jones has been arrested

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Speaker 10: A result of a very long, thorough, protracted investigation.

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Speaker 11: There's no such thing as a matter that's too old

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Speaker 3: And finally, it's going better for the hamsters than it

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Speaker 2: Days International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of

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Speaker 2: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Live presenters with us, Hey, Ollie,

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Speaker 3: get ahead? How far back to these? Allan Jones' allegations

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Speaker 13: decades prior to obviously even coaching the Wallabies, Alan Jones

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Speaker 10: So you would imagine the fact that police.

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Speaker 13: You would probably suggest he is going to be charged

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Speaker 13: just by the level of detail that has also already

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Speaker 13: been released by the New South Wales Police Force. And

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Speaker 13: this obviously involves that time, as I said, as he

438
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Speaker 13: was a high school teacher, then working as the coach

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Speaker 13: of the Wallabies, and then he's very successful on air

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Speaker 13: media career for that matter, going on to hold the

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Speaker 13: ratings crown in Sydney Breakfast Radio at two GB for

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Speaker 13: about twenty years.

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Speaker 3: So when we say arrested as in taken down to

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Speaker 3: the cop shop and charged and let go or actually

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Speaker 3: still in the clink, still.

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Speaker 13: In the click as we speak, we don't know if

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Speaker 13: he's been let go yet. We do have obviously vision

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Speaker 13: and pictures of him in the back of a I

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Speaker 13: think it was a Hyundai. Actually it wasn't a Mark

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Speaker 13: police car as he was leaving his apartment this morning

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Speaker 13: near the Sydney Opera House.

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Speaker 10: So obviously we'll know more from police very soon.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Now, so what is this about the rule that

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Speaker 3: businesses have to accept cash?

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Speaker 10: Well, this is what the Treasurer is starting to put

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Speaker 10: out there that by twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 13: He wants it to be a requirement for businesses like groceries,

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Speaker 13: fuel outlets other essentials that they must accept cash as

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Speaker 13: a payment. Now, I reckon this is a bit of

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Speaker 13: a vote grubber and this is an attempt to try

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Speaker 13: and particularly with a lot of older Australians who are

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Speaker 13: understandably a little bit skeptical when it comes to digital payments.

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Speaker 13: I think we all are these days, to be honest,

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Speaker 13: they're not just brandishing older people and saying they don't

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Speaker 13: want to pay with their cards. But I mean, look,

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Speaker 13: you should still have the option, right, it is legal tender.

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Speaker 13: So I don't mind this idea, but I just think

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Speaker 13: it's coming at a time where the goverment's on the

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Speaker 13: nose and they think, hey, what if we tell everybody

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Speaker 13: they can pay with cash.

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Speaker 10: We're going to be voted back in, So that's been suggested.

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Speaker 13: The other one that I think is really interesting they've

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Speaker 13: suggested is that if a bank decides to close a

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Speaker 13: regional branch, they have to pay a levy now to

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Speaker 13: exactly what, But the government time I come back to us,

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Speaker 13: they just pay a levy, So you know, bank bashing

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Speaker 13: is going to the Government's had a bit of success

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Speaker 13: in recent months bashing the supermarkets, so I reckon they're

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Speaker 13: now I can moving on to the banks because they're

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Speaker 13: just trying to find enemies. That's just my little gut

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Speaker 13: feel on this one.

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Speaker 3: Ever, Yeah, it feels a little desperate, doesn't it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't quite get my head around this. So how

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Speaker 3: is how why if a Sydney school is trying to

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Speaker 3: fight screen time addiction, why is it giving out phones?

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Speaker 13: I agree with you, this is an interesting one. Pinball

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Speaker 13: Ladies College, which was where my sisters went. By the way,

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Speaker 13: they're going to start giving students smartphones from year five

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Speaker 13: to year seven, So in year four and year five

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Speaker 13: they can use a smartphone to make calls and send texts.

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Speaker 13: In year five's to year seven, they can add a

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Speaker 13: camera and they can have learning apps. In years eight

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Speaker 13: nine they can access chat groups, and then from year

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Speaker 13: ten it's just a free for all.

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Speaker 10: And they think, well, hold on, we've got to go

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Speaker 10: with them. We've got to educate the kids.

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Speaker 13: Now, I don't think that helps, to be honest, I mean,

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Speaker 13: unless you're giving someone a dumb phone, Heather, like a

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Speaker 13: phone that can only make calls and send text messages

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Speaker 13: when they're younger.

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Speaker 10: I can see the merit in that.

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Speaker 13: Particularly, we're in a different world than obviously when you

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Speaker 13: and I grew up, and we're the parents are young kids,

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Speaker 13: so I'm a bit more open minded about phones and

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Speaker 13: k I'm going to got a six year old. But

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Speaker 13: in the next five or ten years, I can see

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Speaker 13: the question being asked, Dad, I want a phone. Maybe

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Speaker 13: the dumb phone's the option, so that I can call him,

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Speaker 13: he can call me. But he doesn't need a camera

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Speaker 13: to take photos, he doesn't need social media, he doesn't

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Speaker 13: need to access the internet. Pimball Ladies College though in

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Speaker 13: Sydney saying no, no, no, We're going to go on

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Speaker 13: an education process with the students.

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Speaker 10: So it's going to be no fear of missing out

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Speaker 10: is their argument.

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Speaker 13: They can educate the students as they're graduating through the

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Speaker 13: years of school so they're not bullying each other. So

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Speaker 13: they I mean, idealistically sounds great, exactly, how can you

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Speaker 13: control what they're then sending to people at neighboring schools

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Speaker 13: or other schools or other teens at Sarah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, nah. I think I think your gut

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Speaker 3: feels right there, Ollie, thank you. Olli Peterson six pr

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Speaker 3: PERS Live presenter. I don't mind. I actually think they're

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Speaker 3: all like this school is onto something here where you've

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Speaker 3: got to teach the kids how to do the thing right,

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Speaker 3: Like same as you should teach your kids how to

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Speaker 3: drink responsibly, right, give them a little bit of wine

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Speaker 3: when they're still at home and stuff. Teach them how

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Speaker 3: to drink with dinner and stuff so they don't just

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Speaker 3: go out and get you know, absolutely chattered with the

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Speaker 3: kids in the minute they taste beer. But where the school.

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Speaker 3: So the idea of holding their hand and teaching them

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Speaker 3: how to do the thing is the right thing. But

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Speaker 3: I think where they're going wrong is the chat groups

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Speaker 3: at twelve, because remember year eight and you're still twelve

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Speaker 3: at year eight, right, that's about four years too early.

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Speaker 3: According to the book The Anxious Generation, which is now

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Speaker 3: my bible for raising children with screen times. Right when

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Speaker 3: I'm a complete evangelist on this, I've got completely lost.

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Speaker 3: I've gone mental. But he says sixteen, that's when you

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Speaker 3: introduce the social media for the food. So twelve is

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Speaker 3: miles to young quarter two.

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Speaker 2: The politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barris seeing your political correspondence with us, Hey Barry, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: So we have got what thirty thousand turning up tomorrow

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Speaker 3: at Parliament, have we.

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Speaker 8: Well, I'll be able to tell you tomorrow. I'll be there, Heather,

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Speaker 8: so it'll be quite interesting to see.

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Speaker 3: So when did you decide to join the hecoy?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely not, which I'm going to talk about fairly shortly.

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Speaker 8: But look, there is a concern, and I've talked to

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Speaker 8: a number around Parliament and those that are positions of

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Speaker 8: power that they are concerned that such a large crowd

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Speaker 8: will be out in the front of Parliament and maybe

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Speaker 8: security being breached the building itself. But the police Minister

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Speaker 8: Mark Mitchell, he is putting on a brave face in

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Speaker 8: the face of that concern when he spoke to reporters

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Speaker 8: this afternoon.

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Speaker 9: I haven't seen any intelligence on that, and there's certainly

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Speaker 9: been no indications of that. By the heck of it,

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Speaker 9: I think expectations have been very clear around that the

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Speaker 9: police have got the ability to be able to act

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Speaker 9: a move if there was any indicator that they were

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Speaker 9: choosing to move into an unlawful occupation of Parliment grounds.

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Speaker 9: The government will have a plan in terms of how

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Speaker 9: the HICKEU has received and the communications and the contact,

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Speaker 9: but there will be, without a doubt, there will be

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Speaker 9: content and there will be conversations, but those plans.

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Speaker 1: I'm not the one to speak to those plans.

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Speaker 8: See interesting that because I just wonder now, is Chris Hopkins,

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Speaker 8: Oh sorry, Chris Sipkins. I'll talk about him. He'll be

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Speaker 8: on the equoy, which he says he'll be joining. But

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Speaker 8: whether Chris Luxen, he's given indications he may talk to them,

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Speaker 8: But will he David Seymour will He seems to have

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Speaker 8: softened his position on that and now says that they

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Speaker 8: don't seem interested in talking to him, so why should

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Speaker 8: he bother? Goodness only knows what the Greens will do.

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Speaker 8: But my bet they'll probably be having a walk as well.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it. That how

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Speaker 8: they're going to be met at Parliament.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen very quickly, who is getting worked up about

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Speaker 3: the possibility of Parliament being breached because all I'm seeing

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Speaker 3: thus far is that these guys are doing this pieceful well.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, and there is concern. But there's concern now I

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Speaker 8: think because of the number of gang members that are

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Speaker 8: expected to be there, because two days after this, on Thursday,

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Speaker 8: gang patches will be outlawed, so you can imagine the

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Speaker 8: gangs will be out in force showing off their patches again.

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Speaker 8: Mitchell wasn't too concerned about the Heikoy being hijacked, just

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Speaker 8: as the COVID protest most certainly was when it came

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Speaker 8: to a fiery end. The minister says there's nothing to

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Speaker 8: stop gangs from taking part in the Hekoy though.

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Speaker 9: We're an open, free democracy where we must preserve the

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Speaker 9: right to peaceful protests. If they want to get in protest,

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Speaker 9: that's absolutely they're right. Enjoy we're in the patch for

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Speaker 9: the its four days, like you said, because when the

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Speaker 9: laws are enacted and come into force in it'll be

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Speaker 9: illegal to wear those pictures anymore. It will be illegal

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Speaker 9: to try and intimidate the communities these king members operator.

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Speaker 8: So they'll have their last outing with their patches tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, do you see how this has gone viral?

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Speaker 3: That's hacker. Oh it's absolutely nuts.

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Speaker 8: I read, I know, I heard you mentioning the millions.

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Speaker 8: I read shown James's column in The Herald this morning.

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Speaker 8: He says the Mara Party is hal ben and I

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Speaker 8: think you have of this view as well, head on

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Speaker 8: creating parliamentary disorder to boost their own membership totally, and

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Speaker 8: I think he's probably right there. He said performing the

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Speaker 8: Harker was akin to playing the pied Piepi, and the

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Speaker 8: lemmings from the Green Party in Labor followed accordingly. The

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Speaker 8: international image certainly has turned New Zealand into something of

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Speaker 8: a laughing stock around the world. American commentator Matt Walsh,

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Speaker 8: who's followed by millions in his country, took the merciless

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Speaker 8: proverbial out of New Zealand and a piece he did

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Speaker 8: for featuring the Hakker. Here's the mild editor version of

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Speaker 8: what Walsh's take was on the Treaty.

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Speaker 15: Of Bytagy established tribunals and led to a lot of

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Speaker 15: rulemaking by judges, but Parliament mostly stayed out of it.

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Speaker 15: Now with this new bill, David Seymour is trying to

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Speaker 15: change that. He's proposing concrete legislation that will clarify that

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Speaker 15: everybody in the country in New Zealand, whether they are

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Speaker 15: Maori or not, is entitled to the full protection of

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Speaker 15: the law. The moment you suggest withdrawing some of these

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Speaker 15: privileges or even just like expanding it so that everybody benefits,

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Speaker 15: they revolt turn your entire government into an international living stock.

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Speaker 8: See and that's the view being held by many I

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Speaker 8: think around the world. But the thing that you asked

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Speaker 8: me at the beginning, will I be on the Equoi?

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Speaker 8: I'm really upset by some members of the media that

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Speaker 8: have actually turned out on the he Equoi. And look,

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Speaker 8: I know Mihirangi Forbes and she's a really nice woman

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Speaker 8: and I really enjoy her company when I see her,

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Speaker 8: But I don't think she should be on the Hequoiys

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Speaker 8: she's a front say show for Radio New Zealand on

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Speaker 8: Saturday mornings, and she's got another podcast podcast that New

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Speaker 8: Zealand contributes about a million dollars on air to so

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Speaker 8: I don't think she should be there, And of course

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Speaker 8: she followed on from TV and z's chief content officer, Nevak.

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Speaker 3: Rogers, who's going to be there? Editorial?

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Speaker 8: You know they shouldn't be. I'm sorry. I'm an old

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Speaker 8: media hand, and if you want to be impartial, you

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Speaker 8: should be shown to be impartial, even though you may

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Speaker 8: hold strong views.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, nobody's going to be upset if

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Speaker 3: the spinoff turns up right because they wear their left

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Speaker 3: wing I don't want to say bias their left wing

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Speaker 3: perspective on their sleeves, but Aaron Z and TV and

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Speaker 3: Z pretend to be down the middle right, and if

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Speaker 3: you're going to take taxpayer money and pretend to be

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Speaker 3: down the middle, you have to be down the middle.

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Speaker 3: You can't go on an anti government protest.

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Speaker 8: That's right. And I don't think there's any real place

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Speaker 8: for the media on anti government protests anyway, whether you

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Speaker 8: like it or not. I mean, the Springbok tour is

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Speaker 8: a good example. I would have loved to have been

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Speaker 8: on that protest against part Aid, but I didn't. I

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Speaker 8: covered it, but that was about all it was inappropriate.

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Speaker 3: Ye, thanks, very appreciate it, very so for senior political

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Speaker 3: correspondence seven away from five, putting the.

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Speaker 2: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 16: Some concerns around the process of charter schools. The Associate

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Speaker 16: Education Ministry is of course David Symore, who is with us.

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Speaker 16: So the concern appears to come from Olwen Pool, who

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Speaker 16: of course is a seasoned campaigner in the wonderful world

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Speaker 16: of charter schools.

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Speaker 1: Does he have a point?

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Speaker 17: No, he doesn't. The only point that has fell is

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Speaker 17: that there were seventy eight applications and in the budget

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Speaker 17: we only have money for fifteen, so they were always

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Speaker 17: going to be people who were disappointed.

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Speaker 16: Is there a possibility that the demand will meet the

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Speaker 16: supply eventually?

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think as people see these charter schools work and

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Speaker 4: as they become a more normal part of museum, and

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Speaker 4: I think you'll see more existing state schools convert.

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Speaker 16: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 16: the Rain Driver of the Lamb News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: There's a little bit of a dispute about how much

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Speaker 3: exactly we're losing in scams. By the way, it's four

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Speaker 3: away from five, so net Safe reckons. We lost in

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Speaker 3: the last year two point three billion dollars incas. But

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Speaker 3: there's another figure being banded about which is only and

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Speaker 3: it's still big, but it's you know, less than a

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Speaker 3: tenth of that. It's only two hundred million dollars. That

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Speaker 3: figure is coming from the new Minister for scams, who's

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Speaker 3: Andrew Bailey. We're going to talk to net Safe about

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Speaker 3: that very shortly after five see if they can explain

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Speaker 3: to us that what is going on there. I'm not

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Speaker 3: surprised by this. National is apparently being slammed by its

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Speaker 3: members over its cowardly stance on the Treaty Principal's Bill.

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Speaker 3: This is being reported by Politics Now. Politic is the

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Speaker 3: kind of nerdy place where you know, it's where you

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Speaker 3: go if you're a year into politics. Everybody into politics

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Speaker 3: will have a little politics subscription. This is what it says.

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Speaker 3: By midnight on Thursday, after the Maori Party hucker in Parliament,

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Speaker 3: National MPs were being deluged with emails and messages from

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Speaker 3: their members calling them out for failing to support Seymour's bill.

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Speaker 3: That is exactly what Seymour hoped would happen, and that's

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Speaker 3: right Seymour was hoping, remember he kept saying it's going

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Speaker 3: to be more popular than Chris lucks and things, and

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Speaker 3: he was hoping that a whole bunch of them would

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Speaker 3: say to National use port this or we're going to

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Speaker 3: vote for Acts. And some of them are saying this

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Speaker 3: publicly actually, and they're being slammed in the n boxes.

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Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting to see exactly what happens from

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Speaker 3: here on in, because I think that's why the NATS

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Speaker 3: are over explaining the situation anyway. Form NAT Chrisphin Lason

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Speaker 3: with Us Next.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather due to thee Alan Drive with One New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected and youth talk.

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Speaker 1: As they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. A war of words has broken out on the

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Speaker 3: right of politics. Over the weekend. Former National Party Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister Jenny Shipley had a crackhet ACT leader David Seymour

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Speaker 3: accusing him of inviting civil war with his Treaty Principles Bill.

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Speaker 3: This is what David fired back this morning.

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Speaker 17: Jenny Shipley, it sounds like she took about as much

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Speaker 17: care on those comments as she took on reviewing the

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Speaker 17: accountsling two the director at Mainziel. Quite frankly, I just

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Speaker 17: don't know why she would say that. That's grossly irresponsible,

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Speaker 17: especially for a former prime minister. And as for chrispin

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Speaker 17: Lisson's showing the kind of haughtiness and business as unbecoming

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Speaker 17: of someone who's had their time.

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Speaker 3: Now, Jenny's not answering her phone today, but former Treaty

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Speaker 3: negotiation minister Chris fin Layson as high Chris.

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Speaker 18: Good evening, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. So did you hear it

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Speaker 3: this morning?

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Speaker 19: I did.

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Speaker 18: I striving to the airport and heard him have a

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Speaker 18: go at Jenny and me.

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Speaker 6: What do you think? Well?

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Speaker 18: I was a bit of mature. I mean, I thought

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Speaker 18: David wanted to debate the issues, but then people sort

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Speaker 18: of try and debate them, he turns on them.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't too.

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Speaker 18: Worried about me really, but a lot of people think

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Speaker 18: I'm a bit haughty and up myself. It's fair enough,

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Speaker 18: but I thought the comments about Jenny Shipley were a

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Speaker 18: bit nasty.

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Speaker 13: Really.

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Speaker 3: What about her handling of Mainzill, Yeah, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 18: You know, She's born a heavy burden over that. I

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Speaker 18: just felt very sorry for her.

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Speaker 3: Now, Chris, what do you make I mean, to some

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Speaker 3: extent fair enough that the personal attacks are probably a

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Speaker 3: little bit out of, you know, off brand for him.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say. But Dame Jenny Shipley, her comments at

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Speaker 3: the weekend were pretty wild, don't you think?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 18: I think what she was really getting at is that

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Speaker 18: we've had pretty good race relations in this country. We

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Speaker 18: all annoy one another from time to time, that we

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Speaker 18: sort of get on pretty well, and she's just worried

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Speaker 18: that what could be happening could indicate a serious deterioration

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Speaker 18: and race relations and pitting New Zealand or against New Zealand.

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Speaker 18: Do we really want that?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 3: But sometimes I mean, do we really want to shy

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Speaker 3: away from some tough debates that we need to have

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Speaker 3: just because we're scared people are going to get upset?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 18: Absolutely not, And I totally agree with that proposition. We

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Speaker 18: have to have some tough debates, but those who initiate

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Speaker 18: the debate need to be head for a bottle. And

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Speaker 18: the trouble with David's bill is that some parts of

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Speaker 18: it don't belong in a treaty Principle's bill.

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Speaker 5: They belong in a Bill of.

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Speaker 18: Rights or in a constitution, and it's fundamentally flawed and

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Speaker 18: very badly DRAFTEDLF I'll explain.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, Chris, and you make a fair argument, but explain

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Speaker 3: something to me.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: Normally, we allow a bill like this to go to

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Speaker 3: the select committee process, and we nutted out and we

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Speaker 3: hope to take out the things that we don't like

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Speaker 3: and keep the things we do like. But what is

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Speaker 3: going on is that the response to this bill is

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Speaker 3: so hysterical people are calling for the bill to be

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Speaker 3: dropped before we even get to that stage.

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Speaker 18: Why Oh, I think that's actually an excellent question, And

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Speaker 18: I don't want to sort of go on at length,

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Speaker 18: but let me just say this. In my first term

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Speaker 18: as an opposition MP, the Justice Committee had to deal

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Speaker 18: with Doug Wollerton's deletion of the Principles of the Treaty

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Speaker 18: Bill and Michael Cullen and Helen Clark as part of

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Speaker 18: an arrangement with UZM Firs.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you go to a select.

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Speaker 18: Committee hearing it was incoherent and badly drafted. I was

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Speaker 18: on the committee and we had a good look at her,

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Speaker 18: and then came back to the House and dumped it,

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Speaker 18: And so initially I was saying to myself, well, why

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Speaker 18: can't you do the same with this nonsense? But I

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Speaker 18: think it takes place against a backdrop of perceived antagonism

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Speaker 18: towards Mari on a number of fronts, and it's become

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Speaker 18: part of that problem. So yeah, I hear what you're saying,

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Speaker 18: but it's a different time, a era, and different circumstances.

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Speaker 6: Now, Chris.

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Speaker 3: What David also said in the interview is he sort

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Speaker 3: of suggested that the reason that yourself and Dame Jenny

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Speaker 3: are speaking out is because you're patch protecting, because the

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Speaker 3: reason that we've got to the point that we have

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Speaker 3: where we are with race relations is partly because of

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Speaker 3: work that you've done and work that she's done. What

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Speaker 3: do you make of that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 18: Jenny was Prime Minister for two years, during which time

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Speaker 18: the Nightahou settlement was concluded, so I don't know what

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Speaker 18: she's done wrong for me. While I was nine years

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Speaker 18: as Treaty Minister, did the best to get treating settlements

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Speaker 18: over the line, did a few interesting ones, like, for example,

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Speaker 18: the Wanganui River and the tu Hui one Boat, which

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Speaker 18: have been successful. So I don't know what particular sins

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Speaker 18: I have to move well.

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Speaker 3: I mean I could probably argue with you about the

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Speaker 3: two hoy one. We've had arguments about that on air before,

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Speaker 3: haven't well, and I don't think it was very successful.

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Speaker 18: Well, we'll wait and see. I think it's actually doing

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Speaker 18: very very well. And I saw the Director General of

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Speaker 18: Conservation the other day. I'm on the Tayo to where a.

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Speaker 5: Board and she said things are going very well.

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Speaker 18: So that's from Doc.

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Speaker 3: All right, Chris listen, thank you appreciated. Chrispin Lason. Former

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Speaker 3: Treaty negotiation.

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Speaker 1: Minister Keller dopersy Allen.

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Speaker 3: Police over in New South Wales have just started their

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Speaker 3: press conference over the former Wallabies coach Alan Jones's arrest.

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Speaker 3: It's been reported he's been charged over historical assault offenses.

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Speaker 3: The journo who first revealed these allegations from the Sydney

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Speaker 3: Morning Herald, will be with us just after half past five.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's thirteen past five. Now let's deal with

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Speaker 3: something else entirely. We've got ourselves an anti scam Minister,

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Speaker 3: Andrew Bailey, first guy in the job. This was announced

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Speaker 3: as news came out that Key Wes have lost an

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Speaker 3: eye watering two point three billion dollars to scammers this year,

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Speaker 3: and net Safe CEO Brent carriers with us on this.

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Speaker 1: Hey Brent, Hi, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Now, you guys say it's two point three billion in

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Speaker 3: a year, but Andrew Bailey says it's only two hundred million.

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Speaker 20: Why the difference that figures the eleven banking institutions that

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Speaker 20: are reporting. We spoke directly to victims and that's what

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Speaker 20: they've reported, So yes, the figures differ, but this is

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Speaker 20: people who have said they've lost their money, so that's

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Speaker 20: why it's different.

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Speaker 3: But the banks wouldn't the banks actually have an idea

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Speaker 3: of exactly how much is being lost, whereas you would

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Speaker 3: be doing a survey of a certain number of people

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Speaker 3: and then extrapolating across the whole country. So there's a

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Speaker 3: bit of guess work going on there.

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Speaker 6: Yes, there is.

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Speaker 20: This is just a snapshot from that survey, and certainly

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Speaker 20: we need a bigger pitch around the actual size of this.

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Speaker 20: It's big money, regardless millions or billions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally agree. What do you think of a new

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Speaker 3: anti scam minister?

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Speaker 20: I am welcome at because it enables us to coordinate

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Speaker 20: directly with one person instead of across multiple ministers, and

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Speaker 20: the UK have a fward minister.

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Speaker 1: So this is great news.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like the banks are doing enough? I

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Speaker 3: mean I saw the other day they started rolling out

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Speaker 3: and they'll have it rolled out by the end of

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Speaker 3: the month. I think the pay confirmation of paye thing

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Speaker 3: is that kind of what you want?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, we want more technology, we want more innovation and

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Speaker 20: we want to catch up with the rest of the world.

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Speaker 20: So these are all good first steps.

872
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Speaker 3: Brilliant. Hey Brent, thank you very much, really appreciate it.

873
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: BRN carry nets safe CEO. Listen, after the break, let's

874
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: go to Mark Mitchell, police Minister, on what he is

875
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: expecting from the heky tomorrow's quarter past All right, seventeen

876
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: past five. Listened to that press conference over in New

877
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: South Wales. Here's the New South Wales Police Assistant Commissioner.

878
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 21: Where is it being charged with twenty four offenses. Those

879
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 21: offenses include eleven charges of aggravated indecent assault where the

880
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 21: victim was under the authority of the offender, nine charges

881
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 21: related to assault with active indecency, two charges of common

882
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 21: assault and two charges of sexual touching.

883
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 3: Okay, so the allegations are against involved eight victims. The

884
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: offenses allegedly took place as Alan Jones, by the way,

885
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: a former Wallabies coach and obviously big time broadcast were

886
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 3: over in Australia. Offenses allegedly took place between twenty one

887
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: and twenty eighteen, and the youngest of his victims was seventeen.

888
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: Heather duplusy Ellen.

889
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 3: All right, the policemanis though over here is crowing about

890
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: crime figures. The latest stats from the Coppers show ram

891
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: raids a down sixty percent, foot patrols are up thirty percent,

892
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: aggravated robberies are down eleven percent, and burglary is down

893
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 3: ten percent. Mark Mitchell is the Police Minister and with us.

894
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 19: Now hey Mark hi, heah, they think so. I'm definitely

895
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 19: not crowing. There's still a lot of work to do,

896
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 19: but I think it's important to report on progress.

897
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: I've overwritten it. I apologizes, but you have to be

898
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: I mean, you have to be reasonable, please, because you

899
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: don't have to quit your job, now.

900
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 9: Do you.

901
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 22: No?

902
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 19: Well, I did put a line on the sea and

903
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 19: I felt that was really important, and I gave myself

904
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 19: twelve months to be able to show the country that

905
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 19: I was working hard and achieving results. And although there's

906
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 19: a long way to go and there's a lot more

907
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 19: to do, you know we are heading in the right direction.

908
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 23: With out of doubt.

909
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 3: What do you reckon is the reason for these these

910
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 3: figures turning around?

911
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 19: I think, well, number one, we have a world class

912
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 19: police service. I think that my letter that I released

913
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Speaker 19: publicly oncoming the government to the Commissioner outlining the coalition

914
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 19: government's priorities where has definitely helped refocus back to basics,

915
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 19: small beat officers out on the ground that are much

916
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 19: tougher approach and starts to policing gangs and protecting the

917
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 19: public's right to freedom of movement, and so you know,

918
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 19: there's a whole combination of things. But all of these

919
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 19: results are our police officers at frontline police officers that

920
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 19: get out there every day and doing out standing job.

921
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: Now, how are you feeling about the he coy tomorrow

922
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: because apparently there's some concern that there might be a

923
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 3: little bit of trouble at Parliament, although they seem to

924
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: be making a real attempt to be peaceful.

925
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 19: No, I'm feeling positive about it. So the organizers of

926
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 19: the Hicko we have engaged really positively with police. There's

927
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Speaker 19: been a lot of work going on behind the scenes. Obviously,

928
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 19: we were really clear that we wanted absolute minimum disruption

929
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 19: to members of the public that are trying to go

930
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 19: about their daily business, and that's largely achieved and so

931
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 19: I think so I'm positive about it. I think that

932
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 19: they've made a commitment to a peaceful protest at Parliament,

933
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 19: which of course, in a democracy like ours, is really

934
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 19: important to be able to do. And so yeah, I

935
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 19: think that police don't understanding job. The organizers have certainly

936
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 19: stuck to what they committed to and I don't see

937
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 19: any reason why that would change.

938
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 3: And what about the gang members they actually planning a

939
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: protest with their patches on on Thursday.

940
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 19: Well, there might be some game members turned up on Thursday.

941
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 19: I mean, I don't think I know that the organizer

942
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 19: of the heckul we do not want other groups coming

943
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 19: in and trying to hijack the event and dilute them

944
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 19: message that they are protesting on So I don't know

945
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 19: whether that will happen with the gangs or not. They

946
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Speaker 19: might have a last flurry and the remaining few days

947
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 19: that they can wear their patches, but we don't anticipate

948
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 19: there's going to be big issues on Parliment grounds tomorrow.

949
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: Okay, Mark, thank you very much. Appreciated about much. All

950
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: the policemenis stay.

951
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 12: Yeah.

952
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: Apparently the gangs are planning something on Thursday, not so

953
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: much tomorrow, as sources said to The Herald. Many are

954
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: planning on continuing wearing patches and looking at a standoff

955
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: at Parliament on Thursday. This could involve several gangs, but

956
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 3: plans are being kept under wraps because they don't want

957
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 3: the coppers knowing what they're gonna do. Although they just

958
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: spoke to the Herald and then told the coppers what

959
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: they're going to do. Thursday is the important day because

960
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: Thursday is the day that the patches officially become illegal.

961
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 3: I think they should do it. I reckon they should all,

962
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: like every single game member in this country, should put

963
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: their patches on and go to Parliament. Will round them

964
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: all up. It'd be so easy, is round a lot

965
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: of them up, be like are you okay? Here you go?

966
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: Patches gone? I mean, what a way to get rid

967
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: of the patches? So I think take it all like,

968
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 3: corral yourselves, take it all to one spot. We'll sort

969
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: it down. Right then and there great idea, guys, showing

970
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 3: once again how intelligent gangs are. Five two.

971
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

972
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

973
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: youth talks.

974
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 3: That'd be Nikola Willis Is normally with us at six

975
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: o'clock on a Monday. But where's Nichola Willis today? She's

976
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 3: on a plane to when Parctica. Frankly, I think a

977
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: lot of people in the National Party wish they were

978
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 3: on a plane and taric at the moment, given the

979
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: hecoy tomorrow. So we've got Paul Goldsmith instead, which is

980
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 3: actually not bad because he's the guy in charge of

981
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: the Treaty Principal's issue for the National Partist. We have

982
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: a chat to him right now. So remember after six

983
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 3: five point twenty five at the moment listen. I was

984
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: really pleased watching the news last night to see that

985
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: finally there are some people now calling on the police

986
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 3: to take a different approach to the dismissing madcle for Dad.

987
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: The call has come predominantly from the local mayor and

988
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: also a private investigator who's been working on this case

989
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: to cut the dat a bit of slack, maybe give

990
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: him a reason to bring those kids back out, because

991
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: at the moment, what he's facing if he comes back

992
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: out is that we're to charge him, We're going to

993
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: take the kids off him, And that's not giving him

994
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: much of a reason to come back out, is it.

995
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 22: Now.

996
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: I'm pleased that they're saying this out loud, because this

997
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: is actually how I feel, and how I felt for

998
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 3: a little while.

999
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 14: Now.

1000
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: The longer that this thing goes on with those guys

1001
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: being bush, the less I'm convinced that chasing Tom Phillips

1002
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: down and charging him and taking the kids off him

1003
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: is the right idea. I mean, regardless of whether you

1004
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: think he's a good dad or not, whether he's doing

1005
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 3: the right thing or not, he is clearly a dad

1006
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: who is doing whatever it takes to protect his kids.

1007
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: Now that is not something you can say of every dad,

1008
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: is it. It really isn't now. And I don't know

1009
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: what he thinks he's protecting his kids from, because all

1010
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: of this is family called stuff, and the family court

1011
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 3: is protected and we never really find out what goes

1012
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 3: on in the family court, so we just have no idea, right,

1013
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,959
Speaker 3: But this is a dad who had custody of his kids,

1014
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 3: so he cared. And if you assume that he's gone

1015
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: Bush until those kids are old enough to look after

1016
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 3: themselves legally, which is sixteen, then it's going to take

1017
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: eleven years for the youngest one from the minute that

1018
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: they went to Bush to the youngest one being sixteen.

1019
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: Eleven years is a long time to put your life

1020
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: on hold for the kids, whether you do. If he

1021
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: because he thinks he's doing the right thing right, he

1022
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: might not be, but he thinks he is. Has a

1023
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: massive sacrifice for a dad to make. Now, I think

1024
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 3: that there's one thing that most of us, if not

1025
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: all of us, will absolutely agree on, which is that

1026
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: going Bush is not actually the best thing for these kids,

1027
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: because these kids are not at school and they're not

1028
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: hanging out with the kids their age, and it would

1029
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 3: be better if they were back with us in the

1030
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: real world. But would it be better if they were

1031
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 3: back with us in the real world and taken from

1032
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 3: their dad? And I don't know, I don't know who

1033
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: gets them, who gets them audoing atomodiki? Would that be

1034
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: better than being Bush? I'm not so sure. So I

1035
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: think let's put the kids at the center of this,

1036
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 3: in which case the answer is let's get them out

1037
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 3: of the bush. The dad doesn't go to jail. The

1038
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: dad is part of their lives. They stay safely with family.

1039
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: If he's involved, I don't know, maybe, but if getting

1040
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 3: to that point getting him to come out means dropping

1041
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: the charges, I'm going to be okay with that, because

1042
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: I reckon the welfare of those three kids is more

1043
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: important than punishing a dad. For I'm assuming thinking he's

1044
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: doing the right thing. Heither do for see Ellen here

1045
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: the ex politicians should just stay that X Heither. Finlayson

1046
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 3: is another po ex politician who keepers thoughts to himself.

1047
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 3: Heather Shipley got what she looked for, which is publicity

1048
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: burying her unsavory past. She's trying to rehabilitate herself with

1049
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 3: these comments. I think Finlason Finlasson is just another who

1050
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: keeps bowing to the seventeen percent still believes he did

1051
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: the right thing. Listen that example. Honestly, Chris fin Layson

1052
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: used probably the worst example of the good stuff. He's

1053
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: done that too. Hoy settlement is a disaster, by the way,

1054
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 3: It's not a good thing. It's a disaster because what

1055
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 3: it's led to is the co governance of Tildaweta National

1056
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 3: Park right. The what Too Hoy has done by sharing

1057
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: the management with Doc is that they remember one summer

1058
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: they just shut one of the great walks Lake Way

1059
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: Katama Won. They were like, that's it, no one else,

1060
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 3: you can't come in. We're in Chardge. They're ripping out

1061
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 3: huts in the back. In the back country, they are

1062
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 3: allowing everything to go to rack and ruin. The place

1063
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 3: is a complete bomb site. So don't come at me

1064
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: and tell me that's a good idea. It seems like

1065
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: a really bad idea. Headline's next.

1066
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 2: The day's newsers talk to Heather first, Heather dupless allan

1067
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and you

1068
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: talk z be.

1069
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 8: Take them.

1070
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: Had the whole standing by. We've got Mark Sainsbury and

1071
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 3: Trisherson with us this evening, also COP twenty nine. We've

1072
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: hardly talked about it, and we really need to talk

1073
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 3: about it because you know, it's a big thing and

1074
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: it could cost us. I'll have a lot of money

1075
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: because I don't know if you're aware of this, but

1076
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 3: the Germans are putting pressure on everybody to cough up

1077
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 3: this is everybody who's rich, and we still belong to

1078
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: the rich club for now, and we need to come

1079
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: to a deal with the poor, the poor club. The

1080
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: poor club wants at least eleven trillion dollars a year

1081
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: to help them cut emission's gas emissions and cope with

1082
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 3: you know, what's happening to the climate. And so we're

1083
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 3: gonna have to front up and decide how much we're

1084
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 3: gonna pay. But we haven't yet as rich countries. So

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Speaker 3: we'll find out from Paul Goldsmith what he knows about

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Speaker 3: that and how much money we're prepared to set. Aside

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Speaker 3: that he's with us after six twenty four away.

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Speaker 1: From six ever due for see Ellen right to.

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Speaker 3: The Alan Jones story.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Allen Jones obviously is the very famous Australian broadcaster former

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Speaker 3: rugby coach. He's been arrested and charged with sex assault

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Speaker 3: offenses spanning almost twenty years. The cops have just in

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Speaker 3: the last hour or so been giving a press conference

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Speaker 3: or half hour really, with a little bit more detail

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Speaker 3: about the eight victims who come forward.

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Speaker 24: We will allege the accused new some of them personally,

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Speaker 24: some of them professionally, and we'll also allege that some

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Speaker 24: of the victims when the alleged defense took place, was

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Speaker 24: the first time they ever accused.

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Speaker 3: Kate mcclint McClement sorry, is the Sydney Morning Herald's chief

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Speaker 3: investigative reporter. Her investigation first revealed allegations against Alan Jones

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Speaker 3: last year and she's with us right now. Hey, Kate,

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Speaker 3: Hello Heather, Kate. Did the cops not know anything about

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Speaker 3: this until you started breaking the story.

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Speaker 14: No, they had interviewed a seventeen year old then seventeen

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Speaker 14: year old years ago, but at that time they just said, look,

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Speaker 14: give us a statement, but we just want to let

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Speaker 14: you know that it would be your word against basically

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Speaker 14: one of the most powerful men in Australia who will

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Speaker 14: be armed with top e eight lawyers. So look, that

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Speaker 14: was the reality of the situation. But since December last year,

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Speaker 14: when I revealed that a number of young men, some

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Speaker 14: on the record, were making allegations of indecent assault or

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Speaker 14: groping against Alan Jones, I think the dynamic changed and

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Speaker 14: it's hard to put into words just what a powerful

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Speaker 14: person Alan Jones has been. And in fact, one of

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Speaker 14: my victims, who was Alan Jones's driver, said at the time,

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Speaker 14: Alan Jones was more powerful than the Prime minister and

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Speaker 14: who was I a nobody? Well, I think that power

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Speaker 14: imbalance prevented people from coming forward in the past. But

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Speaker 14: as one victim said to me, I just don't want

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Speaker 14: Alan Jones to get a state funeral. I want people

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Speaker 14: to know what he has done before he died. Now,

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Speaker 14: Alan Jones has denied these allegations and is maintaining his innocence,

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Speaker 14: so we have to keep that in mind.

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Speaker 3: He threatened you with defamation ay, did that ever come?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 3: But he did.

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Speaker 14: Yes, he did threaten me with a defamation action, but no,

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Speaker 14: he never filed one.

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Speaker 3: And tell me something, I mean, without getting into too

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Speaker 3: much detail, Kate did. At the moment, what we understand

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Speaker 3: is groping, right. Is there any allegation beyond that? Anything

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Speaker 3: more serious than that?

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Speaker 14: The most serious ones are allegations of indecent sexual assault,

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Speaker 14: which can attract a jail penalty of five years, So

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Speaker 14: they are serious offensive and as you mentioned, there's actually

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Speaker 14: twenty four charges, so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

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Speaker 14: I think that there'll be more detail when Allen Jones

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Speaker 14: goes to court on the eighteenth of December.

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Speaker 3: Is he held in the clink until the eighteenth of December.

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Speaker 3: Do they let it out?

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Speaker 14: No, he was granted bail and there have been restrictions

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Speaker 14: placed upon him so that he can't leave the country

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Speaker 14: and we don't know yet what his bail conditions are,

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Speaker 14: but they will be not to contact witnesses and things

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Speaker 14: like that.

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Speaker 3: All right, Kate, thank you very much, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: That's Kate mcclimont Saiday morning. Herald Chief investigative reported twenty

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Speaker 3: away from.

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Speaker 2: Sex the Huddle with New Zealand Tutherby's International Realty, local

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Speaker 3: On the huddle with me this evening. Treshearson of Sherson

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Speaker 3: Willis pr Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster. Hello are you too? Hello?

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Speaker 10: He ever sayings, So, how's it going?

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Speaker 22: You good?

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Speaker 25: And you? I thought you two would be down here

1159
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Speaker 25: on the heckoy?

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Speaker 3: Oh are you going?

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Speaker 6: I'm going to go along? Going going to have a look? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Are you going to? Are you going to look? Or

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Speaker 3: are you going to be wearing your red blacks and

1164
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 3: white and you're actually going to join the heckoy?

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00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 25: Well, no, it's funny. We're having a bit of a

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Speaker 25: discussion about that.

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Speaker 6: As to.

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Speaker 25: I'm going down to have it. You're sort of I'm

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Speaker 25: not a sort of a full time journalist. I always

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00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 25: sort of inappropriate to get involved in any political activity

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Speaker 25: if you're a working journalist.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think it's it doesn't work.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 25: Yes, I think it's a big but it's a bit

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Speaker 25: I'm in a sort of a slightly different situation, but

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Speaker 25: I've got quite a bit of sympathy for the for

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Speaker 25: the hekkoy, Yeah, lock me in love with Dane, Jenny

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Speaker 25: and and and the others.

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Speaker 3: What don't you like about the treaty?

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Speaker 25: Probably I just thought, Look, I just think the whole

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Speaker 25: thing it's it's unnecessary and divisit is my issue, Okay,

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Speaker 25: I mean, and I think there's a good there was

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Speaker 25: a good point made over the weekend. I mean, it

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Speaker 25: wouldn't have happened under John keyes watch. You know, he

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Speaker 25: would have been too smart for that, because right from

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Speaker 25: the start you had Luxon saying, look, I don't support this,

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Speaker 25: we're not going to vote past the second reading. But

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Speaker 25: they copped all the damage.

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Speaker 3: In any case, this is such a rookie move from

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Speaker 3: the nets. It's unreal. What do you think, Trish about

1191
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Speaker 3: these journals going out, and the important thing about these

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Speaker 3: journals and editorial staff. We are talking about people who

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Speaker 3: work for ring Z and TV and Z, the two

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Speaker 3: state owned broadcasters, one of them funded by the state,

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Speaker 3: both of which say that they are neutral and unbiased.

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Speaker 3: That's really important, it is.

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Speaker 11: But I think from an employment perspective, it's very difficult

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Speaker 11: for those organizations to say in your private time, you

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Speaker 11: can't you don't have the right to protest like anyone else.

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Speaker 3: I mean posting it on social media. They probably need

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Speaker 3: to have quite clear guidelines about that, don't they, so

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Speaker 3: they can ping these guys when they do it.

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Speaker 11: Well, even then, I think that's difficult. I mean view

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Speaker 11: about it is that it comes down to the individual

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Speaker 11: journalist at their view. I think it's interesting, as Mark

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Speaker 11: just said, you know, there have been a lot of

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Speaker 11: journalists along the way who just were very careful around

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Speaker 11: this kind of stuff. But times have changed. But I

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Speaker 11: do think that what we have seen over the weekend

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Speaker 11: is a continuation of what's become a very unedifying debate

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Speaker 11: around the whole issue of the Treaty Principles bill. And

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Speaker 11: you know, I've had to eat my hat on the

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Speaker 11: show recently for bad predictions, but this is one I

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Speaker 11: have got right from the start. I said, well, David

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Speaker 11: Seymour might want a high minded, intellectual discussion around this.

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Speaker 11: This was never going to be the way that it

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Speaker 11: rolled down. I actually agree with Chris Finlayson's his sort

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Speaker 11: of line and length on this and his commentary around it.

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Speaker 11: I think we're right, and it does make me sort

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Speaker 11: of again feel concern for the political leadership we have

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Speaker 11: at the moment trying to deal with this. You know,

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Speaker 11: on the one hand, you've got ACT and at the

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Speaker 11: other end of the spectrum you've got to Party Maori,

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Speaker 11: and they are really operating on around this issue in

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Speaker 11: a way that is illustrative of where we've got to

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Speaker 11: in the social media.

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Speaker 3: GiB coming from. I don't want to use the word

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Speaker 3: extreme because then it makes it sound like that it

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Speaker 3: sort of deplatforms them to some extent, but they're coming

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Speaker 3: from from the far ends of the discussion.

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Speaker 11: They are, and it's interesting that at the time Active

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Speaker 11: brought this Treaty Principles Bill to Parliament, you've got, you know,

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Speaker 11: these kind of mirrors on the spectrum like it. So

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Speaker 11: it's sort of the right time to have to party

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Speaker 11: Maori and in a funny way to kick against this

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Speaker 11: from Act. Just think back in history though, and I

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Speaker 11: think this is interesting that where this has got between

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Speaker 11: National Act and I was thinking about it, Mike. You

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Speaker 11: might remember better than me, but you know, back in

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Speaker 11: the in the sort of ninety six ninety seven when

1241
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Speaker 11: Act first came to Parliament, one of the first things

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Speaker 11: that Act put up was time limits on treaty settlements.

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Speaker 11: Big who are at the time, But National adopted it

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Speaker 11: and got on with it and a lot of the

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Speaker 11: settlements were done because of that. This time around from

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Speaker 11: National they are going absolutely nowhere near this and I

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Speaker 11: think it's the right thing to do. And actually, when

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Speaker 11: I was this morning listening to Hoskins Show and I

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Speaker 11: heard the interview with Seymour and I heard his comment

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Speaker 11: about Jenny Shipley, and I actually thought it did David

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Speaker 11: a real disservice. You know, if he wants to encourage

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Speaker 11: a thoughtful debate around this, you play the you don't

1253
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Speaker 11: play the man, You play the ball. And I just

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Speaker 11: don't think this whole thing is taking us any further, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, I want to get your take on it, saying

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Speaker 3: so well to get it after the break a quarter two.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, elevate the

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Speaker 2: marketing of your home.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Ames, so are you going to say something?

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Speaker 9: Then?

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Speaker 25: Look the thing I've just been thinking about through all

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Speaker 25: this heabit is so you look at Doug Graham under Bulger,

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Speaker 25: huge gains in treaty settlements, same with chrispins and under

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Speaker 25: Key National and this is contrary to the DNA. I mean,

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Speaker 25: it's arguable that the massive moves on treaty settlements may

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Speaker 25: well have sort of costume Bulger's job at the time.

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Speaker 25: But the thing is they have they actually have quite

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Speaker 25: a proud history in terms of the adealings of MARI

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Speaker 25: and trying to settle the treaties. And that's why I

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Speaker 25: totally understand we're both Jenny Ship and Chrispiners and are

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Speaker 25: coming from that damages, especially the party's relationship to MARII.

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Speaker 3: But you see, the thing is, this is not about

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Speaker 3: treaty settlements, right, So this is about this is about

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Speaker 3: this is not about what any government of any color

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Speaker 3: has done. This is about what the courts have done

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Speaker 3: with treaty principles. And that is where the resistance is well, yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying you're talking about the relationship.

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Speaker 25: In the past, that the relationship in some ways has

1279
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Speaker 25: been a commendable one because of the work they've done there.

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Speaker 25: Would now move into this sort of whether how are

1281
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Speaker 25: you putting the treaty principle, whether they go into law

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Speaker 25: or not. But what I'm saying is it's sort of

1283
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Speaker 25: there's any good will that's sort of said.

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Speaker 3: Which is remarkable ATRISH because the Nets, the Gnats clearly

1285
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Speaker 3: thought that they could put this in an arm's length

1286
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Speaker 3: and they are stuffing this up so badly. They are

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Speaker 3: wearing this.

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Speaker 11: They are wearing it. And when I saw the email

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Speaker 11: coming from the National Party.

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Speaker 3: On Thursday night on Thursday night, and.

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Speaker 11: I thought it's that old thing. It was such a

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Speaker 11: long email from Paul Goldsmith explaining the position of you

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Speaker 11: know why we're supporting it now, but we won't support

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Speaker 11: it then, and you know too many things.

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Speaker 3: Explaining is losing, Explaining is losing.

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Speaker 11: I think you know that this six months selectrimittee process

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Speaker 11: is going to be bad for everybody. There is no

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Speaker 11: winners out of this process because it takes us to

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Speaker 11: a dead end and all of the emotion and and and.

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Speaker 3: We are going to end up feeling so angry at

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Speaker 3: the end of the and nothing will have changed. That's right,

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Speaker 3: that's right. And yeah, so the Nets, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 3: shocked at how stupid the Nets have been on this.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, what can you do? Hey saying? So listen,

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Speaker 3: tell me, what do you think should the cops consider

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Speaker 3: a different strategy with that dad who's taking his kids bush?

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Speaker 25: They can consider a different strategy, But there's no way

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Speaker 25: you can offer someone an amnesty. You can why not say, look,

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Speaker 25: you can kidnap your kids, go off rob a bank

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Speaker 25: and look, we'll well, we'll just forget about it.

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Speaker 3: You're to do, though, how do you get him out

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Speaker 3: those sayings though, because he ain't going to come out

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Speaker 3: with those kids if he's going to be chucked in

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Speaker 3: jail and lose custody all together, which would already happened.

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Speaker 25: Really yeah, but it's going to say a pretty dangerous

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Speaker 25: precedent if you say, you know, we'll start letting you

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Speaker 25: off things if you sort of decide to look, it's

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Speaker 25: the big problem there is he's obviously getting help. That's

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Speaker 25: that's that's the biggest issue in those poor kids. What

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Speaker 25: sort of and it's interesting reading. Even if he's a

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Speaker 25: you know, even if they catch him, they're then going

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Speaker 25: to somehow try and keep the relationship going with the kids,

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Speaker 25: because that's all I've known for the Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What do you think true?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think there's a hard line on this. I mean,

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Speaker 11: you could argue anything in the name of love, and

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Speaker 11: if we.

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Speaker 3: Have a hard line, he stays in the bush well,

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Speaker 3: and those kids stay without an education in their own peers.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, but you I totally agree with Mark on this.

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Speaker 11: This is a guy who's kidnapped his own kids. And

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Speaker 11: I come at this from the perspective.

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Speaker 3: Of a mother.

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Speaker 11: If these were my kids and a dad had and

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Speaker 11: the dad had taken my kids off for what three years, Yeah,

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Speaker 11: I would say get him out, and whatever happens to

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Speaker 11: him is on his heads. But I want my kids back.

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Speaker 11: And I actually think if you were the mum in

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Speaker 11: this situation, which is what sort of I think about

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Speaker 11: late at night, I don't know how you'd still be

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01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 11: holding together. You would be absolutely beside yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I think it's actually quite complicated. I think

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Speaker 3: there's a lot we don't know because the family court

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Speaker 3: and hopefully in time we will get a little bit

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Speaker 3: more out of this, guys. I really appreciate you having

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Speaker 3: a chat to us. Thank you, Tricia's Mark Sainsbury. How

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Speaker 3: hard all this evening ate away from six.

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Speaker 1: Red or blue?

1349
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 2: Trump or Harris? Who will win the battleground states? The

1350
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Speaker 2: latest on the US election? It's Heather duplicy Alan drive

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Speaker 2: with one New Zealand let's get connected these talks that'd.

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Speaker 3: Be six away from six Heather. Who are we to

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Speaker 3: judge of parents actions for their best efforts for their

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Speaker 3: own kids? We often do, though, don't we? Because some

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Speaker 3: parents really suck, don't they?

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Speaker 8: Hither?

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Speaker 3: I received that email from Paul Goldsmith and have since

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Speaker 3: I'm unsubscribed from the National Party emails, and I've told

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Speaker 3: them that after forty five years of voting National, I

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Speaker 3: won't be voting for them again. That's from Johnny. I

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Speaker 3: hear the fourteen members of our family are changing our

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Speaker 3: votes from National to ACT. I would like to see

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Speaker 3: how Shipley and Finlason would cope in Parliament now and

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Speaker 3: it carries on. I'll tell you what. I cannot tell

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01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 3: you how many texts I'm getting along those lines saying

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Speaker 3: really angry at the NATS about this, and the Nats

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Speaker 3: kind of deserve what they're getting because this has been

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Speaker 3: honestly a one oh one political scientist science student could

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Speaker 3: have told them at the very out of this, don't

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Speaker 3: take something contentious like this to Parliament if you're just

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Speaker 3: gonna kill it, because all that's going to happen is

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Speaker 3: that you think people are angry now, you wait till

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Speaker 3: we're six months down the Select committee path and with

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Speaker 3: a view to with the possibility of extending the Select

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Speaker 3: committee duration. By the way, six months is the minimum

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Speaker 3: we get down six months down the path. Imagine how

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01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 3: angry people are going to be then, and then you

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Speaker 3: kill the thing. And so one side's going to be

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01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 3: angry because the thing's been killed and we went through

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Speaker 3: all of this fight for nothing, and the other side's

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01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 3: going to be angry because David Seymore saying, well, got

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Speaker 3: it killed this time, but we're bringing it back like

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01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 3: you know, oh lord, I don't even know anyway, listen

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01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 3: quite surprised. So anyway, we're not finished with it, because

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Speaker 3: Paul Goldsmith's going to be with us next after the news,

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Speaker 3: so we'll ask him about that because he's the guy

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Speaker 3: who sent out the email. On another subject altogether, if

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Speaker 3: you have a Toyota high Lux, lock her up, put

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Speaker 3: her in the garage, because she is now the most

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Speaker 3: stolen car in New Zealand a one hundred and just

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Speaker 3: in six months, six months first of May to first

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Speaker 3: of Novem this year, one hundred and seventy one Toyota

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Speaker 3: High Luxes were stolen, and then the next three cars

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Speaker 3: to make out the top four Toyota Hias, van Ford,

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Speaker 3: Courier and Nissa Nevara. Now this is surprising because how

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Speaker 3: long have we been just assuming it's you guys driving

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Speaker 3: the Nana cars who were in trouble because normally the

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Speaker 3: baddies love the Nana cars because nobody suspects it's a

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Speaker 3: ram raider in a nanaka. Is that they don't see

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Speaker 3: a Toyota a Masda Demio going down the road and think, wook,

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Speaker 3: there's a gang member in there, but could well be good?

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Speaker 3: Wellb that's why they were licking the small cars because

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Speaker 3: it's just so incognito. But now what's going on they

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Speaker 3: think is that these Toyota High Luxes at Etal are

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Speaker 3: really easy to break down right and sell the parts

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Speaker 3: because there's so many of them around, so you get

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Speaker 3: the parts hot. Somebody wants a I don't know, bloody axel,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Somebody wants a thing out of a Toyota high Lux

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Speaker 3: and you can sell it for cheap. And then also

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Speaker 3: everybody wants them, so very easy to sell them into

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Speaker 3: the regions and people will buy them there because the

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Speaker 3: ain't that many. It's going around looking for a Toyota Highlights.

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Speaker 3: It's been next you see what I'm saying. So if

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Speaker 3: you've got one, put Sheila in the garage tonight because

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Speaker 3: you don't want to be you don't want them coming around.

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Speaker 3: Don't want them coming around. Hey, speaking of cars, we're

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Speaker 3: going to have to talk about the best ads in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand because we've got the best ads in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand and a crime has been committed. Tina is not

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Speaker 3: number one. How is this a thing? So anyway, we'll

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Speaker 3: deal with that in the next half hour. News took

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Speaker 3: should be.

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Speaker 6: Big stories.

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Speaker 23: Big of the mother and son visiting from Sydney, which

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Speaker 23: charged one hundred and seventy bucks for a taxi from

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Speaker 23: the Coldplay concert thirteen kilometers.

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Speaker 22: This is why I catchee one of the taxi associations

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Speaker 22: said that you should be negotiating the price before you

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Speaker 22: jump in the care.

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Speaker 16: I like the idea that these researchers are floating that

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Speaker 16: if you get a speeding ticket, and if you keep

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Speaker 16: on speeding, you get a higher fine each time. I

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Speaker 16: would say that the finds themselves need to be way

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Speaker 16: higher from the start.

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Speaker 1: Every day you from every angle, News Talks av.

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Speaker 2: What's down, what were the major calls and how will

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Speaker 2: it affect the economy of the big business questions on

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Speaker 2: the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my Hr

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Speaker 2: on News.

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Speaker 1: Talks at b Evening.

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Speaker 3: Coming up in the next hour, Shane Soley is going

1444
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 3: to talk us through the Trump Trade. The Trump Trade

1445
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 3: is fascinating because it appears that the trade the markets

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Speaker 3: have given back some of the games immediately post the

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Speaker 3: US election. So we'll have the details for us. And

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Speaker 3: also there's a rumor going around that e New Zealand

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Speaker 3: may be regretting giving up that London route and maybe

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Speaker 3: going back to it. So we'll have a chat to

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Speaker 3: Jeff Thomas, aviation analyst after hulf Buss six and find

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Speaker 3: out what he says about that. Also, Paul Goldsmith is

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Speaker 3: going to be us very shortly. He's standing in for

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01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 3: Nicola Willis, who's on a plane to Antarctica. Like many

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Speaker 3: National Party MPs wish that they were at the moment,

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Speaker 3: just really quickly. Over in the States, this is the

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Speaker 3: kind of interest that they have in the Hukker right.

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Speaker 3: American talk show hosts are obsessed with US at the

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Speaker 3: best of times. Right, So naturally they went crazy about that. Huh.

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Speaker 3: Last week here's Jimmy Kimmel.

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Speaker 26: Things are very crazy here in the United States. But

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Speaker 26: if it makes you feel any better, and it did me,

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Speaker 26: this is how politics are going in New Zealand.

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Speaker 20: Deal.

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Speaker 3: This is what you had to say about it afterwards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, as far.

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Speaker 26: As protests go, that one was awesome. It really was,

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Speaker 26: and was way better than January sixth. Their protesters are

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Speaker 26: more talented than ours.

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Speaker 1: Hither due to Cela.

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll goals. Look as the Justice Minister and

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Speaker 3: Broadcasting Minister Paul, Hello, Hi, how are you? I'm very well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? Now is it true that your members are

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Speaker 3: already hitting you with emails upset you're not supporting the

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Speaker 3: Treaty Principals bill.

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Speaker 23: Well, we've got a lot of members and we've got

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Speaker 23: a lot of different opinions. There's some sending emails like that,

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Speaker 23: there's some saying, you know, move faster the killer off

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Speaker 23: the I mean there's a wide variety of views.

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Speaker 3: And how does it split so in support versus not

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Speaker 3: in support?

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Speaker 23: I don't know, I haven't counted, say probably more in support. Well,

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Speaker 23: it's apport Church party. I mean, we've got a wide

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Speaker 23: variety of views. But yeah, I mean I think people

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Speaker 23: I'm clearly very supportive of the National Party approach, which

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Speaker 23: is to say, well, this bill in particular crude way

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Speaker 23: to handle a delicate topic. But there are lots of

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Speaker 23: other things we're doing in this space, you know, absolutely

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Speaker 23: asserting well the importance of trying to you on a

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Speaker 23: treaty settlements, work our way through that process while never

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Speaker 23: losing sight of the normal expectations of people living in

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Speaker 23: the modern democracy.

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Speaker 3: Did you get em did you personally get emails?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I've got lots of emails.

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Speaker 3: How many did you get?

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Speaker 23: I don't know, I haven't counted. Do you want to

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Speaker 23: I get lots of you you can look again. I

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Speaker 23: don't sit at the end of the day and say, well,

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Speaker 23: I've got ninety three emails on the store.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so if something quite big is going on, if

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Speaker 3: I was inundated with emails and suddenly my box went

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Speaker 3: from having two hundred in a normal day to like

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Speaker 3: a thousand, I would see that there was quite a

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Speaker 3: swelling of the inbox. Is that what's going on with you?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 23: No, I honestly couldn't tell you. I mean if I

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Speaker 23: literally did that, I would do nothing else all day.

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Speaker 23: I mean that that's what I have an office to

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Speaker 23: work my way through. But yeah, look, there's a lot

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Speaker 23: of interest in this topic.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 18: Yes.

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Speaker 3: The reason I'm asking you about this is because that

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Speaker 3: email that you sent out on Thursday explaining to people

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Speaker 3: look like explaining is losing it Like it looks like

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01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 3: you guys are under massive pressure from your members.

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Speaker 23: No, look, I mean that's a that's a trite, a

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01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 23: journalistic phrase. Explaining is losing. Actually, what people wanted to

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Speaker 23: hear was what's our what's our thinking on this topic?

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Speaker 23: And I explained that and outlined it and explained why

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Speaker 23: we were doing what we're doing and what, you know,

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01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 23: what the other things were doing in the space. And

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01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 23: you know, it's a perfectly logical way of explaining a

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Speaker 23: policy position on a topic of the day.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And so when you sent out that email, did

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Speaker 3: people go oh, that makes perfect sense or did you

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01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 3: actually just get help with a flurry of emails thereafter

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01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,480
Speaker 3: people not happy with that explanation.

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Speaker 23: Well, again, you get a variety of opinions. Yes, a

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01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 23: lot of people say, well that's good. I mean, yes, yes, they.

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Speaker 3: Come down for the last show, Paul, I know that

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Speaker 3: that they're right on the money, that little variety. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: But that old variety of opinions thing is always what

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01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 3: you're trying to say is here we got a lot

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01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 3: of bad emails. Actually there were a few in support,

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Speaker 3: not that any.

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Speaker 23: No, no, no, no, I wouldn't say that at all.

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Speaker 23: I mean I mean I think, I mean, guys.

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Speaker 3: Are in trouble, Paul. You know that though Europe, you

1540
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 3: are in trouble on the spill because it was a

1541
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 3: bad idea to let it happen and then kill it off,

1542
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 3: like we've still got six months to go in the

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Speaker 3: Select Committee.

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Speaker 23: Well, I mean, I mean, I don't need to explain

1545
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 23: to you the mechanics of m MP. That is the

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01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 23: system that we're voted for as a country, and so

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01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,560
Speaker 23: we've got six parties in Parliament, and each six of

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01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 23: them have a slightly different view on a whole range

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Speaker 23: of issues.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you keep on.

1551
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 3: Blaming if you wanted, but nobody buys this anymore because

1552
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 3: it looks like poor leadership.

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Speaker 23: Well, but there's nothing I mean, it's a politics in

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01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 23: New Zealand is a numbers game. You have to get

1555
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 23: to sixty one to pass votes and to form a government.

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01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 23: To get to sixty one to form a government, you

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01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 23: have to anything that compromise, he says, though, well, we

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Speaker 23: certainly didn't, and they wanted to have a referendum. We

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01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 23: didn't agree to that. We agreed to introduce the bill.

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Speaker 23: Have a first reason. I'll tell you what are the concerns,

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Speaker 23: and we take it from there.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what you could have agreed to, what

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01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 3: the act party said, and then you could let the

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Speaker 3: thing run its course. But it's the killing in the

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01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 3: middle that's the problem for the Nats because you're not

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01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 3: satisfying anybody right. People who want to see this bill

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01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 3: taken to the end point and are going to be angry.

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Speaker 3: People who don't want to see the bill at all

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Speaker 3: are going to be angry. So who are you actually pleasing.

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Speaker 23: Well, it's a challenging topic. But I mean, I think

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Speaker 23: the issue is that people saw over the past six

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Speaker 23: years under Dern and her government that there were a

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Speaker 23: number of issues that people were concerned about in the space,

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Speaker 23: particularly around local government, voting rights and the Mari Health Authority.

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01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 23: And so I think it's absolutely a topic that people

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01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 23: are grappling with and it's not a simple one. And

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01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 23: that's a basic point I was making now. And of

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01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 23: course all the coverage focuses on the the more I

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01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 23: suppose dramatic comments, and that is a challenge that you

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01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 23: face in all issues like this, the moderate, kind of

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01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 23: careful considered viewpoint which says me up, yes we've got

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Speaker 23: an issue here. Absolutely, it's important to reinforce equality, democracy,

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Speaker 23: but also the unique elements of New Zealand and the

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Speaker 23: treaty relationship. You've got to work our way through this

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01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 23: issue by issue carefully. Yes, that doesn't get the same

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01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 23: deal of cut through in the press, but it's essential

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Speaker 23: and it's what you've got to do when you're dealing

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Speaker 23: with difficult topics.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Paul, you have you heard it all from Simon

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01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 3: Wat's over at COP twenty nine.

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Speaker 23: Well, I haven't talked to him personally, but he's over

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Speaker 23: there and he's doing good work working his way through

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Speaker 23: the issues.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because one of the big things they're deciding at

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01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 3: COP twenty nine is how much rich countries like ours

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Speaker 3: pay poor countries to cut emissions. How much are we

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01:13:59,479 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 3: prepared to pay?

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Speaker 23: Well, look, I don't have an exact figure in front

1599
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Speaker 23: of me, but you know where New Zealand is prepared

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Speaker 23: to be part of the global solution and to that's

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Speaker 23: going to be a hard sellers challenging numbers, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: How do you go to Kiwis right now who can

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01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 3: see that our health system is breaking and all the

1604
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 3: stuff is falling apart, and we're sliding into second world

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01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 3: status that we somehow have to stump up. Potentially a

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01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 3: share of one trillion dollars has to go to countries

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Speaker 3: like the Congo to help them when we can't even

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Speaker 3: help ourselves.

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Speaker 23: Well, look, yes it are, but I mean I think

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Speaker 23: the primary thing that we're focused on. I'm sure what

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01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 23: all your listeners want to hear is our unrolling plan

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01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 23: to actually get some growth back into this going tom

1613
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 23: and creates and well, that's the critical thing we can

1614
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 23: do right here, right now, and that's what we're really

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Speaker 23: focused on. And that's you know, that's what Nicola Willison

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01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 23: and Chris Luxen and everybody wakes up every morning is how,

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Speaker 23: you know, what can we do to get some growth?

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Speaker 23: And one of those fundamentals is getting the fast straight

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01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 23: legislation through, dealing with some of the regulation, giving tax relief.

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 23: Those are the sorts of things, getting inflation under control

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01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 23: so that interest rates can come down. Those are the

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Speaker 23: things that we're focused on. And that's the most important

1623
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 23: thing we forgot. We've really got to get the economy cracking.

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Speaker 23: And that's number one.

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01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 3: What did Google say to you a couple of weeks

1626
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 3: ago that made you cave on that bill?

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Speaker 25: Did not cave on?

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Speaker 23: There's no caving again.

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Speaker 3: Are you're being delivery.

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Speaker 21: Then?

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Speaker 3: Are you committed to the bill?

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Speaker 23: Well, we're working our way through the process. And what

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01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 23: we've got here is, you know, I always said right

1634
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 23: at the very start, this is a difficult issue because

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01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 23: what we're trying to grapple with is, uh, you know,

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Speaker 23: there's massive change going on in the media and you know,

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01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 23: all credit to you here and z B. You people

1638
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 23: are doing well. You're attracting audiences making money and that's great.

1639
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 23: Not all the areas of the media are doing so well,

1640
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 23: and some of that might be pure competition. That might

1641
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 23: be the factor in the recession. I mean, the most

1642
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 23: important thing we can do for commercial media right now

1643
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 23: to get the economy growing. Some people can spend more

1644
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 23: on advertising and I actually make some money. But the

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01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 23: broader issue of how you corral you know, it's one

1646
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 23: of the biggest companies in the world, and have a

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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 23: conversation around how that works is not straightforward and I'm

1648
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 23: working my way through it. But when I've got something

1649
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 23: to announce, you'll be the first to know.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to hold you to that. Paul, thank you

1651
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Speaker 3: very much, thank you for your time. That's Paul Goldsmith,

1652
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,919
Speaker 3: Justice Minister and Broadcasting Minister, seventeen past six.

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Speaker 2: Analysis from the experts bringing you everything you need to

1654
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 2: know on the US election. It's the Business Hour with

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Speaker 2: Heather dupic Allen and myrhr solution for busy SMEs used talks.

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Speaker 6: It'd be.

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Speaker 3: Heather, we should not be funding climate reduction for Third

1658
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Speaker 3: World China. This is an absolute joke, but that's what's

1659
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 3: going to happen, by the way, because China and China

1660
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 3: is a developing nation, so imagine that. Imagine if we

1661
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 3: are giving money to China because we're a rich country

1662
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Speaker 3: and they're not herether what Zealanders want to hear is

1663
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 3: that we're kicking the climate scam out. Enough is enough now.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a climate scam. I mean, I

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01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 3: think obviously we do. If what you mean is it's

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01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 3: a hoax. I don't believe that. There's obviously something happening

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Speaker 3: out there and it's human made. However, However, what I

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Speaker 3: would agree with is that New Zealanders are probably going

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01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 3: to get to a point very shortly where they're like, nah,

1670
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 3: not into this. I was talking to somebody who watches

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Speaker 3: energy very closely. I think actually it was this morning.

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Speaker 3: It's chatting to them this sphere this morning, and they said,

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01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 3: backlash is coming because it's getting too expensive, and it's

1674
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 3: going too the ambition is too high, and the Paris

1675
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 3: Agreement's not working, and at some point we're's gonna be

1676
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Speaker 3: like nah. And probably Trump will be the start of

1677
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Speaker 3: it because he's going to pull out. So watch that

1678
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 3: space when it happens. I don't know. Six twenty Shane

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Speaker 3: Soley Harbor asset management.

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Speaker 6: Is with us now.

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Speaker 3: Hey Shane, Hey, so Shane, the US markets have given

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01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 3: back some of the games since the election. Again, since

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01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 3: the election, when you think it's going to continue to

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01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 3: be choppy.

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Speaker 6: Well, look, we've seen last week the USCS and P five,

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Speaker 6: I know that's the board broad benchmark. We're down two percent.

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Speaker 6: Tech stocks they were down three percent. And it's all

1688
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 6: about seeing an unwind of this Trump trade, this losing steam.

1689
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 6: Federal Reserve came out and said we're not going to

1690
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 6: cut quite as fast as we thought. So the odds

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Speaker 6: of a cut from the US Fed back really back down.

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01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 6: Before last week eighty percent of a cup. Now they're

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Speaker 6: talking about fifty eight percent next month. So sermainly that's

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Speaker 6: taken some heat out and this initial you for around

1695
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 6: mister Trump's appointment are we've seen some people come to

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01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 6: the terms that there's a cost and that's possibly higher

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Speaker 6: fiscal spending, higher budget divisits, but more inflation. S Bonds,

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Speaker 6: particularly the US ten yure bonds goe right back up

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Speaker 6: to four point four percent. We saw that back in April.

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Speaker 6: So a lot of the team's coming out is it choppy? Well,

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01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 6: the last few months, the month sorry, last few months

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Speaker 6: of the year, I should say generally good for US markets.

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01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 6: But what we're seeing is earnings start to get cut

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01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 6: for the American market and the tektocks there the ones

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01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 6: that have been holding up. They were really weak late

1706
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 6: last week. But this is the broader market. Is this

1707
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 6: earnings momentum that's been driving the US market starting to

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01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 6: face some of the costs. So they were associated with

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01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 6: the provoking government come in. So yeah, there's a bit

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01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 6: of risk. It could be a bit choppy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what are you expecting. We've got our own Reserve

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01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 3: Bank review of the OC this month. What are you

1713
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 3: expecting there?

1714
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 6: Well, market's telling me they're expecting half a percent, So

1715
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 6: I'm going to go with what the market consists to say. So,

1716
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 6: you know, the lead indicators is justing confidence. Business confidences

1717
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 6: starting to come off a low base, but it is

1718
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 6: still really low. We are seeing inflation pressure continued to

1719
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 6: for war, so that the right backing is there for

1720
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Speaker 6: the RB and Z to continue to cut. Today we've

1721
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 6: said some slightly more positive data out of the b

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Speaker 6: Z business in z PSI and that's assumer that is,

1723
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Speaker 6: how are you feeling about what happens next? It was

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Speaker 6: up from up to forty six, up points through of percent,

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Speaker 6: so not a lot. Still below fifty and fifty years

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Speaker 6: above fifty. That means that economy is going to grow.

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01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 6: If it's below fifty, it's going to shrimp. So business

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01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 6: is still saying, hey, we're dealing with a slowdown. And

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Speaker 6: we also saw some inflation data out today, some producer

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Speaker 6: price data. I won't go into the detail, but basically

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Speaker 6: said businesses are unable to pass through all the cost increases.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, there's certainly a lead up for the RBUS

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Speaker 6: and to continue to cut. The surprise would be if

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Speaker 6: it was a quarter of three quarters of a percent

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Speaker 6: off its point seventy five percent, that would be a surprise.

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Speaker 6: But this is the last time before February next year

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Speaker 6: the Reserve Bank can make a statement they've got a

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Speaker 6: big break. So yeah, they passed the least regrets is

1739
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 6: what they're talking about. They want to keep some gas

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Speaker 6: in the tank just in case they have to fight

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01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 6: inflation more so, my guess is that'll be what they do.

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Speaker 6: Half a percent and we're going to keep someone in

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Speaker 6: the back pocket just in case.

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Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, anything come out of that. The

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01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 3: Fonterra and your shareholders meeting today.

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Speaker 6: Look, you know, Fontira, it's been a really good story.

1747
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 6: The company has done a great job of repositioning. They

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01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 6: reaffirmed their earnings full cast gave similar guidance between forty

1749
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 6: to sixty cents, but shere that's for the Fonterra Shielders foundations,

1750
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 6: and that compares to the market expectation of fifty three cents.

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01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 6: Stock was flat on the day, not bad. The board

1752
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 6: was just saying, hey, look we're seeing another year of

1753
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 6: state performance. We're focused on keeping the return on capital up.

1754
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 6: Have been battling to get the return on capital back

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01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 6: up to ten to twelve percent from nine to ten,

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01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 6: and they're saying, hey, we're going to keep on focusing

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01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 6: on investing for the future. Now. One of the things

1758
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 6: that people were watching for is if there's any update

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01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 6: on the sale of the global consumer business, and there

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01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 6: there was none other than to say the board was saying,

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01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 6: it's the right strategy, we're on track, we're doing the process,

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01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:25,879
Speaker 6: we're underway.

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Speaker 8: Just be patient.

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Speaker 6: So not new, but the confirmation untheless was pretty important

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Speaker 6: for the broad and New Zealand economy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant, So hey, Shane as always, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you in a week. That Shane solely

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Speaker 3: of harbor Asset Management is another text. Hither I voted

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Speaker 3: national for fifty plus years. They're voted to send the

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Speaker 3: Bill of Salit committee if they go into the committee

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01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 3: stages with the closed mind and do not consider any

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Speaker 3: submissions that may come in there as bad as labor,

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01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 3: and do not deserve any future vote. Yeah, six twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

1775
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 2: It's all on the Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Allen

1776
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 2: and my Hr the solutions for busy SMEs new stalks be.

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01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 3: Telling you the text keep coming in. Hither I'm a

1778
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 3: another National voter who will change to act blah blah blah,

1779
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 3: et cetera. So you know, I think they're in big trouble.

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01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 3: Hey listen. So the top ten ads tv ads of

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01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 3: the last quarter, last three months has been put out

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01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 3: and I do not agree. I know it's facts, and

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01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to agree with facts, but I don't agree

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01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 3: with this number one asb Ben and Amy. You know

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01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 3: it's that couple ad, you know, the I don't even

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01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 3: know how to describe it. Because it's so like it's

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01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,560
Speaker 3: just it's a youngish couple. Well whatever, I don't know

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01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 3: how that's number one, number two A and Z Shama family.

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01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 3: What even is that ad? I don't know what that

1790
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 3: add is? Three tucks feeding the Kiwis and all our dogs.

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Speaker 3: FO one news, Let's get one in Z, Let's get connected,

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01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 3: Then Genesis, then the stick Man ad, then the KFC

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01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 3: AD and then eight this ad which should be number one,

1794
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 3: sell us your Honda runder sas sell us your for

1795
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 3: how Tina at number eight down five places? Tina is

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01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 3: not only the best ad campaign to hit us since

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01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 3: what like the Big mac song? Right, remember that song

1798
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 3: where McDonald's didn't you know you know what I'm talking about?

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01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 3: That was the best one until this one came along.

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Speaker 3: And this one has basically helped to turn around the

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01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 3: fortunes of the Turners group. They are now like riding

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01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 3: high because this is so awesome? How did you put

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01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 3: it at number eight?

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01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 6: I'm doing it.

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01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: It's like.

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01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 3: That's what I do with those facts. Don't come at

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01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 3: me with nonsense like that on.

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01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:33,959
Speaker 15: This show.

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Speaker 3: Alternative facts. We love Donald Trump on the show, don't

1810
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 3: we Alternative facts? Tina's number one, just saying. Next up,

1811
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 3: let's talk about in New Zealand and whether they have

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01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,719
Speaker 3: major regrets over that London route that they KOed News took.

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01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:55,560
Speaker 2: Their beatday, everything from SME's to the big corporates, the

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Speaker 2: business hour, we've had, the dup of CLIs and my hr.

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01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 2: The h solution for busy smmys on news talks it be's.

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Speaker 14: Heather.

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Speaker 3: Those ad ratings you read out will be due to

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01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 3: the caliber of a few remaining people still watching TV.

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01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 3: That's probably fair. Do you know what the boss said

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01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 3: to me the other day? The boss has got a kids.

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01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 3: I want to say, like six and eight, maybe that

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01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 3: six and eight right about that give all take, you know,

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01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 3: give all take. But yeah, apparently the kids love watching

1824
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,560
Speaker 3: TV ads because they never get to see them. So

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01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 3: when the when, for whatever reason, if they're watching the

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01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 3: TV news, what a miserable thing to make children wash.

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01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 3: But if they are, and then it gets to the

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01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 3: ad breaks and you want to skip through as a parent, right,

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01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 3: you're logging the fast forward. The kid's like no, no, no, no, no,

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01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 3: they want to watch it because kids don't get to

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01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 3: see it anymore. I thought that was fascinating, And what

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Speaker 3: a PA because you actually think about how much of

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01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 3: the culture, the New Zealand culture, we absorbed as kids

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Speaker 3: through watching the TV as it was quite a lot.

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Speaker 3: There's a bit controversy going on, by the way in

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Speaker 3: the UK about the police cracking down on social media

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01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 3: posts because what's happened is they turned up at a

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01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 3: Telegraph writer's house because in the UK Telegraph, the paper

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01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 3: over there, turned up at one of the writers' houses

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01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 3: over something at writer's house over something that she said

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01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 3: on Twitter about a year ago. It's blown up now

1842
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's got involved said cops should focus on

1843
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 3: tackling violent crime and burglaries instead of questioning people over

1844
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 3: their social media posts and so on. So we'll chat

1845
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 3: to Gavin Gray will be of us in ten minutes time.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty two away from.

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Speaker 1: Seven Heather Duplessy Allen.

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Speaker 3: There are fresh rumors that Air New Zealand might be

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01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 3: eyeing up the New Zealand to London route again. Now

1850
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 3: you remember the airline ditched the LA London connection back

1851
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty and replaced it with the Auckland to

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01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 3: New York flight. But there are now reports that the

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01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 3: airline's been asking for a slot of Heathrow and hasn't

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01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 3: got it. Aviation analyst Jeff Thomas has been Hey.

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Speaker 22: Jeff, greetings, how are you very well? Thank you?

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Speaker 3: These roomors have been going on for a while. Ah

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01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 3: do you believe them?

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01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 22: Look absolutely, And in fact they have been granted slotted

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01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 22: Gatwick Airport, which, as listeners probably know, is the other

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01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 22: major airport in the London area to the south of

1861
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 22: London rather than to the west of London. And they've

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01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 22: been granted a daily slot from I think about June

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Speaker 22: next year. So yes, they've got the ability to relaunch

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Speaker 22: London services. But the question is which way do they go.

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01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 22: Do they go via America or do they go possibly

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01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 22: via Perth and Western Australia.

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01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 3: Which is the smarter way?

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01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 8: Do you think, well, it's.

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Speaker 22: Interesting, it's a good question. The American connection, and of

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01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,759
Speaker 22: course that I should also include Vancouver here. The American

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01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 22: connection has problems because you have to when you arrive,

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Speaker 22: you've got to go through customs and immigration as though

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01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,480
Speaker 22: you're entering America. Then you've got to go through security

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01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 22: to go back onto the aeroplane again, and it's a

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01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 22: very convoluted pain in the neck process which passengers don't

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01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 22: like at all and also holds up the aircraft and

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01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 22: causes all sorts of strife. Via Perth is a very

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01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 22: interesting dynamic because in New Zealand has just entered into

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01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 22: a new joint venture or a new alliance with Virgin Australia,

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01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 22: and Virgin Australia is already stretching its wings with a

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Speaker 22: deal with Katar to fly from Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Perth

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01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 22: to Doha using Qatar Airways, aircraft, crews and whatnot. It's

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01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,600
Speaker 22: called a wet lease. Now what could possibly happen is

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01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 22: you could have an Auckland Perth Perth London service and

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01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 22: the Perth London part of that would be a joint

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01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 22: venture with Virgin Australia tapping into all of Virgin's.

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Speaker 3: Noxw Hold on, are we sitting on a Virgin plane?

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01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 22: No, you're sitting on a New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Are we sitting on a Virgin plane for any of this?

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01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 21: No?

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01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 22: Well you're talking about a Virgin Yeah, a Virgin seven

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01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 22: three seven is not what Virgin used to run prior

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01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,640
Speaker 22: to COVID. They used to have Boeing Triple sevens and

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01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,759
Speaker 22: they were about the most luxurious Boeing Triple sevens around,

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01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 22: so they know how to do international really really well.

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Speaker 22: Not that Air New Zealand doesn't, because they do it

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01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 22: really really well as well. But no, it would be

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01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 22: it would be an Air New Zealand flight, but it

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Speaker 22: would be a code share with Virgin, therefore pulling in

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Speaker 22: traffic from Perth and Adelaide and other places around Western Australia.

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01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 3: But does this sugget the fact that that apparently in

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01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 3: New Zealand is still trying to get into Heathrow. Does

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01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 3: this suggest to you that they are actually regretting pulling out.

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01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:39,759
Speaker 22: Well, it's a good question. At the time they needed

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01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 22: the money. The London Service was giving them grief. I

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01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 22: knew that because they were. They actually canceled it quite

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01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 22: some time before COVID and then they let it run out.

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01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 22: It was causing them trouble. They did have the wrong

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01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 22: aeroplane for it was probably too big, so with the

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01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 22: seven eight seven it's more economical and it's smaller, so

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Speaker 22: therefore you haven't got as many seats to fill, so

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Speaker 22: there are equipment issues here. Yeah, and also I think

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Speaker 22: a routing via Perth, Australia would eliminate the US problem,

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Speaker 22: which also was an irritation for passengers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that might work, Jeff, thanks for talking us

1916
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Speaker 3: through it to appreciate it. Jeff Thomas, aviation analyst in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, by the way, is not confirming anything, but

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Speaker 3: they're also not denying anything. They just say it's not

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01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 3: uncommon for airlines to apply for slots and new airports

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01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 3: as part of this network review process. And if I

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01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 3: was being cynical, which i am, I would say that, yeah,

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01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 3: it's all true. They're not denying it. Now listen this

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Speaker 3: taxi business. Okay, so you will have seen there's been

1924
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 3: a bit of a bruhh about the taxi situation because

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01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 3: a pensioner and her husband, she's sixty eight. She and

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01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 3: her husband from down in Central Otago came up to

1927
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 3: Auckland last week and they were going to the The

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Speaker 3: They Will also, which has always been the worst band

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Speaker 3: name in the history of the world, isn't it the

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Speaker 3: And then they were going to Cold Play as well. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: after the the which was at the Altier Center, I

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Speaker 3: think it was at the It was around about the

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Speaker 3: Altier Square or somewhere like that. So central Auckland, top

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Speaker 3: of Queen Street. They then wanted to catch a cab

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Speaker 3: down to mart Roskell, and they got into the cab

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Speaker 3: and the twenty minute ride worked out at one hundred

1937
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Speaker 3: and sixty dollars. Now I am sorry for the couple

1938
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Speaker 3: because that would have been a shock to them. That's

1939
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Speaker 3: not unusual, and that's that is. This is why you

1940
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Speaker 3: catch an uber, if you'll drive, if you're in the city.

1941
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Speaker 3: Now I have some sympathy for them because this is

1942
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Speaker 3: what happens to me all the time as I come

1943
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Speaker 3: out of the Eden Park going to a concert or

1944
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Speaker 3: the Mount Smart or something coming out of a concert,

1945
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Speaker 3: and you knows I'm part of the concert club. So

1946
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Speaker 3: I do this all the time. And what I find

1947
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Speaker 3: is it is impossible to get a hold of an uber.

1948
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Speaker 27: Right.

1949
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Speaker 3: If you get one, you're very very lucky, But for

1950
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Speaker 3: the most part, you can't. And so what you do

1951
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Speaker 3: is then you then decide, do I, at thirty weeks pregnant,

1952
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Speaker 3: walk all the way home, which I can do, but

1953
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Speaker 3: it will take me two hours.

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Speaker 25: Do I do that?

1955
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Speaker 3: Or do I pay for a cab? And it always

1956
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Speaker 3: pay for the cab, And the cab costs me seventy

1957
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Speaker 3: dollars and it rips my undies because it's honestly a

1958
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Speaker 3: ten dollar Uber ride, right, And it's just it's a

1959
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Speaker 3: ten minute it's less than a ten minute drive up

1960
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Speaker 3: the road. But I pay for the cab because I go,

1961
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Speaker 3: this is this is a supply and demand. It's very,

1962
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Speaker 3: very busy. I ask the cab how much you're going

1963
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Speaker 3: to charge me to take me to Whoop, and they go,

1964
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Speaker 3: it's going to cost you seventy bucks, And I go, okay, fine,

1965
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Speaker 3: and I get in. So ten minute ride for me

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Speaker 3: seventy bucks, twenty minute ride for them one hundred and

1967
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Speaker 3: sixty dollars. It's a round about where it sits. And

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Speaker 3: so the only way around this, as far as I

1969
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Speaker 3: can see, is that you, if you're leaving a concert,

1970
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Speaker 3: either leave before everybody and get an uber, or you leave,

1971
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Speaker 3: you wait, go have a drink, and then you leave

1972
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Speaker 3: after everybody and then you get the uber. That's the

1973
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Speaker 3: only way around it. But one hundred and sixty dollars

1974
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Speaker 3: to go twenty minutes post a concert where there are

1975
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Speaker 3: heaps and heaps of people, unfortunately, is just that's life. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

1978
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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with hither duper c all and my

1979
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Speaker 2: HR the HR solution for busy smys on Newstalk n

1980
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Speaker 2: kicks from an uber driver.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to read you in a minute about this

1982
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Speaker 3: as well. Thirteen Away from seven Gavin Gray, UK correspondent

1983
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Speaker 3: with me hey, Gevin, Hi there now interesting that keirstarm

1984
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Speaker 3: has got involved in the social media via the police thing,

1985
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Speaker 3: isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 27: I think it's one of these things that he's on

1988
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Speaker 27: the plane on the way to the G twenty summit

1989
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Speaker 27: to meet President she and others, and you know, all

1990
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Speaker 27: the journalists ask you about what's in the news and

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Speaker 27: what's he going to say to she and what's been

1992
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Speaker 27: in the news here?

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Speaker 10: Is that?

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Speaker 27: A Daily Telegraph journalist, now the Daily Telegraph is a

1995
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Speaker 27: rite of center newspaper, in other words, is probably not

1996
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Speaker 27: a great support of the Prime minister. A Daily Telegraph

1997
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Speaker 27: journalist was questioned on Remembrance Sunday. Her doorbell went at

1998
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Speaker 27: home in the evening and she was questioned about a

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Speaker 27: social media post from one year ago. And plenty of

2000
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Speaker 27: people saying, look what are the police doing with their time?

2001
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Speaker 27: We told there aren't enough police to investigate burglaries and

2002
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Speaker 27: they always seem stretched, and yet here they are complaining,

2003
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Speaker 27: you know, going to seek out somebody who said something

2004
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Speaker 27: which somebody else might have been offended by over a

2005
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Speaker 27: year ago. The Prime Minister said, this is a matter

2006
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Speaker 27: for the police. The police, by police do this. But

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Speaker 27: he said obviously with a review going on about social

2008
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Speaker 27: media as a general principally said the police should concentrate

2009
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Speaker 27: on what matters most of their communities. Well, let me

2010
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Speaker 27: assure you that for most people I know, in fact,

2011
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Speaker 27: for everyone I know, that isn't spending police time going

2012
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Speaker 27: to question a woman about a social media post a

2013
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Speaker 27: year ago. It is instead trying to tackle crime on

2014
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Speaker 27: the streets and burglaries and muggings and things like that.

2015
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Speaker 27: And indeed, it's interesting that the police have requested this journalist,

2016
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Speaker 27: Alison Pearson, to attend a voluntary interview, and she says,

2017
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Speaker 27: quite frankly, I'm minded to do it, but with a

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Speaker 27: legal representative.

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Speaker 3: Tell me, Kevin, why is it that the cops are

2020
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Speaker 3: going so had on social media? Because I'm even thinking about,

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Speaker 3: you know, during the protests that you guys had recently

2022
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 3: or whatever the incident was, and people were saying things

2023
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Speaker 3: about blowing up mosques and they were going to jail

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Speaker 3: for like longer than people who'd actually committed crimes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 27: I think this is something actually that although this government

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Speaker 27: might deny it, I think this is something that this

2028
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Speaker 27: government is really pushing. They are trying to sort of

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Speaker 27: get rid of any thing that might be deemed to

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Speaker 27: be discriminatory to any way, shape or form, or insulting

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Speaker 27: or inciting any particular acts. And so consequently, Yeah, plenty

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Speaker 27: of people believe that free speech, particularly on social media,

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Speaker 27: has really been cut back. And in a number of

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Speaker 27: times I hear somebody say something and then say, of

2035
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Speaker 27: course you I shouldn't really be saying that.

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Speaker 25: And you think, well, actually that's your opinion. You know,

2037
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Speaker 25: you're entitled to an opinion, but it would have seemed

2038
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Speaker 25: not so so much on social media.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Hey, why is the Pope getting involved in the

2040
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Speaker 3: gaza situation?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, very interesting.

2042
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Speaker 27: This The Pope's got a book of letters is coming

2043
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Speaker 27: out in which the Pope's work is part of that.

2044
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Speaker 27: It's been partly published by the Italian newspaper A Stamper.

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Speaker 27: The book is coming out tomorrow and in that there

2046
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Speaker 27: are some bits from Pope Francis, and the excerpt that

2047
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Speaker 27: we have from this is that he said there should

2048
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Speaker 27: be an investigation on whether Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.

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Speaker 27: The head of the Catholic Church said, and I quote,

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Speaker 27: according to some experts what is happening in Gaza has

2051
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Speaker 27: the characteristics of genocide, and the eighty seven year old continues,

2052
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Speaker 27: we should investigate carefully to determine whether it fits into

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Speaker 27: the technical definition formulated by juris and international bodies. So

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Speaker 27: this is quite an outspoken thing. Obviously, normally the church

2055
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 27: tends not to comment on world politics and one thing

2056
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Speaker 27: on another and I think obviously will rub up the

2057
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Speaker 27: wrong way some from other faiths around the world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, Devin, as always, thank you. We'll have a

2059
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Speaker 3: chat to you in a couple of days. Again, look

2060
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Speaker 3: after yourself. As Scavin Gray, UK correspondent, this is the

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Speaker 3: Uber driver's text, Heather. Even Uber is expensive. Uber increased

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Speaker 3: their fare substantially after concerts. They would not have been

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Speaker 3: any cheaper. Well, I went and had a look and

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Speaker 3: actually after the Travis Scott concert, which was it was

2065
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 3: not as big as Coldplay, but it was reasonably big.

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Speaker 3: After the Travis Scott concert, I called an uber for

2067
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Speaker 3: some reason was very lucky. Oh no, that's right, because

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Speaker 3: the concert sucked. So we left early. We exactly what

2069
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Speaker 3: I was saying you have to do. We left early

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Speaker 3: and it cost me sixteen dollars as opposed to seventy

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Speaker 3: dollars with a taxi. But it's not a fair comparison

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Speaker 3: because I left early. But that's quite a margin. Like

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01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 3: that's quite see the ego, you either leave early or

2074
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 3: you leave late, but you do not leave at the

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Speaker 3: same time as everybody else. Eight away from seven, Getting ready.

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Speaker 1: For a new administration in the US, What will be

2077
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 1: the impact?

2078
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Speaker 2: It's The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my

2079
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 2: HR the HR solution for busy SMEs.

2080
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Speaker 3: Six away from seven. I've got an email from you

2081
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Speaker 3: know how we were talking to Paul Goldsmith before about

2082
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 3: whether he got any emails in his email and box

2083
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 3: about the treated principal's bill. Mark has very kindly sent

2084
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 3: me one of the emails that he sent Paul Goldsmith,

2085
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 3: and this was sent on Friday. It been reported that

2086
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 3: National got slammed with all these emails from National Party

2087
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 3: supporters on Thursday night before midnight, but this one came

2088
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:27,839
Speaker 3: in nine am on Friday, so it didn't stop there anyway.

2089
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Speaker 3: Mark's written, Hi, Paul, the problem with your approach is

2090
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 3: that you're leaving the outcomes of negotiations up to the judiciary.

2091
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 3: There are far too many radical judges. There is a

2092
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 3: reason laws are written in English. It's not open to interpretation,

2093
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. National needs to look

2094
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 3: at what happened in the last American elections. The common

2095
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 3: man is fed up with experts, academics and socialist governments

2096
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 3: taking from them and giving it away to elites where

2097
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 3: over it. You guys need to get with the program.

2098
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 3: You're out of touch now. It's interesting that Mark has

2099
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 3: said that, because I was reflecting in the last twenty

2100
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,719
Speaker 3: four hours is that this does feel very similar vibes

2101
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 3: to the American election, and very similar vibes to, for example,

2102
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Speaker 3: Brexit back in twenty sixteen, because you've got a lot

2103
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 3: of really cool people at the moment coming out and

2104
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 3: being like, well the heckoy whoa got Lord Lord loves

2105
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 3: the he coy. You've got Chris Martin from cold Play,

2106
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 3: you know, like obviously huge, I mean, never met someone

2107
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 3: who knows more about the Treaty principles than Chris Martin

2108
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 3: from cold Play. I mean, the guy is just like steeped,

2109
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 3: like honestly, he could name them all. He's read every

2110
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 3: single every single document there is to read about the Treaty.

2111
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Speaker 3: He knows everything about it. He said, he likes the

2112
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 3: he coy, he likes it so good. So that Jason

2113
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 3: Momour also also hugely, hugely like academic when it comes

2114
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 3: to Treaty principles all over it, Like you should listen

2115
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 3: to him. Then you've got all of these people who

2116
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 3: we would So you've got the cool people. And don't

2117
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 3: forget Stan Walker who's going to be there tomorrow singing

2118
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 3: as well. So we've got a whole bunch of really

2119
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 3: cool like celebrities. And then we've also got the so

2120
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,799
Speaker 3: called elites. Right, You've got a former Prime Minister Jenny Shipley,

2121
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 3: You've got Chris fin Layson, You've got all these commentators,

2122
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 3: all these judges, the k c's and all these things.

2123
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 3: You basically got exactly the same vibe as with Kamala Harris,

2124
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 3: who had all of the celebrities and all the cool

2125
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:20,680
Speaker 3: people in Washington supporting her, Exactly the same vibe as

2126
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 3: Brexit got all the cool people, including Chris Martin pro

2127
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 3: pro staying with the EU, and all the you know,

2128
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 3: all the elites and stuff, and I just wonder if

2129
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 3: the outcome isn't much the same as well, where you

2130
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 3: got all the celebrities and the elite saying you should

2131
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 3: do this thing, and then the people, people like normal people,

2132
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 3: go nah, and they do the opposite. Vote for Brexit,

2133
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,680
Speaker 3: vote for Donald Trump, love the Treaty principals Bill. I'm

2134
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 3: just wondering if it ends in the same way as.

2135
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Speaker 4: I tell you what I'm wondering. I wonder if that

2136
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 4: email is the first time Paul Goldsmith's ever been called

2137
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 4: a socialist or accused of being a socialist. I imagine

2138
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Speaker 4: it's not one that he gets from the Green play. Yeah, yeah,

2139
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 4: there you go, slow emotion replay by the to play

2140
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 4: us out to. You may have to pay for an

2141
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 4: expensive taxi ride afterwards, but at least you can listen

2142
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 4: to the gig first. I hope that couple had fun.

2143
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Speaker 3: I mean, would you agree with me? Is there a

2144
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 3: worse band name?

2145
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 4: It's great for confusing headline riders.

2146
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,679
Speaker 3: I'm sure because I looked at them when they said pinsion.

2147
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 3: A couple from small central Otago town went to the

2148
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Speaker 3: the and coldplake. I was like you not even you

2149
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Speaker 3: not sub this before you pressed send on your article. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: good points. Okay, see you tomorrow.

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